Jobbik will not hold any consultations with Fidesz from now on because it is attacking Jobbik rather than the left-wing parties in the European Parliament election campaign, press chief of the far-right party Előd Novák told reporters in Dunavarsány on Monday.
Novák said the campaign is proving that support for Jobbik is rising steadily, particularly in the provinces, that their movement has a considerable support base in rural communities, and that even police are showing an interest in them.
Earlier in the day Jobbik signed a co-operation agreement with the Police Union Ready for Action which includes 74% of Budapest Police’s NCOs, Novák revealed.
He said Jobbik would do its best to restore the gendarmerie that existed from the late 19th century until the 1940s, in order to stem “police brutality”.
Justice and Law Enforcement Minister Tibor Draskovics later requested an examination of the agreement between Jobbik and the police union to ascertain whether the agreement and its content are within the regulations that guarantee the non-political nature of police work.
‘best to restore the gendarmerie … in order to stem “police brutality”.’
Could any of you Jobos explain for a simple foreigner how a para-military police force would be better suited to police the countryside?
Why is it not better to educate, train, motivate the existing officers and the new ones that are obviously needed?
How can it be cheaper for the tax-payer (of whom we find not so many in the countryside) to build up a totally separate organisation that will fight with the normal Police on resources and honour?
@Viking
Inkal security is costing MSZP Hungarian Tax payers, For a Private Israel Security Firm
2005: 13 000 milliárd Ft
2006: 16 000 milliárd Ft
2007: 19 000 milliárd Ft
2008: 21 000 milliárd Ft
gendarmerie will be Hungarian, concentrate on providing a safer rural environment for the Hungarian communities , not like the current AVO INKAL security.
A shit-for-brains government that cannot get a single thing right, or left, engenders extreme
alternatives of every hue and colour.
Re-training is required everywhere: police,teachers,lecturers,job skills, local government administrators et al.
The EU aid money should have been used to support and address these issues. Instead, large chunks – millions of euros have been given by the government to the MNB to “buy the forint” in order to maintain its strength on the foreign exchange markets. Has that strategy helped? Ask the tens of thousands having to repay loans from a swiss franc perspective. They’re well up shit creek without a paddle!
A candle will be lit for any alternative other than what the current bunch of incompetents turn out. Local police force based on a model from the distant past? Extreme political parties taking centre stage with minimal support (but growing).
The rich tapestry of Hungarian political parties and their never-ending useless – “get out of jail quick” solutions. Jobbik may be the catylyst that makes the lazy good for nothing encumbents and those in waiting, get off their arses and do something positive and constructive for a change.
Phew! Off for some tea now. TTFN
Spot, on, Vlag, when you said: ‘gendarmerie will be Hungarian, concentrate on providing a safer rural environment for the Hungarian communities , not like the current AVO INKAL security’. And Grolsch is right off when he assumes that the new gendarmerie would be ‘a local police force based on a model from the distant past’. First of all, the old gendarmerie (csendörség) were army, not police-force, men. (Hence the term ‘gendarmerie’, Grolsch.) Also, it is as well to remember that the French gendarmerie are universally credited with being the best policing authority in the country. Reviving the csendörség is a brilliant idea of Jobbik.
Is it not wonderful that one ask a question why a para-military police force is needed on the Hungarian countryside and get an answer of an Israeli security company….
Well they are not in the countryside doing police work, so they are as relevant as BKV Kontrolörs in this question.
Miss Sophie’ comment “remember that the French gendarmerie are universally credited with being the best policing authority in the country” is the hammer of this week.
Yeaah, more French Gendarmes in Hungary!
Vive La Trianon!
One more time – what is wrong with *more* normal police officers?
Anyway what-ever organisation the will work for the same Masters – The Hungarian State, so *what* is the difference, except that Jobbik has presented one more impossible mission on the verge to the ludicrus?
viking@Actually he answered your question,only you are too stupid to realise.You asked about the tax payers money to pay for this ‘gendarmie’ and he showed you clearly the source of the money to pay for this.But I will put it in clearer words to help you–kick Inkal out of Hungary and release those millions for real Hungarian police protection. CLEAR?
fabian, fabian
Now you are not reading/understanding the question again:
“to build up a totally separate organisation”
from the Normal Police.
I did *not* ask how to finance this.
I asked *why* it was not better to spend money on more and better normal Police?
Simple question – avoiding answers.
