The Hungarian Nationalist Socialist Front (NS) plan to hold a rally in Budapest on March 6 with fellow German a neo-Nazis, Nepszabadsag daily said on Wednesday.
Spokeswoman for the Budapest police headquarters Hilda Illes told MTI that the police had not received notification from any group with plans to hold a commemoration of the Day of Honour in the capital this weekend, and therefore no such events can be held.
The paper said that the neo-Nazi group had originally planned to hold their event to commemorate a WWII battle together with the local group called the “Hungarists” – followers of the Hungarian collaborators with German Nazi rule – on February 14 at Heroes’ Square.
The paper reported that police had issued a stern warning that they would not be allowed to gather either in Heroes’ Square or at any other frequented site.
Instead the Hungarists plan to commemorate the “Day of Honour”, a WWII battle in defence of Budapest where German and Hungarian soldiers broke out of the besieged Buda Castle, in a small group up in the Buda Hills, said the paper.
The Nationalist Socialist Front, however, insists on holding their event in a public space, Nepszabadsag said. The group has since set up a party called National Revolutionary Party, a source told the paper. The idea is to hold the rally as a political campaign and circumvent a police ban.
NS has postponed the date to March 6 at the request of their German peers, who said they would be unable to attend the February commemoration in Budapest because a similar commemoration in Dresden coinciding with it.
“National Socialist Front” – wonder if any Jobbik members will turn up too …
I’ll guarantee you one thing, if these evil cnuts do have their march, the police will not touch them in the exercising of their civil rights.
Were they Hungarian Guardspeople committed to positive change in this country however, the police would be spraying tear gas into their eyes while clouting the living shit out of them. Naturally.
They at the door…
May they burn in hell. Every single one of them.
Were they Hungarian Guardspeople committed to positive change in this country however, the police would be spraying tear gas into their eyes while clouting the living shit out of them. Naturally.
bobscountrybunker at February 10, 2010 11:44 AM
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So, when did the Police spray tear gas in the eyes of “Hungarian Gardspeople” while they were doing a “positive change in this country”?
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So you do not agree that these German and Hungarian Soldiers are ‘Hungarian Patriots’ then, like your and Ricsi’s friend Mark?
Viking@He called them ‘evil cunts’ so why your stupid questions? Stop the troll game,you make your self look an even bigger idiot.
Bayer Zsolt: Vérdíj
http://www.magyarhirlap.hu/velemeny/verdij.html
És nyugodtan mondjuk ki, írjuk le ezredszer is: ha a náci bűnökre nincsen bocsánat, akkor a kommunista bűnökre sincs. Az nem lehetséges, hogy egyrészt mindig elmondják minekünk, hogy felejtsük már el végre a múltat, és ne hánytorgassuk, mi történt, majd ugyanazok elmondják azt is, hogy van a múltnak egy, egyetlenegy olyan része, amely nem felejthető, s amelyre folyton emlékezni kell. S akik ezt teszik, ezt mondják, azok egyben azt is mondják, azt sugallják, hogy emberiség elleni bűnt csak a zsidók ellen lehetséges elkövetni.
Yes, but does *Ricsi* think they are “evil c*nts”? I thought Ricsi had a “thing” for Nazi memorabilia, ‘Aryan history’ and other such things.
I accept that Bobs may think of them as “evil c*nts” but I’d like to hear Ricsi himself say he agrees. Yes, in writing. Since that would be in great contradiction with the bulk of his “writings”. So, which IS it, Ricsi?
Viking@He called them ‘evil cunts’ so why your stupid questions? Stop the troll game,you make your self look an even bigger idiot.
Ricsi at February 10, 2010 5:18 PM
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So he think Mark is an of the ‘evil cunts’ also then?
And you, who is Mark’s friend and entertain Mark when he is in Hungary, do you think that Mark belongs to these ‘evil cunts’ also?
If you claim one thing, you are expected to be consistent, not just run away and cry like small mices
Be a Man, or a Mouse
@ Viking;
Be a Man, NOT a mouse. That’s how it’s said.
