In an alarming indication of our likely inability to melt into cyberspace if the shit really hits the fan here in Hungary, someone just called us on the telephone, from England, wanting to know if the official ban on the Magyar Gárda extends to fundraising for Hungary’s favorite/loathed patriot/wingnut militia/self-defense league. More specifically, they wanted to know whether, if it isn’t kosher, legally-speaking, to collect shekels for the MG in HU, whether it would also not be OK in the UK. Anyone have any idea? In the interests of full disclosure, the person asking is not an MG fan. But fans may also want to know, so if we figure out the answer everyone comes out a winner!
Can our witch of a Nan back in Nantwich give money to the Gárda?
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This is another example of top quality churnalism.
Jobbik holds an event in London.
1. They state on the day of the event Sunday 6th, that a collection was made of Great Ormand Street hospital.
http://www.jobbik.com/europe-news/3140.html
2. But a full day later, Monday 7th, MTI produces the lie that money was being raised for the Hungarian Guard. This Politics.hu dutifully repeats and reports. I think I recall Erik saying at the time that such details were not worth confirming: because they were “insignificant.”
Apparently not it seems…
http://www.politics.hu/20091207/jobbik-denies-links-to-uk-group-of-same-name
3. Thus strengthened the lie now does the rounds. Don’t be naive, it was always intended to, the facts are unimportant.
Until it finds itself here:
http://www.nothingbritish.com/12/kentish-town-british-jobbik-association-meeting/
While a bucket like this:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3457/3798452992_2f3ca89e9b.jpg
(I did call the pub up, on 00 44 20 7482 3227, that’s all it took!)
Turns into, as far as “Nothing British” is concerned a:
“red bucket with a sticker of the Jobbik logo and the Hungarian shield”
4. Following which Politics.hu gets a call from Nantwich. A recent conservative surprise win, where they fear Labour may return next year, and the Torys are therefore worried that the BNP will erode their vote. (Nothing British is funded by the Conservatives) Q.E.D.
Welcome to modern smear politics. Just say total bullshit, get as many people to independently confirm said bullshit. The press like it because it’s juicy (Hungarian “neo-Fascists” collecting money for a militia back home, reminiscent of the old Sinn Fein/IRA thing in the States, I suppose this is what it’s supposed to conjure up.), and the fact that it’s juicy is more important than the fact that it’s a lie.
HEY PRESTO!
A lie becomes a “fact.”
And it may henceforth spring into the mouths of…
…Vándorló, Viking, wolfi et al ad infinitum.
@Bobs…: Over at the WordSpy blog they have the perfect description of your illness as the word of the day: http://www.wordspy.com/words/dysrationalia.asp
And it may henceforth spring into the mouths of…
…Vándorló, Viking, wolfi et al ad infinitum.
bobscountrybunker at December 9, 2009 10:56 PM
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Being on the invitation-list:
a) Why should I be interested in why/what they do in the UK?
I live in Hungary.
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2) Why is Bob interested in what is happening in the UK?
He lives there.
Truth hurts, doesn’t it boys?
Monday 7th, MTI produces the lie that money was being raised for the Hungarian Guard. This Politics.hu dutifully repeats and reports
http://www.politics.hu/20091207/jobbik-denies-links-to-uk-group-of-same-name
bobscountrybunker at December 9, 2009 10:56 PM
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OK, you want a discussion, so *where in the above quoted article does it ‘Politics.hu dutifully repeats and reports’ ‘the lie that money was being raised for the Hungarian Guard’.
I can only see that in the comment section by some ‘x’, but is Eric now responsible for your statements also?
If you are writing a rebuttal, please direct the rebuttal to the correct article.
Welcome to modern smear politics. Just say total bullshit, get as many people to independently confirm said bullshit. The press like it because it’s juicy (Hungarian “neo-Fascists” collecting money for a militia back home, reminiscent of the old Sinn Fein/IRA thing in the States, I suppose this is what it’s supposed to conjure up.), and the fact that it’s juicy is more important than the fact that it’s a lie
bobscountrybunker at December 9, 2009 10:56 PM
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Bob, bob – Have you finally lost it?
