The two rounds of the parliamentary elections will be held on April 11 and 25, President László Sólyom announced on Friday, thereby kicking off the election campaign.
Socialist chairwoman Ildikó Lendvai welcomed the announcement, saying it is good news for Hungary that Sólyom had chosen the earliest possible dates, “as less time will be left for families to be set against each other and for a hate campaign”.
Fidesz spokesman Péter Szíjjártó said Hungarians have been waiting for this announcement since 2006, as they will be able to regain the right to make a democratic decision on the future. He said his party will begin its campaign on March 15.
Jobbik was also pleased that the earliest possible date had been selected, and hopes that the media will honour the law on equal opportunity in its election coverage, said party official Előd Novák.
In the first round voters will cast ballots for individual candidates and regional party lists. Those who win more than 50% of the vote will be elected to Parliament. In constituencies where no candidate gets 50% of the vote, the first will advance to the second round, where a relative majority will suffice for victory.
The 152 seats determined via regional party lists, and 58 from the national lists will be allocated based on votes for losing candidates in the first round.
Notices for the elections will be delivered by mail to voters homes during February 8-12. Individual candidates must collect 750 signatures from eligible voters on so-called nomination papers by March 19.
Candidates can apply for the names and addresses of eligible voters after March 22 from the Public Administration and Electronic Public Service Office or the local notary.
The National Election Office has Ft 7.1 billion for funding the parliamentary elections.
I’m not an expert on Hungarian election law, but:
“In constituencies where no candidate gets 50% of the vote, the first will advance to the second round, where a relative majority will suffice for victory.”
Shouldn’t this read “the first TWO will advance…”? If only the first one advances, getting 50% ought to be a formality!!
Did anybody else think it odd that Lendvai would say “as less time would be left for families to be set against each other”?
I have to admit, that I have never heard a Politician essentially admit to the deliberate intent on causing discourse in families, all under the premise of strategic campaign strategy.
I have never heard a Politician essentially admit to the deliberate intent on causing discourse in families, all under the premise of strategic campaign strategy.
justasking at January 25, 2010 3:26 PM
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If you had lived in Hungary you would have been aware of that since Fidesz’ loss in 2002 it has been a hardening debate-climate in Hungary. There have been some complaints from people that was not so used to having political debates at home or at work, that the tone had gone a bit harsh.
Your interpretation stands for yourself that it means MSZP is deliberate causing discourse in families. How would you do that actually?
The parties run their slogans and if all members in an extended family do not agree that Jobbik is the best choice, it is of course not Jobbik’s fault that the Jobbik-voters call their brother-in-law for a ‘jew lover’?
@justasking: Rub your two braincells together and hope that something sparks: “essentially admit to the deliberate intent on causing discourse in families” The premise was that the elections in and of themselves would cause discord, so this should be minimized by not prolonging the election period. Stick to bleating and cheer-leading Mark and the other cretins, you do that best – thinking only confuses you.
@Vándorló:
That remark was zero % nice – but 100 % corect – I laughed so much …
We’ll be back in Hungary in february, I’m wondering already how the political climate will be. I’m so glad that I can’t and don’t have to talk with my neighbours and acquaintances about politics
@ Vandor;
Yes, “the elections in and of themselves”, for party supporters. But, she did not say that, she said “AND”. “AND” is what makes all the difference and gives a glimps as to what this womans mind set is.
You know, for somebody that is supposedly from the UK, you sure do have shitty command of the English language. So just go back to chasing peoples locations via their IP addresses…you do that best.
But, she did not say that, she said “AND”. “AND” is what makes all the difference and gives a glimps as to what this womans mind set is
justasking at January 25, 2010 4:21 PM
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Did anybody else think it odd that Lendvai would say “as less time would be left for families to be set against each other”?
justasking at January 25, 2010 3:26 PM
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I am looking and looking but I cannot see any “AND” in justasking’s post from ‘January 25, 2010 3:26 PM’.
Any one else who can see it?
Is the one time Communist boss and censor Lendvai going to call off her internet commandos and stop lying to the Hungarian people?
stop lying to the Hungarian people?
Mark at January 25, 2010 4:53 PM
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The same day you Jobbik-Nazis do?
I do not like it when Jews parading as Swedes, Germans, Americans or Hungarians call Jobbik Nazi. Jobbik is not Nazi but those who take over other countries by force or trickery are Nazis. Let there be no mistake about it, whenever any of these calls Jobbik Nazi, I will respond by pointing out why Israel is Nazi, not Jobbik.
