Despite the recent relative quiet this past week, longtime visitors to this site (and the other All Hungary sites) have probably noticed that over the previous year, the nature of the comments left here has become increasingly vulgar and far-right in spirit. As it turns out, we’re not the only ones under siege. In an opinion piece in the August 27th issue of moderate-right weekly Heti Válász, István Dévényi commented how over the previous year, the far-right has infested online forums with Jobbik propaganda. Anyone who doesn’t believe the country is being sold to the highest bidder is Jewish, anyone not willing to slur Gypsies must be a Gypsy themselves, and if you don’t hate the gays, that means you must be gay yourself, among other allegations. Dévényi added his opinion that he doesn’t believe Jobbik itself is behind this, but that it is the party’s followers organizing this campaign to drown out debate so that only their voices are heard.
It’s no secret that Heti Válasz supports Fidesz, but the fact that some in the right-leaning media are becoming disgusted by these recent developments is worth noting. Some might suggest that Fidesz via Heti Válasz is trying to point the blame for these commenters onto Jobbik, but it’s fair to state that these types of comments are not being left by disgruntled Free Democrat supporters. To those who believe these comments are left by government agents pretending to be the far-right to gain support for those currently in power, if that is the case, it certainly hasn’t helped them.
And while I’m expecting that this post will receive a flood of comments, most of which will degenerate into name calling and not even be related to this post itself (aside from proving the points made in Dévényi’s article) we’re already working on something that will still allow people to give a piece of their mind, while keeping things a lot more civil like they used to be, hopefully to be implemented soon.
“we’re already working on something that will still allow people to give a piece of their mind, while keeping things a lot more civil like they used to be, hopefully to be implemented soon…” And we can’t wait… (Could you repeat your crock with a straight face and post it to YouTube?)
Was it not your site that allowed people to come on with multiple names,was it not your site that allowed ‘witch hunts’ against other members (the juveniles at naci vadasz for example)? Despite repeated requests to tighten up security you did nothing,so now yes we all take advantage of this ability to do repeat posts under many names.This site became dominated with morons repeating the same lines (viking,cest.moi etc..) and stiffled any seriousness,this site allowed repeated antagonistic attacks to deliberately instigate insults,remember ‘joe’ working for the Israeli web attackers from his library in Canada.This site also allowed ‘Tunde’ e-mail details to be found.shall I continue???PS I notice real news these days is only shown over at Caboodle were comments can’t be added–take todays announcement about the theiving Mazsihisz leader István Krausz for example,that would stir up a real hornets nest of comments for sure. Sure we see the reality of crime,zionist greed,gay pride crap etc.. and now more and more are opening eyes to this,hence this peace of crap from Fidesz,who as you have said,recognise the only real alternative now is Jobbik.Final note–I can guarantee you that most of the ‘right wing’ comments here are not Jobbik members,only 3 or 4 are real members.The rest are extremists,die hard thugs or yes even ’agents’ with a special agenda.
Notice how recent days REAL news sites such as ‘whatreallyhappened”Truthseeker’and ‘Rense’are all under constant attacks- Why??
@Ricsi: Wind your neck in!
Eds: Is this anything to do with euradex.net? If it is then there is some news of Google competing against Yahoo’s dominance of ad brokering this morning: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/18/technology/internet/18exchange.html?_r=1
Could mean a tough time ahead for euradex.net before it starts?
There is certainly a degree of validity in this post. However, though it seeks to look down on some of the more disreputable characteristics of Hungarian cyber politics, it goes on to make some of the same mistakes. By paying lip service to conspiracy minded notions of this behaviour being orchestrated.
The fact is, that when a legitimate and popular political constituency exists, and deliberate attempts are made (for whatever reason) to exclude such a constituency from letting its views be known in the public sphere in the usual way, i.e. the TV and the Newspapers; the modern European reality is that the web fills this vacuum.
The same thing is happening in Scandinavia, with those fearful of Islamization being excluded finding a home (and dominating political presence) on the web. And happened throughout the first half of this decade in the UK for the right. Meaning the Tory Conservatives (not the BNP) who felt so excluded from being given a fair shake that they turned to the web and similarly dominate it. Similarly neither of these was orchestrated, being the work first of independent bloggers, with political parties in general coming late to the party.
I actually approve of this trend. The net allows for an ideological safety valve that does not allow excluded constituencies to magnify in ignored resentment thus fomenting actual possible physical revolution.
cont’d…
Yet what deeply saddened me about this post is how it conflated “vulgar and far-right” as if the two, when it came to internet comments, were synonymous. I am saddened, not critical, because this is unfortunately all too true. I consider myself politically of the right (though I’d take issue with the “far” bit) but would never dream of engaging in all the vulgarity that seems to be the common currency of Jobbik supporters. But certainly not from any sense of academic superiority or linguistic ability…
But simply because I think the contentions of the left really are so flimsy, tautological and hypocritical that they do not stand up to even the slightest concerted critical scrutiny. Thus the reader should eventually be given the opportunity to judge for themselves.
I don’t know really how the whole tone of the debate is to be elevated in the way I hope it will one day be. Yet I would suggest it is not helped by two things. First, the record for plain mendacity and historical distortion that the Left somehow think their birthright. This merely fuels resentment. Second, when the likes of All Hungary permit un-moderated (even by algorithm) comments to be posted without some form of account verification. What else is the eventual result likely to be but expletives and sock-puppetry?
Quite right bobscountrybunker!
The enormity of your eloquence and convincingness of your prose is dwarfed only by the sheer gargantuan size of your penis…
See what I mean?
@ sock-puppet;
Real nice there guy. You truely are a man amoungst men!!
@Bobscountrybunker,
I can’t give any answers as to the back end changes involving accounts since I’m not involved in that process, but I will respond to some of your other points.
I don’t believe that the left is orchestrating these attacks in secret, I was merely preempting the inevitable conspiracy comments that they are.
As to your suggestion that I was conflating vulgar and far-right, there was no intention to do so on my part, it was merely an observation (that you agreed with) that when it comes to comments the two go together more often than not around here. The far-left is equally capable of being vulgar, but over here it’s been primarily exhibited by the far-right, who have managed to scream louder.
I would prefer for both sides to engage in a civil debate, but despite the attempts by some to do so, these threads nearly always degenerate into something resembling two kids kicking sand into each other’s eyes.
