Socialist Party prime ministerial candidate Attila Mesterházy has asked Fidesz chairman Viktor Orbán to be sincere when he delivers his “state of the nation” address on Friday.
Mesterházy said in a message posted on the website YouTube that Orbán should answer the following questions: “will he allow the public-finance deficit to rise to 7% of GDP in this year’s budget; would he centralise the public media and punish commercial television stations; does he want to rewrite the Constitution; would he extend presidential powers and would he postpone the autumn local elections?
“Will co-operation with Jobbik continue in local authorities if Jobbik wins parliamentary seats, can he give a sincere opinion on extremists and fascists, and what does he think of Jobbik as a party?”
Mesterházy also asked what Fidesz will do if it is voted into power, “as its platform has been kept as secret as a nuclear secret.”
Mesterhazy seems to be historically challenged. His own ex-PM/party chief Gyurcsany specifically avoided the finance topic last election, deliberately pushing it off the agenda and claiming that Orban was fear mongering. Are all the electorate as forgetful as Mesterhazy?
Are all the electorate as forgetful as Mesterhazy?
Rolrox at February 4, 2010 3:00 PM
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Or have the Electorate learnt the lesson from last time that the country’s finances are important in Election times and want to have answers?
Attila Senkiházy must be delusional to speak about sincerity when he represents the corrupt Communist politburo incapable of anything other than lies and hate.
The way things are going, there may not be any Communist MSZP/SZDSZ politicians left who are not in prison or charged with or investigated for stealing from the public. Parties with this many criminals should be banned and not rewarded by responses from the heads of other parties.
How can the candidate of Communist politburo talk about extremists when they, the party of murderers and sadistic torturers. Can anything be extremist compared to these?
@ Viking
If you were running Orban’s campaign, would you advice him to spell out his economic strategy and answer every question posed my Mesterhazy?
Or would you tell him to be vague, the polls are looking good, there is no point in taking a chance by pissing people off with giving too much specific information that serves no purpose and may come back to haunt him?
BTW, there is a website giving an A-Z list of political tactics – it’s kind of fun to read and figure out your own party’s strategy – doesn’t matter what country you live in.
http://www.politicalstrategy.org/tactics.htm
Mesterházy’s question/address has received so many negative comments it has been withdrawn: http://www.vg.hu/kozelet/politika/bokros-lajos-baratai-is-kerdezik-orban-viktort-305006
@Olga. Hungarian political tactics are simple: promise everything and deliver nothing.
One question the Hungarian electorate have to ask is: how did we get a damp squibb of a dunderhead
leading this country namely, Gyurscany Ferenc and, perhaps, pose another: do we await the second clown to be crowned in April, Coco Orban Viktor.
@Varni: “Hungarian political tactics are simple: promise everything and deliver nothing.”
This is true for all politicians but the shameless, unbridled, destructive thievery of Communist MSZP/SZDSZ politicians should slow down with the Fidesz government. Nobody but nobody steals and lies as shamelessly as the Lendvai does. Fidesz will not be able to keep its promises because the Communists stripped the country of its resources and took on a crushing debt. Without reviewing the debt and deciding what deserves repaying and what does not, Fidesz will have no opportunity to do anything. Another thing is making the criminals pay for their thievery and mismanagement of Hungary’s resources.
Fidesz made some promises but I am skeptical about their courage to do the right thing. That is why Fidesz needs Jobbik to remind them of their obligations and duties to the Hungarian people.
If you were running Orban’s campaign, would you advice him to spell out his economic strategy and answer every question posed my Mesterhazy?
olga at February 4, 2010 5:03 PM
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Well not being a politician, I think you should always tell the bad that comes with the good
I would never be a good advisor
I will probably never be member of a political party either, then I would never join the party that would accept people like myself
Saying that, I still think we all have a responsibility to form our future and elections are a part of that
Fidesz will not be able to keep its promises because the Communists stripped the country of its resources and took on a crushing debt
Mark at February 4, 2010 7:20 PM
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So why not tell the people not to vote for ‘Szidesz’ then?
Why give this illusion that their will be some cooperation between ‘Szidesz’ and Jobbik, when you already know that ‘Szidesz’ must follow the rules and not do so much different from the current Government?
Is Jobbik not cheating the voters by not telling the voters what you in Jobbik already know?
That there is no difference in voting for ‘Szidesz’ or MSZP, they are restricted by the same rules, which Jobbik obviously is not
So the Bible says …
And Lawlless says: Jesus was not a Jew …
And I say: WTF!
Sorry – wrong thread, but WTF – those jobos get on my nerves …
@ Varni
Regarding :”One question the Hungarian electorate have to ask is: how did we get a damp squibb of a dunderhead leading this country namely, Gyurscany Ferenc and, perhaps, pose another: do we await the second clown to be crowned in April, Coco Orban Viktor.”