Why did you not go directly to the mouth of the horse:
“Az egész esemény alatt gyűjtést rendezünk az Új Magyar Gárda részére”
or as Google translates it:
“The whole event under the new arrange collection for the Hungarian Guard”
or as the ‘There is Nothing British about the BNP’ translates it:
“Troughout the event we will be organising a collection for the New Hungarian Guard”
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Take your pick and chose translation from the original Jobbik-website:
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http://www.jobbik.hu/rovatok/alapszervezeti_hirek/angliaban_megalakult_a_jobbik_britanniai_tarsasaga
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I have no doubt that this will lead to a quick reaction on the Hungarian web-site, but it just shows how Bob either is a fool, being fooled, or is part of the scam.
I think the stage is yours, Bob.
If you do not run away as usual.
I do not care what either of you say or do. Why? It is very simple.
1. Phone that telephone number.
2. Speak to the owner. (his name is John).
3. Ask him if a collection took place. “Yes. What did it take place with. “A red help-for-heroes bucket.” (That’s not a bucket with a Hungarian crest.)
4. What was it for? “Great Ormond Street hospital.”
5. Are you sure? “My son died there.”
Only one person here is speaking with the benefit of confirmed verifiable fact. The rest of you are just blowing smoke out of your asses: as usual.
And if Jobbik said one thing and then did quite another, then it is all to their credit: they have been very very clever indeed. The story was therefore clearly written before anyone had actually witnessed events. This is the way it is usually done, but it is an important difference. The one is called fiction, the other news.
Jobbik has a case to legally sue the pants of these guys. And it is probably this that is their cunning money earning scheme, not rattling a collection bucket. Which explains the UK thing too, libel laws in the UK are the most notorious in the world.
I can assure you that the Communists terrorists of MSZP/SZDSZ mafia could not do a thing to anyone living in America who wanted to donate to Jobbik or Magyar Garda.
Americans would have trouble understanding these Communist laws of Rakosi era.
What will these Communist want to do next? Do they want to start pulling out Hungarian patriots’ fingernails for donating to the Garda?
And if Jobbik said one thing and then did quite another, then it is all to their credit
bobscountrybunker at December 10, 2009 4:02 AM
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So, now you admit that it was a public plan to collect money to the Magyar Garda, good.
Your other statement that it did not happen and all is part of a Grand Master Plan by Jobbik to be able to sue all in the UK that claims what Jobbik stated publicly before the event actually took place and not the officially edited Jobbik version afterwards.
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One problem there according to the organisation ‘Nothing British about BNP’ claims that
“Most alarming is the Society’s apparent role as a revenue-raising outfit for Jobbik’s banned militia, the Hungarian Guard.
Nothing British has an undercover recording of the event which includes a financial collection request for the Hungarian by Fuzessy”
If you want to hear the recording from this meeting (in Hungarian) go to:
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http://vimeo.com/8072403
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I assume that Jobbik will use that recording to prove its point in Court when they suing everyone that claim it is not true?
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Finally, let me just state that I personally have no problem if some people collect money in the UK for whatever. I just find it interesting that the Jobbik UK mouth-pieces, like Bob, is going to such extremes trying to deny it.
Why?
What is the problem with collecting a few pounds, or how much did the 45 participants actually give?
MTI: 10 December 2009, Thursday
Hungary’s president receives Elie Wiesel
http://english.mti.hu/default.asp?menu=1&theme=2&cat=25&newsid=266382
[REDACTED]
Given that you’re feeling a bit under the weather Erik, I thought I’d be helpful and save you trouble of having to just “copy & paste” this one yourself. Thoughtful ain’t I?…
Note that I removed the story cut and pasted above because it would probably put us in violation of our contract with MTI, which allows us the right to publish a certain number of pieces a day. But if you want to go read the piece just follow the link.
@Bobs…: Any award coming from him it is somewhat patronising for a country like Hungary given the current socio-political status brought about by the collective neglect (MSZP-Fidesz-SZDSZ) and active intimidation (Fidesz-Jobbik) of the Roma, given his denial or at least efforts to play down the genocide of the Roma.
Don’t know what this is all about. MG and Jobbik
can go their own merry way. I have just read Vona Gábor’s ‘take’ on the problems in Hungary today and how he and Jobbik intend to solve them.
Lightweight and flawed is my synopsis. Good intent but unsound logic and a million miles to go to convince me, and many other Hungarians I suspect, that they are a genuine alternative to the knock-about MSZP and Fidesz parties.