Where’s the far right? this article is just another attempt to justify the Establishments agenda, the most interesting observation is that many people have seen the truth revealed by sharing information relevant to the news articles presented on this site and in the meantime witnessed being sabotaged by establishment assassins! Which has caused them to search even deeper with questions, and the truth needs no lies to protect them, all you require is to seek and you will discover the knowledge about your kind.
Many bloggers not only have seen the truth revealed by sharing information and views with facts but also it has been comforting to know that the media in Hungary doesn’t work! In trying to collectively brainwash people.
People are awakening to the fact that your tactics are trash Eric and his Nasivadasz brigade which he never talks about or tries to expose.
It’s amazing how the establishment tries to out maneuver the Truth, but the more they try the more they have paint themselves into the corner.
Have you ever considered the financial crisis which has made people investigate who is behind the establishment?
@Zoltán
Please do not misunderstand me. I was not objecting to your equating of “vulgar” and “far-right”, I was merely expressing my saddness that this was the case.
Your comment about sand kicking is also all too true. But this is very much the fate, in my experience, of blogs that have a limited (and polarised) audience. Hence the need for some sort of technical back end provisions to prevent the playground behaviour from overwhelming everything.
But this post is definitely a step in the right direction. Articles which attempt to calmly describe the nature and character of those of us on the Hungarian right who do not subscribe to Fidesz: are to be welcomed. And then, who knows? Maybe one day, in the dim and distant future, a Hungarian will be able to stand up and proudly declare himself a Nationalist without this being considered to be an attribute inseperable from the “far”-right.
Why HARD WORKING tax payers are taking two steps forward one step back whilst witnessing so much corruption around them? Majority of bloggers don’t belong boxed into any extreme radical box, they are just truth seekers, and when you seek you discover that you have been fooled all along, so people are not ignorant as before, they are angry by the fact that pricks like you Eric are still trying to fuck the majority over. Your kind are the radical ignorant Multi Culti Establishment snakes who have been exposed!
Ignorance is not bliss!! It’s only bliss for the Establishment.
By the way Hello Justasking!! I been flat chat with working, been burning the candle both ends, exhausted.
@Jogtalanság, Spongyabob Kockanadrág,…: “…they are angry by the fact that pricks like you Eric are still trying to fuck the majority over…”
The ‘majority’ is currently 11%, perhaps you mean the tyranny of the majority that find what and how you express yourselves unacceptable or at the very least tedious?
Look, as it has been pointed out time and time again Jobbik got rid of their discussion forum. Why? Don’t they believe in free speech?
There are 10′s of websites and blogs out there that could and should take over this role (e.g. althir.org, barikad.hu, hunhir.hu…) if you lot really believe you do not have a platform to make your voice heard.
As far as this website goes, and as far as I have understood it, they are simply proposing to introduce registrations and clean up the mess that people like Ricsi have also complained of, as did Sophie before she disappeared in disgust. The end result may be a more balanced discussion with a little more structure to the discourse instead of the simple noise makers and obfuscators having their way.
“we’re already working on something that will still allow people to give a piece of their mind, while keeping things a lot more civil”
Please, bring it on.
Commercialism and unlimited free speech are incompatible.
I could see the dilemma that Erik was in from the get go. I’ve had contact with him offline, and his position was that he believes in unlimited free speech short of incitement to violence. The problem is that at the same time he is running banner ads from corporate sponsors. These very sponsors will look at some of the posts here, and take their support elsewhere. They are concerned with their public image, and their shareholders represent a very diverse group.
I understand the anger and rage expressed here. We’ve been muzzled for so long, by so many regimes, and our history so unsucessful, that many of us just want to speak their minds, and screw the “PC”.
I can’t advise Erik or tell him what to do; he’ll have to do his own cost-benefit analysis
Vandorlo–a pretty fair comment from you,well done!
Jobbik closed the original forum precisely because it was been over run by the same kind of morons with an agenda that we see here.Have you not found the new forum yet? security must be good so far!
Why doesn’t Eric ever mention anything about Naczivadasz? Always attacking Jobbik , or any patriot Hungarian. Also time after time who gives you the right Vandorloo to speak on behalf of the majority of people who share there views on this blog? This is your individual minority not even 5% of people representing Hungary, or are you going to try and rent a crowd from outside Hungary , like Madonna or Swedish gays? Your are nothing but an empty vacuum of hot air, in denial totally trying to justify being morally correct, well fuck you!! And your try hard establishment of murderers , liars, rapists and psychopaths, your days of spreading lies are over. This momentum can’t be stopped now unless you and your bandits try and implement some new regime backed by the establishment.
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Do you realize there is more supporters of Nationalist sympathizers then 11% why are you still spreading lies ? before the EU elections this site and many other main media portals were saying 2 to 3 % Jobbik and there was 14.7% !!!!!!!!! and this is fact! Not some bullshit survey which has been proven time and time again to be false information, lies and more lies continuously mirrored by the consciousness of the MSZP and SZDSZ from these lying corrupt parties still in power!
And another thing sites that are spreading lies like this one need to be straightened out and a balanced debate finally presented, because you can’t handle confrontation you character assassinate and use the same old establishment tactics which are so exhausting, and now the people have said enough is enough, and you are crying for empathy! You cretin ! who gives a shit in satisfying advertisers when Hungarians lives are at stack? This isn’t some trivial discussion about the weather or fishing , this is about real peoples lives and experiences, so again go suck on a SAV Vandorloo !
Law–Take it easy on Vandorlo.he is not a bad guy,just a little naive.He likes to play games but he is harmless,actually quite intelligent to be honest.NO he is not the problem here,the ones with an agenda–they are keeping quite today but they will come crawling out like the worms they are soon enough,mark my words ! Got to go now,a flight to catch soon.
Szebb jövőt
@ Law;
Do not take this the wrong way my friend; but, I have to agree with Ricsi. If you want to unload some steam, who in my opinion, deserve it…can I suggest VT or C’est Moi.
Vandorlo is just lost! Get it! Well I thought it was funny!
@Farkas László: Your comment about the conflict between commercialism and free speech is in general not untrue, but it’s not true in the case of All Hungary. We’ve never received any pressure (or even any comment!) from advertisers about the political direction of comments or articles. This might change, and probably will some day, but just for the record it’s not what’s driving anything in this area. Instead, it’s mostly about a desire not to lose *readers*.
