Hungary’s main opposition Fidesz party will gain two-thirds majority in Parliament after the general elections this spring if voting inclination remains unchanged, weekly HVG reported quoting a Median poll in its issue to be published on Thursday but sent to MTI on Wednesday.
The poll carried out by interviewing 1,200 people between January 8 and 12 shows that less than 50 percent of Hungarian voters would go to the polls if the elections were held this Sunday. Median added, however, that four years ago voting inclination was similarly low and only grew to 64 percent as a result of the election campaign.
The highest inclination to vote was recorded among those with higher levels of education and voters aged between 40 and 50, Median said.
The popularity of radical nationalist non-parliamentary party Jobbik is highest among people in their 20s. Median said members of this generation have not yet developed strong ties with current parliamentary parties and many of them only recently developed an interest in politics. In addition, the internet is a main source if information for the younger generation and Jobbik has been most active in this medium. Also, political radicalism, whether on the right or left, is generally most influential among young voters, said Median.
Party preference figures in recent months reflect that power relations are stable, Median said. Among decided voters, Fidesz holds two-third of the votes, the governing Socialists hold one-fifth and Jobbik around one-tenth. Three months before the elections, Jobbik is clearly the third force in Hungarian politics, Median said.
Among the small parties, conservative Democratic Forum does not reach the 5 percent support required to get into parliament, and the Free Democrats get below 1 percent support, for the first time since Median released its popularity polls.
four years ago voting inclination was similarly low and only grew to 64 percent as a result of the election campaign
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And most of them voted for MSZP, that is also a lesson from both 2002 and 2006.
The development of MDF will probably be the key issue in how the end result can be interpreted.
A 3-party Parliament would be a success for Fidesz and Jobbik, any more parties coming in (MDF looking the most likely at the moment) can be interpreted as a loss for both Jobbik and Fidesz.
With a minimum of 4 parties Fidesz will hardly get their two-thirds majority.
MSZP can only from the position they are now in, win. They are hardly to loose more support than what they have done already, it is more likely that they will gain support the closer to election day we come.
I really don’t think Fidesz will get a 2/3 majority. I suspect that some of the “won’t vote”s and the undecideds will swell behind this rather shaky MDF/SzDSz alliance as the protest vote of choice, and there will be a 4-party parliament. No-one gave MDF a chance last time, but they still scraped in…
However, Fidesz + Jobbik will probably equal 2/3, encouraging them to cosy up to each other after the election. Nice.
Fidesz + Jobbik will probably equal 2/3, encouraging them to cosy up to each other after the election
TDS at January 21, 2010 1:10 PM
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I would actually be rather surprised if Fidesz would invite Jobbik in any way, if this situation would occur.
The reaction from other EU member states, the US and some other countries, would not be very positive if Jobbik would get into the Government, or some sort of alliance would be created.
I do not think that Orban Viktor has any suicidal tendencies to be the ‘outcast of Europe’ by teaming up with Jobbik officially. I think he wants to be seen on the international arena as a ‘responsible’ leader. Remember Fidesz is member of the EPP and they do have members who are strong opponents to parties similar to Jobbik in their countries.
The tactical voting in the Parliament is of course another thing, but here it is very much a question how Jobbik will use their rhetoric in the next Parliament.
If Jobbik as today will scream of Jews and Romas (notice the US strong and long finger pointing to Hungary’s minority issues) are the big problems in Hungary today, then they will probably be rather isolated in any of those questions.
In the end of the day it will be the economical issues that will haunt the next Government also and there Jobbik will have no acceptable alternative.
The day Jobbik votes *for* a budget they are accomplices and can be accused for the mess.
As the populists they are, they will vote no.
@Viking:
Very good analysis, still what will Fidesz do if they get the two thirds majority – they will have “free hands”, how to use them ?
TDS: However, Fidesz + Jobbik will probably equal 2/3, encouraging them to cosy up to each other after the election. Nice.
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You are probably right on. I would like Jobbik to get majority but it probably will have to wait until 2014. For now, a very strong showing by Jobbik would be sufficient to make Fidesz take notice and keep their campaign promises about prosecution of political/economic criminals, protecting Hungary’s resources from foreign predators and stopping the gypsy crime epidemic.
