Racist remarks can be made without any consequences in Hungary, and ethnic minorities can be humiliated and insulted here, US ambassador April H. Foley said in a statement after she met minority rights ombudsman Ernő Kállai on Friday.
They discussed steps aimed at seeking parliamentary representation for ethnic minorities, the integration of Roma as well as American experiences that could be put to good use in Hungary.
The US embassy will invite Roma and non-Roma youths to a camp along Lake Balaton in July, where they can attend lectures and courses on how to prevent conflict and get to know each other’s culture.
the US have to mind there own business and stop intervering with independent countries….while the walk over human rights all over the world…
Géza: Word!!!
“Racist remarks can be made without any consequences in Hungary”.
So what? It’s called “freedom of speech”, get used to it.
It’s a good thing I’m not running this country. The US ambassador would be on her way home.
I would not even recognize the US as a legitimate country until they apologize for Trianon.
And if they are so much in love with gypsies, let them take as many as they like.
@ all above posters
You all are idiots. Put down the Jew and Gypsy you’re about to lynch, and get over yourselves, for fuck’s sake.
Children with “ninja” in their names are usually retarded.
ExPatNinja: Who can create the biggest mess? Some extremist Hungarians or the US government? According to the Lancet the US invasion has cost 600.000 Iraqi lives. How many lives has the Hungarian extremists terminated ?
Tacitus made this remark about the Roman empire: “They make slaughter and call it peace”. Its no different form the US Empire.
So Funny
So racist remarks can be made without any consequences in Hungary?
Still better than invading Countries without any consequences!
All hail Rodney King
Stan,
“It’s a good thing I’m not running this country”
for once I agree with you.
At the time President Wilson said: “The proposal to dismember Hungary is absurd” and later Sir Winston Churchill said: “Ancient poets and theologians could not imagine such suffering, which Trianon bought to the innocent.” We are sad to report that they were right.
The US president at the time fought against the harsh treatment of the treaties after WWI and was ignored by Europe – and by his own country who didn’t want to be involved with European nationalistic bickering. You start fights you can’t win and back the wrong horses – this is not our fault. Grow up!
“didn’t want to be involved with European nationalistic bickering”.
Well, the US could have stayed the hell out of WWI. Once you get involved, you have responsibilities. The “peace treaty” was a good example how soldiers can win wars and politicians can lose them. Hungary got the worst of it, but the “peace” set the stage for the Soviet Union and Hitler. Good job.
Then the Stalin-lover US had to get involved in WWII and sell half of Europe to the Russians.
Should have listened to General Patton instead. An opportunity lost forever.
The US is blessed with great soldiers but lousy intelligence and scumbag politicians.
Now you now.
[In all, 62% of the 1,000 people interviewed said they were happiest in the period preceding the change of regime, up from 53% in 2001. Those favouring the Kádár era were generally the elderly rather than the young, and those with lesser schooling. The number saying that the pre-1990 era was the worst fell from 20% in 2001 to 13% today.]
Yet again an example of hungarian hypocrisy…
You keep blaming everyone but yourselves and until you look at your bad decisions not much will improve in this country. At least the
USA is looking at theirs and always trying to improve itself.
So the USA should stay out of all the world’s problem unless of course we are commanded to come and spend our money and lives to improve other people’s country – I agree we should leave – we have more than enough money and resources to take care of ourselves and American would never want if we stopped paying for the social welfare systems of other countries.
Stay out of WWI – please we were neutral, did all we could to have peace and Germans sank passenger ships with Americans on them and gave Mexico the Zimmerman telegraph promising to help them fight a war on our southern borders – and with all that Wilson still tried to fight against the terrible treaties -
NOW YOU KNOW
I remember a Gypsy guy on the tram 4-6 one morning, he was the only minority ethnic person on the tram among the many… well, non minority people. And he was shouting out loud how he hates all Hungarians, how he would like to murder every white person, he was talking like this all the way long, very loud. All seriously. I don’t know if he was drunk or just sheer loco but no one put a finger on him or made a single remark. They just let him be. Imagine this scenario with the roles reversed. The result would be a funeral a week later, after they collected the tiny pieces left of the guy.
Foley was ambassador long enough to learn the magic words here, and use them. Labelling with racism is just a trend, and it’s easier to point at some vague racist groups than to admit that we are not doing jack shit for equal opportunities.
“Yet again an example of hungarian hypocrisy”
You’re seriously unbrilliant. Of course older people were happier in the ’70s and ’80s. They were young back then, and they had pretty much everything they needed, even some things they just wanted. Now most of them have to live on small pensions while the cost of living is getting higher. They miss decent health care and relative security. Now they see the rich is getting richer, the poor getting poorer and the ruling class is stealing everything they can get their hands on. Can’t blame the older generation for being disappointed, no hypocrisy there.
As for the so called “Zimmerman telegraph”, even if it was real, it was just an excuse to get into the war. It wasn’t like Pearl Harbor or anything.
Anyway, the world would be better off if Americans would just mind their own business.
And I’m saying this as a patriotic American not an ex-pat Hungarian.
Stan – A disgruntled expat without real knowledge of their own history – now it makes sense -I can only imagine a young Bohemian spoiled by mom and dad in Budapest trying to find himself. Boohoo- politics is so complicated – why can’t we all just smoke and drink – the USA is bad and everyone else is so wonderful.
Well thanks for the clarification, I really find no fun in arguing with those at an intellectual disadvantage.
chao
Merlin13,
Sorry if my comments were too complicated for you. I tend to forget that you kids have no measurable attention span and lack basic education. Thinking is not for everyone, don’t hurt yourself, go play with your iPod or something…
while running the risk of irking an intellectual superior, I must point out that the work is actually ciao
Stan,
“And I’m saying this as a patriotic American not an ex-pat Hungarian.” You surprise me, Stan: you’re American? Did you leave the motherland because it wasn’t racist enough? Shrewd move on your part to relocate here.
But I am confused about your gypsy policy. What happened to “I also recognize the right of any individual to break away from their respective groups by not following the pattern” which strikes me as assimilationist. Now “And if they are so much in love with gypsies, let them take as many as they like” sounds like you’re in favour of deportation.
Please elucidate, is there some missing premise you haven’t given us?
Pardoneme pero “chao” es espanol o latino y “ciao” es italiano pero – tu no es muy inteligente, no?
get out of hungary much szusi?
BTW hello (halo) – is hello not goodbye
aw jeez, we are all so fucked up,
you cant believe the crap that is going on over here, especially in FloriDUH ! We scream about your shit stinking so you wont notice the crap we have gotten into. Forgetta about the nazis, and the kgb and all the other amateurs, we are bad and we are getting badder, we do not tolerate tolerance here.
Keep your freedom and your way of life while I try to figure a way to get there to enjoy your freedoms and your beautiful women.
Oh yeah, I forgot my byline, ahem,
KINK without GUILT !
My professional opinion is that Mrs Foley hasn’t had a good lay in a long time, and she’s desperate to make up for it by trying to score on the political arena. whattchamacallit? pelvic congestion?
Adrian,
Would you like to move into a predominantly gypsy neighborhood? Would you rent an apartment in Harlem (NY)? Would (if you could) move into a town occupied by Hasidic Jews? If not why? Are you “racist”?