@Law: If you think that I or Zoltan are leftists or Hungarian-haters, you must be new to the site, or not paying attention. Just because someone isn’t a Jobbik member doesn’t mean they are a leftist or a Hungarian hater.
@Vándorló (3:29 PM): Well, it’s related only to the extent that with other, more pressing projects around, it should be obvious why I don’t want to spend resources figuring out whether comment X or Y is too offensive. As for that story you linked to, darn, it seems my plan to take on Yahoo! and Google singlehandedly is foiled!
Thanks for proving the articles point. Please justasking, law, richy, bejew the liar, 160, or whatever new id you you would like to create, unload on me it will only end, again, with you looking pathetic.
I can guarantee you that most of the ‘right wing’ comments here are not Jobbik members,only 3 or 4 are real members.
Ricsi at September 18, 2009 1:53 PM
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Free speech without monitoring?
Seems like Ricsi is doing some monitoring by his own. How can he know that, if he does not know them and they agree to spread the ‘message’ here. Of course without any ‘agenda’.
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To the question of ‘unlimited free speech’.
Can anyone give an example where it has ever existed?
For me it is a label that hate-mongers like to hide behind, but the first thing they would like to do is restrict ideas to what they accept, if they ever come to power. Just check-out the Pride-debate.
Anyone is welcome to show a ‘Nationalist’ party that accepts ‘Defamation to the Church, Marriage, Decency and the Nation’ and will not put laws that make this punishable.
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I did not know Eric actually spent time checking all the BS (including myself) on this site, so he could not be sued. I feel sorry for him and really understand he wants to get a life.
Personally I just pop in here to relax from my 24/7 work and have some fun, when it is not possible to have a normal debate. Maybe it will be less fun and more work in the future.
@ C’est Moi;
You have absolutely No room to talk. Go back and read some of your own posts. YOU take mud slinging to a new level at times.
I admit, I’ve said some really mean things to some people on this site, some I regreat, others I don’t. That being said, I let myself get provoked/pissed off and thats my issue, I will deal with it.
What is not right(and you are guilty of this along with VT)that if a person submits a comment on an article, and it is posed in a respectful manner, their point of view, there is usually someone out there that jumps in and goes for the jugular. Lamb basting them as racists, facists, morons, sand n*(&87 etc, etc, etc.
Ricsi’s whinging on about “But Erik allowed us to post under false names” is the kind of nauseating bleat one expects from an English ex-pat Neo-Nazi. I welcome a registration procedure, but my suspicion is that Ricsi will not respect it and find a way to “game” it – he’s got an advanced computer science background (Technical University of Vienna) and helps run Jobbik’s forums.
Elsewhere on the web Ricsi usually infests the “Hungarian Sanctuary” web forums at the Maltese fascist website Vivamalta.org, which is the “Planet 9 from Outer Space” of Eurofacsist web sites, a host to all kinds of nutters who got laughed off of Stormfront or more mainstream Holocaust denial sites. I think that what he posts there has relevance to this debate since it concerns his treatment of users on Politics.hu. Our little Ricsi is a vain and boastful little fascist and avid holocaust denier, the classic pastime of a sociopathic computer geek.
Does Ricsi run a ring of sock puppet commenters, or monitor and harass commenters from Politics.hu? Yes: In Ricsi’s own words in answer to another English-Hungarian who moderates as “Sepp44” on Vivamalta.org (retarded spellings intact): “And as usual you and Hot Paprika seem to come under flak on politics.hu although you both seem to be rather quite as of late unless you are both scribbling away under new user names as bacsi and others seem to imply”
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Ricsi answers: “Indeed so ! :rolleyes: Hot Paprika is the guy who was traced on facebook and had viruses sent and ‘I am seeking gay lovers..’ messages inserted, I was threatened but never traced. Hot P is not on that forum though I occassionaly can not resist a comment,under a new alias of course.The biggest danger was ‘Gulliver’ a young lawyer working for ‘naci vadasz’ and ‘Joe’ from canada–the agitator,he was traced and the lawyer is very quiet now.bacsi is another of the gang,but not significant–to be honest the good guys,stan,tunde,etc.. have all had enough–the site is too vulnerable. Perhaps after the EU election in June,we will be able to open the Jobbik forum in English again,we will see….”
http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:W3kKSvQrtI4J:www.vivamalta.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-8776-p-10.html
Later Ricsi is asked: “How many ‘Hot Paprikas’ are there scribbling on politics.hu? Is there one trying to discredit the other?” Ricsi answers: “Back in action ! But this site is been tracked by our arch-enemies,it would seem! Pathetic, Yes we have seen several ‘hot paprikas’ appear recently,attempting to discredit the real one,however the idiots do not realise that he uses a totally different allias now and is playing them at their own game.:D that should make them think!!”
(continued)Does Ricsi monitor users of this web site? Yes in his own words: “Here in Hungary one guy was traced to his ‘Facebook’ entry (He was silly enough to use the same handle/name) and then found messages on it saying he was seeking gay lovers etc…The ‘Naci vadasz’ (Nazi hunters) group threatned me but we traced one of them instead-He was called Szallai Jozsef and operates on a municipal library computer in Toronto,Canada !! spreading hate and antagonising all who show patriotism. We have to tread quietly for now because this Government in its dying days is desperate to push through ‘hate crime and hate speech’ legislation,despite Hungarys econmic crisis,they think it is more important to ban freedom of speech.” http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:hc1Xyq3OkJQJ:www.vivamalta.org/archive/index.php/t-7642.html+ricsi+malta+hungary&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk
The use of multiple “sock puppet” posts is part of a hate speech noise machine designed to give the false impression that a sea of support exists – among foreigners and educated English speakers, no less – for extreme Hungarian right wing views, always with a ritual nod towards the policies of Jobbik. This isn’t debate, this is hijacking a news site for political use. Hirszerzo ran a piece this week looking at how Nazi hate speech played a key role in the recent murders of Roma in Hungary. http://www.hirszerzo.hu/cikk.a_naci_beszed_szerepe_a_romagyilkossagokban.122892.html Worth a read (cont…)
Would I characterize Ricsi as a Neo Nazi sympathizer? He likes to play with terms, but given one of his posts on the Neo Nazi Stormfront site, he would not seem to be hiding it from anybody: “Some brilliant links, especially the UK site http://www.nazi.org.uk Many thanks indeed.” http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showpost.php?p=6662340&postcount=2
You can call it a mallard or a teal, but if it looks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck, it’s a duck. Or a Neo-Nazi. Ricsi (and HotPaprika, the Australian who has confessed on these boards to living in Hungary on his mental disability payments from Oz) probably infest these forums on direct instruction from the Jobbik leadership, as party hacks, rather than as concerned individuals, which sets them apart from the average reader coming here expecting fair and open debate. Nor can they speak Hungarian (unlike Stan, who now spends his time prattering on at Hungarian language forums like Nol.hu) so it is obvious that Ricsi has come to treat Erik’s websites as his own personal fiefdom, lashing out at “agitators” and “provocateurs” in a number of writing styles and aliases – my favorite being the ones in which he pretends to be a Hungarian writing in less than fluent English (establishing a new low in condescending ex-pat conceits about Hungarians.) So yes, Erik, take the effort to clean up the procedure for comments, but expect that Ricsi will disregard the rules of the game as he has done so far… and L’shana Tovah 5770!
