Ferenc Gyurcsany and hungarian government messing up with internal affairs in Slovakia is just trying to cover up serious problems and bancrupcy occuring in Hungary. He would do better handling problems with extreme forces in Hungary. Magyar garda and Jobbik party should have been dissolved long time ago.

vdx
You started of so positively by highlighting the reality,then you turned on Gárda and Jobbik -Why ?
You admit the present elite are in the wrong so you encourage them to be even harder against fellow Hungarians, illogical-but exactly what the Gyurcsány criminals love to hear.

Open your eyes to reality,see who is trying to make a real difference instead of encouraging yet more violence.

I'm not a Hungarian at first. And I don't understand how paramilitary and extremistic organisation with strictly nationalistic agenda crossing international borders is going to help you against violence and how is it going to make a difference in your country. We would never allow such mobilisation of extreme forces in Slovakia so they could walk in thousands in our streets. And how does it help against violence when members of these organisations chase and kill Romas all over your country and openly present sympathy to fascism?

vdx-
It's hypocrite to say that Hungary should be dealing with the Magyar Garda and the Jobbik, while Slovakia's politics are still hand in hand with the Jan Slota's Slovak National Party and their ideology deeply seated within the Slovak Parliament. Jobbik and the Magyar Garda are nationalists and radical-right, but beside being a propaganda outside the Hungarian parliament, they have no seats neither role in politics, unlike the Slovak Government. Perhaps Slovakia should be looking at itself, because while someone point a finger at someone else, your other 4 finger is pointing at you.

Could some intelligent person explain the difference between Jan Slota's Slovak National Party and Jobbik, except that they do not love each other. That is obvious.

Both are Radical Nationalistic Parties that push 'their' group against the rest of the world. How are they ever going to be neighbors?

I do not share the view that political opinions, even 'bad' such, should be banned/dissolved. They should be defeated in open debate. They fear the light and thrive in the dark.

Vajk, Viking
ok, i see your views are quite deformed. There are several major differences between SNS a Jobbik. Slota and SNS might use national agenda, but they're all rather populists. And they're definitely not extremists. It would be unbelievable to imagine SNS organising antihungarian protest when hungarian flag would be burned. When 2 years ago an organisation Slovenska Pospolitost, which is slovak couterpart of hungarian Magyar Garda (see http://sk.metapedia.org/wiki/Obr%C3%A1zok:Pochod-sp-cernova-2005.jpg) tried to forme a political party, Slota initiated its dissolution and Fico refered of them as to the group of lunatics. In Hungary on the contrary similar lunatics in uniforms marche in thousands and Jobbik party is their founder.

sorry, here's that picture and video included so you can compare your Magyar Garda to something it should really be compared to. Hope you realize the difference now.

http://sk.metapedia.org/wiki/Obrázok:Pochod-sp-cernova-2005.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2x7NkezUuU

vdx, thanks for the links. Yes, they are more like the Magyar Garda, even if their style is more German and give some nazi-vibes.

Magyar Garda is more Italian, modelled as they are on Mussolini's Blackshirts. If you check the inside of a Magyar Garda uniform it says 'Italian Design Made in PRC', rather funny.

So Slota would be Slovakia's answer to Orban Viktor? Populist, that when needed like to say some Nationalistic slogans?

yes, just his agenda is national, he's not really capable offering alternative besides that. and his preference potential is rather limited, it won't cross 15 percent. Slota is permanently one of the most unpopular slovak politicians. Not just because of his vocabulary, but because of his entire behaviour which is quite primitive.