Stan,
Presumably the gypsy neighbourhood would be as squalid as they usually are, ditto the estate in Harlem – but I don’t know: I’ve never been to Harlem. Nor would I like to live on the Raffles estate in Carlisle (UK) entirely white British, nor the Clifton Estate in Nottingham (UK) predominantly white British.
I don’t understand your comment about Hasidic Jews, Stamford Hill in London (UK) is a nice area: I’d be happy to live there.
Now the difficult bit Stan, some logic.
Not wanting to live in squalor, Stan, does not make me a racist.
Spending my time denigrating an oppressed and disadvantaged ‘racial’ group on public blogs would do.
I made the wrong turn once in NY State and ended up driving through a Hasidic town. Nice neighborhood, the friendly people threw rocks at my Mercedes. I think it’s their way of saying “welcome”. I didn’t stay long…
As for gypsies in Hungary, they are far from “oppressed”. Where did you get that?
The Hungarian government is more than generous with ethnic groups. And the Hungarian people are pretty much defenseless against the large number of violent criminals these groups produce.
Believe it or not, this is a huge problem, and the longer we ignore it the worse it’s going to get. As long as we support a group that refuses to respect at least the basic social standards of the host country (and Europe), the group mentality will not change, only the group will grow larger.
What’s your solution?
Stan,
“What’s your solution,” do you want a serious debate about this? OK, I have a few preliminary problems with your position, which will make it difficult for you to understand mine.
Firstly, “the Hungarian people are pretty much defenseless against the large number of violent criminals these groups produce.” The gypsies have lived in Hungary for hundreds of years, I don’t understand how they are non-Hungarian in any meaningful sense of Hungarian. You’ll be claiming Obama isn’t American next.
Secondly, “the group mentality will not change” What is a ‘group mentality’? I think only individuals have a mentality. Are you some kind of Jungian, Stan? And group or otherwise, mentalities change all the time, why can’t these mentalities change?
If you can agree with me that gypsies are Hungarian, and entitled to equal treatment in Hungarian society, and if you can agree with me the gypsies are individuals capable of independent thought and action, we could talk sensibly about solving the problem. At present, though you write as if gypsies are a homogenous non-Hungarian group.
Stan = whiiiiiiite!
Anyway, the ambassador needs to STFU and look within our (Americans) own borders first, where the national hate crimes law is a joke, before talking smack about Hungary.
I’m beginning to understand the source of the problems in Hungary. Stan, a white American redneck (& Hungarian wannabe), is telling the Hungarian Roma that they’re not Hungarian, while he appears to think he is.
“The world would be better off if Americans just minded their own business”- Stan, Pestiside, 3 Jun 08.
Stan- STFU.
Stan,
You’re a star – everyone wants a piece of you.
American cousins,
please excuse the limey, but what does STFU mean?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STFU
Thank you Vándorló, for once again contributing to my education, but what does Southern Tenants Farmers Union have to do with anything. Is there some sort of Klu Klux Klan story here?
I don’t know about Hungarians in Hungary being racist. I know my Hungarian landlords here at home in US are. They are both professors at a reputable university, and they have lived here in the US for about 12 odd years. Racist to the core. Every chance they get, they spew nasty things about Indians, Chinese, Black – they just assume I am okay with that sh*t since I am white…Used to wonder all the time where their superiority comes from…now I know.
For those Americans that are living in Hungary.
Hungary is a melting pot of Europe. If you look at your
neighbors, you will discover many names that are not truly
Hungarian. There are Serb, Croat, Slovakian, Polish, etc.
Generalizing that all Magyars are racist is kind of silly.
There is racism everywhere in the world. Racism still exists in
the United States. Rush Limbaugh has made it popular again in
the United States by allowing angry white men to blame their
problems on the “black folks sucking the tit of Washington.”
Americans need to get over themselves. As my wife’s
Grandmother used to say, “Sweep your porch before you go
around sweeping everyone else’s off.”
There has always been conflict between the Roma and the
Magyars. Until the Roma assimilate, there will always be
problems. They don’t want to assimilate. Until they assimilate
and create resources through legitimate means, this debate will
last another 100 years.
Pali-bácsi,
having recently spending a dinner in the company in a retired police lieutenant from Texarkana, and avowed Southern Democrat, I have to agree with you to that his discourse on the subject of the African American victims of Hurricane Katrina was profoundly reminiscient of my Hungarian friends on their Roma minority. He had the goodness though to refrain from any racial epiphets, unlike my Hungarian friends. It is also worth pointing out that the Democratic candidate for president is an African American – when the Roma have penetrated Hungarian society to the same extent that African Americans have penetrated American, then Hungarians will be be in a position to tell Americans “to get over themselves” on this issue.
I am also utterly bored with the “They don’t want to assimilate” argument. I teach in a secondary school, I listen to my students berate gypsies in their humour and their politics, in the staffroom I listen to the teachers do the same. In this environment, listening to your ethnicity being continually pilloried, there is no chance of assimilation only disguise. That is perhaps why self-declared Roma only make up half of the estimated Roma population in Hungary. What the Roma need more than anything is inspirational leadership like Martin Luther King and Malcolm X -revered American leaders who made all Americans listen to the experience and dignity of African Americans and the injustices they had suffered.
Adrian D.
It may be an old argument, but it is true.
It takes both economic and political participation for
change to occur. It requires assimilation into the general
population. Assimilation being respecting the laws and ways of
the majority, while respecting your own way of life.
The first step to achieve this is through economic
development and education.
In the US, immigrants do this when they come to this
country, yet they can maintain their ethnic identities.
If you want to see success in this, study the story of Irish-
Americans in this country. They were considered the scum of
the world. Collectively, they changed the perceptions of the
Irish in this country.
The point I am making is racism is not a Hungarian
problem. it is a global problem. It is everywhere. It happens
both ways too.
If the Roma want to change their situation in Hungary. It is
going to take assimilation by economic success and political
participation to be heard.
Right or wrong, that is how the world works.
Pali-bácsi,
I’m pleased to have the opportunity to debate this issue!
Without denying the prejudice that the Irish have suffered in America and the UK, your comments about Irish Americans are not particularly relevant, they were European by race and culture before they went to America. The Roma are asiatic in origin.
I agree with you that racism “is a global problem. It is everywhere. It happens both ways too.” but disagree that assimilation entails “respecting [all] the laws and ways of the majority”. In a racist society such as the USA pre-civil rights act or the UK pre race relations act. The law had to change the way that the majority are permitted to treat the minority, before assimilation could begin.
Racism in Hungary, unlike in the US or the UK has this pre-civil rights feeling. The US Ambassodar was right, it does go unpunished in Hungary.
“The first step to achieve this is through economic development and education”. Without effectively implementated law punishing racial discrimination in Hungary, that first step is inordinantly high for the Roma. Enforced anti-discrimination law takes the costs of racial discrimination off the potentially discriminated-against and puts them on the potentially discriminatory.
Until laws against racial discrinimation are enforced in Hungary, there is no way forward for the majority of Roma.
Adrian,
I visit my family in Hungary often and do not recall witnessing
“Jim Crow” laws against the Roma.
So, if you are suggesting that Hungary practices institutional
racism, I can’t believe they would be a member of the EU.
Chances are, the EU would not be too tolerate institutional
racism from its members.
