A US secret services aeroplane, probably used by the CIA, stayed at Ferihegy airport overnight some days ago, in connection with the potential reception of prisoners currently held at the Guantanano Bay detention camp, which faces closure, Magyar Nemzet reports.
The unmarked aeroplane had carried officials and agents to discuss the security aspects of accepting persons of unspecified status with Hungarian negotiation partners.
Foreign Minister Kinga Göncz told an EU foreign ministers meeting some days ago that Hungary is open on this issue.
Foreign Ministry spokesman Lajos Szelestey spoke to Magyar Nemzet about the conditions of a potential reception, such as cross-party support and professional opinions on national security, legal and personal issues.
Socialist Attila Mesterházy said the issue had not been put on his party’s internal agenda.
Fidesz said in a statement on Wednesday that it would be hugely irresponsible to bring former terrorism suspects into Hungary.
All in secrecy as usual,no media,no debate–and people STILL believe in western democracy .
Ricsi, what country or form of government would debate this openly? I’m sure negotiations in regard to terror suspects are being held in strictist confidence and at a high level (Gyurcsany???)…we just end up carrying the ball as an end result.
Szekes
What country could allow this to happen in the name of ‘democracy’ ?
What form of Government is it that joins in this ‘war on terror’ charade on the behalf of Hungary ?
Time to wake up…..
Ricsi, a country that was totally blindsided by the 9-11 attacks and responded with what it had at the moment. Most of those “residents” were caught up in the intial fighting in Afghanistan and the US did not really know how to manage them. So off to Gitmo they go! Besides, if Hungary lets them in, once they escape they will just blend in with the rest of the Islamo-Facists Rag Heads you’ve got wandering around! Well, at least that’s what one of our Democratic Reps thought when he equated Hungary with the rest of the Terror Stricken nations!
What the Americans want is for us to become their professional jailmasters. It’s all about the size of their money, versus the potential “blowback”. We’re not talking about local street pimps and pickpockets. The particular riff-raff whom they want us to give “residency” to are internationally high profile; playing along with the Americans on this will maybe give us some American money, but will certainly make us enemies in the Islamic world.
We are stuck in the classic, age old dilemma that all poor people understand. You are broke, hungry, and someone offers you a lot of money to do something that is shady. Do you go for it? Stick to principle or go along? If you go along, you may get in even deeper trouble; if you don’t, you continue being poor.
I’m as patriotic American as the next guy, and I was in New York at the time of the 9/11 disaster.
My first reaction was similar to others, let’s get them bastards.
Then I had some time to put things into perspective. Going to war against an invisible enemy was a huge mistake. We created more terrorists than we killed, and at what cost!
Not only the trillions of dollars, but the thousands of soldiers and civilians killed, and the destruction of Iraq. “We bring you freedom and democracy”. You cannot do that, things just don’t work that way. It was a lie, just like the casus belli, the so called WMDs. We had no legitimate reason to demolish Iraq, but we had the public support, thanks to the 9/11 attack. Which brings up the obvious question: who benefited from 9/11?
Arabs and average Americans sure didn’t. So who did? There’s something fishy here, and it will never be officially and credibly investigated.
I know, the word “conspiracy” is automatically ridiculed, but that doesn’t mean that conspiracies don’t exist. They are kept in secret, so evidence is hard to find, all we have is logic and common sense.
Before we blame terrorists, try to find the underlying reason what makes them tick. US foreign policy and behind-the-scenes CIA dealings have earned us many enemies. Unconditional support for Israel didn’t help either. So there are a lot of people out there who have good reason to hate us. They don’t have the military might to fight a “fair” war, they blow things up
Sorry, above comment was intended TO Szekes, he didn’t write it. Stan is getting sleepy…
Stan, don’t worry, no one would accept that as coming from me…I’m not smart enough to write that informative and intelligent! Sooner or later, we were bound to be involved in the Islamo-Fascist Terrorist war, our support for Israel made us a target. But how do you avoid a movement that is taking over the world and imposing their beliefs upon the rest of us. Islam was fine as long as they followed the teachings of the Quran without the sword. But the interpretation that some have taken that you convert or die and those Muslims will not be satisfied until Islam is the only world religion.
Szekes,
I believe we should look at what’s in our best interest. Keep supporting Israel or make peace with the Muslims and leave them alone. Make a pact with them: you don’t do the terrorist thing and we don’t bomb the crap out of you, and don’t try to manipulate your internal affairs.
