June 5th, 2009

Outrage over obscene anti-Semitic Internet post by Morvai

Jobbik chief MEP candidate Krisztina Morvai has written in a message to Hungarian Jews posted on an online forum that: “I would be greatly pleased if those who call themselves proud Hungarian Jews played in their leisure with their tiny circumcised dicks, instead of besmirching me. Your kind of people are used to seeing all of our kind of people stand to attention and adjust to you every time you fart. Would you kindly acknowledge this is now OVER. We have raised our head up high and we shall no longer tolerate your kind of terror. We shall take back our country.”

She made the remarks on the Deák Ferenc Civic Forum website.

Morvai’s wrath was unleashed by comments from Gábor Barát, finance manager of a New York radiology institute, who called her a psychiatric case and a monster. Barát, referring to himself as “a proud Hungarian Jew,” said Morvai foments hatred and said she should be banned from politics for her dangerous remarks.

Morvai did not deny that she wrote the message, but declined to comment further.

Antall-era foreign minister Géza Jeszenszky said in a message posted on the same forum that “this tone and style are astonishing, unworthy of Hungarian traditions and a woman. All decent Hungarian people can only condemn this contribution. Such words were not written even by Csurka”.

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  • Viking

    “their tiny circumcised dicks”
    Well she should know, being married to one…
    She probably need a big ‘Tiszta Magyar”s.

  • fabian

    See ,even though she married one,she is still independent enough to call a spade a spade!Go girl
    PS I doubt she would even consider a shrivelled scandinavians!

  • http://www.allhungary.hu Erik

    @fabian: hahah – but will this improve or hurt Jobbiks’ chances on Sunday? But put your answer in the prediction blog post just put up…

  • Mariska

    Was that actually her?? As much as I dislike her I didn’t think she
    would use vulgar street language like that–”tiny circumcised
    dicks” and “every time you fart”? That sounds more like some idiotic
    teenage troll impersonating her.
    If it really was her, though–well, let’s all just sit back and enjoy
    the spectacle of Jobbik imploding upon itself and sinking back into
    obscurity.

  • Viking

    The ‘dick and fart’-thing is of course funny, especially written by a female law professor.
    The disturbing thing is the “we shall no longer tolerate your kind of terror. We shall take back our country”. This is aimed at “those who call themselves proud Hungarian Jews”.
    For me this is yet another proof of what fabian likes to claim “Jobbik is not anti-Jewish” is as true as most of his other claims.
    It would be OK if she had written that this and that person had stolen Hungary. Now she portrays all “Hungarian Jews” of doing this. Which is the classic “Blame the Jew”-claim.
    So what is new since the 30ies?
    For the record – I would not subscribe to Gábor Barát’s suggestion that Morvai “should be banned from politics for her dangerous remarks”.
    She is more funny at large and I do not subscribe to limiting ‘Free Speech’ in general.
    So you can let go of those arguments.

  • JD

    I saw a picture of Krisztina Morvai on one of those Jobbik posters.
    I nearly didn’t reconise her without the narrow black moustache and slicked side parting.

  • Beleznay Balazs David

    It is a sad state of affairs when a Law Professor of a leading
    Hungarian University have so little sense of justice and such a
    limited understanding of Hungarian History and Culture… I am not
    sure if Morvai sincerely believes this “Our Kind and Your Kind”
    garbage or she is just using such rhetoric to ingratiate herself to
    Jobbik’s followers. This is a person who spoke up for battered
    women! How on Earth can she claim to be more “Hungarian” than a
    Jewish or Gypsy Hungarians? On what scientific or historical facts is
    she basing her argument?

  • Emese

    She is basing her facts on the fact the Zionist Jews use the Hungarian people as fodor!

  • Gabor

    Yes, the Hungarian people make wonderful fodor!

  • Viking

    Emese,
    Morvai did *not* write “Zionist Jews”, which is political/religious part of all people that want to call themselves Jews.
    Morvai explicitly wrote “Hungarian Jews”, which would then apply to all who in some sense would see themselves as Hungarians and Jews. A much bigger group than just the Zionist part.
    To understand the difference between Zionists and Jews is the same as understand the difference between radical and very political oriented Shia, compared to other more moderate versions of Islam.
    A pre-requisite in both cases is an open mind for other people, which seem to be lacking among people who think Jobbik/MIEP is the way forward.
    Before WWII very few Jews in Hungary would have called themselves Zionists and the Hungarian Rabbis complained that too many became secular and even converted over to Christianity. Nothing of this saved them though when the Hungarian Arrow Crosses snatched them. Read the history of Apor Vilmos and how he pleaded to let go of the Catholics that had converted from Judaism. The Arrow Cross implementation of who was a Jew was even harder than the Germans. Something to be proud of as Hungarian?

  • Emese

    Well if the Jews weren’t worshipping Satan then there would be a big difference.

  • Paul O’Tarsus

    The Jews worshiping Satan? Is that who Jesus worshiped too, or was He a Magyar? Or perhaps,
    Emese, you don’t have any faith at all besides your
    overwhelming hatreds.

  • JD

    Well said Paul, it seems to be an inconvenient and often overlooked fact that Jesus was Jewish.

  • Viking

    Emese,
    And if so were, how would that be a problem?
    Must people living in Hungary worship the God of Emese?
    Who is that God?
    If you did not know it, Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same God. The difference is just that Christians and Muslims choose to believe in that God has sent his representatives here already – and none of them was a Magyar.
    Maybe the ‘Tiszta Magyar’ Religion is more like Judaism, you are still waiting for the Magyar Godly High Representative.

  • Emese

    When we look at Jesus’ mission and his interaction with the hierarchy, the power elite, of the Jewish religion who never accepted him as the Messiah, who condemned him from the very start, who tried all kinds of trickery to get him to commit what they said was blasphemy so they had an excuse for putting him to death. Because back then blasphemy was a capital crime. They rejected him because they were attached to the outer religion which is what Jesus called “The broad way that leads to destruction,” which is what the Old Testament calls “The way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.”
    Yet we have seen that Jesus denounced the automatic or guaranteed salvation promised by the Jewish authorities. Instead, Jesus indicated that the key to salvation is a change in consciousness which depends on our free will choices and not on outer conditions.There is not one place in scripture where Jesus promised that if you declare him as your Lord and Savior, your salvation is guaranteed. On the contrary, he forcefully denounced the Jewish authorities who promised salvation through outer means. The religious authorities of the Jewish church wanted to get rid of Jesus because he was the ultimate threat to their power structure.
    He came to overthrow that closed system. He came to denounce the people who had set themselves up as the link between God and the people. He came to overthrow the p

  • Emese

    Cont
    the power structures and to expose the power plays. He came to restore the key to knowledge which these people had taken away in an attempt to control the population.
    Hungarians believe in the Christian faith the true path to salvation.

  • JD

    But Emese, by your rules, he was still Jewish.
    You never have and continue to make no distinction between a person of Jewish faith and their values as a human.
    In your world, you would have nailed Jesus to the cross far quicker than anyone else did.

  • Paul O’Tarsus

    Emese, that is one of the most creative
    reinterpretations of Christianity I have ever come
    across – did you make that up or did you catch that
    on late night TV? Start paying more attention to the
    Pope and less to Mel Gibson. Ever hear about Vatican
    II? And where does Xenu fit in?

  • Viking

    Emese,
    In addition also – How would you then explain that for about 400 first years only Jews could be become Christians?
    It was first when the Christian missionaries came to non-Jewish territory at the time, like North-Africa, the demand came up inside the Christian Church to take away the demand that only Jews could be accepted for conversion.
    As the Pagans asked – ‘If now Christianity is so good, why do we have to convert to Judaism first?’
    Because that is what the early Christian missionaries had to do:
    1) Find a Pagan
    2) Turn him into a Jew
    3) Make a Christian out of him
    I suppose you ‘Tiszta Magyars’ can be happy that you all become Christians so late, otherwise you had all been Jews first…what a drama that would have created.
    I cannot understand why real ‘Tiszta Magyars’ at all want to be Christians, your Istvan Kiraly obviously was for European integration and took power against Magyar tradition just to get cosy with the ‘Imperialistic Vatican’. He obviously sold out Hungary to foreigners, as you would call it today. The Catholic Church was the first real multinational, multi-cultural over-State organisation. Members have still their 1st allegiance to the Pope, not the National State. Being a real Catholic, means you follow the Pope, not any Hungarian leader.
    You guys are soo complicated, so everyone can understand that it gets a bit too confusing sometimes.

  • Beleznay Balazs David

    Emese!
    How is a Jesus – who according to the accepted scriptures from
    the 1st Century – celebrated the Sabbath, observed every Jewish
    Religious Law, based his legitimacy as the Messiah on the prophecies contained in the Torah – not a Jew?
    And also: Since when is being a Christian a pre-requisite for
    being MAGYAR? Geza and Almos would be annoyed at the
    suggestion along with most Hungarians up until well into the
    13th Century…
    And how about the KHAZARS? Another Turkic people in close association with the Magyars before the “Honfoglalas”. They
    were were not christians but practiced a form of Judaism and
    also informed and influenced Magyar religious practices such as
    the a separate Religious head of tribe , the Taltos or “High
    Priest” with standing equal to the Vizier.
    Hungarian History and Culture is much more complex and richer
    than Mrs. Morvai and “her kind” would like you to believe.
    Kisztihant!

  • Godot

    I’m an equal opportunity atheist, I find all religions ridiculously obsolete in the 21st century.
    At least Christians don’t have a stupid dress code and they can eat whatever they want. Jews and Muslims are not so lucky. Do these people believe all the religious crap, or they only use religion as a cover to gang up on normal people? Either the majority of religious folks are out of their minds or some evil conspiracy is going on.

  • Viking

    Godot,
    You obviously need to spend time with some Proud Hungarian Catholics to get to understand what you cannot eat certain parts of the year.
    The dress-code thing is more cultural/geographic than religious. Look at all the different variants of Muslim dress that exist over the world and it is always changing a bit.
    Visit your Proud Hungarian Catholic Church a Sunday and you will see your neighbours all dressed up, especially the children, because you are supposed to do that. One can argue if that is because of religion or culture.

  • Godot

    Is this you Viking:
    http://tinyurl.com/oce4zk

  • Sophie

    Godot and Fabian, you are fighting a túlerő of Hungary haters on this blog, and doing a super job! (Loved the photo of fake-Viking, Godot: an excellent likeness!) I must add this (somewhat obvious) remark: It is clear why Erik posted this ‘quotation’ of Dr Morvai. He is making ground for the ‘likeness’ to the vulgar Zippy Livni he claimed a while ago to have perceived in Dr Morvai. But reflect: had Dr Morvai written the obscenity Erik and his kind attribute to her, the whole world’s zionist media would be yowling with glee. It is not; so she did not.

  • http://www.allhungary.hu Erik

    @Sophie: That’s just silly – neither I, Viking or any of the other regulars here are “Hungary haters.” We just don’t hate the people you think are enemies of the Hungarians. Put it this way: it’s safe to say that many or most Azeris (people from Azerbaijan) hate the Armenians. But if I don’t hate the Armenians does that make me an Azeri-hater?

  • Dozsa

    Sophie: Morvai admitted to making the comment, so your ignorance is just par for the course. Nobody expects better from you. As for the “glee” you expect, Hungary is simply not that important to the world. When a few sick Hungarian neo-nazis get all excited because some third rate politico posts vulgar rantings on a Hungarian language web forum it is not news. It’s just ordinary behavior from an extremely ordinary subculture hat appeals to a lower segment of society – yours, Sophie. The European Parliament will have a field day with this woman’s lowbrow behavior. It will be amusing.