I also expect Jobbik to do better than the Communist MSZP. Reading Jobbik sites and listening to Jobbik leaders, Jobbik does not want to join the Fidesz government but Jobbik will support Fidesz where it is in the national interest. The most important would be is a new Constitution to replace the current Communist Constitution. That would be high time.
Jobbik does not want to join the Fidesz government but Jobbik will support Fidesz where it is in the national interest
Mark at January 21, 2010 4:52 PM
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Written by a true populist.
Never do anything that you can be responsible for, like filing tax papers…
Characteristic “Viking” headfuck non-logic, lesson No.:228
Jobbik does not want to join the Fidesz government but Jobbik will support Fidesz where it is in the national interest
Mark at January 21, 2010 4:52 PM
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Written by a true populist.
Never do anything that you can be responsible for, like filing tax papers…
Viking at January 21, 2010 5:03 PM
Notice, dear reader, how the sentence from Mark, above the break, bears no logical, semantic, even incidental relationship whatsoever with the two sentences from Viking which follow it. Moreover, how also, Viking’s second sentence, bears no relationship whatsoever, either, with his first.
How does Jobbik’s insistence that it won’t form a coalition with Fidesz a populist move? It isn’t.
How does Mark’s expresion of this fact, make him a populist, true or otherwise? It doesn’t.
How does Jobbik’s assertion that it will vote in favour of Fidesz proposals that align with its own objectives, express populism? Duh… It don’t. (sensing any pattern here yet, dear reader?)
How does the aforementioned assertion by Jobbik, indicate any unwillingness to be “held responsible”? Yawn, it doesn’t.
How does shirking responsibility, relate to populism more than any other political persuasion? It doesn’t.
And what does any of this have to do with the financial reports (not tax papers, naughty naughty, and you thought you could sneak that past me you cheeky monkey) story of yesterday? Nothing at all.
Bob,
I give you right on the ‘financial’ papers, not ‘tax’ papers I used. It makes for a better expression.
Then we can all discuss the difference, then financial papers are there to prove also that there is no tax to have been paid, etc. But ‘financial’ is better.
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Normally a party, especially one that has claimed that they are ready to take over the Government, as Vona was quoted the other day, would try to get their influence into any acceptable Government.
Is not a Fidesz+Jobbik Government not an acceptable constellation suddenly?
Jobbik never wants to go into a coalition, only want to be alone in the Government?
Or is it, as I have been saying all years, that Fidesz and Orban especially, is the real enemy for Jobbik?
The aim is to do the same as Orban have been trying, take over the whole ‘right of center’-scene (or how ever that is suppose to be called in Jobbik-vocabulary)?
Those 2 things;
- Jobbik says no to all coalition-Governments,
- Jobbik does not want to cooperate with Fidesz, just ‘expose it’ if it does not ‘act in the interest of the Nation’,
just put Jobbik in a typical ‘We Say No’-situation to everything.
Another name for that is populism, never take responsibility for running the country forward, just ‘Say No’ and doing some firing speeches in the Assembly.
I really would like to see Jobbik voting ‘Yes’ to a coming State Budget, but I doubt I will see that happen.
But OK, surprise me!
strawman: a weak or sham argument set up to be easily refuted
The reason I ignore Viking because he has no integrity. It would be one thing for him to advocate positions he may believe but he does not do it. He makes up lies pretending that they are his opponents’ positions without the least evidence to support his claims. He sets up one strawman after another pretending that the other person put them on the table. How do you argue with someone like that? In my book, he does not qualify as a competent debating partner.
In my book, he does not qualify as a competent debating partner.
Mark at January 21, 2010 6:16 PM
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So you finally admit you are not Man enough for me…
You have always like the Mouse-tactic more.
That is how you are.
What a laugh
)) Viking is like a Corgi who barks a
lot, however, and is prone to nipping at your heels
in order to herd you. This can be overcome with
training, we should send him to obedience classes,
what you say mark, you think this may help?
This can be overcome with
training, we should send him to obedience classes,
what you say mark, you think this may help?
Law at January 21, 2010 6:49 PM
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We have discussed this before.
Ricsi will rebuild his Pig Farm into a Correction Facility and you will be the Manager there.
sub-Hungarians, like myself, Van and Wolfie will be the ‘Guest’, plus 90% of the country.
@Viking:
Please don’t try to reason with MurkyMark – he seems to be now a second voice to Lawless, a**holes are still a**holes if you put some clothes on them …
@Law at January 21, 2010 6:49 PM
Sorry my friend, it will not work. They cannot be trained It is best to keep them out and let them bark outside all they want.