The original article makes as much sense as the rock-eating robots discussed on a National Geographic program recently. They can literally duplicate themselves at an alarming rate to the extent that after a number of years there will be so many of them that they will devour so much rock that the earth will implode. Sounds like an alternative to Gabor’s thoughts on the gypsies taking over Eastern Europe
This gibberish trying to talk down Jobbik’s program does not work any more. There is not one specific objection, just gibberish.
We know all about the Communists MSZP/SZDSZ program, tax-tax-tax and steal-steal-steal. These criminals are arrested almost daily and the damage their thievery is doing to the country is devastating.
The very least Fidesz can do after the 2010 election is to stop the bleeding, the Communists criminal and terrorist activities. However, that will not be enough. Fidesz needs to hold to account all thieves who are robbing the Hungarian people blind and all terrorists that brutalize peaceful Hungarian citizens who protest against the deplorable conditions created by the Communist MSZP/SZDSZ mafia. Fidesz needs to hold to account the criminals who sold Hungarian properties way under value and get every square foot of Hungarian property back that was obtained through questionable means.
One of the cornerstones of Jobbik’s program is the protection of Hungarian farmland and other national resources from foreign predators. Jobbik will review every one of these transactions all the way back to gengszterváltás. Jobbik expects Fidesz to do the same after the 2010 election and if Fidesz fails the Hungarian people, Jobbik can deliver after the 2014 election.
Police is not supposed to be an instrument of Communist MSZP/SZDSZ mafia terror. In every civilized society, the primary function of the police is to serve and protect the population. Ordering hundreds of heavily armed police officers with heavy equipment, trucks and helicopter surveillance to peaceful Jobbik and Magyar Garda gatherings while leaving the population helpless and exposed to cigánybűnözők is an outrage that will stop after Fidesz takes over.
@Mark: Rest assured that we couldn’t possibly talk down Jobbik’s ‘program’, because as Bobs… has admitted one does not exist. We are all waiting eagerly for January the 16th (that was right, wasn’t it Bobs…?) when it is to be finally revealed to us all.
“Jobbik’s program is the protection of Hungarian farmland and other national resources from foreign predators” – YES, Jobbik lead Hungary into the next decade with a strong 5 year plan to turn Hungary into Europe’s great agrarian society. This of course is the only way forward! Just wondering Mark, clearly you were not raised in this country, by this I mean the country I live in, Hungary, do you actually live here now or are you just another outside agitator. Thanks for bring your refreshing populist voice to the discussion, too bad its about 100 years too late.
@C’est Moi: Mark is one of the many Jobbik patriots that doesn’t live here, probably never has, does not contribute to the economy or society in any way and doesn’t have any plans to. He is coming from Houston, Texas. I believe that’s pretty close to Sátoraljaújhely.
Miert mondanak neked es hozzad hasonloknak barmit is magamrol?
Sorry, it could be that you had something witty to say but since I don’t read hungarian, nor pretend to be hungarian, just actually live in Hungary, contribute to the Hungarian economy, occasionally contribute to the Hungarian gene pool, and otherwise observe how people with these twisted thought processes are destroying — if you can destroy something which was already in shambles — the country bit by bit everyday, I could care less anyway.
Mark’s voice sounds very familiar… could it be “Texas Tom” friend of the long-lost “Ricsi”! Greetings out there in Tejas, my alarmist friend! Glad to see you’re fixated toward the “commies” now instead of Jews!
As for Bobsnonsense…
“And if Jobbik said one thing and then did quite another, then it is all to their credit: they have been very very clever indeed.”
So if Jobbik ‘has’ to use deception to make sure the ‘ends justify the means’ well I suppose that’s even *better* huh? Shows their cleverness!! My kind of political organization…
Viking has been doing his homework!
Must be hard for your bauer types to get over those old AVO habits of collecting information on people who you do not like.
What do you mean ‘collecting information’? Your annoying voice sounded annoyingly familiar. I have a ‘gift’ for that I think, call it musical talent.
Must be hard for paranoid folks like YOU, on the other hand, to see conspiracies popping out of every nearby bush. I guess you found your “mission in life” in your hatred of Communists, Jews, Roma, etc…
You should consider trading that in for a few friends and an agreeable manner… it really would be WORTH the trade. It must not be fun going through life being so ANGRY at whole groups of people.
I do not care where the Communist trash post from and what their real or professed nationality, religion is, or where they post from. You accuse others of hate because they object to murder, torture and dispossession of others. You are hate. It is the truth that you fear the most because the truth will set the people free.
