Eighth District mayor József Csécsi on Thursday asked the far right Jobbik party to cancel its candlelight demonstration on Vas utca set for this evening. The demonstration – styled as a protest against “Gypsy crime” – is a response to the accidental killing of an 18-year-old boy last Friday by a 17-year-old Roma training to be a boxer.
The district council voted unanimously on Wednesday evening for a statement expressing appreciation of the tradition built on the harmonious coexistence of majority residents and ethnic minorities and rejecting any party, or group that professes extremist principles.
Budapest mayor Gábor Demszky asked all political parties in the city to take a united stand against Magyar Gárda, whose activity is “directed against religious and ethnic minorities.”
this scumbag rag wuold call it an accident
I believe the Police is calling it “accidental killing” until the autopsy can find any reason for the 18-year-old boy’s death.
Normally, if the victim had a problem that would cause him/her to die due to moderate violence, it will not be seen as murder or manslaughter. It is only murder if the perpetrator had intention to kill his victim. Manslaughter covers all other cases when the perpetrator should have realized that the violence could cause the death of the victim.
You do not watch CSI?
I didn’t notice this until now: “The district council voted unanimously on Wednesday evening for a statement expressing appreciation of the tradition built on the harmonious coexistence of majority residents and ethnic minorities…” What a hoot.
Of course, but that is what politicians do.
Nowadays even Istvan Tarlos makes similar statements. He blames Jobbik that he lost the local elections 2006 in Budapest, so he has learned the hard way that “if you cannot beat them – join them” is not always a good idea.
Viktor Orban has still not learnt that though and he will look forward to the upcoming March 15-riots.
Here is another example of countryside residents where Gypsies are terrorizing and Killing Hungarians, why isn’t this news presented on Politics.hu Erik? Ohh! that’s right it’s not politically incorrect!! You Tosser!! And you wonder why Jobbik is growing in popularity..
Police have arrested three gypsies for brutally killing a 77 year old man in his own garden. Two gypsies (18 and 19 years old) entered into the property of the victim, in the middle of the night; when the owner came out of the house, they beat him until he showed no signs of life.
The murderers then searched the house and taken, eggs, frozen chickens and a gas canister. There were two girls (18 and 13 years old) with the murderers that didn’t participate in the assault but waiting outside of the property, possibly watching. The 18 years old girl was arrested and the minor was released.
Police dog followed the hot leads, stopping right in front of the house where the crime family lived. After a house search, police recovered bloody clothing and shoes, they suspect to belong to the culprits.
According to police, the criminals are part of a 12 member family unit, from which three serving time for serious crimes; one of them for armed robbery and one for attempted murder.
The victim was known in the community, as a charitable person, often helping the less fortunate in the neighbourhood.
Hungarian Ambiance
Politically incorrect !! was sarcasim for those who are English Scholars
@Lawless:
If you would have looked to the top of this page: It says politics.hu and not crime.hu or even gypsycrime.hu!
You are totally free to start a site with one pf these names – but I think there would be too much overlap with Hun-shittance.hu, still, why don’t you give it a try …
Some of the readers here might even visit your site to have a good laugh now and then …
Since you seem to be a successful man costs surely wouldn’t matter – any way you might ask for some aid by the other jobos here.
Good riddance!
@ Wolfi;
You are right, this is politics.hu and not crime.hu or gypsiecrime.hu (which according to you does not exist). That being said, the door was opened when politics decided print an article on a crime in which a Hungarian was “accidentally” murdered. So really, Law makes a very valid point in other “gypsie crimes” not being posted on this site. Why aren’t they?
@ Viking;
Acutally, Ploice will not tend to comment on a crime whether it was an “accident” or a “murder” until an autopsy has been completed. The press release that the Police should have given, in my opinion, “18 years old boy dies after mock boxing match, later in the week an autopsy will be completed to determine cause of death” or what ever the scenario was. That’s what normally happens. When you make a press release and say ” accidental death to 18 year old boy by Roma training to be boxer” You right away get people feeling justifiably defensive, which leads to the imprestion that they are being tartgeted, which leads to not feeling safe in your own home/country, which then leads to groups like the Magyar Guarda. But of course you don’t understand this, because you don’t want to. CSI…moron.