Magyarország a magyaroké. They should go home and bark all they want.
Magyarország a magyaroké
Mark at January 22, 2010 8:20 AM
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So what are you doing in the US then?
Time to deport you…
Isten, áldd meg a magyart,
Jó kedvvel, bőséggel,
Nyújts feléje védő kart,
Ha küzd ellenséggel;
Bal sors akit régen tép,
Hozz rá víg esztendőt,
Megbűnhődte már e nép
A múltat s jövendőt!
Őseinket felhozád
Kárpát szent bércére,
Általad nyert szép hazát
Bendegúznak vére.
S merre zúgnak habjai
Tiszának, Dunának,
Árpád hős magzatjai
Felvirágozának.
Értünk Kunság mezein
Ért kalászt lengettél,
Tokaj szőlővesszein
Nektárt csepegtettél.
Zászlónk gyakran plántálád
Vad török sáncára,
S nyögte Mátyás bús hadát
Bécsnek büszke vára.
Hajh, de bűneink miatt
Gyúlt harag kebledben,
S elsújtád villamidat
Dörgő fellegedben,
Most rabló mongol nyilát
Zúgattad felettünk,
Majd töröktől rabigát
Vállainkra vettünk.
Hányszor zengett ajkain
Ozmán vad népének
Vert hadunk csonthalmain
Győzedelmi ének!
Hányszor támadt tenfiad
Szép hazám, kebledre,
S lettél magzatod miatt
Magzatod hamvvedre!
Bújt az üldözött s felé
Kard nyúl barlangjában,
Szerte nézett, s nem lelé
Honját a hazában,
Bércre hág, és völgybe száll,
Bú s kétség mellette,
Vérözön lábainál,
S lángtenger felette.
Vár állott, most kőhalom;
Kedv s öröm röpkedtek,
Halálhörgés, siralom
Zajlik már helyettek.
S ah, szabadság nem virúl
A holtnak véréből,
Kínzó rabság könnye hull
Árvánk hő szeméből!
Szánd meg, isten, a magyart
Kit vészek hányának,
Nyújts feléje védő kart
Tengerén kínjának.
Bal sors akit régen tép,
Hozz rá víg esztendőt,
Megbűnhődte már e nép
A múltat s jövendőt!
1823 Jan 22nd
Magyarország a magyaroké
Mark at January 22, 2010 8:20 AM
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So what are you doing in the US then?
Time to deport you…
@ Viking;
What does “Hungary belongs to the Hungarians” have to do with where Mark lives?
@justwhining:
Well who says MurkyMark is Magyar ?
So how come he defines “Magyarország a magyaroké. They should go home and bark all they want.”
Maybe he should stay “home”, where ever that is and leave Magyar politics (and Politics.hu too) to the people who live here in Hungary and do something for Hungary – not just “barking” like you and your Nazi friends …
I’ve never seen anything that would make justasking look like a Nazi.
What does “Hungary belongs to the Hungarians” have to do with where Mark lives?
justasking at January 22, 2010 3:11 PM
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If the slogan in Hungary is:
‘The World out of Hungary!’
then the slogan in the World will be:
‘Repatriate all Hungarians!’,
or in plain English “send ‘em home!”
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The slogan “Repatriera Alla Immigranter!” (“Repatriate All Immigrants!”) was the slogan of the “Sweden For Swedes”-movement in Sweden in the 70s.
Same type of people, same type of mindset, but now it is maybe time to turn the coin and ‘send back all Hungarians’?
Why should people have a choice outside Hungary, if they do not have it inside Hungary?
Same rules applies.
@Cinaed:
I didn’t call justasking a Nazi but wrote “her Nazi friends” and surely Law is a Nazi and Mark and Ricsi too …
@ Viking;
But the slogan does not read ” The World out of Hungary”
The slogan reads ” Hungary belongs to Hungarians or Hungary is the Hungarians” same difference.
I thought it a great slogan, saying, to me, that Hungary is for anybody that wants to be Hungarian. Nowhere does it say: “As long as your bloodlines are pure Hungarian (which mine are).
As for your example of Sweden, I’m sorry; but, in my opinion, if there was ever a country that turns it’s back on it’s own people for the sake of “Political Correctness”, that would be Sweden.
