Anti-Roma posters affixed by the far-right group the Magyar Gárda appeared in Rakamaz, Szabolcs county on Friday, prompting dozens of local Roma residents to converge on the main street armed with hoes and scythes.
In one case a resident was found to have a samurai sword stashed under his coat. Police secured the area and launched proceedings against the man with the sword, before finally persuading the Roma to return to their homes.
Magyar Gárda county commander Tamás Seres said the group had had nothing to do with the posters and had not planned any marches. He asserted that “it is now becoming clear in whose interest it would be to put up such posters,” but when pressed who he had in mind, Seres said he “would not say it out loud.”
So where are the posters, what’s on them, and where’s the proof of Garda involvement?
Rumors and anti-Garda propaganda is no substitute for the truth and decent journalism. I know, this is just a “news portal”, with no original content, trying to sell ads, but it’s in English and for some reason shows up in Google, so it has some obligations. I will be forced to come out of retirement and start my own Hungarian media empire. The truth must be told. Dammit.
So do it and stops dancing around like a fairy.
@Stan
Typical campaign against the Garda, it’s an ongoing gutless campaign against the Hungarians that want to improve Hungarians lives, but truth will prevail, we just need to be patient, the instigators will self destruct eventually.
Hi Stan,good comment of course,but it seems you are now been targeted by the gutless coward who likes to play around with name tags “Stanstinks”,”Ricsi the tart” etc…
Sad mindless children desperately seeking attention.
If there ever is a real change in power,we will find plenty of real work for these leftie morons–cleaning the graffiti of Budapest with tooth brushes comes to mind-should keep them away from the keyboard for a few years.
So who are you Ricsi and Stan and Hotpaprika, if not anonymous cowards hiding behind names? Childish, I agree.
@Ricsi
Took me a couple of days to recover from News Years house party, by gee those Palinkas knock you for a six!
Nice to see you back on board mate
Firstly ,we do not play childish games with OTHER peoples tags,
Secondly Ricsi is my REAL name, I can not speak for Stan,and obviously HP is a fun tag by a really great guy with a sense of humour.
Get your tooth brush ready dip shit.
Hot Paprika
Did you read your mail,conference tonight around 10,okay for you ??
Hi
Glad to see the roma were ready to mobilise. If you say MG were not responsible for the posters, do you condemn those who made them and the anti roma message? for hotpaprika,stan and ricsi
I am not anti Roma, i am anti blugger, and anyone who is sponging off the system, just seems that Roma have the art of sponging down to a fine art, and we cannot afford to sustain these bluggers any longer, so they have to work for a living for the interests of a nation, also I condemn any dirty politics and beieve in justice, anybody that lies dosent matter what ethnic background or political party requires punishment by the law
Bernie
Having not seen/read the posters I am a little blind as to what I am supposed to say,but if they really were so offensive,then YES I condemn those responsible. IF however they simply highlighted the truth-on the lines of what HotPaprika just said,then NO.
As for your been glad to see the Roma mobilise,I hope you never come to regret those words.
“Glad to see the roma were ready to mobilise.”
Are you nuts? Gypsies have never had any reason to “mobilize”. No one would even bother to talk about them if they would make an attempt to clean up their act and their neighborhood. Once they figure out that hoes and scythes can be used for gardening, it will be a step in the right direction. Poor Hungarian peasants can keep their houses neat, and grow vegetables in their backyards. Gypsies fill their backyards with garbage and large number of unwashed kids instead. They have too many rights and zero responsibilities. Hungarians should be allowed to defend themselves against these no good, thieving hordes.
Ricsi: “Get your tooth brush ready dip shit.” OK.
May I just say that Jobbik are not anti-democracy or racist. We will however ensure that our political opponents are silenced by putting them to work scrubbing Budapest’s grafitti with a toothbrush and we do of course believe that Roma are no good, thieving hordes.
I suggest if your frustrated go off and spank the monkey your a jerkoff! Frustrated National Socialist
You are not a political opponent,just a wanker with a keyboard–like I said,we will find ways of keeping you pre-occupied. Wouldn’t you like to see Budapest free of graffiti ??
Most of the graffiti is written by tarts like you with anti-Jew/Gypsy/Gyurcsany content. I suggest we just break your fingers and cut out the middleman.
