Prime Minister Gordon Bajnai on Wednesday called for joining forces between Hungary’s left and right in the fight against the far right.
Bajnai told a conference focusing on the co-existence and cooperation of Jewish and non-Jewish Hungarians that every possible constitutional means must be used in order to prevent extremists from posing a threat. This is not only the responsibility of the government, but of each politician and citizen who believes in democratic values and the republic, Bajnai told religious leaders and politicians attending the conference in Parliament.
Bajnai said Hungary’s democrats made the biggest mistake when they allowed the issue of anti-fascism to become a new front for political hostility. It is a serious mistake in local power or in government to accept and even make use of support from the far right, he added.
“Time has come when we must ultimately make a distinction between democrats and the enemies of democrats. Actions are needed on both sides that clearly demonstrate which side somebody is on,” Bajnai said.
The rise of the far right is not only a threat anymore but a matter of fact and it is their trick that they use democracy to threaten freedom and attack others, he added.
Bajnai greeted honorary guest of the conference, Nobel laureate writer Elie Wiesel and expressed thanks for having the courage and strength to tell the lessons of the Holocaust.
Wiesel told the conference that those enticing hatred are equally the enemies of Jews and non-Jews in Hungary. Racists and hate-mongers bring shame to Hungary, he added.
Holocaust denial should be punished by law in Hungary and politicians must be encouraged to strongly and openly condemn anti-Semitism and racism, he said. Sixty-five years ago, hatred was only expressed in words at first and only later it turned into horrendous acts, he added.
“Bajnai urges cooperation between left and right to fight far right”
What? Like it’s not already happening? Has he been watching the media at all lately? Or has he just been too busy showing the Rabbis around parliament to notice anything?
Like it’s not already happening?
bobscountrybunker at December 11, 2009 11:29 AM
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May you share any examples with us?
Examples you say Viking? ALL of the mainstream Hungarian media. Enough for you?
I say again: what purpose is there in arguing with someone who starts by denying the evidence of their senses in order to justify their warped logic?
Which is why you are a source of either hilarity or more often indifference. You do everything from deny the continuational character of the rendszerváltás, to proclaim yourself an authority on matters Hungarian.
You will now continue demonstrating such idiocy, by claming that the entire sum total of the mainstream Hungarian media: does not constitute an example.
As usual Bob speak about forms and comes with broad statements that are built on conspiracy theories, like something would actually control “ALL of the mainstream Hungarian media”.
Totally useless to debate anything, just using twisting statistics (using stats for a 20.000 strong residential area, as it was the whole of Sweden) and make up his own evidence (the Jobbik UK collection to Magyar Garda).
And he claims to be a scholar at a University.
Can just pity those students.
Bobscountrybunker,
Bajnai is a criminal and he would be behind bars in any country not ruled by his Communist co-gangsters. The man has to be out of his mind to talk about “far right”. There is no far right in Hungary but there is a far left Communist dictatorship in its final days. Publications not under the control or ownership of Bajnai’s ilk are full of Communists being arrested for thievery. Bajnai’s time is coming…
I have no idea what Weasel wants. When Lendvai proposed a holocaust law, Fidesz said fine, let’s have a law banning denial of Communist and Nazi crimes. It did not go too well with Lendvai and the rest of MSZP/SZDSZ Communists because their people were responsible for the inhumanity and brutality of Communist crimes. They dropped it because they want a double standard and that is not the way.
Not one person had the backbone and courage to as Weasel about the human rights of Palestinians and the hate and violence of Israeli settlers. Are human rights for everyone or for just some people?
Mark,
You earlier claimed that you you did not care for Hitler, but how do you see the Arrow Cross Party and its members that were the foot-soldiers of the German occupiers, when several hundred thousand Hungarian Jews were killed?
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Did these Arrow Cross members their National Duty when they deported the family of Nobel laureate writer Elie Wiesel?
Viking you keep plucking figures out of your arse!
All a load of Crap! Rakocsi Gang Lies and you’re so
stupid to believe it, however if you choice to be so
ignorant it’s your free will! I guess
Viking you keep plucking figures out of your arse!
All a load of Crap!
Law at December 11, 2009 6:48 PM
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I could not describe the members of the Hungarian Arrow Cross better than you – “figures out of your arse!”.
You are too hilarious!
But now let Mark answer on his own, he think he is a big boy. He has a membership in the NRA to prove it.
@Law
Why waste time on a nothing? His ilk eats up insults he provokes out of you like candy. Why bother?
The point is, try and understand this Viking, that what should be of primary importance to Hungarians is not the fate of the Hungarian Jewish minority. But the fate of Europe’s Hungarian minority.
We constantly get the tragic outcome of the dead of the shoa rammed down our throats but who – WHO? – globally talks about Erdély or the Felvidék? Such people are, sorry to be callous, alive and suffering now.
It is the height of arrogant deception to pretend that what we have here is a case of nasty big Magyars threatening poor vulnerable Jewish Hungarian clocksmiths with chucking a brick through their window. Because when multi-billionaire bankers like Bajnai and Gyurcsány complain about anti-Semitism we know for a fact that they have proven themselves more than capable of looking after their own.
When is anybody going to say that looking after the Magyars is equally as important? No-one does. And while this continues Hungarian sentiment will remain negative. It is, as Dr Morvai has continued to say, the inescapable feeling that a double-standard is being applied when it comes to “your kind” which excuses (or more often than not remains silent about) any behaviour or criminality committed by anyone else, be they Roma, Slovak or Jew.
Where are the international sensationalist press pieces on the thievery of this group of Communists turned bankers/financiers who take great pains in telling us we must celebrate their, Jewish, traditions while ignoring our own?
(Scores of people may wear kippahs in the Hungarian parliament, hand out mezuzahs or say kadish. Fine. No problem. But wear a black waistcoat, or an Árpád shield or say “Szebb jövőt”, and you WILL be arrested.)
Or the global media exclusive on how Hungarian agriculture has been looted into poverty by the legal circumstances allowing gypsy crime?
Or the worldwide outrage at Slota, Fico, their decrees and language laws which are intended to carry out ethnic cleansing by cultural means? THEY ARE NOWHERE!! Not one international story or sensationalist journalistic piece.
But hardly a day passes without some international article on Jobbik and the MG, with terrifying pictures of waved Árpád stripes etc. etc. Which is as any of us know, is always pure bullshit from top to bottom.
As I said, the inescapable feeling that a double-standard applies. You cannot do this to a nation indefinitely. It is not exclusively the Hungarians’ fault that they behave how they are now doing, the international community bears a considerable portion of the blame. Not that they would ever admit it.
Respons to “Your Kind”:
The fundamental mistake you are making in your argument against speaking up against the anti-jewish anti-gypsy far-right, is that the “Magyars” living outside the borders of present day Hungary, are the same “Kind” as the Magyars your beloved Jobbik likes to march against. The Felvidek and Erdely’s Hungarians are no closer to Arpad and the proto-magyars ethnically or culturally than Dr. Morvai or Mr. Vona. Yet Jobbik sympathizers wish to monopolize the term “MAGYAR” infact denying Magyar people of Jewish and Gypsy origin the right to BELONG TO THE NATION. Seeing them as fundamentally different and therefor not “magyar” when their families have probably lived in Hungary long before yours were part of the numerous Slavic, German, Austrian, Turkish human migrations. Petofi and Kossuth were Hungarians and not because they could trace back their lineage to the Seven Tribes. For example I am Magyar, my Grandfather was a Hungarian Gypsy Musician, his wife a daughter of a Hungarian Jewish Lady and a Hungarian Gypsy Orchestra leader. They were all Magyars – just as all the people who immigrated to Hungary making the Magyar Culture one of the richest cultures in the World. There is no “Your Kind” only Our Kind, which you are also a part of. I wish You and your loved ones all the best!
@David Balazs Beleznay
I would love the word Magyar to be an inclusivist term rather than an exclusivist term. But if you are saying the fact that it is not is the fault of Jobbik, then you are foolish if you do not give events like this weeks’ in parliament their relevant portion of the blame also. As I said Communists turned Billionaires who celebrate and proclaim the symbols of their Jewish identity, in fact attempt to shame Hungary because of its past into paying “due homage”, while at the same time criminalizing symbols of Hungarian identiy.
Just saying that Jobbik supporters have nothing in common with the Magyars of the Felvidék and Erdély is an assertion not an argument. There is no point in arguing, because you have provided no criteria by which either party could be proved correct.
Nevertheless, your statements do not address the point I was stressing, which is that these issues, injustices against people I would call Magyars, are not reported. But that those of other Central European minorities are, and relentlessly.
Until this is addressed resentment, fear and suspicion will rule the day. Magyars will feel that they are governed by a double standard: and to my mind they will be right.
Nationalism develops from the idea that the
nation, in contrast to the nation-state, is formed
of the indigenous people to an area. It is the
longest-lasting and most sensible form of
government, for it groups together people who have
culture, heritage and language in common. The
modern nation-state imposes political boundaries
on an area, moves people into it, and declares it
a “nation,” but without this lack of inherent
consensus such states become marketplaces instead
of living cultural entities.
In a world where human thoughtlessness in the name
of enhancing personal wealth is ruining our
environment and turning our lives into passages
between grey concrete tunnels to fulfill
ultimately meaningless tasks, nationalism is a re-
assertion of the organic bond between individual
and society. By placing culture before commerce,
nationalism advocates a more meaningful daily
life. It ends the bad judgment and ugly cities
justified by someone somewhere being willing to
buy something, regardless of its eventual utility
or indirect, socialized costs. Nationalism makes
the state serve the people, where nation-state
systems make the people serve the state.
cont
In a world where human thoughtlessness in the name
of enhancing personal wealth is ruining our
environment and turning our lives into passages
between grey concrete tunnels to fulfil ultimately
meaningless tasks, nationalism is a re-assertion of
the organic bond between individual and society. By
placing culture before commerce, nationalism
advocates a more meaningful daily life. It ends the
bad judgment and ugly cities justified by someone
somewhere being willing to buy something, regardless
of its eventual utility or indirect, socialized
costs. Nationalism makes the state serve the people,
where nation-state systems make the people serve the
state.
We are told that we have economic freedom, social
freedom and options for living, but the small print
says this is only within the context of a market-
driven nation-state where the economy and what
people are willing to purchase with their votes
predominates over any lasting value. Thoughts of
“what is right” take a distant backseat to what is
popular, and what will be voted for by a crowd in
the mode of their lowest common denominator, as well
as what is profitable. What is profitable is often
destructive in the long term, as global climate
change and increasing dissatisfaction show us. We
need a new plan. Nationalism is that plan.
@Hun Pat:
From where did you copy this ?