VDX, no what really should be banned is the Matrica Slovenska for its racist views. Tell me, has the Slovak government given the Hungarian minority its full share of the Education Grant (the grant was provided by the European Union and not the Slovak Government)yet? Interesting , how the Slovak minority schools in Hungary had the grants passed on immediately and the Hungarian schools in Slovakia have not received a dime! The ouster of Slovak representation at the European Council of Democratic Nations proves how racist the Slovak government is. Why don't the Slovaks ever elect intelligent sane politicians?(yes I know that sane intelligent politicians are hard to come by through out the world!!) I know that there are a few out there. The Hlinka Gaurd cronies you have in power give Slovaks and Slovakia a bad name.

edward,
What problem do you have with Matica slovenska? Matica slovenska is cultural institution and slovak depository library. Not an extremist political party.
Hungarian schools are obviously spoiled after what former government fell back to magyar coalition party and prefered hungarian minority schools over slovak schools. During years until 2006 more that 50% of eurogrant went to hungarian minority programs. They didn't even know what to use them for so they organised such idiotisms as revealing turul statues or tasting hungarian wines. While slovak school were in desperate need of finances. Now hungarian schools have had their opportunity too. To participate on competition to receive euro grants like every other school.
Don't try to compare that doles that slovak schools receive in Hungary with finances and support going to minority programs in Slovakia. Hungarian minority programs are charity comparing to slovak support. It's funny how no one has problems with slovak politicians except Magars, that doesn't need any commentary.

“It's funny how no one has problems with slovak politicians except Magars, that doesn't need any commentary.”

How one can respect another country if they are not respecting their own? Remembrance Day ’56 is a good example, Magars against Magars?

vdx
Discounting all the other rubbish you wrote,one thing stands out and so I must demand of you-- PLEASE STATE ONE INCIDENT IN WHICH GÁRDA OR JOBBIK CHASED AND KILLED ROMA ! Just ONE incident will suffice---until then ,get real.

Ricsi,
no problem, at your request.

4.11.2008, 2 Romas attacked with petrol bombs and subsequently shooted in the village of Nagycsecse, Borsod-Abauj-Zemplen County.
link:
http://www.budapesttimes.hu/content/view/9830/219/

citation of Janos Bogdan, spokeman of The National Gypsy Authority:
Bogdan said the Gypsy Authority was initiating a meeting with the national police chief and justice minister. He called on county investigators to find the perpetrators as quickly as possible because "while people like that are free, no Gypsy can be safe in Hungary."

vdx,
Nice try. Did you read the article? Guess not.
It says: "The National Gypsy Authority firmly believes the action was racially motivated".
There's an unbiased opinion.
The gypsy authority should encourage gypsies to act more civilized instead ot running around blaming white folks.
Even if this particular shooting was "racially motivated", the gypsies probably got what was coming to them, you can only terrorize people so much before they get fed up with it.
Where's your proof for Garda or Jobbik involvement?

Stan:
in fact i noticed that incident some days ago, instead of you. and i read the article very well. That incident bears genuine signature of hungarian extreme forces, which is uniformed and armed Magyar Garda and Jobbik party. Roma problem is the part of their agenda.

"Even if this particular shooting was "racially motivated", the gypsies probably got what was coming to them, you can only terrorize people so much before they get fed up with it."

very well, so you say that's just a way you prefer handling problems in Hugary. Most eloquent, but that's now the way we handle problems in Slovakia. You should notice that.

vdx,
What are you talking about?
"That incident bears genuine signature of hungarian extreme forces, which is uniformed and armed Magyar Garda and Jobbik party."

Maybe the Garda is "uniformed" but you are "uninformed" about the armed part.
I'd rather wait for some proof before making any accusations based on a hunch.

As far as I know, Slovaks are a lot tougher on gypsies than Hungarians. The gypsy problem exists, whether we choose to ignore it or not.
There's no easy solution, throwing money and limitless tolerance on the issue only makes it worse. Maybe the good Hungarian activists ought to take a break once in a while and give the police some time to catch criminals instead of chasing and beating protesters all the time. Our justice system should not be so lenient either.

Now let me throw in more of my bones here.