@Nacsivadasz
First they harass you and try to have you spied on. Then they threaten, bully and try to intimidate you. And if that fails and you show some spine, then they simply lie about you.
Eric where is an Article on Nacsivadasz? or are you a coward to stand up to your own kind? see this goes to prove how your principles are an illusion, your full of shit like the Kun Bela Gang of reds, make the most of it because after the election there will be a whole new contract of terms and conditions applied to your mob.
after the election there will be a whole new contract of terms and conditions applied to your mob.
Rudolf Steiner at September 19, 2009 5:19 PM
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Oh, Victor Orban will change the Constitution?
I am not so sure that you should pin your hopes to Vikki. He aims to be the next President and he definitely does not want to stand at the borders and be refused to get in.
Look what happened in 1998 and 2002.
1998 MIEP got 8% and Csurka thought MIEP would get 15% in the 2002 year General Election. MIEP got 3,5%.
So historically, the best ‘Nacsivadasz’ has been Vikki in power. And now he will get just that, power and a lot of it. Like introduce ‘hate laws’ that will silence the extreme right-wing, which anyway just make more and more problems for him.
The report is right. If you cant suppress the truth try to drown it in a welter of lies.
justasking – “You have absolutely No room to talk. Go back and read some of your own posts. YOU take mud slinging to a new level at times.”
Oh cry me a river. Your lot come here with your broken moral compasses, spouting inane bullshit, and back it up with tell us to open our eyes. When your bullshit piles up too high and you expose yourselves for who you really are, you scamper away for a bit only to come back with a new username.
The reason I don’t speak to you with a reasonable tone is because you (pl.) are essentially animals not worthy of being spoken to like rational adults. I would say I agree with less than half the stuff Vanderlo or Viking write but the difference is they live in the world of human beings and will answer direct questions when asked.
@ C’est Moi;
I have yet to see you make a point. I invite anybody to go back and read CM’s responces. He/she always comes swooping down with comments directed at the person writing, never conter-balancing with your own view.
It seems to me you never have an opinion on the articles…but a whole hell of a lot about the people sharing their views and of course your favourate political punching bag Jobbik.
You go on and on about people changing their username, saying that you can identify them by the way they write…horseshit. I just started a couple/3 weeks ago; but, according to you, we have a history. I do not even know how little I know about computors! Hell, I just learnt to google 2 years ago! Anybody that knows me, knows that I could not change my user name BECAUSE I DON”T KNOW HOW!!! And what the hell does(pl.) mean??
You do not speak to people in as much as at people. Yes, some of the things that beju and others far, far, far right say, does make me cringe and I might agree with some of the things he says but certianly not all.
This leads me to conclude that you really do not know a thing about what some of the articles are about and can not respond in a sane/educated/civil manner.
I know your little fingers are just iching to start tap, tap tapping away and you are as we speak googleing “most vulgar swearwords”. So, I leave the floor to you.
I can guarantee you that most of the ‘right wing’ comments here are not Jobbik members,only 3 or 4 are real members.The rest are extremists,die hard thugs or yes even ‘agents’ with a special agenda
Ricsi at September 18, 2009 1:53 PM
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Would you care to share the aliases of these “3 or 4 are real members”, so we others do not accuse Jobbik and its nice supporters for what “extremists,die hard thugs or yes even ‘agents’ with a special agenda” unload on this site?
@Cest Moi. MY TAKE ON THAT is that there are 3 or 4 members FOOL. Expat Hun, Beju, Filmic, Kocsog and Fantron. No wait FOOL. They are just all me. The sooner we see some moderation the better FOOL.
Albert Caiero@ or whatever alias my little zionist monitor is using today! Sorry for late reply,was travelling.
What to say? You are correct mostly,nothing to deny!
thanks for the free publicity to all those websites,I am sure they appreciate it.
Vivamalta was recently knocked out by you cowards,
Stormfront I no longer frequent-too many nutters in its forums.
http://www.nazi.org.uk is a really interesting mine of info about Germany 1933-45,films,documentaries,music,profiles of key figures etc… an excellent historical archive.
Unlike you cowards,on all the other forums I use the same name,only here do we play you lot at the same game!–But it really is boring to be honest.
For real news we all observe http://www.whatreallyhappened.com ,www.rense.com, and http://www.truthseeker.co.uk but you cowards are constantly trying to knock them out—I guess truth really hurts,but it always comes out in the end
Any thoughts on the conviction of vice president of Mazsihisz and President of Pecsi mazsihisz
Krausz Istvan for the theft of another motorists wallet in a Pecsi petrol station? temporary insanity said Maszihisz! LOL Wonder if that would have worked at Nuremburg!
Bye kiddies.
Sorry,that should read http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk.
Been down now all week,but guaranteed to return with a vengeance!!
Ricsi,
You are working on the International Front nowadays?
Are we ‘Hungarians’ to boring for you in your Jewish and German part of Hungary?
@justasking: You say: “You go on and on about people changing their username, saying that you can identify them by the way they write…horseshit. I just started a couple/3 weeks ago; but, according to you, we have a history. I do not even know how little I know about computors! Hell, I just learnt to google 2 years ago! Anybody that knows me, knows that I could not change my user name BECAUSE I DON”T KNOW HOW!!!”
But elsewhere on this forum you write: “MY TAKE ON THAT is that there are 3 or 4 members FOOL. Expat Hun, Beju, Filmic, Kocsog and Fantron. No wait FOOL. They are just all me. The sooner we see some moderation the better FOOL.”