A link would have been enough…
When each ethnic group has autonomy, culture is
preserved. If we merge cultures, we destroy them
and get mall-culture. Culture is the only force
which can oppose rampant capitalism, insane mass
religion (not all religion), and other forces that
occur when there is no cultural consensus. In my
view, most people do not want to hurt other
races,but they also want to have a culture of
their own. For this reason, we pick a system where
we each get cultural autonomy and fend off
sickening cultureless globalism and that system
is pan-Nationalism.In modern systems, culture is
presumed to be a personal choice, which means that
it cannot be shared and so dies. In its place we
are given a Big Brother/Big Mother government that
presumes to know a single rule that is best for
all peoples, and imposes it upon them by force,
reducing all culture to a lowest common enominator
through a process of averaging. This is typical
for systems where politics is not united with a
philosophy of the civilization that is integral to
its culture.
Pan-Nationalism allows each autonomous ethnic
group to maintain and develop its own formula for
civilization.
Mind your own business Wolfi or i’ll bring out a
silver bullet!
Hunpat you said, among some very interesting and note worthy things, that “If we merge cultures, we destroy them”. This statement supposes that Culture as an entity is “pure” only if unchanged, in other words – preserved in its original form. This would mean that Culture at some point was “ready made”. If you believe that the previous statement is false and Culture was developed by people – it is safe to say that this development includes interactions and mixing with other cultures. To preserve Culture as you say, separate from the influence of other cultures, would mean to affectively stop it from developing as a living entity. The Culture of every Nation is in a constant state of change. I agree with you that modern culture is in many aspects manufactured, and that industrialized societies are loosing much of their Father’s and Mother’s Culture. But this is because people have largly become consumers of culture rather than the creators of it.
Nationalism, as you understand is nothing but Tribalism in the extreme form.
To those who continually refer to Hungarians as non-jewish or non-gypsy persons, I say that you are wrong and have absolutely no right to exclude these people from the body of the Nation. It is Wrong to use the term “magyar” and the Hungarian historical symbols to mark yourselves as “Authentic Magyars” as opposed to jewish, gypsy left leaning or gay Hungarians. A Nation which embraces such ideology commits National Suicide.
@ David Balazs Beleznay
Much of what you say is true but you miss the point entirely. You probably heard the saying that “Pretty Is as Pretty Does”. I do not believe that Jobbik or Magyar Garda exclude anyone who wants to be Hungarian and share their goals for a better Hungary. The only restriction Jobbik has is that they will not accept former MSZMP and MSZP functionaries and that is a good thing because Communist murderers have no place in a real Hungarian party. I do not believe that you’re Gypsy/Jewish ethnicity alone would bar you from Jobbik or Magyar Garda. If you want to look for racists who exclude others and even murder others based on ethnicity, I suggest that you look at Israeli Jewish settlers. They are the closest things to the Nazis, not Jobbik and not Magyar Garda.
What you say about Hungary’s ethnic mix is true but you fail to add that those of many ethnic background call themselves Hungarians, believe themselves to be Hungarians and their loyalty is for Hungary. Hungarian history is the history of those Hungarians who were Hungarians such as the Aradi vértanúk with their five (5) Hungarian, three (3) German, two (2) Armenian, one (1) Austrian, Croatian and Serb martyrs who gave their lives for Hungary. Not one of them a Jew or Gypsy but the person most responsible for the cruelty and mass murder of Hungarian patriots was Haynau, the bastard son of Jewish Rebecca Richter. Speaking of Hungary’s greatest and most admired poet and freedom fighters, we should not omit Sándor Petõfi of Serb/Slovak roots or Gergely Pongrácz, the part Armenian hero of Corvin Köz. These were all Hungarians, the best Hungarians because they lived and died for Hungary.
Having finally met an honest person on this list who admits his Gypsy/Jew heritage, I ask you what it is in your Gypsy and Jewish people that make you feed off the host country and betray the people that took you in time and time again?
Starting with the Gypsies, why are there so many Gypsy criminals? Why do Gypsies steal instead of grow their own food as their Hungarian neighbors do? Why are Gypsies so brutal that they murder so often and why do they feel entitled to steal from Hungarians and why do hate Hungarians so much that they have to murder so often?
Why could not the Jews blend into Hungarian society after living with Hungarians for hundreds of years? Why is it that every time there is an opportunity, Jews betray Hungarians and become crazed, sadistic murderers as Kun, Rakosi, Apro, Bauer and the rest did? Why do Jews lie and pretend to be the victims when they are killing our people with their thievery and destruction of Hungary? Why do they hate Hungarians and if they hate Hungarians as much as they do, why don’t they leave?
I thank you in advance for honest answers.
Some of Jewish and Gypsies are eroding the nation
and creating the current mess we are in. Having
ancient symbols are all part of Hungarian history
and our ancestory so why not be proud of our
forefathers and culture instead of being labeled
as Fascists etc.
Pan-Nationalism would grant each ethnic-cultural
group its own autonomy, reducing the number of
wars fought within countries as well as the ethnic
strife that currently grips most industrialized
nations.There would be less of a need for powerful
government, for the fighting of wars against
“terrorism,” for a public morality that chains all
people to a lowest common denominator that serves
no one but oligarchs. Cultural values would
replace public morality, and the
moral capacity of individuals would become more
important.
Nationalists like to use this summary: Nationalism
is conserving your people, racism is comparing
them against others. What we consider
“racism” is a vestige of multicultural systems
where different cultures are in competition for
not only wealth, but cultural values
standards. This conflict cannot be publically
recognized so long as multiculturalism is
considered “good,” so it is driven underground in
the form of enduring ethnic tension. Nationalism
ends this in a nation. Pan-Nationalism ends it in
all nations by giving each group autonomy and the
freedom to live according to its standards.
Nationalism did not cause the Cold War; fear of
Nationalism did.
Nationalism did not cause the Viet Nam war; fear
of Vietnamese nationalism did. Nationalism did not
cause the Iraq war; inability for
Iraq to divide into three nations (Kurds, Shiites,
Sunnis) did. In Yugoslavia, failure to recognize
the autonomy of two national groups caused
conflict. Nationalism ends wars by protecting the
people of nations from insane outside alliances
like world Communism, NATO, the Austrio-Hungarian
alliance and now the United Nations.
Amusingly, the United States is the world’s
foremost champion of multiculturalism and the
state that has had the greatest number of problems
with race riots, inequity, racial hatred and high
rates of crime. Currently, it leads industrialized
nations in the number of people in prison as well
as the number of foreign political wars started
and lost. Nationalism would cure this if people
would accept it.
It would strengthen our economy by streamlining it
toward the production of tangible things that make
life better for the citizens of each nation. Nation-
state economies are reckless, since they are driven
by the popularity (and consequent scarcity) of any
good or service at any given time. A nationalist
economy puts cultural values first, and reduces
speculation in favor of a good solid living for all
based on the amount of wealth generated by the
nation’s workers.
Further, nationalist economies protect the workers
from the random trends brought on by speculative
capital that result in inconsistent employment.
People can be motivated by more than the selfish
accumulation of wealth. When you think of the better
people you know, you will see that while they like
to earn good money, they make the bigger decisions
on their life based on more values than simply
earning money. A Nationalist system would motivate
people toward these values, replacing pure profit
motivation with participation in actual living
community.
HunPat: Another loonie copies his jobo trash onto this sit. Here an excerpt:
“…insane outside alliances like world Communism, NATO, the Austrio-Hungarian alliance and now the United Nations.”
What craziness lurks here…
@Hun Pat – glad to see you’re against consumerism!
What car do you drive?
@HunPat:
Another question: Where do you live – in Panama ?
@ Bob
I read Beleznay Balazs David’s fascinating background. Does he qualify as a “Magyar” in your books?
Yes or No would suffice.
For those who are interested, I thought I would post a quick breakdown of a few of the common and relatively more important grammatical issues I see here. Please don’t read this as condescending, I make as many typos as anyone. It just occurs to me that perhaps some aren’t sure and might like to know what is correct. If you don’t care, then please ignore this post.
“Your”: possessive of “you”. “Your car” etc.
“You’re”: contraction of “You are”. “You’re going to get us all killed you idiot!”
apostrophe use:
singular possessive, use apostrophe before the ‘s’:
“The boy’s bike”: where there is one boy who owns the bike.
plural possessive, use apostrophe after the ‘s’:
“The boys’ bike”: where there are a group of boys who own a single bike.
The exception to the apostrophe rule are the words “its” and “it’s”.
In this case, “its” is possessive, while “it’s” is the contraction of “it is”.
…hope this is helpful.
@Cináed
Thanks for the suggestions but they may not work for me. I have a spell and grammar checker and rely on it for general correspondence. If I were writing an article for publication, this would be just the first of many drafts and would have some of my friends review and comment on them before the “final” version. I have done my share of programming (to assist my technical work) and used the same approach to the frustration of other, better-organized programmers. They could not understand how I could just start writing code without developing diagrams and charts to define the final product. I would get a program running and ask my co-workers to use it. They would come back with their complaints and I would make some changes. It worked for me but it may not work for others. I would appreciate you pointing out my blunders in this short letter, just for the fun and maybe some enlightenment.
@ Cinead
I am sure I make lots of grammatical and spelling mistakes on this website because I don’t re-read or edit my own postings and I haven’t figured out how spell checker can be used on this site.
I have to do that with my business correspondence and I find lots of grammatical mistakes in the draft. Spell checkers at least prevent spelling mistakes.
I hope I never make the one mistake – confuse “its and it’s” because I was taught a really easy way to be remember the difference. It’s = “It is” . Pretend the apostrophe represents the “i” in “is.” If I don’t want to write “It is” then use “its”
what should be of primary importance to Hungarians is not the fate of the Hungarian Jewish minority.
But the fate of Europe’s Hungarian minority
bobscountrybunker at December 11, 2009 7:22 PM
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A perfect slogan when wanting to empathize that the expression “Hungarians” does not include the minorities living here for centuries
Given the fact that much of Nationalist’s rhetoric is based on perceived injustices, it is a bit strange not to take responsibilities for past problems.
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Following up with the sentence “who globally talks about Erdély or the Felvidék?” when complaining that Nobel laureate writer Elie Wiesel get some attention by the Hungarian Government.
The same Wiesel who was born on September 30, 1928 in Sighet, a little town in Erdély/Transylvania, (now Sighetu Marmaţiei), Maramureş, Kingdom of Romania, in the Carpathian Mountains
In 1940 Romania lost the town of Sighet following the Second Vienna Award and it came back under Hungarian control.