@ Cinaed;
Hey there guy, hope all is going great for you and your wife. Be safe.
@ Wolfi;
It is not for you to decide on who is Magyar and who is not, it is between them and the Republic of Hungary. Just like you have no right to tell people to leave a public forum for stateting their opinion, when some find yours to be just as offensive if not more.
@justasking
Well said.
@justasking
Maybe you have you noticed that it does not bother me the least when these people say that I am not Hungarian. It does not bother me because only Hungarians can decide who is Hungarian and who is not by their self-identification, their feelings about Hungary and other Hungarians and by their actions. I believe that there is no one who is confused about who is Hungarian and who is not Hungarian on this list and it will be a cold day in hell when foreigners will decide for us who we are. Unlike you and Olga, I am not willing to post personal information about myself on a list infested by hostiles but my friends on this list know me and know me well. That is all that needs to be said.
Getting back to Hungarian politics, I am less optimistic than my friend Law is about Jobbik winning the election in 2010. I am hoping for Jobbik to beat the Communists and win the second most votes. They will not join Fidesz in a government but they will support Fidesz when a 2/3 majority is needed to set Hungary right. If Fidesz does not deliver, I see Jobbik winning in 2014.
@wolfie
If you want to see Nazis, real mean, racist, genocidal Nazis, you need to visit your relatives in Nazi Israel or look into a mirror. Jewish Nazis are every bit as bad as the German Nazis were. All anyone has to do is look at the Gaza concentration camp and see how Nazi Israel is slaughtering those helpless people. What could be more Nazi than that?
@Viking
I was going to say something to you but you are not worth the effort.
I thought it a great slogan, saying, to me, that Hungary is for anybody that wants to be Hungarian. Nowhere does it say: “As long as your bloodlines are pure Hungarian (which mine are).
justasking at January 22, 2010 4:15 PM
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The Swedish BSS-movement (Bevara Sverige Svenskt – Keep Sweden Swedish) had the same message, as the French FN, the Slovak Slot, etc have.
Regardless what polish you want to put on it, it just means (which you found very important to point out):
“As long as your bloodlines are pure Hungarian”
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It is a slogan of exclusion and exclusivity, it is used and will be used increasingly at Roma, Schwab and other Hungarian minorities and of course against us, the ‘bloody’ immigrants.
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I totally disagree that I *must want to be* ‘Hungarian’ to live in Hungary.
I do not demand that any one moving to Sweden *must want to be* ‘Swedish’.
For ‘Hungarians’ living in Canada, *must they then want to be* ‘Canadian’?
If you do, you are definitely not an ‘Hungarian’, because you cannot be both.
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Kossuth Lajos (Ľudovít Košút) chose to be ‘Hungarian’, he could have joined his uncle, Juraj Košút, with whom Lajos used to spend his holidays and who had remained a strong Slovak nationalist/patriot.
I hardly think Lajos wanted to be an ‘Italian’ when he lived in Turin his last years, but Jobbik demand of any immigrants coming to Hungary, that they must want to be ‘Hungarian’, regardless they fled from war etc.
Looking at Viking’s confused posts, I think of a bunch of monkeys with typewriters.
Does he know what he is writing? If any of his junk makes any sense to anyone other than to his sidekick wolfie, I would like to know.
Does he know what he is writing?
Mark at January 22, 2010 5:51 PM
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As usual I checked wiki to get the spelling correct and some year etc.
I was surprised checking Kossuth Lajos page, the I could not find any reference to his relatives that were big Slovak Nationalists, which I know I have seen before.
I was able to find it so I got the Slovak spelling correct, but that info has been removed from Wiki.
It has deliberately been removed, because I could read the same text which I found in another place (a US University), but with all Slovak references removed.
So, I am not surprised that Mark gets confused when I mention Ľudovít Košút (Kossuth Lajos name in Slovakian, which he refused to use), it was a bit hard to find.
The mother of Lajos Kossuth, Karolina Weber was of Lutheran German descent so Kossuth has Magyar, Slovak and German roots. He chose to be ‘Hungarian’, even if he was less ‘Hungarian’ than my children.
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This is how the war on History goes on.
Deleting what is not Politicly Correct.