So who’s the new Law? The one who posted a comment right after the real Law, with the line under his name?
Thanks justasking for mentioning this, then I have been thinking about this case and the verdict came out some months ago, or rather many.
*This* is the case Mark loves to speak about that ‘Roma can kill Hungarians and get away with it’.
The autopsy could not exactly decide what the 18-year old victim died of to such a degree that the ’17-year-old Roma training to be a boxer’ could be proven to have killed him deliberately.
It was seen more as an accident in that sense.
This is *the* case Mark is referring to over and over again.
Remember that the 18-year old victim did not die on the scene.
The 18-year old victim could travel home and was taken to hospital some time afterwards, so any links to the 24 year old professional soldier (aka Madrid Metro Killer), who stabbed a 16 year old boy directly in the heart, would be a bit misguided. 16 year old Carlos died inside a few minutes on the scene.
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What a court need to evaluate are among other things the following:
* What actual happened (knife or boxing),
* The effect of the violence could be noticed immediately or proven later,
* Which intent did the perpetrator express (did he scream ‘I will kill you all!’),
* Was it planned or in the heat of the moment,
* Other circumstances like provocations, hate-crime, etc
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For any one losing a loved one the verdict can always be seen as to insufficient then it will never give back what was lost. That is though out of scope of any court in the world.
@ Viking;
What a cold and calculated post. When exactly, does “fact and truth” have anything to do with one another?
Since you are such a CSI fan, you know dam well, that head injuries, can infact have delayed results. Meaning, a person gets hit in the head, brain starts to swell, presure builds, boom dead. It is also possible to have a head impact say noon and not die until 4:00pm.
Remember the actress Natasha Richardson? She was skiing, fell, hit her head and died about 5-6 hrs later. Why? Because a brain scan was not done right away to detect the brain swelling. Why? Because she just thought that she had a “headache” from the bump and didn’t want to see a Dr.
As for the autopsy being inconclusive…bullshit. Unless it was done by a Coroner who just graduated and did not know what too look for. OR by an experienced Coroner who was told what not to look for.
This case, from what you have explained to me, stinks to high Heaven. Justice, my ass.
As for the autopsy being inconclusive…bullshit
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This case, from what you have explained to me, stinks to high Heaven. Justice, my ass.
justasking at January 20, 2010 9:21 PM
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Read my sentence again:
“The autopsy could not exactly decide what the 18-year old victim died of to such a degree that the ’17-year-old Roma training to be a boxer’ could be proven to have killed him deliberately”
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The last part relates to your statement.
Because everyone could walk away from the scene and for a rather long time be alive, it is not clear *which* blow killed him.
Benefit of doubt means here that the victim was walking around and *could* have fallen and at that time got the fatal brain injury.
The victim could even have been attacked by some one else in between.
There were no witnesses that could testify different.
This is the reason why the sentence was ‘accidental killing’ and not manslaughter or even homocide.
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In Jobbik’s world of Justice, because the accused was non-Hungarian, he should have got life in prison, or more.
On the other hand, in the Madrid-case, the convicted killer should have been declared not guilty due to he was afraid of the other people and therefore had a right to kill.
For me this is not a Blind Justice, this is race/ethnicity/political opinion of the victim/perpetrator that should decide the outcome.
@ Viking;
You have got to be kidding me. Yes, I did read what you wrote, did YOU understand what you wrote?I get that it’s late in Hungary and your tired, I’ll even give cut you some slack knowing that English is a second language to you. So lets try this again.
What you wrote was complete and utter BULLSHIT!!!
The Coroner is responsible ONLY for determining the CAUSE of death. Are you with me so far Spanky? It is not up to the Coroner to DETERMIN with what INTENT the fatal blow was delivered. Now do you understand?
Now, you are saying that it was ruled accidental killing (whatever that means) because there exists, extenuating circumstances that could have caused the fatal blow. Well lets look at those.
