Both Hungary and Slovakia should try and rein in the extreme nationalists in their countries, Hungary’s Foreign Minister Kinga Goncz told journalists on Monday, after meeting her Slovak counterpart Jan Kubis in Brussels.
She added that the Slovak side appeared to show understanding and was perhaps willing to begin a dialogue.
“Everybody is hurt if extremists determine Hungarian-Slovak relations, so both sides should try and rein in the extreme nationalists,” Goncz said.
Kubis will visit Budapest for talks on December 15, Goncz said.
“We are trying to establish channels so that all emerging problems may be addressed,” Goncz said.
Goncz said that Kubis had told her there is considerable concern in Slovakia regarding the appearance of Hungarian extremism, and that she in turn told Kubis that Hungarians for the past two and a half years have had to contend with anti-Hungarian remarks made by Slovak National Party leader Jan Slota. She added that while the Hungarian government condemns the weekend events in Kralovsky Chlmec, Slovakia, namely the march of extremists from Hungary in uniforms that violated the ban on the use of totalitarian symbols, Slota’s party is part of the Slovak government coalition.
Goncz also noted that either there were differences between Slovak and Hungarian laws or in the application of the laws, allowing much more of a hardline approach there in cases when in Hungary safeguarding freedom of expression is stronger.
She added that a single official summit would not resolve the problems in bilateral relations and that “continuous dialogue is needed on all levels.”
“Goncz also noted that either there were differences between Slovak and Hungarian laws or in the application of the laws, allowing much more of a hardline approach there in cases when in Hungary safeguarding freedom of expression is stronger.”
Mrs. Goncz and hungarian representatives are quite deluded about the meaning of freedom of expression. The correct naming of this “freedom” in Hungary is Anarchy.
Safeguarding freedom of expression…beautiful nonsense…there is one country in Europe and one country alone where they have mass gatherings of uniformed racist storm troopers: Hungary.
Kinga G.: I am not trying to be mean or something but she IS a bit odd, isn’t she? I hear she’s a bit of a joke in Slovakia….
McGregorics
Uniformed racist storm troopers ??? OH !! You mean those ordinary men and women,boys and girls who are proud of this country . storm troopers ??-you have been watching too many war films, racist ??? point me to examples please.
Your comments about Kinga Göncz was at least accurate.
That’s the thanks we get from Slovaks.
We spent a thousand years trying to teach them to walk on their hind legs, come down from the trees and live in houses, like humans.
We also tried to teach them manners, but apparently we failed.
No wonder the highly intelligent Czech didn’t want anything to do with the Slovaks, and kicked them out the first chance they got.
Czechs are great people, they gave the world Kafka, Hasek, Capek, Hrabal, Dvorak, Smetana, Menzel, Forman, Herzigova and Nemcova, just to name a few.
What did the Slovaks contribute? Slota?
Bunch of primitive cowards. They see 20 unarmed Hungarians and immediately soil their diapers and cry for help.
I don’t like Slovaks as much as I used to…
Now, Now STAN, lets not get too bitter and start name calling , there are good people in Slovakia and everywhere,just that the Slovaks (Hitlers willing allies between 1939 and 1944 by the way !!) are unable to accept that they occupy parts of another peoples land.
There is no other society in Europe which is so retarded in terms of political concepts like Magyaristan.
Trianon…yes….Trianon….one of the world’s most brilliant peace treaties….maybe a bit too generous to the Magyars…
I guess the Trianon psychosis is some sort of “Mad Magyar Disease”…in Britain, they had it in cows a couple of years ago….
McWhatshisname,
You are a pathetic mental midget.
All bark, no teeth.
http://www.politics.hu/20081111/foreign-minister-says-both-hungary-and-slovakia-should-rein-in-extremists#c4
Now now Staney baby
Here you were calling a whole fellow Eurpean nation a “Bunch of primitive cowards.”
And now you’re reigning in extremists, hmmmmm???
The Magyar psyche …. mystery over mystery over mystery…..
I guess the Slovakians just don’t know how chauvnist and racist their government is.
It’s known worldwide, here:
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Slota is frequently criticized for his arrogance and nationalism. Most of the media attention Slota receives is because of statements that frequently cross the line not just of political but also human decency. Slota says he is protecting Slovaks, especially those living in southern Slovakia. According to Der Spiegel Slota said the best policy for Romani was “a long whip in a small yard.”[2][1] He is quoted to say ‘we will sit in our tanks and destroy Budapest’[2] and questioning if homosexuals are normal people [6]. He is also quoted to say that Slavic blood had civilised the ugly, Mongolic Hungarians[2] and associated homosexuals with pedophiles [7]. He believes 200 members of the Hungarian intelligence are spying in Slovakia[8]. Slota said that the country’s ethnic Hungarian minority “are a cancer in the body of the Slovak nation.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%A1n_Slota
Hi there,
I am slovakian by heart and half hungarian by blood, born and raised in Komarno (Komarom), I have great respect for the country.
And believe you me, some of you here know f*ck all about the real status quo down south. Hungarian schools in south slovakia are in perfect shape whilst the slovakian ones look like after a civil war, so the donations have been given to those who need it. Trust me, it is not the hungarians.
The only people who hate hungarians are the followers of Slota, and they have probably never seen or talked to somebody from HU. And trust me on this, everybody is ashamed of Slota. We are just very unfortunate to have Mr.Fico, who formed a coalition with SNS, and is a proper fool himself.
But when I read what has been written here, by the likes of Stan, it really pisses me off. I mean aren’t you people bored of using the trianon card every bloody time? What will you gain? You personally will NOT FEEL the difference. The hungarians living in slovakia do not care if they belong to hungary or not. And the majority of the hungarians in HU don’t care about the hungarians abroad, this was proven in the referendum you had 2 years ago(?) about the ‘Magyar Igazolvany’ or what was it called.
All this talk of the ‘Great Hungary’ do you not see how radiculous you are? Should the Italians cry about the Roman Empire? Should we, about Samo’s Empire? No. You should not either.
Nick says: “I am slovakian by heart and half hungarian by blood”.
How do you live with yourself?
Stan:
obviosly, he’s fine. Unlike you he doesn’t live in desilusional state of reminiscences of medieval kingdom.
Living just fine Stan. It is called being open-minded, multicultural, liberal, intelligent…call it anything you like.
Waiting for your aggressive comments to follow…
@Nick
I call it stupidity! get real! all this Liberal nonsense, it’s lead us into the chaos were in today!
We spent a thousand years trying to teach them to walk on their hind legs, come down from the trees and live in houses, like humans.
We also tried to teach them manners, but apparently we failed.
Nice example of extremist thinking… thank you. WE FAILED. I dont think you would have anything to do with good manners…
Oh yes, hot paprika, let’s hate each other because that is very smart!