In the United States, all immigrant groups go through a process
of prejudice against them. So replace Irish with Arabs,
Mexicans, Koreans, Vietnamese. We are experiencing it right
now with Mexicans in this country. How people feel about the
Mexicans is very much like what the Irish went through back in
the late 1800s here.
The way you overcome it is through assimilation into the
economy and education. That is what the Irish did and that is
what all the other ethnics are doing today in this country. The
victim culture kills acceptance and progression.
Magyars are of asiatic origin too. Not the same part of Asia, but
asiatic nonetheless. As a group, we assimilated into Europe
when we joined the Cathlolic church and joined the economy of
Europe. (Simplified, but true nonetheless).
Look, my Nagypapa was a paraszt from torokszentmiklos that
ran away from home when he was 13 to BP. He became a
butcher, eventually owned his own store, and lost his business
during the war. He did not have any advantages in life. He just
worked his butt off.
You cannot rely on laws alone to change circumstances. Hard
work goes into it too.
I remember a conversation I had last year at our school’s parents evening with the father of one of our Roma kids. He was well-educated, spoke good English and worked as a lawyer. We had a long and very interesting conversation, mostly due to this being my first really fluent chat with a Roma. After a while I asked about whether he felt that there was prejudice against Roma in Hungary and he related to me some of the problems faced by Roma, at least urban Roma.
He told me that there certainly is widespread prejudice towards Roma here, similar to the prejudice towards disadvantaged groups encountered in any other developed country (the landlord who doesn’t rent a flat to you, the employer who won’t give you a job, the use of their name as a form of abuse, the prejudice of law enforcement agencies, etc, etc). However, just as in any socially disadvantaged community, parts of the Roma community didn’t help their public perception by subscribing to the expected negative stereotypes and encouraging a culture of unattainment which held others back. In his opinion it needed a really concerted two-sided effort to overcome these problems. On one hand the Hungarian establishment needed to enforce existing law more and legislate new anti-discrimination laws and on the other hand there needed to a large social movement within the Roma community to encourage using these new opportunities constructively and not exploiting them.
This is about the sanest thing I’ve ever heard on the subject
Pali-bácsi,
I am agree with your comment about victim culture.
I am not “suggesting that Hungary practices institutional racism”. Hungary has won plaudits from the EU for its integration program.
I believe like JoeBones lawyer:
“On one hand the Hungarian establishment needed to enforce existing law more and legislate new anti-discrimination laws and on the other hand there needed to [be] a large social movement within the Roma community to encourage using these new opportunities constructively and not exploiting them.”
The more significant problem than racism here is the comparative weakness of the rule of law. This underlies most of Hungary’s social and Economic problems: corruption, public finance, even the danger of using Hungary’s roads. Too many people have no respect for the law in the first place, or think they have the connections to enable them to sidestep it.
Respect to your Nagypapa, I too am descended from a Butcher – in Skipton, Yorkshire. But small people need the protection of the law to enforce their contracts and their rights against big people. I learnt this first hand in Russia in 1996.
I agree with what Joe Bones said.
I guess it summed up what I was trying to say. It goes both ways.
JoeBones,
I’ve been teaching here for 8 years, and I envy you that conversation. Can I ask are you based in Bp? I think things might be a little less developed here in the provinces.
Adrian D,
Yes I’m luckily based in BP in a district with high numbers of immigrants and Roma living there (all you BPers can narrow that down to a few districts) but from what I’ve seen in other parts of the country I agree that things are more developed here in terms of minority rights. I just hope there are more people out there who are like the gentleman i spoke to. Sadly, I know that currently, when Győzike is the most famous Roma in Hungary for the love of Mike!, it’s going to take a lot of people like him to change things.
JoeBones,
Did you discuss segregated education with the lawyer parent? I can think of benefits as well as drawbacks, so I’m curious about his opinion, and yours.
Hi Adrian D,
Sorry it’s taken a while for me to get back to you, been having a break from the Net (courtesy of UPC). Re: segregated education, I don’t know the opinion of said lawyer as we unfortunately didn’t discuss the topic. I’ll ask him if I see him next year (his second son is still at the school).
My opinion on this is really divided. I grew up in a very ethnically diverse part of the UK so I know how important it is for children to go to school with each other so they can overcome the prejudices taught to them by their families and form their own opinions about people based on their own experiences. However this hasn’t worked here in the past so why should it work in the future. So maybe something could be said for segregation if it gives Roma kids a chance to get good educations (which they rarely do at the moment – usually due to poverty and prejudice from the teaching staff). This would hopefully increase the number of Roma university entrants. But maybe segregation would have the opposite effect, reinforcing the divide much as it did in apartheid-era South Africa and US. I don’t know enough about the history of the Hungarian system to be able to judge which way it would go, so I’d be really interested if anyone can give me any info regarding previous segregative education studies done here in Hungary.
JoeBones,
you could try this:
http://www.romaeducationfund.hu/documents/Kertesi_Kezdi_Segregation_REF_2.doc
My visits to hungary were real eye openers; many humgarians should be schooled, I mean not ecuational courses but about ignorance. Many Hungarians are generally decent folks with economic problems but there are those retarded ones with generally no semblance of civilisation inside them; communism and bigotry went to town on some Humgarians and completely adjusted their mentality for good.
It is not just becoming a member of the EU that is the issue, it is also a very good education on how democratic and civil society works that the Hungarians need.
and hey, pornstars and western prostitution is not the only way to get into other mainstream societies, try communication and understanding.
Here comes “info” from the ancient land of the hooligans, teaching us how to behave properly.
He searches Google for “racism in Hungary” then lecture us about “how democratic and civil society works”. How would you know? We’re still looking for at least one good example for that.
So how’s the weather in Surrey ol’ chap?
I am reading these posts with tears in my eyes, I am sobbing heavily while writing these notes:
your true humanist, compassionate words soothing my outrage that I feel for the callous, cruel
Hungarians for their condescending and racist treatment of the noble Roma people.
It’s is a pity that the racist white populace all over in the world engender unfounded hostility
towards these hard working, highly educated people full of ingenious talents and then some.
We should follow the US affirmative action policy that is to offer preferential treatment to the Roma and nominate the tribal chief to be the next president of Hungary. We should earn the respect of the progressive, humanist people of the World: All of us are the Children of the World, and we should sing Kumbaya!
Right on Bela!
Hang on……… anybody seen my wallet?
Boys, I think them thar liberals have long since scarpered from this here comment box. Just this litty-bitty wet behind the ears info kid. Lets saddle up and go find us a good Gypo-lynchin’ or Jew-hangin’ instead
I would like to travel to visit Hungary, was wondering if anyone can advice a brown skin person where i can travel safely and see the beautiful city of Budapest. Thx!
Brownie: There is racism in Hungary – like everywhere on earth – but really, there isn’t a significant risk of you getting in trouble just for being your normal brown self. So by all means, come and enjoy.
The US Embassy should invite Gypos to Florida if
they love them so much. I assume the US should
give up to invade, rob, and rape other countries!
In Hungary you are free to talk your mind and you
do not have to love everybody! And that american
slot is free to go home anytime if she does not
like here and could take as many gypos she
wants…
Robi–
Well said, but watch out for Erik –He will be quick to remind you that you are not as free as you think on his forums !!
Though maybe he is not as sensitive to Gypsey criticism as he is to Jewish criticism ???
Just a though Erik !
PS–The little old lady is doing very well selling her books in Pécs,thanks for the free publicity.