You do paint a rosy picture but then again it’s more or less a summary of what I gathered from reading this website for the past few month.
So after the electorate asks those question what are they to do? It seems like they made up their minds according to the polls. Moreover, if 51 % of the people are going to vote, then the majority of Hungarians are speaking their minds (ok, so it’s a small majority but a majority it is)
I am trying very hard to picture myself as a person who never left Hungary, loves her country, cares about the future and firmly believes that people in a Democratic country MUST exercise their voting rights.
My guess is that I would go with the 2/3rd majority and vote for Orban based on ” Better the Devil you know than the Devil you don’t” Pathetic reason but I don’t think I would be alone with that attitude.
My second option (if I were about to throw up as I am putting the X next to Orban’s name is to vote for the Green party – it would be a wasted vote as far as my party having a chance to win, but I would count in the total number of voters who cared enough to cast a vote.
“So why not tell the people not to vote for ‘Szidesz’ then?”
I would never tell anyone not to vote for Fidesz because with all their shortcomings, they are still much, much better than the Communist MSZP and SZDSZ. Orban may not have the backbone and courage to be a true Hungarian leader but the Communist Lendvai politburo is anti-Hungarian and criminal.
What I would tell people who want a strong pro-Hungarian government is that if they do not trust Fidesz they should vote for Jobbik for two reasons. One reason is that Jobbik’s program is the right program for a free and independent Hungary and for a better future for Hungarians. The other reason is that a strong Jobbik presence would keep Fidesz on the right track.
One of the problems with some of my Hungarians brothers and sisters is that we are prone to judge our compatriots a lot harsher than they judge our enemies. I am not one of those. Fidesz is not perfect and I would not vote for them but I consider them much better than the MSZP/SZDSZ/MDF mafia. I did not use the descriptor “mafia” to smear them but because they are acting as one large criminal organization bent on robbing Hungarians of everything they, their children and grandchildren have and will have.
I would be elated if Jobbik could win in 2010 and honored to call Gábor Vona Hungary’s PM but I will settle for Fidesz and PM Orban for the time being as long as the Communist mafia is kicked out of Hungarian politics.
I would never tell anyone not to vote for Fidesz because with all their shortcomings, they are still much, much better than the Communist MSZP and SZDSZ
Mark at February 5, 2010 8:16 AM
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Fidesz had already 4 years in Government (1998-2002) to prove themselves different
I have, in difference from Mark, lived in Hungary since 1993, so what was the difference during these 4 Fidesz-years compared to the years before and after?
As I lived here I did not notice any specific difference in general, so what is the difference to come in the next 4 years?
The small difference I noticed, which were all related to my running small businesses in the catering industry in Budapest at that time, was a lot of new and for me total stupid regulations, like (believe it or not), not only that every wine bottle got an unique serial number (and how much did that not cost the Hungarian industry?), any bar/restaurant/etc, could only have *one* (1) bottle open for the same type at the same time
This had to do that the VAM (Customs office) could come swarming in at any time and checking what was sold an what had been bought. To be sure about the content the bottles all needed to be sealed and only one bottle could be open
This was a real killer for the places that received bus-loads of guests and inviting them to a Welcome-drink, they had to break the law to supply their guest with filled champagne-glasses
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For me that was the Orban-years 98-02, endless new rules made up by clueless officials
I will settle for Fidesz and PM Orban for the time being as long as the Communist mafia is kicked out of Hungarian politics.
Mark at February 5, 2010 8:16 AM
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Yeas, but exactly that happened in 1998 and still Orban was replaced by a “Communist” in 2002, so what will be different in 2014?
These people Mark call the “Communist mafia” will just not disappear April 12, 2010, so *how* will they be stopped from doing the same in 2014, as they did in 2002?
Ho ho ho ho ho!!
Seems now it is not only Fidesz who are in the Jobbik policy stealing game!
Socialist says ban on land sales to foreigners should continue
Can we expect resident Scando-nutter Viking to now condemn Mesterházy for his despicable, reactionary, populism? Hmmm?…
@Bobs… : Well I’m not expecting Bokros to be passing off Jobbik policies or a pig in a poke for that matter. Orbán’s ‘speech’ was appalling, even by his standard he should be ashamed. What on earth was he going on about, on and on and on about? Where was his sober mind when he needed it?
Anyway, Bokros 14h00 Sunday. Hajrá Magyarország.
“Seems now it is not only Fidesz who are in the Jobbik policy stealing game!