@ Viking;
Actually, you would be write if you have asked it like a question ie: What are you? A man or a mouse? But if you want just to make a point, then you say it with a “not” vs “or”.
@Justasking,
If I may say this politely… were you attempting to ridicule Viking or *help* him with the particular slang (Man/Mouse) clarification you mentioned?
Hopefully you are just trying to be helpful to Viking because if not… well, someone like me could ask YOU — presuming English is your FIRST language — how come YOU say things like “you would be write” when obviously you mean “you would be right“?
I will not call you “illiterate” even IF English is your only language… I’m guessing English is NOT Viking’s first language, and he probably knows a few, so a little respect is perhaps due in case you were trying to make fun of him. You were probably just being “helpful” in which case, that was very nice of you to clarify.
@Bystander;
I don’t know what your problem is; but, reading some of your posts today, you are obviously looking for a fight. Well, it ain’t gonna be with me.
You know, it is possible, once in awhile to be somewhat civil to each other. I read what he wrote, gave my version of how it is said here, and that was it. If it was my intent to ridicule Viking about the saying ” Be a Man and not a mouse”, I can guarantee you, there would be no room, for a misunderstanding.
Now, was that clear enough?
Bystander@ Why don’t you give us your previous handle/name? Not to worry it is of no importance to be honest! As for ‘evil c.nts’,in this case I agree for I have no affiliation with skin heads or thugs and have never implied so.
I believe in the right wing as in Jobbik,I am an historian and enjoy research,but ‘memorabilia’? ‘aryan history ‘? I think you are putting 2 and 2 and making 5
End of transmission…….
@Justasking –
I apologize for misunderstanding your comments to Viking — around here many people often ridicule people’s misspellings or typographical errors and especially considering the International nature of this site, I think that it is “unfair” to pounce on people for this kind of thing (especially when English is a 2nd or 3rd or 4th language to some of them). I think I have heard you engage in this type of criticism and in light of your misspelling in your previous post I found it Ironic… however I probably miscontrued your polite correction to be Sarcasm, and for that I am sorry.
I’m not looking for a fight…
However, if every day you read this site and read stuff that said things like “HUNGARIAN SLIME AND SCUM YOU AND YOUR ILK ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE MURDERS IN THE WORLD” you would might occasionally find your hackles raised. (Substitute the word “Jew” for “Hungarian” in the sentence above and maybe you’ll get a sense of what pisses me off sometimes… I know picturing yourself in someone else’s shoes is not always easy but TRY it sometime).
There.
I can be “Hungarian-American” AND “Jewish” at the same time, and I don’t appreciate hearing that I’m a “killer”, “scum”, “evil” etc. every single damn time I read your buddies post on this site, just because I happened to be born to people with certain chromosomes.
It’s funny you say i want a fight because Mark actually put me in a GOOD mood before with the over the top ridiculousness!
@Bystander;
I can tell that Mark puts you in a good mood just by the “tone” of your posts. Forgive me, if I am leery of people when they say ” I’m not looking for a fight…however”
As for your ability to be ” Hungarian American AND Jewish at the same time, I can relate to that. I am a Hungarian Canadian AND Catholic at the same time. Is that kinda sorta putting oneself in another’s shoes?
@Justasking
It WOULD be… if every single one of these pages up and down was calling Catholic people “the evil f*cking murderer slime who need to be taught a lesson and get the f*ck out of Hungary”.
YEAH. In that case you would have something there.
But you DON’T.
