Around 10 percent of the Hungarian public sympathises with the radical nationalist Magyar Garda movement, according to a survey by the Progressive Institute published on Sunday.
If the movement were a political party it would have the backing of 9 percent of voters, according to the survey of 2,500 adults.
The Garda — which is appealing against a court ban — is closely allied to Jobbik, a radical nationalist party which, according to polls, has sufficient support to cross the five percent threshold for seats in parliament.
The Progressive Institute said in an accompanying report that there is clearly a greater openness in Hungary today towards extremist movements. Its survey found that many people are increasing under the pressures of poverty and job losses resulting from the financial and economic crisis.
People are also worried about crime and violence. Whereas they do not want to take any greater responsibility for their self-defence, they do want greater protection.
Jobbik registered the Magyar Garda in June 2007 as a “cultural organisation” to “prepare youth spiritually and physically for extraordinary situations when it might be necessary to mobilise the people.”
The Guard, which has recruited well over 1,000 militiamen, has staged several marches to intimidate the Roma community in several localities. Its activity has drawn condemnation both in Hungary and abroad, drawing harsh protests from the parliamentary parties, NGOs and minority organisations alike.
Jobbik, however, officially dissociates itself from attacks against the Roma and recently described the Holocaust as a “tragic event”, though it does not support an initiative to bring a constitutional amendment banning Holocaust denial.
Poor old Hungary. Some idiots just can’t get enough of extremists.
So who are the “extremists”? The ruling criminal gang that sold Hungary? Or the small group of Hungarians, trying to get it back?
But they certainly have had enough of liberalist’s and commies(the new elite)Thank God
It is interesting though the Magyar Garda gets double the support than its political arm, Jobbik.
Would be interesting the hear some analyse from some of all these MIEP/Jobbik-aliases that is spread around this site.
As ricsi an I have discussed before, this is a good ground to field autonomous ideas inside the Garda.
We have already seen the first split and as I pointed out there is much to learn from the history of the ancestors of Magyar Garda, the Italian Blackshirts.
ricsi always claimed that because Vona Gabor holds the Presidency of both Jobbik and Magyar Garda, then there will never be a split. So far this has not stopped public infighting and very public split.
This doesn’t surprise me at all… like ‘em or hate ‘em, the Garda haven’t acted like jackasses and/or been caught breaking the law, unlike most of the political class. Obviously, as a classic ‘cosmopolitan’ I am not happy about this development, but I am willing to give credit where credit is due. These folks are keeping their cool and more or less acting responsibly, and their public image is benefiting as a result.
Most of the Garda are your average run of the Mill citizen who wants to contribute to Hungarian society, there not thugs beating anyone. There will always be an element that may try to infiltrate the Garda to become provocateurs, and there was a group which Vona Gabor highlighted and separated himself from. It’s a great effort on the behalf of a volunteer organization. They are disciplined considering the clashes that may have occurred.
Fairygodmother,
“They are disciplined considering the clashes that may have occurred.”
But, you never put them in any situation where it can be any clash. Just Sunday-walks and Parades.
Where is the Garda during the riots later in the day?
Then you already changed dress or gone home?
Viking,you must be a very bored man,swamping this forum with your drivel,however just to humour you–please cite one incident in which ‘Gárda’ were involved in riots,race attacks etc… just one incident ….
until then stop fantasising and grow up.
Go home Viking.
fabian,
I have not claimed that Magyar Garda has been involved in any riots. I was asking from Fairygodmother’s post:
“They are disciplined considering the clashes that may have occurred.”
Which “clashes that may have occurred”?
Does not Budahazy criticize the Garda for avoiding the ‘real fight’?
Budahazy need to grow up also?
Piss off Viking
Fairygodmother,
“Piss off Viking”.
I don think so, but it would be funny to see you say that to Budahazy…
Maybe you need to grow up first though, to match his weight.
Get lost, Viking.
Godot, why are defending the “disciplined” Garda?
I thought you were more a Budahazy-guy?
A bit more action and splash?
It’s a shame that Hungary is tainted by a not so large but very vocal body of racists and extremists hiding behind the so-called injustices of the past. In terms of enlightenment, Hungary is about 45 years behind Western Europe. However, talk to over 95 per cent of Hungarians and they will not confiorm the result of this study.
Chrissie says: “talk to over 95 per cent of Hungarians”
Wow! 95% of 10 million! That’s a lot of Hungarians.
Did you do all that talking by yourself?
Any idea what the word “extremist” means in Hungary?
