June 3rd, 2009

Please accept our apologies for somehow never mentioning that Hungary’s terrifying new “Nazi” leader is happily married to a Jew

krisztis-secret.jpgWith just a few days left before this year’s European Parliament balloting, it’s pretty clear that the big story of the EP election in Hungary is the strong likelihood that the right-wing Jobbik will be the only minor party to send a representative to Strasbourg. Meanwhile, much of the foreign media’s coverage of Jobbik’s rise has focused on its charismatic EP list leader, academic/layer Krisztina Morvai. Yet among all the thousands of words spilled profiling Morvai and her party – typified by this interview in last week’s Budapest Times, and this frustrated “non-interview” in the UK Telegraph – one seemingly crucial detail is always omitted: that Movai is married to a Jew who isn’t even right-wing (television reporter György Baló). What this all means I have no idea, though if there was ever a topic made for open comments, this would have to be it. Go wild, kids.

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  • Viking

    Must be that Csurka Istvan, leader of the other extreme right-wing and openly anti-jewish party, means when he calls the Jobbik leadership for a bunch of Mossad-agents.

  • wtf?

    I really don’t understand the whole anti-Jewish anti-Israeli rhetoric going around in Hungary? Do you people really think the Jews are trying to take over the world? Do you really believe the Israelis are trying to take over Hungary?
    If this is true – it only means Hungary and the Hungarians have not developed since the WW2, and might have even gone backwards..
    Wake up! People are exactly the same! It doesn’t matter which religion you have been born into, or which country you’re from! Start acting like human beings, and not nationalistic air heads!

  • JEM

    Well said wtf my sentiments exactly.

  • fabian

    Which proves Jobbik is not ‘anti-semite’ once and for all,any person who puts Hungary first is eligible–be he Jew,or any other faith. This is no big deal,an interview was published last year with an Hungarian Jewish man who joined Jobbik also.
    Now all you Jobbik haters go back to the drawing board and try again!

  • Is it supposed to be surprising that stupid people with stupid ideas marry stupid people?

  • salk51

    The top people in the Obama adminsitration: emmanuel, axelrod, summers, berhake, orszag, geitner, summers, rattner, bloom, feldman, hamburg. They have one thing in common. Christians need not apply. Why do they hate christian people so much is my question when we dont hate anyone.

  • wtf?

    salk51, on which planet do you live on?
    It’s very easy to pick and name the Jewish people working in the Obama administration, and leave out all the rest who by the way, aren’t Jewish.
    And, have you heard any of the people you’ve just mentioned say anything about Christianity?
    Do you think the current administration has some hidden Jewish/Muslim agenda? If you do, go vote for Jobik, they’re just for you!
    Wake up! We’re all the same! Stop categorizing people, in order to make yourself feel better about yourself!

  • Gandi

    “Wake up! We’re all the same! Stop categorizing people, in order to make yourself feel better about yourself!”
    LOL, that is the kind of thinking that had Hungary in communist tyranny for almost 50 years! Communism, no thanks…..universial brotherhood and solidarity, no thanks…..You lunatic leftists think everyone is the same, wake up….
    Stalin, Lenin, Marx, Kun Bela, Kadar….Kaput!

  • Godot

    wtf believes: “People are exactly the same”
    No they are not. Some of them are “samer” than others.
    “Stop categorizing people”
    Stop making yourself special. Why do you need hundreds of jewish organizaions in a small country like Hungary? Why can’t you just get on with the program and be Hungarians? No one cares about your ancestry, if you want to be Hungarian, it’s a whole lot easier than to become a jew. We have many people here, coming from all kinds different nationalities and religions. They chose to become Hungarians, and no one bothers them. Jews and gypsies on the other hand stick out like a sore thumb. They don’t want to be Hungarians, they just want to live here and take advantage of the many undeserved benefits of being a “minority”. If preserving your tribal subculture is so important to you, then don’t blame anyone else for treating you as different. If you are destructive and divisive, don’t expect to be popular.

  • wtf?

    Gandi, I meant to say we’re all Human!
    I said nothing about spreading the wealth nor against capitalism!
    What kept Hungarians under communist rule for so many years, had nothing to do with leftist extremist, but a ruthless bunch of people who enjoyed their power, and used it to suppress half of Europe. They used nationalist ideology (sound familiar) to sell the people a dream, that everybody knew won’t come true, and many people didn’t believe in, but went along with it to feel better about themselves.
    Hungary is no different from anywhere else in the world, nor are Hungarians any different from the rest. We all suffer from the same problems, and worry about the same things. Hate for one group or another will only make the situation worst! What is needed is good people with good ideas, not people selling cheap populism!

  • wtf?

    Godot – being a good person also means accepting other peoples differences.
    If a group of people believe in something (say Judaism), it doesn’t make them less Hungarian than you are. Most of them were brought up exactly like you, just celebrated Hanukka instead of Christmas. Does the fact that they don’t believe in Jesus bother you that much?
    You say they should get with system, and be Hungarian.. Who are you to decide what Hungarian is? What makes you more Hungarian than they are? Who is a Hungarian?
    Why should they forget their heritage to be more Hungarian?
    Religion is like following your favorite football team – Do you hate the guy for liking the other team better?

  • Gandi

    WTF, they did not use a nationalist idealogy, they used an INTERNATIONALIST idealogy, much like what you are saying, we are all the same human beings etc (International solidarity and brotherhood). BTW, I wasn’t talking about the political or economic tenants of communism, but the social ones, almost identical to the multicultural crap that is promoted by today’s Neo-Coms (ultra-left-wing). In all history, it is natural or normal to be with your own people…most empires and states that kept their own people and culture strong…survived. Those that brought in “other” peoples and cultures were doomed as it was these other peoples who replaced the original majority.

  • Gandi

    WTF, a Hungarian is someone who is culturally and ethnically and bloodwise a Hungarian. Just because someone holds a Hungarian passport does not mean they are ethnically a Hungarian. They speak Hungarian and have “real” Hungarian last names, not made up ones. Hungarians are either Catholic, Protestant or Evangelical. Look at the Coat of arms on the flag and you see a cross, not a Star of David….

  • wtf?

    Gandi, what you say is correct, according to 300 years ago!!
    Welcome to the modern world, where the current super powers of the world are the most diverse; For example – the United States! It’s true, they’re nationalistic, but they let each other believe what every they want(look at Scientology)! Another super power example, Germany, where after the second world war, ran out of working young men, and had to import cheap labor (Turkey). And here’s another one for you – Australia.. And the list goes on…
    On the other hand, you have Hungary, with a minimum amount of immigrants, with a minimum amount of diversity within the country – lagging behind all of Europe. Nationalism is a thing of the past. Realism, pragmatism and humanism are what push the world forward.
    Diversity and freedom of thought are what make the world a better place. Stop thinking you’re better than all the rest!

  • wtf?

    Gandi, do you know what you have in your blood that makes you Hungarian? NOTHING! If you’ll need a transfusion one day (Which I hope you won’t) – it won’t make you any less Hungarian if you get it from a Jew, Gypsy or who ever else you dislike.. You’ll still be you.
    As I’ve written, your religion is like a football team. If I’m not mistaken, until king Stephan decided, the Hungarians were pagan!
    Why do you look for reasons to deislike other people. If you love Hungary so much, why not try to make it a better place, not by hating, but by being kind to others (foreign and domestic)!

  • Dozsa

    Morvai’s cynicism and manipulativeness knows no boundaries. The significance of the Jobbik in the EU elections is part of a larger plan put in play by the rightist British National Party (BNP)to support right wing nationalist, anti-EU parties such as the Flemish Block and the French National Front in an attempt to gain a powerful nationalist right wing faction in the EU parliament. BNP leader Nick Griffin has spoken at Jobbik and Garda rallies. Among the right wing parties in Europe, the Jobbik are more likely to win seats than parties in more developed nations. If you look at the BNP “Language and Concepts Discipline Manual” http://www.wikileaks.com/leak/bnp-language-discipline-2005.pdf you can see how the rhetoric of this nationalism has affected Jobbik discourse,i.e. rule #14: not anti semitic but only “anti-zionist” for example. Morvai is overwhelmingly ambitious – she turned right because she was booted from her job at the Hungarian UN delegation. She doesn’t care how she gets into a powerful office, she has no sense of common responsibility or ethics beyond a tribal and personal level. And for her it has definatley paid off. Her husband knows this. Obviously they both see it as a big cosmic joke, and it can only be played in a Hungarian arena. Heck… they are both in show business, essentially. Sad, really.

  • Lajos Komarom

    Here we go. All the usual stick insects crawling out of the cupboard to express their non-relevant viewpoints. Jews, gypsies, muslims et al taking centre stage on the Hungarian platform.
    I am only interested in a political party that presents good ideas with a chance of getting them implemented. Jobbik or Fidesz may, or may not, fit the bill?
    One thing for sure is that Morvai is an opportunist that will do, or say anything to be a leader, whether it be the Girl Guides, or the
    Fourth Reich.
    Unfortunately, Jobbik are stuck with her and the bullshit she churns out on a regular basis.
    I saw her on TV the other night and she reminded me of Margaret Thatcher before the men in the white coats came to take her away.

  • salk41

    WTF, the fact remains ALL of the important powerful positions in the obama adminsitration have one thing in common. Is that right? Is that fair that I am discriminated against because of my religion? Is it fair that these people gave 12.8 trillion US$’s to the NY/Wall street banks of my tax dollars? But not one penny to the christian church? Everyone agrees this is theft and unethical discrimination. And it is similar to the Stalin KNVD archetype. Death camps to follow for us christian.

  • Emese

    Wish you all the luck to enter the EU parliment Krisztina, show those liberals the right way!

  • wtf?

    salk41, It really seems to me we live in two different worlds.
    In the modern world (like in the U.S.), it doesn’t matter what your religion is in order to get a job. These people were chosen because they are qualified for the job! In the modern world, people aren’t discriminated because of their religion and aren’t judged for it.
    The banks and people of the US are suffering because of mistakes made by the leaders of the country and it’s citizens (like buying houses they can’t afford..).
    I’m not sure you’ve been to the States recently, but when it comes to money for churches – you need not worry – they have more than enough. And concerning death camps – don’t worry, it doesn’t happen in the modern world, just in countries that judge certain groups, and not individuals, like they should. If death camps will be built again, it would be only because of people like you!

  • salk41

    WTF, so ALL of the major US government positions went to a group
    of Americans with a certain religion (Axelrod, Emmanuael,
    Bernhake, Summers, Geitner, Bloom, Rattner, Feldman, Bair,
    Hamburg). This is a coincidence? It is clear: christians need NOT
    apply. You are telling me that this is a coincidence? A coincidence
    that this group has delivered 12.8 trillion to the New York Banks
    run by Han Greenberg (AIG) , Rob Rubin (CITIBANK), and Blankfein
    (Goldman Sachs)? All of whom share a certain religion? This is some
    coincidence. This is moral? Ethical? Fair? These are the people that
    lost trillions yet they are receiving trillions from the US taxpayor.
    Death camps? They can happen again: there is an eary similarity
    between Stalin/Obama and their Marxist henchmen both controlled
    by one religion. Stalin targeted mainly christians just as Obama
    and his verminous henchmen.

  • wtf?

    salk41, I feel sorry for you.
    I hope that one day, you’ll be able to leave that dark and scary cave you’re living in, and join us all under the sun, in the real world. Good day sir.

  • Viking

    salk41,
    So you agree with Czurka Istvan, MIEP, that the Jobbik leadership is just a bunch of Mossad-agents?
    (to take back the discussion to Hungary again)

  • truth

    I would think that the “Mossad” would have other things to do, rather than dealing with a failing almost bankrupt country like Hungary.
    Paranoia anyone?

  • Lacho Calad

    Lets face it. Jobbik know how to make political spin – form putting crosses all over Hunagry to the Magyar Garda – thats all political strategy.
    With the Morvai chick they can bury all the talk that they are “a fascist movement like in the thrities” as Comrade Gordon called it. Therefore I do not think it was a coincidence that they made Morvai the head candidate for the EU parliament. Because if Jobbik get into the EUP then they can say “we are not anti semites – Morvai is sleeping with one”. Or: “Hey, we got the symbolic jew”. Next: the symbolic negro, gay or gypsy:-). Fidesz watch out.

  • NWO

    Godot
    Tell me, what undeserved benefits am I missing out on as a Jew? I get to pay the same taxes (just a lot more than most)as those few other honest tax paying Hungarians; I get the “benefit” of the same crappy educational and health care systems as other Hungarians; and I get to live in a country where everyone feels sorry for themselves and believes all the problems are due to outsiders and not of their own making (like everyone else). If there is a better deal for Jews out there,please let me know. I am sick and tired of the crappy deal that I have been getting. The better deal in this country is for the roughly 45% of the adult population that does not work, does not pay tax and is cared for by the State and the taxpayers. I would guess that Jews do not make up a higher proportion of this group than do gentiles.

  • C’est Moi

    Sulk41 – Which one of the fucking idiots are you; Stan, HP, Richy, or Tunde? You all spout the same bullshit but keep changing your names so we think there are more of you cockroaches out there than there really are. Take one name and stick with it so we can follow you like any other tagged animal.

  • Lacho Calad

    NWO. Isnt the problem that people have been educated to be in a state of organized helplesness?
    Hasnt this been a political strategy for the socialist and liberals; “we buy you – the people- off for the price of political apathy”.
    Instead they should have invested in the people, the small businesses etc. Shown a little more trust in the Hungarian people. But their political strategy have always been governed by fear (of the people).

  • @Lacho Calad: You have hit the nail on the head with your phrase “educated to be in a state of organized helplesness.” But you are way off in suggesting that it is only the Socialists and Liberals doing this; indeed, right now these two parties (with the MDF) are the only ones even vaguely suggesting that the state will take care of each and every need Hungarians may have. Despite its laudable focus on the need to cut taxes, etc., Fidesz is currently the chief proponent of the sort of turbo nanny state that has left the Hungarian population so helpless and dependent. But overall, this is the MO of all politicians…

  • Viking

    I would add to the “educated to be in a state of organized helplesness”-thingy that if we look at Liberals in a non-Hungarian form and more general European, the Liberals have *not* been preaching a Nanny-state, quite the opposite.
    The Nanny-state is a European Socialist/Social-Democratic idea, sometimes borrowed by non-Socialist parties, like Fidesz here in Hungary. It is normally a sure vote-winner. Give the people bread and you will get their votes.
    The Nanny-state come originally from corporatism, we are all in the same boat. Something that joins Communists and Fascists. That is why it can be sometimes hard to see the difference between Jobbik and the MunkasPart, they share much of the same basic ideology – State is everything, Individual nothing.