The Magyar Garda, the Jobbik, the Slota and SNS are actually symptoms of sick politics. Like when you catch a plague and you got rashes developing on your skin.
The question about their formation and trying to ask the question "Why do we have people like this" or "How could people go this far", lies in much deeper roots, than just football hooligans or bored kids trying to do something.
It's the wrong political ideology and failed government "half-assed" system that brought us this sharp opposition, not only between nations, but within the nations between various people. If we need to blame someone or something for the current problems, the real culprit is the governments themselves. They failed us , swept the problems under the rug or tried to suppress it with force and now all this bubbling up to the surface.
It is stereotyping to put all Slovaks into the same boat, same deal with the Magyars, since opinions differs from individual to individual. Nobody has the same opinion, I hope I don't need to prove this.
So just to get to the point, the "radicals" whom grown rapidly in the past years have been used by the government itself, to try to steer the blame and take the attention away from the real problems. It worked before, in the Soviet system, as well as for Adolf Hitler.
Same stuff, different people.
There you go.

Stan,
Magyar garda trains its members in using weapons. What else are you waiting for? So these lunatics wouldn't marche just in those nazi uniforms but with rifles over their shoulders? Then will you finally admit they're armed?
And yes, the problem lies in your justice which is too liberal, but not the way you're saying. In Slovakia any expressions of sympathy towards fascism (e.g. actions directed to repress humans right and liberties) are strictly prohibited by the law.

vdx,
Only a fascist regime would ban free speech. Beware of your government.

As for the garda, I've never seen them carrying any weapons, so I have no reason to believe what you say. We would not even have the Garda if we had a decent government. We are being robbed daily by the corrupt "elite" on the top and by the out-of-control gypsies on the bottom. Should we just take it forever or try to do something about it?

Vajk,
i won't judge hungarian goverment, nor current, nor former, i'm not a Hungarian. It's up to you. Of course in Slovakia we understand that increasing support for extremist forces in Hungary is the result of bad governing. But still, it's highly inappropriate to compare slovak SNS to Magyar garda or Jobbik party. In Slovakia these kinds of organisations are under strict supervision (see my link up to Slovenska pospolitost). And they have practically none influence on social events in Slovakia.

Stan,
my answer to Vajk is also my answer to you, i'm not the judge of hungarian goverment. Still slovak government has to react if actions croos international borders. There are not and can't be any restriction on free speech in Slovakia, it's against our constitution, i was talking about movements repressing humant rights, specifically fascism. Fascism isn't forbidden in Hungary, in Slovakia it is. Magyar garda declares to train its members to use weapons, it's part of its programme.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttwjGdaZ1Nk

Looks like a blatent hate crime by the slovakian police to me!

No, NJMagyar, it is Police clearing out one of the stands. Whatever reason it was for that it does not qualify as a "hate crime". If you check other videos you will wee that the section to the left also consists of Hungarians. They were allowed to stand there. Also they did do nothing to stop the Police.

The Police have the right to use force, the other party has the right to follow Police order. That is it.

Or do you suggest that the Slovak Police also committed "a blatent hate crime" when they clashed with Polish football supporters 2 weeks earlier? The same footballs supporters that were said on Hungarian websites would come down and support the Slovaks on this match? That is why about 1.000 core Hungarian hooligans came to the match. Something is not adding up with this setup.

vdx

Are you really so stupid or just acting ???
I said " show me one source where GÁRDA or JOBBIK were running around killing Gypsies"
Do you now who is now the prime suspect behind this now known to be deliberate "execution" ?? It is now believed by the Police to be a fellow Gypsy,money lender/shark !!
No right wing connection at all so it would seem.
Please keep up to date .

That's all just the consequence of benevolent hungarian legal system.
28 hungarian neo-fascists crossed slovak-hungarian border yesterday and were arrested. They were charged of the promotion of extremism, the groups suppressing basic rights and freedoms, the detained persons face between half-year and 3 years in prison.
http://www.tasr.sk/30.axd?k=20081108TBB00244