In 1944 Elie, his family and the rest of the town were placed in one of the two ghettos in Sighet
On May 16, 1944, the Hungarian authorities allowed the German army to deport the Jewish community in Sighet to Auschwitz Birkenau
Wiesel was according to all definitions Hungarian and should therefore had been protected by the Hungarian State
Horthy was still the Hungarian leader for 5 months more
If “Hungarians” or who-ever were rounded up in getthos in today’s Erdély or the Felvidék, this *would* be news world-wide.
wear a black waistcoat, or an Árpád shield or say “Szebb jövőt”, and you WILL be arrested
bobscountrybunker at December 11, 2009 7:23 PM
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You know this is wrong.
It is actually embarrassing low quality of an argument.
Magyar Garda is an illegal organization due to its racist and intimidating character.
MG represent the idea of building up a ‘Uniformed Wing’ of a political party.
Please mention those countries where this is allowed where this ‘Uniformed Wing’ is not part of the ruling party?
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For the rest of your complaints on the Press, one could get the feeling that you subscribe to the theory of all media being controlled so it could be told what to write about.
It is not.
The main question here is why should international press write about Hungary at all?
I seldom see any stories on Hungary in International Press (Maybe we do not read the same papers?)
On the other hand, much of Nationalist’s rhetoric is common, please check out this illustrious video from one of your partners in ‘war’:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUhtrz9UtNQ
@Olga
I might be mistaken but I believe “Its” is a possessive pronoun meaning, more or less, of it or belonging to it.
“It’s” is a contraction for “It is” is or it has.
To your querry about being able to define me as “Magyar” or not, let me help with your confusion.
“Magyar vagyok, Magyarnak szulettem, Magyar notat dudolt a Dajka felettem.”
@Mark
If we are talking about the 1849 Martyrs, and the Hungarian Generals and Soldiers from different ethnic backgrounds Vs. Jews, I think it is very important to mention the First Jewish Honveds, set up voluntarily in the first days of the Revolution in Pest and Buda. The countless jewish and gypsy Hungarian Pesti boys who fought in 56 more bravely than the adults around them.
You ask why “the gypsies are so murderous” ? No person from my mother’s extended family has ever committed a crime, and why do you think? Because poverty borns crime. Opportunity and a sense of belonging borns social harmony.
I think Viking is absolutely right in his statements about jewish Hungarians of Transylvania and how their sense of belonging, as well as their dignity was destroyed by people who thought of themselves as “real Magyars” as opposed to the Magyars they were sending to concentration camps. “Magyar” as an ethnic definition only makes sense if you do not exclude the people who are part of the Nation. Szalasi or Horthy was no closer ethnicly or culturaly to Arpad and the Seven Tribes of the 8th Century than the jewish or gypsy Hungarians who were and are labeled even today by some, as non-magyars.
If the beautiful Red and White Stripes of the Arpad shield are part of Magyar Heritage, then it is ALL OF OUR HERITAGE, IT BELONGS TO THE NATION AS A WHOLE and can not therefore be rightly used to differentiate Magyars of different ethnic backgrounds.
Kisztihant!
Age-old question “Which came first, the chicken or the egg?” Did Hungarians and others start disliking Jews and Gypsies for no reason at all or did the Jews and Gypsies disreputable conduct made them objects of scorn.
It would be far too complex to go into the conflict between Jewish Communists and Jewish predatory bankers and the Germans who put Hitler and his Nazis into power and who is to blame more for the hundreds of millions of innocent lives lost between 1917 to date. I will only deal with why Hungarians distrust and fear Jews and Gypsies.
David tries to excuse Gypsy criminals with “poverty borns crime”. Most people have known poverty, horrible poverty without resorting to crime and violence. In Hungary and elsewhere in Europe, only Gypsies make stealing and murdering a way of life and except the rest of us to accept it as “megélhetési bűnözés”, what most people know as “cigánybűnözés”.
I have never heard of Magyar Garda demonstrating in any community unless the Gypsies of that community lynched a teacher in front his children or robbed and slashed the throat of an elderly Hungarian or raped a murdered a very young Hungarian girl. Never has the Magyar Garda provoked a confrontation with anyone but stood by the victims of these brutal Gypsy criminals. Stabbing Cozma in the heart was not the action of one Gypsy criminal but an organized criminal Gypsy gang operating freely, terrorizing, and shaking down businesses around Balaton. Please do not give me that “poverty borns crime” hogwash. Stop stealing, stop murdering and Hungarians will accept you but not until.
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There were no Arrowcross before Béla Kun, born Béla Kohn and his rain of terror. Following the Jewish Bolshevik revolution of 1917, Kun and his Jewish gang took over Hungary and murdered thousands of ordinary Hungarians. It is to the credit of Hungarians humanity that in spite of these horrible Jewish/Communists, Hungarians and the Hungarian government resisted Hitler’s demands to hand over the Jews almost to the end. Pál Teleki, Hungary’s Prime Minister ended his own life on April 3, 1941 when his efforts failed, due to British duplicity, to maintain Hungary’s neutrality.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%A1l_Teleki
A few months of Arrowcross excesses was followed by Rakosi Jewish Communist rule and Rakosi Jewish AVO tortures, executions, mass murders, death camps and forced labor camps designed to work people until they dead. Conservative estimates place at 300,000 thousand the Hungarian victims of Rakosi regime but I believe it is many times over.
Some of you may not realize that while most all of those responsible for Arrowcross crimes were executed not one f the Communist murderers, mostly Jewish Communist murderers were held to account for their crimes. Miklós Bauer, “körmös Bauer” was just one of these sadistic, brutal Jewish murderers who did not have to answer for his horrible crimes against Hungarians and humanity:
http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bauer_Mikl%C3%B3s
These are the people, their children and their grandchildren who still rule Hungary and still torture the Hungarian people. Imagine the revulsion many Hungarians must feel when Tamás Bauer, the son of this monster lectures Hungarians about Democracy on ATV.
It is way past time to end Jewish/Communist rule in Hungary and have real police to serve and protect the law abiding people, not the criminals.
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The Communist lowlife on this list misses no opportunity to smear Jobbik and Magyar Garda as Nazis. They could not be ore wrong. One does not have to be a Nazi to resent the ongoing 65-year Jewish/Communist rule in Hungary. The Germans were Nazis and Hitler was very popular in Germany because he told them that they were a “Super Race”. Strangely, that is what some Jewish leaders, such as Begin claimed for Jews. They deserved each other.
Indeed, most Hungarian leaders despised Hitler, and if they could, they would have stayed as far away from Hitler and his storm troopers as they could. That was not the card Hungary was handed by the Allied powers. I have referenced in another post that Pál Teleki; Hungary’s Prime Minister ended his own life on April 3, 1941 when his efforts failed, due to British duplicity, to maintain Hungary’s neutrality.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%A1l_Teleki
You have no idea how upsetting it is to read a German or Swede badmouth decent and patriotic Hungarian organizations. This is especially hard to take when Sweden was one of Nazi Germany’s best arms suppliers. They were Nazi collaborators for sure. Their industry made huge profits producing arms for Hitler and they gave Hitler’s army free passage across Sweden to crush the Norwegian resistance. Clever people, these Swedish Nazi collaborators, seeing how the wars was going they sent some guy to Hungary to “save Jews” as if that would make their collaboration with Hitler just fine. As it turned out, it worked for those clever Swedes to the point of some of them having the audacity to lecture Hungarians about Nazis. One lone Swedish diplomat could do swat if he did not have the cooperation of Hungarian authorities who objected to Hitler’s plan for Jews, whatever that was. We need a real German to tell us ignorant Hungarians about Hitler’s plans…
@mark:
As one of “The Communist lowlife on this list” I’d really like to know what substance you are abusing right now – it seems to give a wonderful high to you…
Dear Mark
What you say is hand on heart factual about the Jewish and Gypsies here in Hungary.
I would like to share my personal experience to why my views changed by living in Hungary.
When I arrived I was amazed at how Hungarians discriminated against the Jews and Gypsies during conversations amongst friends and family and because of my conditioning by education and exposure to a barrage of western media all through my life it really shook me emotionally when exposed to this talk. I debated with people that this can’t be so you are so backwards in your interpretation of the truth about these people.
My interest in history and Hungary made me investigate some of the claims made by the new perception of viewing this part of History and eventually I saw the alternative side of what really happened and started to see the hypocrisy and lies written about the Hungarians. The more I focused on the new information the more the puzzle was exposed.
Some of the people that also added to the new information were actually Jewish and had reiterated that history written about Hungarians are lies, many lies!
So this was obviously a shock but such an awakening that made me change my path.
The establishment is a force that goes deeper then manipulating just our History and once exposed one can see how this force has worked in many western countries to manipulate people’s minds.
cont
I couldn’t be more grateful to have had my Hungarian experience even if it was stepping backwards financially the awakening that I received was more rewarding then any amount of material wealth, it was a spiritual awakening something my inner voice of intuition had been yearning.
I thank people like your kind self who are necessary to be there for the awakening process.
Interestingly the Hungarians that helped me were e very patient and showed a lot of understanding towards the lack of knowledge and I am grateful for their wisdom, and at no time was I shunned even if my views where not in line with them.
This awakening and Hungarian experience has been magical. The Carpathian basin of my ancestry is rich in culture and love that the force to this day hasn’t been able to destroy, this is where the cradle of truth and energy still remains in keeping the flame of hope in all Hungarians hearts.
Dear Law,
You have no idea how much I appreciate having Hungarians such as you. Unfortunately, many children of Hungarian refugees lose their Hungarian identity and it is always such a pleasure to come across Hungarians such as you who found their way home. Do not ever let anyone make you feel less Hungarian because of your background because it is Hungarians such as you that Hungary needs most. You can represent us to the world and you can tell the truth about us to balance the lies that Hungarian haters spew out nonstop.
Thanks you your efforts my friend.
raped a murdered a very young Hungarian girl
Mark at December 13, 2009 9:32 AM
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Is this not the fourteen-year-old girl in Kiskunlacháza?
Some months the alleged killer József P not only confessed but the Police found the missing belongings of the murdered girl in his house:
- an ID,
- her cell phone,
- a necklace, and
- a purse
All hidden inside a vacuum cleaner
Also the DNA sample found in the semen matched
József’s pubic hair is reddish.
The experts knew hat the perpetrator was most likely not a dark-skinned, brown-haired Roma but someone who is blue-eyed with reddish-blond hair
The so-called “independent” mayor of Kiskunlacháza, József Répás, has made political hay out of his repeated accusations that the murderers (plural) were Gypsies. A whole gang of them. In fact, ever since last November 2008 when the murder took place, he has been doing nothing else but inciting the inhabitants of this town of 9,000 against the local Gypsies in particular and against Gypsies in general.
And he is still doing it, now and then he comes on EchoTV to repeat his accusations, reality has nothing to do with this Jobbik-favorite.