None of the hungarians I know are less friendly towards me and vice versa.
It is you and the likes of you that should get real.
Actually, this tension must be the higlight of your life, you can finally shine can’t you!
See the sad thing is, in a couple of years after puberty is done with you and you are really lucky you realize how wrong you were, and you will spend living the rest of your life being ashamed of the arsehole you were. Imagine your child marrying a foreigner…whoo haa! All hell breaks lose!
@nick
since when do you represent all the Magyars in Felvidek?
You honestly think the lies being taught and promoted by the Slovaks are being supported by the educated people who are aware of the Truth? It’s the stupid who are supporting the Slovak Regime who is manipuilating the population, and it seems you are amongst the Brainwashed!!
Hotpaprika – being from that region, having friends and relatives on both sides I can honestly say I see more into these things than you do sir.
You are are the brainwashed one, although in your case it seems there was nothing to wash…
Here’s an idea, watch a nice movie called American History X
@Nick
I have and it’s a propaganda film, has nothing to do with this argument, it’s a fictious movie!! It’s not the Truth!! What a silly example to quote this movie!!
I am not the Radical you are, wake up!
Nick try a real documentries example very moving film and a true story!
“Adjátok vissza a hegyeimet”-egy film Wass Albert
Children! Behave!
This entire discussion is proving Ms. Goncz’s point…extremism fucks us ALL over. And makes us look like bloody idiots.
Ok mum , but where are the extremists? This is what the tabloids are trying to achieve, innocent unarmed soccer fans are bashed to death and the Hungarians are the labeled the extremists?? soon anyone who says Trianon will get locked up, this is what the elite is trying to achieve, why can’t the slovak’s who don’t know the real cause of the tension accept the truth? It cant be swept under the carpet, it’s too big a deal, they achieved this territory through lies which reminds me of the dickhead running Hungary is full of lies so the slovak’s and him make a great partnership!
Product of hungarian brainwashing campaign.
Video “advertisement” published on some radical hungarian sites including one hungarian internet TV:
http://tvnoviny.sk/spravy/svet/madari-inzeruju-slovensko-nikdy-nebolo-republikou.html
@VD well it seems you cant handle the Truth! No point debating this because you believe a different version, you believe the lie that has been taught to you, God help you and your misinformed public!
VD by the way, your like a rash that wont go away , you should go get medical treatment!
Hotpaprika,
thank you for you advice, but you already recommended me medical treatment once. I would suggest the same to you. You just didn’t say a word about that video. It’s exemplar manipulating masterpiece.
Hotpaprika, I never said the movie was about a real event. It was purely an example of a sick ideology and how the main character realised what a fool he was. But nevermind that.
I like how you say ‘The Truth’, and the way you present yourself…you are blaming me for being brainwashed but in fact, you are the perfect example of it.
I guess this is why Hungary is in such a deep economic mess, because there are people like you, obstacles in progress.
You are giving bad name to the majority of the Hungarian population. Because I doubt that they are like you.
What’s wrong with you anyways, you have yet failed to give any sensible explanation towards your hatred.
What happened in DS was an appropriate action, your police force would do the same thing. You make it look like the beating was on little girls or poor old people who were just enjoying the game and suddenly that big bad slovakian policeman came and kicked the shit out of them…
But you know it wasn’t like that…those beatings were not on poor old helpless men nor on little children, those beatings were on a bunch of dangerous football hooligans. On an angry mob. Nuff said.
But I don’t want to take away your ‘Truth’ because what/who would you blame for everything bad in your life then?
BTW that video that vdx posted is hilarious, very dangerous, but hilarious! I guess it was done by ‘smart’ people for ‘smart’ people just like yourself
I will just add that hungarian version of “Truth” is the very elastic one. On the one hand they don’t have problems highlighting “one thousand years of glorious hungarian history” and on the other hand they don’t have problems stating that “grand-mother of my mother was Slovak” (see man talking in the video).
It’s just like a history for a Magyar begins in the moment of his magyarization (assimilation) and before that moment all there existed, was one big black hole. So that before hungarian nomades came to Europe one thousand years ago, there was no one living here, just apes climbing over trees and aborigines living in cages. All just began with arrival of Magyars.
Vdx, why are you immediately going back to History to justify the present?
What is this obsession with Hungarian History living around Hungary?
Look. Hungarians live here, accept it. Hungarians accept that Slovakians live up there today and speak a different language. And yet anywhere I go, I see nothing else (Romanian, Slovakian, Serbian) is to attack the Hungarians and talk about the Hungarian history in a negative light.
Tell us, what is that bothers you so much about our History, because it’s really a sickness today.
munkacsy,
I was going little bit to history only to clarify two measures that Hungarians favor when confronted to some facts. Because when going deeper and deeper to history, Hungarians seem to lost their track after some time. Not just on individual level. For example if we go before 900 AD hungarian society suffer from group amnesia.
But frankly it’s quite absurd to me when I hear talking of pure Hungarians or pure Slovaks in the region which has been so typical of ethnical and cultural exchange for long centuries.
I have absolutely no problems with Hungarians or Hungary and I don’t doubt the vast majority of Hungarians accept Slovaks, but there are obviously some groups that don’t share this opinion. And they’ve been heard quite loudly lately. Or don’t you think it’s a little strong coffe when groups or Hungarians drive their cars plastered with maps of great Hungary over Slovakia or any other adjacent country in the region? Or waving old hungarian flags on stadiums? There are some of them even on this forum. Slovaks are not offensive, slovak position is defensive, it has always been defensive. As well as that of Serbs or Romanians, I’m quite sure of it.
I agree vdx..but you have to understand, that what you read in the news about radicals and comments, does not represent the silent majority of Hungary.
Some sympathize with one or another group or party, just because they have no idea about the true intentions, but most of them just watch in awe and think about what in the hell is happening.
vdx, let’s not forget that however obnoxious the football fans may have been, and whatever incendiary slogans they may have been chanting, they were UNARMED and thus not terribly “dangerous.” Attacking an unarmed person is unethical and immoral no matter if the unarmed person is waving a cheap Arpad flag or yelling “nem, nem, soha” or whatever.
mariska: that is absolutely true, but this also doesen’t mean they were beaten for the fact they were hungarians. if there are doubts, it should be investigated, but not on “they have beaten hungarians” basis but as “they have beaten people”. that is the difference in reaction an undeveloped and a developed nations. seeing someone first as hungarian and second as a human is a sign of very dangerous thinking.
Ok, hear some facts from USA. I’m telling you this after close to 20years living in USA.
Those people who immigrated from Europe, this is what you’d see.
Romanians, Slovakians, Serbians,Polish Hungarians live in peace they couldn’t care less about the differences, matter of fact they rejoin here, since we are a minority, compared to the South American/Spanish/English/German/ immigrants.