Remember, we were involved in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and many other countries. Our “intelligence” is not made up of a bunch of James Bonds, they goof all the time, putting us into embarrassing situations. We supported Iran, then Iraq, we were big buddies with Saddam and Osama bin Laden, just to name a few. Time to mind our own business, and the rest of the world will not have so many reasons to hate us. Our attempts trying to bribe or kill leaders of other countries usually end in disasters, so might as well give it up.
We should have used the trillions of dollars wasted on our Middle-East affairs and develop alternate energy sources, so we would not depend on oil and the evil people who supply it.
Israel was set up in the wrong area. I would move it to a better place, in fact I would give Israel an entire continent. See how the get along with the penguins there…
Ricsi: “What country could allow this to happen in the name of ‘democracy’ ? ” What kind of country? A *banana republic.* We have armed FBI agents operating freely http://tinyurl.com/agvrr9 in Hungry (*starving now that we’re so fucking free) doing what they couldn’t do in Puerto Rico
We have MP (Military Police) precincts all over Budapest with signs by their entrances that advertise proudly just who they are like we’re in Fort Bragg. And then there are of course the CIA black sites where all the fun happens. Budapest’s apparently some sort of hub of American/Gulag Express &, let’s not pretend that Guantanamo is the only concentration camp.
Szekes: “Most of those ‘residents’ [Gitmo] were caught up in the initial fighting in Afghanistan…” Most of those residents were delivered to Special Forces by their neighbors for the $5,000 bounty promised but hardly ever paid which is the equivalent of 20 years of an average person’s income in Afghanistan. People sold their kids and parents for “terrorists” to get it which explains all the little kids (pre teens) and very old men (over 70) among the inmates. *Not a single prisoner has ever been proven guilty.* Not even circumstantially. Many were just released, others were transferred to “black sites” or other concentration camps. Almost everyone was tortured. Some under the supervision of psychologists and physicians. Some are used in human experiments. But, God bless America anyway. Right?
Germinator
How accurate you are on this ,thanks.
Germinator: “*Not a single prisoner has ever been proven guilty.* Not even circumstantially”
IT IS right!!
I guess I am a result of the military/political indoctrination spin that is being generated by our illustrious leadership. Being a simple minded (with a lot of emphasis on that simple) Hungarian immigrant and wanting to blend in with all these bloodthirsty capitalistic imperialists I guess it was easy to brain wash me into believing that we were the victims. Amazing though, how y’all can get such detailed info on the characteristics of the detainees while I with my thrice awarded Top Secret clearance can’t get squat from our “Freedom of Information Act” newsies! Just remember, absorb all information but keep that grain of salt handy!
Hey Ricsi,
To change the subject a little, have you noticed what a weird webmaster we have?
Take the “FinMin” and his Audi car story. The one where I ended up contributing the “boys and their toys”. For a long time, the story was prominently displayed on a large field to the left of the home page. It hardly drew any comments at all, yet it stayed there. I put up my model boat submission, and within a day or so, it not only gets yanked from that spot, but disappeared off the home page entirely. I needed to to a website search to retrieve it.
Now, a day or two after we contributed again to it, you and I, it is again totally gone from the home page.
I know now how to deal with the impersonation problem! Complaining to “Erik” about that is of course useless. The next time someone hijacks your username, just paste some link about the Hungarian ship and the whole thread will totally disappear within a day! Now we know how to get actiion around here! I found their “sore spot”!
There is apparently a difference between western and eastern notions of “PC”! In the west, PC means don’t pick on women, gays and minorities. In the east it litarally means that your “politics” had better be correst!
Consider you military lucky,but if you have seen thousands coming home in body bags, I think you would change your mind! I can’t forget the picture of thousands.
NEVER EVER GO TO ANY WAR unless you need to protect your own country!
I agree “The Freedom of Infomation act” should give you SOME information, provided, you need to know!!
Sorry, the “anonymous” is MAWAR!! Same difference, eh!!
Farkas László
I noticed this before so I can only agree ,however ‘Erik the Amateur’ is actually a yank,nothing to do with Hungary,other than the fact that he came here,worked with a newspaper and then set up this site. Interesting that he stays here despite all his negatives about Hungary.
It’s all a mirror maze! Who’s who and what’s what have become blurred around here. Participate here for too long and you may become addled and lose track of your identity. If the police pull us over and ask who we are, we can say “anonymous” or “mawar”. If the cops have a problem with such a response, we can refer them to the webmaster, Erik D’Amateur, who could vouch for who we are. Erik knows!
