Please accept our apologies for somehow never mentioning that Hungary’s terrifying new “Nazi” leader is happily married to a Jew

I really don’t understand the whole anti-Jewish anti-Israeli rhetoric going around in Hungary? Do you people really think the Jews are trying to take over the world? Do you really believe the Israelis are trying to take over Hungary?
If this is true – it only means Hungary and the Hungarians have not developed since the WW2, and might have even gone backwards..
Wake up! People are exactly the same! It doesn’t matter which religion you have been born into, or which country you’re from! Start acting like human beings, and not nationalistic air heads!

Which proves Jobbik is not ‘anti-semite’ once and for all,any person who puts Hungary first is eligible–be he Jew,or any other faith. This is no big deal,an interview was published last year with an Hungarian Jewish man who joined Jobbik also.
Now all you Jobbik haters go back to the drawing board and try again!

The top people in the Obama adminsitration: emmanuel, axelrod, summers, berhake, orszag, geitner, summers, rattner, bloom, feldman, hamburg. They have one thing in common. Christians need not apply. Why do they hate christian people so much is my question when we dont hate anyone.

“Wake up! We’re all the same! Stop categorizing people, in order to make yourself feel better about yourself!”
LOL, that is the kind of thinking that had Hungary in communist tyranny for almost 50 years! Communism, no thanks…..universial brotherhood and solidarity, no thanks…..You lunatic leftists think everyone is the same, wake up….
Stalin, Lenin, Marx, Kun Bela, Kadar….Kaput!

Gandi, I meant to say we’re all Human!
I said nothing about spreading the wealth nor against capitalism!
What kept Hungarians under communist rule for so many years, had nothing to do with leftist extremist, but a ruthless bunch of people who enjoyed their power, and used it to suppress half of Europe. They used nationalist ideology (sound familiar) to sell the people a dream, that everybody knew won’t come true, and many people didn’t believe in, but went along with it to feel better about themselves.
Hungary is no different from anywhere else in the world, nor are Hungarians any different from the rest. We all suffer from the same problems, and worry about the same things. Hate for one group or another will only make the situation worst! What is needed is good people with good ideas, not people selling cheap populism!

WTF, they did not use a nationalist idealogy, they used an INTERNATIONALIST idealogy, much like what you are saying, we are all the same human beings etc (International solidarity and brotherhood). BTW, I wasn’t talking about the political or economic tenants of communism, but the social ones, almost identical to the multicultural crap that is promoted by today’s Neo-Coms (ultra-left-wing). In all history, it is natural or normal to be with your own people…most empires and states that kept their own people and culture strong…survived. Those that brought in “other” peoples and cultures were doomed as it was these other peoples who replaced the original majority.

Gandi, what you say is correct, according to 300 years ago!!
Welcome to the modern world, where the current super powers of the world are the most diverse; For example – the United States! It’s true, they’re nationalistic, but they let each other believe what every they want(look at Scientology)! Another super power example, Germany, where after the second world war, ran out of working young men, and had to import cheap labor (Turkey). And here’s another one for you – Australia.. And the list goes on…
On the other hand, you have Hungary, with a minimum amount of immigrants, with a minimum amount of diversity within the country – lagging behind all of Europe. Nationalism is a thing of the past. Realism, pragmatism and humanism are what push the world forward.
Diversity and freedom of thought are what make the world a better place. Stop thinking you’re better than all the rest!

Morvai’s cynicism and manipulativeness knows no boundaries. The significance of the Jobbik in the EU elections is part of a larger plan put in play by the rightist British National Party (BNP)to support right wing nationalist, anti-EU parties such as the Flemish Block and the French National Front in an attempt to gain a powerful nationalist right wing faction in the EU parliament. BNP leader Nick Griffin has spoken at Jobbik and Garda rallies. Among the right wing parties in Europe, the Jobbik are more likely to win seats than parties in more developed nations. If you look at the BNP “Language and Concepts Discipline Manual” http://www.wikileaks.com/leak/bnp-language-discipline-2005.pdf you can see how the rhetoric of this nationalism has affected Jobbik discourse,i.e. rule #14: not anti semitic but only “anti-zionist” for example. Morvai is overwhelmingly ambitious – she turned right because she was booted from her job at the Hungarian UN delegation. She doesn’t care how she gets into a powerful office, she has no sense of common responsibility or ethics beyond a tribal and personal level. And for her it has definatley paid off. Her husband knows this. Obviously they both see it as a big cosmic joke, and it can only be played in a Hungarian arena. Heck… they are both in show business, essentially. Sad, really.

WTF, the fact remains ALL of the important powerful positions in the obama adminsitration have one thing in common. Is that right? Is that fair that I am discriminated against because of my religion? Is it fair that these people gave 12.8 trillion US$’s to the NY/Wall street banks of my tax dollars? But not one penny to the christian church? Everyone agrees this is theft and unethical discrimination. And it is similar to the Stalin KNVD archetype. Death camps to follow for us christian.

salk41, It really seems to me we live in two different worlds.
In the modern world (like in the U.S.), it doesn’t matter what your religion is in order to get a job. These people were chosen because they are qualified for the job! In the modern world, people aren’t discriminated because of their religion and aren’t judged for it.
The banks and people of the US are suffering because of mistakes made by the leaders of the country and it’s citizens (like buying houses they can’t afford..).
I’m not sure you’ve been to the States recently, but when it comes to money for churches – you need not worry – they have more than enough. And concerning death camps – don’t worry, it doesn’t happen in the modern world, just in countries that judge certain groups, and not individuals, like they should. If death camps will be built again, it would be only because of people like you!

salk41, I feel sorry for you.
I hope that one day, you’ll be able to leave that dark and scary cave you’re living in, and join us all under the sun, in the real world. Good day sir.

I would think that the “Mossad” would have other things to do, rather than dealing with a failing almost bankrupt country like Hungary.
Paranoia anyone?

Godot
Tell me, what undeserved benefits am I missing out on as a Jew? I get to pay the same taxes (just a lot more than most)as those few other honest tax paying Hungarians; I get the “benefit” of the same crappy educational and health care systems as other Hungarians; and I get to live in a country where everyone feels sorry for themselves and believes all the problems are due to outsiders and not of their own making (like everyone else). If there is a better deal for Jews out there,please let me know. I am sick and tired of the crappy deal that I have been getting. The better deal in this country is for the roughly 45% of the adult population that does not work, does not pay tax and is cared for by the State and the taxpayers. I would guess that Jews do not make up a higher proportion of this group than do gentiles.

NWO. Isnt the problem that people have been educated to be in a state of organized helplesness?
Hasnt this been a political strategy for the socialist and liberals; “we buy you – the people- off for the price of political apathy”.
Instead they should have invested in the people, the small businesses etc. Shown a little more trust in the Hungarian people. But their political strategy have always been governed by fear (of the people).

I would add to the “educated to be in a state of organized helplesness”-thingy that if we look at Liberals in a non-Hungarian form and more general European, the Liberals have *not* been preaching a Nanny-state, quite the opposite.
The Nanny-state is a European Socialist/Social-Democratic idea, sometimes borrowed by non-Socialist parties, like Fidesz here in Hungary. It is normally a sure vote-winner. Give the people bread and you will get their votes.
The Nanny-state come originally from corporatism, we are all in the same boat. Something that joins Communists and Fascists. That is why it can be sometimes hard to see the difference between Jobbik and the MunkasPart, they share much of the same basic ideology – State is everything, Individual nothing.