-My father’s best friend was a Czech-American
-One of our everyday visitor is a Romanian.
-My mother’s business frequent customers are Jewish.
-A guy who helped me with business is a Slovakian, here is what he said to me:
“When I’m in Slovakia, I speak English, when I’m in Hungary, I speak English. When I’m in USA, I speak slovak to slovaks, I speak Hungarian to Hungarians, english to americans. He said, he had it and ashamed that he has to do this to keep away from the rest.
He speaks all 3 languages fluently.
It just shows you, whatever goes on in Europe, regardless of which country, we feel ashamed here, even deny our origin. It’s said, that it’s the 21st century, the people equally struggle from the falling economy and the best thing the people will do is to go at each other’s throat.
Thats fine so everyone is civilesed and happy, then Hungary can ask back it’s stolen lands without any fight, problem solved thanks for sharing this experience.
Hotpaprika, how about first fixing the situation in CsonkaMagyarorszag? Can’t even govern the 1/3 of the remaining land, how would they ever be able to deal with the other 2/3?
Thanks for admitting that this is 1/3 of the land belonging to Hungary, once we have the rest of the 2/3 we will have the resources to create wealth with ease! Touché
Now go to bed you have to get up early to milk the cows!
I would react to the article, not necessarily to the comments. The differences between extremism in Hungary and in Slovakia is that extremism and ultra-nationalism is in the government in Slovakia, while this is not the case in Hungary, where even Le Pen style maniacs have zero parlamentary support. (In percentage unmeasurable.) This one has to keep in mind when _comparing_ Hungary to other countries. Example: Slota’s (who is IN GOVERNMENT) statements (1) Hungarians are cancer tumors in the country (2) Going by tank to Budapest (3) St. Steven is a clown with a horse. Morover, such incidents as arresting a highschool teacher in Bratislava for illegally guiding his _own_ students, or the scandal about the beating up a Hungarian woman, to which Fico and all the idiots presented their opinion before the investigation finished. Even the Slovak press uncovered the forgery of Police and all the dirtiness on this issue.
IN CONTRAST: IN HUNGARY THERE ARE NOT EVEN REMOTELY SIMILAR ISSUES CONCERNING STATE SPONSORED HATE. DID ANY OF THE GOVERNMENT POLITICIANS EVER SAY SUCH THINGS?
This is the minor difference. One more remark:
http://dokmz.wordpress.com/2007/10/28/slovak-president-praises-controversial-nationalist-priest/
“” Slovak President Ivan Gasparovic praised a controversial pre-WWII politician and Catholic priest Andrej Hlinka, who once described himself as the “Slovak Hitler” “”
THIS GUY IS ON THE Slovak 1000 Crown bill.
*** THE END ***
munkacsy, you’re right, I understand that. When confronted to broader circumstances it’s said that even the greatest enemies can become allies. Especially when realize they face some much greater enemy. This can be observed everywhere. E.g. Slovak PM Fico before elections in 2006 said he would never enter in government with V. Meciar and the formula “HZDS minus Meciar is sacred to him”. But after realizing the only way for him to forme a government is to cooperate with Meciar, he changed his opinion quite fast. It works among individuals, groups, nations, cultures, etc. Going to the last stage I’m sure even USA, Russia or China would be able to find common ground and cooperate when Earth would become a subject of alien invasion from Space:)
But to go back to Earth again, even here in Europe we have much greater problems that just to spin out permanently over the last couple centuries of history. We have Islam here knocking on the door for example, that’s the most actual problem and threat and not just to our region, but to entire Europe.
Mariska,
you’re not correct however. They came armed for streetfight. Just before the match police confiscated plenty of boxers, sticks and cutting weapons. See
http://aktualne.centrum.sk/domov/politika/foto.phtml?id=957747&cid=1168016
http://aktualne.centrum.sk/domov/politika/foto.phtml?id=957748&cid=1168016
This action was against hooligans on both sides and not against Hungarians. However I can agree that police intervention was bungled. The police should have secured exits before action and not rely on drunk some gate-keeper to open the gate.
The whole problem is that it was politized. And not by slovak side. A month ago there was similar intervention during slovak-polish soccer match and there was no sign of politization so far. Just search “Polish hools in Slovakia” on youtube.
SWEETPOTATO: allright then… you claim your 2/3? You know, that Hungary from 1918 doesen’t exist anymore. That H was a part of AH a multi-national country where austrians played the first violine and we “butatot-s” were also a part of it as well as you. That H has with this one, we know at present time, in common only the name, nothing else at all. And one more thing, if you are all so obsessed with the history why you don’t start in the age of celts, romans or germans? Why your memory starts where it is good for you? Grow up finally, get over it and lets start to think in a modern way. Yhe longer you will cry on the past, the deeper you will sink.
If a foreigner wants to understand why many people talk in Hungary about Trianon, it must be noticed that the whole topic is a way transforming today’s serious problems into a historical issue. In reality, the problem is not that “they took our land, but it is ours.” The problem is, that there are Hungarians living there _now_ under very difficult circumstances. Thus, an instinctive reaction is to take back these lands, since, frankly, the other solutions are even less likely, if one knows these countries. But the point is not, that we have to seriously argue about the possibility of such a changing of the map. The point is to realize how large effect Trianon had both on Hungarian and non-Hungarian population. E.g., in Transilvania the standard of living now is the fraction of the level of Hungary, also for the Romanians. This is after 80 years. It is true also for most of other former parts of Hungary. But, for example, nobody wants back the pieces from Austria. Why? Because (1) people live well, (2) while Hungarians were assimilated and they did not have much choice, they were not harrased.
C’mon Beluskam… I am coming from a mixed H/S land. I am slovakian, speaking perfectly hungarian (this is an english speaking forum), my girlfriend is hungarian, my friends are hungarian, so i can ask: What are you talking about?? “very difficult circumstances”? Bullshit (excuse my french). Some hungarians themselves are already fedup with all this chest-beating i tell you. Why is this so importand today, in world without borders? Doesen’t make sense don’t you think? I understand your worries, as a part of the government is a nationalist party, but nothing (apart from stupid talks of the drunken leader) has happened so far. It’s a shame you can’t understand our language, and you dont understand what people write on the Slov. forums. You would be surprised how differently from your image about slovakians are most of people in S. thinking. You know, i know the hungarian mentality quite well. My opinion is, you look down to other nations for some reason and you like to showing-off. The second thing caused your economic situation. Now is time to pay for things you couldn’t afford, but you couldn’t resist to have. And some people can’t bare that countries which you always looked down to are doing better at the moment.