Cheers!
Laci (I think!)
Thanks Ricsi,
Do you think that is is real name? It’s so hokey sounding.
Erik D’Professional
Evil remains evil? Fact or fiction?
Whats this about an identity crisis? We all know who we pretend to be!
Hi Szekes!
You see, it’s a “St Vitus Dance” around here, this identity thing; it’s a contagious mass delusion! I’ll continue to engage you intelligently, but only for as long as I can be sure of who I am!
When in doubt, consult the webmaster!
Farkas the Illuminator! If you like historical data and maps on Hungary, check out this report on Runic Writing in Hungary.
http://researcharchive.vuw.ac.nz/bitstream/handle/10063/674/article.pdf?sequence=3
It has maps that show the entire Carpathain Basin and where runic writing was found. Pretty good proof that our Magyar ancestors got around! Maybe Arpad’s followers even played with the ancestors of these Gitmo Refugees? They probably locked them up back then too! You know Crazy is a dominant gene!!!
Dear Mr. Szekes,
I’m delighted and impressed with your interest in Hungarian history and culture, as well as your desire to reconnect with your heritage. All good Hungarians should be encouraging and supportive of this. We have a large diaspora all over the world, and I for one, will do my utmost to make this website a welcoming and informative place for people like you!
I’ve not yet had the chance to read the interesting article you mention, but did look it over. I certainly shall read it. It’s good that you could find something in English!
Our runic script has fascinated me since childhood! I have a book in Hungarian on the subject: “A Magyar Rovásírás Új Megfejtése” by Forrai Sándor és Andrássy Kurta János, Szatmári Press 1976. It was published in America during the communist era. Right now, I want to go on record before you all to acknowledge a very valuable contribution by overseas Hungarians; the maintenance of an expatriate press during the communist era, which published many works that would not have been allowed back home in those days. I have a number of these books, like
Cardinal Minszenty’s autobiography for one. Today Hungarians have the freedom of press that didn’t exist in those days.
The script survived, but extensive literary remnants have not. Hungarians lack a Tacitus. (who recorded what the Germans were doing in ancient times.) There is a huge gap in knowledge about ourselves as a result; I wish there was some way to bridge the gap.
Farkas / Szekes
A very good guide to Runic is available only in Hungarian,but with many tables and illustrations. ‘A Magyar rovásírás ABC-s könyve ‘ by Fűr Zoltán.
first published in 1996.
I bought a copy in the Magyarok Háza in December for 450Ft. A bargain.
Hi Ricsi
I wonder if our runes relate to rune script used by other peoples. I’ve seen ancient Irish and Germanic rune script, and although the writing appears to be similiar in overall appearance, they are different. It all had to be a cross-borrowing of some sort. I wonder about the other Finno-Ugric peoples as well.
The German Nazis helped to give this subject a certain shadiness, as the Hitler govt encouraged pre-Christian German culture, and runes were a big part of it. The schooling and indoctrination of SS men emphasised the study of runes. Hitler and Himmler were quite absorbed in metaphysical subjects. They believed that symbols weren’t just pictures, but had mystical and esoteric significance as well.
When the communists took over, they tolerated scholarly studies into our runes, but if the average Hungarian showed a bit too much interest or passion for it, he was suspected of being an “ultra-nationalist”, a big no-no back then. Thank God times have changed. Today, Hungarians can read books and express opinions that once would have landed them in serious hot water! Let us be thankful for that, and never, ever forget it! Did uou see the BBC discussion link I offered yesterday? So many stupid liberals like that Eva Steinbeck from Budapest saying that the two systems were alike and just two sides of the same coin. No dummy, they were not alike!
I regret that more substantial literary fragments from our past have not come down to us. Most of the early specimens of our writing survive on wooden sticks. The earliest history of the Hungarians that we have is from “Anonymous”, written long after the Hungarians settled down into a state. We will never know much about King Stephen and his predecessors, or the period of our migration from the Ural region. There is so much more that I would like to know, but never will. I can almost gaurantee that the imposition of Stephen’s “reforms”, i.e. disarmament of the common men, imposition of feudal slavery and Catholicism, were furiously resisted by other red-blooded Hungarians and their tribal leaders. There had to be some very high drama going on then, the details of which we will never know.