  • Emese

    The Jewish people are chosen not for domination over others, not for conquest or warfare, but to serve God and thus to serve mankind. “And the hands are the hands of Esau,” has been traditionally interpreted to mean that while “the voice is Jacob’s,” the hands, symbolizing violence are Esau’s. Thus physical violence is not a tradition or a value of the Jews. The task for which the Jewish people were chosen is not to set an example of military superiority or technical achievements, but to seek perfection in moral behavior and spiritual purity. Of all the crimes of political Zionism, the worst and most basic, and which explains all its other misdeeds, is that from its beginning Zionism has sought to separate the Jewish people from their God, to render the divine covenant null and void, and to substitute a “modern” statehood and fraudulent sovereignty for the lofty ideals of the Jewish people.

  • Emese

    One way of misleading many Jews and all too many non Jews is the Zionist misuse of names and symbols sacred in Judaism. They use the holy name Israel for their Zionist state. They have named their land acquisition fund with a term that traditionally implies the reward for piety, good deeds, and charitable work. They have adopted as a state symbol the menorah (candlebrum). What hypocrisy, what perversion it is to have the Israeli army fight under an emblem, the meaning of which is explained in the Tenach (on the occasion of a previous return to the Holy Land) as, “not with armed force and not with power, but in My spirit says the Lord of Hosts.”

  • Emese

    Neither the founder of political Zionism nor any of the prime ministers of the Zionist state believed in the divine origin of the Torah nor even in the existence of God. All prime ministers were members of a party that opposed religion in principle and that considered the Bible a document of ancient folklore, devoid of any religious meaning. And yet these same Zionists base their claim to the Holy Land on this same Bible, the divine origin of which they deny. At the same time they conveniently forget the Jewish holiday prayer “and for our sins have we been exiled from our land,” and ignore the fact that the present exile of the Jewish people is divinely decreed and that the Jewish people are neither commanded nor permitted to conquer or rule the Holy Land before the coming of the Messiah.

  • Emese

    One of the basic aims of Zionism is aliyah, the immigration to the Zionist state of Jews from all countries. Nevertheless, during the past few years hundreds of thousands of Israelis have outgathered themselves from the Zionist paradise, and American Jews have “voted with their feet” and have chosen not to be ingathered. These Jews recognize that the Zionist state is in fact nothing but a giant ghetto.
    Instead of being able to render assistance to Jewish communities in other countries, American Jews have been mobilized to concentrate on helping the Zionist state, making the USA the real and major source of Zionist power and influence. The Zionists, true to the nature of their movement, rely on technical superiority and on a forbidding military deterrent provided largely by the USA for their security.
    Nothing could be farther from the true ideals of the Jewish people. The Jewish people were chosen in the first place “for you are the leas of all nations.” As the Psalm says, “they rely on vehicles and horsepower, but we invoke the name of the Eternal, our God.”

  • Rabbi Schmutzfink

    Jews are the special chosen people of G-d.
    It is written in our holy book, the Tanakh.
    You may think it’s a mixture of fairy tales, bullshit and the nightmares of prophets on crack, but we believe in it as long as it serves our purpose: ruling the world and spit on the goyim.
    And you though the “antisemites” were the bad guys.

  • Sophie

    Erik, I don’t give a hoot about what might make you an Azeri hater. And frankly, the point of your analogy eludes me. Hungary haters, on my usage, are those of you who miss no opportunity, indeed, they create some most unlikely ones, to run down this beautiful, valiant country.
    Dozsa: where has Dr Morvai ‘admitted to making the comment’? You would have sourced your claim, if it had a source. And you are quite wrong to claim that the world is little interested in Hungary or Dr Morvai. The re-emergence of nationalism in Central Europe is a constant theme of the Anglophone media. Hungary’s Jobbik and Dr Morvai get more attention than any other instance of that resurgence. (Check – it’s all online.) As expected, nationalist movements, and Jobbik in particular, are dubbed ‘extreme right wing’, ‘anti-gypsy’ and ‘antisemitic’. The dubbing occurs without illustration. Had Dr Morvai been unwise enough to have given them illustrative material, they would certainly have run with it, frothing triumphantly. No, Dozsa: nationalists are patriots, no matter how vulgar you become in your efforts to run them down.

  • Dozsa

    Sorry Sophie, you are correct, Morvai merely
    played the “Won’t admit, won’t deny” game when MTI
    asked her about the comment.
    http://www.gondola.hu/cikkek/65465 But seriously,
    do you know how much effort it takes to make
    somebody a “Hungary hater?” A lot. First of all,
    you need to learn an awful lot about Hungary, and
    not many people would do that if they were not
    postitively predisposed to a nation. Most people
    have a good impression of Hungary until they stick
    their heads into the deeper corners and find that
    there is rot like the Jobbik and the “nationalist”
    far right stinking up the country. It’s like
    having a burst pipe in your flat: it’s small, it’s
    annoying, but it makes it so the whole house
    smells rotten. And that is what you and your
    Jobbik ilk are doing for the EU.
    The “importance” of Hungary’s right wing? Well,
    the coalition of right wing nationalist parties,
    such as the BNP, French National Front, and
    Flemish Block are all hoping for a right wing
    larger coalition in the EU Parliament, but
    unfortunately those countries’ voters are unlikely
    to fall for the bait of voting en masse for shrill
    and ignorant nationalists. However, in Hungary
    people have not had much in the way of comepetant
    alternatives in politics, and so the Jobbik gain
    votes by default. Jobbik is simply not intelligent
    enough to know that they can’t rebrand themselves
    as simple “nationalists” while having the Garda
    marching around in Neo-Nazi cosplay. They fool
    nobody beyond the borders of Hungary.

  • Emese

    “Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me”
    Most countries in the west the media has already brain washed the people to believe a lie. But many Hungarians are still not under the trance of the west.

  • JD

    “Hungary haters, on my usage, are those of you who miss no opportunity, indeed, they create some most unlikely ones, to run down this beautiful, valiant country.”
    Sorry Sophie, where is it you actually live?
    Emese you quite clearly nearly as bonkers as Krisztina Morvai. Your rants remind me of the drunken tramps who shout at the world drunk in the Metro whilst shitting in their own pants.

  • Emese

    @JD here is a pic of you..
    http://tinyurl.com/oce4zk

  • Camille

    dear emese, sophie and other hungarian citizens.
    Allow me a question : dow you pay taxes? If your are employers, do you fully declare your employees? If not, how do you plan to love your country?

  • Emese
  • JD

    Yes Emese, that’s right, both of them are me.
    Now back in your box for some rest.

  • Sophie

    Dozsa, the site to which you gave me the link makes this claim: ‘Morvai Krisztina az MTI kérdésére, csütörtöki SAJTÓTÁJÉKOZTATÓJA UTÁN azt mondta …’. So the claim is that she played what you call the ‘Won’t admit, won’t deny’ game AFTER her press conference. Err … Did no-one during the press conference confront her with the obscene text she is alleged to have written? If not, why not? It seems to me that the logical inference is that no journalist there trusted the veracity of the source of the allegation. And you must admit, that source is more than a little obscure. Besides, Dr Morvai’s remarks to the effect that she recognises no obligation to justify her private correspondence IS MERELY ALLEGED (by your linked article) TO PERTAIN TO THE OBSCENE TEXT attributed to her. Oh, dear!
    And, come on, Dozsa! You cannot take yourself seriously when you say that Jobbik has ‘the Garda marching around in Neo-Nazi cosplay’. (By the way, that is exactly what the Anglo media inevitably claim.) You surely know that the Garda uniform is traditional Hungarian country-side wear (loose white shirt, black vest and trousers), and that its red-and-white-striped flag abstracts exactly that which constitutes about one-third of the Hungarian Escutcheon’s design.
    I shan’t address your nationalism paranoia. That speaks for itself.

  • Dozsa

    Sophie, you can play with words all you want, and
    you are probably deluded enough to believe
    yorself, but the Jobbik uniform is not some form
    of traditional Hungarian attire, unless the period
    of the Arrow Cross defines the sartorial history
    of Hungary. White shirt and dark pants? Quite
    lame. And you can get a box of crayons and design
    new Hungarian flags all you want, but the flag of
    Hungary is Red, White, and Green. Bargain basement
    off-copies of the Arrow Cross flag were revived
    during the 1990s skinhead era and seen for what
    they were – provocational skinhead psycho-theater
    - and have nothing to do with Arpad’s flag. Which
    leads to this: you know, and we know, that these
    are Arrow Cross symbols. Which is to say, symbols
    for losers who wish to drag the Hungarians down
    the drain with them – you are never happy going
    down the drain alone. You want to drag the
    Hungarian nation down with you. Luckily, you’ll
    fail – because you are losers.

  • Emese

    @Sophie, Hungarians are all aware of the real version as you so well explain about the alleged play on words are obviously a media prank trying to smear Krisztina, dont waste your time with these morans, just state the facts, these tribe members are fanatics or far left radicals trying to hide behind the veil of democracy and freedom, which is a facade.
    Szebb Jovot.. Looking forward to the reults this evening :))

  • Sophie

    Emese, spot on! But I quite enjoy rubbing the noses of the tribe into it all, so I’m not really wasting my time. It’s amazing how bereft they are of anything sensible to say, and more amazing still that they think there is ground to be gained in yaa-booing and insults.
    Dozsa, where was I playing with words … in that I demonstrated the risibly inadequacy as evidence against Dr Morvai of the link you posted? Why don’t you try to demonstrate otherwise? Not possible?
    Camille: I am not a Hungarian citizen, and I have never been a permanent resident in Hungary. But a time might come when my tiszta Magyar ethnicity will be recognised as a valid basis for citizenship, Trianon notwithstanding. So technically, Hungary is not my country. But I still love it, so lump your right to question my inclination to defend it.

  • Viking

    Sophie and Emese,
    Where did Morvai speak about Zionists?
    Just answer that simple question.
    Zionism was created in the late 1800, so what are you so afraid of?
    After answering that question, you are welcome to answer the question that if you ‘Tiszta Magyars’ would have been made Christian 500 years before, you would all have been Jews first.
    A frighting thought?

  • JD

    Sophie, you idiotic hypocrite.
    You spout praise of Hungary as a beautiful, valiant country, the rights of Hungarians, the infidels that dilute your pure Hungarian country and you don’t even live here!!
    You don’t pay tax here, you don’t have to put up with the nonsense here and its fairly unlikely that you have seen the neo-nazi march of the Garda at close quarters. I have, and I have seen the types it attracts. It is very very worrying.
    With your prose and attempts of intelligent comments, you would be hung out to dry by this neanderthal Garda.
    My advice would be to stay at your safe comfortable distance and enjoy the freedom it brings. It’s so kind of you that you would happily condemn Hungary to the rule of these facists and all that would bring.
    And you say you love Hungary?

  • Sophie

    Tell you what, JD: Consider that I have hijacked the text falsely attributed to Dr Morvai, and that I am addressing it to you, with immediate effect.

  • JD

    Sounds just about your level Sophie!

  • Viking

    Sophie,
    So, you are just another BNP-bastard.
    Where are all ‘Tiszta Magyars’ when you need them?

  • Emese

    HAJRA MAGYARORSZAG! HAJRA MAGYAROK!
    Szebb Jovot!!

  • Viking

    Emese,
    You lost your English communication skills?
    Were my questions to hard to answer so you went into a shock?

  • Sophie

    Oh, yikes! A Ha’aretz charge already! This usually respectable Israeli daily has run with the ‘obscene post’ story — utterly unbothered with the need to source it. Do take a look at the bubbling cauldron of hate for Hungarians in this little talk-back number: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1090959.html. I think I shall demand an anti-Hungarianism law.

  • Viking

    Sophie,
    “The spokesman for the Fidesz party Robert Repassi described Morvay as “inconceivable and anti-Semitic,” and voiced hope that she would issue an apology” (Your link)
    So the real winners of today’s EP-election are wrong? They are suppose to represent the will of the people voting in this Hungarian EP-election.
    I voted here in Hungary, did you?
    Sophie,
    “I think I shall demand an anti-Hungarianism law”
    Where? In Hungary, in Israel, in the EP, or in the UK where you live?
    Would you ban Fidesz in that new law?