If you want to remove INKAL from the budget, OK for me, but what that to do with *how* this money should be spent.
Is it the 5th time I asked this question the last week, without any answer…
Obviously university education does not take that far.
@Viking where are the para military? they are unarmed civilian volunteers.
Vlag,
Előd ‘said Jobbik would do its best to restore the gendarmerie that existed from the late 19th century until the 1940s, in order to stem “police brutality”.’
“The Csendőrség was dispersed throughout Hungary in small garrisons of 5 to 15 men with one non-commissioned officer in charge. All investigations and law enforcement was carried out by the enlisted personnel.”
(http://www.csendor.com/angol/)
So, what are you meaning now?
That Gendarmes are “unarmed civilian volunteers”?
That is not the definition of ‘enlisted personnel’, hardly the definition of a Police Force either.
So the countryside should not have the right of protection by the State, in the form of a Police Force?
Why just limit this to the countryside?
Apologies I had Garda on my mind, been a long day, im going to bed sweet dreams!
Sophie. You have misunderstood and misquoted my
previous article. I support the retraining of officers in the police force and any alternatives
of “policing” methods in Hungary that might have the potential of working better in practice.
I do not buy wholesale any radical move to implement policing methods that were used in the distant past (because they were successful then) and, I also do not buy into your analogy with the
French gendamarie. The French look after their farmers. Come and have a look in the hundreds of villages around Hungary and see how the MSZP have looked after ours (farmers).
Another “catastrophe” about to happen is the ptoposedintroduction of another airport at
Lake Balaton.
Oddly, enough, proposed by an offshore consortium from the Seychelles??
Ring any bells – Stan, Viking,Anonymous, Robi, Dr Ki Erik,Godot,Sophie et al?
Concentrate on these and similar issues instead of trying to take each other apart on this forum.
Grolsch, I cannot work out where you think I misunderstood you. And I drew no analogy at all. I pointed out that the concept ‘gendarmerie’ is quite distinct from ‘police force’: a gendarme is a soldier with civic duties. And I called attention to the contemporary successful existence of the French gendarmerie to point out that there is nothing old-hat about a military form of policing authority.
Still no one come up with an argument why it would be *better and cheaper* to start up a totally new and competing policing force on the Hungarian countryside, *then* just hire more normal cops.
Seems like our resident Jobos have no clue on this one
http://www.csendor.com/angol/index.html
Seems the the csendor are honourable high ranking service men. They were very selective,and only those with exemplary service records were permitted to transfer to the gendarmerie. Here they received additional training, and upon the completion of a probationary period and successfully passing a written exam, they were accepted as full members.
So if they were recruited they would be passionate about there duties for national interest. This would make locals feel safe and secure again within the regional area’s of Hungary. Definatley be better about not sure cost wise, however the money saved on spending on the Inkal could be redirected to the csendors not a Israel backed private security firm. I believe the security of our people of the countryside would encourage the return of moral and ethics back into our regional area’s especially areas where there are high rates of crime.
In the early 1900′s the work field of the gendarmerie was the rural part of the country, where the majority of the population lived at the time. As the result of the effective work of the gendarmes, the public safety record of Hungary had reached the level of the safest West European areas.
Still no reason why it would be *better and cheaper* to start up a totally new and competing policing force on the Hungarian countryside, *then* just employ more ordinary police officers.
What they did between 1881 and 1940s is hardly an issue here, then no one is alive from that time who was serving and would be able to serve now. Just more hot air and repetition of previous posts.
Viking your an idiot,
Grumpy,
Nice to see that you have improved your spelling.
How about improving your arguments also?
Still no reason why it would be *better and cheaper* to start up a totally new and competing policing force on the Hungarian countryside, *then* just employ more ordinary police officers.
Viking,
You are an idiot.
No spelling errors here, only the facts.
Godot,
Nice to see that you have found your soul-mate, some one to play with in the webified sandbox.
I will not dispute your ‘facts’ then they are in your brain and that seems to be a too scary place for subhumanists like me to visit.
For argumentation skills, you are still at a grumpy level, so again:
Still no reason why it would be *better and cheaper* to start up a totally new and competing policing force on the Hungarian countryside, *then* just employ more ordinary police officers.