“Steve” no doubt needed a powerful retinue of protectors and body-gaurds to remain alive, just like Hitler, as many good Hungarians then probably wanted to kill him! He may have been “István” alright; it’s the “Szent” part that I’m not so sure of!
Closest related to the Sumerian characters, Holy Roman Empire destroyed much of this history, fortunately still have traces amongst the Sekelys.
Interesting the Balaton is also an ancient name given to the Sun God worshippers, Baal meaning God Aton Sun, so our history shows that our ancestors where Sun worshippers, so were the Sumerians, our history is littered archeological evidence, but our academies are not allowing this to be taught because it upsets the whole agenda of the elite..
Thanks for that Hot Paprika!
Your mention of the Sun-God aton was most intersting! It immediately reminded me of the ancient Egyptian Pharaoh Akhnaten. He ruled in the 18th Dynasty from 1383 BC on. He sought to reform and streamline the Egyptian faith, away from so many deities, to one solar one, called “Aton”!
All this makes you wonder just what was really going on. I’ve long known of the Sumerian connection, but given that they were in Mesopotamia, and we are from the Ural/Siberian region, I never knew how to “connect the dots”. (Perhaps nobody really does.)
Both Akhnaten and our King Stephen were peddling a new brand of religious liquor to their respective people! For his efforts, Akhnaten was poisoned, no doubt by an unnapreciative priesthood. Our “Stevie” was fortunate to have survived; he wasn’t killed by priests, he brought them in! It was the ordinary people that probebly wanted him dead.
To help further our understanding of the earliest Hungarian history from the earliest known source, I am providing links to “Anonymus’” “Gesta Hungarorum” (Latin for the “Deeds of the Hungarians”), written between 1196 and 1220:
(In Hungarian):
http://mek.oszk.hu/02200/02245/02245.htm
(In English):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesta_Hungarorum
There is a statue to Anonymus, which I have always liked, in Budapest near the Vajdahunyad Castle. (My father took a picture of me when I was a kid, sitting on it’s lap!) Foreign visitors, who come from more fortunate nations that know their past better, often call it “creepy” and Gothic. They don’t know do they? And how can they? The sculptor Ligeti knew! Leave out the face from a person’s representation, and you leave out the most important part. It’s a beautiful artistic metaphor, not just to the name of an anonymous author, but to a people who may never really know their ancient past or where they really came from. The work shows far more sensibility than than what I ever expect from any “Modern Art” sculptor!
Amazing I was only there today for the Mangalica Pig Festival at Varos Liget!the event goes for 3 days and has all kinds of attractions, food, music, dancing, wine and palinka tasting, obviously Mangalica dishes sausages stews and soups, many spread the lard onto crusty bread with onion or Garlic very yummy but can repeat on your breath so I advice you to share it with your partner.
I was admiring Anonymus statue while I was there today, it’s a beautiful sculpture.
(The Roman Catholic Church did not believe in the ancient heritage of the Magyars and this is why they called it “false”.) It is exciting that we can learn of the pre-history of the Hungarians from the stories and songs of the peasants of the time of Anonymus. These and other similar observations of Anonymus, are of great importance for us to learn about the ancient history and origin of the Hungarians.
Historians, writing about the Battle of Lechfeld, for some reason do not mention the third Magyar army. They only mention the armies of Bulcsu and Lehel, yet Anonymus, in two complete chapters, clearly describes the role of the third army under the leadership of Botond.
The Author Botos Laszlo has some great quotes from Anonymus, and also writes an alternative History to the Jesuit version.
Wow Hot Pap, that was a good post thanks!
When you read the Anonymous work, you notice that not only did the guy have to apologize to his king (in very flowery language) for having delayed on the work, but that he had to be a Roman Catholic suck-up as well! Not only was his king watching and reading, and so were the priests! I wish the man could have written freely, which was impossible under the circumstances. He must have known more, and must have known better, than he dared to write. His pseudonym says it all, as he didn’t dare put his own name on the work.
It’s the story of our nation; too much repression and not enough intellectual and economic freedom. It leaves us with nothing more than a pessimism and cynicism that is deep as the ocean! Wanna be sad? What if I were to tell you that the present time, complete with Gyurcsi and his shennaigans, represents a “high point” in our history, a “Golden Age” compared to anything before? Post 1989 Hungarians are like the newly emancipated slaves in the old US south; all of a sudden, there are freedom and options that the population isn’t used to and hardly knows what to do with.