Welcome to Jobbik-land…
There were no Arrowcross before Béla Kun
Mark at December 13, 2009 9:33 AM
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It is interesting what parts Mark leave out.
Included is the 4 months of ‘Red Terror’, but not the following 2 years of ‘White Terror’.
The Hungarian White Terror, carried out by irregular and semi-regular detachments (most of them formally belonged to Miklós Horthy’s “National Army”) in Hungary in 1919-1920, after the fall of the Hungarian Soviet Republic. Horthy’s militias massacred some 6000 people, including progressives, Jews, and alleged “traitors”. Another 70,000 people were sent to concentration camps
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Included is ‘A few months of Arrowcross excesses’ which of course is an attempt to forget all the anti-Jewish laws, including:
- In 1920, Horthy’s government passed a “Numerus Clausus,” restricting the Jewish enrollment at universities to five percent or less,
- Starting in 1938, Hungary under Horthy passed a series of anti-Jewish measures in emulation of Germany’s Nürnberg Laws. The first, promulgated on May 29, 1938, restricted the number of Jews in each commercial enterprise, in the press, among physicians, engineers and lawyers to twenty percent.
- The second anti-Jewish law (May 5, 1939), for the first time, defined Jews racially: people with 2, 3 or 4 Jewish-born grandparents were declared Jewish
TBC
- Their employment in government at any level was forbidden, they could not be editors at newspapers, their numbers were restricted to six per cent among theater and movie actors, physicians, lawyers and engineers
- Private companies were forbidden to employ more than 12% Jews. 250,000 Hungarian Jews lost their income
- The “Third Jewish Law” (August 8, 1941) prohibited intermarriage and penalized sexual intercourse between Jews and non-Jews.
- During the war (from June 26, 1941), Jews were called to serve in “labour service” (munkaszolgálatos) units which were brought to the front to clean up minefields and other auxiliary work without defence, equipment. In the camp of Kőszeg, even before going to the front, the order was that no one should survive
- About 20,000 people, were handed over to the Germans in July 1941, and were massacred in Kameniec-Podolsk (Kamianets-Podilskyi) at the end of August 1941
- approximately 42,000 Jewish forced laborers were killed at the Soviet front in 1942-43
@Viking:
Still trying to get some sense into those narrow minded (at best), psychotic (at worst) low-life mark, bob and law ?
It is no use – these are the typical people who would be concentration camp guards in any extremist state – whether it’s fascist or communist or whatever. They listen only to loonies like the Kopp Verlag and go “jesus was no jew” – “all gypsies are murderers” – “all liberals are haters of Hungarian patriots” – “all foreigners are jewish commies” – and so on…
I’ve looked again at jobbik.com and hungrianambience.com – it is all the same…
Like I said befor, a psychologist has material enough for a doctorial thesis…
It is way past time to end Jewish/Communist rule in Hungary and have real police to serve and protect the law abiding people, not the criminals.
Mark at December 13, 2009 9:33 AM
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Reading statements like this gives the impression that you do not respect the intelligence of the Hungarian voters to be able to elect their political leaders.
In 1994, 2002 and 2006 the Hungarian electorate chose to elect a Parliament that could elect a Government that I think fits in to your description above.
All these elections have been deemed fair by relevant international organizations and all parties in the respective Parliaments.
This gives 2 things:
a) As a result of the elections in 1990 and 1998 the type of Government, that would not fit in on your description above, did not agree with your opinion.
b) Your demand to punish the guilty has not collected enough moment to make people vote on parties that would support that. It will probably not be easier after 20 years (many have died actually) and its is harder to prove anything (if there is suppose to be any legal trial).
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Just another question, you keep on mention the children of these people, but why should the children be automatically be punished, if they did not do anything?
The establishment is a force that goes deeper then manipulating just our History and once exposed one can see how this force has worked in many western countries to manipulate people’s minds
Law at December 13, 2009 11:26 AM
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Then our Planet still has a future then, given that the majority of all people does not live in “western countries”.
Go China, Go!
The real Hungarian perspective:
Kórházak bezárása, táppénz felére vitele. További szocionista vivmány. Egyedül shylock dörzsöli a markát, többet vihet haza. Pumpálhatnak innen, valahova egészen máshova…Bősz gordon erre tett fogadalmat szemét shylock alsógatyájára vetve.
There is a reason why I post Hungarian texts from time to time. The primary reason is to give a taste of how real Hungarians see what is happening in Hungary and also to wake up some of the arrogant foreigners who think they have a right to tell Hungarians how they should run their country.
The long national nightmare of 65 years of Jewish/Communist totalitarian rule is finally ending. Not even the Communist MSZP/SZDSZ mafia is crazy enough to think that they will ever get a chance to rule Hungary again. The Communist murderers and thieves lost all credibility and sense of reality. Their hate campaign is promised to be the dirtiest campaign in post “gengszterváltás” history will not work. The best that is worst they can hope is to smear their opponents but Fidesz will still win by a huge margin and Jobbik will probably have the second or third largest representation in Parliament. If Jobbik gets more votes than MSZP, that will be the end of Communists in Hungary forever.
Magyarország a magyaroké!
@ Mark;
God, I hope your right.
Who gave István Dobó and his defenders of Eger a chance against the mighty Ottoman onslaught? They beat the Turks against overwhelming odds. Are we not Dobó’s people?
“The Ottoman army which arrived at Eger consisted of approximately 150,000 persons, some 80,000 of whom were trained soldiers of various arms and combat value. The rest included logistics personnel, craftsmen, merchants and gypsy caravans who provided repair services and popular entertainment, such as fortune-telling, to the Ottoman troops. Thus, the defenders of Eger were outnumbered about 1 to 50 in hand-to-hand combat.”
“There is a reason why I post Hungarian texts from time to time. The primary reason is to give a taste of how real Hungarians see what is happening in Hungary and also to wake up some of the arrogant foreigners who think they have a right to tell Hungarians how they should run their country.” You are not even a real Hungarian with your US passport, you are a cultural tourist who’s only claim to Hungary is your parents teaching you the language. Real Hungarians will always see you as an outsider. Additionally foreigners have been telling Hungary how to run the place for the past 500 years, it’s only the past 20 that its changed…hows that working out for you.
Are we not Dobó’s people?
Mark at December 13, 2009 5:15 PM
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Given the fact that in the dynastic succession struggles after the Battle of Mohács in 1526, Dobó was consistently on the side of the Habsburg King Ferdinand I rather than that of John Zápolya.
The majority of Hungary’s ruling elite backed Szapolyai, who for fifteen years had been playing a leading role in Hungarian political life. Part of the aristocracy acknowledged his leadership, and he enjoyed the enthusiastic support of the lesser nobility.
Accused of treason against the King, Dobó spent several years imprisoned in the castle of Pozsony (now Bratislava, Slovakia). His health was seriously impaired by his imprisonment, and he died in his home soon after his release from captivity.
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So Dobó’s, born in today’s Ukraine felt more closeness with the Western Habsburgers, than with fellow Hungarians.
So maybe you are Dobó’s people.
Idegen pofátlan betolakodók böffögik hogy ki magyar és ki nem
VÁLASZ A FASIZMUS VÁDJÁRA
Nyilatkozat
„Apám magyar, anyám magyar Gebedjen meg, akit zavar.” (Ismerős Arcok Zenekar)
„Fehér vagyok, keresztény, európai és magyar. Magyarország a magyarok hazája. Akinek ez nem tetszik, az keressen magának új hazát. A muzulmánok mehetnek az iszlám országokba, a cionista zsidók Izraelbe, a mormonok Amerikába. Nem kötelező itt élni. Magyarországon 9 millió többségi magyar mellett kb. 1 millió kisebbségi él. Közös érdekünk, hogy az etnikai és vallási kisebbségek vezetői – ide értve értelmiségi holdudvarukat is – fejezzék be a többségi társadalom állandó provokálását, vessenek véget a nemzeti szimbólumok és a keresztény jelképek elleni lejárató kampányoknak. Gondolkozzanak el azon, hogy Dániában törvény kötelezi a – nyilvánvalóan kisebbségi – bevándorlókat a többségi társadalom normáinak és szokásainak elfogadására. Aki ezt nem vállalja, azt kitoloncolják. Remélem, mindannyian a békés egymás mellett élés elszánt hívei vagyunk.
Budapest, 2009. december 13.
Tóth Gy. László politológus, műsorvezető
@Mark: For future ref ‘böffögik’ is spelt with one ‘f’: böfögik.
@Mark: Do you honestly think anyone in their right mind would listen to the likes of Tóth Gy. László and then support pre-Trianon borders, where the like of him in a Fidesz-Jobbik coalition would rule over even more minorities than those they already despise? Do you people ever think anything through?
p.s. Wasn’t he once principal adviser to Orbán Viktor before taking up his place on Barikád.hu?
This is also very good:
döbbenet: ezek a magyar gyalázók, magyar gyűlölők 6 évtizede ígérgetnek, hazudoznak, ők ez alatt milliárdosok lettek!!
… de a 6 évtized alatt sem tanultak meg gazdálkodni, országot, várost, gyárat vezetni, kormányozni?!?!
… Csak hazudni, hazudni, hazudni, reggel, délben ,este mindenhol, mindenkor, minden hullámhosszon
… gyurcsányi meg egy magyargyűlölő, tolvajláson, hamisításon, kívül semmihez sem értő közönséges bűnöző!!
MSZmP? Magyargyalózók Magyargyűlölők Szarháziak Pártja!!
Funny how it gets thrown back and forth on who’s a “real Hungarian” and who’s not. What exactly is a “real Hungarian”? A person who lives there, pays the taxes and speaks the language? OR.. A person who has Hungarian “bloodlines”, speaks the language, understands the culture and defends the countries integrity? Just a side note, to me, Hungarian bloodlines include anybody born on it’s territory (past and present) regardless of religious and ethnic background.
Hi Justasking
People as your kind self are genuine about your culture and homeland which is quickly recognized by Hungarian patriots and unfortunately the traitors are out to sabotage the likes of honest people who have a pure heart and are proud of there country of ancestry. So God bless you, no one can take this away from you because your heart is in the right place. Adjon az Isten !
@justasking
It is a lot less important who is a “real Hungarian” than who is for what Hungarian is best for Hungary and Hungarians. In my earlier post in this thread, I listed some of Hungary’s greatest heroes and martyrs, I listed their different ethnic backgrounds and I am sure that not all of them could speak, read and write Hungarian but they all died for Hungary. American laws also recognize service to the country. Those who served can apply for citizenship after three years as opposed to the standard five years. How one serves, is a time-honored way of determining where one belongs.