Woow! Who is the violent one! Obviously the Neo liberal Commie Gay suppporter! not once have we resorted to violence! now you want to break bones, the truth is revealled! well dont stop there set up a concentration camp and make the most of us like your history has shown in the past!
Vote for Jobbik! Vote for intolerance, stupidity and hatred!
It is 9 pm, bedtime for children,go away and do not forget your tooth brush.
Mummy will tuck you in and keep you safe from all the “neo-nazi’s” LOL
Hey, its good that you would condemn any racist posters. But a shame a few of you go on to talk about ‘roma scum’ or ‘gyspy hordes’ and racist means you prejudge a whole group, or race, and it seems pretty obvious that is what you are doing.
Strange really, you seem to want to honour Hungary, but what you are talking about brings shame on Hungary, have learnt nothing from your countries nazi past? the same arguements you use about roma were used about jews in ww2, doesn’t this make you think twice?
On ‘mobilising’, what I meant was I am glad that the roma are refusing to be intimidated and are standing up against racists of jobbik or MG.
Bernie go get a life your living in the dark ages!
Which part is ‘dark ages’?
Berni boy has a serious reading comprehension problem. Read my post again and repeat until you get it. I did not say all gypsies are no good thieving hordes, only the ones that act that way.
Those who work or at least don’t steal are obviously a different group. No one cares about your ethnicity in Hungary, only your behavior. In case of gypsies there are obvious patterns, some are willing and capable of assimilating, many of them are not. The latter group is the source of much misery and we simply cannot ignore the problem any longer. Our incompetent government is clueless, the police are underfunded and not too enthusiastic, and any attempt for self defense is immediately banned and labeled as “racist”.
The government will spend 1 billion to build new houses for gypsies (not poor people, but gypsies only, how racist is that?) while they donate 3 times as much to MAZSIHISZ (I have no idea why).
The Hungarian Guard didn’t create any problems, the problems created the Guard. Now let’s hear your solution.
Hi Stan,
Sorry to disappoint you, but… you said “Gypsies have never had any reason to “mobilize”. No one would even bother to talk about them if they would make an attempt to clean up their act and their neighborhood. Once they figure out that hoes and scythes can be used for gardening, it will be a step in the right direction.
You seem here to be talking about all ‘Gypsies’ , ‘them’, if ‘they would clean up their act’ etc ..etc.. so you are clearly talking about ‘all Gypsies’ if this was not your intention then you should make this clear when you post, because other posters clearly are racist and talk about ‘all gypsies’. I would be happy to hear that you disagree with them. You then counterpose your view of Gypsies with poor Hungarian peasants, as if all Hungarians are clean, law abiding etc, while gypsies are not. So you see I was able to comprehend your post and yes I still disagree with you. Anyone who lives in Hungary and is honest knows that there are lawbreakers in all communities here, in fact as I am sure you are aware some of the biggest gangsters and most corrupt officials etc are Hungarian. You see only to talk of Gypsy crimes while ignoring all others is what appears racist. I am sure you can understand this?
A second point stan, do you accept that the language used here about gypsies, is similiar to the language used by the nazi’s against jews (and gpsies)
Bernie is a loser has no idea of the situation, living in La La land! Trying to play on words because of the gay shit stirring nature, Stan dont waste your energy, you have made your point my friend!
Bernie obviously have zero personal experience with gypsies, so he will never understand. He has no argument, only the same tired old “racist” and “anti-semite” cards. You criticize Zionists, and you get the “anti-semite” label.
You notice obvious patterns in the specific gypsy criminal behavior and there comes the “racist” label. No answer to the “what’s your solution” question. Protecting or simply ignoring gypsy crime will not make it go away, and will not help anyone, only delay any attempts to deal with the problem.
Mr.Anonymous
People do not begin to use strong language without a reason !
The Nazi’s had very many reasons after the debacle of the 1920′s as I am sure you must know.
I’m living in Hungary, if you want to call that ‘La la land’ or the ‘dark ages’ that is up to you. I think it is an exciting an cosmopolitan European Capital and would like it to stay that way.Strange that none of you answered the questions I posed.
So do you think that the language of the nazi’s is ok? (it may be a tired old arguement, but it was a major crisis in world history,so i think it is relevant). Or do you think the the nazi’s were right?
I live in Hungary so live side by side with both magyar and gypsies, and see good and bad in both.