1) Usually when a person gets repeated shots to the head, it does tend to make one dizzy, hence the fall. 2) Other people could have attacked the boy delivering the fatal blow. Okay, again the Hungarian boy was placed in a very vulnerable position by being beat up by the Roma kid, making him an easy target for another thug. 3) NO witnesses. Well than how did they come across the Roma kid in the first place if there were no witnesses?
The only thing that you have succeeded in doing here was proving that this death was anything but accidental. That Roma kid did have some responsiblity in this death, manslaughter at the very least. But to lable it an “accidental killing”, come on, surely even you see how ridiculous that is.
The Coroner is responsible ONLY for determining the CAUSE of death. Are you with me so far Spanky? It is not up to the Coroner to DETERMIN with what INTENT the fatal blow was delivered
justasking at January 21, 2010 12:06 AM
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Correct, that is the Court that determines
- the actual happening (as much can be reconstructed),
- the intent,
- the verdict.
In doing this, evaluating the different pieces of evidence the Court came to the decision that it was not the intent to kill the victim.
It could neither be proven, without the benefit of doubt, that the accused *had* caused the fatal injury. Hence the lesser verdict.
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Take another well-known case Daniel Wretström, the Swedish guy Law referred to earlier. His killer could be charged with murder, then the autopsy showed that the fatal wound, which was directly killing Daniel, was the knife in the neck.
Hence there was only one convicted murderer and the others involved got sentenced for assault of various degrees.
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This is how it works in Europe, you need normally to prove which individual did what, which act was the act of actual killing the victim.
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You have the latest riots in the London also.
A Police Officer pushes a protester in his 50s and minutes later that man dies on the sidewalk by a heart-attack.
Did the Police Officer kill him or not?
The push was rather hard and not according to Police Instructions.
The victim had a history of heart-problems.
Some people call it murder, most people bad luck.
@ Viking;
Fine, what punishement, if any, did this Roma kid receive? Was he held at all responsible for his actions that resulted in the death of this 18 year old boy?
@justwhining:
°the accidental killing of an 18-year-old boy last Friday°
Maybe you should have read this news – do you think justice here in Hungary is so quick that the “killer” should have been sentenced already ?
Have you read too many westerns and believe in lynching – or like Lawless writes “string him up a tree” ?
@ Wolfi the German with the fat hairy ass;
Why don’t you just piss up a rope and suck the wet end, huh?
I read a thread and made a comment on it. End of story. My observations were made in a general context and not case specific. Are you following me so far dumbass?
If I were to have the complete story, I would respond accordingly. But since I do not, I can only comment on what has been offer to me by Viking.
So why don’t you make yourself useful and tell me the ENTIRE story if you have an issue with what has been transpiring so far?
And just so you know, I’m not into Westerns, Romantic Comedies yes…but Louis L’amour , no.
Anyone falling for wolfie’s provocations is making a mistake. He is not a German. He is a Jew. He is not only a Jew but also the slimiest Jew there is. If wolfie or slime like wolfie can get anyone else to react improperly to his provocations, he and slime such as him will consider it a victory. I would not oblige them.
Gipsy crime is crushing Hungary and causing untold misery to millions of Hungarians, mostly old defenseless Hungarians:
Oroszlány eddig is rettegett a gyilkos roma fiataloktól
http://www.magyarhirlap.hu/hirvilag/oroszlany_eddig_is_rettegett_a_gyilkos_roma_fiataloktol_.html
Unfortunately, calling wolfie a “German with the fat hairy ass” (he is not German) will not solve the gypsy crime problem. Only new and appropriate laws and strong law enforcement advocated by Jobbik will.
Hi Mark and Z
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Until i moved to Hungary and actually expereinced living here my awareness of Gypsy crime was highlighted. The people who are rejecting the crime are living in La La land.
And Z the link on my name with Hungarian Ambiance is the real Law..