Our neighbors also claim some of our historic national heroes, such as Hunyadi but he is only one of many thousands that we proudly call our own while others do also claim them. I do not recall a single incident of Hungarians getting into a discussion about “real Hungarians”. It just goes without saying that if you believe yourself to be Hungarian, feel Hungarian and your actions reflect your Hungarian heart than you are a Hungarian. Did you notice that I did not mention language, place of birth or ethnicity? Jews and Gypsies can also be Hungarians if they feel that they are and behave such.
It is a lot easier to define who is not than who is a Hungarian. Those screaming “megölünk minden magyart”, lynching a Hungarian teacher before his children, screaming on the radio to murder all Christians, or calling Hungarians Nazis because they do not want Hungary to become Israel’s colony are definitely not Hungarians. Those who hate Hungarians hate Hungary’s national symbols, hate organizations that foster Hungarian patriotic sentiments are not Hungarians.
@Mark: “…I do not recall a single incident of Hungarians getting into a discussion about “real Hungarians” That pretty much proves you are not Hungarian, then. Barikád.hu, Jobbik websites and the rest of them are obsessed with the topic – most written in appalling Hungarian. Pathetic.
If you are right then Law is, by your definition, not Hungarian: http://www.politics.hu/20091028/socialists-say-they-back-dual-citizenship-for-ethnic-hungarians-abroad
My comment at October 31, 2009 10:21 PM is when I have to define for him in Hungarian what a Hungarian is, because he can’t speak the language.
Cretins the lot of you.
The traditions, culture, and mindset, of real Hungarians are…just what, exactly, Vándorló?
Many so-called real Hungarians who had a command of the tongue/nyelv have stuck the knife deep into the back of this nation.
The AVH and its members? Rakosi and his supporters?
The Trianon Treaty should never have been signed.
Despicable and traitorous leaders, once again.
Who cares about Jobbik and Gabor? Lightweight and misguided. They do not represent Hungary and its best interests although they aspire to that end with cheap rhetoric and few original ideas.
Vándorló has supported George Soros in the past – a known and convicted villain. Soros up to his old tricks once again in Hungary:
“Soros Fund loses appeal over fine for market manipulation in Hungary
By MTI-ECONEWS
The Municipal Court of Budapest on Friday rejected an appeal by Soros Fund Management against a decision by financial market regulator PSZAF fining it HUF 489m (EUR 1.8m) for exercising unfair market influence.
Soros Fund Management borrowed hundreds of thousands OTP Bank shares and sold them in the last minutes of trade on the Budapest Stock Exchange on October 9, 2008, causing the price to fall more than 9pc. PSZAF estimated the fund profited USD 675,000 from the transaction, and it set the fine at four times that amount.
George Soros, the Hungarian-born American investor who owns the fund..”
The Communist trash is realizing that their rule of terror over Hungarians is ending. This is the reason why they are so desperate and why their posts are filled with rage and hate.
Looking at the history of dual citizenship for Hungarians of lost regions, the Communist MSZP and SZDSZ was actively campaigning against it in 2004. Trying to look less anti-Hungarian, they recently started talking about dual citizenship but rejected the Fidesz proposal. The Fidesz proposal is not bad but the Jobbik proposal is much better.
Fidesz:
Under the proposed amendment to legislation, signed by two Christian Democrat and one Fidesz MP, applicants by Hungarian minorities for citizenship would not be required to live permanently in Hungary. The applicant would still be required to have at least one ancestor who was a Hungarian citizen and to prove their knowledge of the Hungarian language.
Jobbik:
9. Milyen megoldási javaslatai vannak a Jobbiknak a határon túli magyarok ügyében?
Elsőként az európai közbeszéd tárgyává kell tenni a kérdést, másodsorban itthon kell rendet tenni, hogy a csonka Magyarország védőhatalmi státuszt biztosítson minden magyarnak a világban. Meg kell adni nekik a magyar állampolgárságot, segíteni kell az önrendelkezési törekvéseket, végül a kapcsolatok erősítésének kormányzatilag és államilag támogatott módján elő kell segíteni a kulturális és gazdasági újraegyesítést.
@Ça va pas la tête: “…The traditions, culture, and mindset, of real Hungarians are…just what, exactly, Vándorló?…”
Simple answer, they are what they are? Why ask me? Have I raised this as an issue or used this in my reasoning anywhere?
I believe Cináed provided a precise of his experience thus far.
As it happens I did, a while back (and just for fun), start to outline some of my theories about Hungarians. It was, as you would expect, esoteric to the extreme, being based as it was on Japanese theories of their society. These are called Nihonjinron or 日本人論, literally ‘theories about Japanese’ and cover a number of distinct domains. I likewise called mine Hangariijinron ハンガリー人論 or ‘theories about Hungarians’.
My basic assertion was that Hungarian culture is basically Asian with fundamental aspects missing, leading to the distortions and lack of social cohesion that most people seem to complain about. It was very redolent of Cináed’s line of thought though I laid on the bullshit with a trowel and added things like Max Weber’s theories in for could measure. I may just unearth these and stick them back on my blog to annoy you.
p.s. Soros didn’t break the existing laws, people were simply sore that he’s shit loads smarter than them – a loser’s mentality. OTP ended up profiting far more from it. Buying their shares back on the cheap, fleecing their customers whilst blaming Soros for it. Nice trick. Though I suppose you weren’t fooled, nem lehet port hintani a szemedbe, ugye?
Van: I’d be interested to see the posts you mentioned. Let me know if/when you put them up so I can have a read.
Vándorló. You do not impress me brother. Your knockabout bullshit underpins the fact that you
are a self-deluded moron that wallows around in mountain loads of trivial nonsense.
I think Pike/y is your real name anyway. The title
Vándorló you misappropriated for reasons best known to yourself? Perhaps to make you look/sound more intelligent than you really are?
Soros is a villain. We all know it. By supporting him you show your true colors.
P:S
How is the combined project with you and Duncan coming along?
(The Pestiside Project from sometime ago.)
Or, have you conveniently forgotten?
@Ça va pas la tête: ごまをする奴,トイレットペーパー!
( ﾟ,_ゝﾟ)ﾊﾞｶｼﾞｬﾈｰﾉ
u.i. és persze semmit nem felejtettem el, a fejlesztés folyamatban van.
@Cináed: I believe I’ve just been given the go ahead to re-post these. Will tell you when they are up (probably Wednesday). Just need to pass them through a latin1 to utf8 script (the database backups never used utf8 so got scrambled – not my doing) and a couple of other things.
@S
Vandorlo impresses ME and seems like a much more interesting mind than your vindictive self… Some of us here enjoy his musings, unlike the little bit we’ve seen of yours.
Are you sure you want to continue to dedicate such an inordinate number of your available brain cells to following Vandorlo’s career? If you want to be nasty for nasty’s sake it just indicates you don’t very much interesting going on yourself. Now please move on before someone outs YOUR sorry behind. You are not wanted here, loser.
@S
And why don’t you post under YOUR ‘real’ name? Stan the jackass that no one likes, never DID likes and who clearly has no friends. Yeah, use THAT name, or better yet stay away.
And no I am not Vandorlo, just enjoy his presence here. Unlike YOURS, Stan.
Funny thing about them Communists, all they do is snoop after others but get all pushed out of shape when outed…
Mark, you know what the problem is, you think that everyone who doesn’t buy into the bullshit you, Stan, Ricsi, Law, and the other jackasses around here are trying to sell means that we are communist, liberal or other types of lefties. The problem with your warped thought process is that you see populist groups like Jobbik as being different than the ones you rage against and they are almost exactly the same, just a different coat of paint. More nationalism and populism is never going to be the way forward for this or any country.
Do not forget to shine your red star and salute your Rakosi/Stalin poster
Mark, don’t forget to polish your arrow cross badge, and sharpen those bayonets!
Spoken like all the Communist murderers we still have with us.
@ Mark
I don’t know about you, but I get impatient with never ending philosophical discussions that go nowhere. Lets’ make it really simple. Grade 6 level.
We all agree that Hungary and Hungarians suffered long enough under the horrific Communist regime. Hungarians are smart – they deserve the long sought for Democracy. So far so good?
In Canada (sorry, I simply don’t know other countries’ rules ) you cannot be a lawyer, policeman, RCMP officer if you have a criminal conviction. You cannot work in any capacity with children if you have been convicted of child molestation.
In the US, it’s the kiss of political death if you cheat on your wife – that subject deserves months of discussions in the media long after the politician resigned.
Why on earth can someone even run for political office in Hungary if they were ever members of the Communist party? How hard would it be exclude eligibility under the circumstances?
@Mark – I come from a country where communists usually end up in jail. Having served in my country’s military for 22 years, and its diplomatic corps for 10, I doubt that I’d qualify as a communist. You can hang on to your arrow cross badge, though. Stick it on your NRA membership card and show it off to your redneck friends.
Btw – Cheney & Bush didn’t run to Canada, and both avoided Vietnam. Your understanding of American politics/Canada is as simplistic and pathetic as your understanding of Hungary.
Also, since you’ve said foreigners don’t contribute to Hungary, I’ll bet you any amount of money, that I’ve contributed more in taxes, spending, productive investments, generating revenue, and knowledge transfer to Hungary than you ever have.
Why don’t you be a real Hungarian – come back and do something for ‘your’ country, if you really have anything to contribute.
Well said Curious George. Hungarians deserve better
than what they have got from the MSZP and Fidesz governments over the last twenty years.
The only thing I can add is that nothing will/can
really change until proper plans are drawn up for
reforms to be introduced that will (hopefully) get this nation fast-tracked on the road to success.
The MSZP are the remains of the old commie guard – for sure. Fidesz, in my opinion, are similar, with a different line in rhetoric.
The bad news for us all is that most politicians in Hungary are lacking in any real expertise and, because of this, indulge themselves in corruption. A practice in which they excel.
Bystander. Keep your unwanted pig’s nose out of other people’s business. The Vandal is well able to respond to my jibes himself.
BTW Tough guy? I will knock your teeth so far down your throat you will be talking through your arse.
No change there, then!
Up to the challenge, PUNK?!
@S, you are a brave man. Respect. Please demonstrate
your braveness once more by listing your name and
address.
@QC – Having seen first hand the events in the Soviet bloc, I’m really saddened at what Hungarians went through in the past 20 years. It had so much more organization and potential to advance, if it only looked forward.
Agree with you on the 2 parties, and the failure of the past governments to set up a stronger political & economic system. I was surprised when Van highlighted the failure of Jobbik to educate their people in using legal (though untried) means of questioning political issues and decisions. I didn’t even think such a means existed in Hungary. I think Jobbik and the other parties don’t want to educate their supporters politically because they don’t want these processes used against them in the future.