@ Viking;
Nice try. I wrote ” Does not say ” as long as your bloodlines are pure Hungarian”
Again, I have to ask, what language would you like to debate in? Your increasing lack of reading and understanding English, your self admitted lack of the comprehending the Hungarian language, leaves us with what? We have to find a common ground here somewhere. I know, maybe we should debate in European, would that work for you? I mean why not, you yourself stated that your raise your children to believe, not that they are Hungarian; but, that they are European. I wonder what European would sound like?
Unlike you, I demand loyalty. Loyalty from my family, loyalty from my friends, loyalty from my country, and I in turn, give them everything I have, my word to be loyal in return. Nobody, that knows me, will ever question that, for that is how I am wired.
So yes, I demand if you move to Canada, that you become Canadian, if not, why bother moving here? Stay where you are if it’s so great.
And yes, it is possible to be both, because I am a Hungarian Canadian, whilst my parents were/are Canadian Hungarians. Now do you get the picture?
If there was anybody, on this site, that was more opposed to integrating and demanding instead assimilation, it would be you. In my opinion, you are the type of person, that one should be leery of and not the people that support Jobbik. You promote loyalty to ones self, while Jobbik demands loyalty to the whole.
@ Bobs;
Hello!!
If there was anybody, on this site, that was more opposed to integrating and demanding instead assimilation, it would be you
justasking at January 22, 2010 6:35 PM
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On the opposite, I am the guy who is for *integration* as opposite to *assimilation*.
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Integration (I know Sophist will find some dictionary to hit me with) is for me that you keep as much you can of whatever you are, as long as that does not ‘violate’ some common acceptable values, like ‘You Should Not Kill Your Daughter Because She Looked At That Guy’-type of rules.
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Assimilation is for me more that you just disappear in to the majority, like the Slovak ‘Nationalists’ are demanding from the Hungarian-speaking minority, or Jobbik of the Roma in Hungary.
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That I do not buy your argument ‘how wonderful this slogan is’, is not the same thing as I do not understanding what you are writing.
I do.
My quote was (shorted):
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Nowhere does it say: “As long as your bloodlines are pure Hungarian (which mine are).
justasking at January 22, 2010 4:15 PM
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True, but that is what we ‘bloody foreigners’ understand it as, and that is what we *should* understand as.
That is the difference between you and me, I like to concentrate on the kernel of the problem, not the nice-looking outside. I do not do window-shopping.
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So, if Canada (yeah, of all countries) would start a very aggressive ‘Canada for the Canadians!’-movement, you would join it?
Feeling Really Canadian, or with your Hungarian part maybe feeling a bit off?
@ Viking;
You deliberatly shortened my quote to miss- represent what I was trying to say, just like your trying to twist “Hungary belongs to the Hungarians” to mean “us” against “them” and it’s not.
You are the one with the chip on his shoulder, not Mark, not Law, not me. YOU.
I would also be one of the first inline to scream “Canada for Canadians” because this country gave my parents an opportunity to work hard, raise a family and still preserve their heritage and culture. It is possible to have it all without haveing to crush others to get it.
And what exactly is my “Hungarian part” by the way? Or is this another example of you grasping the English language?
@justasking
I can also guess who wrote a couple of real nasty posts to Farkas Lászlo as Mark.
The same scumbag did who also forged Law’s name.
This is what they are
Best regards, the real Mark
I would also be one of the first inline to scream “Canada for Canadians” because this country gave my parents an opportunity to work hard, raise a family and still preserve their heritage and culture. It is possible to have it all without haveing to crush others to get it.
And what exactly is my “Hungarian part” by the way?
justasking at January 22, 2010 10:12 PM
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So here we have the contradiction in a nut-shell.
‘Canada for Canadians’, Hungary for Hungarians’ are not statement, according to ‘justasking’, that *exclude* people, they *include* people.
So what is the meaning with these slogans, if they are not meant to make a ‘Canadian’ or ‘Hungarian’ distinct from …?
Who are not ‘Hungarian’ enough to be included in this statement ‘Hungary for Hungarians’?
I feel that statement is trying to define that some ‘Hungarians’ are more ‘Hungarian’ than others, because that is in the context it is normally used.
You wrote yourself:
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I thought it a great slogan, saying, to me, that Hungary is for anybody that wants to be Hungarian. Nowhere does it say: “As long as your bloodlines are pure Hungarian (which mine are).
justasking at January 22, 2010 4:15 PM
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The problem is of course what it means to “wants to be Hungarian”, maybe you could exemplify?
