Right! The unelected PM of Hungary, who heads a detested government of thieves that retains 1% of popular support (if as much as that), runs off to Israel to promise holocaust denial laws, and to smear Jobbik, a new nationalist party that secured 15% of the national vote in the 2009 EP elections. I wonder what instructions for the further and better looting of Hungary he is bringing back. Or is he bringing back more than that -- perhaps a blueprint for disciplining these nasty Hungarians who dare to aspire to ownership of their country?

Right! The unelected PM of Hungary, who heads a detested government of thieves that retains 1% of popular support (if as much as that), runs off to Israel to promise holocaust denial laws, and to smear Jobbik, a new nationalist party that secured 15% of the national vote in the 2009 EP elections. I wonder what instructions for the further and better looting of Hungary he is bringing back. Or is he bringing back more than that -- perhaps a blueprint for disciplining these nasty Hungarians who dare to aspire to ownership of their country?

You Jewish Aresholes!

Sophie,
I would assume the 'blueprints' are then similar to what Put in is already using at home "Putin to Obama: Our Jews are smarter than yours" (http://h2oreuse.blogspot.com/2009/06/putin-to-obama-our-jews-are-smarter.html).
I just wonder why they could not send these 'blueprints' via diplomatic post at least, if they are so afraid of the Mossad checking the email (as fabian is).
But, Sophie, do not despair, soon maybe we will hear Bajnai claim that his Jews are smarter than *both* Putin's and Obama's. That would be a real Hungarian achievement!
If it works for both Put in and Obama, it cannot be wrong for Hungary?

Right! The unelected PM of Hungary, who heads a detested government of thieves that retains 1% of popular support (if as much as that), runs off to Israel to promise holocaust denial laws, and to smear Jobbik, a new nationalist party that secured 15% of the national vote in the 2009 EP elections. I wonder what instructions for the further and better looting of Hungary he is bringing back. Or is he bringing back more than that -- perhaps a blueprint for disciplining these nasty Hungarians who dare to aspire to ownership of their country?

Sophie,
"The unelected PM of Hungary"
When did ever Hungary elect a PM?
It is no difference in how the Parliament elected Bajnai or Orban as PM. A majority of the MPs select the person they think should be the PM. It is as simple as that.
On the other hand facts have never been your strong point.

I normally decline to repond to the inanities of the fake 'viking', but his last is just too silly a comment to pass over. Post-communist Hungary always elects its PM, like any other democratic state. Also like any other democratic state, a political party appoints its candidate for the office of PM, and fights an election with that candidate as its leader. Exceptions have occurred only when PMs in office have found their positions untenable (Meggyesi, Gyurcsany)and have stepped down.

sophie seriously,

why from each and every angle are some of the
chatters coming back to jews,israel etc.

this looks quite phobic.Is'nt there enough stuff
to come back to hungarian issues????

Viking, technically you're correct, but it's a bit more complicated. While of course it's the MPs who determine who will be prime minister, each party puts forward the person who they will elect as MP in case that party wins, so that people indirectly vote for a person by voting for their party. Sophie actually has, in this case, made a valid point.

@Sophie: I don't think what you just wrote contradicts in any way what Viking said; he only meant that the PM is not directly elected, like the head of government in some countries. Meanwhile, since you are a stickler for facts, let me point out that your last sentence is not correct, as Péter Boross became PM following the death of József Antall in Decemeber of 1993.

@Sophie: On the contrary, under the Hungarian constitution (and as in most modern democracies) you vote for a party, not a specific leader. Ideally, the idea being that the party should have a coherent set of policies which you are actually voting for them to carry out. Hungarian 'democracy' has never managed to reach these heights due to a general lack of intelligence in the electorate and a dependence on idolatry rather than policy.
Obviously this helps leaders of parties as they never need spell out what they actually stand for.
Perhaps if you read the Hungarian constitution it would help. Also, Solyom - hardly known to be sympathetic with MSZP - declared the change of PMs constitutional.
YOu may like that to change. In which case I would vote for a party that explictly had an election policy to do so. In your case the problems would be, as previousl noted:
1. Parties don't have policies
2. The opposition is more interested by winning by default rather than by right
3. You don't even have the right to vote here, so your opinion is worth Jack-shit.

Vándorló, your ‘opinions’ are worth estimating in your charming terms, for you are incapable even of thinking them through. Do try to understand the difference between (i) the constitutionally valid status of the appointed PM, and (ii) the democratically vindicated status of the elected PM.
Erik: ‘the PM is not directly elected’. Then how does a person who leads a party in an election come to occupy the office of PM when that party wins: indirectly by appointment, or directly by mandate of the electorate? Or does that distinction not exist, ‘technically’, in your view?
Judas: ‘some of the chatters coming back to jews, israel etc’. Have you read the topic put up for discussion?