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On a positive note it is a great time be a Hungarian, however imagine if the Government would support these amazing discoveries, and introduce this as a History lesson into schools, that would lead to such an awakening, from learning from this example we can see how the truth has been oppressed if we can transfer the exact scenario to current times, the elite is always shifting but now they are being jammed into the corner more and more they are being exposed, and fortunately this is becoming a trend, more people amongst Hungarians I have met have an open mind to thinking outside the box and they seem to question journalism and world events more so then in western influenced countries, there is still along way to go to awakening people, so yes baby steps we will get there mate
Thanks Farkas, I’ve known about Anonymous, in fact when I first starting reading these posts I assumed “our” Anonymous was emulating his predecessor. Thanks for the link in English to Gesta! I’ve read parts of it before and tried also to interpret it in Magyar with little results. I am truly overjoyed at the interchange of ideas and knowledge that occurs on this post! There are a lot of scholars without portfolio that reside here!
Have you seen the explosion of runic use within the Magyar hard rock music industry?
HI Hot Paprika,
I firmly believe in evolution, and we are not impervious to it! It’s just that it doesn’t happen consistently or at a rapid pace. We are also capable of long periods of stagnation. Hopefully, with the feudal and communist orders gone, a natural dynamism will kick in such as we have never seen before in our national life. We are our own worst enemy right now; our bane is that self-crippling pessimism, the attitude that says “for every step forward, two steps to the rear”!
HI Szekes!
I’m so glad you could appreciate what we are doing. I would also like to think that a number of others can read and enjoy what we do here, as I assume there are more readers than active posters.
A great many Hungarians, beside myself, are “weisenheimers” when it comes to history! For us, it’s not an abstract and irrelevant subject like it is for the Americans. Historical events have a way of intruding into our national life in a way that the more fortunate Americans can hardly know.
All Hungarians know of Anonymus, but I’ve never heard anyone ask just why he was incognito. King Béla, who commissioned the work, must certainly have known his identity. I believe the anonymity was to protect the writer from the priesthood, who may not have appreciated this kind of historical examination of our pre-Christian past. Their eyes and ears were everywhere, just like the AVO. The priesthood was meddlesome and dangerous; because they were huge landowners, they had an interest to protect. Everyone from our king on down had to live with the possibility of being poisoned or assasinated by them. They were not “Holy Joes”! The work was written only about a 80-100 after our violent and forced conversion. Secular research was still in it’s infancy then. Only scholorship that reinforced the Church was welcome. Anonymus certainly wasn’t dumb or naive; he was playing with fire and he knew it. In spite of his florid invocations to the Blessed Mother, he wasn’t taking chances!
Hi again Szekes,
I feel Hungarian rockers and their fans who take to our runic script are rebelling. They are consciously, or unconsciously rebelling against the last 1000 years of our history, which they must feel have not been empowering for the average person. What good were 900 years of serfdom? What was the point of giving up to a third of the country to the priests? Why couldn’t our leaders defend the nation better against Mongol and Turkish invaders?
It’s about going back and identifying with our pre-christian, pre-”Stephen” past. I bless these young people and encourage them. The pagan Hungarians were militarily powerful and extremely dangerous, hence the young people see in them a “cool” that later feudally enslaved Hungarians did not have.
Whether these youngsters realize it or not, they are in fact giving our founding king and his legacy the “finger”. I for one back them on that 100%. A good sign in our youth, it shows we are not dead yet!
Hotpaprica
I understand that the word ‘Baal’ is not an Egyptian word. It is Hebrew or Heparu and means ‘Lord’. The big god of the philistines was called ‘Zebub’. In the Mishnic texts he is called ‘Baal Zebub’ (lord Zebub) hence the word Beelzebub. The Aten is thought to have been the ‘solar light’ It may have had to do with Baal which is what the ancient (pre the hegemony of the tribe of Judah) Hebrew name for God. It’s use was perverted after the tribe of Judah destroyed Beth-ethl (hope I have spelt that correctly) and the word Jehovah meaning I understand ‘The Lord’ came into use.
The Aten or Aton came into use early in the 18th dynasty and its symbol was the Ankh (hope i have spelt that OK)
So Farkas, what you are saying is that Anonymous was writing within a PC environment even then! And the Serbs and Romanians love his statements on their cultural links to the area, helps them with their historical “claims” to the lands they desire!
