Police will have the right to break up a Magyar Gárda gathering planned for Saturday, the Budapest Municipal Court ruled yesterday. The banned radical paramilitary group planned a swearing-in ceremony at Heroes Square.
Budapest Police declared that they will take action if members of the new Magyar Gárda movement appear at any location.
An unnamed individual announced the ceremony to police on August 10. Police chief Gábor Tóth banned the gathering.
The applicant then sought a legal review from the Municipal Court, but that was rejected yesterday as the Court upheld the police ban. The Court accepted the police opinion that traffic will be disrupted if the ceremony goes ahead.
Meanwhile, the Magyar Gárda issued a statement saying that preparations to establish a gendarmerie have begun. “As a first step we have begun the spiritual and physical training of persons fit to serve as gendarmes,” it said, adding that they are examining the legal terms for restoring a gendarmerie “in order to ensure that law and peace again prevail in Hungary”.
“preparations to establish a gendarmerie have begun”
So, that was what it was originally then
- just Magyar Garda with arms.
It had never nothing to do with the old Hungarian Gendarmerie, which was part of the Hungarian Military Forces at that time.
@Viking
You are aware it’s 2009 I suppose???
Forget About It,
‘Hungarian Nationalist’ seem to feel better with 1919, 1929 and of course 1939, so why not re-use old methods.
Maybe they will work better this time?
The Romanians have already re-introduced
Gendarmerie to deal with the Gypsies clans ( since
1998 or so I guess). If you watch Romanian TV you
will see them (Jandarmeria). They are something
‘in-between’ police and military, they are heavier
armed than the police, deployed in larger numbers
( dozens, hundereads) and use armored/reinforced
cars.
Recently ( few days) there was a big battle
between two Gypsies clans somewhere in the South-
Romania. The Gypsies used fire-arms and swords and
the Jandarmerie was deployed to calm them down.
You could have not sent few Policeman, they would
have been outnumbere, overpowered and killed
easily by the few hundread Gypsies who were
engaged in that inter-clan “battle”
Police tactics and equipment is work in progress, therefore modern Police forces have SWAT-teams on different levels.
That is not the same thing as the “Gendarmerie”, but normally if there is such an Internal Military force (which it originally comes from, to keep the order with lighter armed soldiers than the normal army).
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The big question is if a Democracy need anything else but a few Police Officers specially trained for certain tactical situations (hostage situation, against heavily armed criminals, etc.)?
This is the situation in most European countries. The few countries that have “Gendarmerie”-type of extra Police organisations have had those before they became real Democracies.
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Another question is of course if there is enough of Hungarian Tax Payers to go around and pay for building up a separate organisation, that of course need everything doubled.
Must be better/cheaper for Hungary to have 100-200 specially tactically trained Police Officers, with high mobility, including helicopter transport. Hungary, in difference from Romania, is not a very big country.
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The Jobbik proposal for the “Hungarian Gendarmerie” is just a ploy to have something to speak about, which they know never will happen.
@Gheorghe Stoica
have you ANY idea, what the ‘Rest of the World’ thinks of Romania??
It is so damming it couldn’t be printed on this (or any other) Forum…….
Get a new address outside the Goldfish Bowl?
>have you ANY idea, what the ‘Rest of the World’
thinks of Romania?
Don’t try to shift, sidetrack, the debate into ad
hominem.
Fact is the Gendarmeria has been reintroduced in
Romania and with good results in dealing with the
big Gypsiy big clans. Nothing else would work
either in Hungary as the power of the Gypsy clans
will only incerease in the following years.
see also wikipedia about other contries which has
such miliatary (or para-military) forces to deal
with unruly ethnic gangs
Gheorghe Stoica,
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Suddenly everyone loves to use the expression ‘ad hominem’. Wonder why?
Normally used by bob in his country bunker and by Law and now by you.
Maybe I need to refresh the Latin part of my English.
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“unruly ethnic gangs” are nothing else but criminal organisations, or organised crime, if you prefer that expression.
The Police need to organise itself to handle those gangs, regardless the gang’s recruitment base is ethnicity or violent professional criminals, like the different MC-gangs taking over the criminal scene in the Nordic Countries (Hell’s Angels, Bandidos, etc).
The trick is intelligence on the criminals, which means normally that the intelligent part of the Police Force need to grow and also include not only Officers from the White Boys Academy.
Your suggestion with Gendarmerie just means containment of the problem, not to solve it.
>Suddenly everyone loves to use the expression ‘ad
hominem’. Wonder why?
