Several leading members of the Hungarian Guard have followed national commissioner István Dósa and resigned from their posts in the far-right paramilitary group, reports Népszabadság. Five top members have left the organization following Saturday’s disappointing demonstrations.
According to the daily, the conflict is largely fuelled by the organization’s connection to Jobbik, a right-wing political party with some affiliation to Fidesz. The formation of the Magyar Garda caused conflict within the party and a public backlash against the Guard and the far-right movement.
Meanwhile, leading anti-government demonstrators online activist Tomcat and kuruc.info webmaster György Budaházy are also at loggerheads, with members of the controversial site’s forum turning on one another.
Always good to see the far right do what they do best, in-fighting and backstabbing. Maybe some of them Jobbiks are starting to realise that having a paramilitary wing that looks like a Topshop retake on the Hitler Youth and inciting Frádi skinheads to smash things up isn’t a great vote winner amongst the majority of right thinking people.
This article is full with lies and disinformation.
Budaházy is the webmaster of kuruc.info??
Where did you managed to get this idiot
information??
And of course Jobbik has so much to do with the
Fidesz. And that’s so important to write now.
Ridiculous.
And in the end, why do you think that the leaving
of these 5 leaders is connected to the events of
Saturday?
Dear Demagogue–do not let liberalism blind you to reality–who do you think really incited “fradi” skins to cause chaos ???? Ask yourself WHO STANDS TO BENEFIT ??? “CUI BONO” ??
Not Jobbik or the Gárda. Unfortunately for you,many people are beginning to wake up,not yet enough but the message is becoming clearer every day !
Cui Bono?
“Fascist violence was neither random nor indiscriminate. It carried a well-calculated set of coded messages: that communist violence was rising, that the democratic state was responding to it ineptly, and that only the fascists were tough enough to save the nation from antinational terrorists. An essential step in the fascist march to acceptance and power was to persuade law-and-order conservatives and members of the middle class to tolerate fascist violence as a harsh necessity in the face of Left provocation. It helped, of course, that many ordinary citizens never feared fascist violence against themselves, because they were reassured that it was reserved for national enemies and “terrorists” who deserved it.”
Robert O. Paxton, “The Anatomy of Fascism” pg. 84
Adrian D –
You fall into the same trap of calling anyone who opposes this regime “Fascist”
Show me one speech,one statement that proves Jobbik are “Fascist” !!
Nationalist and proud yes,but Fascists,neo-nazi’s ??
You do yourself great disservice quoting from such text books in an attempt to justify this regimes criminal actions and lies.
Ricsi,
I never called anyone a fascist, but if the cap fits…
Obviously, Paxton’s analysis hit a nerve.
According to the various conspiracy theories I’ve overheard, participated in and created the current identities of the funders of the rampaging Fradi mob include MSzP, the police, FIDESz, SzDSz, Jobbik, MDF (the fibreboard, not the party), Argentinian neo-Nazis, Brazilian retro-Nazis, evil gay Jews, evil gay Jewish Commie-Nazis, G.Soros, the EU, the UN, the British secret service, Jan Slota, Fábry, Putin and his stuffed bear Medvedev, neo-cons, neo-feds, neo-neo-liberals, Neo (the band), that bloke from the Cillit Bang adverts (Tony Scott I think his name is) and finally liberal ex-pats who post on these sites. That’s why I don’t really care about who’s funding the troublemakers but rather what the various public reactions to them are. Support, fear, derision? That’s what I want to know.
Personally I just think they like fighting and they’ll do it for anyone who promises them a beer and a pack of ciggies at the end of the day. My concern is that the violent hooligans can be bought so easily (me, I’d be angling for a 5% minority in parliament minimum, something like the ‘Beer and Ciggies Coalition’). Such cheap service only encourages the various shady elements of the politisphere to use them as a mob.
Ricsi, you seem to have the inside track on this Jobbik split. What’s happened? Why the exodus from the Gárda? Why are they disappointed at the turn out? Anything to do with the wearing of slightly kinky Boy Scout uniforms putting right thinking people off supporting them?
Adrian D
Your smug reply only satisfies your own vanity–you post an article about fascism on a forum discussing Jobbik and then claim no connection implied ????
Your logic of self denial baffles me !
Just be honest–you think any one with right leaning sympathies is a fascist ,NO ????