I’m sick of Hungarian wannabees blaming everything on commies (anyone who is a jew, Roma, expat, and what not) when they themselves fail to step up to the plate or identify their own shortcomings. Many expats are truly saddened to see Hungarians going through a lot of unnecessary economic hardship.
@Mark – how many Hungarians did the commies kill, imprison, have their fingernails pulled out or exiled since 1989? How many during the Fidesz years?
@Curious George
You lying Communist trash, there is no such “country where communists usually end up in jail”. Having established that you are a liar, the rest of your post, likely to be more lies, deserves no response.
@Wannabee Mark – you just proved your ignorance about the 200-odd countries around the world. Stick to your NRA membership and your arrow-cross redneck friends.
@Ça va pas la tête: Nyugszik a beteg. Ez már totális elmebaj. Na, belélegezz mélyen, 3-1-ig kilélegezz…. be ….. ki ….. Jól van.
Jews and Gypsies can also be Hungarians if they feel that they are and behave such.
Mark at December 14, 2009 10:48 AM
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You forgot the 2nd biggest minority in Hungary, the German-speaking Schwab.
I never ever got any response on my Schwab-postings from Ricsi and his few friends, so there is something uncomfortable here.
The few Schwabs I know, are active in the Schwab movement in Hungary, they speak German at home, the speak Hungarian when they need, but they very much regard themselves as Germans living in Hungary.
They are an influential group, hardworking, not poor and if you go to a Schwab village it is much cleaner and more order, than your average non-Schwab village.
And these Schwabs are definitely not Jobbik supporters, they hate them, they see Jobbik as racists and fascists and feel threathen by this ‘Magyarization’ being driven on by Jobbik and their black-dress hooligans.
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And the main question, from Mark’s quote above:
- *Who* is going to judge who “behave” like an Hungarian.
In Ricsi and his few friends’ small brains that is of course very simple. If you are against Jobbik, you are anti-Hungarian.
I say hats off to the Schwab community for living the way they are. That, in my opinion, is how it should be done, celebrate your heritage, preserve it, yet also respect the Country that you are living in and their traditions as well. Every Hungarian I know in Canada lives this way.
My understanding from most of Marks postings, if the Jewish and Roma communities lived their lives as the Schwab, there would be no need for parties like Jobbik. Again, this is the impression that I get from his writings and have never heard him come right out and say this, I could be wrong.
@justasking
You are not wrong. It is not who you are but how you behave is what counts for me. I would prefer if there was a way not to see Viking’s lies and still read the better posts but as it is I see them and find them so repulsive and so loaded with lies and ignorance that I just ignore them but you got what is important and agree with you response.
Hungarian-Americans also make an effort to be useful members of American society and most of them are better educated than the average American. Those Hungarians who escaped after the Soviets crushed the Hungarian Uprising have done especially well. On special occasions, such as the commemoration of Hungarian Uprising, they display the American and Hungarian flags and sing the American and Hungarian anthems. No sane person would question about the loyalty of Hungarian-Americans to America or Hungary.
Schwab families do try to teach their children German but so do many Hungarians who also try to teach their children English and German if they can afford it. Intermarriage is very common but the children of these marriages are Hungarians. It is not a question of ethnicity but a question of conduct. Paraphrasing Professor Higgins: Why can’t the Jews and Gypsies be more like the Schwabs?
@Mark – “Why can’t the Jews and Gypsies be more like the Schwabs?”
Would Hungary be better off if all Hungarians (not just Jews and Roma) were more like the Schwabs?
btw – We had Sophie here a while back who, as an Australian, said she would put Hungary before Australia anyday, and even questioned the saneness of Australia in assuming her loyalty? Does this only happen to Australian Hungarians or have American Hungarians diluted their sense of “Hungarianness”?
@justasking – glad you found the time to expand on “Mark’s” views. Isn’t it a coincidence they mirror your exact words when I asked you about how accepting you were about an Indian woman who is integrated into and loyal to Canada, but chooses to wear a sari to “celebrate their heritage”. You avoided the question then, but no matter?
Hope you can similarly find time to provide that list you promised 2 months ago.
CG: My memory of Sophie was not so complimentary.The question you ask though is really rather complex and if I attempted to answer it, I think I’d end up writing yet another novella.
To try to be short though…as with I’m sure many countries, being Australian or even living in Australia means many different things to different people.Where we are very different to European nations though is that as a nation we are really only an ‘adolescent’, which among other things means that a great deal of our population is still within 3 or 4 generations of when their families first migrated. This subsequently means that many still bear a strong sense of identity with their nation of origin.Secondly, the Australian culture is neither a singular nor consistent entity.Australia is huge and so different regions can be almost as different culturally as different nations…added to this is that various waves of immigration from different nations have settled in concentrations in different locations.In a sense, Australian culture is more of a host culture, or perhaps even a framework, within which varying degrees of cultural ‘intensity’ are expressed.
As to loyalty, well, I would have said that there is really no restriction on anyone expressing their love of their culture of origin as long as it doesn’t express anti-Australian sentiment.I have, however, become increasingly worried more recently about the rise in Australian nationalist behaviour. (cont)
There has been a disturbing rise in race related violence and victimisation, much of it by people using slogans like “Australia for Australians”…something which is ironic given my previous comment about our relatively short history.By that logic, we should all vacate the continent and leave it for the Aboriginal people, who by the way have been treated appallingly by successive governments; first the Brits, and then our own. So as to Sophie, well, I didn’t talk to her myself so I wouldn’t know, but this I would suggest.I think most Australians probably wouldn’t care all that much, but would expect her to make a choice…otherwise it’s kind of ‘biting the hand that feeds you’.As for questioning the sanity of Australians, well…I question the sanity of Australians constantly and I question the mental health of our society…that’s one of our freedoms here.What Sophie or other disaffected Australians might say of the country is like water off a duck’s back to me, just one thing that grates on me is when attack a people or a nation for the purpose of raising their esteem with another people or nation, and so on that, I question the motives of anyone who says such things.To answer your question though, many Australians of foreign cultural origin hold on very strongly to their culture, while others choose to adjust away from it.There really is no typical experience. Is that any help?
Ahh Erik the Neo Liberal! Appears again you are not interested in reporting on a big story about a murder by a GYPSY! If this were a Hungarian or MG it would be Extreme Radical Right Winger Murderes huh? This is another example of what Erik stands for, the commie supporting whimp!
http://www.hungarianambiance.com/2009/12/couple-savagely-attacked-with-samurai.html
Hi Cinaed
The old divide and rule the nation is what is happening in Australia, can’t you see the obvious!
Law, what I worry about in Australian politics is that we are moving slowly towards the right.I have seen a rise in hysteria and xenophobic attitudes, which are not in the best interests of the country.I am disturbed by the number of times the Australian flag is now associated with ‘bogans’, and racial violence.I am fine with being patriotic when it means cheering your team on, or expressing our thanks to those who have fought for our freedom and way of life.I think we all have to remember though, that we are a nation of immigrants and that to hate any single social or ethnic group is to hate ourselves.So I would ask who is dividing Australia? You frequently discuss the ‘neo-liberal’ elite, but I have to disagree.This is more to do with a rise in parochialism and the ever present problem and failure of successive Australian governments state and federal to deliver better quality education particularly in disadvantaged areas.I also think that the use and misuse of the issue of global terrorism especially by Howard but to a lesser degree the labor govt has fueled latent racism and suspicion of those who are more different than others.
Anyway…I have talked way too much about Australia on what is a Hungarian website and I’m sure everyone else is bored with it.
Cinead – I totally agree with your observations that many immigrants to Australia (esp those that arrived after the 70s) tended to maintain a cultural affinity to their origins. I think that is understandable. I was at a nationalization ceremony there for a friend, and the speaker stressed that while the new citizens were now Australians, he hoped that they would understand their heritage, maintain their cultural links, but integrate and add to the richness, diversity, and progress of Australia.
I have deep reservations when someone like Sophie who is probably born and brought up in Australia, openly proclaims a loyalty to Hungary (a characteristic which Mark proclaims is unquestionable if Hungarian) As a ex-military man, and a minority in my own country, I am very conscious of issues of trust, loyalty, and patriotism. What irks me is when justasking feels that a Muslim woman who is integrated into and loyal to Canada is less Canadian because of her religion or decision to wear a hijab, but Sophie’s attitude towards Australia was implied to be acceptable. There was a bit of discussion between the two as to who was “more Hungarian”, but that was secondary. I have family in both Australia and Canada, and they are proudly Australian or Canadian (except when it occasioally comes to sporting events against their original country)
@Cinaed – cont’d but I can imagine what they would have to endure if they ever said something like what Sophie expressed.
I’m also concerned when Mark, who categorises other people who are born and brought up in Hungary as being less Hungarian because of their background than someone like him who has yet to contribute in a meaningful way.
Anyway, congratulations on your big day, and I’m glad for many of your postings. Not being one for social niceties (at times), I appreciate and admire the measured calm, and patience you take on your answers.
ps the above anonymous was from me.
CG: Thanks for your post. It’s always nice to hear someone likes your writing, though I’m not sure everyone quite feels the same way…anyway, as the Bible says when referring to trials, tribulations and the unkind words of others “…consider it all joy my brethren…” That’s for you Law
Yeah, I know what you’re talking about. As I mentioned, I didn’t really see much of Sophie’s writing, although what I do remember was that she made some ‘interesting’ use of logic.
As far as loyalty goes, well…Aussies and Kiwis hack on each other constantly, but in times of war or disaster, we are united. If Sophie feels that Hungary is the place for her, then fine, she should follow her heart and be where she needs to be. I just don’t see the point of hacking on Australia in the process. I have to be honest and say that I don’t really identify much with the popular view of what Australian culture is supposed to be, and really, I had to leave the country to work out what it felt like to be an Australian, but having said that, on my way home, it was good to step onto that Jumbo with the flying kangaroo and the Aussie flag by the door.
Again being honest, I’m a bit cynical of what patriotism means to a lot of people, it just seems like a religion substitute a lot of the time. There is, though, something to be said for ‘home’. …and so in the words of Peter Allen, ‘…but no matter how far or how wide I roam, I still call Australia home.’
There are many things why I despise Communists. I despise tem most for murdering and torturing people while calling their victims haters but I also despise them because they lie all the time. They take what people say and without the using required quote make up stories about those, they do not like.
I do not believe a word of this Communist trash who claims that he came from a country where communists usually end up in jail and do not believe the statement it attributes to someone named Sophie. I never had any conflict with being a loyal American and American and I do not believe that any Hungarians living in Australia or Canada would have a conflict either. One of the reasons but not the only reason why Hungarians do not look for conflict in countries that took them in, especially after the Hungarian Uprising is the unwritten Hungarian rule “ne szarj oda ahol eszel”. Most Hungarians live by that rule, maybe they do not say it as coarsely as I just said but it served them and their host countries well.