@Lacho Calad: My response to this would be that there isn’t really much of a difference between countries you might call “liberal” and ones you might call “social democratic.” In all of them the state is actively managing somewhere between around 35%-40% and 50%-55% of GDP, and getting deeply involved with the everyday lives of people though heaps and heaps of regulations. And this is why politics in places from Hungary to the US are largely driven by personality and “culture war” stuff; without such alleged issues the politicians wouldn’t have any material to pretend to fight over. To be brutally cynical, most elections are rather like gang wars… it makes a big difference for the gangs who wins, but for the people being (mis)ruled, not so much.

salk41, in the recent financial crisis, money was lost by banks – not churches. No Jewish/Islamic/Hindu/Buddhist organization got money from the American government – so why should the churches receive funds?
Sure, the banks made many mistakes, and the managers deserve to pay for their mistakes with their jobs. The money which was given to the banks, wasn’t given to them because their managers were Jewish – it was given because if they wouldn’t have gotten it – many more people would have suffered from this terrible crisis. Just imagine the collapse of 33′, but worse!
Ram Emmanual is not the president, and does not to do what ever he pleases… In the US, things are followed up, and the media will report if something would stink (unlike here in Hungary). Politicians are held accountable for their actions!
It is true, Ram’s father belonged to a paramilitary group before the foundation of Israel. A group the was broken up as Israel was formed. It’s true the Ram is Jewish, and speaks Hebrew, but this doesn’t mean he wouldn’t put HIS country (the USA) first!
You say that it’s a fact he got money from the banks – Prove it! I have read and heard nothing. Which leads me to my last point. Your rhetoric sadly reminds me of the rhetoric used by the Nazis in the 30′s. Luckily, people are smarter now – and you kind sir, aren’t. The are no big conspiracies, just small minded people.

WTF! Your direct personal attacks mimic those of the communists KNVD. And that is what I am afraid of. Tens of millions of christians were put into death camps by the KNVD (legacy of marx, engels, lenins,bera, molotov, ralozy,etc). There is no dispute that the wall street bankrupt investment banks gave billions to obama/axelrod/emmanuel/summers/geitner for their campaign- it is public information. In turn they produced 12.8 trillion US$’s for wall street vermin (blankfein, greenberg, rubin, Diamond of AIG, Goldman Sachs, CITIBANK, and CHASE JPMORGAN). But not one $ for the most meritorious christian organizations producing schools and hospital and welfare? This is wrong and abusive. But dont worry WTF! The new york received 12.8 trillion US $’s ! And they will receive trillions more in freebies! There is nothing now to stop this cabal. Nothing. Hence, people like you will want to put people like me into death camps as you did in the 1940-1970 period. Never an apology.

WTF! conincidence? I will name you the top financiers in the obama camp: axelrod, emmanuel, summers, geitner, bernhake, orszag, bair, feldman, rattner, shapiro, hamburg. They have one thing in common. This a coincidence? This defies logic. I shouldnt be worried? Or concerned? this is the new KNVD (I suggest you read about your peoples hatred for christians). I challenge you to identify the top 10 people in the obama cabal. Find me one christian. Anyone with a sense of fair-play would agree this is overwhelming abuse of power. Or you believe that it is a coincidence that 12.8 trillion$’s has been spent on the wall street cabal (greenberg, blankfein, rubin, diamond)?

Dear Salk41, I have nothing else to add to what I’ve already said, because you keep repeating yourself, telling us of your wild dreams of Jewish world domination plans. I’ll let other people respond to your statements, if they wish.
I hope that you have the chance to be treated for the paranoia you suffer from. In the mean time, be well.

salk41,
“The debt bomb has exploded so this may mark the death of socialism/massive govt intervention”.
OK, who buys the peszgö so we can celebrate?
A free life is awaiting us and the whole world.

WTF, never did I mention “world domination”. Those are your words and notions and conclusions. I just made statements of fact. You may be uneasy with them. Dont fret! The new york banks have received 12.8 trillion US$’s and will receive trilliions more(be aware these investments banks have used much of this money to make huge bets against the euro, forint, etc in order to destabilize the region and profit enormously.) Courtesy of the US taxpayor and obamas henchmen.

Olipro, the US banksters punished? Kidding, right? They have received 12.8 trillion US$’s and mainly from the obama camp. Geitner? He is a member of the tribe as is his wife- not illegal. Geitner is a protege of Robert Rubin for whom he has given tens of billions via Goldman sachs and CITIBANK. This obama adminsitration discriminates violently against the christian people especially the caucasians. And there is nothing you can do about it as the entire media is controlled by the tribe. I am however mainly concerned that the tribe will put the christians in death camps as they did in the USSR.

Shit piles up on these pages faster than any gypsy
can high-tail it to the Hungarian welfare state
to receive all the benefits, and housing, and subsidies, currently available courtesy of the commie-loving MSZP.
Africa, WW1 and WW11, and liberals and gays and Mossad and jews and Colonel “fucking” Gaddafi are discussed and cited ad-infinitum by toerags and cockroaches and dissolute lecturers,pimple-faced and mis-guided students on this forum to the extent that the unbiased onlooker would consider these peasants to be nothing more than riff-raff
from the bowels of hell. Fuck off once and for all and start discussing relevant matters related to Hungary and its people. Let’s hear no more from charlatans living in the USA, Rumania, Slovakia, et al taking up valuable space with tripe and onion rhetoric. I repeat: FUCK OFF!!!

When the Jews and the Gypsies are so clever, why should they try to get in charge of the poorest and most boring country in eastern Europe? Common, even if they manage the get all the Hungarians kicked out, it will still suck here. Hilarious.

salk41,
Finally you wrote a post that makes some sense and can be applied to Hungary. Just forget all the US-crap.
I have no problem to agree with a small state, that is a typical West-European Liberal claim anyway.
I have no problem with a free market capitalism. You will though on these pages find a lot of supporters of the anti-capitalist Jobbik. Also the biggest opposition party, Fidesz, like to dress up like anti-capitalists and claim that is “Hungarian Nationalism”.
I quite do not understand your statement “respect for the christian people”. Why should Christian have more respect automatically than people like me – an Ateist?
No, there should be a total division between the State and Religion, no State Religions like in Israel and Iran thank you.
*But* people of religion should be respected and be allowed to practice their faith, as much as possible, it is part of ‘Free Speech’.

And …. getting back to the original story.
Krisztina Morvai is clearly bark at the moon, play in my own shit, mad.
A self styled lunatic that, probably because she is a lawyer, has had the sense of power go to her head. In reality, another useless dibbling idiot that thinks everyone is inferior and stupid when really, the only questionable IQ level is her own.
What a nasty piece of work this woman must be.
Oh and by the way, WTF?, spot on with your great comments, Viking, Truth and Lajos also.

Not really Godot.
Time for your medication?

It is interesting that when I point to that a ‘unique poster’ is against Jobbik policies, he/she just disappears and is replaced by a lot of pro-Jobbik posters.
FSB pay you all?

Im a patriotoc volunteer, there is no price that can buy my soul, Jobbik and Garda are all supported by people power not the tribe!

Emese,
I am a European volunteer, there is no price that can buy my soul.
If you have a problem with other people not running around in Italian designed clothes (remember I have seen the inside of the first batch of the Magyar Garda clothes), you should clearly say so, without that coward hiding behind the current hip-word in your European congregation.

Emese,
“your time has expired”
Which time?
Cannot you spell out more exactly what you want?
And how has “Justice for Hungarians” been changed today?
What do you really expect from the future?

Bank – Church – Bank – Church
salk51 can you really not see the difference. Banks were bailed out for a reason, whether you think it was the best use of money is another matter but what would be the economic significance of giving the money to a church? Do churches lend to businesses, do they deal with insurance and pensions. Perhaps they would prey much much harder with more money so that we would all be saved.
Your argument is utter rubbish. Just because a bank employs someone of Jewish faith doesn’t make it a Synagogue.