@Brownie. Hungary and Budapest are safe for tourists. I assume that you are South Asian in colouring so just speak English or German, everyone will realise you’re not a gypsy. And don’t take it personally if people don’t smile, that’s a Hungarian national trait. Enjoy your stay, it’s a beautiful country.
@Robi & Ricsi. FFS, does your skin-colouring based racism now extend to potential tourists and guests of our fine country? Would you like the tourist industry to dry up, putting many people out of work and removing income from the economy (don’t answer that, I can probably guess your answers). By all means you are entitled to your opinion about gypsies but save the slogans and small-mindedness for another comment stream.
@Demagogue
Thank you for tagging, it is so so liberal, thank
you showing your real face! D LOL. Colors are not
welcome in Hungary not even from your “Fine”
Country! I’m a Hungarian borned, raised and living
in Hungary where everybody is just white! You may
tag it racism or what ever you want it but Hungary
is still The Country of Hungarians.I1ve got a
liberal education, but being a neighbour of a
Gypsy family for years had washed it away, I just
can not think colors as Human. Since I never
talked or bought anything from them, If they want
something on the street I do not even stop or look
at them no matter they speaking Hungarian, Englis,
German, Bantu or Urdu at all, the rule is just
ignore and n. We do not want them in OUR Country
so do not encourage them! And yepp, what people
from lets say “mixed” Countries wants or expect is
irrelevant! I’d remind you you are just a
foreigner in this Country and if you don’t like it
or find it “colorful” enough for your taste, you
are free to go home anytime! For 600 years we did
not let the Gypos into hour society, we could
defend ourselves from them! This resistance will
never be washed away neither with liberal jibrish
nor with the will of EU or the ususal frithening
of US… Why what will happened if we not obey
your multicultural-multicolor rubish? You’ll
invade us like Iraq blaming us terrorism? Then
preparte for a long time, the Turks, the Habsburgs
and lately a the Russians spent quite some time
here and they all had to give up..
@Brownie – Dont worry, Hungary is a nice place to visit. As Demagogue said, Hungarians are usually tolerant, and dont give anyone any trouble. All Hungarians have brown blood in them anyway, so you wont feel out of place. Some Hungarians are just browner than others.
Sure, I am a foreigner, but we can be just as blunt, and don’t give a shit to what you think anyway. We ignore you too 
Actually, we’re only just here to teach you so that you dont have to be an economic or academic refugee in Denmark, or the US. See, the proof is in your uncle. He doesn’t bother too. What’s jo napot?
@Robi – yes, you too are barna, brown, braun, brun or marrone
I spent 20 years in New York and learned to live with all sorts of colors and nationalities. I started from the bottom, driving a yellow cab for a few years. I had a few incidents with passengers and other drivers, and most of them were white Americans. NY is the “melting pot” and it seems to work there, but I’m not sure if it would work the same way in Hungary. I got used to the Chinese restaurants, Korean groceries, Arab convenience stores, Italian pizzerias, Jewish diamond merchants and black shoe shine boys. They all get along fine as individuals, the problem starts when they form ethnic groups. Once they forget to be Americans and want to be Jews and Africans and whatever, that’s when they become violent and hurt each other. So I really don’t care about ethnic background and skin color – these are not a matter of choice. As long as immigrants don’t gang up on the host country, I have no problem with them. Once they start coming in large numbers and expect the hosts to not only take care of them, but also accept their anti-social behavior, then we have a situation.
@Uncle Joe
Jó Napot is Good Day… My uncle is a fine
egsample of being a western nowing nothing about a
country, only moving there taking economical
advantage of the Country and look down on it’s
citizens just because he is too lazy to study a
different language and culture. Yess, reading
books on Hungary being wrote and published in
America is only make you know what the west thinks
about Hungarian history, what usually has quite a
little to do what Hungarians consider… but it’s
forgivable for somebody who thinks Opera and
Operetta is both classy…
Oh, and make one more thing clear: I’m not the one
who lives in a foreign country whining and
complaining all the time why people aren’t doing
things like home!
Depends where you walk and what transport you catch but the only people you will get harassed by are the Gypos who will think you are one of the kind because you probaly have the same appearance, just dont dress like the seventies fashion with any satin silk shirts or thick gold rapper chains Hommie style..
As for uncle he lives a sheltered life in the metros with the cheap gypo hookers i last saw him pimping at the Keleti so avoid that area by all means.. Unless you dont mind to make a few bucks,
@Uncle
and over your nasty remark, that blood is not
brown it’s yellow, if you’d known Hungarians you
might know that as well…D) I just cried wet all
my pillows, over English teachers, who gave up everything to teach poor little Hungarian kids to
English, bruhaha…Nice, pose but quite
transparent…
Colors are not welcome in Budapest, but they do
not have to worry. No Hungarians will attack them
anyway, becouse it would involve to touch them or
talk to them. no way. They only fear is being
beaten up or robbed by Gypos, but Gypos are their
sob after all D)))
@Robi – Like I said, we dont really care about what you think, or what you want us to read about your history. You are writing it now, so we can see it for all its worth. Who’s whining? I’m just giving friendly advice to your brown cousin who brings some money to help Hungary. All colours are welcome (to ignore Robi).
Nasty remark? No, just honest. There is no difference between you and your brown neighbours, even if you think you’re yellow. The real yellow probably think you’re brown too anyway.
Pity about your pillow. Your English teachers must also be crying seeing how bad your English is after 3 years (not to mention your Danish drama teachers- say, you’re not acting now are you?). Please forgive MY English. I dont teach English to poor Hungarian kids.
Thanks for the Hungarian lesson. Will be sure to use my second Hungarian word frequently from now on. (Barna was the first word).
@Hot Pap – I dont use the metro. I prefer to walk. Don’t like jealous Hungarians scratching my Lexus. Yup, I got it pimping you and Robi to the Haider type visitors. Have fun with with your buddy, Inga, tomorrow. LOL.
@Uncle
I’d be interested how is your grammar in your
fourth linguage, that’s English to me! According
to my experience most americans only speak one
languge, and only speaking it… We do not care
shallow redneck halfbreed americans either! You
are the ones forcing yourself into the rest of the
world! politics.hu is under a Hungarian domain if
you do not like Hungarians on it move it
elsewhere! You came here so than you should go not
me!
@Stan – Well said. I agree with all your comments and observations in your last post- there must be a blue moon out there tonight
I don’t care for Sarah Palin either.
@Robi – “We do not care shallow redneck halfbreed americans”. See Robi, we agree on something
Who said I don’t like Hungarians. I love all of you brown people. I’m really sorry. I didn’t realise I needed a Hungarian passport to post here. But…. as I said before, I don’t give a shit what you want. So, if you cant take the barbs, feel free to leave, although i must say, it is a quite refreshing and thought-provoking to debate you. Esp, since you’re usually quite civil, though not always civilized (my biased judgement).
Why suddenly so defensive on English/english teachers? I commend you on knowing 4 languages, though I suspect your english is better than what you let on (see – danish drama lessons paying off). Yes, you’re right, most Americans speak only 1 language, which is a pity, although this seems to be changing,…..slowly. What is my grammar like on my fourth language. That’s a bit difficult to say. I speak 4 European and 4 non-european languages. Which 4th language were you referring to? btw, I’m not american.