let’s get this straight… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tQ19tAw6h0&feature=related
Besides Mark is fighting our cause very effectively together with a few others,good work guys
Ricsi at February 10, 2010 9:02 PM
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http://www.politics.hu/20100126/vona-reveals-jobbiks-enemies-list-imf-united-states-israel-slovakia-and-terrestrial-commercial-television-stations
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So sad then that today Mark cannot celebrate these ‘Hungarian Patriots’ that are remembered today to have broken out of the Soviet encirclement of Budapest
It is a sign of, both the old and new times, that these ‘Hungarian Patriots’ cannot be celebrated without their German ‘minders’:
In September 1944, Soviet forces crossed the Hungarian border. On 15 October, Horthy announced that Hungary had signed an armistice with the Soviet Union. The Hungarian army ignored the armistice, fighting desperately to keep the Soviets out. The Germans launched Operation Panzerfaust and, by kidnapping his son Miklós Horthy, Jr., forced Horthy to abrogate the armistice, depose the Lakatos government, and name the leader of the Arrow Cross Party, Ferenc Szálasi, as Prime Minister. Horthy resigned and Szálasi became Prime Minister of a new “Hungarian State” (Magyar Állam) controlled by the Germans
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On 28 December 1944, a provisional government was formed in Hungary under acting Prime Minister Béla Miklós. Miklós immediately ousted Prime Minister Ferenc Szálasi’s government. The Germans and pro-German Hungarians loyal to Szálasi fought on
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These are the soldiers that Mark call ‘Hungarian Patriots’
Bystander: “It’s funny you say i want a fight because Mark actually put me in a GOOD mood before with the over the top ridiculousness!”
There are plenty of videos out there showing how your “Jewish settlers” fight unarmed Palestinians, mostly women and children. Your way of fighting is making dirty and threatening phone calls, preferably to children and it usually works. You are such great fighters
Let me ask you something Bystander, where do you think people go after you chase them off these public lists with filth and threats? I give you a clue, they find sites where they can speak their minds without fear of harassment of their families and get far more information and support than they could on these lists.
You should remember that when I speak of evil Jews, I do not speak of all Jews as evil, only those sadistic murderers who murdered millions for Stalin. There are many decent Jews, hopefully far more than evil Jews, who also condemn those evil Jews. Do you want to fight them also?
@Mark – the “evil Jews (& non Jews)” who killed for Stalin are in all likelihood, dead. As you yourself said, not all Jews are evil, and there are also decent Jews. When you speak of “evil Jews”, you’d rather paint all Jews with “Stalin” brush rather than recognizing that these are an individual actions, simply because it suits your purpose. Same goes for your comments on other nationalities.
In your mind, Hungarians or Poles or Americans have some inherent genetic characteristic which makes them decent or honourable. Most of us don’t see things this way. We’d look at the individual, his character & what he does, and then decide whether he/she is a trustworthy or decent person or not. Their decency has nothing to do with the colour of their passport, or the bloodlines & ethnicity they claim.
All nazis deserve to die a slow and miserable death. Stupid, idiot, neanderthal sacks of dog shit.
All communists deserve to die a slow and miserable death. Stupid, idiot, neanderthal sacks of dog shit.
All communists deserve to die a slow and miserable death. Stupid, idiot, neanderthal sacks of dog shit.
Ana at February 11, 2010 10:53 AM
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But they are just demanding the same thing as Jobbik:
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http://www.munkaspart.hu/2010valasztas/Program2010.pdf
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So they cannot be that bad then?
Ana, you sound frustrated. Maybe you are a little baszatlan?
‘Holocaust’ survivors now suing MAV state railways.
Why now,after all these years? Blood suckers easy money running out? No more Madoff scandals sending you money ? Germany bled dry?
This is an example of why people question the continous ‘holocaust’ and ‘money industry’(Norman Finklestein).
When will jews realise that you can only act like a leech for so long before the victims react-no amount of censorship can hide these hypocritical actions.
Why not sue MAV when it was under communism? Because the heirarchy were mostly fellow jews?
So many questions……
PS Erik,nice one,putting it up on Caboodle so nobody can comment! So typical.
@Ricsi: There is a forum on Caboodle, too, with a specific category/folder for politics: http://www.caboodle.hu/nc/forums/browse/single_conf/category/main_category/conference/hungarian_politics/
Only difference is you have to sign in. Which you would welcome anyway.
@Ricsi: Better still point me to any of the pages on Jobbik.hu, Jobbik.com, Kuruc.hu, Barikad.hu… where I can leave a comment.
Mark said “Let me ask you something Bystander, where do you think people go after you chase them off these public lists with filth and threats?”