  • Sophie

    fake-Viking: The only source of the Répassi verdict on Dr Morvai seems to be the Ha’aretz itself. This relentless slandering of her is so far a tribe-internal job. I wonder if it will manage to promote broader uptake? My anti-Hungarianism law is badly needed. Of course, it goes wherever an antisemitism law has ambitions. I really cannot be bothered with your other ‘questions’. (Are you senile, or just pretending?)

  • Gulliver

    It is now confirmed beyond any reasonable doubt: “Emese” is non other than our old friend, the plagiarist Csikos Laszlo, aka. HOTPAPRIKA.
    This can be clearly seen from the comments made above (EMESE, June 7, 12:30 AM), which are, as usual, lifted without attribution from the SAME EXACT web site Hotpaprika regularly uses for spiritual reference. http://www.askrealjesus.com/G_CHALLENGE/Inconsistencies2.html
    Csikos Laszlo, you should read your rights:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_warning
    Yours truly:

  • Viking

    Dear Sophie,
    You seem to be the only one who deny Morvai’s statement and you do not even live in Hungary, as the rest of us.
    Is this something you learn in the BNP-Party School – To repeat a lie until it becomes true?
    If you think that Fidesz would make an official statement without having the sources correct in this case, then you definitely do not understand Hungarian politics.
    How would you define your “anti-Hungarianism” law?
    And how does that correspond to ‘Free Speech’ that you BNP-guys love to speak about?

  • Sophie

    You have nailed it at last, fake-Viking: ‘To repeat a lie until it becomes true’. That is exactly what the tribe always does. (I do not understand why you are blithering on about the BNP. But your reasoning processes are very far from lucid. Please don’t foist them on my attention.)

  • Viking

    Dear Sophie,
    So why do you behave like a ‘tribe member’ then?
    What is so bad with Morvai’s statement?
    I just saw Vona Gabor’s victory speech on Hungarian M1 and inside the first 30 seconds he got in “Israeli helicopters” and Morvai in her speech could not leave out Palestine in the first 10 seconds.
    Is the Middle East now in the European Union?
    Sure these guys did not mix up the European Union with the European Broadcasting Union, with its Euro-vision Song Contest?
    In the end these ‘hints’ will not go home in the Hungarian cottages, they are to ‘internal’ to you BNP-guys with your coward tribe-thing.
    Why not speak plainly?

  • Godot

    Viking:
    “What is so bad with Morvai’s statement?”
    Nothing. I like it as it is.
    “Is the Middle East now in the European Union?”
    Apparently jews run the EU.
    Here’s a quote from Haaretz (in case you don’t know why Israel is not very popular):
    “A Foreign Ministry official has been warning European countries that unless they curtail criticism of Benjamin Netanyahu’s government, Israel will block the European Union from participating in the diplomatic process with the Palestinians.”
    WTF???
    Look at the size of that tiny country and the humongous arrogance. What’s wrong with that picture?

  • John Simpson

    It seems that hate attacks can only be committed against one race of people for anybody else it does not count….

  • Viking

    Godot,
    So why did you not defend the ‘misunderstood’ Morvai against Sophie’s attacks – that she never said that at all?
    Nice to know that one can always count on Godot/Stan and John Simpson in Eastern Hungary to support all bad speaking about any other than people like me – blue-eyed Arians.
    Stan, next time true to find a photo that comes even close to me…

  • Godot

    Viking:
    “why did you not defend the ‘misunderstood’ Morvai against Sophie’s attacks – that she never said that at all?”
    Now you’re getting confused. Take a break or two.
    We’ll get by without you being here 24/7.
    Why should I defend Morvai? I have no proof if the quote is really from her or someone else, but it doesn’t matter, I like it for its lack of political correctness and keen observations, that’s all that matters.
    And you’re no more Arian than your rabbi.

  • Viking

    Godot/Stan,
    I am as much a blue-eyed Arian as my pentecostal upbringing in Sweden.
    Obviously nothing one can say about you, just a typical self-hating Jew, so obsessed you are with them. Probably your Father was Roma, given your problem with them.
    Anyway I will go to bed now, so you can do your 2 liners without interference.

  • NickGriffinsCerebellum

    “I would be greatly pleased if those who call themselves proud Hungarians played in their leisure with their tiny circumcised dicks, instead of besmirching me. Your kind of people are used to seeing all of our kind of people stand to attention and adjust to you every time you fart. Would you kindly acknowledge this is now OVER. We have raised our head up high and we shall no longer tolerate your kind of terror. We shall take back our country.”
    Take out one word and it could be an early quote from an Avar, Ostrogoth, Lombard, Gepid or some other poor bastard who had to move over to let Árpád and his mates settle down.
    Europe for Europeans. No bleeding slitty eyed Asians thank you very much.

  • Sophie

    Godot, thank goodness for you! You are brilliant! Recognition of this came with the helpless laughter this post of yours provoked: ‘Viking:
    “What is so bad with Morvai’s statement?” Nothing. I like it as it is’.

  • Viking

    Sophie,
    So today you do not think that her statement was part of a Jewish conspiracy?
    Do you really think that I thought Stan would denounce her statement? He is like you, can he find a reason to insult Jews and Roma he will run an extra mile for that opportunity.

  • Lacho Calad

    Géza Jeszenszky actually reveals himself talking from the moral high ground. He points out that Morvai rant is specifically unworthy from a woman. A woman shouldent write like that, accordingly to him.
    But maybe it was about time that hungarian women gives the finger to a society that structurally have made them vitims. They (ie. women) have been the first to suffer form a decadent society (especially making the female body an object).
    So, one might argue that Morvais rant it was over the top – but it was about time that a hungarian woman said: NO – and used aggressive male language.

  • Eli

    Krisztina Morvai did not say “…with their tiny circumcised dicks”! At least not according to the original article in Ha’aretz. I still have the Sunday issue where it was printed. She said “…with their tiny circumcised tails”, which is a totally different issue; don’t you think?

  • Dozsa

    “nagyon örvendenék, ha a magukat ‘büszke magyar
    zsidóknak’ titulálók szabadidejükben aprócska metélt
    farkincájukkal játszadoznának az én gyalázásom
    helyett”. Morvai Krisztina. What a class act. So
    what’s with the tsunami of Jobbik’s English language
    international web brigade going silly over obviously
    anti-semitic insults all of a sudden? Haven’t you
    found something better on TV yet? Or is slagging on
    Jews the only tune you know? What a way to warm your
    way into the hearts of Europe’s center voters!

  • http://roamerw1972@yahoo.com Roamer

    Thank you for copying the original post here. Let us translate this word by word.”nagyon örvendenék, ha a magukat ‘büszke magyar zsidóknak’ titulálók szabadidejükben aprócska metélt farkincájukkal játszadoznának az én gyalázásom helyett”
    “I would be very glad if those individuals who call themselves ‘proud Hungarian Jews’ would play with their tiny circumcised tails in their free time instead of constantly slandering me”. That is exactly what she said. Note the quotation marks. So obviously all those commenters who try to say that she was talking about Jews in general is not telling the truth or distorting the facts to justify their anti-Semitism screaming. She was NOT talking about ALL Jews. She was talking about INDIVIDUALS who CALL THEMSELVES ‘proud Hungarian Jews’ who SLANDERED her. Huge difference. She was talking about the fact that she was CONSTANTLY slandered and libeled BEFORE she wrote this. What would YOU dear anti-Semitism screaming commenter say if someone constantly told nasty lies about you? Would not you defend yourself? Would not you question the other person’s personal abilities (even their sanity). Would not you scream anti-Semitism right away? Why does she not have the right to say something strong to those who constantly spread lies about her? Any normal human being should have that right even those commenters here who scream their heads off and pointing fingers. And by the way: for your information, her husband IS a Hungarian Jew

  • Dozsa

    Roamer: Dear Dickwad. There is a thing called
    “idiomatic language” that is inherent in every
    language. We who read Hungarian can understand
    what Baroness Morvai was saying and why the
    Hungarian press (which, by the way, is not Jewish,
    nor is Jeszensky Geza) was astoundingly offended
    by. The reason this is somewhat of an issue is
    that it is, without any question of
    interpretation, a case of an antisemitic tirade by
    somebody who is about to have to answer for it in
    a bigger political arena. So Morvai, always
    seeking the center stage, chose this path which
    will stick to her in the EU parliament. And she is
    a mouthpiece for an anti-semite party and
    ideology. Whether you want to spout on and on
    about Palestine has nothing to do with it (indeed,
    Budapest had a large Palestinian community until
    pre-Jobbik Magyar skinheads drove out many of the
    once large Budapest Arab community in the mid
    1990s by the simple practicer of beating them up
    in the streets) And Hungarian Jews have every
    right to be proud Hungarians, it is only the scum
    like Jobbik that call their role in this nation
    into question.

  • http://roamerw1972@yahoo.com Roamer

    Dear Dozsa; Excuse me, I did not call you any names. I was not even addressing you. I was referring to all people in this conversation who started screaming anti-Semitism. In your rant you were not answering any one of my questions, but instead you kept slandering Jobbik who obviously you mistakenly identify with some skinheads. Nothing can be further from the truth. You would be probably very surprised if I said that Jobbik is more of a left leaning party? However, statistics clearly show that. About half of the disappointed MSZP voters (the true believers of social justice and equal opportunity for everyone, even for Hungarians in their own country) got fed up with the lies and the smear campaigns of their ‘wonderful’ Hungarian government whose members look out for their own interest instead of looking out for the people who they represent and voted for Jobbik. Jobbik is actually a grassroot movement that builds from the bottom and they were the only ones who actually reached out to the average Hungarian during their campaign. You know they learned community organizing and reaching out to the people. You would be surprised again if I say they learned this from Barack Obama’s campaign? I highly recommend you checking their program before you make any more false statements that entices hatred against Hungarians. As for Geza Jeszenszky, I am sorry, but I would not even comment on that idiot. Not because what he said here, but because of his past. Have a good day.

  • http://mclean Geza Cseri

    Hungarians, Hungarians,Magyarok. Let’s stop this childish counter productive rhetoric. Let us elevate ourselves at a much higher level. Stop any and all name calling which leads to no where. All who lives in Hungary is a HUNGARIAN,and some outside, -Protestant, of which I am one, Catholic, Jewish , czigany, Toth, whatever. Hungary has been a melting pot through the centuries, a haven for the oppressed. Let us continue that role. We are a nation of many. Being a Magyar is an idea, a feeling, a destiny. What counts is one’s honesty,respect for one another in every sense, positive contribution to society as a whole, giving one’s self for the betterment of all without twarting individual initiatives and freedom. STOP THE NYILASOZAST, FASZISTAZAST AND THE ZSIDOZAST. Let’s GROW UP and plan the future together, united for a better tomorrow.Let us use our GOD given talents to advance the nation into the future and let us not waste them on useless blaming. Let us look into ourself before we put blame on others. Every one of us is guilty for not doing our honest best. Using JF Kennedy’s saying ” ask not what your country can do for you but ask what can you do for your country”. That should be the motto of every Magyar. Do the very best you can and through hard work you will succeed as well as the nation. Look always for the possibilities. Mi az ami lehet.Isten Aldasat Kerve.
    Geza Cseri
    Former Science and Technology
    Advisor to Supreme Allied Commander of NATO

  • Wally Right

    She’s just another feminazi in a black pantsuit, trying to be Hungary’s answer to Hitlery Cunton.
    Her comment was very funny, and I’m sorry her husband was unable to satisfy her, however Jewish men are well-known to be considerate and passionate lovers, so much so that many gentile women seek out Jewish men for this reason.

