National Alliance of Roma Authorities chairman László Vajda yesterday called on National Roma Authority leader Orbán Kolompár to resign “as he may not represent the interests of Hungarian Roma people”.
The Budapest Prosecutor general’s Office last Friday pressed embezzlement and accounting violation charges against Kolompár.
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It’s ok for the National Alliance of Roma Authorities to represent the Roma people, but for Garda to represent the native people it’s radical.
Double standard, anyone?
free,
Magyar Garda was never supposed to ‘to represent the native people’.
That you have Jobbik for. And Jobbik is proud of having Jews as members, so are Jews also ‘natives’?
Free. Double standards? Welcome to Hungary!!!
Where the standards double by the amount of money in the kitty.
* free- The National alliance of Roma Authorities are not marching around in uniform against ‘Magyar Crime’ although they would have every right to. Don’t you agree?
@tataoist
“The National alliance of Roma Authorities are not marching around in uniform against ‘Magyar Crime’ although they would have every right to.”
What Magyar Crime are you talking about? Oh, you mean the capacity of the Roma to atatck and kill each other; and then convince the state and the media that they’re facing attack from outside their community? (When there is no, I repeat – no, evidence to support this hysterical claim, in fact quite the opposite, and that such a claim just happens to be politically very expedient.)
The only “Magyar Crime” is how Hungarians are robbed twice by a 95% unemployed, 80+% illiterate and totally non-tax-contributing parastic community that leeches off them in their own bloody country with nothing but the occasional Csárdás fiddler to show for it.
First in terms of the taxation that is yanked from them under threat of imprisonment and is then distributed almost exclusively to the Roma. And then second, in the thievery and violence that Magyars must suffer when the monthly benefits have been either drunk of frittered away.
And then these scum have the bare faced cheek to squeel about being alienated and discriminated against: knowing full well this presses all te right multi-culuralist buttons.
I say, no taxation without representation. Taxes that are taken from Magyars should be paid in benefits solely Magyars. Everyone else doesn’t deserve it and can just fuck off.
hazafi,
tataoist’s suggestion to ‘free’ at July 22, 2009 8:48 PM was that the The National alliance of Roma Authorities would have the right to march against whatever they wanted, even if that intimated non-Roma.
Just to have the same standards, right?
I do not agree with tatoist in that, but you do avoid standing up to ‘Free Speech’ that you guys love to refer to, when you want to intimidate defenceless people.
You are the guys with the real double standards.
‘Free Speech’ is just for you guys.
@Viking
Oh, ok, so what tataoist really meant, was really not about there being “Magyar Crime” against gypsies (like s/he said) but the right to free speech to express whatever they want? In that case I am 100% behind it. Everyone should be able to say whatever they like. But such a demonstration would have just as much relevance if it was againsnt “Custard Crime” or “Herring Hate”: none whatsoever.
By the way, sorry to interupt you mid-flow in your statements about “Speech’ that you guys love to refer to, when you want to intimidate defenceless people” and that “You are the guys with the real double standards.” But really, what the hell makes you think you’ve any idea about what kind of guy I am, to say nothing about my apparently new favourite sport of going round intimidating people??
Is this what you do? Just go around websites misrepresenting people’s opinions or attitudes?
It’s obvious that this ignorance of yours also extends to a basic understanding about the basic facts of Hungarian life.
There’s only one group in Hungary with an apetite for attacking the defenceless while wearing uniform: the ones wearing the blue.
And if you didn’t have your head so far up your own ass, you’d probably go into anaphylactic shock at being forced to encounter more than two facts in the same day.
hazafi,
Good to hear that you are for ‘Free Speech’ and will respect anyone’s right to protest against ‘Magyar Crimes’ or participate in the Budapest Pride Parade.
@Viking
Did I say anything about the Pride Parade? No.
Yet here you go telling everyone what I didn’t say… again!
I was talking about political movements.
Having your dick up another man’s ass is not a political choice, and therefore is not covered by Article 11 of the European Convention on Human Rights’s protection of political free assembly.