@Clive, why debate? your views have been tarnished by the Slovak education system, poltics, propaganda and media, your behaving as if we Hungarians are a stupid race, Hungarians are the ones that have had there History and people oppressed, your whole system has stolen from the Hungarians, your living a fantasy with your whole understanding of Hisotry and politics, so dont waste your time trying to convince Bela or other Hungarians who are aware of the truth, you wont change there minds, go chat to on your Slovak forums where they understand your small mindedness!
Don’t know about other countries. But in Slovakia, there are no difficult circumstances for the hungarian minority. The schools are in perfect conditions, in almost every shop down south it is more common that the till person will speak better hungarian than slovak, look at the town of Komarno, it has been beautifully restored with the funding of SMK.
Some of you people have no idea what you talkin’ about. The information you have on hungarians living abroad is greately biased.
Yes, there are the occasional drunken talks which by now should be ignored by every sensible human. But nothing else.
What happened with the student in Nitra is a real shame, but you can’t blame the whole population of the country because some nationalist idotic slovakian person beat her up, that would be just nonsense. I don’t judge the hungarian population just because hotpaprika has idiotic adolescent comments.
A bunch of ill-minded people don’t represent the whole country. One or two ill-minded politicians don’t represent the views of the slovakian citizens.
I don’t blame hungary of this situation, because I know that the TRUTH, yes hotpaprika I used your word, the truth is – this tension was caused by these ill-minded people on both sides of the border.
I would like to react to statements saying that in Slovakia everything is OK, moreover, that Hungarians as such are thinking this and that. The point is, that general statements like this JUST DO NOT MAKE SENSE. One has to compare the two countries, based on important, well-known (not invented) facts. I did this in my previous comment. If you think, that in the British, French, German, Spanish government there could be a person who says that part of the country is a cancer tumor AND STAY IN POWER, or put a person like Hlinka on a bank note then please tell me.
These countries can function in the long run because they do not have such things. Concerning Slovakia, clearly there must be some self-delusion of considerable part of the people if this can happen. Here I stress, I do not say, that Slovaks are this or that, because once a Slovak did this and that to me. Of course, this approach is quite biased. But if you do not see serious problems concerning Slovakia in what I wrote in my previous comment and you find it unimportant then this just means, that you are strongly biased. Again, why Sarkozy does not say that Germans at the border are cancer tumor?
Sweetpotato: I am not trying to convince anyone here, i am not that naive. You are talking rubbish again mate, sorry… My education ended in early 90′s, before Slovakia became independent. Propaganda? media??? I AM LIVING THERE mate, you know “Felvidek” from media, not me… so what the hell can you know about it ??? I am not telling you, everyone is happy there, but the situation is normal, apart from minor provocations of few primitives on both sides.
If you dont trust me, as i am just a “butatot”, try to read this:
http://nol.hu/belfold/lap-20081114-20081114-26
Clive, Talk to the Hand! and i am not your mate! Piss off out of my face!
another very mature comment from the ‘Truth-man’ a.k.a hotpaprika…
PS:My education did not end in Slovakia, I did highschool back home, then college in UK and now Uni in UK so I guess I must be biased by the bad bad sooooo bad slovakian educational system as well…Like every slovakian, because nothing is good in slovakia, right? That’s why you are nearly bankrupt because you are perfect if it wasn’t for trianon that happened some 80 years ago.
I think I understand you now!
Nick not understand. Hot paprika –>Kangaroo & Magyarstan education failure. Result –> Brain unconscious. As requested, talk to his hand.Pull hand out of Ricsi’s arse first.Ignore shitstains.
I think, it is a good measure how well people feel in a country, if we look at how many are leaving. From Transylvania, 25% of the originally 2 million minority left, I think, in 10 years. Why is this happening? Do they eat each other on the street? No. Thus, one has to conclude, things are normal. But then why are they leaving in a much bigger ratio than the majority population? If I am not mistaken, Hungarian people with university education are much more probable to leave Slovakia than Slovaks. Why is this?
Bela – Educated people are generally more mobile and are able to seek better opportunities elsewhere. I’m not clear if your point is that there are not enough job opportunities in Slovakia & Romania, or that the education system (for Hungarians) in the 2 countries is good enough to produce educated and mobile people for jobs elsewhere.
@Hot Pap – you keep talking about everyone’s views being tarnished by their education system. Please explain why yours is untarnished? ps. My Hungie student didn’t make it to the top. She came in second to a Russian by a point. I’m still hopeful for the finals, cos I think she brings great potential to Hungary.
Out of everything that I have learned, so far, I realize that when you are one of the sheep, you truly have the wool pulled over your eyes when it comes to everything. You’re fed nothing but lies and if you don’t accept them, you are shunned and turned into an outcast. The good people that are seeking the truth are the ones that are made to look like the bad guys while the bad people bask in their own self glory. What a sickening world we live in.
I do want people to awaken to the reality that there is more to life than what they were told in school and in Sunday school. Yet I do not want them to go into the extreme of looking at every theory out there and therefore becoming so overwhelmed that they literally shut down emotionally, mentally and spiritually, leading them to take no action to improve the future. For elite to triumph, it only takes good people to do nothing, so the last thing we want to see happen is that good people do nothing so he Elite win out again.
Anyway, as much as I’d like to keep boring you, I realize that I can only write so much. I don’t want to waste all of your precious time.
@UJ
And who cares about competition of your students, what a primitive way of judging people, this is one of the major problems of your system of teaching methodology..student-centred is the most loving way to teach and should be promoted to enhance the students true individual talents.
sweetpotatoes hand: Did you ever considered, you might be one of those sheeps? Who, or what gives you the certainty, you know the truth? Do you believe, there is some kind of objective TRUTH out there?
@UJ
What has happened over the years is that it has become increasingly difficult for Elite to control the flow of information, and obviously the Internet has been the main tool. Nevertheless, the Elite forces will not simply lay down and give up. So their Plan B is to use the Internet, and any other source that they can to control, to spread so much disinformation that it literally overwhelms people. UJ Can you see that you have been somewhat affected by this attempt to overwhelm people? Can you see that you have been so affected by some of this disinformation!
What you need to realize here is that people in Hungary and the world are going through an awakening that has the potential to raise everyone to a higher level of consciousness.
Right now you are resisting the process and trying to hold on to something that cannot be. You need to simply let go and focus all your attention on moving into a higher state of consciousness.
When you do begin to attain this awareness, you will see that you will overcome the feeling of not belonging anywhere. You will also begin to attract to you people of like mind, and this will help you overcome the sense of being alone and not belonging.
My point here is that in order to move on to a better future, you need to make a clean break with the false past. You need to surrender all sense of regret and all attachment to which has been programmed into you. You need to forgive everyone involved, including yourself.