  • Erik and Viking. I think you both would agree that the liberals are advocating for minimal state and not anti-state. Therefore the liberals have a political rationality about the state. And the liberal state, as it has been proven, do not lack in the prodution af laws. On the contrary in a liberal state (and I live in one) theres a massive production of laws. Every bit of social life i being regulated.
    The question of course is, what kind of subject do these laws produce? Is it like, as you would have it, only the socialist and social democratic states that produceres a docile animal? A pice of meat to be consumed?
    For me, the difference between the two is that the socalist just want the populations silence, while the liberal state is actually more sinister becauce it want our desires; that to be succesful – or even to be alive – is to have a big house, a flashy car, a bimbo wife, and all the new tech crap you can carry. And for Gods sake, no politics!!
    But isnt this to be “educated to be in a state of organized helplesness”? (and not to be educated to: “everything i allowed, nothing is true”- that would be real education).
    The social and liberal state has the same agenda – and the same fear of the same “thing”: the becoming masses. Therefore theres not that big a differnce between them – only a diffrence in political rationality of the state.

  • @Lacho Calad: My response to this would be that there isn’t really much of a difference between countries you might call “liberal” and ones you might call “social democratic.” In all of them the state is actively managing somewhere between around 35%-40% and 50%-55% of GDP, and getting deeply involved with the everyday lives of people though heaps and heaps of regulations. And this is why politics in places from Hungary to the US are largely driven by personality and “culture war” stuff; without such alleged issues the politicians wouldn’t have any material to pretend to fight over. To be brutally cynical, most elections are rather like gang wars… it makes a big difference for the gangs who wins, but for the people being (mis)ruled, not so much.

  • salk41

    WTF, Viking, I dont know anything about Jobbik. Is it a person or party or movement? Mossad? I grew up near Ram emmanuel (President Obamas Chief of staff and chief henchman). He holds an israeli passport- not illegal; his father was/is a member of israeli paramilitary- not illegal; Ram emmanuel has received billions from new york banksters in order to receive trillions from obama/emmanuel courtesy of the american taxpayor- thats illegal and immoral. This is fact and is actually undisputed. You can enjoy any religion you choose to practice. But why discriminate against christians? trillions to wall street banks yet not one government $ for the christian church (that has built the education system, healthcare system, and charitable system for the world)?

  • wtf?

    salk41, in the recent financial crisis, money was lost by banks – not churches. No Jewish/Islamic/Hindu/Buddhist organization got money from the American government – so why should the churches receive funds?
    Sure, the banks made many mistakes, and the managers deserve to pay for their mistakes with their jobs. The money which was given to the banks, wasn’t given to them because their managers were Jewish – it was given because if they wouldn’t have gotten it – many more people would have suffered from this terrible crisis. Just imagine the collapse of 33′, but worse!
    Ram Emmanual is not the president, and does not to do what ever he pleases… In the US, things are followed up, and the media will report if something would stink (unlike here in Hungary). Politicians are held accountable for their actions!
    It is true, Ram’s father belonged to a paramilitary group before the foundation of Israel. A group the was broken up as Israel was formed. It’s true the Ram is Jewish, and speaks Hebrew, but this doesn’t mean he wouldn’t put HIS country (the USA) first!
    You say that it’s a fact he got money from the banks – Prove it! I have read and heard nothing. Which leads me to my last point. Your rhetoric sadly reminds me of the rhetoric used by the Nazis in the 30’s. Luckily, people are smarter now – and you kind sir, aren’t. The are no big conspiracies, just small minded people.

  • Erik. Thats was my point in the first entry; theres no differnce between the two states, socialist, liberal; their rationalty is working like an pendulum, one two. This is the modern (Hungarian) state, and its principal aim is to produce at pice of meat without will and aim. Only to consume; to stuff more emptiness in to The Great Emptiness.
    I rest my case.

  • salk41

    WTF! Your direct personal attacks mimic those of the communists KNVD. And that is what I am afraid of. Tens of millions of christians were put into death camps by the KNVD (legacy of marx, engels, lenins,bera, molotov, ralozy,etc). There is no dispute that the wall street bankrupt investment banks gave billions to obama/axelrod/emmanuel/summers/geitner for their campaign- it is public information. In turn they produced 12.8 trillion US$’s for wall street vermin (blankfein, greenberg, rubin, Diamond of AIG, Goldman Sachs, CITIBANK, and CHASE JPMORGAN). But not one $ for the most meritorious christian organizations producing schools and hospital and welfare? This is wrong and abusive. But dont worry WTF! The new york received 12.8 trillion US $’s ! And they will receive trillions more in freebies! There is nothing now to stop this cabal. Nothing. Hence, people like you will want to put people like me into death camps as you did in the 1940-1970 period. Never an apology.

  • Viking

    No, Lacho Calad, now you are moving the goal posts.
    Now you are ‘anti-state’?
    Laws are bad?
    The Liberalism I grew up with (Sweden) was for small business and “DIY” with your life. This in strong opposition to the over 40 year Social Democratic Government.
    Both Sweden and Hungary exist in Europe, the US perspective is totally off here. I would not call the US a Liberal state, more a Conservative. When in the US I feel mostly closed in by a narrow-minded society filled by narrow-minded people. I try not to be too often in the US.
    If you want ‘anti-state’ (whatever that is) I do not where you should go, probably outside in space somewhere.
    All States/Regimes are built on the fact that people are ruled and can be divided into Rulers and Ruled.
    The Democracy-part of this is if the Ruled has a decent chance to become part of the Rulers.
    That’s it, not more sexy than that.
    Or do you have a working example to tell us that it is not like this?

  • salk41

    WTF! conincidence? I will name you the top financiers in the obama camp: axelrod, emmanuel, summers, geitner, bernhake, orszag, bair, feldman, rattner, shapiro, hamburg. They have one thing in common. This a coincidence? This defies logic. I shouldnt be worried? Or concerned? this is the new KNVD (I suggest you read about your peoples hatred for christians). I challenge you to identify the top 10 people in the obama cabal. Find me one christian. Anyone with a sense of fair-play would agree this is overwhelming abuse of power. Or you believe that it is a coincidence that 12.8 trillion$’s has been spent on the wall street cabal (greenberg, blankfein, rubin, diamond)?

  • salk41

    viking! The US used to grow 5-15% /year when the government represented 5 % or less of the economy. We now grow at 1% or possibly negative growth with 50-60% government expenditure. How can this be? There has been zero (0) real growth in the West since 1975. Yet massive growth in debt. The debt bomb has exploded so this may mark the death of socialism/massive govt intervention. A hungarian can prosper in a free market capitalist system. We are dead in a socialist system because we will never have the inside political connections as we are such a small independent thinking people. We could never enter the inner circle of obama (summers, axelrod, geitner, orszag, bair, shapiro, rattner, feldman, rubin, blankfein, hank greenberg, ram ehmannuel,etc).

  • wtf?

    Dear Salk41, I have nothing else to add to what I’ve already said, because you keep repeating yourself, telling us of your wild dreams of Jewish world domination plans. I’ll let other people respond to your statements, if they wish.
    I hope that you have the chance to be treated for the paranoia you suffer from. In the mean time, be well.

  • Lacho Calad

    Viking. My idea of absolute freedom is a car on the road to onwhere, packed with beer and automatic rifles.

  • Viking

    salk41,
    “The debt bomb has exploded so this may mark the death of socialism/massive govt intervention”.
    OK, who buys the peszgö so we can celebrate?
    A free life is awaiting us and the whole world.

  • Lacho Calad

    Viking or toy story Viking, do you realy listen to other peoples arguments or are you just in love with your own statements?

  • salk41

    WTF, never did I mention “world domination”. Those are your words and notions and conclusions. I just made statements of fact. You may be uneasy with them. Dont fret! The new york banks have received 12.8 trillion US$’s and will receive trilliions more(be aware these investments banks have used much of this money to make huge bets against the euro, forint, etc in order to destabilize the region and profit enormously.) Courtesy of the US taxpayor and obamas henchmen.

  • Olipro

    “wtf?” is quite right – as opposed to this idiotic right-wing bigots who I noticed will either disagree with you or simply try and twist what you say to serve their own agenda (hi Gandi)
    At the end of the day these parties are self-serving populists, all they’re really interested in is landing themselves a comfy salary off the back of the taxpayer – if they can gain a degree of legitimacy by claiming they want to chuck out the jews, blacks and gypsies then they’ll say it, ultimately these groups have nothing to do with the country’s problems.
    in the UK we have the BNP – part of their manifesto promises they will “re-patriate” (deport) anyone who commits a crime and is not a White British person: i.e. if you’re third generation pakistani, born in the UK and you say… run a red traffic light, they will *deport* you.
    Though perhaps after the foreign countries start refusing them they’ll just gas them instead.
    Parties like the BNP and Jobbik only have a forum with those who are stupid, racist or naieve (or a combination of all 3)
    People have mixed so much that there is no real genetic difference left – people in Hungary are the same as people in the UK, you just happen to speak a different language.
    and Salk41, Obama is a christian and he backs Geithner.
    Finally… the executives of the failed/failing banks have been chucked out and/or penalised, plus you seem to forget that TARP was implemented by Bush, NOT Obama.

  • salk41

    Olipro, the US banksters punished? Kidding, right? They have received 12.8 trillion US$’s and mainly from the obama camp. Geitner? He is a member of the tribe as is his wife- not illegal. Geitner is a protege of Robert Rubin for whom he has given tens of billions via Goldman sachs and CITIBANK. This obama adminsitration discriminates violently against the christian people especially the caucasians. And there is nothing you can do about it as the entire media is controlled by the tribe. I am however mainly concerned that the tribe will put the christians in death camps as they did in the USSR.

  • Viking

    salk41,
    If you are so concerned maybe you should re-group to the African West-Coast. There you will find strong support for your “christian people”.
    “the entire media is controlled by the tribe”
    Yes, that is why you are posting here?
    Normally you guys blame Erik (site-owner) to be a Jew and up to the right hand corner you have the ad for the local Jew-controlled Bank, so no contradiction here?

  • kedves

    Shit piles up on these pages faster than any gypsy
    can high-tail it to the Hungarian welfare state
    to receive all the benefits, and housing, and subsidies, currently available courtesy of the commie-loving MSZP.
    Africa, WW1 and WW11, and liberals and gays and Mossad and jews and Colonel “fucking” Gaddafi are discussed and cited ad-infinitum by toerags and cockroaches and dissolute lecturers,pimple-faced and mis-guided students on this forum to the extent that the unbiased onlooker would consider these peasants to be nothing more than riff-raff
    from the bowels of hell. Fuck off once and for all and start discussing relevant matters related to Hungary and its people. Let’s hear no more from charlatans living in the USA, Rumania, Slovakia, et al taking up valuable space with tripe and onion rhetoric. I repeat: FUCK OFF!!!

  • salk41

    Viking, there is no dispute that the American media is 98% left wing/communist. US newspapers? controlled by sam Zell and the Sulzbergers. TV? Rupert Murdoch and Summner Redstone. Magazines and print? Mort Zuckerman. This is not illegal. But all part of the tribe. Is it legal for one to voice a christians viewpoint or is that against your Marxist/KNVD deathcamp protocol? You sound like a real Rokoczy. Africa? The left wing Marxist agenda has made it impossible to live in Africa.

  • joker

    When the Jews and the Gypsies are so clever, why should they try to get in charge of the poorest and most boring country in eastern Europe? Common, even if they manage the get all the Hungarians kicked out, it will still suck here. Hilarious.

  • salk41

    I dont care who lives here. And I dont care what their religion is. But I dont think Socialism is the answer. This nation needs very limited democracy: maybe one mayor for the whole nation. Rule of law, respect for property rights. It needs a government that controls at most 5% of the country (not 70%). Taxation at 5% of the GDP. And free market capitalism. And respect for the christian people. Government control of nearly every industry, welfare payments, endless disability claimants, confiscatoy taxation is not the answer and implies a return to the Dark Ages.

  • Viking

    salk41,
    Finally you wrote a post that makes some sense and can be applied to Hungary. Just forget all the US-crap.
    I have no problem to agree with a small state, that is a typical West-European Liberal claim anyway.
    I have no problem with a free market capitalism. You will though on these pages find a lot of supporters of the anti-capitalist Jobbik. Also the biggest opposition party, Fidesz, like to dress up like anti-capitalists and claim that is “Hungarian Nationalism”.
    I quite do not understand your statement “respect for the christian people”. Why should Christian have more respect automatically than people like me – an Ateist?
    No, there should be a total division between the State and Religion, no State Religions like in Israel and Iran thank you.
    *But* people of religion should be respected and be allowed to practice their faith, as much as possible, it is part of ‘Free Speech’.

  • Barb

    New Face of Hate????

  • JD

    And …. getting back to the original story.
    Krisztina Morvai is clearly bark at the moon, play in my own shit, mad.
    A self styled lunatic that, probably because she is a lawyer, has had the sense of power go to her head. In reality, another useless dibbling idiot that thinks everyone is inferior and stupid when really, the only questionable IQ level is her own.
    What a nasty piece of work this woman must be.
    Oh and by the way, WTF?, spot on with your great comments, Viking, Truth and Lajos also.

  • Godot

    JD = Jud
    Got it.

  • JD

    Not really Godot.
    Time for your medication?

  • Emese

    JD your the real crackpot here!! Go get a life instead of trying to be a drug dealer, typical of you neo liberal jerks..

  • Viking

    It is interesting that when I point to that a ‘unique poster’ is against Jobbik policies, he/she just disappears and is replaced by a lot of pro-Jobbik posters.
    FSB pay you all?

  • JD

    Nope, Emese, you’ve lost me too.
    Can someone explain? I don’t mind insults but at least make them intelligible.

  • Emese

    Im a patriotoc volunteer, there is no price that can buy my soul, Jobbik and Garda are all supported by people power not the tribe!

  • JD

    Emese, are you just about to commit Hara Kiri?
    You sound completely derranged.

  • Viking

    Emese,
    I am a European volunteer, there is no price that can buy my soul.
    If you have a problem with other people not running around in Italian designed clothes (remember I have seen the inside of the first batch of the Magyar Garda clothes), you should clearly say so, without that coward hiding behind the current hip-word in your European congregation.

  • Emese

    I just believe in Justice for Hungarians and your time has expired, time out the for the Tribe!!!!!
    HAJRA MAGYARORSZAG! HAJRA MAGYAROK!
    Szebb Jovot!!

  • Viking

    Emese,
    “your time has expired”
    Which time?
    Cannot you spell out more exactly what you want?
    And how has “Justice for Hungarians” been changed today?
    What do you really expect from the future?

  • salk51

    Viking! I am basically also an atheist. I dont believe christians should have more rights but I also believe they should not be discriminated against- as they are in the US. All the positions of political, media, banking power are given to a certain religion. The vast majority of the 12.8 trillion$ new york hustler bankster bailout has gone to a certain religion. But the government refuses to give one $ to the christian church! (The most important institution in America!) I am all for separation of church and State: so no money for the new york bankster sheisters. (I cant see a similar situation in Hungary because they have to live in the real world unlike the American politicos and they have constraints on their government spending.

  • JD

    Bank – Church – Bank – Church
    salk51 can you really not see the difference. Banks were bailed out for a reason, whether you think it was the best use of money is another matter but what would be the economic significance of giving the money to a church? Do churches lend to businesses, do they deal with insurance and pensions. Perhaps they would prey much much harder with more money so that we would all be saved.
    Your argument is utter rubbish. Just because a bank employs someone of Jewish faith doesn’t make it a Synagogue.