That’s pretty self-evident.
No. I don’t approve of the pride parade. And it’s not homophobic to say so, becase there’s no discrimination at work: I would find a heterosexual pride parade equally absurd, disturbing and distasteful.
But it’s good to hear at least someone finally admitting that the Pride Parade is all about political motives and has nothing to do with sexuality.
And incidentally, why the f*ck are we talking about the Gay Pride Parade on a thread about another corrupt Roma leader. Are you gay?
(Which I’m totally cool with, it’s just I can’t understand why these threads always drift off into wierd directions.
Either some nationalist nutcase like beju turns up and starts going on about the Protocols of the Elders of Zion being the talisman to unlocking the secrets of the world.
Or some equally insane SZDSZ bod rocks up and screams that the source and solution to every problem in Hungary is whether or not a few hundred poofs are allowed to occupy the streets of Budapest for one day a year to suck on cock shaped lolipops while lubing each other up to the sound of thumping techno.)
hazafi,
“political movements”
So now ‘Free Speech’ is just for the ideas/movements/persons you define as “political movements”.
No double standards there?
You just miss the thing that people should not be discriminated at for being this or that (in any sense).
The Pride Parade falls in the right to free assembly. Of course it is a political statement to openly show your sexuality, though not party political. This has nothing to do with *which* sexuality you subscribe for.
You do have around 10-15% of all society being homo-sexual, probably a higher percentage of homo-sexual men among people fascinated by uniforms, like Magyar Garda and the Police.
There is no difference if people want to demonstrate for their right to be homo-sexual, heterosexual or Martian (like beju).
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Where this debate started was if it was OK in form for Romas to march against ‘Magyar Crimes’ and what is ‘Free Speech’ and double standards.
‘Free Speech’ is a hard thing but the golden rule must be allowance firstly.
Remember Magyar Garda was not disallowed to march, the organisation was found breaking its own statues and hence illegal. Obviously Magyar Garda’s ideas are not illegal, then they are promoted by Jobbik.
Jobbik could do these marches, but without looking like a ‘para-military’ organisation, but what would the fun be?
So, there are no double standards here – Roma can march against ‘Roma Crimes’ (like the organisation of Magyar Garda) and Jobbik can march against ‘Roma Crimes’
@Viking
‘hazafi,
“political movements”
So now ‘Free Speech’ is just for the ideas/movements/persons you define as “political movements”.’
This is really, really, really getting f*cking tiresome. Are you somehow so medically unable to confine yourself to what I actually say, that you must, yet-a-f*cking-gain take what I said and then add on your own invented conclusion?
This is not “my” definition as you would have people belieive, but the definition of the European Convention on Human Rights! What the Magyar Gárda is doing comes under Article 11, Political Assembly; while Sexual Orientation comes under Article 8 privacy. These are just the facts. If you have such a huge problem with this legal reality why are you expending your energies on Hungarians who can do nothing about Internaional Legal Conventions? If it pisses you off so much, and you find the “double standard” intolerable: take it up with the likes of Prodi or Barroso, not Szabó Pisti
Are you really that incapable of understanding that demanding the privilidge to wave your nutsack in someone’s face is not an inalienable political right?
Apparently you do understand, you say:
“There is no difference if people want to demonstrate for their right to be homo-sexual, heterosexual…” Exactly!
cont’d…
…cont’d
(1) There is no difference, if you do not tolerate a heterosexual pride parade, ther is no discrimination if you don’t tolerate a homosexual one.
(2) But, who is seeking to deprive them of their “right?” No one! Their right to stick the old doo-dah wherever they please is enshrined in law, and has been for decades!
Look up “homophobia” in the dictionary. What it means is disliking, fearing or discriminating agaisnt homosexuals. What the dictionary doesn’t say, but what is falsely promoted by the Gay Pride Movement, is that homophobia also means, finding fashionable ideas about homsexuality disagreeable: but it does not mean this.