Socialist says ban on land sales to foreigners should continue”
Senkiházy is a clumsy liar. Is there anyone who still believes the Communists? They say anything for votes; even steal some of Jobbik’s program just to confuse some people. It will not work any more. When puppets of Lendvai Communist politburo make statements, we can safely assume that they are lying as usual.
They are the same people who tried to pass choice Hungarian real estate to their Israeli counterparts for a fraction of its vale. Do they really think people have such short memories?
Can we expect resident Scando-nutter Viking to now condemn Mesterházy for his despicable, reactionary, populism? Hmmm?…
bobscountrybunker at February 5, 2010 11:23 PM
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No, I actually wrote that before Mesterhazy said it.
You know he called me and asked what he should come up with for new policy thing this week…
What I wrote a few days ago, is that of course it would be a Good Thing(tm) to continue the moratorium, *but* how do you do it?
1) Through an agreement with the other EU member states, but why should they want to accept that?
What has Hungary to offer?
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2) National laws/regulations are implemented in Hungary to that effect.
This will rather fast be challenged in the internal EU forums that exist on this and Hungary will lose. The EU rules and laws are very clear on this point “Free Movement of people and goods inside the EU member states”
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Jobbik, Fidesz and MSZP has still to provide an answer on *how* to implement this
Saying it is a Good Thing(tm) is rather useless and borders to cheating the voters before the Election
It is normally called for ‘Election Promises’ and have a very short life-span
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Also Jobbik differs then they want it for ever, Fidesz/MSZP proposes a few years longer moratorium
It is a conceptual difference
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So Mark also understand, the discussion is *only* about people/companies from another EU member state can buy land, not non-EU foreigners
For these Hungary can have any rules, when they are not regulated by this kind of EU common rule
*yawn*
See? Nobody is listening to you.
That’s not true, Bobscountrybumpkin.
It is sort a true. I do not read your ramblings anymore and just scroll by it but if my eye catches something outrageous, I look at it for a second. If there were a way, I would not look at any posts from you, wolfie, CG and Cemoi. I would read some of the other people I disagree with because they have opinions and arguments even if I do not like them. You four clowns post nothing besides insults. This post at the bottom was impossible to miss.
You four clowns post nothing besides insults
Mark at February 6, 2010 6:09 PM
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How can it be an insult to call Mark for
‘the missing link that proves that Jobbik is pro-Nazi’,
or is it this post on Eger Jobbik web-site that is the missing link:
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http://www.egerjobbik.hu/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10855:bemutatjuk-a-salgotarjani-gyilkos-ciganyt-fekete-laszlo-a-fidesz-lungo-dromjanak-jeloeltje-volt&catid=40:kekhirek&Itemid=62
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“Az eset kapcsán is feltesszük a kérdést: érdemes-e olyan pártra (a Zsideszre) szavazni, amely (helyi szinten is! Nem csupán országosan: Balogh Artúr, Schmidt Mária, Hegedűs Zsuzsanna, Pokorni Zoltán stb. – konkrét hivatkozások ITT) ilyen „emberekkel” nyomul? Még egyszer elmondjuk: ha a pártban vannak, lesznek is normális emberek értelmes, „bekeményítős” reform-elképzelsésekkel, azokat az ilyenek könyörtelenül kigolyózzák, kicsinálják. Ugye, emlékszünk az edelényi Molnár Oszkár példájára? Ettől a párttól egyszerűen semmi jó nem várható cigányfronton. Ugyanakkora hazaárulás rájuk szavazni, mint kivétel nélkül az összes többi parlamenti pártra
Kuruc.info – A.S. – egerjobbik.hu”
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Calling Fidesz, the biggest party in today’s Hungarian politics, who may get 2/3 majority in the General Elections 9 weeks later, for ‘Szidesz’ and publishing the data of some Fidesz people as Jews (Szido) could of course also be the
‘the missing link that proves that Jobbik is pro-Nazi’?
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It is a hard call…
Actually it seems like there is already a 3 years prolongation more or less agreed upon:
* Fidesz fixed in 1998-2002 a 7 years moratorium (2004-2011)
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* MSZP fixed (2004-2006) an additional 3 years extension, if if land prices remains lower than the EU average still after 7 years
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So, then it would be possible to get extension to 2014, then MSZP already fixed it according to this document:
THE ISSUE OF LAND OWNERSHIP AND RURAL NATIONALISM IN THE EAST CENTRAL EUROPEAN /ECE/ COUNTRIES.