  • Csaba

    JD. My bank charged me 30 forint (twice) for looking at my bank balance on screen?
    The bank pay no interest on my foreign currency accounts but are charging the poor suckers who need to borrow something like 20 per cent interest???
    The forint can earn you nice interest on deposit accounts but…erm, er, even dedicated Hungarians have their money deposited in foreign banks in every available currency except..you’ve guessed
    it – the feeble forint! Too much of a risk for most people.
    Churches, synagogues, religions,political parties,
    local authorities,banks, hospitals etc. etc.
    Can, or will, any of the aforementioned help if you have no money or are starving? In my case- NO! If I was a gypsy perhaps I might stand a chance – I don’t know…??

  • Dozsa

    So, suddenly there are dozens of new English language commenters all extolling Jobbik… how many of you are the same person? Following the BNP playbook for internet forum swarming, I suppose. You lot are even less than a bunch of opinionated tourists. You don’t even live here. As for controlling Hungarian banks… as far as I know, Jews are famous for having a sharp business sense. Hungarian banks? Not smart business.

  • fabian

    Dozsa@ Blah blah !– change is coming so get used to it.

  • Viking

    fabian,
    “change is coming so get used to it”
    Hmm, your nothing-saying 1-liner have obviously not changed.
    You are still here, so not that either.
    The weather was better than Sunday – Ahh, you made the weather better?
    Just remember – the clock is ticking.
    You know the first 50 days, the first 100 days.
    People expect actions and results.
    It will be harder to blame the Jews all the time now when you are part of the system.

  • salk51

    JD, the 12.8 trillion US $’s went mainly to CITIBANK, Goldman
    Sachs, and AIG (controlled by Rubin, Blankfein, and Greenberg). So
    these guys lost 10’s of trillions and we (taxpayor) have to pay them
    back? Fuck that. Let some small bank in China or central Iowa that
    loans responsibly takeover the bank; but they wont allow that. Only
    the new york bankster sheisters can control the money. My point is
    this: instead of trillions to the new york sheisters, give to a worthy
    institution- the Church. They will build schools and hospitals and
    feed the poor. They should try this in Hungary.

  • JD

    salk51, in part I agree that perhaps the money could be better spent stimulating the economy in other ways e.g. building etc. But there are other ways to build hospitals than giving to a religious group.
    However, these huge financial institutions were on the brink of collapse (and it makes no difference who owns or runs them). To let them fail would be unchartered territory that may have dwarfed what happened in the 30’s when they did let them fail.
    I don’t like what they did, but it was an option they took. I am not sure that anyone would want some small bank in China running the US economy, least of all because they don’t have the infrastructure to achieve this.
    What is key now is how the world governments will stop this happening again. I doubt they will. There are some people that feel that banks should be a utility, a safe place to store your money and not a glorified gambling institution. The gambling part should be an entirely separate entity which can be left to fail without bringing down the world economy. It’s not a bad idea but I doubt it will happen.
    Sure banks have huge influence on governments but this is nothing to do with religion and it serves no purpose to confuse the two.

  • JD:
    “this is nothing to do with religion and it serves no purpose to confuse the two.”
    It has everything to do with religion, the worship of money. “In money we trust”. Once people lose faith in the system, collapse will follow.
    Money has become a loose concept of value, and it lives in a virtual world. It’s either controlled by some evil conspiracy or it’s just out of control.

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  • JD

    Interesting viewpoint Godot. Never really considered the worship of money a religion but I can see why you might. Having said that I wouldn’t be going as far as the “evil conspiracy” thing.
    Even so, I would still say that it is divorced from the classic sense of religion e.g. Judaism, Christianity, Muslim etc etc.

  • John Simpson

    I thought Morvai looked pretty raunchy the other day when she was on the M1 breakfast program, but now I have found out that György Baló has been there my interest has waned considerably!

  • JD

    I think that’s a case of the little head ruling the big here you’ve got there John.

  • salk51

    JD! The insiders have made this claim that they needed to save Goldman sachs, aig, citi (all new york institutions of crime) in order to ‘save the world”. This is just a hustle. The New york banks lost (just like GM, Ford, Chrysler) yet they want the middle american taxpayor to rescue them. That is wrong and immoral. There are plenty of solid small banks in america and globally that acted responsibly. If the government wants to spend (steal) trilliions, what better institution is there than the christian chusrch? in the history of Man, no other has served Man so well. And I am an atheist. Instead, they give trillions to the new york street sheisters. This is really irrelevant to hungary, since hungary has normal budgetary restrictions. But who is responsible for hungary’s massive budget deficit? when the typical hungarian peasant has no debt and manages his affairs responsibly yet the government cannot? This country needs a hungary peasant as President. Could he do any worse?

  • JD

    Well I’m enclined to agree salk51 that even the most intellectually challenged individuals might be able to to a better job than the current government (yet Jobbik are probably THE most intellectually challenged individuals).
    As for the church, I’m not sure their history is whiter than white considering crusades, inquisitions and the numerous wars played out in their name.
    Was it right to give so much money to the banks? Who knows, we may never know what would have happened had they not.

  • salk5

    It’s not that “the banks were bailed out”. It is that 12.8 trillion US$ were GIVEN to the politically connected investment banks in new york (aig- hank greenberg, jpmorgan- diamon, citibank- rubin,

  • Viking

    salk5,
    Could you give some link to your claim about 12.8 trillion US$ GIVEN to certain banks?

  • Barack Obama

    Sal, Geithner is not a Jew, he is of German Christian origin…looks
    like there was even room for one of those in the Obama “cabal”

  • salk5

    Viking! 12.8 trillionUS$ is the well accepted amount donated to US financial system. Go to Bloomberg or Sulzbergers New york Times or Sammy boy Zells Tribune or Zuckermans US News for the “truth”. Geitner is jewish and actually so is his wife; he is a life long protege of Robert Rubin from Goldman/CITI and life long protge of Lawrence Summers ; his father worked for a marxist organization who actually hired obamas mother in the 1970’s for marxist work in asia and africa. Small world.

  • fabian

    Sorry but Geithner is Jewish !

  • JD

    And your point IS fabian?

  • fabian

    JD@it was not referred to you,I was simply correcting another persons mistake.

  • JD

    Oh I see, fair enough.

  • Pávaszem

    @salk41: “All of whom share a certain religion” It’s not religion… To call these bastards Jews is like calling the Bolsheviks Orthodox Christians. “These are the people that lost trillions yet they are receiving trillions from the US taxpayor” A huge chunk of which was immediately divvied up as personal bonuses! $165 million is just what we know about in the case of AIG alone. Can you believe the CHUTZPAH of these folks? And we haven’t even discussed Madoff yet. “Illegal?” How about Obama not being a US citizen for illegal? Death camps? Gitmo, black sites, Abu Ghraib may already qualify and they are concentration camps for sure. “[Their] hatred for christians…” and Muslims, *religion* in general as long as it’s not their relatives’ brand of Judaism.

  • Pávaszem

    @Erik: “organized helplessness…” LEARNED helplessness http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness is not ‘taught’ by the state taking care of public needs (do public schools or libraries promote helplessness?) but by indoctrinating us to believe that we are powerless, group 3 dogs basically. What you and Lacho write just reinforces this condition that has been an accomplished fact in Hungary since 1957 probably and 1968 for sure. When the Allies took over this zombie-slave camp in 89 they just continued to run it like they took over and continued to run the Nazi concentration camps after WWII. (Which is when these labor camps became death camps: James Bacque, Other Losses, etc.) “most elections are rather like gang wars… it makes a big difference for the gangs who wins, but for the people being (mis)ruled, not so much” 🙂 Are you saying it’s a waste of time to vote?
    @Lacho Calad: “their political strategy have always been governed by fear (of the people)” Right again. But then the victimizers such as the Zionists or the ex-Soviet apparat are always afraid of and hate their victims. “Subject[s]… docile animal[s]… A piece of meat to be consumed?” Cattle, ‘Obama fans…’ There are alternatives emerging though, yes?

  • Pávaszem

    @Dozsa: “not anti semitic but only anti-zionist” How could someone who stands up for the Palestinians be ‘anti-Semitic?’ “she turned right because she was booted from her job at the Hungarian UN delegation” Why don’t you tell us in a little more detail how and why she lost her job and who and how replaced her? “they are both in show business” If they really were in business they’d be in *Shoa business* where the big bucks are, yes? Did you by the way know that Dózsa is a
    Hungarist icon? But of course you didn’t. You don’t know Hungarian! Can’t even spell your own nick. Don’t know much about Hungary beyond your extremely limited brainwash but you preach at us anyway telling us how we should think and live. Your nerve is unbelievable.
    @fool’s truth: “Mossad would have other things to do, rather than dealing with a failing almost bankrupt country like Hungary” Easy prey. Why else would they have ‘bought us up?’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL4Cu-K17vE
    @C’est Moi: “Take one name and stick with it so we can follow you like any other tagged animal” Taking notes, eh? And then what? How do you plan to exterminate us ‘cockroaches?’

  • Pávaszem

    @wtf? “Do you people really think the Jews are trying to take over the world?” Yes. Are we not supposed to notice? “Do you really believe the Israelis are trying to take over Hungary?” Yes. Why should president Perez have lied about it? “It really seems to me we live in two different worlds” You bet. And living in your own world will prove to undo you as much as your hunger for power and greed. “it doesn’t matter what your religion is in order to get a job” If you want to flip hamburgers, sure, but try to get ahead in education or at any main stream medium and, if you’re not ‘Jewish,’ you’ll find out what numerus clausus really means. “when it comes to money for churches – you need not worry” If you’re Christian Zionist like Hitgyüli, sure. If you’re Catholic you’ll get creamed… “concerning death camps – don’t worry, it doesn’t happen in the modern world, just in countries that judge certain groups, and not individuals, like they should. If death camps will be built again, it would be only because of people like you!” Is that why Gitmo and all those black sites were built? ” media will report if something would stink (unlike here in Hungary). Politicians are held accountable for their actions!” :)))))))))))) “Your rhetoric sadly reminds me of the rhetoric used by the Nazis in the 30’s” What did the Nazis say that wasn’t true, du shtik fleish mit tzvei eigen?

  • Pávaszem

    @Komarno: “the bullshit she churns out on a regular basis” Such as?
    @NWO: “Tell me, what undeserved benefits am I missing out on as a Jew?” As a ‘Jew’ you don’t miss out on any undeserved benefits I am sure.

  • Viking

    Any takers that ‘Pávaszem’ is ‘Visitor’?

  • John Boy TKD

    Pávaszem – The world is not out to get Hungary; there are plenty of successful and wealthy non Jewish Hungarians; Isreal/Mossad could not give a fuck about Hungary. Why would they? Really, why would they give a shit? What has Hungary got that Mossad wants? Covert nuclear technology? Is Hungary a shelter for Hizbollah and Hamas? Come on man – get your shit together! Hungary’s problems are the result of years of Soviet communist oppression followed corrupt governments who tax the worker to oblivion to pay for badly planned projects. Instead of blaming Jews in Isreal look a bit closer to home at poor goverment policy which subsidises corruption and laziness of politicians. Was the biggest criminal in Hungary a Jew? I refer to Gyurscany of course. I am no soft hearted liberal, I do not support the maintanance of people through an unbalanced benefits system. But rather than looking everywhere else to find blame I would directly ask you what you would do to instigate positive change. On a final note, why the hell shouldn’t a Jewish person want to be successful? Why shouldn’t they be rich? Equal opportunities for all please. If you want us all to be on an equal level you need to move from extreme right to extreme left and go back to the glorious days of communism and outlawed religion.

  • Realist

    Fucknose Viking! you idiot! You come of with some stupid arguments…..

  • Viking

    Realist,
    Are we going to start this boring 1-liner BS war, or will you come with a rebuttal.
    Why do you keep changing aliases all the time?
    You feel ashamed of your writing?

  • JD

    Great comment John Boy TKD. Sums up so much of the nonsense that is happening over here and commented on on these forums.

  • Sophie

    Go Pávaszem! You throw the deftest of punches. The iconoclastic little dung-beetle ‘Dozsa’ is particularly well deserving of the one you landed on his nose.

  • Ricsi

    JohnboyTKD@ ‘what does mossad really want…?’simple,they are looking for an alternative homeland because they know the evil zionist state of Israel is reaching the end days,even Obama is beginning to turn his back (watch out for the assassins bullet)
    Why is Siofok called Zsidofok by locals??
    Sorry but most Jews are decent honest folk,but they are been led down the gutter by the rabid ultra-nationalist clique in Tel Aviv,thus were to run to when the going gets really tough soon?.

  • Viking

    ricsi,
    “Sorry but most Jews are decent honest folk,but they are been led down the gutter by the rabid ultra-nationalist clique in Tel Aviv,thus were to run to when the going gets really tough soon?.”
    Aahh some Jew-bashing is awaiting.
    Where can I sign up for my baseball bat, or do we use something more slower?

  • Ricsi

    Viking@Are all scandinavian’s so dumb,or are you just pretending? I said clearly ‘MOST jews are decent and honest…!’ Now if you want to buy a baseball bat that is your problem!
    Anyway I thought the Vikings only used axes not baseball bats LOL.

  • John Boy TKD

    Ricsi,
    Thanks for the explanation. And I am glad that you acknowledge that most Jews are decent hard working people. I in turn will acknowledge that the Isreali ruling elite has demonstrated it’s fair share of strange behaviour( very few nations have a clear conscience), and it should be hald fully accountable for it’s crimes by the UN security council. However, I do not see the link with Hungary. I know plenty of Jewish people – all fair minded, normal, want to get on in life. I have yet to meet a zionist.
    My main point though is that any form of extremism is dangerous on any level be that Christian / Nationalist / Zionist / Islamic – whatever. I am quite certain that any of the more extreme posters on this site had been born into a different religion or culture they would be putting forth equally poisonous arguments in favour of the other camp. There is no benefit to taking an extreme view, and if there is a Zionist movement, the agrument is won in intelligent debate supported by great ideas. Not hate filled rhetoric from an equally extreme opposite. As I have said in other posts, I know what is like to live in a country where guns and paramilitary control was prevelant. I can assure you all that you do not want to encourage extremism, as it is a bleak prospect and will destroy liberty, freedom of speech, and confine you to years of misery. I talk form real life experience.

  • Ricsi

    JohnBoyTKD@ I know all about the Irish situation and real terrorism,you are correct,it was nothing like this ‘al-quaeda’ bullshit put out by the UK today,it was really serious.
    I am not extremist and nor is Jobbik,just realist and,yes,nationalist.

  • John Boy TKD

    Ricsi,
    Glad to hear that you are supporting your country without resorting to extremist views. That is the kind of debate that needs to take place. Divergent opinions in intelligent discussion.
    May I ask though how you can support Jobbik in veiw of their association with Garda Magyar? Can the two be treated seperately? Or do you hold the veiw that the Jobbik policy (much of which seems sensible in theory) is strong enough to be supported on its own merits. For me, I just cant get away from the Jobbik / GM connection – and that is why I find them such a concern.
    Are you in any way concerned that they are showing extreme tendancies, or is this a price worth paying for their brand of nationalism?