Well, you’re an “extremist” if you don’t support the current government and don’t agree with the ruling party. What did you think it meant?
As per usual this page gets swamped with the same old drivel from the “usual suspects/protagonists”.
Why not, for a change, try and broaden the discussion toward issues that really matter.
The incestuous nonsense that appears week after week simply drives away the more intelligent and level-headed commentators.
Let us hear more from people who have positive ideas and suggestions on how Hungary and Hungarians can best overcome their current problems.
Abusive and un-called for name-calling by allegedly, informed contributors, goes little way
to convincing the onlooker that Hungary is a good country with decent people.
Just to ask…what does Jobbik, or the Guard,
think of:
1. Chinese/Asians
2. Blacks/Africans
3. Russians
4. Other Slavs
5. Roma
6. The rest of Europe
Curious, really. I’ve a friend who supports Jobbik
and the Guard who tells me that neither org is
against foreigners, just against so called “Roma
crime” and the socialists. IS this true? His
wishful thinking?
Th Magyar Garda have a diverse category of souls, you can’t box in a group of people into one path of thought.
I have spoken to some of them at a Bogracs and there were all catogories of professions, trades people, unskilled ,students and elderly, there your average people wanting a better Hungary for christ sakes, their not people who are going to be fooled easily by the media, they have a finger on the pulse and have a better idea of world politics then the average Tesco and materialistic consumer, they want to make positive moral and ethical changes to Hungary. Look at the mess the current Liers and corrupt Socialists have created.
Csaba, rest assured, no-one needs convincing that ‘that Hungary is a good country with decent people’. As an ethnic Hungarian who has lived my whole life in the Anglosphere,I know for sure that Hungary and Hungarians are liked and admired. Jobbik and Garda nationalism is going down particularly well in the UK nowadays. The media worth of deprecation is actually counter-productive. People are remembering that nationalism seeks the national good, and that it is ‘against’ only those who work against the national good.
Sophie and Magda @
at last two intelligent and honest observations about the real state of play here today.My congratulations to you ladies.
@ magdi “Th Magyar Garda have a diverse category of souls” = a diverse category of knuckle draggers
@ (ill named) sophie “Jobbik and Garda nationalism is going down particularly well in the UK nowadays” – only amongst the BNP and Nick Griffin’s (currently) Islam-hating, Israel-loving, mixed-up chums
@ fabian “My congratulations to you ladies” – patronising tosser.
When we come to the question on Russia above, then a hint can be to look at:
(http://www.jobbik.com/?p=152)
“Jobbik now is in a lone position in Hungary by supporting Russia
…
The new Russia should be a natural choice of Hungary in the region and Jobbik will support the reconsideration of current and improving future diplomatic and economic relations between Russia and Hungary”
—————–
So what is the Jobbik position to the Russian Naval Base on Crimea, now when the lease is going out?
Should Russia be allowed to keep it or should Ukraine be freed from Russian dominance?
How is support to an increased Russian dominance in the Ukraine going to increase the Hungarian minority’s position in the Ukraine?
Let the region sort out these issues, you ask silly irrevelent questions, the real issue is that Putin exiled the Oligarchs and has saved his nation for the time being from Mafia Tribe rule, Your just a nit picker Anonymous. For Hungary to blossom we have to also remove these shackles and Putin has the experince
Your lord and master@ ‘patronising tosser’ ? No I just appreciate intelligence when I see it,something you sadly lack,silly English man.
Sorry I was the Anonymous at May 18, 2009 9:33 PM, my mistake.
Vlag, I would like to see you explain this to the Hungarian minority in the Ukraine.
That is the funny thing with Nationalists, they are nice people until they are neighbours.
Like the Serbian Nationalists, Russia’s best friend in the region, works very good with the Hungarians.
And the Slovaks…
Explains for the Finns and the people in the Baltic States that it is good now when Russia is getting stronger.
That you really do not want to do it to the Hungarians I can understand.
Russia should have been dealt with in 1945, General Patton had a “final solution” for them, but the Stalin-loving pussies didn’t let him go for it.
They though the Krauts were the bad guys.
Another blunder you can chalk up to Roosevelt and Churchill.
Now it’s too late to cage the Russian Bear, and Hungarians must live in their neighborhood. The next war will be for the remaining natural resources, and it will not be pretty. Overpopulation, depleting resources, increasing pollution, an emerging Asia with a growing appetite for western lifestyle, and so on. Never mind the rules, soon there will be new ones, and Hungary will find itself in the middle of yet another major disaster, with the same chances to get out of it as before. Insane greed, religions and stupidity will do it again. Anyone knows a nice planet for sale? Time to start packing.
