Pest Central District Court fined activist György Budaházy and another defendant Ft 500,000 plus Ft 300,000 costs on Tuesday for vandalising the Soviet memorial on Szabadság tér in October 2006.
Budaházy and his defence lawyer immediately lodged an appeal, while the other convicted man and his lawyer asked for three days to consider the verdict. Spectators shouted “murderers”, “Zionism”, “hatred of Hungarians” and “double standards”. Police detained a man for disorderly conduct.
Budaházy was taken back to prison after the verdict, as he is also suspected of terrorism, abuse of explosives, preparing a murder and physical assault.
Jobbik MEP Krisztina Morvai announced that she will run as an independent MP.
Far-right website kuruc.info has launched a campaign in favour of Budaházy who it described as “languishing in jail” and accused Jobbik of “leaving a fellow activist in the lurch” by not including him as one of its 176 candidates for MP.
Budaházy wrote in an open letter to his supporters that he will run as an MP, although he “despises it” and considers “partocracy” a “pointless charade”.
Jobbik MEP Krisztina Morvai announced that she will run as an independent MP
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Is there not an ‘s’ to much there?
Should not ‘she’ be ‘he’, meaning that Budaházy will run as an independent MP?
@Viking: I liked one of the headlines yesterday that ran with ‘Krisztina’s got bigger balls than Gábor’ in her support for Budaházy against Vona’s equivocations. Get it’s time to see who is most desperate for attention. Though I think Krisztina will always win this one.
Anyway, is she not already an independent MEP in the EU?
All 3 Jobbik-MEPs belong to the Independent ‘group’ in the European Parliament (EP), but that does not mean she is an Independent, then she became a MEP on a Jobbik-ticket
The Independent ‘group’ in EP is not an official EP Party Group, then you must be at least 25 MEPs from 8 different countries to form one. Forming such a Party Group gives you better access to different committees and money to maintain a Party Group Organisation
The Independents in Jobbik’s case in more the case of left overs
Not enough other MEPs wanted to play with them in their sand-box
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So I missed that – Is Morvai saying she is breaking with Jobbik if Jobbik is not including Budaházy on the Jobbik National list?
That is what can be concluded from the above article, but what I thought was just a simple spelling error
@Viking: I didn’t read that and HATC have a habit of inferring more than they read, so not sure what source they used for that, or if it was a mistranslation or the article was published before it was ready.
The only stuff I read was that basically Morvai is the only one who will support Budaházy, Vona apparently won’t even stand in the same room as Budaházy’s wife: ‘Krisztina Morvai is the one person who supports Budaházy’s claim in principle to the party list, what’s more she is personally inclined to campaign alongside him’ (“Morvai Krisztina az egyetlen, aki támogatja Budaházy pártlistára tételét, sőt, személyesen is hajlandó kampányolni mellette”) source: http://bit.ly/9sivkW
Plenty of other similar stories over the last few days, but not talking of a split. Maybe there was something this morning, I haven’t found it.
Checking Kuruc they are really giving Vona and his spastic guy as ‘Press Officer’ Elöd Novak a hard time, calling at least Novak a liar
At least Kuruc got that right
The problem with Morvai is probably that she talks first, then checks with her ‘peers’
Makes for good entertainment in the future though, especially when compared with Vona, who always looks like he has a broom-stick up his lower bodily opening
No, I always said Jobbik will have a problem with Morvai, she is a hothead that any policy-advisor hates
The reason for Budaházy to join the Parliament would be to do a Bobby Sands:
Robert Gerard Sands (9 March 1954 – 5 May 1981), was an Irish volunteer for the Provisional Irish Republican Army and member of the United Kingdom Parliament who died on hunger strike while in HM Prison Maze
Bobby was the leader of the 1981 hunger strike, in which Irish republican prisoners protested against the removal of Special Category Status. During his strike he was elected as a member of the United Kingdom Parliament as an Anti H-Block/Armagh Political Prisoner candidate
Bobby’s death resulted in a new surge of IRA recruitment and activity
The international media coverage brought attention to the hunger strikers, and the Republican movement in general, attracting both praise and criticism
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Maybe not the dying part, but the rest is most likely the plan
The stance by Vona reveals that Jobbik is in the race not for principles, but for the power
Telling
More questions:
Re: “Jobbik MEP Krisztina Morvai announced that she will run as an independent MP.”