This fashionable notion, is the idea that the right of homosexuality extends beyond behaviour in the bedroom, and also includes the – extra – right (that no-one else has) to flash your bits around; and also that being homosexual makes you feel compelled to do this. Yet this is deliberately dishonest and blatantly flawed thinking.
In fact, I am friends with many homosexuals who find this interpretation of their identity as deeply distasteful; they do not feel ashamed because of who they are, so therefore have no desire to express a spurious ‘pride’ by subjecting the populous to obscenity for one day a year.
Until you the truism finally sinks into your brain that no-one stormed the Bastille for the right to stick their wang in a granny’s face: there is no point in continuing this debate, you twit.
hazafi,
For you any Pride Parade is about “the right to stick their wang in a granny’s face”.
It is not, For that there exists separate laws against obscenity, that should of course be enforced or scrapped.
Laws that maybe not are followed through very hard in Hungary. Today I went with the train around Balaton. Close to Tungsram Strand me and my daughter were exposed to a naked man walking on the beach, together with his family (the rest of the family had their clothes on).
I have not a clue if this is illegal in Hungary today, but what would the actual difference be if he and/or his family would had carried a sign stating “Clothes destroys humanity!”?
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I interpret, because you do not say it clear, that a demonstration in the middle of the winter, where all participants have enough clothes on them, but urging everyone to become homo-sexual, would be in your opinion also an example of Free Speech?
This example has as much to do with any Pride Parade as myself – nothing. I have never participated and have no reason to do so. But the Pride Parades are interesting as an example of ‘Free Speech’.
Magyar Garda was dissolved because they did not follow the statues that were used to make them legal.
‘Anti-Roma’ marches have not been forbidden, just running around behaving as a ‘para-military’ organization, but legally being a cultural organization. This has nothing to do with ‘Free Speech’.
“This has nothing to do with ‘Free Speech’.”
For once you are right.
The Pride Parade is not about sexuality or free speech, it is, as you correctly identified a politically motivated group that use the cover of free speech and human rights to promote their society changing agenda – by deliberately courting controversy and claiming the “right” to obscenity.
Though they claim to speak for all gay people, this agenda is not in any way universally accepted within the homosexual community.
What follows soon after is circumstances, like in the UK, where orphaned children are deliberately taken from their grandparents care and given to gay couples to adopt.
But the ECHR could not be more clear sexuality rights are a matter of personal privacy and nothing more.
If these people have such a passion for the “rights” of homosexuals they should fight their battles on the streets of Riyadh or Karachi, Bradford or Brussels… and not Budapest.
hazafi,
“a politically motivated group that use the cover of free speech and human rights to promote their society changing agenda – by deliberately courting controversy and claiming the “right” to” racist attacks?
Just change a few words and you have described Jobbik/Magyar Garda.
Which words you put in the end of that statement is up to your political persuasion.
If you are for that people, for whatever reason, peacefully “promote their society changing agenda”, even if you totally disagree with them, then you are for “Free Speech”.
One can even be for “Free Speech” by protesting that other people “promote their society changing agenda” as long as you do it peacefully and not disturb their manifestation.
In Hungary Jobbik has publicly stated that they are against “Free Speech” and they will use all methods to stop the demos they do not like.
Viking,
Free speech you’re contemplating about?
You don’t have a clue of true free speech. Theoretically speaking free speech is universal, be it degrading, offensive, astonishing, endearing or deplorable.
That’s free speech my swedish friend.
And if you don’t like it, you’re free to deplore what’s directed at you.
There is no exception from free speech. Not you, not the so-called holocaust lie, not anything because you don’t agree with it.
Study free speech and maybe you’ll understand the concept in a not so near future.
@Viking
Oh my God…
I knew it, I knew it, I knew it, I just f*cking knew it.
Not this “just change a few words around” bollocks… again? AGAIN! How many times have I got to hear this utter crap?
I can’t understand how normally rational and supposedly intelligent people can actually maintain that political understanding and reaching truth through philosophical analysis is accomplished by just changing the nouns around in a f*cking sentence.