So, suddenly there are dozens of new English language commenters all extolling Jobbik… how many of you are the same person? Following the BNP playbook for internet forum swarming, I suppose. You lot are even less than a bunch of opinionated tourists. You don’t even live here. As for controlling Hungarian banks… as far as I know, Jews are famous for having a sharp business sense. Hungarian banks? Not smart business.

fabian,
“change is coming so get used to it”
Hmm, your nothing-saying 1-liner have obviously not changed.
You are still here, so not that either.
The weather was better than Sunday – Ahh, you made the weather better?
Just remember – the clock is ticking.
You know the first 50 days, the first 100 days.
People expect actions and results.
It will be harder to blame the Jews all the time now when you are part of the system.

salk51, in part I agree that perhaps the money could be better spent stimulating the economy in other ways e.g. building etc. But there are other ways to build hospitals than giving to a religious group.
However, these huge financial institutions were on the brink of collapse (and it makes no difference who owns or runs them). To let them fail would be unchartered territory that may have dwarfed what happened in the 30′s when they did let them fail.
I don’t like what they did, but it was an option they took. I am not sure that anyone would want some small bank in China running the US economy, least of all because they don’t have the infrastructure to achieve this.
What is key now is how the world governments will stop this happening again. I doubt they will. There are some people that feel that banks should be a utility, a safe place to store your money and not a glorified gambling institution. The gambling part should be an entirely separate entity which can be left to fail without bringing down the world economy. It’s not a bad idea but I doubt it will happen.
Sure banks have huge influence on governments but this is nothing to do with religion and it serves no purpose to confuse the two.

hungarians concerned at the rise of racism and of
fascist parties are looking to launch a cultural
movement against racism and fascism along the lines
of the UK’s “Love Music Hate Racism” campaign. A
meeting to discuss is taking place this Thursday in
Budapest with guest speakers from LMHR UK, and all
interested organisations and individuals are
welcome. more info: lovemusichateracism@gmail.com

I thought Morvai looked pretty raunchy the other day when she was on the M1 breakfast program, but now I have found out that György Baló has been there my interest has waned considerably!

JD! The insiders have made this claim that they needed to save Goldman sachs, aig, citi (all new york institutions of crime) in order to ‘save the world”. This is just a hustle. The New york banks lost (just like GM, Ford, Chrysler) yet they want the middle american taxpayor to rescue them. That is wrong and immoral. There are plenty of solid small banks in america and globally that acted responsibly. If the government wants to spend (steal) trilliions, what better institution is there than the christian chusrch? in the history of Man, no other has served Man so well. And I am an atheist. Instead, they give trillions to the new york street sheisters. This is really irrelevant to hungary, since hungary has normal budgetary restrictions. But who is responsible for hungary’s massive budget deficit? when the typical hungarian peasant has no debt and manages his affairs responsibly yet the government cannot? This country needs a hungary peasant as President. Could he do any worse?

It’s not that “the banks were bailed out”. It is that 12.8 trillion US$ were GIVEN to the politically connected investment banks in new york (aig- hank greenberg, jpmorgan- diamon, citibank- rubin,

Sal, Geithner is not a Jew, he is of German Christian origin…looks
like there was even room for one of those in the Obama “cabal”

Sorry but Geithner is Jewish !

JD@it was not referred to you,I was simply correcting another persons mistake.

@salk41: “All of whom share a certain religion” It’s not religion… To call these bastards Jews is like calling the Bolsheviks Orthodox Christians. “These are the people that lost trillions yet they are receiving trillions from the US taxpayor” A huge chunk of which was immediately divvied up as personal bonuses! $165 million is just what we know about in the case of AIG alone. Can you believe the CHUTZPAH of these folks? And we haven’t even discussed Madoff yet. “Illegal?” How about Obama not being a US citizen for illegal? Death camps? Gitmo, black sites, Abu Ghraib may already qualify and they are concentration camps for sure. “[Their] hatred for christians…” and Muslims, *religion* in general as long as it’s not their relatives’ brand of Judaism.

@Dozsa: “not anti semitic but only anti-zionist” How could someone who stands up for the Palestinians be ‘anti-Semitic?’ “she turned right because she was booted from her job at the Hungarian UN delegation” Why don’t you tell us in a little more detail how and why she lost her job and who and how replaced her? “they are both in show business” If they really were in business they’d be in *Shoa business* where the big bucks are, yes? Did you by the way know that Dózsa is a
Hungarist icon? But of course you didn’t. You don’t know Hungarian! Can’t even spell your own nick. Don’t know much about Hungary beyond your extremely limited brainwash but you preach at us anyway telling us how we should think and live. Your nerve is unbelievable.
@fool’s truth: “Mossad would have other things to do, rather than dealing with a failing almost bankrupt country like Hungary” Easy prey. Why else would they have ‘bought us up?’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL4Cu-K17vE
@C’est Moi: “Take one name and stick with it so we can follow you like any other tagged animal” Taking notes, eh? And then what? How do you plan to exterminate us ‘cockroaches?’

@Komarno: “the bullshit she churns out on a regular basis” Such as?
@NWO: “Tell me, what undeserved benefits am I missing out on as a Jew?” As a ‘Jew’ you don’t miss out on any undeserved benefits I am sure.

Pávaszem – The world is not out to get Hungary; there are plenty of successful and wealthy non Jewish Hungarians; Isreal/Mossad could not give a fuck about Hungary. Why would they? Really, why would they give a shit? What has Hungary got that Mossad wants? Covert nuclear technology? Is Hungary a shelter for Hizbollah and Hamas? Come on man – get your shit together! Hungary’s problems are the result of years of Soviet communist oppression followed corrupt governments who tax the worker to oblivion to pay for badly planned projects. Instead of blaming Jews in Isreal look a bit closer to home at poor goverment policy which subsidises corruption and laziness of politicians. Was the biggest criminal in Hungary a Jew? I refer to Gyurscany of course. I am no soft hearted liberal, I do not support the maintanance of people through an unbalanced benefits system. But rather than looking everywhere else to find blame I would directly ask you what you would do to instigate positive change. On a final note, why the hell shouldn’t a Jewish person want to be successful? Why shouldn’t they be rich? Equal opportunities for all please. If you want us all to be on an equal level you need to move from extreme right to extreme left and go back to the glorious days of communism and outlawed religion.

Realist,
Are we going to start this boring 1-liner BS war, or will you come with a rebuttal.
Why do you keep changing aliases all the time?
You feel ashamed of your writing?

Go Pávaszem! You throw the deftest of punches. The iconoclastic little dung-beetle ‘Dozsa’ is particularly well deserving of the one you landed on his nose.

ricsi,
“Sorry but most Jews are decent honest folk,but they are been led down the gutter by the rabid ultra-nationalist clique in Tel Aviv,thus were to run to when the going gets really tough soon?.”
Aahh some Jew-bashing is awaiting.
Where can I sign up for my baseball bat, or do we use something more slower?

Ricsi,
Thanks for the explanation. And I am glad that you acknowledge that most Jews are decent hard working people. I in turn will acknowledge that the Isreali ruling elite has demonstrated it’s fair share of strange behaviour( very few nations have a clear conscience), and it should be hald fully accountable for it’s crimes by the UN security council. However, I do not see the link with Hungary. I know plenty of Jewish people – all fair minded, normal, want to get on in life. I have yet to meet a zionist.
My main point though is that any form of extremism is dangerous on any level be that Christian / Nationalist / Zionist / Islamic – whatever. I am quite certain that any of the more extreme posters on this site had been born into a different religion or culture they would be putting forth equally poisonous arguments in favour of the other camp. There is no benefit to taking an extreme view, and if there is a Zionist movement, the agrument is won in intelligent debate supported by great ideas. Not hate filled rhetoric from an equally extreme opposite. As I have said in other posts, I know what is like to live in a country where guns and paramilitary control was prevelant. I can assure you all that you do not want to encourage extremism, as it is a bleak prospect and will destroy liberty, freedom of speech, and confine you to years of misery. I talk form real life experience.

Ricsi,
Glad to hear that you are supporting your country without resorting to extremist views. That is the kind of debate that needs to take place. Divergent opinions in intelligent discussion.
May I ask though how you can support Jobbik in veiw of their association with Garda Magyar? Can the two be treated seperately? Or do you hold the veiw that the Jobbik policy (much of which seems sensible in theory) is strong enough to be supported on its own merits. For me, I just cant get away from the Jobbik / GM connection – and that is why I find them such a concern.
Are you in any way concerned that they are showing extreme tendancies, or is this a price worth paying for their brand of nationalism?