That’s it Mark, you show that Red Menace who’s boss!
It’s difficult to tell if these people are genuine retards or just trolling.
the whole Jobbik/BNP bunch always struck me as either extremely bigoted and idiotic, or one of the best pieces of political satire of the 21st century.
and then when bobscountrybunker goes on to actually flat out deny something Jobbik publicised, your confidence is restored that these impotent nutcases clearly couldn’t get it together to arrange a piss up at a brewery.
as Mark said… “It is the truth that you fear the most because the truth will set the people free.” – the thing is, that only works for you if it’s the truth that you’re interested in as opposed to say… ooh I dunno… pushing your own agenda?
You Oliver seem to be so concerned about the truth that you had to come on with this “folksy” piss up comment. Tour nonsense about Jobbik being “bigoted and idiotic” is bigoted and idiotic. The panic of the shrill chorus of Communist murderers and their supporters calling everyone names who had enough of their terror is downright comical. Don’t piss on my leggs and try to tell me it is raining!
Could someone possibly explain to me what it is Mark is trying to say? all I can read is some unintelligible nonsense about communist murderers having a sing-song and Jobbik being Centrist.
and he doesn’t like people pissing on his legs, but then, who does?
Your problem with you two is worse than that, you piss on yourself and try to tell us that it is raining.
These criminals are arrested almost daily and the damage their thievery is doing to the country is devastating.
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Fidesz needs to hold to account all thieves who are robbing the Hungarian people blind and all terrorists that brutalize peaceful Hungarian citizens who protest against the deplorable conditions created by the Communist MSZP/SZDSZ mafia
Mark at December 11, 2009 7:53 AM
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It is here I get lost in Mark/Tim/Tom/Ricsi’s “logic” (OK just very widely):
* Why would the ruling “Communist MSZP/SZDSZ mafia” allow that “These criminals are arrested almost daily”?
Are these Mafioso so stupid that they cannot even control their own Police and Prosecutors?
If not, how do these Mafioso get the Police to
“Ordering hundreds of heavily armed police officers with heavy equipment, trucks and helicopter surveillance to peaceful Jobbik and Magyar Garda gatherings”?
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The Mafioso are the Government and control everything because as Mark normally claims – ‘Hungary is a jewish communist dictatorship’, but how can they then not stop some of their own being arrested?
Do they not understand that is bad news?
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Well, this never happened when Rakosi was running the show, then it was ordnung. Now it looks more like the Mafioso lost control, like 20 years ago.
It is interesting to note how much criticism Jobbik attract when the real wolf in sheep’s clothing is the MSZP. It might have escaped your attention but they are the party who have put this country in the doldrums.
Hungary has had fantastic opportunities in recent years and squandered them Why?
Inefficient government, corruption, and bureaucracy that belongs to an age before the wheel was invented.
MALEV, MAV, BKV, FLYBALATON, TAX, CORRUPTION, etc etc just a few of the issues that could be debated rather than attacking a minority party that does not have a single MP nor, perhaps, more than 5-10 per cent of potential voters support?
Jobbik is not ‘attacked’ because that it is responsible for the current mess, just for the description of what has taken place since 1989 and its proposals for the future.
That are normal things in a political debate.
If Jobbik did not run the Blame-Game on Jews and Roma, the discussion would probably be a bit more ‘sophisticated’. It is your fellow Jobos that very much put the level of the debate.
I quite do not understand where ‘TAX’ came into your list. In Europe we just love high taxes, something that is hard for most US citizens to grasp.
Your list of failed public companies just shows that the ‘Public’ (National and Local authorities) should not *run* these operations. License them off to a good fee is a better thing, then no one need to be nervous for which car the Management has. Politicians as business-people is the worse thing that can happen, as your list clearly shows. This is what feeds corruption on a large scale.
@elég:
There have been many interesting discussions here that were totally destroyed when one of those jobos came in and shouted:
It’s all the jews (or the leftliberals, the commies, the gays…) fault!
And the the next jobo comes in shouting: And they murdered Haider! or Americans never landed on the moon! or Jesus was not a jew! Obama is a commie!… and so on ad nauseam…
That is what makes discussions here very hard sometimes, because after a while (even if you try your best) it just gets on your nerves…
But you are absolutely correct:
Hungary has other more important problems than those people on the lunatic fringe…
What the new nazis, the zionazis do not understand is that Hungarians have a right to point out that Communists, mostly Jewish Communists are responsible for most of the suffering of Hungarians during the past 65 years. They have just as much right as Jews to talk incessantly, using their waste media resources, about their “holocaust”.