Interesting point you raised, the Ukraines’ actually aren’t blind as you make out. I have several Ukrainian friends and they don’t support the Ukraine President and can see that the EU is causing the friction in the Ukraine, these people are so sick of the politics they don’t believe in a savior anymore, all they want is to live a normal peaceful life. There not supporting the EU as the west assumes, they know exactly whats going on, I was surprised on how they supported Putin and also made remarks about the EU enslaving the people of Europe into an Orwellian state, however there stuck in the middle of filthy politics. There in a worse position then Hungary.
Sophie – “As an ethnic Hungarian who has lived my whole life in the Anglosphere,I know for sure that Hungary and Hungarians are liked and admired”
You must have mistaken their ignorance for admiration. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o-RrkRu44U
They have yet to read these boards or meet Hungarians(homegrown & imported) in their natural environment.
Fabian you write like a hurt child.
Vlag,
Obviously we do not have the same friends…
Mine do not want the ‘Total and Strong’ State that is the work of the Chekists. Of course what you would call the “Jewish Russian Mafia” has gone away, just to be replaced by the Mafia-State.
In the Soviet Union, the KGB was a state within a state. Now former KGB officers are running the state. They have custody of the country’s 6,000 nuclear weapons, entrusted to the KGB in the 1950s, and they now also manage the strategic oil industry renationalized by Putin. The KGB successor, rechristened FSB, still has the right to electronically monitor the population, control political groups, search homes and businesses, infiltrate the federal government, create its own front enterprises, investigate cases, and run its own prison system. The Soviet Union had one KGB officer for every 428 citizens. Putin’s Russia has one FSB-ist for every 297 citizens.
Vona Gabor is a studied historian so he can confirm this, so when Jobbik is writing:
“we have to realise that this Russia is not the same as the Soviet Union. Communists in Hungary remained and transferred their power in the last 18 years” (http://www.jobbik.com/?p=152).
Are they true – Same thing did not happen in Russia?
Old KGB-officers did not belong to the old Communist-party?
Are not Jobbik for that all old Communists are thrown out of public life? But why is it then OK in Russia?
Where is the logic?
Except to suck up to the new Master.
Anonymous, your link is coroboration of the abysmal geographic ignorance of Americans. National Geographic has has lamented this ignorance often. Here is one report: http://www.cnn.com/2006/EDUCATION/05/02/geog.test/
How pathetic your effort to undermine Hungarian international standing is! What motivates you? I am delighted that you can find no grist for your seditious mill, you creep.
Sophie, you’re doing a fine job undermining of Hungary’s international standing (& supposed intelligence) with your drivel. Way to go Sheila.
anonymous
@ Actually Sophie is one of the few here to ask intelligent questions and make intelligent comments,
if that is drivel to you,then evidently you are the problem here,not her.
Unfortunately your wrong again Viking, all your comments are biased towards the EU propaganda, at least the state of Russia is legally in the hands of the Russian Government not the Multi-National Tribe.
Putin = Russian property &
EU = Jewish Mafia Oligarchs
Keep it simple an refined instead of all your waffle!
Magdi. It’s not just the people at your buli who want to see “ethical changes” within Hungarian society. Everyday I listen to Hungarians complaining about Tesco and its inferior products
et. But, the truth is that the rural economy is in tatters – many villages are just ghost towns. None of the EU/IMF money is getting through to the
“worthy” causes that would improve the lives of many poor Hungarians.
The situation is very bad indeed. People are looking to extreme groups for answers. A solid government that has the “spine” to carry through badly-needed reforms would be the order of the day. Will it happen?
Not this side of tomorrow.
If Jobbik and Garda going down well in the UK is an intelligent comment, then the famed intelligence is a myth. Alternatively, we’ve got 2 Hungarian idiots here. One who made the statement, and another who doesn’t see it.
Venemous Anonymous balks at the thought of the Garda and Jobbik going down well in the UK. In fact, nationalism is burgeoning here, particularly on law-and-order, immigrant-invasion and corrupt-politician platforms. The BNP’s Nick Griffin has done a sterling job of introducing both Jobbik and the Garda to the Brits. I only wish the BNP had an image a hundredth-part as glamorous as the latters’, and so, I suspect, does Griffin. So suck eggs, Venemous.
Vlag,
Yes you have an easy life, just ‘blame the jews!’.
Sometimes I actually envy simple minds like yours and your fellow Jobos.
No mental work needed – answer already ready.