And then such people sit back, with a big smug smile on their face, as if they were Albert bloody Einstein. “You see,” they say, “it’s the same thing.” As if they had committed some marvellous coup de grace against an opponent who was not completely and totally aware of the potential such a sentence held for such a switcheroo; and didn’t mention it, or do it: because it would’ve been utterly stupid.
Because NO, it’s NOT the same thing, and changing stuff around doesn’t make it so dumbass.
cont’d…
Yes, both have a “society changing agenda” …duh! But Jobbik and the MG don’t attempt to hide it, read their websites, they couldn’t be more clear about it! They shout it from the rooftops. And what they’d like to do, thank you very much, is exercise their right to free speech and free association (that International conventions protect, by the way) to publicise this political agenda. This right, to political assembly, that they actually have (please don’t make me repeat ACTUAL EUROPEAN LAW TO YOU AGAIN FOR THE 100th TIME)… is being denied them.
Is that quite clear?
The Pride movement on the other hand, denies being political, and denies having an ultimate “society changing agenda;” no, no they say. They just want to be accepted and change attitudes, so they say. But this agenda, is very present and very real. And there are a several European countries that have realized this.
cont’d…
It involves, first making public lewdness permitted for homosexuals in a way it isn’t for heteros. This then goes on into couples demanding equal partnership rights to married people. (Sounds good on paper doesn’t it? But the base element human unit – the married couple based family – is automatically devalued and undermined.) And finally, as happens in the UK, heterosexual people’s children are taken into care and given to Gays as nice little fashion accessories. And if churches speak out against this they are warned by the police for “hate speak” and if relatives go to the press they are told by the authorities that doing so guarantees they will never see their children again. This now regularly happens in Western Europe. This is the reality that your smart-arsed little “change the words around and it’s just the same” type thinking has already justified and created in other countries; and you are promoting it for Hungary. Are you proud of yourself?
The language of free speech and free assembly is used by the Pride Movement to promote that agenda while concealing it.
While the homosexuals’ only right, namely, to do with their dangly bits whatever they like – in the privacy of their own home and only there (please don’t make me repeat ACTUAL EUROPEAN LAW TO YOU AGAIN FOR THE 101st TIME)… was granted to them twenty years ago.
Is this now quite clear?
cont’d…
“Just change a few words” indeed. God almighty! Truly. ‘Those whom the gods would destroy they first make mad.’
Get it into your brain. One involves politics (which is principally about power and economics), the other involves dicks up arses and muff diving. They are NOT the same thing. No amount of word swapping changes this fact, or makes them the same thing, you utter moron. And you pretending that it does, is simply mentally retarded FFS!
Again. ‘No-one stormed the Bastille for the right to stick their wang in a granny’s face.’ Only one person might have done, and he was in the Bastille at the time, his name was the Marquis de Sade, and he was a lunatic.
And that’s my final word on this matter.
“This right, to political assembly, that they actually have (please don’t make me repeat ACTUAL EUROPEAN LAW TO YOU AGAIN FOR THE 100th TIME)… is being denied them.
Is that quite clear?”
No, it is not. *WHEN* was Magyar Garda denied “to political assembly”?
The answer is *never*.
The *organization* Magyar Garda has not followed its own statues of being a cultural organization, but being used by Jobbik as like a “para-military” wing. The latter is not allowed and that is why Magyar Garda has been legally dissolved.
*Nothing* stops Jobbik to organize “anti-Roma” marches tomorrow, so what are you going on about?
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The error you do related to the Pride Parade, which just shows that you are against “Free Speech”, is that you see yourself of being a judge/referee of what is “political” or what should be OK to demonstrate about.
That makes you as good as the the old Nazis and Commies that have ruled Europe for too long.
“Free Speech” is about allowing people to express their opinions, *regardless* if you agree with them or not. That it is, you cannot therefore put borders on “Free Speech” in the sense it is “good taste or not offending someone”.
Of course “Free Speech” will offend someone, if not anyone else the powers at be. If your GrandMother is offended by people displaying whatever is allowed to do in a public place, she should do as Stan normally suggests as protest against the Pride Parade – Empty Streets.