  • JD

    Actually I thought that Dozsa’s comment on the June 9, 2009 1:37 AM was quite a good one.
    Geza Cseri, although your sentiments are laudable and very true and honest, they are unfortunately lost on the majority of Hungarians who believe that talking about things until they forgot what they were talking about in the first place is the way to make change.
    This country not only lacks true leadership (one of the reason the far right with their blinkered views gain traction) but also, I fear, lacks the ability to create leadership. What you describe is a heightened state of self awareness that seems almost impossible for Hungarians to achieve. And if they do they quickly realise they should leave Hungary and make a life elsewhere.
    The turn-around in my opinion needs to be an environment where to cheat, to scam, to look out for yourself is NOT the only way to get ahead. An environment where paying the correct taxes, doing the right thing is not a punitive disadvantage but a livable alternative.
    As with any business, the attitude starts at the top. If the person or people in charge cheat, scam and look after themselves this permeates right through society as an example of how to behave (and here the vicious cycle begins). This behaviour of the government becomes all the more worrying when parties like Jobbik have influence.
    Hungary is a very lost nation, unfortunately my life is too short to wait for it to find itself.

  • http://mclean Geza Cseri

    JD, I agree with you in general but I disagree with your last statement of giving up because life is too short. Now, you are acting like the rest of them, therefore you have very little to say. If you give up participation then in fact you de-franchized your self from the process. If you do not vote, you have no right to complain about the status of the nation. We need bold, strong visionary persevering leadership that takes into account the whole nation, the whole fabric of the society.We are one body. We are not any better then the other person, we just have different talents,capabilities and callings. We must know what they are and use them for the good of all. Leadership is at all levels in area of our life.There is such a thing as rebirth.
    Let us not give up or in. Once you do that you are finished.The Motto- NEM. NEM. SOHA is still valid.

  • JD

    Perhaps Geza Cseri, but I am not saying I am giving up, I’m just not wishing to waste my time on a lost cause.
    No more than King Canute could really stop the tide from making his feet wet, my approach is not to bang my head against a brick wall again and again to hope that eventually it breaks.
    No, my life is too short to live in that futile hope and if I have a problem then I will find another solution. That is not giving up, that is just finding a solution that works.
    As I mentioned, this change needs to come from the top. I believe that type of leadership should come from within Hungary.
    Unfortunately with Hungarians dogmatic thinking, this could take generations to emerge. As Einstein said “No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it.”

  • Roamer

    @JD
    “The turn-around in my opinion needs to be an environment where to cheat, to scam, to look out for yourself is NOT the only way to get ahead. An environment where paying the correct taxes, doing the right thing is not a punitive disadvantage but a livable alternative.”
    I agree with this statement 100%.
    “As with any business, the attitude starts at the top.”
    Unfortunately, I have to partially disagree. Yes, in business attitude comes from the top. However, a country should not be treated as business. A country is a body of human beings with their own ideas that should be listened to and taken into consideration. When politics build from the bottom to the top, that is a grassroot movement, the very basic element of democracy. Well organized communities are the fundamental part of a liveable country. Jobbik is a grassroot movement that is built from the bottom and their leaders learned this from Barack Obama’s campaign. Associating them with skinheads and neo-nazis are totally unfounded.
    “This behaviour of the government becomes all the more worrying when parties like Jobbik have influence.”
    Why is it that some people are so afraid of Jobbik? Jobbik said it very clearly that they have no problem with hard working, honest people who are willing to work for the Hungarian interests. Their major problem is with the criminal elite who cheated, lied and scammed people in the last 20 years destroying thousands and thousands of them financially.
    Honesty, integrity needs to come now.

  • Viking

    Roamer,
    “Jobbik said it very clearly that they have no problem with hard working, honest people who are willing to work for the Hungarian interests”
    I am both “hard working” and “honest”, but I have no interest “to work for the Hungarian interests”.
    I do want to work for the European cause, because that is the way this continent can stay out of war at home. We must be better in solving the internal problems we have due to the several hundred years of regional wars, but that means that no one will get everything.
    That is why I do not want to work for “Hungarian”, “Slovak” or “Swedish” interests, just European.
    So will Jobbik have a problem with me?

  • Attila the Hun

    It’s time for the EU to consider Hungarians interests, as a people and community first, not interests of Multi Elitism..

  • Viking

    Attila the Hun,
    Why should Hungarians be different from Swedes, Romanians and Germans?
    Your horses do not find their way back to Central-Asia, where the bad Chinese wait to whip your asses, as in the old time?
    That is why you came here in the first place and we let you join us. Now you are a part of us.

  • Roamer

    When Hungarians (and most likely the rest of the member nations) voted to join the EU they did not vote for the current situation. Currently there is a battle going on within the EU that was decided over 200 years ago in the US, that is, how much rights a state (or member country) and how much the Fed (the EU) can have. People in many countries think that the EU already has way too many rights and it encroaches on the national sovereignty of the member nations. It is clear that many people are very disappointed in the ways the EU handles many things such as the question of culture, national identity, heritage, ethnic minorities. Moreover, many decision makers in the EU are not informed well enough about the reality in the member countries because some of these countries power elites intentionally kept them unaware of some vital things that are the interests of that certain nation. For example: the interest of the Hungarian minorities were absolutely not discussed before Romania or Slovakia was allowed to join the EU. In other words, Hungarian politicians did not raise objections. Also, the question of Hungarian land and water supply needs to be renegotiated and a more fair deal given to the Hungarians. In the US land is owned by the individual states that they lease to the Federal Government that lets big corporations use the land. However, the Fed must compensate the state by giving a big share from the yield of the land to the citizens of that state. These are the.. cont.

  • Roamer

    …interests I was talking about. There are many more that mainly has to do with the fair treatment of Hungarian owned businesses in their own country. In other words, a huge multinational corporation should not be given any advantage over the local companies. They already have enough capital and connections to make their businesses happen in any region they choose to go. They do not need extra ‘perks’. It is a false illusion that all the Hungarian governments had in the past 20 years when they thought that giving these perks would attract capital and create jobs. Nothing could be further from the truth. Giving these perks actually created an unfair competition between the newly joined member countries driving down their ‘price’ and giving up most of their interests. These ‘foreign investors’ who came to Hungary in the last 20 years did nothing but sucked out every dime they made from the country and created corporate fascism where an average worker had no rights and no say so. This needs to be changed and it is a Hungarian (or Romanian, Slovakian, Polish, etc.) national interest to crack down on corporate fascism that deprives workers from their human rights, produces mediocre quality products and in most cases harms the environment. In my opinion, people who voted for the European Union, voted for the Europe of nations, not the Europe of corporations. Unfortunately, the Hungarian politicians ignored the will of the people and now it is time to start investigating them.

  • Mihaly

    @Roamer …. Beautifully written “people who voted for the European Union, voted for the Europe of nations, not the Europe of corporations. ”
    These words explain real meaning of Demoracy for Europe!

  • Mihaly

    Your under an false illusion JD lead by the corporations of Europe not the people of Europe. Real people are the voice not the corporations.
    The people have a new light of hope.
    A revolution of people power!

  • Sophie

    Roamer, well said: ‘These ‘foreign investors’ who came to Hungary in the last 20 years did nothing but sucked out every dime they made from the country and created corporate fascism where an average worker had no rights and no say so. This needs to be changed and it is a Hungarian (or Romanian, Slovakian, Polish, etc.) national interest to crack down on corporate fascism that deprives workers from their human rights, produces mediocre quality products and in most cases harms the environment.’
    You have identitied the point and purpose of contemporary nationalism in Hungary. People of your intellectual calibre are precious, not least on this blog. I hope to read much more from you.

  • JD

    Unfortunately Sophie, if you had just a little more insight in the Hungarian psyche and a little more understanding of the Hungarian tax and bureaucratic system you might actually realise why products produced here are often are mediocre in quality and corporations try to get their money the hell out of this country as fast as they can.
    The foreign investor/business multi-national animal will do what is right for it’s business, it is down to the Hungarian government to make the business conditions right.
    And who forms and votes the Hungarian government in?
    Hungarians of course.
    Any country who’s government behaved the way Hungary’s does in terms of bureaucracy, tax, corruption and social infrastucture will get exactly what Hungary is getting from multi-nationals/foreign investors.
    Hungary has to sort it’s own problems out, things will happily fall into place after that.

  • Mister Language Person

    JD,
    The word you are looking for is “its” not “it’s”.

  • wolfi

    @Dozsa, JD, Viking
    I applaud you for your efforts to talk in a sane way to these mad(wo)men out there, but on the other hand there might be worthier issues in Europe and Hungary to stand for…
    Leave those Jobbik, Slovak, BNP, Magyar Garda and all other extremists to maybe fight among themselves about who has the right to live where…
    I remember being told by my father, who was a protestant from northern Germany, that he had problems in his “mixed marriage” with that beautiful catholic girl from southern Germany (aka my mother), not with her family but with the Priests of both sides.
    Nowadays we don’t even care about religion – i never asked my Hungarian partner about her confession and i am an atheist anyway

  • JD

    Thank you Mister Language Person, nice to see you are paying close attention :).
    Wolfi, you may be right and thanks for the support.

  • Ricsi

    Roamer@ Sorry for only reading your comments just now,but you have contributed the most logical and clear comments to this thread so far,well done sir.

  • Pávaszem

    @Mariska: “Was that actually her??” Of course not. Among many other things she is also a lawyer that would never make a mistake like that even if she had the time and interest to send nasty emails to nobodies in New York. It’s a Zionist hoax. As a public figure she can also not sue for libel that the hatchet wielding bastards know as well as they know their douche bag public. Just look at the joy with which they accept this con job as gospel truth. “As much as I dislike her” Why do you dislike her? Any Hungo pol better? Who is worse? Do you think she’ll die like Anna Lindh or Haider?
    @Viking: “my pentecostal upbringing in Sweden” Pentecostal? A. k. a. ‘Christian Zionist’ such as the Hit gyülekezete http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hit_Gy%C3%BClekezete ? Thanks, no further explanation is needed…

  • Viking

    Roamer,
    I will address your post when I have some more time.
    Pávaszem,
    I do not what you are writing about.
    I am an Atheist, I referred to my upbringing.
    Maybe that made me become a real anti-Zionist, I do not know, or it was the socio-liberal society I grew up in?
    In difference to you right-wing riff-raff I can make a distinction between a Jew and a Zionist.
    Zionism is a political movement which, in the same way MIEP/Jobbik supports, a racist ideology that people that belongs to a certain ‘race’ (no DNA asked of course) are superior.
    You guys just swap ‘Jew’ for ‘Hungarian/Magyar’, the basic superior ideology is the same.

  • Realist

    @Pávaszem
    Thanks for highlighting some interesting facts, keep them coming, about time we can start to express ourselves, we are waking up to the scandal that is occurring in Hungary and globally, time to reveal the directors of the theatre.

  • Viking

    Realist, Sophie & Pávaszem,
    Could anyone of you link to a statement where Morvai said she did not write this?
    Your Hungarian friends do not support you in your claim that she did not write this, just ask fabian, ricsi and the others. They are on the other hand very pleased that she wrote this, but maybe they are also just Mossad-agents?

  • Sophie

    Of course you are right, Pávaszem. The allegation was a Zionist hoax, and a pretty poor one at that. Godot, Ricsi et al. did a brilliant job of turning the tables on with a belly laugh. Give up, Viking et al.

  • Viking

    Sophie,
    Until I see a statement on Jobbik.com that this was a hoax I trust the stomach-feeling of fabian.
    Knowing Jobbik, they would clearly use this ‘hoax’ as a perfect vehicle to get free PR.
    So far nothing…

  • fabian

    Viking@Hoax or not hoax–it really did not matter–she got into power! Get over it.
    Look at a real translation,the words were in coma’s to emphasise her sarcasm at so called ‘patriotic Hungarians’–thus she is in no real sense referring to all jews,she even married one for christ sake! Now let us move on please….