Viking your an idiot, here is the definition. “Idiot” was originally created to refer to “layman, person lacking professional skill”, “person so mentally deficient as to be incapable of ordinary reasoning”. Declining to take part in public life, such as democratic government of the polis (city state), such as the Athenian democracy, was considered dishonorable. “Idiots” were seen as having bad judgment in public and political matters. Over time, the term “idiot” shifted away from its original connotation of selfishness and came to refer to individuals with overall bad judgment–individuals who are “stupid”. In modern English usage, the terms “idiot” and “idiocy” describe an extreme folly or stupidity, and its symptoms (foolish or stupid utterance or deed). In psychology, it is a historical term for the state or condition now called profound mental retardation.
Grumpy,
Thanks for the definition, but that was hardly what I asked for, right?
If you now continue in your Google-attempts and try to find the answer to this extremely hard to answer riddle:
Why it would be *better and cheaper* to start up a totally new and competing policing force on the Hungarian countryside, *then* just employ more ordinary police officers.
“Idiots” were seen as having bad judgment in public and political matters.
http://morvaikrisztina.hu/
Grumpy,
The definition ‘”Idiots” were seen as having bad judgment in public and political matters’, seems then to apply to all Jobos, that still cannot give a
reason why it would be *better and cheaper* to start up a totally new and competing policing force on the Hungarian countryside, *then* just employ more ordinary police officers.
Just to demand something that, maybe, worked OK 100 years ago, without being able to describe why it would be better, seems to clearly apply to the definition above. Myself, I would though not use those arguments in a debate.
Idiot if you read all the comments it’s in plain English. You are an Idiot!
Grumpy, Grumpy.
You have attended an Hungarian University, right?
So I will take it s l o w e l y, this time:
So far no one has come up with any reasoning *why* it would be *better and cheaper* to build up a *new and separate police force* than just improve and enforce the *existing* Police with more and better Officers.
This has nothing to do with Magyar Garda (which one Jobo earlier thought), they will be paid salaries, they are not volunteers, they need to be the best of the current Hungarian NATO-soldiers. Just read the link that both myself and Mr. King have supplied.
What do you think is the cheapest:
1) Recruit and train an Hungarian NATO-soldier for several years and then when he gets a bit old/bored, get him over to Police School and re-train him there. Much of his Military training is rather useless for Police work (if he was not a Military Police (MP), but how many of those does Hungary have?).
2) Recruit and train a well-motivated young person that actually wants to become a Police Officer.
You also have to calculate the expected salary for the young Police Officer and the re-trained old NATO-soldier. Who do you think expect an higher salary? It is our taxes that will pay that salary, so we have to take care here and be smart with our money.
Grumpy, when you have figured out the answers, it will hopefully be interesting to read your comments.
Viking you must be related to Adrian, he is an arrogant ignorant liberal also.
I’m beginning to see that you are the same drop kicks, don’t waste my time with you continuous dribble, any normal person other then an idiot can see where the truth lies, you have done your dash so piss off! Simple cut the payments to the INKAL and we have more money, and as they say pay peanuts attract monkies.
Grumpy,
Yes, we have more money. If you read my posts above you will see that I have no problem with that.
BUT that has never ever been my question, so why are all Jobos (or you are the same guy and just change aliases to give the impression to be sooo many?) stuck with this answer? Due to your high intelligence, or?
So, the question is still:
*why* it would be *better and cheaper* to build up a *new and separate police force* than just improve and enforce the *existing* Police with more and better Officers?
Is there any special reason you want NATO-soldiers in the Hungarian countryside to do Police work?
Your an Idiot!
Grumpy: you are an Australian Troll not worth the nobility of ther term Dwarf, so get back on your Australian state subsidized anti-psychosis meds! Nthing we can do about the inability to spell, though. Learn Hungarian sometime, the spelling system is more regular.
Dozsa if your refering to me I am pure Hungarian you dipstick! most of Europe is influenced by the Summerian race my ancestors are the Sumer. The lands of Skitia, which the jesuits rewrote. We are the original people of the Karpathians, always have and always will since the fall of Atlantis.
Grumpy,
So you are:
- Hungarian,
- Sumer,
- Scythian
Wow, you are a worse mix than my dogs, but I assume you have a pedigree to prove that.
Anybody want to take bets that Grumpy is really a Schwab with a bit of Bekes County Slovak thrown in?
Appears like the lefties are on the rampage and trying to deface this site.
Any reasonable comment is bombarded by these spineless devils.