Of this you use one of your other usernames Fantron, to which can be added many others (Anonymous, Gyuszi G. and Karman…)
Obviously you have been on these forums for a hell of a lot longer than you claim. You make no attempt to hide your linguistic signature, nor IP nor machine characteristics (all basic stuff), so it’s obvious when it is you.
I guess we will all be a lot happier when everyone gets to be themselves and no-one else for a change.
n.b. I doubt you are Beju his his machine, IP, linguistic ability do not match your
@ Vandorlo;
“Linquistic signature, no IP or machine characteristics” I have no a clue what you just said nor what that means. Really, I don’t
When I read Fantron talikng to C’est Moi, I thought he was trying to sound like Groucho Marks…I never thought that guy was funny. I do not write like that and you can even ask C’est Moi, that is not how I have writen back to her in the past.
What I want to know is, when it does come out that this is my only username( I’m sure that there is a way for Erik to confirm this) will you have the balls to appologize?
@justtasking: I’d be happy to apologise in advance and look forward to more sane discussion once registration is sorted out. Personally I’d like threaded discussion too, but this is a blog not a forum. Were a forum to be used a lot of the problems with the current format would be sorted.
@ Vandorlo;
Thanks for that.
For what it is worth, I am not lying to you when I say I know shit about computers and that I just write under this one username.
justasking – If it does turn out you are using one name I also have no pride issues in giving a mea cupla. Personally I find it hard to believe I would be proven wrong after your 2nd post here was “@ Law; Do not take this the wrong way my friend; but, I have to agree with Ricsi. If you want to unload some steam, who in my opinion, deserve it…can I suggest VT or C’est Moi.”, clearly you align yourself with them and now try to play the game of innocent victim. If you have only been here for 3 or 4 week and are already referring to Viking as VT (Viking the Troll) a moniker given by Stan or one of the other serial nutters, it does not help your case.
I have no problems speaking with people in an intelligent, rational fashion. You state you have been here only 3 or 4 weeks, well then, I suggest you read through some of the the crap we have be subjected to over the past year, they post such illogical, irrational thoughts that they are not worth discussing. If this is not you then I bare you no malice, but honestly this already stinks enough like 3 week old fish.
@ Vandorlo;
What is the difference between and blog and a forum? Do not laugh at me…I feel stupid for asking, but really do not know what the difference is.
@ C’est Moi;
As I have said before, I lean to the right politically. I alighn myself with no one. I have a soft spot for Law, because as sad as this sounds, he was “nice” to me when I first started a few weeks back.
Off the top of my head, I can not remember the article that I had first made a comment on, I think it was something to do with Slovakia. Anyhow, I had said something to the fact that there was nothing wrong with being a proud Hungarian and that I was. No longer did I hit send, that I was attacked for being a racist! Because I had never been here before and for the life of me can not remember how I even found this sight, you can imagine my shock.
No I do not know what you have been subjected to over this past year, that being said, I believe Viking was the first person I met. Thats when the dance began. If you look back to when I started, you will see that Viking and I went back and forth for hours. I have yet to see anybody pay that much attention to him. That in itself should have told you that I was a political.hu virgin. Again, Law gave me a quick run down on the who’s and the whats. I have found him really passionate regarding Hungary and injustices of her past.You got to remember, before this sight, the only time I heard some of the stuff that is being said here was behind closed doors.
Again Law, Kreston, Vandorlo(more often then not) Laci, have always treated me respectfully. Bantering back and forth is fun, getting verbally beat up is not.
justasking – sorry I can not play your game. You must think I am some dumb hippy, all forgive and forget, when you pull your “oh, I just learned to use the computer”. You have stated you were born in the 60 yet don’t know how to use a computer, who do you expect to swallow that? I know exactly who you are, from your Frank Zappa quotes and this nice little tidbit “There is a big difference between your regular joe blow Jew and the one a part of the “establishment”…it is the latter whom I can not tolerate.” which is exactly what you have written in the past under the name of Stan or Bejew. You are not going to play me.
Who knows, maybe your looking to turn over a new leaf and not be an extremist dickhead anymore, most likely to protect your shop from furhter exposure. So go ahead and sweet talk Vandorlo, he’ll see through you lies soon enough, and keep talking up the web virgin lines, at the end of the day everyone will know, yet again, its you.
@ C’est Moi;
Wow! They really pulled a number on you to make you so defensive and paranoid. I could care less if you believe me or not.
There is a big difference between being computer savy to the point where you can be labled an “IT” expert or you can perfect the programs that you use everyday which I have and nothing else to do with computers.
As for the Frank Zappa quotes, of course I have heard of him…but not enough about him to start spitting out quotes!
But now ask yourself, why would I want to “sweet” talk Vandorlo? Do you think I want us all to be friends or something?
I am not turning over a new leaf or any such thing, I’m going to still plug along and make my little comments. I’m saying though it would be nice to know that when I do, somebody is not going to come flying in to assacinate my character.
I enjoy bantering back and forth, I don’t mind if somebody ask if I have fallen on my pointed head because they do not agree with what I have writen.
So, again believe what you want. But I would appreciate if you never address me again. If we happen to be on the same page commenting on the same article, pretend that I am not even there and I will do the same to you.
Off the top of my head, I can not remember the article that I had first made a comment on, I think it was something to do with Slovakia. Anyhow, I had said something to the fact that there was nothing wrong with being a proud Hungarian and that I was. No longer did I hit send, that I was attacked for being a racist!
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If you look back to when I started, you will see that Viking and I went back and forth for hours. I have yet to see anybody pay that much attention to him. That in itself should have told you that I was a political.hu virgin.
justasking at September 20, 2009 8:40 PM
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Let us fresh up your memory (I *am* a ‘Computer Expert’), please look into (http://www.politics.hu/20090901/slovak-language-law-brought-to-attention-of-white-house) and tell where I did anything else but engage with you in an open debate, where is the name calling from my side, that on another thread the following happens:
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Well, well, well, here we have:
- a Canadian,
- an Australian,
- a Finn(?),
- and a Swede discussing Hungary.
And some people claim ‘multiculturalism’ does not work…
Viking at September 4, 2009 12:26 AM
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Viking;
Have you ever considered…suicide? I think you should, and I’m not joking !!!
Good night all!!!!!!
justasking at September 4, 2009 4:09 AM
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You write about ‘Hungarians is like a family and a family poke their noses in each others business’.
Do you recommend suicide to your family members also?