Godot, it is de rigeur that the Garda is ‘extreme’, don’t-you-know? That is the constant Anglo-media cant, despite the fact that nobody has managed to attribute a single even slightly questionable act to it. You know, I think our vapidly PC John Boy TKD actually thinks it is an IRA look-alike. Clearly, he knows nothing at all about anything in Hungary.

Magyar Garda haven’t harmed anyone!! Not a living soul!! They carry no weapons, they abide by morals and ethics. They are a national volunteer guard.

you too stubborn to be convinced, piss off!

JohnBoyTKD@Sorry for late reply,was busy here on the farm! MagyarGárda (MG not GM)are not usually observed within cities,no need for the Police are still efficient,but in the countryside they provide a valuable service in giving confidence of security to vulnerable old people,remote hamlets etc.. where the Police simply can not respond quickly to an incident.They also give pride and respect to a new generation who wish to join up,after taking an aptitude test and interview.
NO Magyar Gárda as ever been convicted or arrested over any violent anti-Roma incident,indeed the discipline within ensures that any would be ‘provacateur’ is immediately thrown out.
Did you witness the incredibly efficient MG cordon to on March 15th to guide Jobbik supporters away from trouble causers and onto our buses? I did,I was there.
Do not fear MG ,fot you have nothing to fear,it is simply a form of expression of solidarity with
tradition and for vulnerable folk.The members are proud to parade and wear a ‘uniform’ and happy to feel they at least are doing something for a better Hungary,as am I.

John Boy TKD, Ricsi has already answered the question you put to me. I endorse it in entirety. To add just one thing: If there were not an impeccable organisation like the Garda, and if it did not have a look about it that inhibits thugs, then Jobbik rallies and other Hungarian public activities would have been at the mercy of anti-democratic thugs, just like the democratically elected BNP MEPs are in the UK right now. The Garda is not an illegal organisation. I wonder what made you think it is?

All,
It has been interesting and informative, but I must go to the pub.
Sophie, although we are coming from different angles I have enjoyed your (largely) well formed arguments and you are clearly no fool.
Realist – I will not piss off. Leave these arguments to Sophie and Risci. The are brave and clever enough to stand up and be counted, and can actually fight their corner with brains. It is the fact that we can all come from such different angles and hammer it out that allows this world to keep turning. And all views will finally find a meeting point. That is how successful society works. If you are in fact a realist go and get some real content in your argument and come to the debate.
All it has been fun!

Salk51@The ordinary tax payer,as usual!

Su, I share your curiosity. I have no real insight, just a suspicion: I surmise that the Wilders/Griffin position is not Israel-tied. Rather, it is cynically strategic: Muslims in their countries are in the most visible immigrant group, and the most unpopular one. So taking a stand against Muslim immigrants attracts votes. It should also appeal to Jews (here’s the Israel tie), which in turn would ensure media access. (The latter did not happen, at least in the UK!) I’d like to know what you think.

Ricsi,
You are making a big mistake.
See you soon.

Gulliver@Thanks for usual concern about my well being !

Janos! The themes are universal and so an international perspective
needs to be integrated. The West has been in decline for decades;
the West has seen little real growth to their economies since 1980.
Why? The government is stealing the fruits of ones labor (taxation)
and wasting these precious resources. So these leaves politics and
outright criminal activity to thrive. Limit government expenditure
to 5% of the economy. Remove all income tax and business tax.
Free markets for Free Men. Instead government controls nearly
every aspect of this economy. Now property taxes; this is just the
beginning. The average hungarian does not realize that property
taxation will soon be 2%. This means that a large % of hungarians
will not be able to afford the tax on their homes! And thus they will
be evicted. Make no mistake, this is a measure to remove
hungarians from their homes.

Salk 51, I am totally in favour of lowering taxation . But lets just address some facts – Hungarians have a current tax wedge of 54%. This will reduce to 46% with reductions in income tax and the solidarity tax. This will be replaced by a wealth tax, and an increase in VAT. The property tax will apply to properties higher in value than 30 million HUF. Most Hungarians wont have to pay it. Most Israeli’s will have to pay it. I agree, lowering tax is always better, but your supporting facts are a little misguided.

Stupid ignaramouse Viking just stirring lies like usual exagerating all the facts like a typical low life scum.. You going behind bars also once real Justice is put in place.

Viking@You have fallen into the trap of a typical provacateur,making an inflammatory statement against you to make you bitter–that ‘Avar’ comment is in no way from a Jobbik member,of that I am sure.Our pathetic enemies will resort to the lowest of tricks to try to discredit us.You and I may not agree always,but you have no reason to fear us,somebody else is playing on your fears.We know who they are mostly.

John Boy TKD, “world is not out to get Hungary” The world is out to get whatever it can. ExxonMobil already has our energy, Israelis control our real estate, dump toxic waste on us, feed us spoilt food and turn us into the ‘Bangkok of Europe.’ Their/THE/allies vilify us in propaganda campaigns more vicious (and a whole lot less true) than Goebbels ever devised against them. “Isreal/Mossad could not give a fuck about Hungary. Why would they? Really, why would they give a shit?” For the same reasons they ‘give a shit’ about Georgia or Palestine. “What has Hungary got that Mossad wants?” Real estate in a strategically important location, huge natural gas deposits, we’re the Kuwait of Europe. “Was the biggest criminal in Hungary a Jew?” Yes. Kun, Szamuelly, Péter Gábor and Rákosi were all ‘Jews.’ “why the hell shouldn’t a Jewish person want to be successful? Why shouldn’t they be rich? Equal opportunities for all please” Like the Palestinians have equal opportunities? What equivalents of ‘holocaust denial’ do you know of? What other nations get billions of US and European taxpayer money? What other people are we compelled to like by law? Who else is above the law in every commercial and legal respect? “go back to the glorious days of communism and outlawed religion” The Anglosphere and Marxism are not the only two choices. They, it, you,just won the last war.

It is quite puzzling that the jobbik candidate,
a known jew-basher ,actually came to it because
of some “domestic-shortcomings”. Now history knows a number of cases like this.
I believe she actually is trying so hard to establish her as strongly anti-jewish that it is already worrying,yes actually suspisous.
Only “turn-coats” act like this. The Zionists
planted her among us. She has to go. She is not reliable.

Here is what Pat mentioned the lowest form of character assassination by the Jews..

Knowing,
Of course and how grateful I am that no one ever on this web site has ever tried to speak bad about me.
If you really want to see a real Jewish “lowest form of character assassination” then I suggest you hop over to (http://h2oreuse.blogspot.com/2008/07/nacivadasz-hunter-of-nazis-blog.html).
This is what he has to say:
“Many of them are full or half Jews (as Shody pictured above), half Gypsies or half Schwab (Hungarian Folk Germans), and without exception, all seem to be failures and dropouts”

Where is this anti-Morvai flood comes from?
Many similar posts in a short period of time, under various aliases. Who are you and what is it you really want? C’mon, speak up!

Pavaszem! I just read about Tibor Szamuelly thanks to your post. Now I know where the gestapo learned their techniques. This is a sick people that knows no limits to power and hate. I anticipated obama would deliver total control to them financially. I fear that the christian will be placed into their death camp once again. If the world knew about kun, szamuelly, rakozsi, satlin, bera, malotov we could be in a safer place.