“Deface this site?” Did you Jobbik Cult followers somwhow get ownership of this forum? Are you now mediating it? What about your free speech concerns, old chap? Your definition of a “reasonable comment” includes the old acid trip trash about Sumerians and Atlantis? Tell, me, “Lajos” – did you ever read anything printed on paper by people who earned degrees? No, I didn’t think so. If you want to be a public laughingstock, just go stand on the street and share your views in public – no chance of “site defacement” there. you are typical of the expat far-right: you talk pure rubbish and then act hurt. Pathetic, but amusing.
Your pathetic Dozsa, this is the what i was referring you attack people personally from the comments read this is how it appears, talk to the hand, and if you have a degree its not worth the paper it’s printed on.
Are your jobbik handlers unhappy that you don’t have the know-how to set up your own web site? If you were a Hungarian ytou wouldn’t be busy posting here. But you are an expat wanker, and no, we won’t go away. We who do have educations have to keep you Atlantean Neo-Nazis in the position of explaining your imbecilic lies to show how stupid you are. You may not like that, but it won’t ever cease, wanker.
Love you Dozsa xxxxxx
Lajos,
“you attack people personally from the comments”
Do you include your friends:
Stan, Godot, Grumpy, fabian, Sophie, King, Bugsy Siegel, Right, and some more I probably forgot, in that statement?
I mean, who normally screams that anyone else is ‘Jew, Zionist, communist, stupid, idiot, foreigner, etc.’ on these pages?
HotPaprika, you always give yourself away by your “love you too” tag. And your spooning homoerotica. And the fact that you can’t spell. Or the fact that you can’t speak Hungarian. And how simply, obviously straight out imbecilic and sociopathic you are. You are a parasite on the Australian people (don’t forget your tax payer provided meds!) and a parasite on the Hungarian people. Why don’t you just go Home to OZ and face those charges, already? You do nobody any good here in Hungary. Expat wanker!
Csok Csok Csok !!
Who is HP?
HP/Lajos/Dwarf, you don’t have the ability to recognize your own posting style? Nobody else is as gay-obsessive as you. Did you pick that up in the slammer in OZ? You can’t enter into forum discssions with Hungarian right wingers on their sites because you can’t write in Hungarian, so you come here and act like you are some forum moderator. Man, that is how you spell P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C. Egy szárhazi senki vagy, és jól tudod ez már.
Dozsa there are pills and institutions for your condition, you Psycho!! Palestine is too hot for you so you want to come here, i dont think it will be easy as you anticipated. Ra ta tat tat!!
Nailed you, you Aussie poser. Go back home, and stop disgracing Hungarians with your idiotic Sumerian drivel (incidentally, it is spelled “Schythian”) and homo-obsessed rants. Egy olyan undorító, mégpedig különösen aljas fajta vagy akit nem kell ebben az orszagunkban. Takaríts!
Dozsa is a Buzsi !Buzsi !Buzsi ! oi oi oi
Ht Paprika/Grumpy/Lajos: for your information, it is spelled “buzi” in Hungarian, which you have obviously not spent any time learning during your vacation here in Hungary. And notice how often you choose to use homoerotic taunts in your attacks? That is because you can not get away from the homosexual images that crowd your brain when upset. Why do you think that is?
Grumpy,
If so (which I have not a clue about or even interested in) Dozsa is in good companionship with Jörg Haider then. You can ask yourself why Vona Gabor met him so often.
Uniforms and homo-sexuality are good companions.
As I remember, HotParika (Grumpy, Lajos) shaves his head and likes to wear shorts… “Heros And Gay Nazis” is a documentary film about the phenomenom of Gay Nazis and can be seen in eight parts on youtube. Apparently, 10-15% of German Neo-Nazi Leaderrship are Gay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy_A8n_3R1A&feature=PlayList&p=E4270DD14F745C16&index=0
Well seems you are very familiar with the spelling Buzsi Buzsi Buzsi oi oi oi !! I dont give a shit if i spell this incorrectlly as long as you get the message !! you Buszi!
Of course you don’t care how you spell it. You are an Australian tourist. You don’t care a whit about anything that affects Hungary or Hungarians as long as you can fart into the atmosphere and feel that you have made a statement. But that’s all your hot air is: it smells like poo and it excites you. Nobody takes you seriously, you pathetic wanker. But it is fun to watch you make a damn fool of yourself!
Dozsa is an Idiot!