  • Godot

    What is so “extreme” about the Hungarian Guard?
    Do you prefer Drunken Irish Football Hooligans?
    What about the IRA?

  • Sophie

    Godot, it is de rigeur that the Garda is ‘extreme’, don’t-you-know? That is the constant Anglo-media cant, despite the fact that nobody has managed to attribute a single even slightly questionable act to it. You know, I think our vapidly PC John Boy TKD actually thinks it is an IRA look-alike. Clearly, he knows nothing at all about anything in Hungary.

  • John Boy TKD

    Godot,
    The IRA and drunken Irish football hooligans are no friends of mine. Like I said before, they are respnsible for nothing but criminality, terrorism, extortion and murder. I do not support either, nor have I ever suggested that I do. They did nothing other than ruin a country!

  • Realist

    Magyar Garda haven’t harmed anyone!! Not a living soul!! They carry no weapons, they abide by morals and ethics. They are a national volunteer guard.

  • John Boy TKD

    Sohpie,
    Then what is good about the GM? Why does a sturdy political idea need a uniformed flag waving wing.
    I dont remember making a comparison between GM or the IRA? I did ask what they are for and why should I not be concerned about them. History tells us that uniformed wings of political parties are a bad thing.
    I asked questions and you simply made assumptions about my thinking. Please tell me what is so great about GM and why Jobbik need to be associated with them. Please also explain to me why they are an outlawed organisation and why this should not be the case – I am ready to be convinced.

  • Realist

    you too stubborn to be convinced, piss off!

  • JD

    Thank you again John Boy TKD for another lucid comment.
    I have seen Magyar Garda at close quarters and it left me very concerned. Even if they proport to not being extreme, they appeal to the lowest common denominator of society who are sometimes easily roused to behave in an extreme fashion.
    As clear, open and correct as your comments are, I am very sadly drawing the conclusion that this will not win the day. This extreme movement Garda and Jobbik by association, are unlikely to yield and listen to reason until they feel they have had there share of the limelight and control.
    Until that time, it could be a painful ride.

  • Ricsi

    JohnBoyTKD@Sorry for late reply,was busy here on the farm! MagyarGárda (MG not GM)are not usually observed within cities,no need for the Police are still efficient,but in the countryside they provide a valuable service in giving confidence of security to vulnerable old people,remote hamlets etc.. where the Police simply can not respond quickly to an incident.They also give pride and respect to a new generation who wish to join up,after taking an aptitude test and interview.
    NO Magyar Gárda as ever been convicted or arrested over any violent anti-Roma incident,indeed the discipline within ensures that any would be ‘provacateur’ is immediately thrown out.
    Did you witness the incredibly efficient MG cordon to on March 15th to guide Jobbik supporters away from trouble causers and onto our buses? I did,I was there.
    Do not fear MG ,fot you have nothing to fear,it is simply a form of expression of solidarity with
    tradition and for vulnerable folk.The members are proud to parade and wear a ‘uniform’ and happy to feel they at least are doing something for a better Hungary,as am I.

  • Viking

    John Boy TKD,
    I just assume you are from north of the border, so you may not be aware of that it is a connection between ‘Hungarian Nationalism’ as in HVIM (64 Counties Youth Org). They often had an Irish flag and some one dressed up as an IRA fighter in their marches.
    It goes back to the time when the IRA was born and the Hungarian uprising in 1848-49 was used a good example on how the Irish should rise against the British rule.
    After this it has been some good feelings/connections between Irish/IRA and ‘Hungarian Nationalists’.
    After the rise of Jobbik as the main ‘radical’ right-wing force HVIM has much disappeared from public view.
    The HVIM point was that like the IRA has successfully fought the British, the ethnic Hungarians in the 64 Counties (old Great Hungary) will fight the Romanians etc.

  • Sophie

    John Boy TKD, Ricsi has already answered the question you put to me. I endorse it in entirety. To add just one thing: If there were not an impeccable organisation like the Garda, and if it did not have a look about it that inhibits thugs, then Jobbik rallies and other Hungarian public activities would have been at the mercy of anti-democratic thugs, just like the democratically elected BNP MEPs are in the UK right now. The Garda is not an illegal organisation. I wonder what made you think it is?

  • Ricsi

    Viking@HVIM,IRA,Jobbik??? You really have been drinking too mush ‘Finlandia’ if you believe any connection here!

  • John Boy TKD

    All,
    It has been interesting and informative, but I must go to the pub.
    Sophie, although we are coming from different angles I have enjoyed your (largely) well formed arguments and you are clearly no fool.
    Realist – I will not piss off. Leave these arguments to Sophie and Risci. The are brave and clever enough to stand up and be counted, and can actually fight their corner with brains. It is the fact that we can all come from such different angles and hammer it out that allows this world to keep turning. And all views will finally find a meeting point. That is how successful society works. If you are in fact a realist go and get some real content in your argument and come to the debate.
    All it has been fun!

  • salk51

    Americas political elite: emmanuel, axelrod, geitner, bernhake, summers, orszag, nancy pelosi, barney frank, chuckie schumer, feldman, rattner, bloom, bair, hamburg. They all share one thing. So dont worry, they are getting “full opportunity” to prosper in America. But is this moral? fair? And could this happen in hungary thus depriving propserity to deserving others? The worlds financial elite (AIG, Goldman sachs, CITIBANK) lost trillions via their leaders (Greenberg, Blankfein, and Robert Rubin). But they are being restored(by the trillions) by their comrades in the political elite. Who is getting the shaft?

  • fabian

    Salk51@The ordinary tax payer,as usual!

  • su

    What is going on with all these European Rightist parties and their Israel ties? In Netherlands we have Geert Wilders, and in Britain Nick Griffin, both who spend All of their energy criticising Muslims and nobody else.

  • Sophie

    Su, I share your curiosity. I have no real insight, just a suspicion: I surmise that the Wilders/Griffin position is not Israel-tied. Rather, it is cynically strategic: Muslims in their countries are in the most visible immigrant group, and the most unpopular one. So taking a stand against Muslim immigrants attracts votes. It should also appeal to Jews (here’s the Israel tie), which in turn would ensure media access. (The latter did not happen, at least in the UK!) I’d like to know what you think.

  • Viking

    ricsi,
    I have written about the ‘connection’ with IRA before, but as I wrote I never have claimed that there were contacts. Pictures replaces many words so I was looking for some old pictures from HVIM remembering Trianon 2004. The pictures were at:
    http://www.hvim.hu/pic/trianon_040604/04.jpg
    http://www.hvim.hu/pic/trianon_040604/01.jpg
    The are of course dead now, but the 04 showed one of the marches dressed in military fatigue with a ski-mask and carrying an Irish flag.
    The 01 showed the guy after the cermony without ski-mask.
    There you have the ‘connection’ as I described before. I never ever have said ‘contacts’ because of that I know nothing.
    In my post you are referring to, I never used the word Jobbik, but everyone can go to HVIM’s web-site and find out what they write about Jobbik, Morvai and Csanad.

  • Gulliver

    Ricsi,
    You are making a big mistake.
    See you soon.

  • Civil Law

    @ Ricsi
    you must join forces with the Bloodpack, an elite team of vampire warriors :-))))))))

  • Ricsi

    Gulliver@Thanks for usual concern about my well being !

  • JanosTakács

    Let’s have another saga the length of this current
    thread on Jews, gypsies, American banks, Magyar Garda,Jobbik, Christians, and any other irrelevant bullshitting issue that you can all think up. What has any/all of this to do with ordinary Hungarians who are being sold down the river by the totally fucking useless MSZP government? If any of you think that things will get better under Fidesz or Jobbik rule – I suggest you think again. Hungary has become a shit-heap not only for the “waste” the Germans continue to dump here but for every lunatic and misguided dunderhead that care to post their third-year student balderdash, here and, et al.

  • salk51

    Janos! The themes are universal and so an international perspective
    needs to be integrated. The West has been in decline for decades;
    the West has seen little real growth to their economies since 1980.
    Why? The government is stealing the fruits of ones labor (taxation)
    and wasting these precious resources. So these leaves politics and
    outright criminal activity to thrive. Limit government expenditure
    to 5% of the economy. Remove all income tax and business tax.
    Free markets for Free Men. Instead government controls nearly
    every aspect of this economy. Now property taxes; this is just the
    beginning. The average hungarian does not realize that property
    taxation will soon be 2%. This means that a large % of hungarians
    will not be able to afford the tax on their homes! And thus they will
    be evicted. Make no mistake, this is a measure to remove
    hungarians from their homes.

  • Viking

    salk51,
    You missed to point out that the so called “Swine Flu” is especially targeted against Hungarians.
    It must be, a people who eats so much pork, as Hungarians, is of course the target of this international conspiracy against Hungarians.
    As you write the property tax is just there to evict all Hungarians from their homes, so they will be forced to live with the Roma in their shacks in the north-eastern part of Hungary.
    And with the Swine Flu the Hungarians need to kill their pigs and cannot eat any pork meat forever.
    Clearly the Hungarian Way Of Life is under strong threat.
    No, dissolve the EU, call home all real Hungarian Patriots like all the ‘salk*’, take back the pre-Trianon areas with a swift attack of a combined force of Hungarian Gendarmerie and the Magyar Garda.
    Do this and Hungary’s future will be bright again and Hungarians will be feared all over the world as the true rulers in direct line of the Atlantis.

  • John Boy TKD

    Salk 51, I am totally in favour of lowering taxation . But lets just address some facts – Hungarians have a current tax wedge of 54%. This will reduce to 46% with reductions in income tax and the solidarity tax. This will be replaced by a wealth tax, and an increase in VAT. The property tax will apply to properties higher in value than 30 million HUF. Most Hungarians wont have to pay it. Most Israeli’s will have to pay it. I agree, lowering tax is always better, but your supporting facts are a little misguided.

  • Curious Joe

    Currently it is for 30 million forint, once this is introduced in no time they will apply it to all property, this is just a honeymoon period for the liars, thieves the corrupt Bajnai gang, don’t forget these guys are Corrupt bastards. We don’t need more taxes we require better management. They need to be ousted and jailed, made an example of.

  • Avar

    Stupid ignaramouse Viking just stirring lies like usual exagerating all the facts like a typical low life scum.. You going behind bars also once real Justice is put in place.

  • Viking

    Avar,
    “You going behind bars also once real Justice is put in place”
    Thanks, you are just proving my point that Free Speech is just for you guys and when you guys come to power, that will be history.
    Just a bunch of cowards, that cannot stand an argument.

  • fabian

    Viking@You have fallen into the trap of a typical provacateur,making an inflammatory statement against you to make you bitter–that ‘Avar’ comment is in no way from a Jobbik member,of that I am sure.Our pathetic enemies will resort to the lowest of tricks to try to discredit us.You and I may not agree always,but you have no reason to fear us,somebody else is playing on your fears.We know who they are mostly.

  • salk9

    The Hungarian should enact a constitutional amendment that forbids taxing of property. the taxing of property means: you can never truly own your property! Never. The tax on all real estate will eventually be 2%. and this was expected by the marketplace: budapest real estate has declined by 5%/year since 2004. Will property tax help bolster your home values? No way. When an old senior citizen cannot pay her real estate tax in the USA she is evicted by the Socialist. They are trying to shake-down and shake-out hungarians from their homes; especially in zones 1,2, and 12. Seniors dont have to pay the tax? Really? their heirs must pay this tax to claim their parents home. If you own a 100 million forint home, you will have to soon pay 2 milliion forint/year just to live in your own home! Thats rent paid to the socialist government.

  • Pávaszem

    John Boy TKD, “world is not out to get Hungary” The world is out to get whatever it can. ExxonMobil already has our energy, Israelis control our real estate, dump toxic waste on us, feed us spoilt food and turn us into the ‘Bangkok of Europe.’ Their/THE/allies vilify us in propaganda campaigns more vicious (and a whole lot less true) than Goebbels ever devised against them. “Isreal/Mossad could not give a fuck about Hungary. Why would they? Really, why would they give a shit?” For the same reasons they ‘give a shit’ about Georgia or Palestine. “What has Hungary got that Mossad wants?” Real estate in a strategically important location, huge natural gas deposits, we’re the Kuwait of Europe. “Was the biggest criminal in Hungary a Jew?” Yes. Kun, Szamuelly, Péter Gábor and Rákosi were all ‘Jews.’ “why the hell shouldn’t a Jewish person want to be successful? Why shouldn’t they be rich? Equal opportunities for all please” Like the Palestinians have equal opportunities? What equivalents of ‘holocaust denial’ do you know of? What other nations get billions of US and European taxpayer money? What other people are we compelled to like by law? Who else is above the law in every commercial and legal respect? “go back to the glorious days of communism and outlawed religion” The Anglosphere and Marxism are not the only two choices. They, it, you,just won the last war.

  • Pávaszem

    John Boy TKD (cont.) “I am glad that you acknowledge that most Jews are decent hard working people” MOST PEOPLE period are decent. (Well, not really…) But why do we only have to ‘acknowledge’ this about ‘Jews’ How about Estonians? Why doesn’t the need ever arise to acknowledge that Estonians are cool? “if there is a Zionist movement, the agrument is won in intelligent debate supported by great ideas” No shit. You mean the Palestinian are exterminated because they can’t come up with any persuasive arguments? How about having the same right to live as the Zionists that grab their land and lives? “I talk form real life experience” I bet you do. But if Ireland is such a nirvana why are you in Hungary? And why do your people back home drink themselves into oblivion every day? “Please also explain to me why they are an outlawed organisation” For the same reason ‘denying the holocaust’ is outlawed. It embarrasses the powers that be 😉

  • grizzly

    It is quite puzzling that the jobbik candidate,
    a known jew-basher ,actually came to it because
    of some “domestic-shortcomings”. Now history knows a number of cases like this.
    I believe she actually is trying so hard to establish her as strongly anti-jewish that it is already worrying,yes actually suspisous.
    Only “turn-coats” act like this. The Zionists
    planted her among us. She has to go. She is not reliable.

  • sigmund

    oh yes, Sigmund Freud would have taken Morvais case. Diagnosis:”meschuggene” untreatable.

  • Knowing

    Here is what Pat mentioned the lowest form of character assassination by the Jews..

  • Godot

    Where is this anti-Morvai flood comes from?
    Many similar posts in a short period of time, under various aliases. Who are you and what is it you really want? C’mon, speak up!

  • Viking

    Knowing,
    Of course and how grateful I am that no one ever on this web site has ever tried to speak bad about me.
    If you really want to see a real Jewish “lowest form of character assassination” then I suggest you hop over to (http://h2oreuse.blogspot.com/2008/07/nacivadasz-hunter-of-nazis-blog.html).
    This is what he has to say:
    “Many of them are full or half Jews (as Shody pictured above), half Gypsies or half Schwab (Hungarian Folk Germans), and without exception, all seem to be failures and dropouts”

  • europe

    European parlamentarians be on alert.
    Krisztina Morvai is coming to strassbourgh.
    She is very much critical of “short” male testicles and she understands in measurements.
    She is a professor of law from our loved hungary
    where we have no other problems……
    So keep your pants up. the magyar doctor is coming….