Cont:
I hope you will realize that there is nothing I can say that will change your situation for you UJ. You need to take action in order to change that situation. I cannot do it for you, because everything is subject to your free will.
ohh, sorry sweetpotato, i just realized, you are actually a nice chap, just brainwashed a bit. Like a child with a big gun. You can’t speak about a higher consciousness and behave as a child in a nursery. You have to do the first, the second, the third step prior to the fourth. Trying to jump from basement to the fifth floor? That doesen’t work that way. The first step (not sure if you are taking advices from members of subhuman-non-hungarian race, propably not…, but anyway…) would be in your event,to see yourself as a human being without any nationality.I dont believe in this bullshit anymore, but this will be the step four or five, don’t worry about this for now, do step two. Try it.
@Hot Pap – You seem to be talking about a higher level of consciousness which only certain people can see. Kind of like Al Qaeda members who see their view of Islam as the only true view, and every other muslim as deviating from the truth. The only test of whose view is ‘truer’ is who shouts more, or who is physically stronger’. How would one know for certain that they understand the truth? In your world,it really doesn’t depend on their level of consciousness. They would only understand the truth when YOU determine they understand the truth – ie, they agree with your views. Your view doesn’t accept anyone else can reach the truth without agreeing with you. I have no objections with people who want to find a higher level of consciousness. As someone who has family in the US, who believe and help others to reach higher level of consiousness to improve their lives and way of thinking (I’m not one of them), I fully appreciate their direction. You might want to read the book, “the Monk who sold his Ferrari”. It can only help you reach even higher. No, he’s not my family, but there is one key lesson in there which your approach lacks. You might like to include that.
Who cares about my student? Well, I do. The world is not a fair place.They have to be prepared to meet both fair and unfair challenges or people. I dont understand what you mean by ‘student loving’. Have a good weekend.
@UJ
I’m not sure whether you realize that I have supported the western views at one time, I grew up learning in the West, and came to realize later that the combined teachings of the government, media, schools were all programming the masses in supporting an ideology that is working against uniting people globally as a whole, the Elite want to unite us yes, but on there own global terms of mass control, and they will manipulate in such ways that keeps everyone from reaching a higher level of consciousness.
It’s these global elite I want to help expose, and many people are oblivious to what is going on. I don’t belong to any one religious group, the message is written in most spiritual texts it’s up to us to use our free will which path to take.
The way you speak and compare your students of different ethnic background like Russian Hungarian etc, you are already dividing and judging there intellect as if it’s some genetic malfunction. I sense a lack of Love and understanding you share with your students, you seem rigid with your racial comments you give on this forum, and students and people will sense this without you even opening your gob, so just be aware of your pattern of negative thoughts.
Don’t forget who funded the Al Qaeda members the USA, gee we forget quickly!!
@Hot Pap – you’re wrong on the racial stereotyping.My comments were solely to debunk one of your or Ricsi’s previous comments of the racial or intellectual supremacy of Magyars by pointing out that I never had a Hungarian top any of my classes.I was just stating a fact, simply because it would rile you.I’m just following up, in case you haven’t changed this opinion.
I do not subscribe to your assumption of my presumptive approach of ethnic intelligence.Your sense is misleading you here.In my class,I have almost 15 nationalities, and I believe that everyone one of them has the potential, but not necessarily the drive and dedication, to do well.I have had many intelligent students in my class (some Hungarian), and any of them could have done well.They have, but just not topped the class.My approach of not writing names on their exams, but getting them to put any identification number/tag they choose (eg %2d95^),ensures that I am unbiased in my marking because I do not even know whose scripts I am marking until they tell me subsequently (it is not allowed under school rules,but I do that anyway).There is no ethnic differentiation in my teaching. If anything, my students will probably tell you the exact opposite.
With my AQ comment,I was talking about the similarities in their way of thinking to yours. If I wanted, I could lead on and question if it is the same ‘Elites’ who is funding your movement, since there are similarities and common beneficiaries with your agenda.
AQ is a Western media campaign to justify there presence in the Middle East,
As mentioned in my earlier comment!
The good people that are seeking the truth are the ones that are made to look like the bad guys while the bad people bask in their own self glory.
Seeking higher consciousness does not make a person an extremist, this is what the media has drummed into you!
Keep up the tremendous extremist teacher methodology, it will help the students believe in themselves and hopefully they wont be like the rest of the flock, we can only hope..
Uncle Joe
God I keep telling myself to ignore you,but you are so idiotic I feel the need to reply,thus wasting valuable free time for me !
First you can not even remember if you are replying to HP or to me,second your use of English,whilst trying to impress with complicated structure and big words,is actually very poor.
What are you teaching ?? Of course I know you will never answer this,just as you are too cowardly to say where you come from,or what your name is –in other words you hide behind the anonymosity of the internet and can claim to be anything you want.
Stop trying to antagonise the likes of HP and myself,for you know not what you talk about.
@Ricsi- I don’t waste time keeping an exact record of the comments from you & HP. The messages are essentially the same.
I’ve never been told my English was bad, except by you. But it’s difficult to take you seriously when I’ve noticed that you’ve yet to write a single grammatically correct sentence in all your posts, despite being half-English (even every sentence in your last post has 1-2 errors). Also, I think you meant anonymity. If you’d like to ‘relearn’ your English, I can recommend one of my colleagues. He’s a Hungarian Jew, but I still think he’ll be able to improve your English.
I’ve stated many times what I do in Hungary; I teach. Why is it necessary to elaborate what I teach or where I am from, unless it is relevant to the topic. So far, I’ve only said I only comment on what I know, and where the debate is serious, I can do it without getting personal or describing someone as idiotic.
I really don’t want to antagonize you or HP, but sometimes I feel that I just have to, when I see you really don’t know what YOU are talking about. Must be the teacher in me who just doesn’t accept bulldust. Have a nice weekend.
Uncle Joe
Nice reply,lots of usage of spell checker !
“you only comment on what you know “—Since when ??
This is my problem with you,your comments are so unreal to the subject .
Now I assure you I will make no further comments on you as a person, for it is merely throwing the ball back and forward, with no bearing on the subject.
I actually have Jew friends of my own,its the zionist element we hate.(for your info.)
@Ricsi – good, if you have any problems with my background, then I would be willing to explain, as much as feasible, to clear the “unreal” parts for the purpose of discussing the issue at hand.
There are several topics which I dont know about. I have seen your posts on other topics and I don’t comment on architecture, farming (other than the economics), Hungarian culture, and even with respect to history of Hungary, I am very careful, commenting only when I think information or logic is slanted or incomplete.
I am pro-Palestinian, but not necessarily anti-Zionist. I believe Jews are entitled to a homeland, if they can accord the same level of rights to the Palestinians, and live in peace.
Sorry, the above comment was from me.
@HotPop defending Magyar extremists and revisionists.