I love the Nazis that come on and bitch: They would like you to forget that Jews and Roma were in Hungary BEFORE the Christians.
Whoops. Incovenient facts.
The biggest criminals in Hungarian History were Jews? Sort of strange when you consider the Arrow Cross…
Its amazing. These dumb Nazi fucks always think they’re better than everyone and always lose. If Jews really ran things and these morons were so superior, wouldn’t that make them leading things?
As far as what countries get billions in aid annually from the US, Egypt gets as much money now as Israel, although less per capita. That the dumb right-wingers are busy blaming Gypsies and Jews in Hungary is particularly common to history: They blamed Jews for the Soviet Occupation: No, the Nazis were responsible for Soviet Occupation primarily, at least, its legitimacy in the eyes of many.
Nazism lost and will continue to lose when it rears its ugly head; its an ideology of people with an inferiority complex; real nationalism ignores ethnicity as the sole prereque for culture; all Great Nations in history have never been ethnically homogeneous and never will. A real culture worth saving perpetuates itself by being appealing. All chavanistic cultures end up committing national suicide and are displaced by tolerant ones that keep the human race advancing. Ethno-centricisty is degeneracy as it rewards inbreeding only.
You nazis are subhuman, degenerate wastes of life.

their are no Nazi’s in Hungary and never have been!
Ricsi at August 28, 2009 7:07 AM
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OK but what would you then call the ‘Hungarian Nationalists’ that greeted the Nazi-German occupation of Hungary with joy in the end of the WWII and voluntarily joined Waffen-SS?
‘Hungarian Freedom Fighters and Patriots’?
You have already removed the possibility to call them ‘Nazis’, so what is left?

Risci,
“The original semites are Arabs and the original jews,I have nothing against Arabs (by far the majority) so how can I be anti-semite??”
Can you find a dictionary of English which defines “Anti-Semitism” in terms of Semites or Arabs rather than Jews? I couldn’t. The English language isn’t logically constructed, and to pretend that it is, is itself a “word game”.

Ahhhh Richy, good to have to back, you festering cum puddle. Your 6 months of dog-fucking, rather than posting, have sadly done little to raise the level of your intellect. Who am I kidding, everyone know you were just posting under another id.

Sophist–dont tell me about the ‘evolution of usage’-that is exactly my point-it evolved to mean anti-jew,but it actually originates from semite,same as ‘Nazi’ evolved from the NSDAP to now be used derogatorily against any non-zionist or right winger. You just confirmed my point,thanks.

Those Hungarians you refer to where ArrowCross members of Szilási’s fascist movement(modelled on Mussolini’s party)the SS units where either of ethnic Germans (could be associate party members) or Hungarian volunteers (not Nazi party members)
Ricsi at August 28, 2009 11:12 AM
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OK, we play your game then:
1) It is wrong to call anyone a ‘Nazi’
2) It is OK to call anyone a ‘Fascist’
Did I get it right?
We all know that one of the 4 arrested in Debrecen for the Roma-killings is one of the following persons below:
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One of the most notable instances in which continuing Smallholders’ support for skinhead youths was exposed occurred on January 6, 1995, when two young men broke into a synagogue in Debrecen on January 6 and set the tabernacle on fire, burning the torah inside. These two young men were the nineteen-year-old president of “The Alliance of Comrades-in-Arms of the Eastern Front” (Keleti Arcvonal Bajtársi Szövetség – henceforth KABS) and another sixteen-year-old member of that organization. In police custody, the teenagers admitted that the attack had been motivated by anti-Semitism. The name of this organization is identical to that of an ultra-nationalistic, fascist organization that operated in Hungary during the second world war, and the group incorporated traditional ultra-nationalist symbols into the coat of arms they adopted as their registered emblem.
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So Fascists or Hungarian Nationalists?
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Is not Magyar Garda modelled on Mussolini’s BlackShirts?

They must love him around the temple. “Hey Sholmo, what’s with that fakakta shikse you’re with, oy vey.”

Ricsi,
No, I did not drop the debate on ”Nazis’ and anti-semites’, then the latter part I was never involved in and the first part I did continue with.
I just find your definitions of a ‘Nazi’ a bit amusing and intellectual challenging.
- You make a big fuss about the label ‘Nazi’, but has no problem with the label ‘Fascist’.
OK, that is your problem.
—
One thing that differed the German ‘Nazis’ and the Italian ‘Fascists’ was their view on Jews and the ‘Final Solution’ connected to them.
The Italian ‘Fascists’ basically never shared the typical German ‘Nazi’ view, so what can then be more correct to call ‘Hungarian Fascist’ who definitely and very eager shared the German ‘Nazis’ hate towards Jews, for ‘Nazis’?
In mind and effort the ‘Hungarian Fascists’ were closer to the Germans than the Italians, so ‘Nazi’ ideology was what bound the Hungarians to the Germans. The Hungarians did a good work to round up as many Jews as possible, just so the Germans did not need to bother

That website seems quite obvious it was arranged by the establishment , anyone on there forum who questions the site is also targeted by the establishment, its a crook of shit..

Bernard Lewis
A genocide denier is a genocide denier no matter what their nationality,religion, or ethnicity. I don’t see any difference between Bernard’s Lewis and his denial of the Armenian Genocide as a genocide .It is clear that the financial support that he has received from Turkey has perverted his scholarship.Any reputable genocide historian accepts that both the Armenian Genocide and the Holocaust were systematically planned campaigns of mass murder focused on eliminating a particular minority .There are many fair Jewish historians that strongly accept the Armenian Genocide as a genocide including Elie Wiesel.Bernard Lewis is wrong on many topics.

This Jerk has a huge question mark over his writings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bernard_Lewis#Bernard_Lewis_as_a_.22Jewish_David_Irving.22

Ricsi,
I notice that you did not answer the question of Hungarian Jew-hating Fascists should be called ‘Nazis’ or ‘Nationalists’.
I assume you think the latter, it is just read what ‘Nationalists’ is writing.
This fixation on Jews is something that will always blind you guys from doing any real progress, so keep up the ‘good work’.

Viking–Duhh? ‘Hungarian jew hating fascists’ should be called fascists! But yet again you want to play the ‘nazi’ game.
We are not the ones ‘blind’,our eyes are wide open.

Ricsi,
“I did not say that anti-semite is anti-Arab,”
Maybe you didn’t “say” it, but you did imply it:
“I have nothing against Arabs (by far the majority) so how can I be anti-semite??”
Incidently, according to some anti-Semitism does imply hatred of Arabs, but antisemitism doesn’t.
http://sicsa.huji.ac.il/hyphen.htm
And I thought it was all abot haircare.

Ricsi, “‘Nazi’… now be used derogatorily against any non-zionist or right winger…” or Soup Nazi… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJyGJQx2Fgk
@S. Ph.: Word Games aside the Ashkenazim are neither Semites nor descendants of the biblical Hebrews, are they? Zionists are national socialist though, wouldn’t you agree? “the word was coined to mean anti-Jew” Brought to you by the same folks that coined ‘holocaust,’ ‘racism,’ etc. nec plus ultras of demagogy.
@the Lapp Reindeer Fan: “Nazi-German occupation of Hungary” There was no German occupation. Rump Hungary was dislodged from the UK’s grip for which we should be grateful. Such a pity it didn’t last for more than a few months… “with joy… voluntarily joined Waffen-SS?” And so did the Swedes: 5th SS-Panzer Division Wiking, 11th SS-Panzergrenadier Division Nordland: congrats, Lapp since the SS was much like the French foreign legion except every nation had its own division (SS „Charlemagne“ (French), http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/Dutch-SS.jpg, etc.) “Semites…” The only Semites in Europe are the Maltese and the Gábor Gypsies in Erdély (pretty decent folk) “Is not Magyar Garda modelled on Mussolini’s BlackShirts?” No, it actually knocks off the US Guardian Angels ( Angyalgárda which is all kosher as far as I know…

Psz,
“the Ashkenazim are neither Semites nor descendants of the biblical Hebrews, are they?”
Interesting point, Ernest Renan, who was an early proponent of Semitic inferiority, thought “that the Jews of our age are not Semites, but modern men”. So anti-Semitic, but not in a way that entaials him being antisemitic. He was also antisemitic, but because of the “moral ideal” of jews rather than their race.
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=1603&letter=A#4621
“Zionists are national socialist though, wouldn’t you agree?”
Not sure exactly what you mean by “national socialist” or how far you want to extend “Zionists”, even limiting it the “international political movement that originally supported the reestablishment of a homeland for the Jewish People”, it involved a liberal wing “advocating free market principles, democracy and adherence to human rights” (wiki) which certianly aren’t part of any national socialist program I’m aware of.
What’s your difference between Fascism and National Socialism?