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As I also pointed out earlier, that for you, in exactly this context it was important to point out that your “bloodlines are pure Hungarian”.
Why was that important in this discussion?
You are not enough ‘Hungarian’ otherwise?
@ Viking;
Now I am totally convinced, you are having a hard time understanding the English language. You keep stumbling over what the difference between integration and assimilation .
Because of this, and in the spirit of friendship, I know a couple of people that own an English Teaching school right in Pest. Would you like their number?
You keep stumbling over what the difference between integration and assimilation .
justasking at January 23, 2010 7:53 PM
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In what language would that be a full sentence?
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But it is OK if you have no argument that ‘Hungary For Hungarians!’ means that Hungary is open for immigrants and its own minorities that have lived here for centuries.
They just need to admit to be ‘wannabe Hungarians’ and those we have a site full of here.
@ Viking;
Where do you keep on coming up with this slogan “Hungary for Hungarians”?
You realise that “Magyarorszag a Magyaroke” means ” Hungary belongs to the Hungarians” That little “e” on the end of Magyarok changes the meaning to “belonging” . That would include Hungarian Romas, Hungarian Jews, Hungarian Swedes etc.
Now, if it the slogan were to read ” Magyarorszag CSAK A Magyaroknak” this is where you argument/interpretaton of exclusion would be valid. The inclusion of the word “only” (csak) and “oknak”, would mean to me only the people that are Hungarian and not Hungarian Canadian, Hungarian Australian etc.
As for a proper sentence structure, I find people will focus on that, grammar and spelling, when they know that the gig is up and it has been shown that they no longer has a pot to piss in.
You realise that “Magyarorszag a Magyaroke” means ” Hungary belongs to the Hungarians”
justasking at January 23, 2010 8:57 PM
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I understand what you are saying, even if I see ‘my’ translation in other places.
Maybe you are correct in the question of translating, I would not take that fight, then I would not feel secure in my arguments.
But, my point has always been *how this slogan is perceived* by the recipient.
Given the fact that I have seen similar movements in other countries using
‘”Country” for “Ethnic Majority”!’
slogans, I do have a real history understanding what they really mean with this type of slogan.
Your interpretation is the first of its type I have seen, so you are a bit unique for my last 35 years.
I think your interpretation is more suited in a Court Room where the legality of this slogan would be discussed.
And I believe it was you who started to complain about my language
It is OK now, I think we have come to an understanding that we look at the same problem from 2 different positions and we should probably agree on disagreeing.
@ Viking;
I compliment you on you innate ability, to drive me up and and over the bend!!!!!!!!
I will also admit, that if I do not like or am suspicious about someone or something, I will deliberately look for faults and double meaning even when there is none. I know this of myself and try to keep it at a minimum. Sometimes I succeed and sometimes I don’t; but, at least I try.
You keep stumbling over what the difference between integration and assimilation
justasking at January 23, 2010 7:53 PM
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Maybe I am not the only one who see a distinction there (Sophist disagrees):
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http://english.mti.hu/default.asp?menu=1&theme=2&cat=25&newsid=267187
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It is from MTI and the website rules do not allow copying so much, but it starts with:
“Hungary ombudsman fears minorities face assimilation
Budapest, January 24 (MTI) – The assimilation of national minorities in Hungary has accelerated over the past few years, which is an unwelcome phenomenon, minority ombudsman Erno Kallai told MTI on Sunday”
and continues later:
“He noted, however, that at the same time efforts aimed at helping the integration of the Roma were inefficient”
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So here we do have the same difference I also see between ‘assimilation’ and ‘integration’.
Maybe it is not a bad idea not to have English as your mother language?
@ Viking;
You lost me on your last post. What exactly do you not undersatnd? That people can reach a breaking point and will start to demand “assimilation” when the option of “integration” has been rejected by some minorities? And you basing this on an article from a man who has recieved 1000 complaints out of a country of what….10,000,000?
Thats a pretty low % of people being unhappy with their lot don’t you think? If anything, that says to me that a very small group of people are trying to make a mountian out of a mole hill. Getting people rattled enough to make them THINK, that there may be an issue when there really is not.
Maybe Erno should be focusing on creating a pamphlet to distribute amounst some minorities, on the beauty and harmony integration provides! Why don’t we start there?
How about, next time I’m in Hungary, I bring you a book. English for dummies, no it will be my gift to you.