Only Stan, Godot, Beju and you use this type of arguments.
@ Viking;
No actually, I never reccomended that anyone commit suicide ever before and especially not to family…I have to admit, that I did regret sending that one. And that is as close to an apology as you are going to get.
Viking, I invite you to peruse this morning exchange on Pesticide concerning “wear that number plate” at a time when most civilized people are sleeping here in Hungary, yet close to Midnight in the West Coast, there was quite a little flurry between Stan and his many aliases. Quite a story teller.
Viking;
Actually it is exactly 2:27 pm standard mountian time.
I have to admit, that I did regret sending that one. And that is as close to an apology as you are going to get.
justasking at September 20, 2009 9:59 PM
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Well, that took several weeks to sink in.
You had no problems to continue in thread (http://www.politics.hu/20090904/hungarian-meps-unite-to-fight-slovak-language-law):
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Better idea. Show them how…you first and I’ll make sure that the proper notes are taken!!!
justasking at September 4, 2009 11:03 PM
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justasking,
Do you get a hard-on on telling people that they should kill themselves?
Viking at September 4, 2009 11:23 PM
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Did I offend you? Good !!
justasking at September 4, 2009 11:42 PM
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If 19 hours did not get you to regret that remark, I do not think you are sincere in this ‘apology’. It is a typical coward’s twists and turns when proven wrong. So is this cowardice from your ‘Hungarian Heritage with DNA from Babylon (or where ever is the popular theory today)’ or is it what happens when you are born and raised in Canada?
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Your comment at September 4, 2009 11:03 PM is so Stan/Godot-type of. My vote goes for you being Stan/Godot.
@ Viking;
I am not twisting out of anything and I told you that I regreted sending it, an all out apology has not been extended.
You have said some humm dinger stuff yourself so you can stop trying to look like a victim.
Since there is an election going on in regards to figuring out peoples multiple usernames, I say that Beju/Kocsog are the same and I have a feeling that Bobcountry and Laci could be for they are always so polite.
You have said some humm dinger stuff yourself so you can stop trying to look like a victim.
justasking at September 20, 2009 10:51 PM
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Me a victim?
A Swedish Viking?
OMG that would really suit me to try to look like ‘The Raped Hungary by Trianon’.
I think that is more your style.
@Viking;
Okay, Okay this is getting really old!
But enough of this ” I know who you really are” bullshit!
If you want to call me Stan, go ahead! My real name is Zsuzsa! No that you care, not that you believe me! I have nothing to hide! So, you do what you have to do to get yourself through the night. Either, comment on another article or piss off!!!
@justasking: “What is the difference between and blog and a forum?” In content, virtually nothing apart from the blog owner always gets to lead the discussion with their post in a blog. Here the postings are mainly relays of news stories from other sources.
Visually and in terms of organisation forums make the overlapping ‘threads’ of a discussion clearer. Meaning as each person picks on a particular aspect of a discussion these are visually distinct. Forum software also has standard things like karma ratings (ability of forum members to be rated by the forum master and other participants), personal/instant messaging (ability to send private messages directly to other forum members independent of discussion threads) and various content filters (from spam, porn through to the innocent smiley conversions).
Typically also, most forum software has long solved the problems associated with multiple impersonations/personality disorders.
Anyway, that would probably be too much work for the folks here. They would need to set up something like ldap behind the scenes and allow central user registration (a facade pattern).
My guess is they just want to implement some form of OpenID, Facebook Connect, Google Friend Connect… Anything would help.
@ Vandorlo;
You better be careful on how civil you are to me, I do not think that your fellow left bloggers(if that is the correct term) would appreaciate it.
At this point I am not sure that I want to continue, for the past several hrs, (I don’t know why I let myself get sucked it) I have experience the rath of Beju/Kocsog. The man is relentless.
But I’m sure that somebody is going to explain it away that I was actually having a conversation with myself.
Anyway, thanks for answering my question, I still don’t get it though. Can’t this Erik guy confirm a persons user name? Is it not possible to make a “list” of people with multiple user names and post them? Or is that a stupid question?
@justasking: Hopefully we are all heading back towards a more civil discussion, anyway.
I wouldn’t worry about Köcsög, in my books he is the lowest of the low – a self hating, ignorant Hungarian who openly professes a loathing for anything concerning Hungary and Hungarians whilst still going off on the zsidózás, multinationals, roma,… and has multi-personas (hence leading to the false positive with your appearance).
A list could/can be drawn up, but would lead to false positive and false negatives until there is proper registration. Any list until would be based on statistical correlations of various data (machine spec, IP, user’s language etc…) which is inexact on low data samples and can be obfuscated – though only the user Visitor/Pávaszem/… knows enough or cares enough to bother with those (though he never disguises his machine characteristics, god knows why).
@ Vandorlo;
You realise they only part I understood was what you said about Kocsog.
If you want to call me Stan, go ahead!
justasking at September 20, 2009 11:25 PM
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Actually after reading your exchange with someone starting with K over at Pestiside I tend to agree with you and I sincerely and publicly apologize for thinking you were Stan.
Or is it Stan I should apologize to, for thinking he could write like you?
WTF, it is early Monday morning, I apologize to both of you!
Vándorló,
to my knowledge the Jobbik office use Tor to hide themselves.
That is how the set up the ‘GypsieCrime’-site in the US, to protect themselves, both as an organization and individuals, from legal problems. At that time they did not know how society would react and they did that as a test.
What followed we all know.
@ Viking;
I have to say I F*&^ing nearly fell off my chair after reading that. I THANK-YOU. I too apologize for the times I took it too far and attacked your character.
You still have alot to learn about Hungarian history, but I am willing to stick around to teach you. No, No, you just thank me later.
“we’re already working on something that will still allow people to give a piece of their mind, while keeping things a lot more civil like they used to be, hopefully to be implemented soon…”
RIP, politics.hu
@Viking: “…to my knowledge the Jobbik office use Tor to hide themselves…” Tor is what Pávaszem uses, too. Easiest thing is to just block those http://proxy.org/tor.shtml It still won’t stop anonymizers, but at will slow the half computer literate from clogging up discourse.
blah blah blah. Personally, I think the real solution is to have the politics.hu fightclub. The first rule of p.hu fightclub is you don’t talk about fightclub. Then we’ll all meet somewhere, and we can all talk….or not talk if so inclined face to face. I for one would gladly look forward to being called a thieving jew who needs to be shot. Who needs caffeine when you can just read the posts here. If that doesn’t get your heart pumping, nothing will.