  • Viking

    fabian,
    Thanks for your support, but my problem is not what she wrote so much, but with the “Deniers” of that she wrote it at all.
    Regarding the question of being married to a Jew:
    ———-
    Q: “What about your husband, György Baló? Among the radical right, he would typically be considered “one of their kind”. In those circles they’re always talking about who might be an agent.”
    A: “The best thing for the children is when both parents are there for them, but we no longer live together as a couple. We live in the same house, but in two separate households.”
    ———-
    Can be found at http://www.hetivalasz.com/article/0905/i_am_not_a_member_of_the_hungarian_guard
    ———–
    Obviously it is not that fun…

  • John Boy TKD

    Emese / Sophie. Frankly, it terrifies me that you exist. Your anti Jewish paranoia is simply going to exacerbate the problems. It is a sort of “We are in deep shit, lets throw rocks” mentality. I simply cannot understand why there cannot a sensible discussion describing methods of fighting corruption, creating accountability, reducing taxes, promoting enterprise, raising health and educational standards. No, in your world it is “Life is hard, let’s blame the Jews”. In all of your antisemetic rhetoric you have produced not a single economic or social suggestion which would actually create solutions to problems. You support right wing nationalist politics – we all know where that led the last time round; 6 years of horrific world war and 50 years of communist oppression. I fully expect you to respond with a link to some insulting picture, or copy and paste some racially charged article from a right wing academic. You simply have no argument of your own. Hungary’s problems are tax (and it’s non payment), poor management, corruption in business and bad econimic policy. I was born in a country where guns and bombs were the rule of law until the 1990′s (PS – there are no Jews/muslims there either), where a divided society promoted deeper division and hatred and people dished out vigilante justice. It ruined the country. Once those wounds were healed the country went on to become one of the richest in Europe. Divided society = long term decline. United socitey =long term prospertiy.

  • fabian

    JohnboyTKD@ Ireland is now on the verge of bankruptcy as is the UK,so no,you did not become ‘one of the richest…’,or rather just temporarily! LOL-

  • John Boy TKD

    Fabian – you are indeed correct. But is is still a whole lot better than it was. The problem there was that people believed in the credit cycle. Still, we dont blame anybody but ourselves!!

  • Sophie

    John Boy TKD, I readily agree with you that a divided society is in a bad condition. I put it to you, however, that a society is also in a bad condition when one ethnic group dominates it politically and economically, and serves the interests of that ethnic group, not of the nation. This has been the case in post- Soviet Hungary since Gyurcsány. The bad economic policies, the aggressive selling of Hungarian real estate to Israelis, etc., are all squarely the work of that still-dominant ethnic group. Hungarians are having no more of it. Like Putin corrected the same situation in Russia, so Jobbik, and probably Fidész, will. You, however, threaten that Hungary will get it in the neck with another horrific war, and another rabidly Hungarian-hating regime, if it dares to raise its nationalistic head. Well, damn you and your hopes!

  • John Boy TKD

    Sophie – I absolutely support anybody who beleves in promoting the health and wealth of their own country. I completely believe in free capatilism. I cannot abide money grabbing scroungers / dole queue specialists. I fully support an individuals right to their opinion, and while I disagree with alot of what you say I totally support your right to say it. I totally agree with you that there should be equal opportunity for all. However I simply dont believe that Hungary is a country where the odds are so stacked against non Jews that they cannot be successful. By the same argument that we should not be singling out Jews for this type of treatment, I also firmly believe that Roma should not be given additional social benefits. I simply believe in a level plaing field where we all have the same rights, and where freedoms (including yours) are protected. Sophie, you are clearly not stupid, and I appreciate that you are passionate in your arguments. Can you accept that by and large, main stream politics in seems to give the best solution to the most beficiaries. Yes, there will be things that make you feel sick to your stomach, (UK expenses scandal, Hungarian Socialist lies etc) but we all get a pretty good standard of living, food on the table and a few holidays each year in return for being tolerant. By the way, we Irish, quite a few English, tons of Spanish and a fuck load of Hungarians seem to own most of the properties in Budapest! There are some Jews in there too I think.

  • Viking

    Sophie,
    “Like Putin corrected the same situation in Russia, so Jobbik, and probably Fidész, will”
    Dream on, but you cannot compare Russia with Hungary. Laws as such and especially the implementation of the laws are very much dictated by the demands of the surviving KGB-nomenclature.
    Hungary is, compared with Russia, ruled by law. If the Hungarian law is not enough, there is the superior European law, as interpreted by the independent European Court of Justice.
    You seem to believe the election rhetoric enormously and believes probably that Jobbik will get in the position to actually influence National politics to any greater extent. Just check Nick Griffin’s old lover, Jörg Haider. How much did Austria change when that homosexual right-wing paedophile to politician’s party was in Government? Or do you think Hungarians are better Rulers than Austrians?

  • Sophie

    John Boy TKD, you ask (disingenuously?) ‘Can you accept that by and large, main stream politics in seems to give the best solution to the most beficiaries’.
    My answer: No! Just look at the stunning bank heist that the mainstream parties allowed to happen in the UK: Our mainstream politicians gave banks a staggering amount of money, indebted the country horribly, and are now cutting back on essential services, the first of them those provided by the already-cash-strapped NHS. To date, these mainstreamers have not even told us where they have borrowed the money they gave to the banks. All we know is that we shall have to pay it back. ‘Beneficiaries’? Not we, the people! And our mainstream parties are the oligarchy that is hell-bent on keeping out of Parliament anyone who might blow the whistle on them.
    And hell! Had the Hungarian law remained in place that required people to be Hungarian residents for four years before they can purchase real estate, the Irish, English, Spanish, Israelis, Americans, etc. would not be owners of it. Sadly, it did not.
    ‘There are some Jews in there too I think’: Quite a few. (Have you forgotten Simon Peres’s boast?) But that’s fine, so long as they are Hungarian Jews, not Irish, English, Spanish, Israelis, Americans, etc. Oh, this is boring.

  • Viking

    Roamer,
    “When Hungarians (and most likely the rest of the member nations) voted to join the EU they did not vote for the current situation”
    —-
    Wrong, they did, if you mean the Lisbon-treaty or something. The Lisbon-treaty is not valid any and is being accepted by each member state how each member state so choose to ratify it.
    Right if you mean that the current situation is different from how it was before. But that would be a rather stupid remark, right?
    =====
    “Currently there is a battle going on within the EU that was decided over 200 years ago in the US”
    —-
    Wrong, this battle was the main cause of the US Civil War 1861-1865.
    The US Constitution did not seal that debate/fight. It is still very vivid in the US.
    =====
    “many people are very disappointed in the ways the EU handles many things such as the question of culture, national identity, heritage, ethnic minorities”

  • Anonymous

    Ridiculous.

  • Viking

    Roamer (2),
    The example you choose did not stop you and your friends to rise those issues. That other parties did not agree with you does not give you right in the actual issue.
    =====
    “In the US land is owned by the individual states that they lease to the Federal Government”

  • Viking

    Roamer (3),
    Multis are normally big shareholder companies publicly listed on stock-exchanges. There are so many internal checks and balances to discover if people steal (which they do) so it is not possible to run a separate set of books.
    If such example exists, it is normally the local organisation which has set up its own stealing from the Mother-Company.
    =====
    “national interest to crack down on corporate fascism that deprives workers from their human rights, produces mediocre quality products and in most cases harms the environment”

  • Anonymous

    Impossible.

  • Viking

    How was it now again?
    1) Friday evening
    2) Too much alcohol
    3) A lot of no sense one-liners
    ===============================
    Yes, HP forgot his medication again.

  • Anonymous

    Nonsense.

  • su

    This Morvai character is raising my suspicions that she and her party are controlled opposition in fact installed by the very forces which they claim to oppose.

  • Knowing

    @Viking
    Just goes to prove how willfully ignorant you really are, you seem to be living the conspiracy. In this case you wont have many chances in life if you don’t wake up to the facts which are all around you that Roamer had highlighted quite eloquently. You are a waste of space in these threads, what misqualified energy, it’s sad.

  • Viking

    Knowing,
    If that was a rebuttal, then it was a “a waste of space in these threads, what misqualified energy, it’s sad.”
    Try to argue the case(s) instead, maybe you will learn something doing it?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzCOT9KQAgY Godot

    Wish you were here, Viking:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzCOT9KQAgY

  • Pávaszem

    Lapp, if you were brought up in a Swedish version of Hit gyülekezete your subconscious is still chock full of trash, QED,including subservience to the Master Race (to not mention that converting to Marxism is not much of an improvement) “In difference to you right-wing riff-raff I can make a distinction between a Jew and a Zionist” Aren’t you special? Like we cant distinguish between Orthodox, Marxist, Communist, Neocon, Zionist, Ashkenaz or Christian Zionist to just mention a few flavors that you may have heard of. Your *reindeer* are BTW ‘riff-raff’ and ‘righ-wing’ is meaningless. “You guys just swap ‘Jew’ for ‘Hungarian/Magyar’, the basic superior ideology is the same” Except ‘us guys’ don’t have a pot to piss in while the ‘Jews’ control most of our wealth and governments. Not exactly the same league, is it?

  • Pávaszem

    @Lapp (cont.) “Could anyone of you link to a statement where Morvai said she did not write this?” Morvai will neither confirm or deny your crock because she is a. a lawyer and b. too smart to walk into a trap. Learned, obviously, from what happened to Kondor, another great lady who was brought down by literally thousands of lawsuits originating similar hoaxes and libel. The Israelite hatchet job didn’t work, boohoo! You would happily believe that Morvai commutes by broomstick and drinks children’s blood, wouldn’t you? Where does all this hate come from, Lapp? “How much did Austria change when that homosexual right-wing paedophile” Another Zionist hit that went way beyond just character assassination and you are bad-mouthing its victim. You really are lower than snake shit, aren’t you, LAPP?

  • Pávaszem

    John Boy TKD, “Life is hard, let’s blame the Jews” But ‘life is hard let’s blame the Arabs or Islam’ is fine, yes? “not a single… suggestion” Suggestions galore in fact, you just don’t get it. “a divided society promoted deeper division and hatred” Your country was divided to be conquered http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divide_and_rule by the same people that divided and now rule my country. It’s just that you are so far gone you don’t even know it any more. I bet you don’t even know Irish! We have at least retained our culture (much more of us and much more of it anyway than the few thousand people that are still really Irish). By the time your Catholicism is taken away, and it’s being destroyed as we speak, you’ll be the white equivalents of the American Negro whose only identity is that of his masters. “Once those wounds were healed the country went on to become one of the richest in Europe” What a crock! I bet you’re in Hungary because you can’t even get a job flipping hamburgers back home. But even when Ireland was ‘booming’ you were just a bunch of well fed slaves and we don’t want to be slaves. And, we don’t want to be a slave nation like the Welsh and the Irish.

  • Pávaszem

    John Boy TKD, cont., “I completely believe in free capatilism” I. e. you believe that our jobs should be exported to Pariahs in India and Coolies in China which is why you can’t even get a job in the UK but you ‘completely believe in capatilism’ anyway. That’s just great, Paddy. “we all get a pretty good standard of living, food on the table and a few holidays each year in return for being tolerant” Tolerant is not the word that comes to my mind and your masters don’t even keep you well any more. What you really get is an Orwellian police state with threats 24/7 an boy is Big Brother watching you http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/avdb/news/video/87000/nb/87136_16x9_nb.ram “Irish, quite a few English, tons of Spanish… own most of the properties in Budapest!” And who *sells it them?*

  • Sid W.

    Oh to have a Ms. Morvai in America!!! How refreshing to hear a politician voice the truth for a change.

  • Grim Reaper

    @Pávaszem
    I like your style, keep up the great work in informing the public of the real events.. Cheers

  • Viking

    So now we have 2 persons who claim that Morvai did not write what she has not denied to have written?
    Does anyone really think that Morvai and Jobbik would miss the opportunity to make a big deal if someone had invented a statement of her?
    The truth is that she wrote it and she has no problem with that, so what are Pávaszem and Sophie complaining about?