I do not know what was the purpose of refreshing this line but I had to chuckle at this desperate attempt to take a swipe at Jobbik and Dr. Morvai just a few days before the EP election. It did not work. Jobbik got nearly 15%.
It is no surprise to any Jobbik supporter that Dr. Morvai’s husband, György Baló is a Jew. What of it? Are these racist Jews saying that all Jews are the same and bad? If it is no problem for Jobbik, why is it a problem for the lowest and dirtiest of Jews at Political Pest? Why bring this smut to politics.hu?

If it is no problem for Jobbik, why is it a problem for the lowest and dirtiest of Jews at Political Pest?
Mark at January 4, 2010 8:38 AM
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You conveniently ‘forget’ that the hardest critic against Morvai’s choice of husband comes from yourt friends on kuruc.info.
This ‘jewish-connection’ was seen as a problem and a possible proof that Jobbik is just a Mossad front.
Well, the loonies are in your corner, you can find them posting on this issue on StormFront also.
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For more normal people it is of course given Morvai’s strong anti-Jewish comments (no anti-Zionism there) and here children are mixed ‘Jewish (if you believe Jews belong to a specific race and not a religion)’, this of course was a ‘raising of the eyebrows’.
As a parent one can just ask what Mother Morvai’s open anti-Jewishness does to her children and the children’s connection to their Father.
I always had a hard time to take away the feeling that all Morvai’s anti-Jew speak is part of a marrigae row and future custody battle.
She is a complicated woman obviously.

Regarding Dr. Morvai’s retort to the Jews who were harassing her on the Deák Ferenc Civic Forum website, some clowns like to make a big thing of her retort without considering the filth those “fine and sensitive Jewish gentlemen” shoved in her direction before she gave them the response they hoped. I could not find the list. It is probably a closed list and we are only getting the stuff that her detractors want us to see.

@ Mark
Please don’t make excuses for this woman. She is totally unprofessional and should be an embarrassment to any “normal” political party . Not to mention her children.
I don’t want to be reminded that Canada or the USA is not Hungary – but I certainly hope this kind of language is not representative of Hungarian lawyers and/or politicians. BTW, I am not familiar with European politicians and their speeches but please let me know if you know of an OTHER European politician who ever used this type of language.
Moreover, people are responsible for their statements. “They made me do it” is not acceptable
This woman is a lawyer?? Picture her in court when she does not like what the opposition says. If anyone should know and have formal training in how not to lose her cool, it should be her.
You directed me to a website once. There was her picture in the middle (pearls and all, looking every ounce a professional) with Vona unshaven on one side and another man in an ill fitting suit.- on her other side.
That picture led me to believe JOBBIK has Image Consultants. (I am purposely not going to elaborate on their “target group”. I have been around Image Consultants advising a politician how to appeal to his target. It was quite an eye opener)
What would she have to do in order for you to be disgusted with her behaviour? (Not asking you to be disgusted with JOBBIK philosophy. I don’t believe in miracles)

@ justasking
you will be pleased to know that I have a really foul mouth. I make a decision of when, where and under what circumstances I use foul language. Mostly with people I am comfortable with – relieves tension, saves a lot of extra words. I use “f..ing moron” a lot in my head when I read some postings but I choose not to type those words and call people names.
For me, foul language is not acceptable at work and I don’t use it when I am “anonymous” like I am on this thread.
Than you for sharing info about who you would and would not sleep with. Fascinating stuff
Only slightly less fascinating than Ms. Morvai’s clinical observations on the size of the male anatomy.
A class act to be sure. A calculated move to impress the JOBBIK audience. The woman is not stupid – Her followers don’t give a shit about International opinions and for her, votes supersede her kids’ feelings.

@Olga
I read justasking’s response to you and your response to justasking. It is obvious that you have made up your mind to look for the worse in Jobbik and Magyar Garda and if you do not find it, you invent it in your mind. I believe that nothing I could say would make a difference to you. Some of the derogatory statements about Dr. Morvai, Jobbik and Magyar Garda astound me, not that I do not read these often enough from Hungarian haters but never from people of your background. Think for one minute of the sacrifices Law and Ricsi had to make to claim their Hungarian heritage.
I told you before that these people cannot get to me but I expected better from you after what you told us about your background and your patriotic parents. It saddens me every time you malign the fine Hungarians who want nothing more or less than a country of their own and a better life for themselves, their children and their people.
I wish I could find that list and see the insults these “fine sensitive Jewish gentlemen” subjected Dr. Morvai before she gave them the response they hoped. No one could provide the link and I have to question everything in the lead article. Just read the slanderous and libelous title of the article. They would face a civil suit and would probably lose a jury trial if they made these or similar accusations in America.
You must know close to nothing about Jobbik and Magyar Garda to smear them as you do. I would not waste my time to tell you about Dr. Morvai’s outstanding qualifications or all the great work Magyar Garda does because it would be wasted on you. I would ask you to think about this; not all Hungarians are Jobbik and Magyar Garda supporters but most of the Hungarians respect Jobbik and the Magyar Garda for the sacrifices they make for Hungary. When the Communist MSZP/SZDSZ government sends out the police to abuse the Magyar Garda, all decent Hungarians are offended. Hungarians are tired of our people being abused by the Communist murderers and torturers. The anger over the abuse of our people cuts across party lines. When the Communists abuse Jobbik and the Magyar Garda Fidesz and Jobbik, supporters are equally outraged because they are all Hungarians.

@ Mark
I am truly sorry if I gave the impression that my parents were patriotic Hungarians. They were eternally grateful to the heroes who gave up their lives in ’56 to fight Communism; it allowed other non-Patriots to get the hell out of the country. Patriots stayed – they were the non-Patriots who bailed out. Let’s not kid ourselves. In fact the only good thing I heard about Hungarians had to do with the freedom fighters of ’56.
My Dad died in 2005 and was convinced that Hungary was still run by Communists and crooks but he did not lump today’s “Communists” with the Stalinist monsters like you do.
My parents’ friends were Hungarians including Jewish Hungarians but we moved to a WASP area of Toronto thus I did not have friends with Hungarian backgrounds. Their Hungarian friends were shocked that when I turned 20 and “egy Angol fiuhoz ment ferjhez” – he is not English but Canadians were called “Angol” in those days.
The MG is illegal – maybe Ms Morvai should use her legal expertise to change that. As I said, (hate to repeat) I would not support any politician who spoke the way she did. I’ll ask you again – do you know any other politicians who talk like her? Is this someone you want to represent Hungary?
Have you considered the impact of her statements on her kids? Would you like your Mom to say things like that about your Dad given the same circumstances? No respect for someone who hurts her kid

@ Viking;
Okay, I read the provided article…so whats your point? She says nothing about hating Jews and to be quite honest, I enjoyed the way she refused to let the reporter try to turn the interview against her. As for her comment about living in the same house, yet having seperate households. Hats off to her for putting her childrens needs above her own, by trying to create a stable and loving environment.
You have absolutely nothing on this woman and I bet pretty hard pressed to find stuff.
@ Olga;
Your parents might not have been patriotic Hungarians (and it shows I might add) but mine sure the hell were.

@ Bystander;
Does this mean we can’t be friends?