@Sophie: Take a step into the unknown for you: read the Hungarian constitution and answer your own vacuous questions. Your opinions are worthless. The status, whether regrettable, of the PM is constitutionally valid. I would urge people to encourage their MPs to pay tax on expenses, provide receipts, make them tuen up and represent their opinions in Parliament and provide coherent policies that can engage the electorate in the future of the country, rather than empty promises.

Dear "Mad 'woman' too cowardly to give real name"
and "Not Actually a Woman At All, In Fact."
your repetetive quotations of Sophie's comments are not original, and amuse no-one.

If you find Sophie's views detestable, please have the decency to "tackle the person and not the ball;" and address them.

Calling her a mad fake person does not consitute an argument against her criticisms of Bajnai's visit; which if you ask me couldn't be happenning at a worse time.

Personally, I disagree with "her" but I do think the line "disciplining these nasty Hungarians who dare to aspire to ownership of their country" is a rather witty one.

Sophie,
"Then how does a person who leads a party in an election come to occupy the office of PM when that party wins: indirectly by appointment, or directly by mandate of the electorate?"
There is no such 'natural law' that the party who 'wins' get their party leader or whoever they field as PM for the voters, as the PM in fact.
What happens if it has to be a coalition Government and the coalition can only be formed if the PM is *not* any of the persons that was the involved parties pick for 'the next PM'.
No, Sophie, you are so totally stuck in the British system, where you do not have a proportional election system, so you always get a 'winner'.
Got you there, again.
I understand you do have a problem with the societies we have here on the Continent.
How was it now the headline in the Times stated:
"Dense fog in the Channel - Europe isolated".
You are not Hungarian, you are 'British', even though not an 'indigenous British' as the party closest to your heart, BNP, likes to identify themselves.

Viking (though obviously not the usual one who writes under this alias: not stupid enough, and not quite crude enough): When in a proportional representation system of election no majority emerges, a coalition-forming bargaining process is made necessary. The resultant PM is indeed not directly elected but appointed by the power-brokers of the coalition-forming horse-traders. That is a major failure of the proportional representation system, for which it is often criticised: it prevents the direct election of the PM. I understand that prevention mechanisms are now in place in the Hungarian electoral system that strive to avoid this.
To save you and others’ further fantasies about who I am, let me tell you: I am the Turul Madar, returned to crunch the snivelling snouts, and kick the capacious butts, of all IDF-paid haters of Hungary and Hungarians, like you and yours. It is obvious that none of you lives in Hungary, that you do not even speak Hungarian, and that you hate with a towering passion anything that threatens your kind’s plans to colonise Hungary.
Clearly, the few Hungarians who used to post on this blog have given up in disgust, lacking the stomach to have truck with you lot even at this level. I too, prefer to disengage. But look up to the skies, scratch your mangy noggins, tug your greasy locks … you never know …

Sophie,
If you see a post in the name 'Viking' that you do not think I wrote, please put it to my attention.
I have never ever posted under any other name on this site.
I did not do that stupid replication earlier in this thread, even if you like to put the blame on me for everything post-Trianon.
And, in difference to you I do actually live in Hungary.
So, finally we can agree on that the Hungarian PM, like in all (?) other EU member States, except that rotten egg UK, are appointed/elected/approved by enough votes in the National Parliament.
The way who will actually get the chance to try to become a PM, differs from country to country. In some country the President/King/Speaker offer the position to the MP that he/she think will have the greatest possibility to form a new Government.
In other countries, like Hungary, it seems to be open for any MP to try to become PM. Just need to have enough friends among the MPs.

Ok. Try and understand (that means you Sophie!) that I am NOT a fan of Jobbik not at all. I think their economic plan are madness.

But for the sake of editors reporting balance, if you Politics.hu, can quote Bajnais rhetoric about Jobbik on a Prime Minister visit to foreign country.

Don't you think you should also quote some of Jobbik's reply to his statments?
http://www.jobbik.com/?p=603

For balance?

Actually Timur there is a debate on Jobbik's economic policy in the comments of the Economist here:

http://www.economist.com/world/europe/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13871359&fsrc=rss&mode=comment&intent=readBottom

Well actually, the original article is just the same old rubbish about Morvai and the cocks of Israel, the comment posters are delivering a lot more intelligent observations!

I believe that the subtitle of this blog should be changed. "The Intelligent Source for Intelligence on Hungarian Politics" just doesn't seem to fit anymore when about 80% (a rough estimate, but probably a very conservative one) of the postings seem to be pure rubbish. It actually doesn't even have much entertainment value anymore, as it is all too predictable. Logic and intellectual reasoning seem to be in incredibly short supply, and civility almost entirely absent. Then again, perhaps this acurately reflects the state of Hungarian politics these days. I despair for the future of my country, and my children.