  • RabbiBurns

    Morvai is like a rabbit caught in the headlights of an oncoming car. She revels in the spotlight and will do, or say anything, that keeps her at the centre of attention.
    The tired, old, controversial issues of jews, and gypsies, and Trianon, and religion etc are randomly addressed by the jew’s wife.
    These issues ostensibly engage Morvai in lieu of having anything particularly relevant to say or do about the current political and social crisis in Hungary.
    Morvai the moron whom Jobbik have accepted to be their leader is a self-seeking, self-publicising, prima donna on a par with the gay boys who paint their faces with smink and dress up in all manner of sequinned dresses and ostrich feathers whilst parading their pert bottoms on a milkfloat during Gayday for Gangbangers. Or some such…

  • schafskopf

    Oh krisztina morvai,professor of law at Elte,
    it is such a pain to see that you have to carry
    your domestic “short-comings” (your husbands jewish, circumcised carrot) into the media bloggs.
    It makes me wonder what drives you? Your wrong choice (did you not recognize whom or what you marry?)or are you actually a “planted cell”?
    have the zionist managed to infiltrate us?
    Better step aside and ggive “pure” people the chance to represent us.

  • Anonymous

    blah blah blah

  • schafskopf

    joerg haider, a drunken bi-sexuell
    horst mahler, a leftist turned right wing crank
    with homosexuell habits..
    krisztina morvai,mistress of a jew ,collecting
    dick-data..
    the list goes on and on..
    Hitler,a farting drug addict with faible for
    child porn..
    best references
    schafskopf

  • Pávaszem

    “she has not denied” That Scan Hit gyulekezete that you grew up in has brainwashed you well, Lapp… And, you are a Lapp, yes? Why do you cheat on your taxes, LAPP? Have you stopped beating your Hungarian wife? Why did rape your neighbor’s dog, Lapp? Do you miss your reindeer? “[she would] make a big deal if someone… invented [it]” WRONG. The message attributed to her is popular enough for a politician to “neither confirm nor deny” which is, may be, just one of the many reasons she doesn’t stoop to this particular Israelite crock.
    If it quacks like a rabbi and waddles like a rabbi it must be RabbiBurns! “the jew’s wife” :-)) Isn’t it a little strange for you right thinking progressive lot to all of a sudden howl about her being married to a Jew? Or is this just another attempt to smear her? Such as “on a par with the gay boys who paint their faces” Don’t you people usually *promote* homosexuality? “These issues ostensibly engage Morvai in lieu of having anything particularly relevant to say or do about the current political and social crisis in Hungary” :) A thief screaming stop thief… It’s exactly you people that fabricate issues like ‘she is married to a Jew’ or ‘wrote an obscene anti Semitic email,’ howl that she doesn’t react to them and then accuse her of not dealing with ‘real issues.’ You are as transparent as you’re ridiculous. Try again Rabbi: Hungarians are not Anglos.

  • http://www.centralbudapest.com Vándorló

    @Pávaszem: (I’ll leave your other pennames unlisted). That comment was pure internal monologue, bravo.
    Have you been reading Joyce perhaps. Sounds like part of the Cyclops (Ulysses) chapter:
    “If the man in the moon was a jew, jew, jew_ and a slut shouts out of her: –Eh, mister! Your fly is open, mister! And says he: –Mendelssohn was a jew and Karl Marx and Mercadante and Spinoza. And the Saviour was a jew and his father was a jew. Your God. –He had no father, says Martin. That’ll do now. Drive ahead. –Whose God? says the citizen. –Well, his uncle was a jew, says he. Your God was a jew. Christ was a jew like me. Gob, the citizen made a plunge back into the shop. –By Jesus, says he, I’ll brain that bloody jewman for using the holy name. By Jesus, I’ll crucify him so I will. Give us that biscuitbox here. –Stop! Stop! says Joe. ”
    For Bloom was a Jew, a Hungarian Jew too of Virág Lipoti, Szombathely (‘Promiscuous nakedness is much in evidence hereabouts, eh?’).
    Love internal monologue. The insane, such as yourself, do it so well, so authentically.

  • Godot

    Though this be madness, yet there is method
    in ‘t.

  • magy

    judas ,
    here a part answer:
    This is after all our Homeland. This is our home and this is where we are at home. We can no longer tolerate their threatening us and forcing us to work with whispers and secrets. As jurists and as educators, we have a special responsibility to prevent the loss of the independence of Hungary, the further squandering of the assets, the loss of the Hungarian arable lands and natural treasures to the hands of foreigners, the further impoverishment of the people and the deprivation of their rights and their dignity. The cheated, abandoned, bitter, Hungarian people, driven out of power, out of the economy and from the narrow elite, are expecting our help, help from the jurists. They trust that there is truth and truth will prevail. We need to be such jurists and we need to raise such jurists who love their Homeland and who are able to feel the suffering of the cheated, tormented, defenseless people who have been deprived of their rights, and who bravely and determinedly stand beside us.
    Respectfully
    Dr. Krisztina Morvai
    University Lecturer, Faculty of Political Science and Law

  • judas

    magy i do not know where this comes from.
    is this Krisztina Morvai orginal tone?
    If yes ,and lets assume it is, than the question
    immediatly arises:
    Whom actually is she fighting against?
    The lawyers and Universities,the political establishment in Hungary ?
    or is she putting all the blame on the “foreigners”,whoever she ment with this,who
    invested here ,built factories,gave jobs etc.
    does she really believe that in todays environment
    Hungary can survive economically without foreign
    investment and ownership? Do you think hungarian
    paprika,unikum,pick sausages and the rubik cube
    are enough to guarantee a free and prosperous hungary. Or how does she suggest to solve this riddle? Any idea?

  • Viking

    Pávaszem,
    “And, you are a Lapp, yes?”
    Visitor, because it is you, is the only one who tries to insult me with calling me a ‘lapp’.
    I several times told you it is ‘Same’.
    Actually I cannot claim if I have some Same-blood in me or not, then on my father-side the story is a bit foggy. They were from Northern part of Sweden and typical settlers squeezing out the native Same-population in the 16-1700, but you never know who fucked who. As ‘Hungarian’ you should really understand that.
    For me personally I do not have no problem having some Same-blood in me, if so would be the case.
    This is in difference to you, who want to claim the ‘Tiszta Magyar’-thing, of whom no one seen the last 1000 years or so.
    I would not be surprised if I have some Walloon and German blood also, but who is actually counting?
    I am an happy European, who believes in the factual integration that already has taken place.
    We Swedes became Christians because of the need to modernise Sweden and a part of that was to skip the old Asa-tro and the Vikinga-tradition, so a country could be built with religion as part of the building process. The church was part of the NationState-building.
    Same thing happened in Hungary, with modern Christianity to build the modern Hungarian State, not just a collection of pagan tribes.
    There is a reason why traditional religion now is becoming less important, then we need to build a European Nation, allowing people to worship whatever they want, even the old Magyar/Vikinga Gods.

  • Pávaszem

    Well, well & well! Crazy Horse is on the prowl again! How edifying! I am glad to see you’re getting day passes again, Crazy Horse! Were the electroshocks successful? I mean as far as not thinking that you are God any more, since your brain is as obviously fried as scrambled eggs. Mud slinging serial rants are all you seem to be capable of any more… Was comparing me to James Joyce supposed to be an insult? ‘Homeland betrayer? :-))) Sheeeeeeeeeeet, I can character assassinate as well as anyone!

  • Pávaszem

    LAPP, “I several times told you it is Same” Same as what? “my father-side the story is a bit foggy”
    Obviously… “but you never know who fucked who” You seem to confuse your heritage with mine, Lapp. Too much brännvin, yes? “you, who want to claim the ‘Tiszta Magyar’-thing” Ditto. “There is a reason why traditional religion now is becoming less important” Naturally. How else could it be replaced with Marxism or the Holo-faith? Now just for the record, since you haven’t denied it, the following is still true: you haven’t stopped beating your Hungarian wife, rape neighbor’s dog and haven’t stopped cheating on your taxes, yes? Say howdy to your reindeer for me, Lapp! I’ll be baaaaaaaaaack!

  • JD

    All
    Who saw Krisztina Morvai being interview by UK Channel 4 News for this internet post.
    I was laughing, she was pathetic!
    She didn’t deny it either but you could see it dawning on her that “mmm, I fucked that one up, the rest of the world are not such suckers as the Hungarian population”

  • Godot

    ” the rest of the world are not such suckers as the Hungarian population”
    A sucker is born every minute.
    You’ll find a generous supply of gullible idiots anywhere you go, it’s not a Hungaricum.

  • JD

    Actually Godot, I agree with you (is that a first?)
    However, there does seem to be an almost genetic disposition over here to bend over and take it squarely between the butt cheeks from politicians.

  • Sophie

    How do you account for Veesenmayer’s light sentence at Nurnberg, judas, if ‘the dispatches’ are genuine and thus rigorous indictment of him?
    (Or do you at this point just prefer to leer and jeer?)

  • judas

    dear sophie,
    you asked me about veesenmayer;s light sentence????
    I have not been in discussion with you about this
    issue,simply because i do not know nothing about it. sorry dear.

  • Consensus

    Jobbik seek to reclaim land lost under the Treaty of Trianon. Yet they fail to recognise the fact that what remains of Hungary has been ceded to
    another alien force – the gypsies!!
    Visit Tamasi if you are in any doubt?

  • beju

    Yes,
    The gypsies are the army of the occupying jews of our country. Once they accomplish complete control over the country, these poor buggers will face the same fate what the Palestinians struggle up against. The jews will use them as target practice for enjoyment. They just don’t have the brains to realize that.

  • JD

    Consensus, Beju, man are you guys so fucked up that you just randomly click on a thread and wirte your drivle wherever there is a text box to write in?

  • Mr . M

    What forum was the comment posted on?

  • ex-magyar

    I was born in your poor excuse of a country and luckily, the fates allowed me to immigrate to the US thanks to the revolution.
    Be proud Magyars- and defend the country from the “Jooos” and the “Roma”; because you will never be anything but a tird rate backwater den of zenophobia and race hatred.
    I am happy I am a Jew, an American and an ex-Magyar.
    I visted your country a few years ago and all I heard was “Zsido this and that, “budos Zsido” “Rohut Zsido” etc.
    And all I saw were pathetic Magyars.

  • Stan

    ex-magy,
    You are a poor excuse for a human being. Try to learn at least one language before you go public with your infantile comments.

  • Anonymous

    Stan: Ex-magyar may not be as meticulous in his spelling as you are, but he has truth and justice on his side.
    You would do well to learn a language other than childish insults of those you disagree with.

  • beju

    Anonygnoramus and ex-magyar,
    Nice going boys. One’s a language expert, the other a jewish “chosen one” calling himself magyar.
    Do you guys know each other? Anonymphomaniac, my hunch, why don’t you make yourself useful and teach ex-magyar some vocabulary and fluency for his ex and/or acquired homeland language capacities?
    I’m sure you’d be more than able to offer distinguished lessons in hebrew to the poor soul.

  • Pávaszem

    @Roe hut-hut-hut! Gee doe: “the fates allowed me to immigrate” Are you sure it was the fates and not your relatives (a. k. a. mishpocheh) that hustled you into the US despite your Commie hack background? “race hatred” Look who is talking! How many Germans, Hungarians and Palestinians have you bastards murdered, motivated by LOVE no doubt. “ex-Magyar” You have to be something before you can be ex-something. Try ‘ex-Commie,’ trash.

  • King Louie

    Pavaszem… enjoying life (and wages) in Merrie Olde
    England? Defending the insignificant homeland from
    its imaginary enemies from a far away foggy island?

  • Hoff

    Suppressed history hungary-1956.
    http://incogman.wordpress.com/2010/01/02/suppressed-
    history-hungary-1956/comment-page-1/#comment-39189

  • http://barikad.hu/ Mark

    I was not aware of this thread but going through it, I observed a couple of things. There were a lot more outspoken pro-Hungarian posters around who, as it would seem, gave up trying to reason with the anti-Hungarian mob and left. The other observation that made me smile is that several posters predicted Jobbik’s imminent demise over Dr. Morvai’s comment. How little these foreign trolls know about the Hungarians. Before the EP election, the polls gave Jobbik less than 5%, or at least that is what they hoped. The election results surprised even Jobbik supporters, almost 15% for Jobbik and three EP delegates, none for SZDSZ.
    Will Jobbik get more votes than the Communist MSZP in April? Forget about the polls, watch the results…

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I5BGsK5ZAU&feature=related Viking

    Forget about the polls, watch the results
    Mark at January 2, 2010 9:47 AM

    True, but then do not complain if you do not get more than around 500.000 votes.
    The % is so dependent on the total turnout.
    The EP-election had 43% turn out, hopefully the April election will be at least 60+.
    Anything less would be very bad for Hungary.
    -
    On the other hand, is not Hungary a Communist Dictatorship, so how can it has free elections?