The same people who unjustly call Hungarian supporters of Jobbik of being Nazis and Arrowcross are offended when they are justly called Communists.
“People Who Live In Glass Houses Should Not Throw Stones”
“Hungarians have a right to point out that Communists, mostly Jewish Communists are responsible for most of the suffering of Hungarians during the past 65 years.” Maybe if Hungarians, hadn’t aligned themselves, even worked with, the Nazis, to attempt to bring out their extinction, Jews wouldn’t have joined Stalin’s power trip. Of course this requires you to think more than one step back which you have proved is not possible.
It all started with Béla Kohn and his gang of brutal Jewish murderers in 1919. What is so remarkable about Horthy is that in spite of Jewish Communist threat; he resisted Hitler’s demands to hand over the Jews.
Indeed, the survival of “Hungarian” Jews can be largely attributed to Horthy’s resistance to Nazi demands as well as the courage of numerous Hungarians ho hid Jews from Hitler’s boys. How did the “Hungarian” Jews thank the Hungarians for their help? They thanks the Hungarians with the worst Communist terror in Soviet occupied Europe, the Rakosi Jewish AVO, mass tortures and murders, deportations hundreds of thousands and several death camps.
There is no anti-Semitism in Hungary. What you see is a people getting to know its history long denied by Communist censors and saying no more.
Mark is at it again “It started with Bela…” Wasn’t there a world war before and other happenings in the Balkan and the KuK Regime ? – strange …
Like I wrote, for those jobos everything is the commie jews’ fault. Didn’t they also start worldwar 1 ? – o no, they were responsible for the bible, Jesus and everything – or not ?
It’s really very sad…
My only wish for the year 2010:
To never read a posting here by one of these loonie jobos …
Sorry to disappoint you wolfi, but as mark
highlighted as more Hungarians and other people are
getting to know history long denied by Communist
censors and saying no more.
So get ready for the avalanche to come.
It disgusts me that these people with their horrible history of torturing and murdering millions try to portray themselves as innocent victims. This big lie is like a house of cards, once it starts falling down, nothing they can do to stop it.
On the lighter side, why should anyone be bothered with what anyone says about Jews on this list? Is it not true that not one of the posters is Jewish? All we have here are Germans, Swedes and whatever but not a single Jew
They are pissing on each other’s legs and tell us that it is raining.
The scattered remnants of Hungary’s Past are fair pickings for predatory vultures:
The moving finger writes, and,
having writ moves on,
nor all thy piety nor wit
shall lure it back
to cancel half a line
nor all thy tears
wash out a word of it
(Omar Khayyam trans Fitzgerald).
Living in the Past with your head in the sand is the easy option.
Living is easy with eyes closed
Misunderstanding all you see…Lennon (John)
A little song to Mark and his other anti-Jewish friends from probably the greatest protest-singer coming out from the Soviet-union:
Vladimir Semyonovich Vysotsky
(25 January 1938 – 25 July 1980)
His song “Антисемит” – “An Antisemite’s song” is a fun description.
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The beginning of the song is:
Im tired of being a gangster and bandit,
Ill join anti-Semites – its cool, safe and splendid!
They have on their side no laws and no orders,
But peoples support of these folks has no borders.
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Press ‘More info’ on the right side and you will get the whole text.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlcFrIHe0yQ
The Return of the Body Snatchers
By Israel Shamir
http://www.israelshamir.net/English/Body_Snatchers.htm
Have you no shame?
Brilliant work Mark, the link is quite remarkable to what degree these inhuman people will resort too.
I went to a IV. Szent Korona konferencia december 27-től, fantastic amount of information on History of Hungary and Szent Korona.
Mark,
Are you supporting direct discussions with Hamas, as they are the elected representatives of the Gaza Strip?
I have not seen that the 3 Jobbik-MEP are demanding that, so why are you not?
“Do you want to know the crime my country hates so?
Just this:
One God, not three, have I worshipped!
No lightning, no cross, no sword of the Pope
Nor the face of death most visible,
No power whatever, can stay the progress of the Truth!”