That last anonymous was from me. Robi’s disease is catching.
@UncleJoe. Robi is responding to comments I wrote as VeryAnnoyedTaxPayer, hence the English teacher comments.
@Stan. You live in a melting pot, I come from a melting pot. I think we can both testify that the idea can work. You’re also right about the need to draw lines in the sand with regards to integration and assimilation. The PC brigade (those fuckwits that give liberals a bad name) have always driven me up the wall with their sermonising. Especially because most of them haven’t any experience of living in a large, diverse city, preferring to inhabit places like the Home Counties (UK) or the Hmaptons (US) and endlessly apologising for fundamentalist peasants who want to mutilate/honour-kill their daughters.
@Robi. My pose is not transparent. Yes the kids I teach are poor, in terms of fiscal poverty. They’re from the X and VIII districts. I certainly don’t have a superiority complex (I prefer to moan about the Anglo world instead) regarding the country I was born in, but due to living in several places I think I may have some insights into differences and how all of the places I ever called home could improve (don’t get me started on the UK or S.E Asia, I’ll be here until the morning ranting). I live here because I like the country and the people (especially my girlfriend). I learn Hungarian (only my 3rd language, yes I’m a Brit who actually trys to speak in foreign languages/tongues) and read books published in many countries.
Can you tell I didn’t have anything planned for this evening and my girlfriend’s has gone to fencing practise
Last post I promise.
@hotpaprika. This’ll make you laugh. Győrziké (or however that idiot spells his name) threatened to emigrate to the UK last year, claiming that he had been approached to design a fashion label. After hearing this I did some snopping around with some old friends who now work for some of the big fashionistas in London. Turns out Győrzi wasn’t BSing. But he did the approaching, not them. He was playing on the Balkan Gogol Bordello folk-punk-ska-rap hype, that’s why he got a look-in. He was asked why he had gone for a retro sportswear look (sounds familiar) in his designs. And he replied “Retro? They’re not retro. That’s cutting edge Kőbányai Bízarr fashion”. Glad they told him where to stuff it. Last thing Hungary needs is that idiot publishing himself abroad. That would be another nail in the cultural coffin so to speak.
Just read how many languages everyone speaks. One question, is it ‘speaks’ as in actually can speak or is it ‘speaks’ as in ‘I’m a BME student with an advanced language certificate, that I cheated/bribed/blackmailed my way through, but I can’t actually say, read or write anything in that language’ or (just for fairness’ sake) Brit tourist ‘I can speak Spanish because I can say “por favor” after I ask for a beer in English’?
That’s all folks, enjoy the holiday and stay out of trouble…Now where did I leave those Molotovs?…
@Demagogue – to answer your (“fairness”) question, my 4th European language ability is about 50% of my English ability, and my 4th non-European language ability is about 70% of my English ability. The proficiency doesn’t extend to writing as 3 of the scripts are not romanised. If you knew my background, this’ll all make sense. Unfortunately, Auntie Jane feels a little insecure with some of my postings (because of any potential nut jobs out there),hence I’ve just listed language groupings.
Didn’t connect that the earlier post on the teacher part was for you. Many also take me for an English teacher. Enjoy your weekend.
Robi, Ricsi and hotpaprika – How can you call yourself White? You are not – You are Hungarian/Magyar/etc, invading the nice European heartland with your stinking horses.
You are not White. White folks was not beaten by the Chinese and came to Europe. We were already here. If someone should leave the area it is you guys – if you are Real Magyars of course.
I have just finished my new pink jumpsuite and made a nice plakat with all my different nail-polish “Gays for Vona”. I will wear it when this super-macho BNP closet-gay person will speak on the Jobbik meeting in front of the Hungarista Fag Brigade. Hope to see you all there!
@Viking
Well, Viking I do agree with you that Vona is a
fag in disguise and rather needs urgent medical
care than public attention. But you obviously do
not know beep about Magyars, so do not pretend it.
You could be proud about your pirate (meaning
Criminal) ancestors, We just took over a good old
Roman tradition, keep a boot on a neck of the
slavs. You may know in Latin slav means both slave
and slave becouse it’s the same thing. Actually we
did it longer and more effectivethan any of your bloodless western country could do! And Viking if
you are not liking it than you can drag your silky
smooth ass back into that liberal heaven of the
North, and grind your theeth until your gums
bleeding over that those Arabs you welcomed so
hartly are willing to build mosques all over your
Country… ewhat actually would have happened lot
earlier if we do not stop the turks for you with
hardly any help from the west just as usual…
@Demagougue @Uncle
As you can see I got up way to early and yesterday
I had not much better to do than hang out here
while the workers where I dunno what doing in the
Chimney… btw. let me tell you Honestly -than
you”ll tag it as you want to D)- why we do not
like our Gipsy visitors. A few months ago they
were coming to check the chimney, no big deal if
you give the man a thousand he’ll go away without
seeing anything. But all these years living with
you expats) did not go by without touching me, so
first of all I let the guy in the flat even he
obviously had strong Indian background is that PC
enough? It’s beyond me why we can’t just call
things on their name in English, but if you folks
prefer it this way than let’s dance this way… So
the first Roma person had passed our door… He
started to bitching around how bed is the chimney
is and by accident he knows someone (whatta
surprise himself) taking care of it. e agreed over
the price of 250.000.-(without an invoice of
course) and he’ll come two weeks later on monday.
Ok, I was waiting for him on the day, nobody come
nobody called… Ok, than I tried to call him
telephone is turned of. Next monday somebody, ring
the gate phone, I answered the guy was coming a
“little” late, so I told him that we sold our
problem in the meanwhile and get lost. I just
checked that that because my American family is a
little paranoid over insurances I1ve just checked
that the paintings and rugs are also covered by
the insurance so no worry)
Robi: “if we do not stop the turks for you with
hardly any help from the west just as usual”
Is that what they teach in Hungarian schools nowadays? No wonder that young Hungarians are confused. The truth is of course it was an all-European effort and the determing battle was fought in Austria. After the Turks withdrew only 30% of the ‘Magyar/Hungarian’ population was still staying, so the Habsburgs imported a lot of Slavs, Germans etc to fill the country so it could start to function again.
The reason why the Turks could enter in to Europe via Hungary, was that the Hungarian Nobility got tired of defending themselves from the Turks and started to raid the West instead. By doing this they weakened the defense against the Turks and developed it the same way as the German/etc castle the attacked. Meaning the Hungarians went from a very mobile army that was hard to attack into fortified castles, which either was easy to beseige or just avoid. The Hungarians changed their way of defense from their original, very close to the Turk way, into the more traditional European way. So if Hungarians had kept to what they should have done, the Turks would never have gone so much North. Just shows that you never been able to trust an Hungarian.
@Viking
I do not like north and west Europe, I’ve seen it
and decided not to go ever again I think it is a
good attitude toward things you do not like… And
if it’s about trust that we are the ones can’t
trust a westerner you just sold East Europe at
Jalta, to the soviets to save your guts from the
commies… just like you’d betrayed us with the
turks, the Austrians were waiting until the turks
killed most Hungarians so they could easily take
over with your so called all European effort. If
you’d know the history of Habsburgs you’d know
they were not moralizing as much as you do. You
took or lands and gave it to the slavs at Trianon.