If KM runs as an Independent, does it not mean that she is no longer part of JOBBIK?
Does Vona’s attitude towards Budahazy not mean that he wants to distance himself and his party from a convicted criminal?
@Olga. The answer is quite simply “yes” to your last question.
Far right organizations are notorious for in-fighting and power struggles. Add to this, Morvai, who is a sandwich short of a picnic, and we can expect to be entertained for sometime to come.
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Don’t spoil the party, Viking!
@Viking: I can’t see Budaházy as a Bobby Sands myself, for the simple reason all his statements and actions put him in the simple political anarchist category. His attempted bomb plots etc… are classic propagande par le fait. Also Bobby’s fight was specifically for something, that of countering the illegal internment policy of the UK and having his and other people’s status as political prisoners reinstated. If Budaházy has any coherent policies or any political agenda he is keeping it well hidden.
If Budaházy has any coherent policies or any political agenda he is keeping it well hidden.
Vándorló at February 3, 2010 3:26 PM
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HVIM has as long as I can find pictures on them on the Internet had a great affection for IRA
I cannot find those pictures any more but there was a few photos on some one dressed up as an IRA-fighter carrying the Irish flag in one of the HVIM-demos maybe 10 years ago
As I understand that affection goes back to that the Irish used the Hungarian uprising 1848-49 as ‘role-model’ for their struggle and some nice things have been written between Hungarians and Irish intellectuals around the 1900 (give or take 20 years or so)
I can try to find some old links to that if some one is interested
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Personally I would more affiliate Budahazy to the ‘ideology’ of Baader-Meinhof than IRA
The latter enjoyed broad public support, the first not
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In one sense it was bad that the Magyar Garda was banned, because this Spring, in the current situation, it would be interesting to see where it had gone, with or against Budahazy
Disallowing Magyar Garda just strengthen Vona’s grip over them
Give them enough rope…
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Anyway too many votes on the ‘Real Hungarian Patriot’ Budahazy will take votes from Jobbik, so there is a tricky game Vona is playing at the moment. At the moment it looks like a lose-lose situation for him regarding this question
@ Idegen
Thanks – so what are the chances for Vona and KM “getting a divorce”? – aside from her education and past glories as a Human Rights Advocate (hard to believe) she does not seem to be a huge asset to the party. More like a loose cannon.
Considering her male anatomy speech and her defending a convicted criminal, even if you sleep with the JOBBIK agenda under your pillow, would you not question this woman’s judgment?
I cannot believe that I am about to write anything in the defense of an ultra-right wing party but regarding your comment: “Far right organizations are notorious for in-fighting and power struggles. ”
I think what you describe is not really limited to
to ultra-right wing parties. More like “welcome to politics”
It is not the first time that the ultra liberal media was trying to conjure up tales of discord within Jobbik’s ranks. Budaházy is respected for his courage but it would go against Jobbik’s proposal to stop extending immunity to representatives if Jobbik ran Budaházy with the explicit purpose of giving him immunity.
It is strange that our host Erik does not miss an opportunity to post just about anything that may indicate discord within Jobbik while completely ignores the ugliest infighting that goes on within MSZP, SZDSZ and MDF. Almost daily, some Communist accuses another Communist of crimes and entire chapters of MDF are leaving over their disgust with the MDF-SZDSZ marriage. The Communist Hagyo is in trouble because his Communist buddies are dumping on him in hopes of getting preferential treatment for their crimes. It would be fair and balanced to see something about those.
Never read that before: “ultra liberal media” liber in Latin means free, so ultra-free ?