Mark, please tell me what the hell you’ve been smoking and then let me have a little… sounds like it must be strong stuff! What the f*ck are you talking about?
If it helps you to know, my ancestors left Hungary *prior* to 1900 so, I am not directly related to Rakosi and his “ilk” any more than you are related to *Jew-murderin’* Hungarians (or ARE you?). Nor do I have *any* relatives in Israel (that I know of), so whatever any asshole “settlers” may do, doesn’t represent ME. I DO know that many of the E.Europe Jewish villages that my forebears came from were *completely* exterminated by the Nazis, and despite the fact that Ricsi likes to put the word Holocaust in “quotation marks” they WERE wiped out, did not just “emigrate”.
I don’t write on this forum to get into a pissing contest to see whose relatives between us suffered *more* from tyrannical regimes, dumbasses.
However, *I* unlike you *don’t* try to minimize the damage caused by (e.g. Stalinist) regimes in the past, while Mark and Ricsi just look like dipshits trying to deny the (Jewish) Holocaust, that the sane world knows very well happened. Just like the Rwandan Holocaust, the Armenian Holocaust, and many others.
Don’t you all realize that your racism reflects very badly on your country? People come here and think “Hungarians sound really racist!”
Vándorló@Thanks for the tip,as for Jobbik,you can leave comments on the English language page.Kuruc and barikád maybe not,but you know also about Hungarian Ambience I believe.
PS Do you ever watch IHMTS on YouTube? (I know you speak very good Hungarian,but for the other expats,this is a very interesting service)They have no connection with Jobbik so don’t worry.:)
Mark@My dear friend,you are so right in saying that we were naive,we thought we were dealing with normal people,we may agree to disagree but we never would hit below the belt,however these scum showed the true colours and played dirty-No regrets in retrospect for it only made us more determined as well as security minded so some good actually came out of those childish attacks.
Interesting that the US and UK govs now seek to follow Israel in creating ‘internet warrior’forces to plague sites like these,guess the truth is really hitting home.
Hope things are good in Austin,keep well….
wow. I didn’t know Mark lived in Austin Texas…at least, not till Ricsi revealed some more personal information.
Hi Ricsi,
It is a lot more disturbing when scum like that calls your home and harass your children. I will never understand how “people” like that can look into the mirror and not feel like throwing up.
Take care my friend
Bystander: “Don’t you all realize that your racism reflects very badly on your country?”
I do not believe that Hungarians are racists for wanting to keep their country. What is racist is what Jews do to Palestinians. That is very racist. Slaughtering them, stealing their lands to make room for racist Jewish settlers, denying them access to food and medical supplies while bombing their schools and hospitals, murdering them for their organs are racist.
You should look at your own people and all the horrible things your people do to others before you go on accusing others of racism. Hungarians not wanting to end up like the Palestinians is not racist. What your people do to the Palestinians and to the Hungarians is racist.
That would be disturbing if someone were calling people’s homes and harrassing children… Is this happening anywhere outside the scary confines of Mark’s mind, or is this a movie or what? Or is Mark talking about something that happened to his parents? Pleeease give me some of what you’ve been smoking! It’s legal in California for people with certain medical conditions… I’m thinking Mark may be eligible…
And I stayed in Austin for three nights in 2005 – such a beautiful and interesting city.
Fantastic to see that million Mexican bats under the congree bridge – has anyone here also seen that spectacle ?
http://austin.about.com/od/austinattractions/p/Bats_in_Austin.htm
Bystander thinks that he is clever to deny the filthy harassment of those his ilk does not agree with accuse me of smoking something for telling the posters about it while snooping around the posters here. Very clever indeed and in may get some friction with “people” like him but not with those who were subjected to their KGB terrorist ways.
Cinaed@So gullible!
Bystander@Oh yes it happens,such is the way of cowardly scum who realise that end times are coming for them.Would you like to return to reality or join the scum about to hit the end in a dramatic way?.
PS That is in no way a personal threat,just a reflection of how the world is changing right now..
Wow, you really DO sound stoned! Listen to yourself sometime!