  • http://barikad.hu/ Mark

    @Hoff
    Thanks for the link. This explains a lot:
    To run his Hungarian satrapy, Stalin picked one Matyas Rakosi (born Rosenfeld in Serbia), described by Irving as an “ugly Jewish dwarf” who had “the tact of a Kosher butcher.” Irving, not one to fear an awkward truth, discovered that the Communist regime and its terror machinery was viewed by the Hungarian people — and, it turns out, the U.S. State Department — as being almost entirely in the hands of Jews. A “Jewish Quartet” ruled the country: Rakosi, Ernest Gero (born “Ernst Singer”), Michael Farkas (”Wolf”) the defense minister, and Joseph Revai, minister of propaganda. The AVH, dreaded Hungarian equivalent of the NKVD, was headed by a creature who went under the name of Gabor Peter, but had been born as “Benjamin Auschpitz.” Peter (sic) staffed the AVH with fellow Jews. Irving points out that “The regime’s high Jewish profile caused deep resentment.” He cites the work of an American sociologist, Jay Schulman, who interviewed many Hungarian refugees after the events of 1956 and found that “the Communist leaders were perceived as Jews by almost 100 percent of the people we have seen.”

  • Ricsi

    Mark@ Good to see you around Mark,spoke to our mutual friend at Christmas! Thanks for the US support,will contact you soon. Take care always.

  • http://barikad.hu/ Mark

    Hi Ricsi,
    Have a very happy and successful New Year my friend. See you on my next visit to Hungary…

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I5BGsK5ZAU&feature=related Viking

    So now Mark and Ricsi (if they really are two physical different persons and not just different personalities) dragged Hoff here also.
    Hoff has his/hers own Jew-hating blogs on jewise wordpress com and hoff2 wordpress com.
    Hoff probably lives in Denmark given that he links to Balder Org, which is a Danish site like HungarianAmbience.
    Hoff’s interest in Hungary is most likely limited to his/hers anti-Jewish rants.
    -
    Go on Mark/Ricsi, get in more ‘Real Hungarians’ here!

  • Ricsi

    Mark@ Understood, thanks.Same place as last time I hope.
    Viking@ Going around in circles again? You really should have listened more to that intelligent Hungarian wife of yours! :) Happy new year to all

  • Law

    Hi Ricsi
    Happy New Year mate!! Great to see you back..

  • Ricsi

    Law@ Great to hear from you also,happy new year. See you soon…….

  • http://barikad.hu/ Mark

    Now this moron is going to think for sure that we are one person :-)

  • Farkas László

    Hello Law,
    Your birthday greeting was much appreciated! The video was a thoughtful gesture, thanks!
    Laci

  • Octo

    It took a woman to show us how to be men.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I5BGsK5ZAU&feature=related Viking

    …but not a Lady.
    The definition of a Lady is a woman who makes men behave like Gentlemen.
    Morvai seem to be light years from that state.

  • justasking

    Well behaved women never make history.

  • http://barikad.hu/ Mark

    Lendvai is not only an ugly relic of the brutal Communist soon to be past but a mean and devious liar.

  • wolfi

    @Marks:
    So she would make the perfect partner for you ?

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  • olga

    @ Vandorlo
    Computer question: Why is this particular thread so susceptible to spam?
    I missed the article in June 2009 because it was “before my time” but I was duly shocked when it surfaced again by a poster in January 2010 after its demise in July 2009.
    Since July 2010, it keeps coming up by various spam posters.
    Any reason why this particular article is targeted or is it just random coincidence?
    On another thread, there is a discussion about “mixed race” children. KM gives the subject a brand new view that never occurred to me before

  • Alex

    I notice that on these boards , if the article degrades Christian
    Hungarians , than everyone jumps on board and becomes anti-
    Hungarian , but when an article comes up degrading the Jews than
    everyone seems to take offence.

  • Michael Jackson

    A good observation to the mental conditioning these
    people have been exposed too.
    What we live in is a Jewish controlled world.
    These elite have been conditioning people to
    believe that the world is over populated, for them
    it’s justified reason to launch a world war so they
    can decrease the population and back in control,
    currently in the last years the internet has exposed
    their scandals of IMF and world manipulation, so
    their panicking, they “really don’t care about us”
    just want to divide conquer and rule.

  • Concerned Hungarian
  • http://www.centralbudapest.com Vándorló

    @Olga: The spam bots (as they are called) simply use the indexing given from search engines (bing, google, yahoo, dogpile, kartoo, a9 etc) to determine their targets (occassionally the clever ones index stuff themselves, but this takes real brains and costs real money, so they tend to piggy bag on other people’s intelligence).
    For example, Google indexes this site for about 90 minutes each day in one block and pretty much every hour for quick updates. As part of that Google then times when it will do larger updates of the index it keeps of pages. These are never advertised or promoted as it would allow clever people to target this.
    I suspect this page got hit this time simply because it had words like ‘institution’, ‘written’, ‘message’, ‘comments’, but who knows.
    If people want to know you can find out the IP and characteristics of the spam bot and use a Bayesian style filtering (e.g. the most popular email type is SpamAssassin).
    That doesn’t really give you a specific answer, but it gives you some idea of how things work and why apparently random behaviour in selecting pages occurs.
    You can also use the ‘robots exclusion standard’ to get rid of most of the well behaved bots: http://www.robotstxt.org/

  • olga

    @ Vandorlo
    Thanks – so they target “words”; no it makes sense
    This particular thread was a target many times which was annoying but I actually like old articles coming to may attention – amazing how the comments never really change, same themes , same people blamed, same obsession with same irrelevant topics.
    The amongst all the garbage, there are some really interesting relevant postings which makes reading this website really worthwhile

  • Washington Brooks

    Olga. “The amongst all the garbage,…” ???
    Spam, Luncheon Meat, Corned Beef, Bully Beef,
    Processed Ham, etc etc. All filthy man-made rubbish
    that originated during the war years for economical reasons. Food manufacturers liked the ideas so much they put the stuff in tin cans with fancy names and sold it at extravagant prices. It was worse than the dog and cat food on the next shelf in the shops.
    The Spammer bastards that continue their wave of unadulterated gratuitous advertising on this site
    are annoying saddlebums.
    What happened to Erik’s expensive defense system against the Spam Invaders???
    Love you xxx.

  • justasking

    @Washington Brooks,
    You forgot margarine…

  • Beret, Bike, & Onion.

    JA.Margarine. That was a French concoction. It doesn’t count. And, as far as I know, it isn’t/wasn’t meat?
    I think it was some Frog at the behest of Napoleon
    who came up with the filthy margarine idea.
    Advertisers were always saying: “SO good you can’t tell ….?? from butter. Lying bastards!
    BTW. Do you still have the Napoleonic Code ?

  • Anonymous

    Michael Jackson!
    Are you still engaging in pedophilia …

  • olga

    @ Washington and Beret
    I think you are the same person – and the postings were funny
    Something about the margarine and Napoleon connection that sounded as if you weren’t joking which made me curious
    It’s a total waste of time for me to give the link, but I got this off the Internet (cut & paste)
    So you did not make it up:
    “Margarine was created by a Frenchman from Provence, France — Hippolyte Mège-Mouriez — in response to an offer by the Emperor Louis Napoleon III for the production of a satisfactory substitute for butter. ”
    Personally I find it more interesting that KM’s revelations.
    @ Anonymous
    Michael Jackson was never convicted of pedophilia but don’t let that bother you.

  • olga

    @ Anonymous
    I did not mean to imply that the so called “Michael Jackson” had anything worthwhile to say but the real M.J. is dead and it’s bad enough this nut case used his name but I actually feel sorry for the real MJ and hope he will be remembered for much more than unproved allegations of pedophilia

  • justasking

    @Beret,
    I was told years ago that margarine was created by the Brits during WWI I think, because it kept better than butter. That is why I posted that comment.
    Since I really could give 2 shits who invented margarine and why, I did not bother to even google it.
    My apologies for sticking my noise into your conversation.

  • Harry Rabinowitz (Snr)

    JA. I suppose you prefer margarine to butter on your sandwiches? You are always welcome to sniff
    whatever takes your fancy.
    BTW. I hadn’t heard anything from Morvai for some considerable time.
    About three months ago she was showing a bunch of students around EU headquarters.
    The video was posted on youtube. I don’t have the link.
    The students looked visibly “frightened” by Morvai’s understated tone and manner. Can’t blame them.
    She has made some good speeches in the European parliament. At least drawing attention to the fact that Hungary exists.
    A spell of silence followed my an outburst against
    “Jews with small circumsised dicks.”
    This doesn’t augur well for her future political career except among the farthest of far right nazis?
    BTW. I thought she was married to one of those individuals she was castigating/castrating?

  • The Gossip (olga)

    @ Harry Rabinowitz (Snr)
    Excerpt From Eva Balogh’s Hungarian Spectrum on July 16. 2009:
    “Krisztina Morvai is married to a Jew and they have three daughters. Relations between the couple are obviously strained; as she said recently, they believe that “the best thing for the children is when both parents are there for them, but we no longer live together as a couple. We live in the same house, but in two separate households.”
    Obviously KM has the children’s best interest at heart when she gives interviews, thus might be an embarrassment to “some” Hungarians but at least she is a caring Mother.
    Wonder if she prefers butter to margarine

  • Duck Soup

    Olga. A sense of humour at last. Whatever next?
    I would suggest Morvai takes both margarine and butter judging by her middle-aged spread.
    Hungary and Hungarians are always a tad away from TDC – (top dead centre). But this why I like them both.
    Morvai is more than chicken’s wingspan away from
    normalty. She should marry Gyurscany and perhaps
    after nine months she would lay some eggs.
    God only knows what the resultant ducklings would look like. Can you imagine?
    “There once was an ugly duckling…”(Danny Kaye)
    Quack, Quack!

  • olga

    @ Duck
    Groan … ( middle-aged spread.)
    About her marrying Gyurcsany. I think I read somewhere that his marriage broke up and he was in tears when announcing it
    Wish I knew Hungary’s Family Law /Divorce Act, but I would guess his tears could be attributed to possibly sharing his stolen assets 50/50
    Gives a whole new meaning to ” cannot benefit from the proceeds of crime …” which may mean that Mrs. Gyurcsany should not give up her job
    If KM did marry Gyurcsany and had a child. Wasn’t there a posting about snakes laying eggs?

  • Apeman

    Olga. Morvai, Gyurscany, and Lendvai, include Demszky, and Schmitt for that matter, should all be exported to Serbia. They will shower them with garlands or something similar and then they will disappear never to be seen again.
    I am still waiting for comments and news on how Orban’s 29-point plan is progressing.
    New Constitution!!! and Civil Code!!! Come on contributors let’s have some updates??
    I am a lovelorn mess at the moment and walking around in a dream. A bit like you Olga only different.
    I hope to resume to normal service shortly: once I get this monkey off my back.