  • Godot

    Where is this anti-Morvai flood comes from?
    Many similar posts in a short period of time, under various aliases. Who are you and what is it you really want? C’mon, speak up!

  • Viking

    Godot,
    Maybe they have taken inspiration from this question to Morvai:
    ‘”What about your husband, György Baló? Among the radical right, he would typically be considered “one of their kind”. In those circles they’re always talking about who might be an agent.”‘
    (http://www.hetivalasz.com/article/0905/i_am_not_a_member_of_the_hungarian_guard)

  • salk99

    Pavaszem! I just read about Tibor Szamuelly thanks to your post. Now I know where the gestapo learned their techniques. This is a sick people that knows no limits to power and hate. I anticipated obama would deliver total control to them financially. I fear that the christian will be placed into their death camp once again. If the world knew about kun, szamuelly, rakozsi, satlin, bera, malotov we could be in a safer place.

  • Istvan

    I can’t believe there are idiots this big in this world. You just have to look around you, you dumb fucks, and see that Hungarians in Romania, Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia and elsewhere are still Hungarian, and they should be Hungarian and not Romanian, Serbian, Croatian or Slovenian, because that adds to the cultural tapestry of the region, the cultural inheritance, the funny shit that makes life interesting and varied. Of course, why do I suspect your response will be, these are traditional Hungarian lands. How about traditional Austrian lands claimed, how about all the fucking “traditional lands” that everyone claims around Europe because at some point during the last 2000 years, they had a territory conquered? Hungarians didn’t cease to be Hungarian while the Austrians were around, so who the fuck gives you the right to decide what is right or wrong for a people? Instead of fuelling your own insecurities by becoming a bigot, go and do something with your life, make your people proud. Otherwise, go join the Taliban and live out your fantasy to the fullest. Now, go ahead and suck on my hungarian salami, you fuckers!

  • Jim

    I love the Nazis that come on and bitch: They would like you to forget that Jews and Roma were in Hungary BEFORE the Christians.
    Whoops. Incovenient facts.
    The biggest criminals in Hungarian History were Jews? Sort of strange when you consider the Arrow Cross…
    Its amazing. These dumb Nazi fucks always think they’re better than everyone and always lose. If Jews really ran things and these morons were so superior, wouldn’t that make them leading things?
    As far as what countries get billions in aid annually from the US, Egypt gets as much money now as Israel, although less per capita. That the dumb right-wingers are busy blaming Gypsies and Jews in Hungary is particularly common to history: They blamed Jews for the Soviet Occupation: No, the Nazis were responsible for Soviet Occupation primarily, at least, its legitimacy in the eyes of many.
    Nazism lost and will continue to lose when it rears its ugly head; its an ideology of people with an inferiority complex; real nationalism ignores ethnicity as the sole prereque for culture; all Great Nations in history have never been ethnically homogeneous and never will. A real culture worth saving perpetuates itself by being appealing. All chavanistic cultures end up committing national suicide and are displaced by tolerant ones that keep the human race advancing. Ethno-centricisty is degeneracy as it rewards inbreeding only.
    You nazis are subhuman, degenerate wastes of life.

  • Ricsi

    Jim–calm down man,their are no Nazi’s in Hungary and never have been! A Nazi by definition is/was a member of the NSDAP (National Socialst German Workers Party) or Nazi in short form German version.
    To my knowledge this party ceased in 1945 and is still banned in its homeland–thus you use a totally incorrect term to describe right wing Hungarians just as your Jew friends use ‘anti-semitic’ incorrectly every time someone criticises them or points out zionist crimes.The original semites are Arabs and the original jews,I have nothing against Arabs (by far the majority) so how can I be anti-semite??
    Zionism has appropriated the term Nazi to degrade anybody it dislikes in the same way they appropriated ‘anti-semitism’ to imply anti-jewishness and invoke ‘holocaust’ sympathy.
    You are a willing follower of this word game hypocrisy .

  • their are no Nazi’s in Hungary and never have been!
    Ricsi at August 28, 2009 7:07 AM
    —-
    OK but what would you then call the ‘Hungarian Nationalists’ that greeted the Nazi-German occupation of Hungary with joy in the end of the WWII and voluntarily joined Waffen-SS?
    ‘Hungarian Freedom Fighters and Patriots’?
    You have already removed the possibility to call them ‘Nazis’, so what is left?

  • Ricsi

    Viking-Just to repeat myself for it obviously did not sink in to your skull ! ‘NAZI’ is short for National Socialist German Workers Party(In German the Nazi is the short form) which ceased to exist in May 1945. Those Hungarians you refer to where ArrowCross members of Szilási’s fascist movement(modelled on Mussolini’s party)the SS units where either of ethnic Germans (could be associate party members) or Hungarian volunteers (not Nazi party members).
    So back to 2009,by definition there can be no Nazi members in Europe today any more than any anti-semites (been that the real semites are mostly Arabs) Clear? I know you will come back with some pathetic retort for my answer does not fit your anti-right wing,anti-Hungary agenda.But do not bother for I am busy now.
    Good Bye,love from Russia
    Good Bye

  • Sophist

    Risci,
    “The original semites are Arabs and the original jews,I have nothing against Arabs (by far the majority) so how can I be anti-semite??”
    Can you find a dictionary of English which defines “Anti-Semitism” in terms of Semites or Arabs rather than Jews? I couldn’t. The English language isn’t logically constructed, and to pretend that it is, is itself a “word game”.

  • Sophist

    Ricsi,
    “Can you find a dictionary of English which defines “Anti-Semitism” in terms of Semites or Arabs rather than Jews?”
    I wouldn’t bother looking: apparently the word was coined to mean anti-Jew:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism#Evolution_of_usage_as_a_term

  • C’est moi

    Ahhhh Richy, good to have to back, you festering cum puddle. Your 6 months of dog-fucking, rather than posting, have sadly done little to raise the level of your intellect. Who am I kidding, everyone know you were just posting under another id.

  • Ricsi

    cestmoi–your usual intellectual response I see.

  • Ricsi

    Sophist–dont tell me about the ‘evolution of usage’-that is exactly my point-it evolved to mean anti-jew,but it actually originates from semite,same as ‘Nazi’ evolved from the NSDAP to now be used derogatorily against any non-zionist or right winger. You just confirmed my point,thanks.

  • Nationalist

    @Ricsi
    Thanks for highlighting the truth! As always the vermin come out from the sewers when you state the facts. Interesting how a word can be changed to suit a terrorist agenda set by the establishment. This is a fine example of highlighting deception through our history. As they say lies require laws to protect them while truth can stand alone.

  • Those Hungarians you refer to where ArrowCross members of Szilási’s fascist movement(modelled on Mussolini’s party)the SS units where either of ethnic Germans (could be associate party members) or Hungarian volunteers (not Nazi party members)
    Ricsi at August 28, 2009 11:12 AM
    —-
    OK, we play your game then:
    1) It is wrong to call anyone a ‘Nazi’
    2) It is OK to call anyone a ‘Fascist’
    Did I get it right?
    We all know that one of the 4 arrested in Debrecen for the Roma-killings is one of the following persons below:

    One of the most notable instances in which continuing Smallholders’ support for skinhead youths was exposed occurred on January 6, 1995, when two young men broke into a synagogue in Debrecen on January 6 and set the tabernacle on fire, burning the torah inside. These two young men were the nineteen-year-old president of “The Alliance of Comrades-in-Arms of the Eastern Front” (Keleti Arcvonal Bajtársi Szövetség – henceforth KABS) and another sixteen-year-old member of that organization. In police custody, the teenagers admitted that the attack had been motivated by anti-Semitism. The name of this organization is identical to that of an ultra-nationalistic, fascist organization that operated in Hungary during the second world war, and the group incorporated traditional ultra-nationalist symbols into the coat of arms they adopted as their registered emblem.

    So Fascists or Hungarian Nationalists?

    Is not Magyar Garda modelled on Mussolini’s BlackShirts?

  • C’est moi

    Richy, you only reap what you sow. What is the point of an intellectual post when you neolithic animals would never understand. It would be as useful as teaching my dog calculus.

  • C’est moi

    They must love him around the temple. “Hey Sholmo, what’s with that fakakta shikse you’re with, oy vey.”

  • Ricsi

    Viking-for the sake of boredom I will reply again–Yet again you change the subject,you dropped the debate about ‘Nazis’ and anti-semites and now want to talk about fascists!those aresholes from Debrecen are in no way connected to this article,nor are they ‘facsists’ or ‘Hungarian Nationalists’ Indeed I would go so far as to say that by their actions (if guilty) they have done nothing but harm for real Hungarian patriots,though of course that supports your agenda perfectly!Cuo Bono ??
    And no,the Gárda is modelled on the old Hungarian rural dress (sorry it also happens to be black!)but if it implies order and discipline,why not? Are not most Police uniforms Black or at least dark blue?
    As for CestMoi–WTF? on drugs again boy?

  • Ricsi,
    No, I did not drop the debate on ”Nazis’ and anti-semites’, then the latter part I was never involved in and the first part I did continue with.
    I just find your definitions of a ‘Nazi’ a bit amusing and intellectual challenging.
    – You make a big fuss about the label ‘Nazi’, but has no problem with the label ‘Fascist’.
    OK, that is your problem.

    One thing that differed the German ‘Nazis’ and the Italian ‘Fascists’ was their view on Jews and the ‘Final Solution’ connected to them.
    The Italian ‘Fascists’ basically never shared the typical German ‘Nazi’ view, so what can then be more correct to call ‘Hungarian Fascist’ who definitely and very eager shared the German ‘Nazis’ hate towards Jews, for ‘Nazis’?
    In mind and effort the ‘Hungarian Fascists’ were closer to the Germans than the Italians, so ‘Nazi’ ideology was what bound the Hungarians to the Germans. The Hungarians did a good work to round up as many Jews as possible, just so the Germans did not need to bother

  • Sophist

    Ricsi,
    “You just confirmed my point,thanks.”
    No, I didn’t. Your point is apparently ‘doubly flawed’:
    “The argument is sometimes put forward that the Arabs and their friends, in opposing Israel or Zionism, cannot be anti-Semitic because the Arabs themselves are Semites. This argument is doubly flawed. First, the term Semite has no meaning as applied to groups as heterogeneous as the Arabs or Jews, and indeed it could be argued that the use of such terms is in itself a sign of racialism. Secondly, anti-Semitism has never anywhere been concerned with anyone but Jews”
    http://middleeastinfo.org/library/lewis_antisemitism.html

  • Nationalist

    That website seems quite obvious it was arranged by the establishment , anyone on there forum who questions the site is also targeted by the establishment, its a crook of shit..

  • Nationalist

    the author of the article bernard lewis was Born to middle-class Jewish parents in Stoke Newington, London,
    This parasite is part of the brain washing agenda of the establishment.

  • Nationalist

    Bernard Lewis
    A genocide denier is a genocide denier no matter what their nationality,religion, or ethnicity. I don’t see any difference between Bernard’s Lewis and his denial of the Armenian Genocide as a genocide .It is clear that the financial support that he has received from Turkey has perverted his scholarship.Any reputable genocide historian accepts that both the Armenian Genocide and the Holocaust were systematically planned campaigns of mass murder focused on eliminating a particular minority .There are many fair Jewish historians that strongly accept the Armenian Genocide as a genocide including Elie Wiesel.Bernard Lewis is wrong on many topics.

  • C’est moi

    Nationalist, you knucklehead, is the man keeping you down? Which side here is the establishment? Who is doing the targeting? And if you didnt know, no one makes you visit this site.

  • Nationalist
  • Ricsi

    Nationalist-thanks for the support,but give it up mate! we are dealing with idiots suffering from tunnel vision and working to one agenda-no problem,the fact that they swamp this site proves they are rattled and scared,they know the truth is been revealed daily but can only attack like the hypocrites they are–persevere wherever you are.
    Szebb jövőt

  • Ricsi,
    I notice that you did not answer the question of Hungarian Jew-hating Fascists should be called ‘Nazis’ or ‘Nationalists’.
    I assume you think the latter, it is just read what ‘Nationalists’ is writing.
    This fixation on Jews is something that will always blind you guys from doing any real progress, so keep up the ‘good work’.

  • Sophist

    Ricsi,
    I enjoyed the short deter into the reliability of Bernard Lewis. I’m lazy, so my main motive for quoting another writer is because he has already made the point I want to make.
    But’s try to finish this: can you find a scholar, any scholar, arguing that Antisemitism means anti-arab?

  • Ricsi

    Viking–Duhh? ‘Hungarian jew hating fascists’ should be called fascists! But yet again you want to play the ‘nazi’ game.
    We are not the ones ‘blind’,our eyes are wide open.

  • Ricsi

    Sophist–I never took any notice of your Bernard Lewis comment,believe me there is more than one of us here.
    I did not say that anti-semite is anti-Arab,I clearly said that the ‘semite’ name as been hijacked by our zionist friends to justify all their actions and attack anyone who disagrees.You agreed when you pointed out the ‘evolution’ of this to mean anti-jew.
    Are or are not the vast majority of semitic peoples the Arabs? Answer that and you have answered your own question.

  • Sophist

    Ricsi,
    “I did not say that anti-semite is anti-Arab,”
    Maybe you didn’t “say” it, but you did imply it:
    “I have nothing against Arabs (by far the majority) so how can I be anti-semite??”
    Incidently, according to some anti-Semitism does imply hatred of Arabs, but antisemitism doesn’t.
    http://sicsa.huji.ac.il/hyphen.htm
    And I thought it was all abot haircare.