What an embarrassment… So much for the concept of “Jobbik intellectuals”!
@Cináed
These clowns have been talking about Austin Texas for some time and even tried to determine my specific location. Ricsi is only repeating what these clowns have been saying. I neither deny or confirm their snooping because I despise their disgusting KGB ways.
I will say as much that I am a Hungarian-American. That is a lot more than what we get from these clowns who claim to be German, Swede, Irish and whatever because they are ashamed of who they are. Even worse is the clown who is ashamed to name his country of origin while telling us who is not a Hungarian. They are nothing and so in a country of blind men, a one-eyed man is king.
Mark@Exactly,lets play the same game,How is Dallas these days? Was great when we met last year and saw the famous film sets from the ‘Dallas’ series.:)
PS The Alamo is awesome,always reminds of Hungarys struggle against the Turks,Szigetvár,Eger etc….
@ Mark/Ricsi;
I thought that “they” said that Mark was from Houston?
I will say as much that I am a Hungarian-American. That is a lot more than what we get from these clowns who claim to be German, Swede, Irish and whatever because they are ashamed of who they are
Mark at February 11, 2010 6:50 PM
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Are you sure that you “say” that and not just “claim” it?
Are you really, really sure?
You do not want to call a friend?
Not use the 50/50?
If you have no proof that I am not Swedish, always been and always will be, no?
Well, why should I believe that you are an “Hungarian-American”?
For me you will just be another ‘Illinois Nazi’ and we all know what we think about ‘Illinois Nazi’…
Hi Ricsi,
I have such contempt for these “people” that I would not be interested in fooling them by feeding them stories or whatever. They do that to themselves without any help from me.
Take care my friend
@ Mark
Pavaszem called me Pollyanna – maybe there is truth to it.
I always posted I was from Toronto. Justasking is from Western Canada and may have posted her city. Viking is Swedish, Wolfi is German, Sophist is from Britain, Vandorlo has a UK background. I think Bob is also from the UK with a Hungarian background. Bystander is from the US and second generation American. I believe FL was born in Hungary and is living there.
Ricsi, Pavaszem, Law , Ce’est Moi and Curious George live in in Hungary – as far as I understand, only Ricsi and Pavaszem are actually Hungarian.
Cinaed’s first language is English (I am pretty sure) and moved from Hungary with his Hungarian wife recently. I think he lived in Australia and is now somewhere else He posted the info that’s how I know.
What is the big secret where one is from? I gained the knowledge above (I may have things wrong in certain cases) by reading this website and people relevealing their whereabouts.
I have no idea why this should be kept a secret
Can you give me your point of view on this?
@Olga;
From what I have been told, some people have been targeted quite aggressively, both at home and at work, for posting their opinion/beliefs/ideas/answers etc, etc, etc.
Again, what I just said is not gospel, it’s just what I’ve been told.
@ justasking?
People like Viking and Vandorlo maybe easy to find because Van has a website and Viking gives lots of info out about himself and I gather BP is not over run by Swedes married to hungarians.
People like Ricsi are probably visible in the JOBBIK party – at one point I was easy to find because my infomrrtion (address, email, etc) was posted on websites on various volunteer positions
I was engaged in – of course you had to know the organiszations.
Other than that, I am not sure how other people could be traced. Of course, I just spent an hour on the phone with tech support because I am technologically challenged.
BTW – the last thing I would want is to have any of your buddies know anything personal about me other than that I live in Toronto. You are the exception. If I had the opportunity and you came to Toronto, I’d like to meet you for a cappuchino.
No offense if you declined.
@Olga : Don’t you know that Viking and me are “these clowns who claim to be German, Swede, Irish and whatever because they are ashamed of who they are” ?
We are jewish commie zionist nazis, scum and mossad agents …
or at least Murkybrain and Lawless wrote so (and think it too ?)
@Olga;
I don’t know how these things go about and how people are found. All I know is a girlfriend of mine, who “understands computers” (apparently that means something more then understanding computer programs) says that there is not such thing as “no” in the computer world.