  • justasking

    @Harry,
    I know Olga is going to fall off her chair over this …but…I don’t mind Krisztina at all.
    This woman is anything but stupid. She is a lawyer. She seems to understand the games that get played in Politics.
    Given all that…do you really think she’d be dumb enough to give the assholes ammunition? Anything at all?
    Have you ever seen her in an interview? She calls a spade a shovel. She is nobodies fool. I personally admire people with those traits.
    Years ago, I lived in a small town in Northern B.C. I was accused by one of the ‘locals’ of doing something that I did not. I tried to tell people it wasn’t true, that my ex-husband was lying…do you think they cared? No. Listened? Not!
    So, I gave up. Even the people who I thought were my friends…gone.
    Eventually of course it all came out the he was lying. Imagine. The ‘friends’ came flooding back…”We’re sorry Susan, I never really believed him Susan” blah, blah, blah…
    Needles to say, I figured life was too short to live amongst hillbillies, packed my things and moved back home.
    So, the moral of this story is…People will believe what they want to believe. It seems it’s easier to believe the worst in people.
    Regarding Morvai being married to a Jew…there is a big difference being a anti-Semite and anti-Zionist. She, is an anti-Zionist and so am I.
    Regarding my food preferences…I only use unsalted butter, never margarine.

  • wolfi

    “Olga is going to fall off her chair over this …” – from laughter, but so am I …
    PS:
    @justasking: With those hillbillies – did they also offer you some “Hillbilly Heroin” – or were you just the “Hillbilly Heroine” ?
    Sorry, I just had to do this …

  • justasking

    @Wolfi,
    Good grief…you are such a dork :))

  • olga

    @ Apeman and JA
    Re: “Morvai, Gyurscany, and Lendvai, include Demszky, and Schmitt for that matter,”
    My limit is 2 snakes per posting , and Gyurcsany and KM fulfilled the quota.
    Re: “I am a lovelorn mess” – I wish I could understand Hungarian politics as clearly as I can see why you have problems with women.
    It is evident that your recent postings are less hostile; You must have carefully studied Cinaed’s deeply philosophical postings under his “Tsar” pen name and you are began to see the light and the Truth with the capital “T”.
    We do have something in common – I would also like to see updates on Orban’s plans
    @justasking
    I promised myself never to be shocked at anything I read around here.
    I followed KM’s career since 2005 when I really admired her using that law degree for championing Human Rights issues for women
    I tried to figure out what possessed her to become
    what she is and this is only my guess:
    At one point in her career she realized she was going nowhere fast in mainstream politics and not willing to give up the limelight, she decided the only political party that would welcome her was JOBBIK – the rest is history.
    During her “famous interview”, she must have been faced with a decision (a) do I want to ingratiate myself with JOBBIK and its followers plus get mega media coverage Or (b) do I shut the f.. up about Jewish male anatomy that would have a terribly humiliating impact on my kids?
    I have no doubt she is “smart” – I was not judging her IQ

  • wolfi

    @Anyone who didn’t get that joke about “Hillbillies” – there is another female politician – probably as ambitious and as crazy as Morvai – namely Sarah Palin:
    “Sherry Johnston, 42, was arrested on six charges relating to the prescription drug oxycontin, which is widely known as “hillbilly heroin”.
    Her 18-year-old son Levi was thrust into the political spotlight during the election campaign when it emerged that Sarah Palin’s teenage daughter Bristol, also 18, was pregnant by him. He described himself as “a f****** redneck” on his high school MySpace page. ”

  • BattleCry

    JA. I agree that Morvai has some good qualities.
    She has certainly made some good contributions for the Hungarian cause in the European parliament. And has the courage to stand up and be counted which is more than you can say for the Olga/Cyanide Salvation Army.
    I don’t know whether we can take seriously these remarks she (Morvai) supposedly makes about sliced pricks – Jewish ones.
    Maybe she is trying to humiliate her ex-husband?
    Olga. You surely piss me off big time. Just when I thought you had changed your spots. NO. You start the fuckin’ lecture game again.
    Cyanide is a nebulous creature similar to yourself.
    If I require anything that Cyanide has to offer I might as well throw myself over a cliff now.
    And,if my sarcastic, and acidic tone at times upsets you, then my goal has been achieved.
    It is when the holier-than-thou tone appears in your postings we remember who you really are.
    The rattlesnake tag belongs to you -. For sure. You simply cannot be trusted.
    Transgenderite with a rattlesnake hiss.
    Short-lived honeymoon. Now, where did I put that baseball bat?

  • Bystander

    “Now, where did I put that baseball bat?”
    Perhaps the monkey’s got it.
    Hey Wolfi, look the domain name is available!
    http://hillbillyheroin.com/
    If you don’t take it I just might snap it up…

  • wolfi

    @bystander:
    I thought Glen Beck had reserved it for Rush Limbaugh – well you can have it if you want it …

  • wolfi

    Has anybody seen this report on the differences between Jobbik and the MG ?
    Hairline Cracks: Scrambling for Power within Jobbik
    http://www.soros.org/initiatives/roma/articles_publications/articles/hairline-cracks-20100204
    Really interesting story, imho …

  • olga

    @ Wolfi
    @ Wolfi
    Watched 10 minutes of a documentary on Berlin by an English comedian called Paul Merton (never heard of him before)
    I can’t find the video on YouTube but I found an article about the group he featured – have you heard of them?
    Not my sense of humour but it’s nice to see teenagers take action against something they find offensive.
    http://www.thelocal.de/society/20080807-13565.html
    The Leader mentioned in the TV clip is not the same person mentioned in this article, so maybe these groups are springing up in various cities of Germany.

  • justasking

    @BattleCry,
    What is your issue?
    You, yourself say that Krisztina has SOME goods qualities, has made SOME good contributions. I agree. That also happens to mean, that she has done/said things that you disagree with.
    I happen to like Morvai and would love to meet her.
    Olga, acknowledges some of Morvai’s good deeds/qualities, but, feels that her bad qualities outweigh her good ones. So what? It’s her opinion.
    Why did you feel the need to drag in Cinaed into all of this? He has done nothing to deserve such an unwarranted attack.
    Regarding wanting to humiliate ones ex-husband… You do not attack the person’s size…but his performance.
    That, is how you get even.
    For what women would want a man with a jackhammer ass?

  • Anonymous

    Hungarians are modest, mild-mannered people
    Common Sense at August 10, 2010 12:30 PM
    If I require anything that Cyanide has to offer I might as well throw myself over a cliff now.
    BattleCry at August 10, 2010 9:58 PM
    @BC – Want directions to the cliff?

  • Cliffhanger

    Moronymous. Directions to the cliff?
    If you do wish to remain anonymous you should try and come up with some original ideas because your tired old sarcasm “outs” you for the gypsy-loving,
    gay, hippie dawk that you in fact are.
    Keep smokin’ those Jazz woodbines and everything will be just fine. (Law Chap 1 v.9)

  • BattleCry

    JA. Haven’t got a clue what you are talking about. Usually you are straightforward and logical. What happened. Looking for a fight again I suppose?
    Salty snack and chocolate time again. The pain, the anguish, the deceit, revenge. Sweet revenge!
    My silly season period is over. Watch out.
    Morvai has good and bad qualities the same as the rest of us.
    BTW.I don’t have issues. It appears that you have many.
    It matters not if choose me as the target to vent your spleen.
    PMT is a nasty business I know…fruitcake!

  • American in Budapest

    BattleCry,
    Pipe down. We don’t need any more of these right wing losers trying to defend one of their own.
    Jobbik = loser.

  • olga

    @ Wolfi
    Further to my question about the spoof on a Neo-Nazi group ,they are called “Front Deutscher Äpfel ” and here is a YouTube
    Aside from having fun, are they making a difference?
    I think they are screaming about apple juice but I don’t speak German
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiwCrObSNuo

  • Bystander

    I hope Apple’s Steve Jobs doesn’t sue those poor
    kids for copyright infringement… I wouldn’t put
    it past him…

  • http://www.centralbudapest.com Vándorló

    @Bystander: The copyright for ‘Apple’ belongs to the Beatles, or at least the company that manages their back catalogue, merchandise etc… and particularly for anything music related http://oldies.about.com/od/oldiesmusicnews/i/applevsapple.htm
    They sued Jobs’ arrogant ass and made him cough up.

  • justasking

    @BattleCry,
    No, I am not looking to pick a fight with you. Nor do I have you in line for use as my own personal punching bag.
    I just don’t understand what your issue is with Cin and Olga.
    I have yet to read any of their posts, being so offensive, that warrants the desire to ripe their heads off and shit down the hole verbally.
    If anybody on this site has earned and deserved such treatment, that would be American In Budapest :)
    So, call me a fruitcake; but, if you feel the urge to add me to your ‘can’t stand’ list…fill your boots. Just as I said to Law (or are you Law?) I will not respond in kind if you get, what I feel to be, out of hand.

  • wolfi

    @Olga:
    This “German Apple Front” seems to be a local thing – wherever the Neonazis are strong (yes the NPD and Republikaner etc are in some local parliaments …) they try to provoke them with their slogans “Only German Fruit are good fruit – down with oranges” and other silly slogans – based on the style of Hitler’s speeches …
    Sounds a bit like Chaplin in “The Great Dictator” – maybe you’ve seen that …
    The interesting thing is, that those Neonazis are stronger in East Germany – a kind of backlash against the old Stalinists – who btw also are on the rise there.
    It’s like people in Hungary voting again and again for the old MSZP relics like Lendvai …
    It’s really strange …

  • olga

    @justasking & Wolfi
    JA – this guy is not Law because he can put his own sentences together and his hobby is not cutting and pasting
    One of your sentences on this thread was very funny – not going to reference it, but if I had a brother and he was married to you, I would warn him to not cross you – EVER.
    Wolfi – Thanks. I already knew before I watched the Applefront that it was going to be a spoof including the shrill tone. What was interesting was that if you looked at the kids’ faces screaming and marching around , they simply didn’t “look like” Neo Nazis and there is an unmistakable look.
    The “Fuhrer” was interviewed and he said part of the reason the Applefront was formed was because Neonazis hate nothing more than be made fun of. No kidding.
    I am not following the ultra right wing movement in Europe, but it seems to be that the former Eastern Block countries are busy with Jews and Roma while the rest of the continent focuses on hating the Muslims but taking time out for the Roma only in their spare time.
    Hungary’s JOBBIK crowd seems to follow the “equal opportunity racism” philosophy and divide their time between the two minorities living in Hungary.

  • Westward Ho! aka BattleCry

    JA. I do not, until now, consider you an enemy.
    You have joined the “sisterhood” and that is your
    prerogative. Hungarians have a penchant for jumping into bed with the enemy.
    It appears that you are no exception.
    Rakosi and the AVO would confirm my observation if anyone is in any doubt.
    Cináed and Olga are reasonable people and, along with Viking, and Wolfi, – I like them all very much.
    I have to play the big bad wolf otherwise we would all be sitting round the camp fire singing…you know..what girl guides and boy scouts usually warble.
    I am really more interested in what Orban Viktor and Fidesz and Pál Schmitt are doing to improve things here in Hungary. (The Szechenyi Plan and all that rigmarole)
    I have missed Farkas Lászlo’s postings. He was a great contributor. How are the Falcon Oil shares doing by the way? (Don’t answer).
    This is the end of a chapter for me. I will review my own situation in due course.
    I hope you will not think too unkindly of me for being a wayward, old reprobate.
    At least I never was called a “fruitcake” by your good friend Law.
    PS
    Olga. Love Ya! xxxx
    Still living in Canada with your two kids and hubby?? IP says otherwise??!!

  • olga

    @ Westward for the day:
    If you are so interested in Orban and Hungarian issues then why don’t you take the lead instead of waiting for FL. Maybe he would surface if the issues interested him
    I asked you a question about the MSZP and you responded with some silly answer about Langos; FL would not have done that.
    I live in Toronto with my husband – the “kids” are all grown up ; I envy justasking who unlike me, has not been ” made redundant” yet from her Mommy job
    My IP address should come up as Bell (internet provider) – when Cinaed posted a link about how to find out your own IP address, it showed Bell- Toronto. So I am pretty sure you checked it wrong and I would have no problem to have Erik confirm “Bell Toronto” – I have no need to mislead people which does not mean I “spill my guts” – but whatever I post is true. I would bet that goes for a lot of people including “my sister”
    Before I give up the soapbox:
    Ogres, like Leopards don’t change their spots. If you thought they did, take responsibility for being wrong.
    I shall reserve the hugs… you gotta earn them

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