You did not dare to do anything in’56 and even in
92 the war next door was going on because it was a
crutial western interest to try new and sellout
old weapons, the meanwhile you might recall the
gulf war was sold in days just because you wanted
to put your filthy hand on the oil. Oh, and
westerners are not corrupt….hmmm, you can buy an
American visa trough the Consulat, here anytime if
you dig deep into your pocket and and the west is
moraly immaculate only companies like, Siemens,
Audi, Mercedes, Deutche Telecom, Vodafone, Nestle,
Spar, Tesco, Auchan, Aldi, Dorgerie Markt,Strabag,
Skanska, Nokia, just to name a few are in the
Hungarian corruption circle…Btw, do you may know
that most European linguage is so called Indo-
European, it indicates that you also were coming
from somewhere and describes me why are you loving
Gipos so much! LOL
From what I have read about the Hungarian gene pool, they are MUTTS! People that moved from, all over the place, central asia and the former soviet region, to what is now called Hungary. So Robit, what is with the superiority complex? You are just as fucked up as any other ethnicity.
The only difference between hungarians and gypys are skin color. ones white the other ones brown.
why is that sucha big deal why cant everyone just treat people equally.
I’m so sorry for we Hungarians, we are the biggest fool, how can we see, if we do not remove the scales russians placed on our eyes? All developed nations are not racist economy………I am an Hungarian, but have lived in developed world and had seen the way things worked,as a matter of fact…….I HATE HUNGARIANS AND RUSSIANS FOR THIS……..If i meet anyone of you if America, i promise u i will kill you. we are all stupid.
Gabor,
Why don’t you start the killing with yourself.
Good luck.
First, this is an absurd remark by the US Ambassador. All the things she says Hungary is “guilty” of, the US is as well. As has been pointed out, it is called freedom of speech. It is not illegal…yet. I am sure that Mr. Obama and some of his more rabid left wing supporters would love to introduce such legislation, just as EU technocrats have done in Great Britain and elsewhere. There is no specific representation in the US Congress for racial minorities, those representatives who are racial minorities have to win an open election to take their seat. That said, there is no need for anti-Americanism from some of the posters, especially from those who have no grasp of the history of either the US or Hungary. How can an educated Hungarian come up with the line that Americans should “apologize for Trianon”? For your information, the USA had nothing to do with the above mentioned treaty, and refused to be a signatory to it, eventually signing a seperate peace treaty with Hungary. In addition, the only power that stood up for Hungary when the Romanian army came plundering through Budapest was the head of the American legation, who put Hungarian property under the seal of the US government. Perhaps one should have paid more attention during the history lessons at secondary school.
Hungary has gone to the dogs. They bark all night long! Successive Hungarian governments are very generous with the tax-payer’s money..they look after the ethnic minorities very well. To the extent that the floodgates have been opened and
the hordes can’t get here fast enough to enjoy
the hospitality. April ‘Fooley’ is another exanple of a loud-mouthed, American termagant, sticking her big nose into something she neither understands, nor really cares about. She just spouts a ‘populist’ view and hopes that the accolades and garlands will be showered about her very big and smelly feet.
Here is something far more important for us all to worry about:”The mayor of the small Hungarian village of Kunbaja, István Halasz, was sentenced to 18 months in prison last Thursday by a court in Kecskemét for arranging the import and illegal dumping of rubbish from Germany in 2006 in a case that blew up into an international scandal.”
This is just the tip of a ‘rotten’ iceberg that’s about to crush Hungary once and for all time because this sort of corruption is endless.
PS Review all the posts on this forum. I would say
at least eighty per cent rattle on about jews and gypsies: and I say again.. Hungary has gone to the dogs… barking all the time about race issues
and World Wars of the distant past whilst the real villains are getting away with murder.
I say Sarah Palin for US ambassador to Hungary.
That should put the final nail in the coffin for both Hungary and US relationships with Europe.
JD@you are actually right,though you do not realise the gravity of your words. Hungary should forget the rapidly collapsing US and its aggressiveness and start looking towards a resurgent Russia and perhaps China,the 2 new real super powers for this century.Here we could find secure energy,new business and new trading partners.
…and maybe not so many persons of alleged or real affiliation to the Jewish faith.., fabian?
Viking@I don’t make allegations about anyone’s faith,I only mention the facts.
And the facts are that all countries are hit with the current recession, even your favourite State Mafia Countries – Russia and China.
Describing the US as ‘rapidly collapsing’ is no more than wishful thinking from your/Jobbik side. The cracks are though much more visible in the Jobbik favourite Mafia States.
IMHO Europe (an extended EU, including countries like the Ukraine and Turkey) should build a strong union (“Super-State”) so we Europeans can free ourselves as much as possible from the burden to be dependent of different “super powers”. We already have an important weapon in the Euro, it is threatening the US-Dollar and stops any competing currency to be the new world currency.
It is such a a pity that all the energy that exists among ‘nationalists Hungarians’ is spilt on promoting the new Russia’s security interests. Jobbik is nothing more than the fifth column to the Russia’s FSB (previous KGB). They are fuelled with an hatred against all they can label as ‘Jewish’, which means everything that goes against Russia. This hatred is not a product of WWII, it is an old thing in Hungary, as in Russia. It has nothing to do with Nazism or Hitler. Probably a religious thing.
viking@The collapse of the Dollar as already begun this week,watch the second round of the crisis hit even harder this summer.
Time to accept reality,China for all its faults is the new world economic super power,Russia for all its faults is the new energy super power–better to work with them then against,or do you prefer we join in the coming invasion/attack on Iran to control middle east oil and appease zionist Israel again?
fabian,
No big power today (China, Russia, US) have the resources to successfully invade Iran.
The military fiasco in Iraq will hinder all those actions from the US at least 2-5 years. The US is not out of Iraq yet and cannot handle a war with Iran for many years. Afghanistan will keep everyone, including the EU, busy for many years.
Not even when Saddam was US agent in the area and attacked Iran, they succeeded, even if Saddam used more nerve-gas against the Iranians than against the Kurds, but the world, except the UN-experts, only knows about the attacks on the Kurds.
The country that benefited most from the US illegal invasion of Iraq is Iran. Basically all of those big ‘informers’ that was used by the Bush-administration to invade Iraq, were in some way related to the Iranian Intelligence Services.
This is the big joke about the US invasion, it was an example of extremely good Intelligence work done by the Iranians. CIA has never been known for Intelligence, Russians and some 3rd world countries have whipped their ass before.
Not for Europe to end up as a pawn in this game between the different big powers, it is important that we build the European Union as one state, one foreign policy. Not a lot of retarded local village’s fights that no one want to hear about and even less want to understand. Stop the local squabbling, we are Europeans firstly (even if we will support different Football Teams). That is what unites us, not ‘race’, not religion, not ‘whatever’.
Viking@ I do so hope you are right in this case,but you omitted one factor-the persistent war mongering of Israel,remember who ‘controls’ US policy through AIPAC and CFR unfortunately.
Hi guys,
I am a spanish guy visiting a small village named Törökszentmiklós this summer. I have been trying to collect some information about the area and I found this interesting website.
Regarding the gypsy issue, probably much people here know that Spain is one of the countries in the world with more gypsy people in.
When Spain was a “monoethnical” country, as more or less Hungary is now, the gypsies were the main criminal focus. Curiously after the spanish economical boom in the 90 and part of this century, Spain attracted a lot a people from Africa, South America, etc, looking for jobs and opportunities.