I have not called anyone anti-semite. I am opposed to Zionism, and to Isreals policies in Palestine- this does not mean I am anti jew, I am opposed to the Isreali State and Zionist policies, just as I am opposed to most Vatican policies but am not against all christians.
To have a political discussion means more than throwing labels or insults around, are you guys capable of this?
Bernie
Now you are making sense !
We have something in common at last regarding Zionism,as for Gypsies not all are bad,of course,but their is a disproportionately high crime rate for the size of this minority,this is what Stan and Hot Paprika are trying to put across.
I have had experiences and feel free to highlight this growing problem.
If you are homophobic – why? It has been posited that the biggest homophobes are homosexuals afraid of their own sexuality. Is that you HP?
If Jobbik aren’t racist can one of them show me their comments on here disapproving of crime and anti-social acts committed by non Roma (including those committed by supporters of the ultra-right).
In fact they are a pathetically transparent copy of the Nazis of 1920s and 30s Germany.
Fiery Jack
Learn to read,I have often said not all gypsies are criminals and I also said right on this thread that if those posters (which I have yet to see ) are really offensive,rather than telling the truth,then yes I condone those who did it.
I also clearly said that the crime rate for the Gypsy minority is higher,thus implying,obviously,that they are not the only criminals.
Ultra right thugs have never had any place in Jobbik,sorry to disappoint.
Sorry,next time I will try to spell it out for you so that you can understand easier.
Hi ricsi,
Thanks for responding in an adult way, not just throwing labels or insults. Although I don’t have the figures, I would accept that low level crime is disproportionatley higher in the roma community. Just as in the UK it is disproportionatley higher in the young black male demographic, there is a reason for this, it is a disproportionate lack of educational and employment opportunities. An analogy is those who are pushed to the edge of society generally don’t care very much about it, and respond by saying ‘fuck you’. So while I accept this point about higher crime rate, do you accept mine about why this is? or do you think that both in the Uk and here somehow young black men and roma are geneticly prone to these things. One other thought, while i accept that low level crime is disproportionately higher in the roma community, do you accept that the biggest gangsters and most corrupt officials and politicians are Magyar? and if so does it not follow that thier crime costs Hungary far more each year than the low level street crime blamed on roma? So where are the marches against ‘Magyar Crime’?
Joerg Haider = Ricsi = Stan = HP = Laci = …
Ricsi you are a first rate prick. Instead of answering the question you can only come back with ‘learn to read’.
SHOW me your comments on here disapproving of crime and anti-social acts committed by non Roma (including those committed by supporters of the ultra-right). Put up or shut up!
I hope that was clear enough for you to understand.
Fiery Jack
OK I will spell it out for you if you are too dumb to read
YES I CONDONE ALL CRIME ,BE IT ROMA OR NON ROMA. YES I CONDONE ULTRA RIGHT WING OR ULTRA LEFT WING CRIME
Like I said “ULTRA” are nothing to do with Jobbik.
Like I also said,pro rata crime of Roma is higher.
C L E A R ???????
Jesus,some people are hard to get through to !!!
By the way,insults only make YOU look a prick !
Bernie
Brilliant debate now ! Thanks.
Roma unfortunately are inclined to crime by the very nomadic nature,not able to settle and adapt,in the same way that “pikeys” or “tinkers” in the UK behave.Once again ,let me make clear that Roma are composed of several “tribes” or “groups”,for example those musicians we all see come from the “elite” group,who are usually well educated and always work hard.(I can not remember all the tribe names) It is a bit like the “paki” issue in the UK,everybody Asian is called Paki,be they Bengali,Pakistani,Afghani,or even Indian (The “elite” of your asians).
Here in Hungary a large segment of the Gypsy community as NO desire to integrate,educate,work-throwing money at the problem is a total waste,it will be squandered at best,or used corruptly at worst.Opportunities do exist,at least here in the South,but you cannot make them go to school,or take a job–I can give you many first hand examples.
Your Black problem is similar,who controls the drug trade and prostitution in major cities (I am thinking of Leeds,as my example),the black gangs.
As for Hungarian political corruption ,your observation is totally correct ,which is why we need an ALTERNATIVE political movement,hence Jobbik appeared on the scene,amongst others.
I only result to uncivil replies when I realise I am writing to real idiots,there are a few here,but I do not consider you such,even if we disagree.