  • Pávaszem

    S.Ph., “medical checks are not part of…” There are worse things than medical checks, my dear Sophist such as slavery or being forced into prostitution. Even if you are legally in the UK the Worker Registration Scheme sucks as it is openly admitted ( NIHRC Chief Commissioner Monica McWilliams commented: “The Human Rights Commission has found that its effects can lead to violations of the right to life and the right to be free from inhuman and degrading treatment. The Worker Registration Scheme is due to end and the Commission urges government not to extend it.” http://bit.ly/ofd02 ) and with an extremely few exceptions Hungarians are simply not allowed to become citizens in ‘Great’ Britain. And now with the advent of the Tescos and Andrew Hunters we’re often treated in our own country like we’re treated in th UK: ¡Ay carajo! “The Guardian Angels do not have an nationalist agenda” Which is irrelevant. Their anti-crime stance is what matters. “there was this post ‘We need a Hungarian Perón…'” Why, are you running a sweatshop on the side that you are afraid would be nationalized? 🙂

  • Pávaszem

    Ricsi, “‘Nazi’… now be used derogatorily against any non-zionist or right winger…” or Soup Nazi… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJyGJQx2Fgk 🙂
    @S. Ph.: Word Games aside the Ashkenazim are neither Semites nor descendants of the biblical Hebrews, are they? Zionists are national socialist though, wouldn’t you agree? “the word was coined to mean anti-Jew” Brought to you by the same folks that coined ‘holocaust,’ ‘racism,’ etc. nec plus ultras of demagogy.
    @the Lapp Reindeer Fan: “Nazi-German occupation of Hungary” There was no German occupation. Rump Hungary was dislodged from the UK’s grip for which we should be grateful. Such a pity it didn’t last for more than a few months… “with joy… voluntarily joined Waffen-SS?” And so did the Swedes: 5th SS-Panzer Division Wiking, 11th SS-Panzergrenadier Division Nordland: congrats, Lapp 🙂 since the SS was much like the French foreign legion except every nation had its own division (SS „Charlemagne“ (French), http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/Dutch-SS.jpg, etc.) “Semites…” The only Semites in Europe are the Maltese and the Gábor Gypsies in Erdély (pretty decent folk) “Is not Magyar Garda modelled on Mussolini’s BlackShirts?” No, it actually knocks off the US Guardian Angels ( Angyalgárda 🙂 which is all kosher as far as I know…

  • Pávaszem

    @the Lapp Reindeer Fan: “fixation on Jews… blind you guys from doing any real progress” This ‘fixation on Jews’ is due to their weight, political power, the fact that they own or dominate everything worth owning or dominating in Hungary and elsewhere (the banks, the media, etc.)and the fact that they are very hostile to us, QED… When you urge us to ignore them you’re telling us to clean house and ignore that it is burning. You do that.
    @What exactly are you saying ‘István’ ( say ‘ah’ Pityuka 😉 besides propositioning us, you little fagot? And why doesn’t the Taliban ‘make life interesting and varied?’
    @Jim: “Jews and Roma were in Hungary BEFORE the Christians. Whoops. Incovenient facts.” :))))) NO SHIT! Seriously, where did you get this crock? “Egypt gets as much money now as Israel” O RLY! How much do they get? And how much does Israel get from the US and the EU every year? Nazis were responsible for Soviet Occupation Wow! Aren’t you full of surprises! How is that? “A real culture worth saving perpetuates itself by being appealing” Such as? “All chavanistic cultures end up committing national suicide and are displaced by tolerant ones that keep the human race advancing” Such as Israel? “You nazis are subhuman” 😮 Wow: SUBHUMAN! You sound like a Nazi, Jimbo: Shame, shame! (What kind of shit for brain human trash is floating into Hungary these days anyway?)

  • Sophist

    Psz,
    “the Ashkenazim are neither Semites nor descendants of the biblical Hebrews, are they?”
    Interesting point, Ernest Renan, who was an early proponent of Semitic inferiority, thought “that the Jews of our age are not Semites, but modern men”. So anti-Semitic, but not in a way that entaials him being antisemitic. He was also antisemitic, but because of the “moral ideal” of jews rather than their race.
    http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=1603&letter=A#4621
    “Zionists are national socialist though, wouldn’t you agree?”
    Not sure exactly what you mean by “national socialist” or how far you want to extend “Zionists”, even limiting it the “international political movement that originally supported the reestablishment of a homeland for the Jewish People”, it involved a liberal wing “advocating free market principles, democracy and adherence to human rights” (wiki) which certianly aren’t part of any national socialist program I’m aware of.
    What’s your difference between Fascism and National Socialism?

  • Pávaszem

    @Sophist: “Renan” Forget ‘anti.’ Read Koestler’s Thirteenth Tribe or Shlomo Sand’s The Invention of the Jewish People (Verso Books, 2009) Or, if you insist on (shoveling) anti, tell me why the Kikes are so universally despised wherever they go. “how far… extend “Zionists”” OK, you got me: the political system of Israel is National Socialist, OK? Do you agree with that? “What’s your difference between Fascism and National Socialism?” Fascist states are defined by their corporatism, their governments are of, by and for their corporations. Their ‘governed’ are disposable, helots, cattle. The US is a typical fascist state. A National Socialist government is for the people first and foremost that trust it and support it. Israel is a typical Nazi state. Since Fascists and Nazis are both totalitarian and regimented they are often confused to be variations of one another like Social Democrat and Communist.

  • I do not know what was the purpose of refreshing this line but I had to chuckle at this desperate attempt to take a swipe at Jobbik and Dr. Morvai just a few days before the EP election. It did not work. Jobbik got nearly 15%.
    It is no surprise to any Jobbik supporter that Dr. Morvai’s husband, György Baló is a Jew. What of it? Are these racist Jews saying that all Jews are the same and bad? If it is no problem for Jobbik, why is it a problem for the lowest and dirtiest of Jews at Political Pest? Why bring this smut to politics.hu?

  • C’est Moi

    Somethings are better left to go away

  • If it is no problem for Jobbik, why is it a problem for the lowest and dirtiest of Jews at Political Pest?
    Mark at January 4, 2010 8:38 AM

    You conveniently ‘forget’ that the hardest critic against Morvai’s choice of husband comes from yourt friends on kuruc.info.
    This ‘jewish-connection’ was seen as a problem and a possible proof that Jobbik is just a Mossad front.
    Well, the loonies are in your corner, you can find them posting on this issue on StormFront also.

    For more normal people it is of course given Morvai’s strong anti-Jewish comments (no anti-Zionism there) and here children are mixed ‘Jewish (if you believe Jews belong to a specific race and not a religion)’, this of course was a ‘raising of the eyebrows’.
    As a parent one can just ask what Mother Morvai’s open anti-Jewishness does to her children and the children’s connection to their Father.
    I always had a hard time to take away the feeling that all Morvai’s anti-Jew speak is part of a marrigae row and future custody battle.
    She is a complicated woman obviously.

  • olga

    @ C’est Moi
    I am glad this thread was resurrected because I was not around “way back then” and it was interesting read. – (JOBBIK leaders Mossad agents? Surely they could have done better)
    Too bad JD and a few others are gone.
    About Ms. Morvai – I was completely shocked at the crude remarks she made about Jewish men. Not because she is a woman – I would be equally shocked if the comments were made by a man because such comments are completely inappropriate for someone running for political office. Period.
    Assuming that politicians are judged by their comments on the world’s stage, these comments must have been picked up by the International Media for “entertainment purposes” – Hungary must have been the laughing stock around the dinner tables world-wide.
    She demonstrated very poor judgment – not a desirable trait in a politician. I would not care what political party she ran for but I would not trust any party that would want to be associated with her.
    On the other hand, JOBBIK’s Image Consultants could have encouraged this type of behaviour because it would appeal to its followers. I have no doubt that the Oszkar Molnars of Hungary would be impressed and so would every MG member. So would the Jerry Springer talent scouts.
    On a personal level, I feel sorry for her daughters who don’t deserve to be humiliated. It would be humiliating even if their Dad was not Jewish and they were not 1/2 Jewish. Under the circumstances it’s very sad for those kids.

  • Regarding Dr. Morvai’s retort to the Jews who were harassing her on the Deák Ferenc Civic Forum website, some clowns like to make a big thing of her retort without considering the filth those “fine and sensitive Jewish gentlemen” shoved in her direction before she gave them the response they hoped. I could not find the list. It is probably a closed list and we are only getting the stuff that her detractors want us to see.

  • @Mark: How do you explain away Morvai giving the finger to police outside the Parliament building? In circumstances where she is clearly not being provoked, but is encouraging others to follow her lead – clearly enjoying all the attention she draws to herself.

  • olga

    @ Mark
    Please don’t make excuses for this woman. She is totally unprofessional and should be an embarrassment to any “normal” political party . Not to mention her children.
    I don’t want to be reminded that Canada or the USA is not Hungary – but I certainly hope this kind of language is not representative of Hungarian lawyers and/or politicians. BTW, I am not familiar with European politicians and their speeches but please let me know if you know of an OTHER European politician who ever used this type of language.
    Moreover, people are responsible for their statements. “They made me do it” is not acceptable
    This woman is a lawyer?? Picture her in court when she does not like what the opposition says. If anyone should know and have formal training in how not to lose her cool, it should be her.
    You directed me to a website once. There was her picture in the middle (pearls and all, looking every ounce a professional) with Vona unshaven on one side and another man in an ill fitting suit.- on her other side.
    That picture led me to believe JOBBIK has Image Consultants. (I am purposely not going to elaborate on their “target group”. I have been around Image Consultants advising a politician how to appeal to his target. It was quite an eye opener)
    What would she have to do in order for you to be disgusted with her behaviour? (Not asking you to be disgusted with JOBBIK philosophy. I don’t believe in miracles)

  • justasking

    OOOhhh, she flipped the cops a “birdie”, she should be shot a pissed on for that one.
    If I really hated a group of people, I would not be sleeping with a man for said group, no matter how handsome he was. Let alone have his children. If anything, this just goes to show that she really is not anti-Jews and the media is spinning tales. Think about it, would any of you sleep/ have kids with someone you hated? Of course not, because there is a reason you hate that group and I would guess, the last thing on ones mind would be secretly fanticising about that person being naked. Kapeesh! Mind you, I could be wrong, there are some freaks out there I suppose.
    @Olga;
    Good grief you can be such a prude! What, you never swore out of frustration or anger? Well, I have! Hell. I swear sometime just for effect for Gods sake. Stop making it out that you are some kind of gentle, loving soul who runs in field of daisies for the sheer joy of it and has her car powered from the laughter of children. Christ, the way you try to comes across, you could’nt pass a peanut. Get over yourself and finally start being real.

  • olga

    @ justasking
    you will be pleased to know that I have a really foul mouth. I make a decision of when, where and under what circumstances I use foul language. Mostly with people I am comfortable with – relieves tension, saves a lot of extra words. I use “f..ing moron” a lot in my head when I read some postings but I choose not to type those words and call people names.
    For me, foul language is not acceptable at work and I don’t use it when I am “anonymous” like I am on this thread.
    Than you for sharing info about who you would and would not sleep with. Fascinating stuff
    Only slightly less fascinating than Ms. Morvai’s clinical observations on the size of the male anatomy.
    A class act to be sure. A calculated move to impress the JOBBIK audience. The woman is not stupid – Her followers don’t give a shit about International opinions and for her, votes supersede her kids’ feelings.

  • justasking

    @ Olgie;
    No your right , and in my next life, I’ll want to be as perfect as you. Maybe you should help Dr. Morvai and offer yourself as an Image Consultant, since you have so much experience with them?
    It’ really easy to sit back and judge a person when you know shit about what she is about, what she stands for, what she is up against every single day. You think you do.
    As for her “clinical observation”, what of it? Sure did shut them assholes up though did’nt it? I’m all for going for the jugular if the situation calls for it, good on her.

  • @Olga
    I read justasking’s response to you and your response to justasking. It is obvious that you have made up your mind to look for the worse in Jobbik and Magyar Garda and if you do not find it, you invent it in your mind. I believe that nothing I could say would make a difference to you. Some of the derogatory statements about Dr. Morvai, Jobbik and Magyar Garda astound me, not that I do not read these often enough from Hungarian haters but never from people of your background. Think for one minute of the sacrifices Law and Ricsi had to make to claim their Hungarian heritage.
    I told you before that these people cannot get to me but I expected better from you after what you told us about your background and your patriotic parents. It saddens me every time you malign the fine Hungarians who want nothing more or less than a country of their own and a better life for themselves, their children and their people.
    I wish I could find that list and see the insults these “fine sensitive Jewish gentlemen” subjected Dr. Morvai before she gave them the response they hoped. No one could provide the link and I have to question everything in the lead article. Just read the slanderous and libelous title of the article. They would face a civil suit and would probably lose a jury trial if they made these or similar accusations in America.
    You must know close to nothing about Jobbik and Magyar Garda to smear them as you do. I would not waste my time to tell you about Dr. Morvai’s outstanding qualifications or all the great work Magyar Garda does because it would be wasted on you. I would ask you to think about this; not all Hungarians are Jobbik and Magyar Garda supporters but most of the Hungarians respect Jobbik and the Magyar Garda for the sacrifices they make for Hungary. When the Communist MSZP/SZDSZ government sends out the police to abuse the Magyar Garda, all decent Hungarians are offended. Hungarians are tired of our people being abused by the Communist murderers and torturers. The anger over the abuse of our people cuts across party lines. When the Communists abuse Jobbik and the Magyar Garda Fidesz and Jobbik, supporters are equally outraged because they are all Hungarians.

  • If I really hated a group of people, I would not be sleeping with a man for said group, no matter how handsome he was. Let alone have his children. If anything, this just goes to show that she really is not anti-Jews and the media is spinning tales
    justasking at January 4, 2010 5:32 PM

    Check out the following interview in Heti Válasz (political weekly magazine with 7§-84.000 readers every week for the paper. 65 000-80 000 unique users visit the website of Heti Válasz each day (Hungarian original, no figures on the English translation))

    http://hetivalasz.hu/english_hungary/im-not-a-member-of-the-hungarian-guard-25874/

    “The best thing for the children is when both parents are there for them, but we no longer live together as a couple. We live in the same house, but in two separate households.”

    I do not think she used the current vocabulary when she met her ‘official’ husband.
    That is why I smell future custody battle and these statements are part of that.
    Future will tell.

  • olga

    @ Mark
    I am truly sorry if I gave the impression that my parents were patriotic Hungarians. They were eternally grateful to the heroes who gave up their lives in ’56 to fight Communism; it allowed other non-Patriots to get the hell out of the country. Patriots stayed – they were the non-Patriots who bailed out. Let’s not kid ourselves. In fact the only good thing I heard about Hungarians had to do with the freedom fighters of ’56.
    My Dad died in 2005 and was convinced that Hungary was still run by Communists and crooks but he did not lump today’s “Communists” with the Stalinist monsters like you do.
    My parents’ friends were Hungarians including Jewish Hungarians but we moved to a WASP area of Toronto thus I did not have friends with Hungarian backgrounds. Their Hungarian friends were shocked that when I turned 20 and “egy Angol fiuhoz ment ferjhez” – he is not English but Canadians were called “Angol” in those days.
    The MG is illegal – maybe Ms Morvai should use her legal expertise to change that. As I said, (hate to repeat) I would not support any politician who spoke the way she did. I’ll ask you again – do you know any other politicians who talk like her? Is this someone you want to represent Hungary?
    Have you considered the impact of her statements on her kids? Would you like your Mom to say things like that about your Dad given the same circumstances? No respect for someone who hurts her kid

  • @Mark: “…No one could provide the link and I have to question everything in the lead article.” You should familiarise yourself with her pattern of behaviour, perhaps: http://atv.hu/hircentrum/090605__morvai_ne_propagalja_metelt_farkincas_tapasztalatait____video.html
    Her statement telling Jews to ‘go play with their dicks’ was part of a carefully thought out and composed letter from Morvai – not a snap response to other people’s goading as you are trying to portray it.
    All this and she is a lecturer in Law at a Budapest University, a specialist in domestic violence herself, a member of Hungary’s legal Bar and an MEP.
    The one thing she isn’t is a member of Jobbik, as she is listed as an ‘independent’ in Europe.

  • justasking

    @ Viking;
    Okay, I read the provided article…so whats your point? She says nothing about hating Jews and to be quite honest, I enjoyed the way she refused to let the reporter try to turn the interview against her. As for her comment about living in the same house, yet having seperate households. Hats off to her for putting her childrens needs above her own, by trying to create a stable and loving environment.
    You have absolutely nothing on this woman and I bet pretty hard pressed to find stuff.
    @ Olga;
    Your parents might not have been patriotic Hungarians (and it shows I might add) but mine sure the hell were.