I did a search of Jobbik’s 88-page program to see if there is any evidence to these accusations. I got no hit for my search for “zsidó” (Jew), and only one hit for “Izrael” (Israel):
VI.4.4. Stabilitás és felújított kapcsolatok a Közel-Keleten
Az elmúlt húsz év:
Az ún. rendszerváltás óta feltétel nélküli Izrael-barátság jellemezte térségbeli irányvonalunkat.
A cionizmus támogatása egyúttal azt is jelentette, hogy felrúgtuk az elmúlt évtizedekben kialakult jó viszonyunkat az arab országokkal.
The first sentence refers to our unconditional friendship with Israel since the so-called system change.
The second sentence concludes that our support for Zionism has destroyed decades of good relations with the Arab countries.
These are facts and for Jobbik not to recognize them would be irresponsible but it is not a “Jewish” problem unless Jews want to make it a Jewish problem and of course they do because it is Israel’s stated goal to take over Hungary. Jobbik should resist Israeli and all other foreign hostile takeovers of Hungary. Anything else would be treason.
If Hungarians bother to turn up at the polls at all the only criteria that will persuade them to vote one way or the other is: anything as long as it is not that bunch of toadies that call themselves the MSZP.
Still waiting to hear your views on the Jobbik manifesto, Mark. Just give us an abridged version
so we can assess it?
I couldn’t care less about what Fidesz say because, although they will win, they will not do anything that will make any difference to halt the steady decline of our ever-deepening economic misfortunes.
MDF and Bokros? I’m still laughing at some of the brainless twaddle they/he have come up with.
Can we please stop this nonsense ?
Mark wrote”Jews parading as Swedes, Germans, Americans or Hungarians ”
I have never seen a better example for the paranoia here – or should I just call him “bonkers” ?
How do you expect to have a discussion with those cretins Mark (and Law) ?
@Bloater: “Just give us an abridged version”
You must mistake me for a Jobbik spokesperson. I am not. The Jobbik program is 88 pages long. I have been reading it for some time and like it.
I am not going to give an abridged version because I may not do adequate translation of some important items and these jackals would be too happy to chew on whatever mistakes I might make.
Can you read Hungarian? How are you going to take part in the election if you are not?
Jobbik is not Nazi but those who take over other countries by force or trickery are Nazis
Mark at January 25, 2010 5:00 PM
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So then we can agree upon Hitler’s Germany was ‘Nazi’ by occupying Hungary in October 1944.
And the people who worked with the Nazis were collaborators and traitors.
Not ‘Nationalists’, ‘Patriots’ and ‘Heroes’ as Jobbik wants us to believe and therefore wants people to celebrate the ‘Day Of Honour’ on Saturday February 2010:
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http://dayofhonour.hu/
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Just check for yourself, the real face of Jobbik, as Mark and Law claims, supported by Ricsi.
Their own words are the best proof that they are Nazi:
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“In our Nation’s duty I say many thanks to the brilliant leader of the German folk:
to Adolf Hitler,as a really loyal Comrade,
who is of great help to our Nation,in Its fate deciding days.
This act of Him is another historical proof of it,that Adolf Hitler,the leader of the Germans frames everytime the welfare,the safety and the harmony of life for every single folk of the nationalist and socialist European community.By
His divine dispensation,as the tireless leader of the nationalist and socialist European community,every time and by all means can reckon with that,that our Nation will accomplish Its duty honestly and loyally”
Budapest, the 15th of October 1944
Ferenc Szálasi
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Go and say Hello! to Mark, Law and Ricsi on Saturday February, 13, as the ‘Good Patriotic Hungarians’ they are, they will be there celebrating Hungary’s own Quisling.
Viking: “So then we can agree upon Hitler’s Germany was ‘Nazi’ by occupying Hungary in October 1944.”
Yes, we can. Can we agree that Israel is also Nazi?
The rest of tour post is garbage. After you answer my question and I tell you why the rest of your post is garbage.
Can we agree that Israel is also Nazi?
Mark at January 25, 2010 5:38 PM
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Zionism like all ‘Nationalist’ ideologies easily spills over in Fascism.
Nazism was a specific form of Fascism that had from the beginning a goal of exterminating Jews and that is why the Jewish State of Israel never can be Nazi.
Nazism is not the question of technique of killing people, it was specific in ideology.
Neo-Nazi are those who live in the past and glorify Adolf Hitler and Nazi-Germany and their values.
Zionist can be Fascists, I have personally met several.