@ justasking
Re: “Hats off to her for putting her childrens needs above her own, by trying to create a stable and loving environment. ”
Are you on smack? Have you not been reading about Ms Morvai’s statements and the impact it must have had on her kids? Which part of her rants did you not understand that would have been traumatic for them?
About “Patriotic” and being a “Real Hungarian” – I will leave those definitions up to you, Mark, Law, etc. For me it’s a personal feeling, and very subjective.
I am proud of the fact that I am Hungarian by birth – (I like to think that Farkas Laszlo is the typical Magyar and people like him make me proud to have been born there. Recently I became very interested in what’s going on politically and economically in Hungary so I read this website.
I was assured by Vandorlo that the ultra right-wing sentiments expressed on this website are definitely not representative of the average Hungarian. That’s why my interest continues.

Hats off to her for putting her childrens needs above her own, by trying to create a stable and loving environment
justasking at January 4, 2010 9:31 PM
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I think we have a difference in opinions what constitute “a stable and loving environment”.
I would surely not put the things she claims belongs to ‘that kind of people’ to which her husband allegedly belongs to.
I also think if you go back some years Morvai did not have this public anti-Jewish rhetoric.
In the meantime they have ‘separated’.
It just comes out very hateful and with a private twist of future custody battle.
On the International arena she has already made herself impossible by creating a situation where she was kicked out from a UN-committee.
You do not get kicked out for just having another opinion, more that you cannot cooperate with others.

Excuse me Justasking, ‘go play with their dicks’… gosh, you’re a stickler for detail, which is unusual for someone whose thoughts are so poorly defined as yours seem to be to me.
I don’t ask you to shed any tears, however what appears to be your life-philosophy “don’t take any crap, be strong and stand UP to people you don’t like” sounds a lot like “survivor/victim/Post-traumatic-stress syndrome”…
I had hoped that the Hungarian spirit was more sophisticated than that, but following what Lazlo/Erik and others have stated, perhaps that IS the “hungarian spirit”! Well, at least we have group-therapy-sessions like this website to work things out!
Good luck with that JustAsking! May you be tough in the face of male-domination and so forth! Remember, Law’s friend once said “The meek shall inherit the earth”. But then again, I’m a Jew. Good luck to ya!

@ Bystander
I think you are the first Jewish person I ” met ” on this website.
Not sure if you know this (depends how long you have been around here) but if you are Jewish, you are Israeli ( news to you?) and you are part of the plot to take over Hungary because it’s Israel’s Number 1 target. Don’t bother denying it I seek the truth just like my good pal Law and you cannot fool me. (He was only kidding when he once told me to crawl under a rock. What a guy! Always comes up with something cute and original)
Thanks to postings, I know that Jews are taking over the USA but it’s a mere dress rehearsal. Reference: Salk51 named names – all those Jewish people in the Obama Administration. The Catholics and Protestants must be pissed off for being ignored, but that’s irrelevant since my question is related to Hungary.)
Anyway, what are the plans for Hungary once “you people” take over? Oszkar Molnar, Law, Pavaszem and Co. would not lie so I simply want to know what the future holds.
Be kind to Krisztina for her transgression once you take over. I know that males are ever so sensitive about you know what, but she was probably discriminated against by some nasty men in the workplace that day and wasn’t really responsible for those words. Please let “your people” know about the mitigating circumstances.

30 Israeli businessmen representing 16 Israeli
companies visited Hungary to improve Israeli
control over the nation. The visit was organized
by David Admon, Israel’s Ambassador to Hungary.
In 2003, bilateral trade between Israel and
Hungary was $173.4 million. By 2006 it had tripled
to $496 million.
Israel’s exports to Hungary totaled $97 million in
2006, while imports totaled $399 million. Thus,
Hungary is an Israel-controlled factory with cheap
Gentile workers.
Hungary’s president, prime minister, and all other
government ministers are Zionist Jews. Indeed, 75%
of government bureaucrats at all levels are
Zionist Jews, as is the minister of police. Many
of these people spend as much time in Israel as
they do in Hungary.
Jews own all TV, radio, and major newspaper
outlets.
The gangsters are utterly corrupt. Before Prime
Minister Ferenc Gyurcsany (Zionist Jew) took
office, he promised to reduce government waste.
Instead, he doubled taxes. In September 2006 he
was caught on tape admitting he lied to win the
elections.
cont

Despite total Jewish control of Hungary, Prime
Minister Ferenc Gyurcsany complains that Hungary is
a hotbed of “anti-Semitism.”
Hungarian Gentiles expect that if they try to take
back their government, NATO will send in the
military to protect the Jewish gangsters.

Well, the only ‘fact’ in Law’s surrealistic ‘description’ is the size of the main synagogue in Budapest.
The Great Synagogue, also known as Dohány Street Synagogue or Tabakgasse Synagogue, is located in Erzsébetváros, the 7th district of Budapest. It is the largest synagogue in Eurasia and the second largest in the world, after the Temple Emanu-El.
It seats 3,000 people and is a centre of Neolog Judaism.
The synagogue is 75m long and 27m wide, and was built between 1854 and 1859 in the Moorish Revival style, based chiefly on Moorish models from North Africa and Spain (the Alhambra), according to a plan by German Ludwig Förster, with interior design partly by Frigyes Feszl.
Theodore Herzl’s house of birth was next to the Dohány street Synagogue. In the place of his house stands the Jewish Museum, which holds the Jewish Religious and Historical Collection, built in 1930 in accordance with the synagogue’s architectural style and attached in 1931 to the main building.
Dohány Street itself, a leafy street in the city center, carries strong Holocaust connotations as it constituted the border of the Budapest Ghetto.

I just found this and didn’t read all the comments so maybe it was
already mentioned – the neonazi site kuruc.info, close to Jobbik,
is peddling doormats with portraits of politicians and media people
they don’t like (“to put the dirt where it belongs”), and they had one
of György Baló too, it made some news in summer.
http://atv.hu/hircentrum/090714_balo_gyorgyos_labtorlot_arul_a_
morvai_kozeli_hirportal___foto.html
I wonder how she explained that to her poor kids.

I see more and more posts about Morvai’s husband being a Jew in the Jewish media
Mark at January 5, 2010 10:08 AM
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You would care to share with us what you have read?
I think there are many that would be surprised you are actually reading “Jewish media”.
But maybe you mean MTI and all mainstream media, like Law, with that?

So by calling everything mainstream for ‘Jewish’ you do not think that you are a bit off the mark, Mark?
You do not even try to distinguish from the political side (Zionism) and the religious side (Judaism). For you they are the same and equally bad.
You have declared your support for the Jewish State of Israel in the specific ground that it means fewer Jews will be in Hungary.
On the other hand you cannot stop complaining over how Palestinians are created by the same Jewish State of Israel, that you support.
In total this make you into a very complex person, that in each step in life, you will identify your life-situation as being against any (imaginary or real) Jews.
I take Law’s drivel earlier today as a joke and you went for it. The most interesting with his drivel was the statement that Poland now is “Jew-controlled”. Poland was the Hungarian Right Wonder Country, when the 2 Twin Clowns were running it, but obviously they were just a ‘Jewish Front’?

Time magazine has characterized financier George Soros as a “modern-day Robin Hood,” who robs from the rich to give to the poor countries of eastern Europe and Russia. It claimed that Soros makes huge financial gains by speculating against western central banks, in order to use his profits to help the emerging post-communist economies of eastern Europe and former Soviet Union, to assist them to create what he calls an “Open Society.” The Time statement is entirely accurate in the first part, and entirely inaccurate in the second. He robs from rich western countries, and uses his profits to rob even more savagely from the East, under the cloak of “philanthropy.” His goal is to loot wherever and however he can. Soros has been called the master manipulator of “hit-and-run capitalism.”
As we shall see, what Soros means by “open,” is a society that allows him and his financial predator friends to loot the resources and precious assets of former Warsaw Pact economies. By bringing people like Jeffrey Sachs or Sweden’s Anders Aslund and their economic shock therapy into these economies, Soros lays the groundwork for buying up the assets of whole regions of the world at dirt-cheap prices.
The man who broke the Bank of England?
An examination of Soros’s secretive financial network is vital to understand the true dimension of the “Soros problem” in eastern Europe and other nations.
http://www.questionsquestions.net/docs04/engdahl-soros.html

Of course, a 14 year old ‘report’ on Soros is a must to read today. Nothing happened in between that was interesting.
This ‘report’ finish with the statement:
“The political agenda of Soros and this group of financial “globalists” will create the conditions for a new outbreak of war, even world war, if it continues to be tolerated”
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And what has this to do with today’s Hungary?
Of course, WWIII is starting tomorrow.
In Budapest, on Dohány Street, when the Israeli Black Ops, that have been hiding in the Synagogue for the last 3 years, will be coming storming out and occupy the rest of the world.
It is time to update your inventory on helmets and flack-jackets.