And yes, please pay attention to ” conducting propaganda, including revisionist propaganda, hostile to the United Nations, shall not permit in future the existence and activities of organisations of that nature ”
Treaty of Peace with Hungary
(Paris, 10 February 1947)
PART II
POLITICAL CLAUSES
SECTION I
Article 4
Hungary, which in accordance with the Armistice Agreement has taken measures for dissolving all organisations of a Fascist type on Hungarian territory, whether political, military or para-military, as well as other organisations conducting propaganda, including revisionist propaganda, hostile to the United Nations, shall not permit in future the existence and activities of organisations of that nature which have as their aim denial to the people of their democratic rights.
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/other/dfat/treaties/1948/2.html
@THE World, What a ridiculous statement to make! Jobbik is a Legal political party! There has been no extremist activity, the members are Law abiding Hungarian people, get your fact’s right before labeling Jobbik party, you will be accused of being extremist against Jobbik with your comments.
HP: “innocent unarmed soccer fans are bashed to death”
So you are still spreading this lie that “Hungarians” were killed in the Football Hooligan fight in Slovakia? When will you provide any proof to your earlier statement that normal media is lying about this?
HP: “There has been no extremist activity, the members are Law abiding Hungarian people”
Well if you define “Law abiding” as:
- Sponsoring a site based in the US about “Gypsie Crime”.
- Planning and executing attacks on the Soviet War Memorial.
- Not paying taxes on sold typical Right Radical articles (you know flags, posters etc).
These are some of the examples that I personally know from my Jobbik-friends. Maybe we define “Law abiding” a bit different? I mean you guys despise Democracy, so why should you follow the rules?
Viking,
What’s this:
“Well if you define “Law abiding” as:
- Sponsoring a site based in the US about “Gypsie Crime”.
- Planning and executing attacks on the Soviet War Memorial.
- Not paying taxes on sold typical Right Radical articles (you know flags, posters etc).”
- Since when is it against the law to visit websites of any kind?
- Throwing old shoes at a widely despised anti-Hungarian leftover of the old regime is hardly a crime. I thought you hated Russians. Now you like them?
- So you have proof of tax evaders and you don’t do your duty? Go ahead and report it if you believe it’s such a huge crime. If you don’t do it, you are an accessory, and will be deported.
Do you have any more nonsense to post today?
Viking Nice try but you are smoking too much Hoochie Coochie.. Your a Nutter.. I commented on the Hungarian Soccer fan in an earlier comment, that he died and was revived!! he is in a very awful condition, the evening of the unlawful attack on innocent defenceless Hungarian fans it was announced he had died, later news revealed he was revived with 2 to 3 attempts before success, very fortunate for the young man..
She is one very strict leftie!
Hi Stan
I havent been on Hungarian Spectrum for a while, noticed you had a run in with Little miss cant be wrong Eva Neni
“I havent been on Hungarian Spectrum for a while, noticed you had a run in with Little miss cant be wrong Eva Neni
She is one very strict leftie!”
She’s just a delusional old jewish lesbian, with the usual leftist agenda and little tolerance for opinions. We don’t like each other too much.
Stan wrote: “She’s just a delusional old jewish lesbian…”
And you, Stan, are a disgusting piece of work!
My question is why is an ethnic hate monger like Jan Slota part of Slovakia’s coalition government in a country that is part of NATO and the EU.
There is no equivalent to a redneck like Slota in the Hungarian government.
Arthur Kovacs
Hermosa Beach, CA
Short and sweet ~~ Mr SLOTA is in the government!! We have to suck it up and be tolerant, that’s their internal affair!
As for the language: I think it would behoove the non-Slovak speaking person to learn the language of the land in which they live in order to be able avail themselves of as much opportunity as they can. If you learn a new language, you empower yourself.
“that’s their internal affair”
Sure it is, as long as Mr. Slota keeps his anti-Hungarian comments to himself.
We are waiting for a sincere, public apology from Mr. Slota. Until then the Slovak government has no international credibility.
Wikipedia has an interesting biography on Mr. Slota:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%A1n_Slota
Car theft in Austria, arson in Slovakia, … etc.
Apparently this great statesman has an interesting history????
Arthur Kovacs
Hermosa Beach, CA USA
Support for Slovak National Party is direct consequence of long-term hungarian hostility toward Slovakia. If Hungarians really mean it and want do something with Slota’s popularity they should take a look at themselves first.
The question why SNS is part of slovak government is another story. This time Hungarians overestimate themselves, not knowing that the Word simply doesn’t always turn around their magyar issue.
Thank you VDX.
Though you have no comments on how an individual why an individual like Mr. Slota is so revered in his homeland with a background in automobile theft, robbery and arson not to mention hate speech. Is this a typical path into Slovak politics??
Mr. Slota has definitely distinguished himself and contributed to the reputatation of his government and country for all the world to see.
You must be very proud!
Arthur Kovacs,
I have no need to comment and praise stupidities and statements ripped out of context. I’ll leave it to your newspapers so they still have at least something to write about.
VDX you are justifying bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior or alleged bad behavior in history. I am sure there are many decent Slovaks who are ashamed of Slota.
Slota’s background is questionable to say the least and his behavior is abhorrent. The fact that he has an open dialogue with mainstream politicians and is a leader in in the Slovak Republic’s coalition government is a sad testament to the state of politics in the Slovak Republic.
In Hungary right wing fringe elements are minimized and have no active role in national government affairs.
As far as my newspapers – I read the LA Times here in Los Angeles.
I read the Reuters report on the soccer/football event describing the police brutality against ethnic Magyars and I found this website from a google search. You should read the accounts from Reuters and the International Herald Tribune if you are looking for balaced coverage.
My mother is from Kasa and her father was taken away from her by Russian soldiers after World War II and he died in a labor camp in Siberia. She cries about him to this day.
No one is a saint, think of our Clinton …. However this jobbik etc… issue shouldn’t require intervention of country’s PM if the EU had a co-operative police force.
Why is the EU powerless, disorganized to do anything?
Why did the Irish put a wrinkle in the EU plan?
mawar,
“this jobbik etc… issue shouldn’t require intervention of country’s PM if the EU had a co-operative police force.
Why is the EU powerless, disorganized to do anything?”
What are you talking about? What kind of EU police force?
The ones which are bashing anyone who speaks up in free democracy, sadly Big brother is already here.. There only trying to fine tune it..Resistance is still growing though, thank God not everyone is a sheep!
Stan,read it again: “EU co-operative police force” was said. PERIOD!!
Arthur Kovach,
What are you talking about? What else do you know about slovak scene besides that you’ve just deducted from that purpose-made wikipedia article about Slota? I really like people intellectualizing from other side of the globe. I don’t need to read International Herald Tribune or Reuters because I live in Slovakia. The information you catch in USA are taken from local news agencies and local medias. The one you quoted is the result of hungarian overseas PR production. You ram into one of the many exaggerated news that Hungarians desperately need to show the world how they are hurt and how badly they are treated by nearly all their neigbours in central-european region.
mawar,
“Stan,read it again: “EU co-operative police force” was said. PERIOD!!”