That would be a powerful protest worldwide.
Viking,
I kind of thought you had no idea of you’re talking about right off the bat, but this last comment of yours sets the crown plainly on flat surface.
Magyar Garda is not illegal. Only in your feeble mind.
Why don’t you inquisite and inquire just as resolutely about the paramilitary outfit In Kal Security, the private army of szdsz and mszp?
Why don’t you delve yourself into the quandry why this illegal mercenary army is allowed to operate above the law in Hungary, no judgments have been brought to bear for their disbandment?
None was brought!
Why don’t the “judges” and the “justice system” tolerate and wink at its activity?
In Kal Security, an Israeli intelligence agency scot free in the sovereign territory of Hungary operating with impunity.
Look it up you dummy!
beju,
To common knowledge is Inkal an Hungarian Private Security Company, like Pannon Guard (or whatever their name was) tat Fidesz has hired to do Police work in Debrecen.
None of these companies have tried to registered themselves as a “Cultural Organization” like Magyar Garda, but as Security companies with what that means of approval, license and checking from the Hungarian State. That checking can probably be improved, but that is not the main thing here.
Magyar Garda has been dissolved in its current form.
That is another question.
If you have any proof that Inkal is an “illegal mercenary army is allowed to operate above the law in Hungary” please show that.
Viking,
Now you’re hiding behind a formality.
In Kal Security is a paramilitary guard for the communists and the dog-wagging jews you idiot.
No legal oversight, no police oversight, nothing.
You are trying to bullshit your argument around the fact that they are a security company, not a registered community of like-minded individuals.
You are so full of shit, that this was was probably my last comment directed to you.
Go back home to Sweden, hopefully we can export some jews to your drab country and have you guys deal with them in earnest.
Seriously.
Fuck you and fuck off. And get out of my country!
beju, beju,
Do not get frustrated now.
Hungary is more my country, because I live here and you do not.
But please feel free to join us here in Europe and leave your comfort life in California.
From your frustration it seems like you have problems with warm weather, so I would recommend Sweden for you.
Hungary is a good replacement being an European, but good enough weather, if one can handle the heat.
Viking,
The difference between you and me among other things is that should I return to my country, a jewish communist police state would probably arrest me. Yours in Sweden doesn’t give a hoot how big of a nutjob you are and let you blabber about in another country with your BS.
California is as good, nice a place to fuck’em up from, as any don’t you think?
Probably more fruitful too, ’cause they can do me favor, actually they’d better do it to their jewish brethren given their authentic ugliness and smell.
You have nothing in common with patriots like me living off of Hungary’s leftover assets. To me you’re a Raoul Wallenberg. Wait until you get shipped out to some faraway Siberian outpost camp.
Then you may understand only it’ll be too late.
And Viking,
This was indeed my last corresondance to you to this site.
I’ve spent way too much time and effort already trying to convince you and your ilk and quite frankly you’re really not worth the effort.
It’s been a pleasure, have a nice day and don’t call, I’ll call you.
Lovely having known you!
If this were only the case it would truly be the complete perfect 24hrs. Last night at Kertem picking up some lovely doe-eyed Hungarian girl , who as you know will do about everything, and did.
@c’est moi,
To you, you zit-packed, ugly jewboy?
Are you sure she wasn’t a gypsie or someone visiting from jerusalem?
Somehow I don’t picture you as being very appetizing.
Nevertheless you maybe a candidate for a doggiebag.
In fact c’est moi, my lovely jewish shame of humanity, I can picture you along with your repulsive type with a slit penis as the pinnacle of invitence. You are the dream of any woman. Equipped with probably the smelliest subhuman perspiration, no doubt your type rules with the feminine gender. Have you ever had a shower lately?
Your black robes and repugnant hats are perfect breeding ground for lice and bacteria producing by-products only rats can tolerate and live with.
Or your jewish girls who are ever uglier than you are.
Have you ever sat next to a jew? You surely have.
It is the most disgusting experience other than flushing a public toilet or sewer system.