Please let Fidesz, MSZP, Jobbik, MDF, etc present their policies and we will judge them accordingly.
The ping pong contradictions posted on this forum
by ill-informed idiots do nothing to address the real issues in Hungary today.
It is convenient for people to look the other way
regarding the truth about Soros when receiving his ill-gotten gains. It is understandable too..especially in ex-eastern bloc countries where
money is scarce, to say the least!

For the record…the whole “you wouldn’t understand suffering” thing is pretty sick really. First of all, those who say such things are making one almighty assumption. Second, to invalidate someone else by comparing relative levels of pain is, in my opinion, one of the ultimate forms of hypocrisy. Finally, those kind of comments are very typical of those caught in a victim mentality, that is unlikely to ever lead to anything but deepening resentment and hatred. It’s pointless, inaccurate, and makes you exactly what you claim to hate.
That’s it for me for now.I’m off to a new land and a new life. I’ll get back on when I can, though I don’t know how long it will be.
Take care everyone.

@JustAsking,
No… mentioning that I happen to be Jewish is not a “trump card”, but did seem a relevant detail to me considering the line of discussion along the thread and the fact that I haven’t seen anyone here admit they were Jewish…
Do yourself a favor and take a look at the title of the page (hint: see bar at the top of your browser window) and see if the topic of Jewishness is more or less relevant than, say “George Soros” to this thread).
So now that we’ve gotten that out of the way, I’ll be quick since I don’t seem to have as much time on my hands as some of you…
First of all, since Law/Mark/etc. claim that Hungary is positively *overrun* by Jews, how come I’m not hearing from any/many on this site? Maybe their numbers are off a little?
Secondly, I would like to propose that the reason a large number of Jews (in the United States at least, pardon my going off-Hungary-topic momentarily) have a tendency to reach positions of power, wealth, and/or influence — not to mention accademia and sciences etc. — is because it is embedded in Jewish culture that EDUCATION is the most important thing to pass on to one’s children.
I don’t have time for a cultural analysis here and clearly this is shared by many ethnic groups, but let’s just say that, growing up, if I told my parents I didn’t want to go to university, they would not have been pleased! They did their best to make sure I had lots of books to read, after-school programs etc. (cont’d)

@Bystander
You should not make statements like these without prior warning:
Admitting that you are a Jew
Apologizing for the bad Jews of history
Apologizing for many bad policies of the state of Israel which you don’t agree with
I have never seen anything like that and I need to double my medication to prevent the shock from doing serious harm. I have been an admirer of Dr. Norman G. Finkelstein for his integrity, humanity and honesty but he is a pariah who is hated and persecuted by some of the most influential people in the extremist Jewish community. His lectured are constantly interrupted and it would appear that he is hated more than Hitler yet he goes on speaking the truth. Some claim that he is a self-hating Jew but others see him as the best hope for Jews getting along with the rest of us.
Granting that Jewish culture values education but other cultures value education just as much yet they do not take over countries such as Hungary and call all those who want their country back all kind of names. How do you explain the “Sukoró” fiasco any many other cases where Hungarian Jews collaborated with Israeli Jews to hand over choice Hungarian real estate, for a fraction of their value to their Israeli counterparts? I do not see the threat to my people and my country in you getting a great education but in the colonial design of Israel on Hungary and the brutal role of Jews during the Communist era. However, this is the first time I ever came across a Jew apologizing “for the bad Jews of history” and I thank you for that. Maybe there is hope…

@ Mark
I hope to God Bystander was being sarcastic when
he apologized for the bad Jews in history and the policy of Israel
Should Wolfi apologize for Hitler?
Should you apologize for the US foreign policy?
Should I apologize for the way Canada treated/treating our First nation?
I don’t believe in “collective guilt” – do you?

@Justasking,
I am sorry to hear you disagree with my ‘theory’. It’s just a ‘theory’ so feel free to rebut it with greater detail if you like. Debating back and forth with facts can help people with differing viewpoints clarify things, which is one of the great things about a website such as this. My original point to you was that I think however that people shoule “fight fair” and not cheat by using distraction-tactics or using unsubstantiated facts, etc.; something that at least the folks here are willing to call each other out on, which is good.
As to your comment, clearly, most of the people in THIS thread are fairly well-educated and probably DID for the most part have parents who encouraged us to get an education, otherwise the level of debate here would be more like the illiterate comments one sees at the bottom of YouTube pages… So sure, in THIS particular “demographic sample” (correct my jargon please Vandorlo!) the Jews obviously don’t have a monopoly on education… Perhaps there is data out there though on what percentage of Jewish children go on to higher education vs. other peoples, I don’t know…
I guess you are right, ALL Jews are just sinister exploiters of others and THAT explains it!
Now that the sarcasm is over, I was only partly sarcastic in apologizing for other Jews’ misdeeds… I do see a lot in the world I’m ashamed of; some caused by Jews, most of it, not.
So… Mark, et al, are YOU guilty for things YOUR countrymen did?

@ Bystander
I asked Mark the same thing – I mentioned I hoped you were sarcastic about apologies for Jewish crimes or Israel’s policies.
@ Justasking
It’s only January 5th and I found something you wrote that I agree with. Scary thought that we are on the same page (re feeling guilty about past Hungarian transgressions)

Maybe we are in agreement… When I say I am “ashamed” of what I see going on around the world I mean that speaking AS a Human Being I am ashamed that “we all over the world” can’t treat each other better, without killing or exploiting each other in our quest to provide for our families etc.
I *could* say “horrified” or “saddened” which would be more of a passive phrasing, but I think I will stick with “ashamed” because we as Human Beings should KNOW better and we could DO better but ignorance and fear etc. seem to always get the better of us in the frenzy for survival and so on, and I do feel slightly ashamed that people’s better instincts don’t always win out.
I don’t mean by that to say that I am RESPONSIBLE for troubles of the world… the way the Israeli settlers take a hardline approach (out of fear, perhaps paranoia of terrorism) or I am RESPONSIBLE for bad US foreign policy at times (because I may have voted for the “other guy” though I may enjoy the fruits of US exploitation in terms of cheap oil prices etc.) but that I think we as people all over the world can do better and it’s my personal feeling maybe that if everyone tried just a little harder, either through persuasion (why I’m *here* maybe?) or tolerance or whatever other small contributions people could make to fight injustice and help the unfortunate, that the world could be improved.
So it’s ‘disappointment’ in human nature perhaps that moves me to use the word “ashamed”, not actual “culpability”.

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@ Klara
Which one of the several essay writing opportunities above your posting was the most emotionally charged? I couldn’t make up my mind.
Re: … ” the clergy installed as the new priest in the district church (after chasing off a young man with a true calling) is a former (i guess) jew. a clock punching, obese clod who does more to keep people out of church than attending. ”
You “guess” he was a former Jew ? If he was an obese clod, you can BET he was a Jew (perhaps a Roma, but I say a Jew but most importantly, we do know he was not a Tiszta Magyar. Process of elimination and there are only 3 groups to choose from so it’s easy
Please give more details – obviously it’s current news since an Easter service was involved.
Do you know if David Irving weighed in on the scandal? If so, what was his learned opinion?