Zionists do not need to be Fascists, but it is their problem to keep their Fascists out.
That Israel is breaking every law in the book, plus some more is obvious, but hardly an Hungarian issue. If the Swedish Pension Model is to be used in the future here in Hungary is an Hungarian issue, but on that Jobbik is quit, because you guys have not a fucking clue
How can you deny that Israel is Nazi when Israel behaving exactly as the German Nazis did?
How do you dare smear Jobbik Nazi when there is nothing in what Jobbik does or advocates that resemble the German Nazis?
Nazi: ideology stressed that racial purity of German people and prosecuted those deemed inferior. So, we all agree that Jews were not only the ones targeted; but, Roma, Homosexuals etc.
So technically, everybody that was targeted, should have receievd a “State”…correct? If that is the standard that was set for compensation ?
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Nazi: is a God in Sumerian Mythology
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Nazi: is also a degragatory term for a person who is frantically dictated to or seeks to control.
Hell, I could argue that you were a Nazi Viking, using the above definition.
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Nazism: a form of Socialism, featuring racism and expansionism and obedience to a strong leader.
Really, if this definition were to be used, Israel could quite rightly be considered a Nazi State from the point of view of the Palestinians, or anybody else for that matter.
@ Wolfi;
Before I forget, just a little advise. It’s not very attractive being “that” in touch with your feminine side. Your going to have to lets the “boys” drop sometime.
@justwhining:
Please read your last statement again and translate it into some kind of English for me (and others) to understand …
@ Wolfi;
Oh, you mean that zero % nice and 100% correct remark that I laughed so much while writing it?
Nah, ask you buddy Vandor to translate it for you.
Viking@Dipshit,we are not talikng about Feb 13, but March celebration,get real you dumb swede and talk to your intelligent wife a little more.
See how full of hate Ricsi is? Has to call everyone a “dipshit” and then tries to pull a backhanded compliment on the wife thinking that redeems him.
Ricsi, I am fairly sure you could not sustain a real friendship in person. Given my background in psychology, I feel prety certain of that. Must not be very fun, but that’s the ornate medieval cross you have to bear, I guess huh?
You might as well enjoy the company here, they are probably the best friends you have!
Bystander@also comes crawling out of the shit pit-if only you knew
Fear not for me for I know exactly where I am going but I tolerate no fools.
No reply necessary,end of transmission……
Viking@Dipshit,we are not talikng about Feb 13, but March celebration,get real you dumb swede and talk to your intelligent wife a little more
Ricsi at January 25, 2010 10:22 PM
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Mark is speaking about the February 13th celebration of the ‘Day of Honour’ in Hungary as a good example on a ‘Hungarian Patriotic Event’.
Good to know that you are going to link up for the March 15th celebrations.
Will Mark represent the Illinois Nazis?
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Every time I think ‘Illinois Nazi’ I think of the film ‘Blues Brothers’ and Bob’s Country Bunker.
Bob had a good wife also, she knew everything about music, because their place had it all;
- “Both Country and Western!”
Jobbik has both “Fascism and Nazism” inside their party. Given all different foreigners inside Jobbik, from the US, the UK and Australia, and their big love for Foreign Cultures, like The German, Italian and Japanese Cultures between 1935-45, we could probably regard Jobbik as ‘multi-ethnic and multi-cultural universe” in Hungary.
What is has to do with the ‘Hungarian Nation’ is though a mystery.
Viking: “Will Mark represent the Illinois Nazis?”
I have no use for Nazis, not for the long gone German Nazis or for your ilk, the Jewish Nazis.
Just say no to Nazis, Germans or Jews, no difference.
Facism/Nazism/Communism are three varieties of the same disease. They have all been tried in recent times and failed miserably. None more so than the ideological unsound MSZP government.
What plans do Fidesz have or, for that matter, Jobbik to turn around a desperate situation growing
worse by the day here in Hungary?
The people are no longer interested in nazi atrocities, jews, holocaust denial, mossad,WW1,WW11,
Trianon, because they have nothing to eat and no money to pay their bills.
Address these issues with firm plans to rid this country of corruption and, just maybe you will
persuade the people to vote for you. Irrespective of the party you represent.
@ Mark. How many floating voters are going to read the 88-page Jobbik manifesto do you think?
I live and work in Hungary and it is of great interest to me what my friends, neighbours, and business clients think about the overall situation in Hungary at the moment.
You live in America I belive? How can you vote from there?
People mistake me for a Jobbik supporter just for asking about its manifesto.