What was that Sol or Soul of the singer? the one with the funny vocals on youtube
what punishement, if any, did this Roma kid receive? Was he held at all responsible for his actions that resulted in the death of this 18 year old boy?
justasking at January 21, 2010 2:59 AM
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1st two observations about your previous post:
* Your question is what most people would call ‘a leading one’:
“Was he held at all responsible for his actions that resulted in the death of this 18 year old boy?”
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* Also, in what sense for the verdict was it important the the accused was Roma?
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This is an old case, it happened on January 10 2008 and the sentencing was some weeks ago, as can be seen by this link in Hungarian:
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http://www.blikk.hu/blikk_cikkhozzaszolas/?cid=2006856
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In English this reads (my translation):
2009-12-17 15:52:56
Today the young man who killed a fellow student school in Budapest on 10 January, 2008, K. Rajmundra (20) was sentenced to one year in juvenile prison and four years suspended on probation, by the Municipal Court.
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This is the verdict that Mark has been using as *the* case how ‘gypsies can kill Hungarians without any punishment’.
To take a case like this, where the legal issues are not a clear-cut murder, and making it into a murder is just making politics out of an unfortunate situation.
It can never be murder with these circumstances, if proper procedures are followed.
The problem with Mark’s ilk, is that they want 2 set of standards, one for his ilk, another much harder for the rest.
Justice is suppose to be blind for *who* the accused is
I knew it was something wrong with that translation.
It should probably more read:
“Today the young man who killed a fellow student school in Budapest on 10 January, 2008, K. Rajmundra (20) was sentenced to one year in juvenile prison, four years suspended on probation, by the Municipal Court”
It was an ‘and’ that slipped in there in the end.
@ Law;
Why don’t you move a little closer to your monitor so that I reach through and beat you over the head with my shoe! Next time I would welcome a heads up.
And he does not have funny sounding vocals, you just do not seem to appreciate his sultry sound.
Z
@ Mark;
Your right, commenting on Wolfie’s less then attractive body part, accomplishes nothing. I will try and contain myself in future where he is concerned. The operative word being try.
@MaurkyMark and the other (expletive deleted):
The way that you’re reacting shows a lot …
Do you ever look into a mirror ?
Hi Z
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Ok! OK! lesson learnt, but he still has a funny voice
@ Law;
See, that’s where your wrong, maybe if you pick out the Vegemite from your ears and listen again, it will all fall into place:)))
You asked me on another thread if I had any Aha! moments since I started on this site months ago. Not really Aha, as much as “Okay, so this is how it is”. You know, I would really need you to ask a question that is more specific, rather than one so general. If that makes sense, so that I can “understand” what it is you are wanting to know.
Z
Gipsy crime is crushing Hungary and causing untold misery to millions of Hungarians, mostly old defenseless Hungarians
Mark at January 21, 2010 8:48 AM
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Mark did of course not link to the statement done by the local Roma Minority Council.
Not only ‘Hungarians’ are afraid of this family, that recently moved into the area.
Even the about 200 resident Roma population has earlier complained about their new ‘neighbours from Hell’ and have felt threatened by them.
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http://mno.hu/portal/689535
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So Mark, on his Jobbik-mission, take every chance to skew the reality so it fits the ‘Jobbik Belief System’.
Reality, that there exists very bad people here and there, is made into a question of race, were some of the victims are double-victimized.
First because they are victims as their non-Roma neighbours.
Secondly then they are accused by racists as Mark and his ilk, to be the same type as their ‘neighbours from Hell’.
A lose-lose situation for the Roma.
It has been my experience that foul language is typical and expected of “them”. Most of us hardly react to the flood of filth from “people” like “them” but it is immediately noticed and criticized when one of us uses foul language. There was a time when I was bothered by this, yet another example of double standard but learned to live with it. It was a gradual progress and recognition of how we see “them” and how we make allowances for “them” that we do not make for ourselves. It actually makes me feel better that we are not like “them”. More often than not, that is how I pick “them” out…
I think Law can back me up that on patriotic lists there is hardly ever a word posted that could not be spoken in proper company. The reason for that, I suspect is that many Jobbik and Magyar Garda people are deeply religious.