Vándorló,
I was about to propose if Visitor/Pávaszem actually is Elod Novak, but thought that was a bit to hard.
Maybe I was not so far out there…
@justasking
“I say that Beju/Kocsog are the same and I have a feeling that Bobcountry and Laci could be for they are always so polite.”
justasking at September 20, 2009 10:51 PM
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Charmed… but nope… just me.
To my esteemed readers,
As a man who posts under the name listed on my birth certificate, I would like to assure my readers that I always have, and always will post only under the username of “Farkas László”, and none other, although I may sign off at the end of a post as “Laci”(I sometimes address certain individuals in a personal way, reminscent of letter writing.) I am not “bobscountry” or anyone else.
I have never been tempted to resort to multiple names (lord there is enough Babel like confusion around here as it is!) I stand by what I have to say around here, and put my personal name on it.
Then there is also the issue of someone using your username, something that I think should be disallowed through some filter or registration process. But no matter, I am not easily counterfieted.
Well said Laci. I totally agree with you 100%. ( Fantron etc NOW THAT is “sarcasm” )
#Ricsi: “I notice real news these days is only shown over at Caboodle were comments can’t be added…” Good call! &, tabloidization is another ploy Erik the Skunk is spraying on us to drive away intelligent discourse and people like Sophie, Tünde or anyone who successfully challenges AHM’s neocon hype
#justasking@ Arsène Youpin: “I have yet to see [him] make a point” Exactly! He only curses you or applauds his fellow Zionists but couldn’t come up with a single freakin’ argument of his own if his life depended on it. ( Oh, what was his name in the States; Was it Goldman, or Sherman, or Gates…
#bobs… “There is certainly a degree of validity in this post…” There would be if it wouldn’t be so one sided. And that picture… give me a break. “The net allows for an ideological safety valve” The net foretells the coming revolution… Timber! “conflated vulgar and far-right” Like I said, the usual double standards apply. And ‘left’ and ‘right’ are meaningless double talk to begin with unless we understand that ‘far right’ means poor people, the dispossessed our ‘progressive’ friends fear more than vampires fear holy water (and the similarities don’t end there.
@ Pavaszem
I am not Arsene Youpin. Like Laci, I only write under one username.
#bobs… cont.: Of course it is the victims that are angry and not the victimizers and the victimizers’ fellow travelers including most expats who also make out like bandits. Twisting this into a picture that vilifies the victims is as arrogant as it is mendacious and just as ridiculous and hypocritical as a bunch of vulgarians and pornographers pissing and moaning about vulgarity and ‘cyber-barbarians’ while ‘Nazi hunters,’ C’est Mois, Krestons or any Zionist can do no wrong.
#Sophist: “Please, bring it on.” Don’t you even want to know what they are ‘bringing on’ before you cheer it?
#Erik: “never received any pressure (or even any comment!) from advertisers about the political direction of comments or articles.” But you have received pressure from someone, yes? May I ask who pressures you? And, how about persuasion“Law: If you think that I or Zoltan are leftists or Hungarian-haters, you must be new to the site” No you ain’t leftists, whatever that means, just staunch supporters of Israel and Zionism, Necons, I mean not one negative comment of the master race ever, no matter what they do. Mammon wouldn’t approve, right?
@justasking: I know, ‘justasking@Arsène Youpin’ refers to your comment to him.
@Erik, continued: To say you are biased would be an understatement. And what kind of “Hungarian history” does Zoltan study at Liverpool anyway? Does he go to comprador school or something?
#Farkas László: “The problem is that at the same time he is running banner ads from corporate sponsors” Like corporate sponsors care about anything but the number of eyeballs translated into profits. The same corporate sponsors that we are constantly told will leave us if we don’t hug our Gypsies or kowtow to the master race dealt with Stalin, Mao and would deal with Satan himself if they could turn a profit doing it. They have no morals.
@ Pavaszem;
Sorry, I read what you wrote wronge. Lets just say, even though accusations have died down, I am still a little “jumpy”
#Vándorló, Legion, קוועטש, Knaker, etc.: “Jobbik got rid of their discussion forum” They did and it sucks. You can still comment in English on http://tr.im/zmBm though. “althir.org, barikad.hu, hunhir.hu” are Magyar language sites, an equivalent of politics.hu would be http://www.hungarianambiance.com or varangy.blogspot.com another excellent web. “Sophie before she disappeared in disgust” One of the people she was disgusted with was you, horsie, so cut the crocodile tears, you hypocrite. “Anything would help” And, how many nicks have you had on these here boards, you little phony? And I still remember your tirade at Tünde when she suggested what you’re so approving of all of a sudden. You are such a bullshit artist!
#Zoltan: “The far-left is equally capable of being vulgar, but over here it’s been primarily exhibited by the far-right,” Prove it!
@Pávaszem: 1. I never had a tirade at Tünde over registrations. 2. Sophie may have been disgusted with me, but that was not her given excuse for running away, she put that down to someone namejacking her. 3. I used different names when a bunch of asshats started. I shouldn’t have, but given that you lot were attempting to clone yourselves across these forums I was playing you at your game. You can always tell when it is me by a number of thing: vocabulary (a deliberately repeated words I knew no-one else had/does use), the link and email I give and by the general tone and form of my responses e.g. using “@Name:” at the start of my response etc… You would be an idiot not to have followed. Following which I also went through your and Tünde’s various false accusations and clarified which were and weren’t me.
You were one of the people that started all this crap off, well before anyone else. Anyway, who cares, let’s hope it’s sorted soon.
hungarianambiance.com: was over there last week, may contribute if they ever manage to up the editorial and have more factual fewer opinion pieces. The others I read from time to time, but I have to admit the bollocks spouted on those boards (hun) is pathetic.
RDF: “Visitor/Pávaszem actually is Elod Novak” Oh no, you got me! I mean us. You’re just too smart for me reindeerlover! Now what?
Psz,
#Sophist: “Please, bring it on.” Don’t you even want to know what they are ‘bringing on’ before you cheer it?
it = “something that will still allow people to give a piece of their mind, while keeping things a lot more civil”
“Please” is a request, not a cheer. “Bring it on” is a challenge.