The Schwabs must also live by that rule and that is why the majority Hungarians accept them. The Gypsies and Jews never learned to get along with the majority population. They must feel that it is their right to abuse those they should get along with for their own benefit. Who cares if they are colored or if they have large noses? It is not how they look but how they behave. The majority Hungarians, the same as the people in most countries see them as a problem because “oda szarnak ahol esznek”.
@George;
I do have other commitments, like others on this site, so I did not deserve your little comment about “finding the time”. I’m here when I can spare the time, not by ignoring my family and leaving them to their own devices.
I do not remember having a conversation about women wearing Sari’s, I do remember a conversation of women wearing Hajab’s (I did’nt spell that right did I?)I said that I find Hajab’s offensive for it represents suppression of women. Now, are we talking about the same thing? I thought that the Hajib/Hajab, whatever it’s called, was the one that completely covers the face and body and just leaves out a little slit to see through. While the Sari, was the traditional outfit that East Indian women wear, the stuff on Bollywood movies. I do not find the latter offensive for why would I? I see no difference between her wearing that and me wearing a Hungarian embroidered blouse.
What the conversation was about, was how people are not respecting the Country that they are living in and how it effects others in that Country. If I am to be tolerant/sensitive to minority religions/ethnicity, do they not have the same obligationto show the same respect to mine, the “majority”?
You can try to twist my words around all you want George, if that makes you happy, go ahead and fill your boots. I could care less. I believe, in the motto “Don’t bite the hand that feeds you”.
@justasking
It is funny that I was just discussing why one should not believe this person…
Hi Zsuzsa: I fully appreciate that you are taking time with your family. You’re probably far more sensible than me staying up to all hours of the night to type endless posts into a little red box. I’m actually a bit conflicted myself over the full face covering dress issue. On one hand, I agree with you about the issue of women’s rights, but on the other, I remember a woman telling me about how in her culture, this was considered ‘right’ and that she wanted to keep the faith and traditions…hard to argue with that. However, that is not the only thing. One of the issues I’ve had to deal with quite a bit is that of cultural sensitivity as a teacher. I was working at an Institute of Technology that specialised in ‘feeder courses’ into university, aimed primarily at international students. A lot of the Muslim students ask and sometimes demand that the school do more to meet their spiritual needs and allow them their cultural ‘way’. This is fine, except that I ask at what point should we be saying, ‘hey, hang on, if we went to your country, you’d expect us to adapt to suit you, and yet when you’re here, you’re still telling us to adapt to suit you’. Somewhere there has to be a balance, or as they say ‘turn around is fair play’. For the record, while I’m all for people keeping their cultural traditions, any system that advocates repression of anyone based on gender, race or creed isn’t really high on my respectibility list.
Hope you’re well.
Recapitulation.
Rákosi (Serbian Jew) Head of the Workers Party
in Hungary from 1945
Gen. Péter
Gábor (Jewish tailor) Head of the AVO
(Despised by Hungarians)
Leading ministers in Hungary’s post-war government
Rákosi (Jew) Leader
Ernö Gerö (Jew) Minister
Mihaly Farkas (Jew) Minister
József Révai (Jew) Minister
The foursome who ran the country (Hungary) until 1953. During which time (1948-9 in particular) thousands of Jews lost their businesses and homes and lives in purges carried out by the four just men?
Rákosi was a disciple of Stalin. An evil and wicked man who coined the phrase, ‘salami-slicing technique’ which was the way he dealt with the opposition!
True – or revisionist?
@Justasking – Anyway, the issue of the hijab, and sari were at two different points. The hijab was when I asked if you see someon as less Canadian because she chose to wear the headdress (it doesn’t cover the body leaving only the eyes).
The sari issue was after Sophie came into the picture, and I asked it adopting Canadian traditions meant that someone shouldn’t wear a sari. You never answered the second time.
There is no twisting here.
Yes, you did mention the list “if it was the last thing I do”. I believe providing it will probably be the last thing you do, but you continuing those baseless accusations, and other justifications will probably continue.
@Arrow Cross Wannabee Mark – why don’t you provide the numbers, and answer the question. Would Hungary be better off?
Just so you understand your name, if anyone who disagrees with you is a commie, then I think it’s only appropriate that anyone who disagrees with me is Arrow Cross member
btw Since your knowledge is so limited, guess I’ll have to help – Taiwan is one such country where communists usually ended up in jail. There are many others. ACW – lighten up on your kneejerk comments (“Who care if they are colored, or have large noses”). Sophie exists – not sure about your brain.
@Cinead – I agree that Muslims have to adapt to the same extent we do when we are in their country. But at the same time, I think they should also have the same rights as we do in ours. btw – I’m not Muslim.
Communist trash lies again; Taiwan has a legal Communist party
@Arrow Cross Mark – that was a recent development, about 1 year. Prior to that all communists were jailed. Malaysia & Singapore are other examples.
Are you really that dumb, or are you just pretending to be dumb. Wait – Don’t answer!
Try some other lie, Communist trash
You said, “I come from a country where communists usually end up in jail.”
It was lie, a very big lie, Communist trash.
Seems like Georgie Poof Porgie Rhyme
Georgie Porgie pudding and pie,
Kissed the Poofs and made them cry
When the Real boys came out to play,
Georgie Porgie ran away.
@Arrow Cross Mark – I didn’t say I came from Taiwan, or Malaysia or Singapore, for that matter. But, if you’re willing to pay $100 donation to a Hungarian children’s charity for every country I name where commies are jailed, I’ll start giving naming more countries. Hope you have at least $2000, or a healthy checkbook. If you agree, send the money to Erik, and I’ll name some more countries.
@Law – Run away? Let’s see if ACW Mark runs away now. Btw what title do YOU have?
@ George;
Just so that we are all clear. What is it called when only the headscarf is worn? The ones you usually see Persian or little old Hungarian women wear? The headscarf, I have no issue with. What is that blue/black outfit called, that totally covers a womans body, leaving only a slit for the eyes to see through? That outfit, I have a major issue with for the reasons that I already gave. Besides, is that not a “man made law” as opposed to one of their “God” laws? Similar, to the Catholic religion, insisting that Priests are not allowed to marry is a “man made law” and not one that came from “God”? And what is the outfit that East Indian women wear, the one that has what looks like a sports bra, wrapped all around by beaded see through material? That outfit, I would wear, if it were not for the streatch marks left behind by punching out a couple of kids late in life.
As for me not responding to a comment of yours, more than likely is was because I did not see it and not because I did not want to answer it. 99% of the time I answer peoples questions/comments. As for that list, you’ll get it when I get it.
If memory serves, it was Elle and not Sophie who made the comment that she would choose Hungary over Oz. I had made the comment, that although I consider myself a Hungarian Canadian, if push comes to shove, I would defend Canada first. The conversation was never reduced to “whos the better Hungarian” as you would have people believe. Twist, Twist, Twist!
They were the same person.
@ Cinaed;
All is fine here with the family, thanks for asking. I try not to stay up too late at night typing into a “little red box”. Sometimes I do, and end up paying for it the next day when my children wake up and expect me to hit the ground running along with them!
@ Law;
Hello dude! Nice nursery rhyme! Focus on your e-mails!!!!!
Btw – my statement on this post was “who was more Hungarian” not “who was the ‘better’ Hungarian”. Please re-read.
You made the comment about about attires without understanding what they were. A sweeping judgement, just like your statement on the MNCs.
I’m not a Muslim, nor interested in woman’s fashion, but I think what you were probably thinking of is a probably Burka, and not a hijab. But, I agree that both the Muslim and Catholic practises were probably made-up by man.
@justasking: Typically called hijab (headscarf) and burqa (full covering), though lots of variations on terms and spellings.
I did not know that!
@ Vandor;
I remember one time I called it a burka and was corrected and told it was called a hijab.
Anyhow, now there is no misunderstanding on what outfits I agree with and the ones I do not.
You said, “I come from a country where communists usually end up in jail.”
It was lie, a very big lie, Communist trash.
@Arrow Cross Mark – Raise you $10000. I’ll give the name of where I’m from and check to Erik, and you can do likewise. He can verify whether the information I gave is correct or wrong, and decide which check to keep. Either way, it benefits Hungary.
In or out?
You said, “I come from a country where communists usually end up in jail.”
It was lie, a very big lie.
Adding more lies will not make your lies go away, Communist trash
You know that I am a Hungarian-American and I am proud of it. You must have good reason for being ashamed of your country…
@Arrow Cross Mark – In or Out?
You said, “I come from a country where communists usually end up in jail.”
It was lie, a very big lie.
Adding more lies will not make your lies go away, Communist trash
Why are you ashamed of who you are, Communist trash?
You probably smart to hide your country or origin because you are probably from one of those countries where women have no rights and old farts like you buy little baby girls for wives.
Keep your secret, Communist trash, nobody wants to know about your horrible habits you call your culture. We see enough of those horrible things on CNN and NBC. It is enough to make one sick. Thank God, that with all of our problems, at least we do not have things like that.
You had better keep on lying. That is the best for you…
@ACM- I’ve said many times before, my wife doesn’t want me to disclose where I am from as she’s scared of people who may do a similar number like what happened to Ricsi.
I’ll disclose where I’m from (for a good cause) but only to Erik, Van or Laszlo who I trust will keep that info. With his bat device, Van probably already has knows.
So, in or out?
Keep your secret, Communist trash, nobody wants to know about your horrible habits
Curious George@ Ricsi Ricsi is here to stay,Ricsi never went away!! Just too busy preparing for April 2010.
By the way don’t think too highly of that cretin Van,he thinks way above his station,and the only way he tracks people is by using ‘sitemeter’ at the bottom of this web page-go look and see where you are!It took him a long time to realise some of us where using variable location identifiers-without Tor.
As for the others,well our enemy showed his hand-he can only play dirty for he knows his time is over very soon.
Over and out,end of transmission……….
@Arrow Cross Mark – Yes, I agree – no one wants to know where I’m from, but think, here’s your chance to finally do something for Hungary. Think about the kids. $10000. Hell, I’ll even reduce your part to $1000, if you want.
C’mon, you dont want to deprive those Hungarian orphans of $10000, do you?
@Communist trash George
Keep your secret; nobody wants to know about your disgusting habits
Type in “India child brides” for Internet search and tell us Hungarians why think it is so terrible for the Magyar Garda to stand up for Hungarian human rights.
The child brides of your country would be lucky to enjoy the protection that Hungary offers to children.
@Ricsi – while I dont agree with your views, I didn’t agree with outing you (or whoever it was whose address appeared there). Good luck, and for the sake of Hungarians, I hope you can get Jobbik to come up with a realistic economic program.