  • Bystander

    @Justasking:
    YUK. You used to make some sense sometimes. Now I’m getting a better view into your head and my first thought is “YUK.”
    You see infantile behavior that might be funny on a playground but say “That’s who I want to run my country!”? Reminds me (sorry I’m Hungarian-American) of people who see Sarah Palin running for (or FROM!) office and think “She’s just a regular Mom… like ME! She goes to hockey practice! I admire her gutsiness… That’s who I want to determine the fate of my country!”
    Sorry Justasking but you went from “she often has interesting points” to “YUK” in record time…

  • justasking

    @ Bystander;
    Does this mean we can’t be friends?

  • Bystander

    Sure we can be friends — in fact I often agree with your points, but somehow hearing that you want Jerry Springer for President was a bit of a letdown. Somehow I imagined you slightly more attractive on the inside! But hey I’m sure your external beauty more than compensates!
    If I can get away from the image of you over-enjoying the “playing with their dicks” comments, that would be a good start…
    But, sure we can be friends… Now “Salk51” at the top of this thread? No deal! 🙂

  • olga

    @ justasking
    Re: “Hats off to her for putting her childrens needs above her own, by trying to create a stable and loving environment. ”
    Are you on smack? Have you not been reading about Ms Morvai’s statements and the impact it must have had on her kids? Which part of her rants did you not understand that would have been traumatic for them?
    About “Patriotic” and being a “Real Hungarian” – I will leave those definitions up to you, Mark, Law, etc. For me it’s a personal feeling, and very subjective.
    I am proud of the fact that I am Hungarian by birth – (I like to think that Farkas Laszlo is the typical Magyar and people like him make me proud to have been born there. Recently I became very interested in what’s going on politically and economically in Hungary so I read this website.
    I was assured by Vandorlo that the ultra right-wing sentiments expressed on this website are definitely not representative of the average Hungarian. That’s why my interest continues.

  • justasking

    Christ, here we go again!
    @ Bystander;
    Obviously you missed my sarcasim; but, that’s okay cuz I did’nt understand what Salk51 meant.
    Yes, I have heard of Sarah Palin; but, I have never listened to her if that makes sense to you.
    Now, where exactly did I say that I would vote for Dr. Morvai? You know what though? I’m glad she’s around. I’m glad she’s forcing those baffoons in office to take notice that their gig is up. Somebody had to do it. From what I’ve seen over the years, people were so eager to get into office and line their pockets, on the backs of their own people I might add, that they literally have brought the country to it’s knees.
    So, do I care if she stands up for herself and essentially tells them to Fuck off…NO! Do I care that she married a Jew and had his children, and that is what this article is about…no. Yet, the media is sure making a big deal out of it arn’t they? Maybe to shut her up because what she says it true? Who knows.
    As a Mother, do I say hats off to BOTH her and her husband, to push their differences aside, so that their kids can see that, although Mommy and Daddy do not love each other anymore, they still love their kids enough to want to continue with a loving, stable home…Yes.
    So you now see me as YUK, excuse me for not shedding a tear. I’m not here to make friends anyway. Oh, and she didn’t say “playing with their dicks” either.

  • Hats off to her for putting her childrens needs above her own, by trying to create a stable and loving environment
    justasking at January 4, 2010 9:31 PM

    I think we have a difference in opinions what constitute “a stable and loving environment”.
    I would surely not put the things she claims belongs to ‘that kind of people’ to which her husband allegedly belongs to.
    I also think if you go back some years Morvai did not have this public anti-Jewish rhetoric.
    In the meantime they have ‘separated’.
    It just comes out very hateful and with a private twist of future custody battle.
    On the International arena she has already made herself impossible by creating a situation where she was kicked out from a UN-committee.
    You do not get kicked out for just having another opinion, more that you cannot cooperate with others.

  • justasking

    @ Olga;
    Yeah, maybe the same/similar impact knowing that what is writen about your Mom is all lies.

  • Bystander

    Excuse me Justasking, ‘go play with their dicks’… gosh, you’re a stickler for detail, which is unusual for someone whose thoughts are so poorly defined as yours seem to be to me.
    I don’t ask you to shed any tears, however what appears to be your life-philosophy “don’t take any crap, be strong and stand UP to people you don’t like” sounds a lot like “survivor/victim/Post-traumatic-stress syndrome”…
    I had hoped that the Hungarian spirit was more sophisticated than that, but following what Lazlo/Erik and others have stated, perhaps that IS the “hungarian spirit”! Well, at least we have group-therapy-sessions like this website to work things out!
    Good luck with that JustAsking! May you be tough in the face of male-domination and so forth! Remember, Law’s friend once said “The meek shall inherit the earth”. But then again, I’m a Jew. Good luck to ya!

  • justasking

    @ Bystander;
    Telling me that your a Jew… was that suppose to be your trump card?
    If thats the case (bare with me “my thoughts are usually so poorly defined)…As a Catholic. Good luck to ya too!

  • The Truth Seeker ( aka olga)

    @ Bystander
    I think you are the first Jewish person I ” met ” on this website.
    Not sure if you know this (depends how long you have been around here) but if you are Jewish, you are Israeli ( news to you?) and you are part of the plot to take over Hungary because it’s Israel’s Number 1 target. Don’t bother denying it I seek the truth just like my good pal Law and you cannot fool me. (He was only kidding when he once told me to crawl under a rock. What a guy! Always comes up with something cute and original)
    Thanks to postings, I know that Jews are taking over the USA but it’s a mere dress rehearsal. Reference: Salk51 named names – all those Jewish people in the Obama Administration. The Catholics and Protestants must be pissed off for being ignored, but that’s irrelevant since my question is related to Hungary.)
    Anyway, what are the plans for Hungary once “you people” take over? Oszkar Molnar, Law, Pavaszem and Co. would not lie so I simply want to know what the future holds.
    Be kind to Krisztina for her transgression once you take over. I know that males are ever so sensitive about you know what, but she was probably discriminated against by some nasty men in the workplace that day and wasn’t really responsible for those words. Please let “your people” know about the mitigating circumstances.

  • Law

    Why does MSZP hire Inkal private security, Israel
    trained and owned? Why isn’t the Hungarian police
    force efficient enough to serve Hungarians? Why do
    Israel operate security training at Hungarian
    airports? Hungary sends some of its police to the
    “International Security Academy” in Israel.
    Hungary’s national education policy was written by
    Israel, and requires every schoolchild to become
    familiar with the holocaust. Education Secretary
    Bogyay (Zionist Jew) has just launched a giant
    educational exchange program for Jews. Already
    hundreds of Israeli students are enrolled in
    Hungarian schools. Many schools are Jewish-only.
    Tension is so high that Hungarian gentiles say the
    atmosphere is surreal. They say the only thing
    that keeps Jews in power is their police force of
    30,000. They say a “long hot summer” is coming up.
    To help control the crowds, Israel sent 174
    special ops troops, who were taken by bus (with
    blacked-out windows) to the main synagogue in
    central Budapest, which is a huge complex. The
    Israelis have been staying there for several days.
    Tomorrow, Israeli snipers will occupy rooftops,
    while other Israelis will coordinate the police.
    cont

  • Law

    30 Israeli businessmen representing 16 Israeli
    companies visited Hungary to improve Israeli
    control over the nation. The visit was organized
    by David Admon, Israel’s Ambassador to Hungary.
    In 2003, bilateral trade between Israel and
    Hungary was $173.4 million. By 2006 it had tripled
    to $496 million.
    Israel’s exports to Hungary totaled $97 million in
    2006, while imports totaled $399 million. Thus,
    Hungary is an Israel-controlled factory with cheap
    Gentile workers.
    Hungary’s president, prime minister, and all other
    government ministers are Zionist Jews. Indeed, 75%
    of government bureaucrats at all levels are
    Zionist Jews, as is the minister of police. Many
    of these people spend as much time in Israel as
    they do in Hungary.
    Jews own all TV, radio, and major newspaper
    outlets.
    The gangsters are utterly corrupt. Before Prime
    Minister Ferenc Gyurcsany (Zionist Jew) took
    office, he promised to reduce government waste.
    Instead, he doubled taxes. In September 2006 he
    was caught on tape admitting he lied to win the
    elections.
    cont

  • Law

    Under Jewish control, the Hungarian sovereign
    debt’s credit rating has been reduced to BBB+.
    This makes Hungary the only country in the EU
    (apart from Jewish-controlled Poland) not to enjoy
    an A grade score. Foreign investors’ trust in the
    Hungarian economy has declined, since all
    government economics programs are based on raising
    taxes, rather than curbing government spending.
    Today Jews get all the best jobs in Hungary, while
    Gentiles suffer from the highest unemployment in
    Eastern Europe. Hungary has a high cost of living,
    but low wages. Prices for fuel, phones, and
    electricity keep rising, as do taxes and
    inflation. Non-Jewish hospitals are being closed.
    Hospitals that remain open do not have enough food
    for patients. The general quality of life is
    deteriorating.
    On January 1, 2007, the gangsters dissolved the
    Hungarian Land Moratorium, which had prevented the
    privatization of natural resources in Hungary.
    Hungary is now up for sale to transnational
    corporations.
    Budapest has about 50,000 Jews, the largest
    concentration of any city in Eastern Europe. Thus,
    it is a major trans-shipment point for
    methamphetamines and Afghan heroin. It also has a
    huge pornography industry.
    Several militant Jewish organizations are active
    in Hungary, such as the Zionist Federation of
    Hungary, the Hungarian Zionist Organization, and
    the Federation of Jewish Communities (Mazsihisz).
    The city of Budapest has 26 synagogues. One of
    them is the size of a city block.
    cont

  • Law

    Despite total Jewish control of Hungary, Prime
    Minister Ferenc Gyurcsany complains that Hungary is
    a hotbed of “anti-Semitism.”
    Hungarian Gentiles expect that if they try to take
    back their government, NATO will send in the
    military to protect the Jewish gangsters.

  • Hi Law,
    Reading through your long post did not make me very happy but thanks for taking the time. There are very dark clouds over Hungary and Hungarians need Jobbik, Magyar Garda, and people such as you more then ever. Keep on fighting and the future will be much better than the nightmare you just described.

  • Well, the only ‘fact’ in Law’s surrealistic ‘description’ is the size of the main synagogue in Budapest.
    The Great Synagogue, also known as Dohány Street Synagogue or Tabakgasse Synagogue, is located in Erzsébetváros, the 7th district of Budapest. It is the largest synagogue in Eurasia and the second largest in the world, after the Temple Emanu-El.
    It seats 3,000 people and is a centre of Neolog Judaism.
    The synagogue is 75m long and 27m wide, and was built between 1854 and 1859 in the Moorish Revival style, based chiefly on Moorish models from North Africa and Spain (the Alhambra), according to a plan by German Ludwig Förster, with interior design partly by Frigyes Feszl.
    Theodore Herzl’s house of birth was next to the Dohány street Synagogue. In the place of his house stands the Jewish Museum, which holds the Jewish Religious and Historical Collection, built in 1930 in accordance with the synagogue’s architectural style and attached in 1931 to the main building.
    Dohány Street itself, a leafy street in the city center, carries strong Holocaust connotations as it constituted the border of the Budapest Ghetto.

  • @Olga
    “I am truly sorry if I gave the impression that my parents were patriotic Hungarians. They were eternally grateful to the heroes who gave up their lives in ’56 to fight Communism; it allowed other non-Patriots to get the hell out of the country. Patriots stayed – they were the non-Patriots who bailed out.”
    It is sad that you would disgrace your parents by telling us that they were not patriotic Hungarians but it is even worse that you are parroting the Communist line that the only patriotic Hungarians are those who stayed and were murdered and tortured by the Communists. The Communists hated those who took part in the Uprising and they horribly tortured them before they murdered them, including children. They hated those who they could not capture even more and Kadar regime used any means to smear those who escaped their revenge. Trying to portray them as less than patriotic Hungarians was one of their smears. You cannot smear your parents, no matter how hard you try because they were patriotic Hungarians. If I could, I would apologize to them for you.
    @Bystander
    It is a shock to read that you were a Jew. I was under the impression that there were no Jews on this list and only Swedes, Germans and Hungarians frequent this list to smear Hungarians who want a better future for Hungarians.
    After all, some of you told us many times that those who spoke in favor of Jobbik and Magyar Garda were not Hungarians. How about Kohn, Rakosi, Gero, Bauer, Apro and all those other monsters? Were they Jews or Hungarians?

  • x

    I just found this and didn’t read all the comments so maybe it was
    already mentioned – the neonazi site kuruc.info, close to Jobbik,
    is peddling doormats with portraits of politicians and media people
    they don’t like (“to put the dirt where it belongs”), and they had one
    of György Baló too, it made some news in summer.
    http://atv.hu/hircentrum/090714_balo_gyorgyos_labtorlot_arul_a_
    morvai_kozeli_hirportal___foto.html
    I wonder how she explained that to her poor kids.

  • From all I can tell, Jobbik keeps kurucinfo at an arm’s distance. They post a lot of good information but they also do some things that Zionazis do. If you want to know about Jobbik, read the Jobbik site, not kurucinfo. Publishing pictures, personal and information on people they do not like made me suspect kurucinfo for some time. I see on this list some the snooping, invasive, slimy things that use these tactics against the patriotic Hungarians on the list. In short, I do not know whom kurucinfo is working for but they are not working for Jobbik.
    I see more and more posts about Morvai’s husband being a Jew in the Jewish media. I do not see why it bothers them if it does not bother Jobbik supporters. What is uglier when zsidók zsidóznak?
    To your question, “I wonder how she explained that to her poor kids”, I would say to let it rest. It is not be the first time that the parents’ mixed race or ethnicity causes conflict for their children. It happens in America all the time and with children of Hungarian and German parents. If they both love, their children they can make them understand that their mother’s defense of Hungary from Israeli colonial designs does not mean that she hates Jews.

  • I see more and more posts about Morvai’s husband being a Jew in the Jewish media
    Mark at January 5, 2010 10:08 AM

    You would care to share with us what you have read?
    I think there are many that would be surprised you are actually reading “Jewish media”.
    But maybe you mean MTI and all mainstream media, like Law, with that?

  • I usually ignore your “questions” because you are a troll but here is an exception you should treasure because there may not be another one for you.
    Since you have stated that Law, Ricsi and I are the same person, you should know that I agree with Law who according to you is I 🙂

  • So by calling everything mainstream for ‘Jewish’ you do not think that you are a bit off the mark, Mark?
    You do not even try to distinguish from the political side (Zionism) and the religious side (Judaism). For you they are the same and equally bad.
    You have declared your support for the Jewish State of Israel in the specific ground that it means fewer Jews will be in Hungary.
    On the other hand you cannot stop complaining over how Palestinians are created by the same Jewish State of Israel, that you support.
    In total this make you into a very complex person, that in each step in life, you will identify your life-situation as being against any (imaginary or real) Jews.
    I take Law’s drivel earlier today as a joke and you went for it. The most interesting with his drivel was the statement that Poland now is “Jew-controlled”. Poland was the Hungarian Right Wonder Country, when the 2 Twin Clowns were running it, but obviously they were just a ‘Jewish Front’?