If Jobbik are just another neo-nazi outfit fuelled by hatred and intolerance and guided by
the ravings and rantings of Adolph Hitler they have no future. If Jobbik can offer reasonable/ better alternatives to what we have at the moment – let’s hear about it?
I can read the document to which you refer and,
I can read between the lines as to what is being
said there, and here!
PS I appreciate you are not the spokesperson for Jobbik but at least you can tell us why you support them?
@Igaz:
I can’t read the Jobbik program, but for me it is enough to look at their supporting site:
http://www.hungarianambiance.com/
That almost makes me puke!
@Igaz
You are using too many names to draw conclusions and whereabouts of other posters. When you post as “A”, I respond to “A” and when you respond to “B”, I respond to “B”. I do not care if you use different names as long as you do not do it with malicious intent as the Zionazis who do a lot of forging and sliming here. I look at your post, evaluate it and respond.
Under ideal conditions, we would print out Jobbik program, get together for a glass of beer and discuss it as friends. The other option is to take a look at the Index (Tartalom) on pages 2-3 and look at some of the items that may appeal to you or to me. I especially like Jobbik’s economic and public safety proposals and I also like many other items.
III.1.7. A hazai vállalkozások támogatása 11
III.2.2. A csatlakozási szerződés módosítása 20
VI.1.1. A politikusbűnözés felszámolása 64
VI.1.2. Erős és megbízható rendőrség létrehozása 64
VI.1.3. A csendőrség felállítása 66
VI.1.4. A korrupció felszámolása 66
VI.1.5. A zéró tolerancia érvényesítése a jogalkotásban és jogalkalmazásban 66
These items alone are sufficient for me to support Jobbik. If you would like to discuss any of these, I would be agreeable as long as you understand that I am only expressing my own opinions and do not represent Jobbik. Which item would you like to start with?
I will start with the puking now, if you were looking for someone to go first.
Also, man *alive* are you folks paranoid!
“I do not care if you use different names as long as you do not do it with malicious intent as the Zionazis who do a lot of forging and sliming here”
Is there REALLY an epidemic of “forging and sliming”? You’re right there are SO Many Zionazis on this site, just forging and sliming all over the place! Do you hear voices too?
You protest too much…
Oh REALLY now, Mark.
Take a look around this site, count the number of deranged posts you’ve left, and tell me *who* is doing the “protesting too much”.
Bystander, wanting Hungary to be free and independent is deranged only to those who have hostile intentions against Hungary.
You have your people such as Viking, wolfie and some others who turn every discussion into a mud-throwing contest. You crate the garbage that you blame others for it.
Those forgeries backfired on you “people” only because of my quick response to Laszlo assuring him that I did not write the posts that attacked him. It was a very disgusting thing to do. Do you feel ashamed at all or you feel that was the right thing to do?
@ Mark. I respect you for holding firm to what you believe in.
I have had many battles on this site with different people about various issues.
I can’t take any individual seriously that does not directly address the problems confronting Hungary today.
I expect any supporter of a political party to be able to summarize what that party can/will do to improve the lot of the average voter.
I detest hypocrisy and deceit and people whose only goal is to promote/massage their own ego.
I do use different names (personal reason) to post but by message and sentiments always remain the same.
F.Laszlo is the only man I respect. He has my full backing.
Thank you for your courteous and detailed response.
@Sandor
I would take a lot more pleasure in discussing why I prefer Jobbik but it is almost impossible with all the slime of those who do not want a reasoned debate. Perhaps I could do what Laszlo does and not responds to the provocations and stays on course. I share your respect for Laszlo but I am afraid that I do not have Laszlo’s temperament.
My offer is still open, you select one of the items I listed and if you do not read Hungarian, I will try to translate it for you and we can discuss it.
Did anybody else think it odd that Lendvai would say “as less time would be left for families to be set against each other”?
justasking at January 25, 2010 3:26 PM
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Well an example on that is this article (in Hungarian only) on 2 brothers fighting it in Komárom-Esztergom’s constituency 2, Tata for the parliamentary elections
Michl József, the city’s Fidesz Mayor and his brother Michl Miklós as a Jobbik-rep
The Fidesz-brother calls the Jobbik-brother for a bit more violent in his attitude and way of working
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http://index.hu/belfold/2010/valasztas/jobbikos_testver_fideszes_testver_ellen_tatan/
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I wonder where the Fidesz-brother got that reflection from…
Check out the pictures on both brothers, they are rather telling which one is which