Demagogue,
You have a sense of humour,I like that !!
You are so right about how easily these yobs are bought off,but on one thing I can 100% assure you-it was not by Jobbik.
As for the internal “fall out” ,a party that wants to go totally professional and have an EU representative must think over all its activities and its images-not everybody will be happy as a result—more than that I can’t say just yet but I am looking into this.
Ricsi,
My post was provocative, I agree. But as too
“you think any one with right leaning sympathies is a fascist ,NO ????”
You’re right, “no!”.
I regard myself as a conservative. I would like to know more about the causes of political violence in Hungary. I’m open minded over the issue of provocation by people sympathetic to the MSZP. Given the cynicism of politics in Hungary, it’s possible.
But do you have any evidence: people in the crowd involved in starting violence with known connections to the MSZP?
I agree with Paxton’s analysis to the extent that the majority of people – whereever they live – want civil order, and are preapared to abandon democracy in exchange for that public good.
As to what is happening in Hungary now: I don’t know. Civil disroder suits anti-democaratic forces of both left and right. Gyurcsány is definitely exploitating the civil disorder that Hungarians are so unfamiliar with, but that is not the same thing as planting agent provocateurs in the crowd. Do you have any hard evidence that this is being done?
Adrian D
Thanks for your honest reply,I respect you for that.
As for your question ,no I do not have any hard evidence,but what I can assure you with absolute conviction is that Jobbik did not arrange/pay for those hooligans out to cause trouble.
Nice to have a civil debate !
Ricsi, all extreme leaning parties have members who differ in their means to achieve their goals. Even if you personally controlled the purse strings of Jobbik, you would be in no position to authoritatively claim that that Jobbik did not pay the hooligans. Other elements within Jobbik could have done that (which, as far as the public is concerned, Jobbik is the sponsor).
Ricsi, my Jobbik friends call themselves ‘facsists’, they have Mussolini on the wall. They adore him and his Italian followers.
As I wrote some years ago, when I got hold of some clothes from Magyar Garda, they were marked with “Italian design”, so even that they copy.
You who seem to be inside Jobbik, because you claim to know what their leaders do and think, can ask Vona Gabor which book inspired him to create the Magyar Garda? Was it not the book about the founder of the Italian Blackshirts? This organisation later Hitler modelled his SA on, but Mussolini was very much first in many things. That is why he is adored by ‘some’ inside Jobbik.
I also wrote around the Gay Parade in 2007 about meetings taken place between Jobbik organizers and some groups trying to organise these football-hooligans better to use them as an attack force in political situations. Of course this failed.
To be honest I do not think that Jobbik actually controls the mob, not that they do not want to do it, it is just that the limited control that exist is done by Toroczkai László, HVIM. Being the guy behind the attack of the MTV-house and inspired many rioters, he is the guy Jobbik cannot control. He is also the guy whom the hooligans respect, he has an impressive record of going around in the old Greater Hungary stiring up protests here and there. He has done this for 10 years or so and has a real hard core of followers of a few 100s, but he will never reach outside the few believers.
Viking
Then your Jobbik friends are not true Jobbik !
Well, they have direct access to Vona Gabor (President of Jobbik). Maybe you do not know all the 2-5.000 members of Jobbik? My friends are on the higher level of Jobbik and they do not share all the views that the current leadership promotes, but they are still members and have been that for several years, responsible for some of the success Jobbik has had.
Like any other (political) organisations there are a lot of different opinions, some based on real difference over politics, some on tactics, some just personal. Jobbik has swallowed much of MIEP, do you really think that all previous MIEP-members and currently Jobbik-members were good democrats and nationalists?
Do you have any example that Jobbik thrown out any members because they want to have a ‘fascist society a la Mussolini’ or promotes non-democratic views?
Will not Morvai, the future Jobbik MEP, be in the same party group as Alexandra Mussolini, grand-daughter to a well-known Italian dictator. Like her grand-father she has a clear fascist ideology.
Dear Viking
You misunderstood, I was been sarcastic only…
Of course every party will have members with different opinions,be it “tactical or personal”.
The challenge is not to let the “real extremists” dominate a new party,and I also agree that the MIEP guys bring many pre-set ideas.
Best wishes, got to go–its the Pécsi wine festival now !!!!