  • I followed Huncillin’s (aka Law) source back to see where he copied the material (because he cannot write anything that complex) and he took it from:
    1) judicial-inc.biz/i.hungary..today.htm
    2) which have taken it from a blog-post by Abdul-Alhazred on Wed, 2007-03-14 19:20 on wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/902

    So that was the originality and truth of Law’s long post this morning. Mark got an orgasm though, so I suppose Huncillin can be happy.

    A close to 3 year blog-post written by some-one who has no obvious ties to Hungary, WOW!
    (if you put http:// in front of the links they will hopefully work)

  • Law

    Time magazine has characterized financier George Soros as a “modern-day Robin Hood,” who robs from the rich to give to the poor countries of eastern Europe and Russia. It claimed that Soros makes huge financial gains by speculating against western central banks, in order to use his profits to help the emerging post-communist economies of eastern Europe and former Soviet Union, to assist them to create what he calls an “Open Society.” The Time statement is entirely accurate in the first part, and entirely inaccurate in the second. He robs from rich western countries, and uses his profits to rob even more savagely from the East, under the cloak of “philanthropy.” His goal is to loot wherever and however he can. Soros has been called the master manipulator of “hit-and-run capitalism.”
    As we shall see, what Soros means by “open,” is a society that allows him and his financial predator friends to loot the resources and precious assets of former Warsaw Pact economies. By bringing people like Jeffrey Sachs or Sweden’s Anders Aslund and their economic shock therapy into these economies, Soros lays the groundwork for buying up the assets of whole regions of the world at dirt-cheap prices.
    The man who broke the Bank of England?
    An examination of Soros’s secretive financial network is vital to understand the true dimension of the “Soros problem” in eastern Europe and other nations.
    http://www.questionsquestions.net/docs04/engdahl-soros.html

  • Hi Law,
    I just read this interview with Vona It gives a clear picture of Jobbik positions. I pity those who cannot read it and yet have the gall to speak about Jobbik.
    Mindenkit el fogunk számoltatni! – Exkluzív, évindító interjú Vona Gáborral
    http://barikad.hu/node/44098

  • Of course, a 14 year old ‘report’ on Soros is a must to read today. Nothing happened in between that was interesting.
    This ‘report’ finish with the statement:
    “The political agenda of Soros and this group of financial “globalists” will create the conditions for a new outbreak of war, even world war, if it continues to be tolerated”

    And what has this to do with today’s Hungary?
    Of course, WWIII is starting tomorrow.
    In Budapest, on Dohány Street, when the Israeli Black Ops, that have been hiding in the Synagogue for the last 3 years, will be coming storming out and occupy the rest of the world.
    It is time to update your inventory on helmets and flack-jackets.

  • wolfi

    @Viking:
    Thanks for showing us where Law gets his crude antiquated (mis-)information – it is really funny to see something that goes “yesterday this happened …” and then realize that it was several years ago …
    It felt a bit strange because the numbers only went up to 2006, but it is all clear to me now.
    Anyway it proves that you can’t trust any info that the jobos post here. We have a joke about this in Germany:
    If Law (or Mark or …) tells you that three plus three makes six, you better calculate it yourself, because you can’t relie on anything they tell you, they always lie, it’s their nature not to tell the truth …
    Really funny those “copy&paste” guys!

  • Kereskedelem

    Please let Fidesz, MSZP, Jobbik, MDF, etc present their policies and we will judge them accordingly.
    The ping pong contradictions posted on this forum
    by ill-informed idiots do nothing to address the real issues in Hungary today.
    It is convenient for people to look the other way
    regarding the truth about Soros when receiving his ill-gotten gains. It is understandable too..especially in ex-eastern bloc countries where
    money is scarce, to say the least!

  • Not sure if this is the right thread, but I’m in a rush and can’t be bothered looking.
    I read the article Law posted by Lipson re: hypocrisy in large organisations.
    I have to say, it wasn’t actually a bad article. It wasn’t nearly as sensational as it was made out to be though. What’s worse is that Law’s selective posting of references does not, in my opinion, actually reflect the overall message of the paper. It’s hard to make an an actual judgement on what Law wrote though, because it seems that it has come from more than just this source.
    Anyway, in a nutshell, what Lipson was saying is that notions of hypocrisy are subjective by nature, to begin with, so as an organisation grows and becomes more linked into society, it is bound to offend someone eventually by appearing to act outside its charter.Furthermore, again as it gets larger, the interests of the people it represents come into conflict with the interests of others. Lipson also suggests that the larger an organisation is, the greater the chances that ‘bad people’ will become a part of its structure, who will then use its influence to achieve their own ends.So, Lipson is not making any sensational claim, but rather that hypocrisy is simply a natural phenomenon of people in large groups, and depends first on perception and second on an organisation’s ability to monitor its staff.In short, I don’t find this any surprise, since I think people are people whatever their flavour…including Hungarians.

  • For the record…the whole “you wouldn’t understand suffering” thing is pretty sick really. First of all, those who say such things are making one almighty assumption. Second, to invalidate someone else by comparing relative levels of pain is, in my opinion, one of the ultimate forms of hypocrisy. Finally, those kind of comments are very typical of those caught in a victim mentality, that is unlikely to ever lead to anything but deepening resentment and hatred. It’s pointless, inaccurate, and makes you exactly what you claim to hate.
    That’s it for me for now.I’m off to a new land and a new life. I’ll get back on when I can, though I don’t know how long it will be.
    Take care everyone.

  • olga

    @ Cinaed
    Your last comments about “victim mentality” were really interesting.
    Good luck with your new life – hope you are going to a warm climate. Met some people over the weekend who are here for a month – I thought they were crazy to pick this time of the year to come for a visit.

  • Bystander

    @JustAsking,
    No… mentioning that I happen to be Jewish is not a “trump card”, but did seem a relevant detail to me considering the line of discussion along the thread and the fact that I haven’t seen anyone here admit they were Jewish…
    Do yourself a favor and take a look at the title of the page (hint: see bar at the top of your browser window) and see if the topic of Jewishness is more or less relevant than, say “George Soros” to this thread).
    So now that we’ve gotten that out of the way, I’ll be quick since I don’t seem to have as much time on my hands as some of you…
    First of all, since Law/Mark/etc. claim that Hungary is positively *overrun* by Jews, how come I’m not hearing from any/many on this site? Maybe their numbers are off a little?
    Secondly, I would like to propose that the reason a large number of Jews (in the United States at least, pardon my going off-Hungary-topic momentarily) have a tendency to reach positions of power, wealth, and/or influence — not to mention accademia and sciences etc. — is because it is embedded in Jewish culture that EDUCATION is the most important thing to pass on to one’s children.
    I don’t have time for a cultural analysis here and clearly this is shared by many ethnic groups, but let’s just say that, growing up, if I told my parents I didn’t want to go to university, they would not have been pleased! They did their best to make sure I had lots of books to read, after-school programs etc. (cont’d)

  • Bystander

    (cont’d)
    …So when it was time for college, it “turned out” that I had high SAT scores and good grades that got me into an American Ivy-League school. And this has led to a certain degree of success in my life that I feel that *I* have earned (with enormous gratitude for the opportunities and discipline/encouragement that my parents passed on to me).
    My parents DIDNT write letters to my university threatening Mossad action if I didn’t get in… No distant uncle was called with connections to Zionists to get me my first job offer. Sure, some Jews will help other Jews out, the same way Korean immigrants will help each other out, or Italian-Americans etc. but the true driving force for Jewish prosperity/success is –EDUCATION. Try it!
    The ‘recipe for Jewish advancement within a culture’ is actually relatively simple, contrary to the simplistic conspiracy-theorizing of the “haters” in here…
    Besides misstating facts like “all of Obama’s staff are Jewish” it is also misleading to imply that the seeming disproportionality of Jewish “success” is due to behind the scenes wheeling-and-dealing…
    Some may be, but not nearly enough to explain world Jewish prosperity. One also shouldn’t forget that being a kind of homeless “Gypsy” people historically speaking, that Jews have adapted to try to learn how to optimally integrate into a variety of cultures…I apologize for the bad Jews of history as well as many bad policies of the state of Israel which I don’t agree with. There!

  • @Bystander
    You should not make statements like these without prior warning:
    Admitting that you are a Jew
    Apologizing for the bad Jews of history
    Apologizing for many bad policies of the state of Israel which you don’t agree with
    I have never seen anything like that and I need to double my medication to prevent the shock from doing serious harm. I have been an admirer of Dr. Norman G. Finkelstein for his integrity, humanity and honesty but he is a pariah who is hated and persecuted by some of the most influential people in the extremist Jewish community. His lectured are constantly interrupted and it would appear that he is hated more than Hitler yet he goes on speaking the truth. Some claim that he is a self-hating Jew but others see him as the best hope for Jews getting along with the rest of us.
    Granting that Jewish culture values education but other cultures value education just as much yet they do not take over countries such as Hungary and call all those who want their country back all kind of names. How do you explain the “Sukoró” fiasco any many other cases where Hungarian Jews collaborated with Israeli Jews to hand over choice Hungarian real estate, for a fraction of their value to their Israeli counterparts? I do not see the threat to my people and my country in you getting a great education but in the colonial design of Israel on Hungary and the brutal role of Jews during the Communist era. However, this is the first time I ever came across a Jew apologizing “for the bad Jews of history” and I thank you for that. Maybe there is hope…

  • wolfi

    @Bystander: Yes, you’re absolutely correct.
    I remember my mother telling stories about the Jewish kids that went to high school with her until about 1935 – the the whole Jewish settlement we had left for Palestine, they realized what was coming in Germany …
    They were all very well-read and bright pupils. OT: One funny story. They liked to exchange food. For some matzen my mother gave them her sandwiches with majas/sertes hurka, which of course they weren’t supposed to eat …
    Actually that was one of the biggest mistakes that the Nazis made:
    Germany lost so many scientists and artists, authors and so on by expelling or killing the Jews.
    In the fields of mathematics and physics we became almost second rate …

  • olga

    @ Mark
    I hope to God Bystander was being sarcastic when
    he apologized for the bad Jews in history and the policy of Israel
    Should Wolfi apologize for Hitler?
    Should you apologize for the US foreign policy?
    Should I apologize for the way Canada treated/treating our First nation?
    I don’t believe in “collective guilt” – do you?

  • justasking

    @Bystander;
    Thats right, the sharing of what religion you follow was relevent to you…not to me. You see, I think it is possible to critical of people and events without having to resort to hate. But what do I know, my thoughts ususally are so poorly defined.
    As for the rest of what you wrote re: education being important, going to University a must, parents insisting on it etc…could have been an example of what my parents demanded of me and my siblings. “Education being emmbedded in Jewish culture” sorry other cultures hold the same opinion. Pretty lame example for explaining Jewish success, “it’s because we study harder”.
    There!

  • Bystander

    @Justasking,
    I am sorry to hear you disagree with my ‘theory’. It’s just a ‘theory’ so feel free to rebut it with greater detail if you like. Debating back and forth with facts can help people with differing viewpoints clarify things, which is one of the great things about a website such as this. My original point to you was that I think however that people shoule “fight fair” and not cheat by using distraction-tactics or using unsubstantiated facts, etc.; something that at least the folks here are willing to call each other out on, which is good.
    As to your comment, clearly, most of the people in THIS thread are fairly well-educated and probably DID for the most part have parents who encouraged us to get an education, otherwise the level of debate here would be more like the illiterate comments one sees at the bottom of YouTube pages… So sure, in THIS particular “demographic sample” (correct my jargon please Vandorlo!) the Jews obviously don’t have a monopoly on education… Perhaps there is data out there though on what percentage of Jewish children go on to higher education vs. other peoples, I don’t know…
    I guess you are right, ALL Jews are just sinister exploiters of others and THAT explains it!
    Now that the sarcasm is over, I was only partly sarcastic in apologizing for other Jews’ misdeeds… I do see a lot in the world I’m ashamed of; some caused by Jews, most of it, not.
    So… Mark, et al, are YOU guilty for things YOUR countrymen did?

  • justasking

    @Bystander;
    I didn’t say I disagreed with your “theory”, I said it was lame!
    ” All sinister exploiters of others”, and I said that OR implide that …when?
    I would not go so far as to say that “I am ashamed” of some of the things I see people do to each other today, as well as in the past, more like it saddens me and sometimes down right horrifies me.
    Do I feel “guilty” of some of Hungary/Hungarians past transgressions, not really. Saddened, horrifed, shocked are more the words that I would use, for I have nothing to be guilty of.

  • olga

    @ Bystander
    I asked Mark the same thing – I mentioned I hoped you were sarcastic about apologies for Jewish crimes or Israel’s policies.
    @ Justasking
    It’s only January 5th and I found something you wrote that I agree with. Scary thought that we are on the same page (re feeling guilty about past Hungarian transgressions)

  • justasking

    @Olga;
    If it tasted like vinegar coming out of your mouth…why say it?

  • Bystander

    Maybe we are in agreement… When I say I am “ashamed” of what I see going on around the world I mean that speaking AS a Human Being I am ashamed that “we all over the world” can’t treat each other better, without killing or exploiting each other in our quest to provide for our families etc.
    I *could* say “horrified” or “saddened” which would be more of a passive phrasing, but I think I will stick with “ashamed” because we as Human Beings should KNOW better and we could DO better but ignorance and fear etc. seem to always get the better of us in the frenzy for survival and so on, and I do feel slightly ashamed that people’s better instincts don’t always win out.
    I don’t mean by that to say that I am RESPONSIBLE for troubles of the world… the way the Israeli settlers take a hardline approach (out of fear, perhaps paranoia of terrorism) or I am RESPONSIBLE for bad US foreign policy at times (because I may have voted for the “other guy” though I may enjoy the fruits of US exploitation in terms of cheap oil prices etc.) but that I think we as people all over the world can do better and it’s my personal feeling maybe that if everyone tried just a little harder, either through persuasion (why I’m *here* maybe?) or tolerance or whatever other small contributions people could make to fight injustice and help the unfortunate, that the world could be improved.
    So it’s ‘disappointment’ in human nature perhaps that moves me to use the word “ashamed”, not actual “culpability”.

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  • klara

    after all the emotion charged responses my news hardly seems worth mentioning, but it astonished me when i first found out. the clergy installed as the new priest in the district church (after chasing off a young man with a true calling) is a former (i guess) jew. a clock punching, obese clod who does more to keep people out of church than attending.
    🙂 some folks in the next town had enough sense to slap him around when he showed up late and drunk to the easter service.

  • olga

    @ Klara
    Which one of the several essay writing opportunities above your posting was the most emotionally charged? I couldn’t make up my mind.
    Re: … ” the clergy installed as the new priest in the district church (after chasing off a young man with a true calling) is a former (i guess) jew. a clock punching, obese clod who does more to keep people out of church than attending. ”
    You “guess” he was a former Jew ? If he was an obese clod, you can BET he was a Jew (perhaps a Roma, but I say a Jew but most importantly, we do know he was not a Tiszta Magyar. Process of elimination and there are only 3 groups to choose from so it’s easy
    Please give more details – obviously it’s current news since an Easter service was involved.
    Do you know if David Irving weighed in on the scandal? If so, what was his learned opinion?

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