Strange that “free” is a swearword for those jobo loonies like murkybrain …
Budaházy is respected for his courage but it would go against Jobbik’s proposal to stop extending immunity to representatives if Jobbik ran Budaházy with the explicit purpose of giving him immunity
Mark at February 3, 2010 6:33 PM
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He would get his immunity lifted asap then Fidesz could not be seen as protecting some one accused as being a terrorist
Jobbik is saving Fidesz’ ass here, by probably making it impossible for Budahazy to be elected to the Parliament, when not on a Jobbik-supported list
The difference in opinion inside the Hungarian extreme right, which is definitely not only Jobbik can be seen at:
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http://kuruc.info/r/6/54621/
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To that article is linked an open letter from Elöd Novak, one of Jobbik’s vice-presidents, who claims to be Budahazy’s best friend for many years and have some pictures to show that, even from 2002
And some one still believes that Jobbik has nothing to do with the open anti-Jewish web-site kuruc.info?
kuruc.info would probably be illegal in any EU member state and there is nothing strange that it is hosted on the same servers that hosts many open pro-nazi sites world-wide
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Kuruc is one of Jobbik’s partners and they see it sometimes (like today) as a bit troublesome friend, but still a friend
The true Jobbik
Kuruc is one of Jobbik’s partners and they see it sometimes (like today) as a bit troublesome friend, but still a friend
The true Jobbik
Viking at February 3, 2010 7:54 PM
How many times do I have to tell you, that you making stuff up in your imagination doesn’t make them true?
How many times do I have to tell you, that you making stuff up in your imagination doesn’t make them true?
bobscountrybunker at February 3, 2010 8:04 PM
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And why do a web-site called egerjobbik dot hu mirror the discussion on kuruc dot info then?
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http://www.egerjobbik.hu/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=14234:vitaindito-a-jobbik-cserbenhagyni-latszik-budahazyt-morvai-krisztina-es-lapunk-nem–a-hazafi-bejelentese&catid=1:friss-hirek&Itemid=18
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You seem to have some problem to keep order in your stable, or is it a pigsty?
@Viking
“Personally I would more affiliate Budahazy to the ‘ideology’ of Baader-Meinhof than IRA
The latter enjoyed broad public support, the first not…”
The struggle for equality by the catholics in N: Ireland was a just one. Blowing up children
by the IRA et al in the UK was similar to the current Al Qaeda tactics. Indiscriminate bombing.
I’m sure you would say that Al Qaeda enjoyed “broad public support” among the Palestinians?
There was nothing romantic about the IRA’s role in N. Ireland.
Petőfi Sandor’s efforts might be a different proposition altogether.
There was nothing romantic about the IRA’s role in N. Ireland.
Petőfi Sandor’s efforts might be a different proposition altogether.
QC at February 3, 2010 8:20 PM
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I was not really writing about IRA, just presenting HVIM’s affection for all Irish and if you can read Hungarian just pop-over to kuruc and read how they see the Irish struggle in the article:
“What can we show the Irish today?”
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http://kuruc.info/r/7/53269
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And as I wrote, I see Budahazy more similar to Baader-Meinhof
One reason is that Budahazy will never get broad public support, which is always important on the local stage
Your assumption that Al-Quida is popular among Palestinians is probably correct, it does not make Al-Quida correct for me though
Actually Eger Jobbik’s website is a gold mine if you want to find out what Jobbik really thinks
No limits here as on the more Vona-controlled sites
Take the most read article according to their own listing:
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http://www.egerjobbik.hu/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10855:bemutatjuk-a-salgotarjani-gyilkos-ciganyt-fekete-laszlo-a-fidesz-lungo-dromjanak-jeloeltje-volt&catid=40:kekhirek&Itemid=62
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You do not need to understand Hungarian to get the thinking here:
“Az eset kapcsán is feltesszük a kérdést: érdemes-e olyan pártra (a Zsideszre) szavazni, amely (helyi szinten is! Nem csupán országosan: Balogh Artúr, Schmidt Mária, Hegedűs Zsuzsanna, Pokorni Zoltán stb. – konkrét hivatkozások ITT) ilyen „emberekkel” nyomul? Még egyszer elmondjuk: ha a pártban vannak, lesznek is normális emberek értelmes, „bekeményítős” reform-elképzelsésekkel, azokat az ilyenek könyörtelenül kigolyózzák, kicsinálják. Ugye, emlékszünk az edelényi Molnár Oszkár példájára? Ettől a párttól egyszerűen semmi jó nem várható cigányfronton. Ugyanakkora hazaárulás rájuk szavazni, mint kivétel nélkül az összes többi parlamenti pártra.