Of course your nasal buds are used to it.
And dear c’est moi,
On that note, let me share a flight experience with you whereby my misfortune encountering your disgusting kind placed me sitting next to a rabbi flying from New York to Budapest.
The flight was overbooked, this guy that smelled like a gutter miles ahead, was trying to find room for his oversized bags in any overhead bin he could pry open without the slightest regard whoever else’s bags came his way.
He smelled like a sewer anywhere he set foot.
To my misfortune there was an empty seat next to me and the stewardesses in their agony put this guy next to me.
Man. You guys are unbelievably lacking personal hygiene. The flight was 9 hours and I was throwing up yet it was a smooth sailing. He smelled so bad, that I had to utilize any opportunity allowed by flight regulation to leave my seat.
Do you actually bath? Or is it something the “chosen one” status overrides?
Cont’d
And when we landed, while I was in a coma with an breathing mask on, this guy recited the who knows what israel next to me, while the whole compartment smelled like a pigstie.
No air conditioning or ventillation could master his perspiration.
Now in hindsight my dear c’est moi, that is you.
Hygiene-deficient, smelly, arrogant rats.
You are talking about women going to bed with you?
Maybe in the Bronx or tel aviv.
I guess the stewardess thought the only person who wouldn’t mind sitting next to the ‘jew’ was the one who smelt as bad. Whew!
What, a gypsy breaking the law?
What kind of racism is this?
Can not be true surely?
We all know that racism is a crime and only gypsies commit crimes!
Kreston,
No, the stewardesses first checked for excess room in the fuselage where you were sitting and boarded at. By that time you’ve stunk it up so bad, ever the rabbi complained and screamed to be reseated near human beings.
Yes, ‘bejew the liar’, I do smell that bad and the Hungarian girls here go ape-shit for it. She was dark haired but with blue eyes so my guess she wasn’t a gypsy and since she loved my cut cock, my guess she wasn’t a jew, and since she took it in the ass then cleaned it with her mouth my thoughts are she might be related to you. So you have any Agi’s in your family?
LOL, ‘Bejew the Liar’ I love how your rantings build over 4 hours. Must have been a hot night for you at home kicking the dog. You are almost making me feel sad for you.
c’est moi my lovely desirable jewish friend.
Your cock has most likely been cleaned by benjamin netanjahoo or simon peres at best. They do it thoroughly for you.
They suck delicately and pleasingly to the eye too. For your eyes only!
Look in the mirror you illiterate piece of crap.
You are ugly, smell like a dumpster, have zits on your face like a gorilla, walk like an overweight suitcase with the belly bulging out above your repugnant reproductive organ. Have you ever compared yourself with more fortunate species of humanity?
Obviously not before boasting publicly your conquering a whore?
c’est moi
Actually thanks for bringing up this particular issue, when I visited Palestine you would have been amazed how many jewish girls offered themselves to anyone with a dollar in their pocket.
Problem arose by the fact, that they were ugly and most guys despised their curvy noses.
They didn’t even look at their mouths knowing such denture probably impede further performance.
I think Erik and some posters might
remember an individual who
called himself Bacsi ?
A regular poster on these pages
several months ago. (In fact he
often took up 90% of the space
with his moaning and groaning
-style politics.)
He regularly championed the
gypsy cause on the basis that
they were good people because
they had helped him move furniture
up to his third floor apartment.
A little while after they helped
him remove it – whilst he
wasn’t there!
Bumbashers,gypsies,and jews such as the old commie faghag Lendvai are the scourge of the “not so free world”!
Gays perform lewd acts in sacred places and peddle their pink arses on the back of lorries in parades
that demonstrate their unworthiness to survive
in a proper and decent environment.
It shows how the world has deteriorated when
orphans are freely passed over to these freaks of nature without cause or concern for their
well-being.
The ancient biblical plagues are nothing compared
to the insanity and inhumanity that is forced upon us today by left wing communist/socialist thugs
who rule by dictat from the dark corridors of the
Euriopean Parliament.
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