So what the hell is it? Do you know?
Did you just make it up?
Yess, somebody was right here before, most Hungarians does not give a damn about Slovakia and do not care for the Hungarians living abroad. But I think the biggest mistake what Hungary makes is being too easy handed with the Slavs and also let foreigners like that Macslavnamed, to do harm in the Country! Oh, boyscouts and tram drivers are wearing uniforms,are they natzi? (btw the boyscouts are))) And Not to forget that Hungary provides the rights for it’s minorties unlike Slovakia. In Slovakia there are no Hungarian place names, no ombudsman, and they force people no matter living or death to slovakize thir names like Bathory to Bathoriova (she is spinning in her grave!))Hungarian schools looks better are renewed with Hungarian money! And about that Moravian empire, even Slovakian historians are state it only stood for less than a century! And I would gladly believe in it as a Hungarian but where are the historical proofs, runs cemeteries or at least something…? And do not forget that in Hungary MIEP is not even in the Parliament while in Slovakia SNS is on reign with Slota! Also interesting approach that is Slota in the government of Slovakia but a bunch of idiots UNARMED in uniforms are a reason to EU forces invade Hungary… after all you should not be surprised that we do not like foreigners!
Stan to mawar “Did you just make it up?”
You don’t have to be rude Stan, it’s like this: You show me one shred of evidence that there is a co-operation in the EU (27 states, 5 states?) between Law Officers (Get together, Collaborate, and Establish a Common Practice, Collective Effort etc….) – particularly if the issue(s) making constant headlines!
Co-operate = to act or work with another or others toward a common goal!
As politicians, they all need to be seen to be doing something. However, it is not their actions that would resolve any crisis.
@Robi
Agree with your comments, Slovakia are the ones jumping up and down declaring us as radical and Fascist and they have more anomalies in there argument conserning politics and history, at least we are consistant and have proof backing up our history since Attila and our political arguments.
Rob with all due respect,
you have no idea what you are talkin about,
‘In Slovakia there are no Hungarian place names’ – have you ever been in Slovakia? Go and have a look – all the places near borders have their slovak name and their hungarian equivalent as well.
‘and they force people no matter living or death to slovakize thir names like Bathory to Bathoriova (she is spinning in her grave!))’ – I give you this, it is a stupid stupid rule, but unfortunately it is more a slav thing than slovakian, see our and all other slavic languages evolved from one common language. Just like yours did from a different one. But it has been changed a couple of years ago – If you want you can get rid of the -ova and change all your documents or when you have a new born babygirl you register her surname with or without it.
‘Hungarian schools looks better are renewed with Hungarian money!’ – of course they are!
I’d say 80% of people here bashing slovakia never been there, never seen it themselves, all they know are distorted facts from second hand. But maybe I see this the wrong way, I would not dare to comment on a situation I know jack about. But of course the likes of Stan and HP will not admit this.
Stan. On your comment which got this thing rolling. I wouldn’t be so quick to praise the Czechs. I mean yes they gave the world great films, industry and novels, but hey, it is really easy to advance when you border Germany and don’t have to grow your food. Look at how Slovaks have had to make a living through the centuries. Not an easy life. Plus anyone ever visiting the folklore museum of Central Slovakia and still think they have no culture would be foolish. Also, it was the Czechs who sent Hungarians to forced labour camps in the Czech Republic after the war, and they murdered Esterházy János. And it was the Czechs, specifically Benes, who stirred up hatred against Hungarians there, beginning from WWI. Later Hitler didn’t help either. Tiso made significant offers of land and autonomy to Hungary during WWII, and recognized the Hungarians there as őslakosok. The Czechs created the “czechslovak”. they really used the Slovaks, then they dumped a good bit of their dirty industry in the pristine slovensky raj. I get the felling that the Slovaks have had an inferiority complex visavis the Czechs they take out on Hungarians. Don’t know the reason for that now though, the Slovaks can comfortably sit back in their seemingly well paced economy, with their small post offices, schools, cooperatives and villages still standing and their good public television and pity their neighbors to the south.
Hi Tunde,
Unfortunately the seemingly well paced economy will soon run out of recources under the ‘wise’ supervision of our very own Fico…
Nick: I have been to Slovakia, often, and all over it, particularly to the ethnic Slovak parts of it. I have attempted to learn a bit of the language (unfortunately the people I am with speak it far better than I, so I haven’t gotten far) Since traveling there, I can count 5 separate incidents in which we were targeted in rather ugly ways (knifing a car tire, telling a dog to attack us) for simply speaking Hungarian or having a Hungarian license plate. (No Trianon sticker on the car.) This is well before Slota. I remember telling a friend this in Pozsony, and instead of saying that is too bad, she said “well I bet that Slovaks are also attacked in Hungary”. I have never, ever heard of such a thing happening here, even after the attack on Malina Hedvig. (By the way, it wasn’t only the attack that was the problem, it was Fico’s government did to her.) Not place signs (those seem to be fine), but the felvidék is full of Hungarian manorhouses and castles, and many have no signs in Hungarian. There is often no information in Hungarian either and no information in any language which shows that the former owners were Hungarian. Sort of irritating. Slovakia, like Romania, uses these buildings to advertise how beautiful the country is.
Hungarian schools. They should not be renewed with Hungarian money. Ethnic Hungarians have been there for centuries, and they pay taxes. I am sure you know that govt. legislation gives more funding to villages above a certain sea level.
Sorry for the unpleasant experience. I really am. Please don’t judge us based on a few idiots.
I know there are accidents like this, clearly it is impossible to prevent these sort of crimes anywhere where there is a mixture of different nationalities and mentalties living on such close proximity.
I had my own bad experience with Hungarians, accidentally it was on a international footbal game years back between Hungary and Slovakia. I did not enjoy the game at al as I was dodging 100FT coins and listened to a lot, a lot of insults… but I think I am intelligent enough not to generalise people.
Nick: No worry, I don’t judge the people on those attacks. I wasn’t generalizing, I still go to Slovakia with the expectation that people will not attack me, and I have had very good experiences with Slovaks, but I now think twice about going up north-northeast, and I am afraid of leaving a car with Hungarian license plates unguarded. Re: your example. Football breeds hooliganism. We were in otherwise perfectly peaceful situations, in 5 different towns and villages. I am not sure I agree with you that this is to be expected in regions with different mentalities and ethnicities.