Because that was your ‘style’ of counter-arguing.
Attacking the reputation (“do you know what the
world thinks of Romania”) not the idea which was
presented.
It doesn’t matter the reputation of Romania, the
Gypsies there behave just as those in Hungary :
organized crime, theft, robbery of ehtnic
romanians and ehtnic hungarians ( see the recent-
only few weeks ago- clashes between the Gypsies
and ethnic Hungarians&Romanians in villages
Transilvania).
It is the same problem but it is better held under
control by the local Romanian “Jandarmeria” than
it is done by Police in Hungary.
Gheorghe Stoica,
Pls do not mix me with ‘Forget About It’.
I have nothing to do with that statement about Romanians.
I just noticed this increase use of a specific Latin expression in English, that normal people would not use.
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To the question of keeping “under control”, my point is that is the wrong policy. Then you accept that it is OK, just to a certain level.
To solve it, Policing is just a part of the solution.
I think many have missed the real point here as has the Chief of Police Mr Gábor Tóth. The Hungarian Courts of Law have dissolved the Magyar Gárda it does not exist any more. Since the Magyar Gárda no longer exists, how can it swear in new members? Can someone explain this? Also since does not exist as a legal organisation it cannot demonstrate etc. This is unlike the Hungarian Nude Clog Dancers society who (if they only perform in private) would be lawful and could ask to demonstrate.
As to the problem of large (armed) factions, these seem to be something found only in Eastern Europe. There are armed gangs in the West but good intelligence seems to allow the police it ‘pick off’ their armed members piecemeal. I will agree with Mr Viking a small highly trained well equipped and mobile unit on the lines of the French CRS should be formed to combat such groups. The main problem would be who would control them and who would order their deployment? The same people must not be allowed to do both things and whilst they are answerable to Parliament for all aspects of their work except the when and where of their operational deployment.
Anybody with a ounce of real sense will look upon the Magyar Garda as a absolute Joke, in exactly the same way as the Hungarian police force is looked upon by most Hungarians.
Take a look at this ramshackle collection of drop-outs, camouflage trouser enthusiasts and people with nothing better to do then get dressed up, wave flags and shave their heads!
But then again, if you look at most of the people involved in any of Budapest district Polgárőrség (Citizens Watch), you will find the same dregs of society, normally dressed in black clothing and wearing black jack boots…. It is a fashionable pass time for these types of people who otherwise would never qualify in real life to obtain such a position that would warrant a uniform and a feeling of such self importance. For that is the key to participation and nothing to do with righting Hungary’s woes!
The same thing happened in Ex Yugoslavia. After the conflict it was incredibly difficult to disarm the young people who’s pre-war life consisted of living a boring existence on remote farms. Suddenly they were given uniforms, weapons and allowed to run free, stopping traffic at homemade check points, handing out retribution and generally doing what they wanted! Not many wanted to go back to the boring prewar existences….
Thus, the birth of the Magyar Garda….
Children love to play and it proves the age old adage…. ‘ bread and circus’ rules!
@John Simpson,
I know I’m being read like listening to a broken record. The reason Hungary as a country is disabled, the youth join military-type outfits is because this country is NOT a free country! Were it one, jobs would be plentiful, young people wouldn’t bail out to foreign lands, our nation wouldn’t disappear in an unprecedented speed. Hallo!
Somebody wants it to be accelerated and happen as quickly as possible.
Here’s your sign. THE JEWS!
John Simpson is actually making some valid points on giving weapons/power to typical vigilantes. It has never been a good thing and that is why we need so much good and better training for Police Officers, so they can handle the act of Policing better than just your ordinary vigilante, may he be a Magyar Garda or Neighbourhood Watch.
The Jobbik demand for creating a Gendarmerie is then just deviating from this goal of creating a Hungarian Police Force, that Hungarians do not think is a joke.
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To the question of the legality of Magyar Garda (in any role). As I understand Jobbik had something on Margitsziget on August 20, but they only swore in 18 new volunteers to Magyar Garda and I believe only the MEPs were wearing the outlawed uniforms. This they can do by playing on impunity of legal actions then they are MEPs.
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beju is, self-admitting, just a broken record.
Nice to see though that this has finally hit him.
@Beju
Yes I understand your point and I am in no doubt that much of the anti Jewish sentiment is manufactured by the Jews for their own agenda.
But I still do not think that the Magyar Garda and other similar organisations are the way forward.
they are playing directly into the hands of the Jew lobby!