@Mark: We all know your Hungarian is appalling, why underline it with statements like that? Sample from one of your approved websites (hunhir.hu)
“Te vén botokszos kurva ! Az apád szünt volna meg hatvan évvel ezelőtt,vagy húzott volna a micsodájára kotont,hogy te azóta is csak a gerincvelőjébe lifteznél bazdmeg! Ki kíváncsi arra a mocsadék fejedre,és véleményedre,te hazaáruló szajha! Most megint öngólt lőttél ráncospinájú! És a Jobbik nevét a pofádra ne vedd,mert te leszel az első,aki lógni fog az oktogonon!!”
And appealing to Law to back you up on your vacuous assertions?
You do have the advantage on Barikád.hu and other sites, as Erik has pointed out, that you don’t allow comments.
@Vandorlo
I just talked about your tactic to provoke by pretending to be something you are not. You “people” infiltrate lists and try to bust them up with whatever means. Using foul language is one of your favorite specialties and using foul language pretending that you are Jobbik supporters must be one of your favorites. I see that all the time. The filth you just posted could not have come from Jobbik. It is from one of yours pretending to be a Jobbik supporter.
Barikad is right not to allow comments because they would be exposed to infiltrators who would turn the site into a garbage dump. The lists I frequent are closed patriotic lists, by invitation only and they do not need your kind. Erik could limit his list only to Hungarian hating Communists but it would be counterproductive. Hardly anyone bothers with Balogh’s list. I for my own part do not intend to drag the list into the gutter with disgusting filth. If the list goes there, it will be your people’s doing.
@Mark: Nyugszik a beteg! Ok, then put a leash on Law and tell him to clean up his act. We’ll follow your lead.
@Vandorlo
Just as the post you pasted here is not from a Jobbik supporter some of Law’s alleged posts are also forgeries. I was the one who spoke up when I saw one I found objectionable. I know Law, Law is my friend and I know that he does not post filth.
Don’t waste your time Vandorloo , I been around long enough to see your tactics.
It’s clear to me where you stand and I’m not wasting
my time debating with anti-Hungarians who support
Soros and his gang of thieves.
Hi Law,
Consider yourself one of the early targets of MSZP smear campaign:
A negatív kampány lehető legjellemtelenebb formáját választotta az MSZP, amikor kiosztotta első utasításait felbérelt, immár kétszáz tagú ifjúszocialista internetkommandójának. A politikai riválisok lejáratása érdekében a pártközpontból érkező utasítások hamis hírek készítésére szólítják fel a netaktivistákat, akiknek megtévesztésül nemzeti radikálisnak kell kiadniuk magukat, s a Kuruc.info hírportált kell „hirdetniük”, hogy vakvágányra vigyék a politikai közbeszédet.
Of course Jobbik are not doing anything organised and not in any way campaigning, we only have 3 self-confessed ‘friends’ here, Ricsi, Law and Mark.
Mark sometimes live in the US, sometimes he do not want to hear about the US.
Law has been writing under a numerous names, but normally the one who calls every one a ‘filthy jew’.
Ricsi aka Fabian is in the background and always claiming to be so busy.
I would assume that they are all Jobbik-operatives working with the different Jobbik-sites (HunagrianAmbience, Barikad, Jobbik/com/net/hu), then they are constantly plugging these sites.
Another tactic is like with ‘Linesman’/'FloatingVoter’ etc create a situation were it can seem a lot of people are interested in Jobbik, especially those choosing between Jobbik and Fidesz.
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Or the real provocateurs are just Ricsi, Mark and Law. They are here to make Jobbik look bad, because if anything, that is what they really succeed in.
My own Jobbik/MIEP-friends are less StormFront-type of guys than this ‘Gang of Three’.
Just makes you wonder.
@Mark: “ifjúszocialista internetkommandó” Honestly! Ok, Mark’s ‘source’ was Magyar Hírlap: http://www.magyarhirlap.hu/belfold/elso_feladat_az_elso_hazugsag.html