On Fico. Really? Tell me more. From here it looks like he is doing a great job (other than with the Hungarian minority). Slovakia, particularly the rural part seems so clean and tidy and relatively self sufficient. The renovation of the historical areas (the Czech do this well too) is a shining example for all of Europe, it certainly should be for Hungary. And for all the Hungarians following this thread, you should know that the Slovaks from the outset returned land and property to Hungarians, unlike Hungary.
Robi wrote:
“And about that Moravian empire, even Slovakian historians are state it only stood for less than a century! And I would gladly believe in it as a Hungarian but where are the historical proofs, runs cemeteries or at least something…?”
If you know nothing about the society which existed in the region before 9th century, make some review:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Moravia#Culture
You can take your time and e.g. visit Devin castle in Bratislava at the beginning.
In fact it’s the hungarian history which is full of trash. During Kingdom of Hungary it was made by purpose to cover the holes. The result is that it’s full of myths, legends and dreams about mythological eagles and other stuff that have nothing common with real events.
Concerning slovak symbols and coat of arms.
The double cross as a symbol was brought to our region by two missionaries St. Cyril and St. Methodius from Byzantine Empire where it was used as political and religious symbol centuries before it appeared on the shield of one of the magyar kings.
Tree hills represent tree mountains Tatra, Matra and Fatra which designate a region where ethnical Slovaks lived. Mark that Tatra and Fatra are far in the northern part of today Slovakia and though there’s is no precedent for this image to be present in hungarian coat of arms, as hungarians never lived and prevailed in these parts of the region.
Tundi,
About Fico,
to name a few of his ‘good’ deeds: he created a coalition with SNS, he is criticising reforms that made it possible for us to enter NATO, EU and economically prosper, in these shaky financial times he will be spending more money in ’09 than he did in ’06-’07. …and the list goes on and on…
He is a smarter version of Meciar.
I did not like Dzurinda, but he has atleast done something beneficial for the country. Fico is riding on his wave.
Slovakia, Great Moravai is a made up fairytale, there are no archeological discoveries backing any of there theories, there all based on LIES!
@vdx
I think you just repeating the pan-slavic propaganda invented in the 19th century! I’m not interested in Slavs new or old ones anyway and I never go to their countries either! You spreading your neoslavic propaganda on a site under a .hu domain not I am the one who goes to .sk sites spreading Hungarian propaganda! So I’m asking Mr. Slota who’s having agents making troubles for other countries?
Btw every nation was coming from somewhere, the only problem that the Hungarians were not doing what the Spaniards done when they were occcupied the Iberian peninsula (they just wiped out entirely the previous population of the land) or treating Slavs following the noble traditions of the Roman Empire ! Oh, and if you do not like to hear that than do not mess with Hungarians under Hungarian domains!
Robi,
You’re a typical blind hungarian chauvinist who likes to shit in his own nest and doesn’t even realize it.
hotpaprika,
I think I’ve adviced you to take a look at yourself first. Have you done so? Did you look in the mirror already and think about why don’t you have oblique eyes and tanned skin after your antique magyar predecessors?
@VD
Thanks for the advice, but I still see the same vision, your Slovan Novel is still fictious, and why waste your time here my slave friend.
@vdx
After coming here spreading your Slotaist ultra nacionalist Slav chauvinism propaganda, you tag me chauvinist and insult me with primitive pictures? Just because we do not except your opinion in (other words lies)? First of all you are unable to place a correct insult! Point one who cares what a slave thinks?
It will not work like rename the fortress of DÉVÉNY does not make it slavic just like ad an -ova ending to Elizabeth BÁTHORY’s name will not make her a slav. You are liberal slav not a racist natzi like Fico-Capkovic-Slota crime gang of yours, you just asking why we do not have oriental eyes? Because we fuck your coward dirt digging pussies over a thousand years know! But I forget that from the sophisticated culture like yours what expects leading politicians to be known for car theft in neighboring countries, you cant expect to much!
Robi,
“It will not work like rename the fortress of DÉVÉNY does not make it slavic just like ad an -ova ending to Elizabeth BÁTHORY’s name will not make her a slav. You are liberal slav not a racist natzi like”
I wonder hovewer, because it works well for Hungarians adding insersion of -sz- into foreign words and names to make it hungarian. As it has always been well enought for Hungarians seeing a Non-hungarian using their language to be automatically labeled as a Hungarian. It won’t make anyone a Hungarian hovewer, just unavare of his roots. As for my question about your non-existent asiatic/turkish/caucasian ancestors. It’s quite strange your 1000-years old magyar heritage cannot be observed, not in the least. It will remain the most actual and up-to-date question for any Hungarian as long as he keeps denying the reality.
VDX:
I love reading your comments. They are good for a laugh.
The Benes decrees are alive and well in the Czech and Slovak republics.
Here is a link to an article that was printed in the Prague Daily Monitor:
http://www.douglasbrough.com/douglasbrough-Articles-Letters.html
Can you help me get into contact with your good friend Jan Slota, the great Slovak statesman?
I hear he can get me a good deal on a used car.
Arthur Kovacs
Arthur Kovacs,
if you want something to tell me, learn how to formulate it by yourself first. It’s one step forward towards creating your own opinion and building your own independent thinking (I understand it might be hard for a citizen living in US though).
I’m not interested in reading precarious texts. You’d have been even better to stay with your International Herald Tribune than reading those brainwashing tractates.
My answer for the autor of that site is here
http://www.politics.hu/20081110/tensions-rise-as-hungarian-nationalists-apprehended-in-slovakia#c8
I don’t have any contact for Jan Slota, so I have to disappoint you. Try his website. You seem to be able to locate Jobbik’s site, so finding this one shouldn’t be a problem for you.
Dear All,
vdx and McGregorics are just plain Slovac Slotaist
agents pls just ignore them. As my Granny used to
say no need to argue with stupid slaves they
experience in speaking rubbish will beat you
anyway…
BTW. At Trianon the Hungarian negotiators were in
house arrest of the French secret police and
forced to sign the treaty. Therefore it is null
and void by any democratic measures. Case closed.
Robi,
“As my Granny used to
say no need to argue with stupid slaves they
experience in speaking rubbish will beat you
anyway…”
And that was before or after she became a loyal servant of Horthy’s fascist Hungary?
Thank you for explaining anyway. It’s always good to know where the complexes of one man come from. I guess the next tree generations of your offsprings will cry over Trianon too. At least for another 88 years.
Robi
Nicely put across mate, but I thought you would have realised the old proverb by now-” I have never debated with a scholar but defeat him,but never have I won an argument with the ignorant ” (vdx)
@vdx
your uncivilised personal remarks describes you
bests and your kind…
Robi,
I don’t refer to the people of other nation as to the slaves. You obviously misled me with someone you use to see in the mirror.
Risci,
Thank you for assigning such wise set of words to me..
vdx
My pleasure,now learn from the words of the wise please !