As for me ever being in TO, likely won’t happen, I never say never. As for the get together for a cappachino…no, I’m lactose intolerant, it would have to be a plain old black coffee from Timmie’s.
@justasking
Timmie’s it is. I know the police could find you.
I am starting to feel guilty for wasting people’s time on non-Hungarian issues.
Check out this website – yes, people can be tracked but it seems to be complicated. Just to “impress you” (you are not impressed?) I met Paul Gillespie because I was involved with an organization that he spoke at. He told the crowd his wife was a cop.
http://www.microsoft.com/industry/publicsector/government/cetsnews.mspx
This website is safe from me for a while – otta run out and get some f… disk to remedy my computer’s near death experience.
How important we all are in this sewer of name-calling and racist chants and contradictions that go on forever.
It seems that the would-be politicians on this forum are no better than the parasites already crawling about the parliament buildings in Budapest.
It seems that the would-be politicians on this forum are no better than the parasites already crawling about the parliament buildings in Budapest.
Daytripper at February 11, 2010 8:24 PM
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Yes, we are not
(written under the influence of several bottles of
FünfKirchen bottles of minőségi száraz fehér pezsgő
Ask your local Hungarian to translate that
but it is good and it is made according to the Méthode Classique
Being from Pécs should make Ricsi happy, even if it has nothing to do with pig farming)
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I made the menus for our 1st place, a famous drink bar in Budapest in the 90s and I misspelled száraz in the way that for at least 2 years we were selling “red shit wine” instead of “red dry wine”
But people were happy then we could sell Kékfrankos from Vestergombi pince from Szeksardi for 50 Ft/cl, dry or shit, they liked it
Viking@Did you know that a Swedish company is the majority shareholder of Pécsi Pezsgö?
Still no problem,China is the new owner of Volvo,and Russia is behind Stryker,the new owner of Saab. Strange times!!
Viking@Did you know that a Swedish company is the majority shareholder of Pécsi Pezsgö?
Ricsi at February 11, 2010 9:27 PM
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No, but it must be *the* reason why it is soooo goood
Olga: “Pavaszem called me Pollyanna – maybe there is truth to it.”
There is much truth to it and that is why I pull my punches with you even when you say thing that are very hurtful to Hungarians who want a better and free life for their people. You know little, you understand even less, and yet you condemn decent patriotic people who are very much like your own father was.
Naturally, it is safe for you to be open about your identity and location because we would not dream of harassing you and your family at your home or at your place of employment for your opinions. I do not care about your identity but if I could have laid my hands on the slime that was harassing my family over the phone, I would have looked him up and made him pay for his disgusting behavior. We do not do that sort of things so you can go on being a Pollyanna happily ever after.
I predict that some day, you will learn the truth and regret some of the things you said about patriotic Hungarians because if you were living in Hungary today, they would be the last best hope for a decent future for you and your family.
Have a nice day my lost sister…
if I could have laid my hands on the slime that was harassing my family over the phone, I would have looked him up and made him pay for his disgusting behavior
Mark at February 12, 2010 8:13 AM
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You want us to believe that some one has been calling your family in the US because something you wrote here?
I would think the only person who calls Marf in the US, based on something he wrote here, would be……….Ricsi?
Just in the event it isn’t Ricsi, then I can’t wait for the movie to come out. I wonder who’ll play Marf? Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt..? Seeing how he’s always complaining about being shafted, maybe one of the triplets would be ideal.
Olga…in reference to personal info, I posted in this thread the other day, in case you missed it.
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http://www.politics.hu/20100105/jobbik-to-appeal-to-solyom-over-pms-prejudiced-remark-about-party#c358
Viking@Volvo’s are soooo good too,though I am no great fan of Saab,too much GM influence.
PS S60D5 great car.
Ricsi!!!
‘Holocaust’ survivors now suing MAV state railways.
Why now,after all these years? Blood suckers easy money running out? No more Madoff scandals sending you money ? Germany bled dry?
This is an example of why people question the continous ‘holocaust’ and ‘money industry’(Norman Finklestein).
When will jews realise that you can only act like a leech for so long before the victims react-no amount of censorship can hide these hypocritical actions.