It supposed logically new criminal focus much more desperated than the gipsyes. What happened?
The gipsyes began to ask police protection in their neightboors for the new dangerous people living there. They began to move to other areas mixing with the rest of the spanish people.
Today, the gypsies are much more integrated than 20 years ago.
I do not know if this case can be helful to understand the hungarian gypsy problem.
Thanks a lot
@Miguel, I just spoke to a Spanish friend and he claims that in Barcelona Gypsies are still a major issue especially the Romanian ones, so the mix of both the influx of refugees and Gypsies must be a cocktail for disaster.
Emese,
Interesting that the Spanish can recognise the difference between the “Romanian Gypsies” and the rest of the lot.
Must make them to the most ‘Roma Intelligent’ people in the EU.
Viking@Maybe because they speak Romanian?? LOL
fabian,
Are you seriously suggesting that Spanish people in general would hear/understand the difference between Hungarian and Romanian?
I just had one of my Swedish relatives robbed in Spain and they were definitely not Roma. Neither did the Spanish Police do any statement pointing to Roma. The Police agreed with my relative where the attackers came from, and let us say they were not from this area.
Why are you so afraid of examples of possible successful integration of Roma?
That *is* your policy anyway, forgot that?
Viking@You really are thick–Romanian is a latin based language like French,as well as Spanish and Italian–so yes I think many Spaniards would be able to differentiate between latin based Romanian and totally different Hungarian.
fabian,
Please do not insult people’s intelligence, not even the Spainish ones.
The Romani people in Spain are generally known as Gitanos. Spanish Romanies tend to speak Caló which is basically Andalusian Spanish with a large number of Romani loan words. Estimates of the Spanish Gitano population fluctuate between 600,000 and 1,500,000.
How many Romanian Roma do you think are there?
Still – Why are you so afraid of examples of possible successful integration of Roma?
That *is* your policy anyway, forgot that?
Dear Friends from the world and hungry
i have travelled all over europe from croatia to
hungry to estonia to latvia and poland and romania
to bulgaria u name it i been there and to be
honest as iam a British muslim , brown skin i have
never had any problems or racist remarks unless
you provoke someone and if i was to say i hate
africans or gypsies then thats called racist , but
when a black african or a gypsies attack me or rob
me then whats thats called , iam sorry these
people dont want to work just want to rob others
may be thats why they are hated , iam not saying
they are all bad but one bad egg gives dozens a
bad name just like in any country , i love most
people , but as i said they are bad eggs in us all
so lets stop talking shit and live in peace you go
your way i go my way then wheres the problem ,
none , USA are asholes they like poking there
fuckin nose every where , they attack countries
for oil and gas and say oh they are terrorists who
created these terrorists USA ofcourse the USA will
kill a few of their own and attack and invade
counties wheres the proof about iraq or afganistan
they killed many innocent people for nothing
BAADSHAH,
You stated “i love most
people , but as i said they are bad eggs in us all
so lets stop talking shit and live in peace you go
your way i go my way then wheres the problem” and then you go on to vilify a whole nation.
With your last statements. you’ve shown yourself to be nothing but another hate mongering Muslim. It’s as if I said I’m all for peace and live-and-let-live for the whole world except for those wanna-be-white British Paki Muslims because they’re all terrorists. Of course, I would never even consider saying such a thing…
Americans think they are so righteous, cuz they are not allowed to ‘say racist remarks’ ? Well before pointing fingers let me tell this: we were not the ones dragging the gypsies here to make them our slaves. They were fleeing to us.
U.S.A wants to make right the horrible massacre they did to african people back 200 years ago by pointing at other smaller countries????
I’m of Indian origin and I’m considering visiting Hungary as a
tourist. Would you say Hungary is a safe place for people like me?
I’ve never been to Eastern Europe, but I have some sweet Hungarian
tourists… so that’s my motivation for going there. I figure it must
be a nice place.
Sunil you will feel at home, there are many of your
cousins living here, looking forward to your visit.
My apologies for the stupid comments of US ambassador April H. Foley
@Mark:
So telling the truth is stupid in your opinion ?
Just look at this jobbik site, if that’s not racist insulting…
http://www.hungarianambiance.com/search/label/Crime%20and%20Punishment
We have photos and videos of torturing Arab prisoners so horrible that Obama refused to publish them in spite of his campaign promise that he would.
I do not believe that anyone has the right to criticize Hungary, especially April Foley, Bush’s former bitch and supporter of Bush’s racist policies.
Obama had a chance to appoint a Hungarian who escaped after the 1956 Uprising and has done well in America but instead he sold the post the Greek woman who bought the appointment.
Hopefully, Foley will soon leave and her replacement will be more rational.
WCarrington,
We should be nice to BAADSHAH so he will not get mad and go away because we want to have at least one hate mongering Muslim to provide an appearance of balance with the hate mongering Jews.
„A néni mit csinálna, ha minden nap öthen-hatan megvernék?” – cigányterror egy hajdúhadházai iskolában
http://barikad.hu/node/42197
Mindennapossá váltak a verekedések, a lopások, rongálások a hajdúhadházi Bocskai István Két Tanítási Nyelvű Általános Iskolában, mióta szeptemberben – az egy évvel ezelőtti legfelsőbb bírósági ítéletnek megfelelően – meg kellett szüntetniük a Kossuth utcai tagintézményt, ahol addig 198 halmozottan hátrányos helyzetű, zömmel cigány gyermek oktatását végezték. Csak csütörtökön három megvert gyermekről értesítették a Hajdú-Bihari Napló szerkesztőségét a szülők, akik attól való félelmükben, hogy további atrocitások érhetik a családjukat, kérték: nem írja le a lap a nevüket.
Just a reminder to all:
From the state depertment archives
Termination of Mission: Hungary severed diplomatic relations with the United States Dec 11, 1941
Note: Hungary declared war on the U.S., Dec 13, 1941. Pell (American ambassador to Hungary) left post, Jan 16, 1942.
So the new jobo government might want to repeat history ?
Ambassadors and Americans (or both) lecturing other countries on race issues etc. What a joke.
Hungary needs investors money. It therefore has to swallow every indignity these woolly-headed,liberal no-goods throw at it.
Right-wing and extremist parties exist in most countries. Jobbik – love or hate them are by no means “extremist” by comparison. The Magyar Garda like to dress in uniform and hold views compatible with patriots of former times.
They get more respect from me than the spineless governments that in the past twenty years have
torn the heart and soul from Hungary with their useless and inefficient corrupt practices.
@Mark – would a Hungarian who fled in 56 be more loyal to Hungarian or US interests?
US Chiefs of Mission 1994-
April H. Foley, Ambassador 2006-2009
George Herbert Walker III, Ambassador 2003-2006
Nancy Goodman Brinker, Ambassador 2001-2003
Peter F. Tufo, Ambassador 1997-2001
Donald M. Blinken, Ambassador 1994-1997
Looking at the last disgraceful list of US Ambassadors, they harmed American interests in Hungary. They created anti-American feelings with their stupid, insulting and ignorant statements inspired by ant-Hungarian interest groups. Some of these US Ambassadors had no interest in promoting US interests, only in the spreading of lies told them by Hungary’s post-Communist Communist government.