Tunde
Brilliant deduction,thanks
tunde=????
please feel free to write some words now.
I must leave for my work now,but will rejoin tonight BYE
Joerg Haider = Ricsi = Stan = HP = Laci = Closet
Gay
Tunde
Gay ? Come and meet and we will see who is gay !
Now write something intelligent.
By the way,your industrial tourism argument was good.
Hi Ricsi,
A couple of points; Firstly this is not an insult, so I hope you don’t take it as such, saying we have a ‘black problem’ in the UK, is racist- why? Because you define the problem in racial terms, not in terms of crime. There is no ‘black’ problem in the UK, what there is, is a problem of lack of social involvement and opportunity for minorities, and widescale racism in the media tv etc, there is a problem of a lack of social engagement with white and black youth, not just ‘black’ to pose it as a black problem says the problem is ‘them’ not our society. This is important because as we go deeper into a recession those who have been running society both here and in the UK will blame anyone but themselves for the economic and social problems. Think about it, capitalism has created this recession it is part and parcel of how the system works. In the UK we have been told for decades there is no money for pensioners, for health or education, as soon as the banks are in trouble billions are pumped into them. So millionaire bankers are rescued, while individual home owners lose their jobs and houses. These are the priorities of those in power. Jobbik hosted The UK’s BNP leader Nick Griffen late last year for a rally. The BNP are fascist, Nick Griffen has many times in the past explained he supported the policies of the National Socialists in Germany. Jobbik are not an alternative for the people of Hungary, they will bring division and soncial conflict.
Ricsi – I am at CEU most days. Just wear your pink
boiler suit and we can do some industrial tourism
of each other.
This region has seen enough of nationalist regimes, Milosvic, Tjudman etc in Yugoslavia give us the nightmare scenario of future of nationailst conflict. Jobbik would cause conflict internally and externally, Hungary and slovakia both controlled by nationalist governments? it doesnt take an einstien to see where that could lead.
I really seriously ask you to think again, Jobbik represent a pale imitation of HUngary’s past not a part of its future, where did it lead the last time the Nationalists (arrow cross) gained power?
Tunde
So you are one of those “common purpose” funded by George Soros. Get out whilst you still can !!
PS I do not wear pink,it does not suit me !
maybe your friends on the “gay” parade,but not this MAN.
To Thicky Ricsi
Can you explain why a gay man is any less of a man than you?
Bernie
Hungary already has division and social conflict,plus a bankrupt economy,declining standards and a corrupt Political leadership.
You think Jobbik could do worse than that ???
As for NSDAP policies,they revitalised Germany in 6 years and became the envy of the world,thus they had to be destroyed,rash decisions by Hitler hastened his downfall.I am not saying I believe in Nazi Germany,and I also have doubts about the sincerity of N.Griffiths,one minute castigating the Jews,then next minute fawning for the Jewish vote and castigating the Muslims.
But we are not comparing Jobbik to NSDAP ,because they are vastly different anyway.
Give me your choice for solving these problems,I am always open to peoples thoughts.
But let us keep to the theme of the topic-Hungary.
Ricsi,
Hungary does have division and social conflict, but Jobbik, will add to this and not resolve it.
NSDAP revitlised Germany for 6 years? You said Until they had to be stopped? Aren’t you forgetting the invasions of Austria, chekoslovakia, Poland, to be honest ricsi, in your own words you have shown Jobbik supporters to be supporters of fascism.
Your own words not mine, not a label, an accusation, an insult, just the truth..and a clear warning to anyone out there reading…….in their own words do they show their nature.
Bernie
I said NSDAP revitalised Germany within 6 years,i.e 1933-1939. Austria was not invaded but joined Germany in the Anschluss of 1938, Czech lands were signed back to German ownership in 1939 by Britain and France,paving the way for Hitler to annex the weakened remainder without a shot fired.
Poland was promised impossible aid again from Britain and France in return for resisting Germany legitimate right for return of Prussian lands and access to Danzig–thus the war started and the rest is history.I did not say that “until they had to be stopped” what I said was such a revolutionary system “had to be destroyed”.
My personal feelings are not the policies of any party.But always remember History is only ever written by the winners !
We are talking ,in OUR own words about the outbreak of WW2 and the NSDAP,which,yet again I reiterate-has got nothing to do with Jobbik or its policies today !