Why not sue MAV when it was under communism? Because the heirarchy were mostly fellow jews?
So many questions……
PS Erik,nice one,putting it up on Caboodle so nobody can comment! So typical.
Ricsi at February 11, 2010 2:23 PM
This is a real Neo Liberal Conspiracy!!::
http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/11/24603.htm
Guess who their lead counsel is? A certain Anthony D’Amato, a law professor at Northwestern University.
Koinsidence? Erik was in Auschwicc few month ago. All of them off spring of Senator Alfonse D’Amato no doubt.
You figure it out mate!
Szebb Jovot!!!
If it makes you feel any better this Jew doesn’t
agree with attempts to get compensated for the
horrors that occurred during WWII unless they get
in line with no special treatment and go thru
whatever channels would be relevant in any case of
torts/being wronged…
I really have only heard of people getting
compensated in cases of paintings being stolen or
things like that, and think the numbers must be
something like a fraction of a percent of any
Survivors getting compensated and THEN only in
clear traceable cases of theft etc. Also for the
many millions DEAD, well there IS no compensation
and there are dead on all sides (though your
friend Ricsi likes to pretend 80% of the Jews
marched off into cattle cars just went off
shopping at Harrod’s).
I’m not an expert on “reparations” but never heard
anyone I know/friends-of-friends-of-family etc.
who ever REMOTELY received any kind of
compensation whatsoever, so I’d like to see
evidence this is an “epidemic”.
Something tells me these people won’t win a penny,
this probably represents opportunists (they exist
in all races/creeds) out there that always want to
jump in the front of the line while we know that
ALL of Europe was raped during WWII.
The part that strikes me about the post above
(besides the blood curdling shrieking for Ricsi
like he was callin’ for “MOMMA!”) is that after
reading the horrific bloodcurdling details in the
link you sent, all you took away from the
brutality was “look at the SELFISHNESS!” Nice.
Why now? Very simple. Magyarorszag went bust. It has no monies for pensions, civil “servants”,etc. So it recently received billions in loans from the IMF. Guess who controls the IMF? Yup. So now Magyarorszag has billions to spend. So now it is ripe for such litigation. This means the magyar will pay back the IMF loan and pay damages to these “litigators”. And nothing will have been bailed, rescued, funded. Does anything change? And no, Obama will not lift a finger for the magyar. Just pay out to your slavemasters magyarok.
Well the magyar lost ww2. Which meant the Stalinist communist red army/KNVD took control of christian europe. Which meant Magyarorszag went on to have endless riches and prosperity in the glorious communist brotherhood. March for communism and the defeat of magyarorszag! Stand up for your communism! Let all of you communist brothers be counted, identified and photographed. When Budapest fell to the communists, it marked, indeed, the downfall of the West, never to be regained. Honor every soldier that tried to stop Stalin and his communist barbarians. It is all you have left,sadly.
You figure it out mate!
Szebb Jovot!!!
Csikós László at February 12, 2010 8:57 PM
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Law decided to drop his alias?
@Jack. (The foul-mouthed hysterical queen.)
How great it is to be assured that things will change in the near future.
You clueless arsehole.
“Give credit to the governing Hungarian Socialist Party (MSZP)’s PR people. Twenty years ago, they helped transform Gyula Horn, the former communist who helped the Soviets defeat Hungary in the 1956 Revolution, into the man who the greatest number of Hungarians wanted to be prime minister in 1994.”
“One of the richest politicians, László Kapolyi, had some EUR 616,600 worth of securities disappear from his asset statement. Do not worry about Kapolyi though: he needed 19 extra pages to declare the real estate he owns (last year 18 was enough) and besides his salary as an MP, he received nearly HUF 1 million (EUR 3,640) a month for his various positions, such as a consultant (HUF 471,000 or EUR 1,716) and academic (HUF 455,000 or EUR 1,657) of the Hungarian Academy of Sciences and the president of a corporation. Kapolyi said the money missing from his personal account went into his companies.”
Holy shit! Next thing we’ll see is Ricsi inviting us to his facebook page!