Kuruc.info – A.S. – egerjobbik.hu”
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The word is “Zsideszre” that is right-wing talk for ‘Zsido Fidesz’, ‘Jewish Fidesz’
After that you find a list of known Fidesz officials:
“Balogh Artúr, Schmidt Mária, Hegedűs Zsuzsanna, Pokorni Zoltán”
and a link to a page on kuruc where these ‘Zsidesz’-people are exposed
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This is on the *official* website of Jobbik in Eger
It would be nice and may give some pretense of impartiality if we saw some items about some of the hundreds of Communist MSP and SZDSZ politicians who are arrested or are under investigation for corruption. The latest was Erno Mesterhazy and it was big news.
How about it, Erik?
hundreds of Communist MSP and SZDSZ politicians who are arrested or are under investigation for corruption. The latest was Erno Mesterhazy
Mark at February 7, 2010 5:42 PM
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In what sense is/was Ernö Mesterhazy an elected politician?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernö_Mesterhazy
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“Ernö Mesterhazy has been working not only as a counsellor to Demszky Gabor but also he had an authorization, a contract to represent Gabor Demszky in financial matters of Budapest including Metro building and BKV (Budapest’s public transport company). Although he’s been doing this for several years his contract was signed only in summer 2009″
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Ernö has never been an elected politician, but he seems to be the typical ‘fixer’
The shadow falls heavy on Demszky Gabor for this and Ernö being put in custody is part of the investigation of the business of BKV that has been ongoing since last August
In Hungary suspected can be put in custody as part of gathering more information and so far it has only been existing or former employees of BKV that have been implicated in any wrongdoings
The arrest of Ernö could mean that the investigation will jump over to the political sphere, then he has a leg in both
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Of course Mark will call every employee and fixer involved a “Communist MSP and SZDSZ politicians”, but that is just how is ‘brain’ works
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The BKV-problems just shows that it is better to privatize BKV and do not let politicians be involved in running any serious businesses
@Mark
This is not entirely Erik’s fault. Politics.hu tends to act as a selective amalgamation of news stories that come out of wire services from Hungary already in English. Chiefly MTI and Hungary Around the Clock.
You must ask yourself why the massive corruption scandals just never seem to make the jump from being national stories to achieveing international/translated syndication in the first place.
Though it’s pretty easy to guess the several reasons why this is so.
why the massive corruption scandals just never seem to make the jump from being national stories to achieveing international/translated syndication in the first place.
Though it’s pretty easy to guess the several reasons why this is so.
bobscountrybunker at February 7, 2010 6:41 PM
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And one would be that it is nothing new and special in that employees in public and private businesses cheat on their owners and line their pockets, like in the BKV-case
The politicians in charge for the public owned companies are as responsible as any owners to a company are, in not putting better checks and balances in place to find these occurrences
Then it is better to have owners that feel personal responsibility (their own pockets) than politicians, who have no problems spending other people’s money (tax), the logical conclusion of corruption scandals in publicly owned companies must be to limit them to a minimum
There is no need for a City to employ bus-drivers and by buses and maintain them, but there is a need to see to that the City has a good, effective and cheap public transport system
Those are 2 different things, let the people who can buy good buses cheap do it, for their own money, not tax-money
License out Public Transports, if I never used Sweden as a Good Example(tm) check Greater Stockholm Public Transport System, totally licensed out
The politicians decide prices and routing, the operators perform to an pre-agreed price and performance level
@Bob
I suppose you are right. The ultra-liberal media is reluctant to expose it own.
You still do not explain why people in New York and London and Bucharest should be interested in reading about corruption and other criminal and bad behaviour in Budapest, when they have enough of that at home?
What is the interest of it – prove that US, British and Romanian politicians and bureaucrats are as bad as the Hungarians?
Wow, that must be a real scope
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Is it not just you guys doing your Mouse-tactic again?
Instead of walking among Men, you are just trying the old fascist thing to blame someone else, just like small mice
In the end of the day, people will ask themselves:
* Who is a Man, who is a Mouse
hundreds of Communist MSP and SZDSZ politicians who are arrested or are under investigation for corruption
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The latest was Erno Mesterhazy and it was big news
Mark at February 7, 2010 5:42 PM
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http://www.realdeal.hu/20100208/budapest-mayor-demszkys-senior-adviser-in-custody
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I still do not see any “hundreds of Communist MSP and SZDSZ politicians”, just former employees and ‘advisers’