Viking you are a commi AH (arsehole) you are like all socialists its 1 of 2 defence mechanisms commis in this country use ... 1. I dont follow any political party to which I reply "yeah Banjai/Feri G are arseholes" to which the auto responder is in 99% of the cases "well 2. Orban is not much better ... I have been here 10 years when I first came Hungary was the talk of the town and certainly top of the Emerging 10 now bottom of the list, people were happier, etc and right up until the socialists took over .. its been all lies and stealing from the people since x

Judge,
"Viking you are a commi AH (arsehole)"
Good argument.
Of all threads you could chose from, you took this one, where I was arguing with Sophie on the legal mechanisms of electing a PM in Hungary.
Of what I wrote in this thread did you come to that conclusion?
Or you are one of these Jobbik 5th colons who will sell out Hungary to the Russians?

Viking: Do you only feed of opposition (like an marxist or liberalist)? Any productive thoughts? What do you want?

Lacho calad,
"Viking: Do you only feed of opposition (like an marxist or liberalist)?"
Well, answering this question I then prove you right?
I wrote many meters of what I want (ask Godot),
but shortly:
A Federal European Union that is built on the typical European values of freedom and respect for others.
This will mean that the existing NationStates give power to an European Parliament for more and more things, like Foreign Policy, General Tax, General Law.
We should go for more changing into Nations, based on cultural belonging and not were you are geographically.
This is of course an utopia, but in the mean time I settle for increased European Integration and fighting xenophobia.

Dear Judas and Co.
Why does it have to come always back to Israel you ask with fake disdainful, crying eyes for good measure.
You dumbass! Can you explain it to me why in the world would the newly annointed Hungarian PM visit Israel as opposed to let me think ... Zambia or closer to home Germany? Obviously it doesn't carry any weight in your diplomatically inhibited mind. Bajnai was intent to playing golf with war criminal Bibi Netanjahu for crying out loud you stupid! Keep on writing and ranting your idiocies you piece of doormat.

And just to excavate the excrement from your dormy eyes after a good night sleep with a bobcat, let me offer into your discriminative attention the fact, that the first visit of any new leader to any foreign country represents immense obligations and commitments, you brainless piece of humanity.
Obama and his predecessors' first visit was to Canada. Ritually. Where does our goodboy Bajnai sets his sights as his...Israel.
Now that the bobcat actually got stuck in the impenetrable mud occupying your cavities, I give up and present you as Bill Engwall used to say...HYS, Here's Your Sign!

Can anyone explain why of all places B-job (or his handlers) chose Israel to visit? Wouldn't it have made more sense for the scumbag to go to Luxembourg or Switzerland? Why is a small state in the Middle East so important to us? What can we gain from any relationship with them vs. what we can and do lose? It's as if every Hungarian PM and would be PM has to make this symbolic gesture of submission. Have you also noticed how our whores go to Israel first and then the next stop is the US? Isn't interesting as well? I wonder why... Do you smart people know why? Can you guess?

Because you need them more than they need you!

I saw a picture of Bajnai, wearing a pretty yarmulka, praying at the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem. Just when you think he doesn't have a prayer, he proves you wrong.

Godot@Just like Obama and all the other puppet leaders,Bajnai knows who his master is! The sell out will accelerate from here on,as will so called 'hate crime' legislation--The end days for these scum are coming fast and they are desperate,and thus take desperate measures.
www.smokingmirrors.blogspot.com for a guy who is really switched on.

Viking: "We should go for more changing into Nations, based on cultural belonging and not were you are geographically." Isnt this a fact, not someting thats is in the future?
Especially for a nomadic warrior people like the Hungarians where geography isnt that important. Culture for these nomadic people isnt confined to a piece of land but to a mentality - actually of leaving the confines of geography, stasis or the earth.
The first people, the first astronaut that left the earth was not Gagarin, but the nomadic people (on horseback involving the symbiosis between man- horse- bow). Alway on the horse, never toutching the ground, earth. Attila The Trekkie.
But this still leave the question of nation. And for what I have read you (Viking) have gone to greate lenghts to say that there is not a Hungarian nation. The Hungarian nation is, for you, a diffuse character. There is not real Hungarians (but the real is produced).
But isnt this a origins thinking (first there was God, then Adam, Eve etc.)? A thinking that you in a different context oppose?
Lastly, what role do the persons or bodies that call themselves Hungarians have in your European "utopia"?

Tanarur. Many Hungarians have difficulty in recognising the difference between what is fact, and, what is fiction.
In recent times the Hungarian nation has ignored corrupt politicians and administrators in favour of receiving generous welfare and social payments.
The gravy train has stopped and reality is slowly kicking-in to the extent that it is going to take ten years of planned, and honest government, to rectify the situation.
There are so many diffuse and difficult issues to address that it will take a mammoth effort just to find out where we begin?
There are far too many plebs posting on this site who do not have Hungary's best interests at heart.
If you fear for the future and what it holds for your children - make every effort to rectify a situation that threatens to engulf Hungary once, and for all, time.

Bestie: "you need them more than they need you!" Right. Like you need your tapeworm more than it needs you.