Farkas László for moderator. Yay! (best cheer I could manage)
@Sophist: “it” is the ‘official version.’ Erik & Co. babble about censorship again because they can’t stand up to a steady stream of implied threats coming from the ‘Derniers des Justes:’ Oscar Jászi, CEU, Sörös, Vásárhelyi, Éva S. Balogh types. If they can’t take the heat they should exit the kitchen and let Hungarian Ambiance et al. go in. “moderator. Yay!” Don’t be so 20th century! If you don’t want to see stuff, use a bozofilter http://userscripts.org/tags/bozofilter and let me decide what I want or don’t want to see or know. What AHM should ‘bring on’ is real news instead of tabloid trash or censorship IMHO. Readers comments would be different too, want to bet? Too bad for Erik though ‘he coulda had class. He coulda been a contender. He coulda been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what he is, let’s face it…’
@Vándormén: “I never had a tirade at Tünde” (Időközben a plafon gondolom rádszakadt…) So, what do you call this: “I hereby declare and demand my freedom to remain unbound and shackled by name, epithet, nom-de-plume, nickname, avatar, proper noun or any other linguistically identifiable and stable index, now or in perpetuity. I declare this right in direct protest at Tünde’s targetted turdish tempter tantrums over name-shifting… etc. signed Vándorló, Légió, Legion, 三人成虎, נרון קסר 壁に耳あり、障子に目あり” http://bit.ly/i5tmB a jeremiad? “if they ever manage to up the editorial and have more factual fewer opinion pieces…” Have you suggested it to them or are you just waiting for them to read your mind? “the bollocks spouted on those boards (hun) is pathetic” You mean stuff like this: A nyugatias globalitás USA által megjelenített birodalma ellen egyre átfogóbb planetáris dimenziójú lázadás van kibontakozóban. Ennek fő szereplői Kína, India, Oroszország, a radikális iszlám élén Iránnal, valamint számos latin-amerikai ország… jó lenne… óvatosan nyitni az előbb említett lázadó koalíció felé. barikad.hu/node/24284 or this http://bit.ly/JmW01 ?
@Begubózott agyú: I repeat “I never had a tirade at Tünde over registrations”. R-e-g-i-s-t-r-a-t-i-o-n-s. Get it? Use of alternate names, such as you and some of your brothers in arms pioneered I went along with, not actually giving a shit as it is pretty easy to work out who is who anyway. You spout nonsense, what else is there to work out?
And Legion was, of course, a possessed schizophrenic type, so I was making it clear the shallow and deranged nature of my protest against The Fairy and her like.
You are confusing registration with filtering, censorship, editorialising. None of that has been mentioned to date. Simply the need to have people register and then comment. This can still be done anonymously. If you don’t know how to get round registration restrictions I would be very surprised. It’s piss easy with the required tools out there ready to use. Don’t be such an uptight prig.
“You mean stuff like this…” Yes, that’s exactly the stuff I mean. Same old same old. Why do you lot think you think differently. You are all cloned robots and people like you has been walking in circles blaming all and sundry for as long as I’ve known. Shameless, vacuous diatribes. Learn to think differently.
I don’t think anyone could replace Van, he’s the only one I’ve ever seen use the word ‘obfuscate’ so often in general speech.
Sorry Van.
@anon600ad: I use ‘subfusc’ too often too (must be the ‘fusc’ bit that appeals, both from fuscus, dark). I only know 500 words in total, anyway.
Van, my favourite word at the moment is ‘ineptitude’. I find it is very fitting in describing the ability of University staff to run their own systems.
@halfpennyapoundonthehoof: “I never had a tirade at Tünde over registrations. R-e-g-i-s-t-r-a-t-i-o-n-s. Get it?” This ‘Why is it that Pesticide is still incapable of having posters register like every other blog in the world?’ per Tünde
)) “Registration… filtering, censorship, editorialising. None of that has been mentioned to date” All of it has been mentioned and discussed repeatedly with your participation. “think differently” What am I missing here? Do we agree I just don’t notice? How could I think any more differently than you people? (Helpful suggestions will be highly appreciated.)
http://www.pestiside.hu/20090319/pop-quiz-which-ceu-professor-is-an-unapologetically-illiberal-hater-of-free-speech#c20 is what you replied to. (Since you don’t like ‘tirade’ we’ll call it a hissy fit, OK?) “Legion was, of course, a possessed schizophrenic type” One of your multiple personalities I presume? (I’m going to piss my pants folks…
@Argusz-(halott)-szeme: You are spectactularly dim witted or confused. I amnot/was not Marianna, and I never responded directly to Tünde in the comment she gave (#20) that you linked to, rather I offered (#25) technical suggestions to Erik and admin about how they might meet Tünde’s demands most easily: “Just some unhelpful suggestions of solutions you have probably already thought of and ruled out. For authentication and authorization why not outsource this to solutions like OpenID – it’s been built into OpenType since MT4? Or the standard LDAP configuration (http://www.movabletype.org/documentation/enterprise/install.html )?
For outsourcing the whole comment stream management there’s even Google’s OpenSocial container you can plug in easily with FriendConnect – the obvious disadvantage being loss of loyalty and less user lock-in.
I think so far there is a pretty much workable if uncomfortable balance in what goes on here anyway. The community aspect of this seems to be fairly robust and ‘self-policing’, to the point where you have managed to upset pretty much everyone. Well done!!”
So just give it up. All your hundred eyes have indeed fallen asleep. Time to stop playing the body guard to Hera/Tünde.
@élősúlyban 2 fillér fontja: “I never responded directly to Tünde…” You remind me of a politician who denied taking bribes without blinking an eye right after he was confronted with several hours of video that showed him doing just that: I am impressed Horsie Boy!
@Pávácska: How low you have come. First making stuff up (repeatedly), then unable to back up statement and claims even to Tünde’s satisfaction and now you are simply unable to follow and argument.
I’ll repeat my basic stance for you so you don’t have to struggle:
1. I approve of registration
2. It is up to the webmaster to determine their policy on offensive material and any censorship policy.
3. I have never advocated any censorship here.
4. I would not be offended or feel it wrong for anyone to implement any censorship policy they see fit when they are may be financially and legally responsible for the content others produce. In particular, when there parties producing offensive comment could and should bear the full financial and legal costs themselves alone.
I have nothing more to say on this. You are repetitive and boring.
we’re already working on something that will still allow people to give a piece of their mind, while keeping things a lot more civil like they used to be, hopefully to be implemented soon
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So, still being “implemented soon”?