@ George;
“More Hungarian” vs “better Hungarian”= semantics.
What a caddy little worm you can be. Picking apart anything and everything, just so you can be right. Or at least think you are. Little, little man.
Kindergarten or political forum? All the lightweights spitting and scratching like the good bitches you are.
Erik as far as I know provides this site for political comment? It doesn’t matter which political party you support as long as you conduct yourself properly and post sensible and relevant comment.
The MSZP are the government – not Jobbik. Why give the latter so much air time?
As for the bloodhounds that seek to track people’s addresses and make them public… a few surprises in store for them shortly!!!
@ZZ – you were both discussing how you expressed “Hungarianness”, and where your loyalties were. Call that whatever you want.
“Better Hungarian” (or any nationality)is not something I subscribe to because it implies that one person could consider him/herself more “patriotic” than another.
@ George;
As I have said before, you are like a dog with a bone. Always having to be right, what a stressful way to go through life.
@Arrow Cross Mark – I’m not sure what India Child Brides have to do with me. Have you been surfing for one?
You in or out? or just avoiding the question like you avoided all the other questions put to you?
@ZZ – who’s stressed?
Unlike you (or Mark), I don’t make up statements which I subsequently can’t back up, and need to wiggle out of by claiming you misunderstood, were too busy, had snow in your hair (this takes the cake for silly excuses), or simply fall back on your gender and resort to basic name calling.
@ George;
Wow! No stress there! Now, I know you can read; but, can you comprehend what you are reading? I would say no, because if you did, you would not take things out of context to make a point. Or better yet, think you’ve made a point.
Now a little advise, get yourself a glass of wine and take a nice long bubble bath. You will literally feel the stress seeping out of you. No, no…you can thank me later.
@justasking – oooh. Thank you, you’re so sweet! Couldn’t resist the snow bit even if that was out of context. See, I always admit. You’re right – it is relaxing.
Now, you try it
@ George;
No can do the bubble bath right now. It is only 3:30 pm here and the kids are napping.
Here I thought that the snow in the hair bit was one of my funnier lines. Oh, well. at least I had a good laugh when i wrote it.
Is this a woman’s weekly magazyine or gayboys
get-together hour? Bubble baths, wine drinking,
and familiariarities that make us all want to be sick. Curious George loves Justasking?
Elment az észed!
Communism has been found wanting in every aspect of its transition from theory into practice.
It ultimately becomes a dictatorship and a lot of people disappear without trace. Ask Joe Stalin.
Chairman Mao’s Little Red Book. What good was/is that?
Communism, its methods, architecture, and overall
ethos stink. We still have the smell in Hungary.
It goes by the name of MSZP. The Fidesz breeze is in the air. That smell is not much better either.
@ Col.Frank;
You are right, this is a Political site and only politics should be discussed.
Your comments on Communism, MSZP and FIDESZ were extremely interesting and original. Would you please care to share with the rest of us, how you arrived at that conclusion Spanky…I mean Col.
@Col Frank – you’re right about the smell. But maybe you can enlighten us a little on that communism bit.
People change with the times.I have a hard time believing that the party of the past is exactly the same as what we have now.The communists may have done all those nasty things that you mentioned. However,I’m just curious how much of that continued after ’89. How many people disappeared,how many had their fingernails pulled out,and how many were ground into minced meat into the Danube(?) after ’89? While some of the people are the same, I dont believe the party is.
I think there are some who want do to something positive for Hungary (even in the new Socialist party), although they may not know how, may fall into line doing the bidding of their senior colleagues, or simply exercise their ability to take advantage of corruption opportunities which come their way.
I cant believe every single member of the socialist party (esp those who were too young) being guilty of murder, torture etc. Guilty of corruption? Probably.
No one here has spoken positively about the experience under communism, and there is no point looking back to that model. Hungary’s future is more important, given the challenges it faces, both externally and internally. I believe Hungarians have to set aside some differences to implement systems to prevent corruption, policies to alleviate social discord etc, and not focus on retribution first. That can come later when the system is strengthened.
Damn, that anonymous was me!
@Radar
“Kindergarten or political forum? All the lightweights spitting and scratching like the good bitches you are.”
I usually avoid getting into a spiting contest with people I abhor. I do not respond to Vandorlo or Viking and some other provocateurs because they are a waste. However, this clown got under my skin, not over any disagreement since he has nothing to contribute but because it appears that he is from India with human rights violations to make the Communists and Nazis look like choirboys. The Indian caste system is brutal, racist and discriminatory. It has been in existence for thousands of years, condemning to horrible existence millions of people for no other reason than their “caste”. Their treatment of women as property degrades human life yet they get a pass on it. The most disgusting about their “culture” is their treatment of little girls. They sell these poor creatures to old farts such as “Curious George” and they may do with them as they please. If a bride does not bring sufficient dowry, she is burned, murdered and forced to commit suicide.
It is a bit hard to take when someone coming from such a “culture” tries to bad mouth Hungarians who would never do any of those disgusting things.
@Kentucky Fried Mark – Stop fishing, Mark. I am not from India. I’m not gonna check, but I’m pretty sure I read that the Indian government has communists in their coalition. I agree with everything you said about the Indian caste system, and all the abhorrent practises still happening there.
Tell you what! You stop your communist name calling (on me and everyone else who disagrees with you), and I’ll stop with the ACW or the KFM. We can forgot about the 10 Grand challenge if you want, and focus on the politics here.
Deal?
I dont bad mouth Hungarians, but, being a minority, I’m do stand up for minorities when they are targeted indiscriminately. I have no qualms about putting Roma or Jews who commit crimes behind bars. Different issue with mass categorisation.
I am glad you take an interest in Hungary and your parents origins. Would be better if you took some time to understand it from all angles. I had a Hungarian origin exchange student from another country who told me yesterday that he was quite disappointed to come here and see the state of the country. It was totally different from what he expected in terms of all he was led to believe. I’m glad he wants to come back again and contribute to Hungary’s progress. Being one the best and most conscientious students, I have ever had, I was pleased because I know he would stand by his word and do something positive when the time comes.
Maybe you should also bring your talent and spend some time here.
Why should I waste any time on someone who is ashamed of what he is? I despise the Jewish/Communist trash for always snooping about people, just as their fathers and grandfathers did in the Rakosi AVO but this is not about your name, address or even the city or country where you reside. It is a simple question of where you belong and you are ashamed to tell us. Other than the Jews, most everyone is proud to say who they are even if there are things that they are not too proud about their country’s history. You being ashamed makes you unqualified to debate because in every debate it is essential to know where the other person is coming from.
Recalling one of my favorite movies, “I got no more use for this guy.”
@Kentucky Fried Mark – we all know you dont know squat (texan talk). We also know you only think in terms of membership cards and coloreds, long noses and despicable indians. I can guess what you think of the Asians, Latinos, Africans, and the Middle East. I’ll bet you even have a white bedsheet with a pointy hat.
You believe only a Pole or an inexperienced Hungarian who possibly has a grudge against significant parts of the Hungarian population is capable of representing America’s best interest here. And you want the best for America? What a joke!
It’s not simply a question of where I come from, but of calling your bluff on your OWN comments and your spartan knowledge on practically everything. I agreed to disclose that info and verify everything I said to a trusted party to show you were wrong. If you are willing to put up, I’ll still see Erik tomorrow with the check.
But, everyone here already saw that you are
ALL TALK AND NO COJONES.
Dont waste your time coming here. Hungary needs real men (& women) who can do things. Of your kind,… perhaps in Babolna. I bet if you did grow up here, you’d be one of those enthusiastic commie Hungarians you rant about – one who’d do anything to get ahead, lick boots, and even pull out a few fingernails. Gallus gallus domesticus! But, I met Zimbardo last year, and I’d understand why you’d do it.
Commie George
Where do you get off speaking like that to a Hungarian? You honestly think you can sway anyone who knows the facts about Hungarian history? All you are doing is reiterating who and what your agenda is, no true Hungarian would believe your trash only the ignorant expats or foreigners with closed minds who have been breed to be drones would believe your ridicules version.
@law – I’d ask first, where does an american hungarian with no cojones speak to anyone like that?
Anyone who disagrees with him is a communist jew? Get real, law.
Hi Law, I stopped wasting my time on this jerk because he is nothing. I did not ask his name or address on any other information that the Jewish/Communist AVO types try to get on people they do not like. I just asked him the country of his origin and he is ashamed to tell us that and I am sure for very good reason. As I said, I am done with him. Why debate someone ashamed of what he is?
Kentucky Fried Mark – you didn’t ask me for my country of origin – you claimed there was NO such country where commies are imprisoned. I gave you 3 such countries to prove you wrong, and offered to name more countries to prove that several existed (for a fee)
After calling me a liar & a child abuser(several times, and I’m not sure why), I further offered to make a significant donation to Hungarian charities (through a verifiable 3rd party) if I was shown to have lied, if you would do likewise with a much smaller sum if it turned out to be the truth. I’m not ashamed of where I’m from – I just want you to put your money where your mouth is first!
You showed yourself to be an idiot that talks tough but has NO MARBLES! Over & Out!
@mark:
Why don’t you start wasting OUR time with your silly rantings about AVO and so on ?
We live in the 21st century now, hasn’t your mama told you stupid child ?
Go to hungarianambiance, that’s your type of craziness, they’ll give a warm welcome to another loonie Pseudo-Hungarian…
@CG:
It’s no use argueing with a dumbass like marky-mark, he’ll go on forever.
I wanted to catch up on the news, but there are just too many comments by those jobos, they turn me off this site. Have to wait a few days…
@Wolfi – welcome back! Yes, it is tiring even getting simple answers without hearing Commie, AVO and what not.
No Balls Mark is afraid of facing up to the validity of his OWN comments and accusations. What a waste of space.
I need to take a break too. Got papers to mark (arrrgh – that chicken shit word again).
Why can’t the Jews and Gypsies be more like the Schwabs?
Mark at December 16, 2009 7:33 AM
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They are actually – They all do not like Jobbik and all the other ‘Tiszta Magyar’ bullshit.
Especially spoken by foreigners living in Hungary or exiled ‘Hungarians’.
Your wish is everyone’s command, as usual.
Agreeing with the Schwab’s and living like the Schwab’s are two different things. Jews and Romas are minorities manipulating the majority.
My dear, dear, comrade – Justasking.
What a complete waste of space you are.
With your supercilious manner and complete lack of ability to differentiate between fact and fiction.
There are many I disagree with on this site but respect them for their ability to provide pertinent and logical argument.
Unfortunately, you are not one of them. But, perhaps, one of those. Yes, one of those, closet queens, that indulges in the love that dare not speak its name!
Jews and Romas are minorities manipulating the majority.
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