So Fidesz stopped claiming that the Govt is behind these petrol-bombs etc, as they did when 5 MSZP MPs houses were attacked some weeks ago?

What the hell is wrong with Hungarians? The last thing they need is an anti-fascist protest. Get serious already!

Stan, not enough pro-fascists protests?

Hungary is about to go out of business due to mismanagement. Gyurcsany posing as an anti-fascist will not help.

The Hungarians have chosen that they do not want any reforms anyway. The opposition, who is against any reforms, is just waiting for new elections, afraid of suggesting any necessary reforms for upsetting the voters.

I would not hold my breath waiting for any major changes to the current situation.

The main difference though on the latest demos was that Fidesz politicians started to participate and Magyar Nemzet (Fidesz mouthpiece) obvious wrote an editorial that Fidesz should participate against pro-fascists (or whatever you want to call them). So it is not only Feri nowadays.

Feri, as an old Communist, have never had a problem "posing as anti-fascist". That he have done, together with many in the Fidesz leadership since their years in the Pioneers and KISZ before 1990.

What do you call "reforms"? Are they good or bad?
Good for the country, good for the people or good for the corrupt SOBs currently in power?
Changes are needed, the sooner the better.
People are underpaid and overtaxed. They see the widespread corruption and waste of resources and they cannot take much more of the liberal "reforms". They want a cleanup. Get rid of the parasites, the thieves and the idiots. Introduce new terms, like "integrity" and "accountability" and such, and things will get better before you know it.

"People are underpaid and overtaxed".

Hungary has a very big public sector compared to other similar countries. Reducing the State's income would mean State employes would be fired or get lowered salaries. Also social benefits would need to be reduced.

For whom that is good for, depends on your point of view.

I hardly think that any public employee would see so much benefits in reforms, but would the tax payer share that view?

Fidesz is emphasising that it has a platform and is ready to take over the country's leadership, but it has refused to go public with the platform, saying that doing so would be tantamount to taking responsibility out of the hands of the Socialists. So we do no know nothing what they will do. To think that Fidesz have something in their plans that no internationell expert would not already have thought out and would not mean suffering for ordinary people is rather novel thinking.

Believing that just changing the govt would automatically release a lot of money is probably sadly just an illusion.

Decent people rarely enter politics, they just don't have the stomach for it. We cannot expect "good" government, but we may have a chance to get a better one. It would be very difficult to beat Gyurcsany in incompetence.
If the new government can cut down on government waste and corruption that's one step in the good direction.
Taxes are too high, so half the people simply don't pay. Make the system less complex, lower the rates, but enforce payments, and revenues will grow.
Paying welfare to people perfectly capable of working is also a waste of the taxpayers' money.
Not to mention paying a certain ethnic group for making babies and do nothing else. I would rather pay them NOT to have more babies. We can only support so many parasites.
Government contract should go to companies specializing in that field, not to buddy-companies whio know nothing about the job, and will sell it to a sub-contractor in Russia, and keep half the money. This happens all the time.
We should not be so concerned about pleasing the EU, and make an effort to do what's best for the country and the people.

Stan,

I'm a white European that receives considerable tax breaks/govenment benefits for my three white European children. You either pay/take away these benefits for all citizens, or introduce racism into the welfare system. As my children don't fall into the strictist definitions of 'Hungarian', I don't accept the your proposal for a racist welfare system.

There's nothing racist about my idea of not paying people for having more children than they can provide for. It may affect more non-whites, but I would apply the rule to everyone equally.

Political correctness is just another term for not facing reality and sweeping our problems under the rug. There are some ethnic and religious groups that become "untouchable", and that doesn't help solving the problems they create.

Stan

if you "would apply the rule to everyone equally" i'm sorry to have accused you of racism.

But if you write "Not to mention paying a certain ethnic group for making babies and do nothing else. I would rather pay them NOT to have more babies. We can only support so many parasites" the "them" seems to apply to the certain ethnic minority, and the "we" to some other group, rather than everyone. Your poor grammar is opening your views to misrepresentation.

I also think it is simpler in English to describe "the certain ethnic minority" as Gypsies or Roma, presuming of course this is the minority you mean. I think using snide euphemisms only increases that sense of 'untouchability' you quite rightly decry.

I'm intrigued by proposal of "of not paying people for having more children than they can provide for". How are you proposing to decide how many children people can provide for? Will prospective parents have to submit a cashflow forecast before receiving a government license to reproduce?

Finally I can't follow your remarks about political correctness . Is there some connection with anything in my last post? I've never thought of the principle of equality before the law being particularly politically correct.

Stan wants obviously to introduce the Chinese model - one child per family. If you scrape on the surface on every Hungarian, you will find a Communist. Only Communists have ever introduced this idea anywhere in the world.

Stan's idea flies in the face of the Hungarian Right who is complaining over that there are not enough Magyar babies born and wants to give Magyar Mothers extra money from child #4.

I would like to see a hundred-year world wide ban on new babies. That would fix the problem of overpopulation. Pregnancy is an STD (sexually transmitted disease), fortunately it can be prevented and also cured.

Sorry, Stan to pick up on your English again, but haven't you dropped an 'a' from your name?

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