The bands I listen to like Hungarica, Karpathia, Eroszakos Romantikus, among others all seem to emphasis either pre-Trianon or Arpad/Conquest era lyrics. A lot of it is very moving and I can see where if it becomes a mainstream genre it could really affect the nation as a whole. If the Hungarians under 30 absorb the feelings that come across from this music then I can see a resulting large movement toward pride in being Hungarian and a cultural shift in their outlook on life, i.e., getting out of the doldrums!
Hi Szekes,
However misguided we may think modern PC is, we can at least be sure that the people who propose it are driven for the most part by well meaning sentimentality. Most PC liberals I’ve met are vapid and silly.
The Catholic priesthood was neither well meaning, sentimental or silly. They were wordly, rotten, power hungry and corrupt to the bone. Our kings had to live in fear of them! They wanted to run and influence eveything up front and behind the scenes. They had tortured and killed many many people over the centuries over doctrinal differences, real and imagined. They poisoned and assisinated! They stirred up trouble behind your back. They stood for totalitarianism and theocracy. When a large group decided that they would like to think for themselves, a violent genocidal crusade was called, like against the unfortunate Albighensians in southern France. Man woman and child exterminated.
Men became priests in the old days so that they could avoid working for a living. The serfs were expected to do that for them. These men wanted everyhting, and gave society very little in return. We really would have been better off clinging to our ancestral religion.
I can’t justify King Stephen’s importation of this toxic and expensive cult into our nation. He degraded himself by accepting a crown from the pope, as such a gesture implied vassalage and had great symbolic and political significance then. He made of himself a papal stooge. Not my idea of patriotism!
Hi again Szekes,
I like these bands as a phenomenon and I am glad the young are feeling this. The young Hungarians are looking for self-respect and pride. The unfortunate thing is that to get that, they have to go back to Árpád’s time; that was kind of long ago.
A love of pre-Stephen synbols, like the runes, the Turul and Árpád’s flag, are ultimately a search for national pride and self respect. To bad they have become associated with 20th century fascism by the Nyilas. To admire Árpád does not necessarily imply agreement with Szálasi. I would rather fly his red-white-red standard rather then the wimpy and pussy looking red white and green tricolor. (Our national tricolor looks too cheerful and non serious; more appropriate to a street festival than a national flag.)
God bless our youth! By looking back in our past, I hope they find the strength and inspiration to move the country into the future!
Farkas, I thought the reason Stephen accepted the Holy Crown was to solidify his nation’s acceptance in the Basin. The Magyars had just spent the last 100 years warring with their neighbors to establish and secure their borders. Stephan saw this as a never ending struggle with the eventual defeat of the Hungarian nation as its population would never be able to match the combined Holy Roman Empire. Was it not this perception that led him to the decision?
Now, run forward 1,000 years, Hungary again is surrounded by stronger entities(economic). It has to look for succor from alliances and relationships that will help secure its (financial) future. So, despite what might not be popular, housing the Gitmo guest workers would be fiscally beneficial to Hungary but will also help to maintain the cooperative relationship with the US. Ever since Jimmy Carter (the lamest leader we have ever had) returned the crown of St Stephan the relationship has steadily improved. I now Ricsi and Hot Pop want to look toward the east but Russia will never be an economical powerhouse and their “friendship” always has a significant relationship cost. Just an opinion!
Szekes,
Hungary is not in the position to make friends, especially not with countries like the USA, Russia and Israel. We would just become a “useful idiot” as long as we jump and obey every time they want something from us. Go to war in Afghanistan, allow FBI agents full access, host political prisoners, buy the stuff no one else wants, etc. This is not in our best interest. We should stay neutral and find an independent way to prosperity. We are too desperate to climb up on the sinking Titanic.
As for the US prisoners, listen to what they say in the US senate, they don’t want any of the terrorist suspects in America, they find the idea too dangerous. Why would we take their mess? Let them deal with it.
Hi Szekes
Here is version explaining the Magyars during the rain of Istvan, alsothere is a link below with an interesting version that makes more sense then the current version of History.
During the Middle Ages, the Church was a political power Because the Germans were unable to make Hungary a vassal by military means, they decided they would first convert the Magyars (who even today are still called “pagan”) to Western Christianity and then they would be able to overpower them politically. This is why the missionaries to Hungary were almost all Germans. The Germans did not expect much resistance from the Magyars because they knew that Bulcsu himself had been a Christian of the Eastern rite. Luitprandt, Bishop of Cremona, in 910 had written that the people of Magyarország were obviously Christian.
http://www.magtudin.org/Homeland%202.htm
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Botos Laszlo