Ference David
The jury took two hours to deliberate. He was found guilty and sentenced to life imprisonment. Placed in solitary confinement at the lonely castle of Deva, he wrote some lines of poetry in Latin on the walls of his cell before he died six months later, November 15th, 1579:
Law at December 27, 2009 11:05 PM, taking a quote from Ferenc Dávid (occasionally rendered as Francis David; c. 1510 – November 15, 1579) who was a Transylvanian Nontrinitarian and Unitarian preacher, the founder of the Unitarian Church of Transylvania
Dávid is best known among modern-day Unitarian Universalists for his often quoted statement:
“We need not think alike to love alike”
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Something that people like Law really do have a problem with.
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Dávid was appointed court preacher to John Sigismund, Prince of Transylvania.
Sigismund reigned as King of Hungary from 1540 to 1570, though for much of this time the country was governed by his mother, Isabella, with the support of Suleiman the Magnificent. John passed the Edict of Torda, first broad decree of religious freedom in the modern history of Europe (1568), and supported the establishment of the Unitarian Church in Transylvania. John encouraged respect for and open dialogue between all religious viewpoints;
Sigismund sponsored a public debate between Catholics, Lutherans, Calvinists, and Unitarians
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Sigismund’s will left the throne of Transylvania
to his treasurer, Gáspár Békés, but the nobles did not honour his wishes and elected Stephen Báthory as their voivode. This led to a brief civil war, which ended in Báthory’s victory and the policy shifted toward persecution of the new religious institutions
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Sense-moral:
Religious freedom under a King supported by the Turks, none of that when the Habsburg came in.
Viking you don’t even know the definition of love in reality. You’re a Demagogue! with false assumptions.
Ference David was a Christian with progressive teachings. A legend..
@Law
They make Mengele look like a choirboy. Murdering others to harvest their organs is beyond anything one could imagine from the worst racist, barbaric, evil society.
It is funny that a Swede published the most significant report in Sweden.
Israel wanted the publisher but the Swedish government refused. Now Israeli doctors admit a couple of months later, this horrid practice.
I ask again, have they no shame?
Have you no shame, mark? yer shoulda made cg put up the money and let dem kids have a nice christmas.
The strangest thing is that “Népszabadság” published the Israeli admission that they were stealing organs from Palestinians to use for Jews. I suspect they already fired someone over this. The article tries to make the detestable appear less detestable but it is still a big surprise that MSZP’s mouthpiece would publish anything on the repeatedly denied Israeli practice of harvesting organs from the Palestinians they murdered:
http://nol.hu/kulfold/izrael_elismerte_a_szervlopasokat
“Donald Boström svéd újságíró az Aftonbladet című napilap idei, augusztus 17.-i számában közölt egy cikket, amelyben azt írta, hogy értesülései szerint az izraeliek kilopták a palesztin halottakból az átültetésre még alkalmas szerveket. A cikkből hatalmas botrány keveredett, Izrael legfelső szinten követelte, hogy a svéd kormány ítélje el a valótlan állításokat tartalmazó cikket, és vonja felelősségre Boströmöt.
Mára kiderült, hogy Boströmnek bizonyos részben igaza volt:…”
mark,this article is about giving money for a cause. what’s all this about israel? you american bible beaters & zionist jews are always trying to raise money for israel. now,understand this,i’m not giving you a single quid for israel.
you asked all of us to give to nursing homes,kids homes,and animal shelters before christmas.i gave. why didnt you put up the 100 quid specially when you know those hungarian kids woulda got 10grand? good god man, you would have even got your money back.
you and your wombat mate are a right couple of hungarian light patriots, you are!
Mark,
To steal organs is not a ‘jewish story’, it is common practice in China to take the organs from executed prisoners without the consent of the families.
Given the state of the Chinese Justice System it is questionable how many of the executed were tried fairly and how many just were convicted to fulfil a quota of death convictions.
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I see you have not answer my question on how the EU can support the Palestinians, especially those on the Gaza Strip. Are you and Jobbik voicing support for the demands that the EU starts direct negotiations with the Hamas administration on the Gaza Strip, or not?
After the Israeli Government uproar over Boström’s article, the Israeli Government claimed that the Swedish EU-Presidency (Fall 2009) was preparing just this. I would assume that the Swedish Government tried to introduce the issue, but had to abandon it then the Isareli reaction made politically impossible at that time.
My question is still – Is Jobbik preparaed to do *anything* to help the Palestinians Jobbik like to speak so much about?
Or are you just making Political Profit on their suffering?
Which would make you?