Robert Haris would have been an ideal US Ambassador to Hungary:
http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haris_R%C3%B3bert
Getting back to your question, a Hungarian who fled in 56 would be loyal to real Hungarian and real US interests because it is in America’s best interest to have a strong anti-Communist government in Hungary that Mr. Haris’ appointment would have promoted.
@Mark – since you are not privy to what ‘real’ US strategic interests in Central Europe are or the priorities (which also changes from time to time), it would be very impossible for you to say whether the previous ambassadors did what was expected of them. I know you didn’t like them, but the POTUS’ (and the emissaries they appoint) are not here to please you, or any Hungarian.
Personally, I wouldn’t have chosen Haris. There would be too much potential for conflict of interest. Do you really believe that the US cannot find a single American among its 300m non-Hungarian Americans who is capable of representing US interests in Hungary?
ps. The above anonymous was me.
If you know anything about these appointments, you know that they are not based on merit but on how much you give to the ruling political party. Unfortunately, the State Department does not pay much attention to whom they appoint to small European countries and most of them are useless.
Robert Haris could have been an ideal choice for Hungary but money talks. The truly sad thing about most of these recent appointments that they wanted to come to Hungary not to promote American interests but the interests of Hungary’s Communist government.
It is so sad and so ironic that the same people who not so long ago were America’s enemies and the most loyal supporters of America’s enemy the Soviet Union are now parading around as America’s friends and as defenders of democracy.
In any other time, Bajnai, Gyurcsany, Lendvai, Kovacs and the rest of their ilk would have just as willing to send troops against America as they do when sending troops to Afghanistan to serve America. America’s real interests are in knowing who America’s real friends are and these Communists are not.
They are shameless opportunists going with the current and could turn on America if it served their interests. They do not care about Hungary and they do not care about America.
@Mark – If you look closely, the highest donors are not the ones being appointed, and there are many more donors and fundraisers than positions, so there would be some other criteria for secondary appointments. Are you now saying that when the US appoints an ambassador, it decides to see who is best for the socialist govt rather than the US? That’s a laugh (I can just imagine the confirmation hearings).
I have played a small part in recommending and reviewing the suitability of 3 ambassadors (non-career diplomats) for my country. If Haris were from my country, and he had the capabilities to represent our interests, we would have used him for any other country, and avoided any conflict of interest by sending him to Hungary. Having lived here, it actually makes me wonder if it is possible that he (or other rich Hungarians) are paying people to lobby for him to be appointed. With all the conspiracy theories around, you never know.
You are quite right in observing that interests can change over time.
Just 1 question, if you could pick any non-Hungarian origin person (out of 300m) to be US ambassador to Hungary, who would it be?
@Bob…
You really don’t get it – if you (and maybe some other loonies from Britain and other countries) think EUSSR – I believe one of the Ses stands for Socialist, then there’s nothing more to talk about.
As well if you really believe “Ukraine considered final elimination of its own Hungarian minority” – why don’t you go to the Europian Court with that ?
Like I sai : any sane person reading that type of craziness will know what to think of the jobos…
@Wolfi
You’re so full of bullshit, that it is actually pressing on your brain – so much – that you’re not even posting your replies in the right thread.
Get a grip.
Well “shit happens”, dear Bob, but you did not answer me, whether in this thread nor the other – and anyway jobos are the same everywhere, whether they call themselves BNP or Nazis or whatever..
Wolfi, Takes it up the Ass.. Dooda! Dooda!
Curious George,
I would prefer to appoint a Hungarian but my second choice would be a Polish-American. I like the Polish people. They love freedom and willing to fight for it, just as the Hungarians.
Anyone, with the slightest indication of anti-Hungarian feelings, as the last group of rich clowns, should be automatically disqualified because that person would harm American and Hungarian interests.
I believe that most patriotic Hungarians as well as most patriotic Hungarian-Americans agree with my position.
At least “the last group of rich clowns” as Mark (another jobo idiot ?) calls the US ambassadors to Hungary helped in making Hungary a member of the Visa Waiver Program, so my wife could come with me to the USA and Canada …
@Mark – so, only a Polish or Hungarian American would be suitable to represent US interests in Hungary.
So much for wanting an ambassador based on merit.
Curious George,
You asked me a question and I gave you an answer.
Your question was:
“Just 1 question, if you could pick any non-Hungarian origin person (out of 300m) to be US ambassador to Hungary, who would it be?”
I gave you my preference without saying that it would be the only possibility. You either do not know how to read and write English or simply dishonest to come to your conclusion that I consider “only a Polish or Hungarian American would be suitable to represent US interests in Hungary.”
One of many requirements for a reasoned debate is that the person engaging should maintain some integrity. Misrepresenting my answer indicates that you are not qualified.
@Mark – You specifically named Haris. I simply asked you to choose any person (of non-Hungarian origin) out of 300m possible candidates. You gave me an entire ethnic group, and even justifying this choice by attributing some imagined stereotype you hold about this group. But, at the same time, you’re criticizing the absence of meritocracy in these appointments.
You may be right. Perhaps I’m not qualified for your kind of debate, …..or maybe, your kind of English.
Y’all seem to be about free speech unless it is someone stating their opinion that is different from yours.
@Viking
Still – Why are you so afraid of examples of possible successful integration of Roma?
That *is* your policy anyway, forgot that?
I agree totally. What are they afraid of?
The main concern here is that a foreign ambassador (American that is) dictates other country about abolishing racism. Just because a mixed-race, a Muslim country-educated man is now the president of the USA, does not mean that the country is by any mean, more superior in race/equality matters.
Just look at the Guantanamo Bay, New York slums, and the ethnicity of those visitors/tourists who have to spend much longer in the security checks when entering a US airport. Of course, there are ‘justified’ reasons for these, but still, 80% of those victimised are non-whites.
In the ideal world, if provide those from ethnic-minority wealth, education, protection, role models, etc they will assimilate best with the society. Wrong. If you were an Asian who have lived in a Europe/US, you would know how it feels to be discriminated, no matter how many University Degrees you have. I should know, I am one.
In some other countries (Malaysia, Indonesia) the Chinese descendants are generally well-educated and wealthy. That didn’t help in the 1998 Jakarta riot. Although in both countries, in the daily lives I’ve seen no real racism between races.
Bigots are bigots, no matter what nationality, race and or religion. We need not look any further from our own city, our own country, or for some… even from our own house.
A street gang in Chicago has just battered to death with baseball bats a young, female, British student
for her money.
The gangs in Chicago are now out of control. It is so bad that the government is now considering sending in the army…
And who is lecturing Hungary on its boy scout movement the Magyar Garda?
Viking should wake up to what is going on in the real world. He lives in a goldfish bowl dreaming up false scenarios of supposedly racist thugs in Hungary that simply don’t exist. Unless, of course,
you discount the man himself who is totally anti-magyar. At least that’s the conclusion most people would come to based on the majority of his comments on this forum.
I totally love when people on this site use a single example of a street crime (Roma, Chicago) as evidence of anything useful.
The year is 2010… its incredible that such race-baiting continues to this day. Just remember you racists, time is not on your side. Just as democracy will one day win out, so will enlightenment, and your views forever on display on the internet will shame you for decades to come. So please, let it ALL out, get it out of your system here anonymously until you feel better.
@Jozsef:
You’re so right – just how long will it take for everyone to accept this ?
“Democratisation” is a slow process …