They do not advocate invading Slovakia or Romania etc… But they do begin to sound like a real alternative to the collapsing western ideology of global capitalism based on greed and exploitation.
One last thing–Has anybody seen these posters,can anybody show what was actually written ?? For this is the very fundamental basis of this thread,which as gone of topic somewhat !
Good night !
Apparently the posters said: “Csak azért is országjárás!!! A Magyar Gárda hamarosan Rakamazon is felvonul. Ezen a településen nem egy szokványos felvonulásra készülünk, attól egy kicsit többre. Pusztulni fogtok rohadt, büdös cigányok, rettegjetek, féljetek, mert hamarosan jövünk! Éljen Vona Gábor.”
In English that’s — ‘This is the only reason for
the national movement!!! The Hungarian Guard will
soon be marching in Rakamaz. In this area we are
not preparing your typical march, but something a
bit different. We are going to extinguish you
stinking rotten gypsies, you should cower in fear
because we are coming soon! Long live Vona Gábor.’
Stan – Ricsi – HP – Laci, where do you stand? In
the corner where teacher put you? Dunce hat on and
being laughed at by the rest of the class.
So it was provocation. Not a very sophisticated one either. Vona could learn a few things about PR, but he is not that stupid.
The posters were obviously made by gypsies or an angry peasant who got beaten up by a gang of drunken gypsies. Should not be too hard to find who did it, it’s the guy who knows how to read or at least write, the local prodigy.
Ricsi: Those posts were not by me. Obviously there is no administrator for this site, and there is someone out there with serious problems and a lot of time on their hands.
fiery jack
Because he as a severe chemical or mental disorder, I am not sure of the cause but I certainly do not accept the effect.
Tunde
Thanks and I apologise, I did think from your previous posts that you were more intelligent than that,I guess I should have realised our resident pathetic moron with a keyboard was at his usual tricks again.
Sad but a sign of the times that such idiots seek attention this way.
To the pathetic coward who likes to misuse other peoples tags.
If you are too stupid to realise that no REAL Gárda or Jobbik member with be so idiotic as to write such ignorant rubbish as on those posters,than I can say no more to you.
Now grow up and invent a name tag for yourself if you want to join the big boys and girls on the threads.
“The Intelligent Source for Intelligence on
Hungarian Politics” ???????????????????
Ricsi + Me = lots of little Jobbiks
Pesticide/Politics.hu administrator/moderator:
Due to the fact that someone is posting comments under other poster’s nicknames, I checked to see your privacy policy. As it turns out, you do not have one. This makes me believe that the email I gave in good faith may also be being abused. Unless you do not preventing misuse of other’s nicks, following several report of this happening. If you do not prevent this from happening, and do not delete the comments made in my name but without the relevant email, I will report this site to the consumer protection authority.
Umm, since you have not actually paid for a service because these websites are free to view, complaining to a consumer protection agency will achieve nothing.
Having a privacy policy and or misusing someone’s information has nothing to do with whether or not a site is free or a paid for site. As this is a business operation, I would think it would be in the site’s interest to keep basic rules of internet policy. I would say ethical as well, but I don!t think that applies here. I stopped commenting on this site because it was a waste of time. I monitor it for a study, and I do not appreciate seeing my name or comments misused.
Tunde, what point of law are you referring to? What has been breached? Your privacy? Use of a common name on a public forum? Being impersonated? Lack of a sense of humor? Really, what will be the basis for your complaint? I personally prefer to read and become familiar with Hungarian law before opening my mouth. And what on earth would be the basis on your work that requires hanging around discussion boards plagued with az emberiség söpredéke? Is the CEU thing true? Anyway, best of luck!
Tunde
You have a valid point regarding the morons playing stupid games,but I do not think their is anything that can be done about it unfortunately.
Innocent Bystander
“The dregs/scum of humanity” is a little harsh,I would just call out impersonator a prat. !!
Ricsi: the point of giving an email would be so that the tag cannot be shared, normally the email is crosschecked by a moderator, but I don’t think there is one here. Also since there is no privacy policy on any Pesticide “product”, there is really nothing to stop them from giving out emails as well. Any other site requiring a tag will not let you register with one already taken. Otherwise you get people with nothing in their life other than to post in other people’s names and stir up resentment.
To be fair to this site, I sent the above to the addresses given for contact and Erik D’Amato replied they are working on the problem and should have it solved in a few weeks