That people can reach a breaking point and will start to demand “assimilation” when the option of “integration” has been rejected by some minorities?
justasking at January 24, 2010 8:43 PM
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You are missing the point, which must be rather hard to do, given the fact that you refuse to be ‘assimilated’ into the Canadian identity and instead just want to be ‘integrated’ as an Hungarian-Canadian or Canadian-Hungarian.
You seem to have no understanding that the minorities in Hungary does not want to be assimilated, even if the trend the last years have been a clear ‘Magyarisation’ of the local minorities.
As an Hungarian living abroad I think you ought to show some respect for other people living like yourself, with 2 national identities.
But if you just is going to play the ‘gypsycrime’-card you are just too boring.
@ Viking;
Integration: the act or process of integrating; the bringing of people of different racial and ethnic group into UNRESTRICTED and EQUAL association as in a society or an organization.
Assimilation: the cultural absorption of a minority group into the main cultural body.
Now, exactly what point am I missing?
I have integrated into Canadian society and because of this I enjoy UNRESTRICTED and EQUAL association. I’m not demanding MORE from my country becasue I happen to be a Hungarian-Canadian, I’m not asking my country to bend it’s culture and history to accommodate mine. Again, because of me integrating, I enjoy a peaceful existence amongst my fellow Canadians. I have no sympathy or time for people who will not integrate.
What you do not seem to understand is that some people like YOU expect and the host country to be ABSORBED into the minority and that is where you and I differ.
If a person asks me over for dinner, I don’t say to them “So, whats on the menu?” I say thank-you for inviting me. I than go over and eat what is given to me. If I do not like my friends food, I have 2 options. I either, try to find something on the menu that I can enjoy OR I don’t do there for dinner anymore. I don’t say to my friend, I’m coming over to your house and taking over your kitchen, because I hate your food and think that mine is better.
Now, why are you bring in “gypsiecrime” into a discussion on integration and assimilation? Is it because your bored?
What you do not seem to understand is that some people like YOU expect and the host country to be ABSORBED into the minority and that is where you and I differ
justasking at January 24, 2010 10:36 PM
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Could you give me an example when “some people like YOU expect and the host country to be ABSORBED into the minority”?
@ Viking;
I would like to say that you are very good at selling a case with passion even though it holds no water; but, I can’t because you don’t.
As for your example, not a problem. You can start by rereading the post, 3rd from the bottom, and when you finished that, read anything else that you have ever writen on this topic.
People get arrested for wanting to be Hungarian in
their own nation, where is the freedom???
Only in Fascist Israel Jews belongs to the
minorities who forced their way by cunning Zionist
Corruption, Jews who were a minority and stole it
from the Palestinians! Here is a classic example..
1914 Jews 60,000 Palestinians 731,000
total 791,000
Jews of total 7.585%
2005 Jews 5,275,700 Palestinian 5,139,100
total 10,414,800
Jews total population 50.656%
And then there was Trianon.
Hi Law,
You are very correct and very right to bring up the treatment of Palestinians by Nazi Israel. There are several reasons for it. One is that Hungarians should pay close attention to the racist, barbaric, genocidal treatment of Palestinians by Nazi Israel because Hungarians are getting close to losing their country to these heartless parasites who are never satisfied. The other is to show that it is not the Hungarians but Israel and Israel’s supporters are the real Nazis.
All the garbage about the Arrow Cross is Zionazi smokescreen designed to cover up the horrible crimes of Jewish Communists against HUngarians. They pretend that they never heard of Kuhn, Rakosi, Gero, Apro, Bauer and the rest of the Jewish monsters but we have and we are just as unwilling to forget as they are.
And then there was Trianon.
Law at January 24, 2010 11:26 PM
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Not even Jean-Marie Le Pen agrees with the Jobbik-Semites that Trianon was made by the Jews.
Le Pen thinks Trianon was juste, ‘OMG it was FRENCH!’, which he said when Jobbik invited him the first and last time some years ago.
In the past, Jews in France did not vote for Le Pen because they saw him as a racist and a xenophobe.
Now when Le Pen more forcefully emphasizes his well-known opinions: Muslims, or most Muslims, should go back to their countries of origin, the enemy of my enemy has suddenly become a friend.
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So, the Jews have even Le Pen on their side nowadays
And Jobbik is becoming more isolated internationally with its anti-Jewish rants