A CASE STUDY OF HUNGARY
Anna Burger
Institute of Economics of the Hungarian Academy of Sciences
Paper prepared for presentation at the XIth EAAE Congress Copenhagen, Denmark 24-27 August 2005
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http://ageconsearch.umn.edu/bitstream/24554/1/cp05bu06.pdf
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The document also goes against these “Rural Nationalism” ideas that the land in Hungary is scare (which even Wolfie can give witness to) and actually it is the policies of parties like Jobbik, that have made the Hungarian Agrarian production to decline from 1990
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The document shows the total wrong direction of Hungarian Land Reforms since 1920, by the people that share Jobbik’s values. Even Mr. Farkas has been into this line with his writings of the late disappearance of the Hungarian Feudal class and not enough land reforms
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Meaning, if Jobbik’s agrarian policies have been wrong since the 1920s, why should they be better for the future?
As normal, 180 degrees from what Bob and his ‘DayOfHonour’-friends comes up with
Bokros LIAR!!
József Bognár was the principal of the Lónyay
protestant high school and knew the father of
Lajos Bokros, the notorious minister of finance in
the Horn administration. According to József
Bognár, his friend that was an economist and had a
civilian position in the protestant church,
regularly informed him about his son’s academic
advancement.
According to the father’s account, Lajos Bokros
drafted into the Hungarian Armed Forces, in 1972.
After serving a year in the army, he went to the
Soviet Union to study finance in the college of
Rostov. This was the same institution where Gyula
Horn, the first post-communist prime minister of
Hungary has also received his certificate. Mr.
Bokros stayed in Rostov for 3 years and received
his certificate in finance in 1976 or 1977.
The interesting thing is that in his parliamentary
almanac, Mr. Bokros kept quiet about his time in
the Soviet Union; he claimed, he had studied
economics at the Karl Marx University, in
Budapest, between 1973 and 1978. In addition, he
had completed his post-graduate studies in
economics, at the University of Panama, in 1979.
cont
According to József Bognár, the father of Lajos
Bokros has never mentioned that his son studied at
the Karl Marx University. When inquired at the Karl
Marx University about Mr. Bokros’ academic records,
university officials couldn’t find any trace of it.
Lajos Bokros then came up with a new explanation; he
said he had received his doctorate degree in Panama.
An inquiry was made at the University of Panama, but
university officials couldn’t find records about Mr.
Bokros’s attendance. In fact, the university flatly
denied that a person like Mr. Bokros has ever
received a doctorate degree in the institution.
When Mr. Bokros has been asked to explain the
contradiction, he blamed the University of Panama
for loosing his academic records. Also, Mr. Bokros
has never accounted for his Spanish language
background.
Soon after this information came to light, Edit
Keri filed a lawsuit against Mr. Bokros for
misleading the Parliament and the public about his
academic records. Later, Ms. Keri received an
official notice from the court telling her that
the case was transferred to a different district
court for processing. And that was the last time,
Ms. Keri heard about the lawsuit.
Mr. Bokros has never responded to Ms. Keri’s
lawsuit; neither, he counter-sued her for false
allegations.
Many years after “getting his doctorate degree in
Panama”, Mr. Bokros went to work for the IMF.
Apparently, the IMF wasn’t that fussy about his
academic records. And obviously, the fact that the
IMF is “having financial difficulties”, has
nothing to do with Mr. Bokros expertly
contribution to the banking business. However, the
economic situation in Hungary can tell you what
happens with countries managed by experts, like
Lajos Bokros.
(barikad.hu)
@impolite:
Barikad.hu is your source for (dis)information – everybody is laughing at you …
PS: You sound like lawless’s long lost twin brother – my god two of tose cretins …
However, the economic situation in Hungary can tell you what happens with countries managed by experts, like Lajos Bokros.
Polite at February 6, 2010 8:00 PM
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But, Bokros *was* the Finance Minister of Hungary 1995-98 and he is highly attributed to have fixed the mess the State Finances was in 1995, so Orban Viktor could ride in to a rich Prime Minister Office (PMO) in 1998, when the Hungarian electorate gave back on Bokros to have fixed the crisis, but that is how it works in politics
Just ask Orban Viktor or any Fidesz rep, they will ckaim that Hungary was rich when they were in Government
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Bokros was also the first on Orban Viktor’s list of ‘technocrats’ to replace Gyurcsany’s Government in the Autumn of 2006, but Bokros declined the offer
So Bokros has a good reputation for being a guy that fixes the bad finances of a State, even by the Fidesz leadership
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Even if Bokros was hated for his ‘Bokros-package’ 95-98, 12% of a recent poll would see him as a new PM, even if his party only has 3% support in the same poll. That is 4 times more
Relate this to Vonas approval-rating of 5% and then even close to the double (9%) would vote for Jobbik. Their own voters do not trust Vona for anything, wonder why?
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I have not a clue if Bokros ‘improved’ his CV or not, who cares?
When I employ a person I am interested if they can do the work, not in their CV
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Next thing Barikad, another of these Jobbik mouthpieces, will come up with is that Bokros 3rd cousin was one time dating a Jew