No questions asked – answer already there.
I wonder though why you at all read anything – the conclusion is already drawn?
Ahh, wait. You must find out where to go and worship the Great Leader.
I think this place is not the place for that though – I would recommend Jobbik.com or Barrikad.hu for that.
Here you risk to come across some ‘disinformation’, dangerous!
Tingeling!
Only one simple mind here,and that’s the one that keeps ‘tingleing’
Very sad really.
fabian,
Yes, I really understand that you feel with the unfortunate staff at the Russian Embassy in Stockholm.
Freedom of expression is a terrible thing.
Tingeling!
Viking@Just to humour you I will reply–I do not give a shit about Russian embassy staff in Stockholm or anywhere else ,OK ?
Your stupid comments are making me ‘tingle’ and giving me ball’s ache!
carry on tinglingggggggggggg children.
Venomous Sophie dear,not venemous. Typical of BNP idiots who drop out of school early! Kelly’s got more brains!
anonymous@ Ah ! The classic ‘can not counter your comment so lets criticise your spelling/grammar’ tactic.
Fabian- no,its ‘never counter an argument which doesn’t exist’.
Sophie
Contrary to your own belief, actually, you are remarkably ignorant.
Sorry to inform you that this is how you come across to other people. Must be dissaponting for you.
Oh well!
JD,
It must be a “dissaponting” to be you.
Actually the BNP are not a lot like Jobbik. While Jobbik appeal to some educated young Hungarians the BNP’s appeal is mainly to jobless no-hopers.
BN, who said the BNP is like Jobbik?
(I expect that another spelling error will appear in my post, just a few hours after I send it. Erik, your zio-fascism is showing.)
Godot and the few remaining Hungarian patriots on this blog: I wish I had been able to read more from you. Keep up the good work!
Sophie – Thanks. I’m writing slower now so that you can keep up.
Erik – you is doing mighty fine fixing her spellin’. Yeah,I knows,you cain’t do nuthin’ bout her cents.
Anyways, I’m hungary! Gonna grab me some supper now.
THE jobik and the magyar vgarda is a neonaci organization like the NYILAS PARTY during world 2
They are dangerous and Hungary most liquidate them
That’s giving them too much credit. The Nyilaskereszt party was a
dominant force in political life in the ’40s and eventually took over
the government. The Garda, by comparison, are a rather small
bunch of bored twits who enjoy dressing up in snappy uniforms
and play-acting at being vigilante heroes. Thank God, 90% of the
population still recognizes these losers for what they are.
Well from 2% to 5% now 10% and growing organic trend, we will see what will happen when our voices will be really heard in the future, when our real policies are focused on instead of the fearful medias dirty campaign to tarnish our true purpose, which is to help Hungarians and the nation.
Sophie my dear, you do realise that most BNP voters don’t want ‘Eastern Europeans’ like you in the country, don’t you?
And we dont want foreigners buying up our land , so tit for tat.
Marischka, jona, JD, Viking, BNPwhathisname, etc.
If these dimwits are afraid of the Garda, it cannot be that bad after all.
Godot I’m pleased to see you can copy and paste someone else’s post. Too bad that’s your only opportunity for originality. Oh I forgot, you claim to be Hungarian, you don’t do originality.
Sophie, looking forward to you being chucked out the UK by your BNP mates. No doubt some of the facist back here might have something to say about your verbose practise of “the freedom of speech”.
Oh, it’s all so joyful and revolutionary until reality hits and the idiots with these ignorant views start to run your life.
No-one is safe from ignorance and contrary to popular belief, it is not bliss!
JD, what the hell are you talking about? When did I copy anyone else’s post? Why would I do that?
And what’s with that BNP crap? I never go to the UK, that place just sucks if you want to know.
Godot, not just the IQ of a goldfish but the memory and reading capability of one too.
“JD,
It must be a “dissaponting” to be you.”
Godot at May 20, 2009 11:15 PM
JD, what the hell are you talking about? When did I copy anyone else’s post? Why would I do that?
And what’s with that BNP crap? I never go to the UK, that place just sucks if you want to know.
I’m a raging homo and I would love to feel Dongzilla’s ding-dong slide in and out of my mouth.
Hot Paprika is off his meds again. As always your style gives you away. somebody disagrees with you and you go off on homoerotic fantasies posted under the critic’s name. You are a sad loser, HP. Go back to OZ.
Dozsa@ As I am sure you know,this as nothing to do with hotpaprika. just a few childish trolls out to destroy freedom of speech on behalf of the children at JIDF .