@ Anonymous
Conspiracy theories, insurgency,
and seeing Ricsi behind every lampost
exist in your paranoid and disturbed mind.
Misreading comments and being
controversial for commercial reasons -
I can applaud – but won’t!
Sweet dreams in the land of plenty.
Curious George talks a lot about other posters and tells us all that we never wanted to know about Hungary but not one beep about his own country that he is too ashamed and too cowardly to own up to.
Csikós László: “Why not sue MAV when it was under communism? Because the heirarchy were mostly fellow jews?”
That is what bloodsuckers do my friend…
Csikós László: “Why not sue MAV when it was under communism? Because the heirarchy were mostly fellow jews?”
That is what bloodsuckers do my friend…
Mark at February 13, 2010 7:43 AM
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But it is a show-trial, because what could possible come out of it?
Who cares what a small court in the US decides?
It shows more the flaws of the US legal system, than anything else, but hey that is where Mark lives, so what do you expect from a country full of ‘Illinois Nazis’
@ Viking;
” Who cares what a small court in the US decides?”
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To me personally? Jack shit!
That being said, like it or not, it’s nice to have the US… not only our neighbours; but, as our friends as well. Say whatever you want about them, I’d still take them by my side, any ole day of the week!
Who else has the-wear -with- all and the balls if pissed, to blowing, whom ever they want, back into the stone ages?
About Nazis in Dresden this weekend:
Die Neonazis kommen aus halb Europa
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,677465,00.html
Neonazis aus Deutschland, Schweden, Frankreich, Ungarn und der Slowakei wollen nach Dresden kommen, um die deutsche Kriegsschuld zu leugnen. Auch Mitglieder der berüchtigten tschechischen Organisation “Narodni Odpor” (“Nationaler Widerstand”) werden erwartet. Sie werden verantwortlich gemacht für die wachsende Gewalt gegen Sinti und Roma in Tschechien, für ein immer schlimmeres antisemitisches Klima in Teilen Mittel- und Osteuropas.
Let’s see what’s going to happen …
@Mark – “but not one beep about his own country”. What aspect of my country do you want to know about – Neo Nazis, Commies, Roma or Jews?
Isn’t Csikós László our long lost nut HotPaprika? The atrocious spelling and grammar certainly suggests so. Ricsi would know how to spell “Koinsidence”.
“heirarchy ” is also a nice (Freudian ?) slip – o my God another Jew!
@ Mark
Re:”Curious George talks a lot about other posters and tells us all that we never wanted to know about Hungary but not one beep about his own country that he is too ashamed and too cowardly to own up to.”
Since I don’t know any more about CG than you do, here is another possibility consider. Keep in mind that I don’t see you posting any identifying information about yourself – I am pretty safe to say that revealing that I was born in BP and living in Toronto is not exactly “identifying”
CG teaches and he is married to a Hungarian woman. If they reside in a small town he might be identified in about 5 minutes by anyone reading this website if they have any connection to the school where he teaches. Even if he was born in the US.
My husband’s cousins live in a small Ontario town where everyone knows everyone. I am considered this “exotic bird” as I seem to be the only person they ever met around there who wasn’t born in Canada. (that’s where I was asked once if my Mom knew how to read cards. I thought it was funny) If there was a political website there and I posted that I am originally from Hungary, I might as well invite the whole town for coffee.
Point is – without knowing all the facts, one ought not jump to conclusions.
I read on another thread about your Dad receiving ugly calls – was it in Hungary or in the USA? That’s truly shocking. Should those calls not make you even more sympathetic to CG not being overly anxious to reveal his country of origin?
@Olga
My family and I received these filthy and threatening calls when I had my phone listed and used my actual name. In those days, I was still naïve enough to assume that these are like other people and they can handle disagreements without getting personal and ugly with other people’s family.
I do not believe for a minute that “Curious George” is concerned about harassment at his place of business because that sort of thing is done almost exclusively by hate driven Jews who see only their own side and are scared of any opinion contrary to their propaganda. Have you seen some of the ugly smears these new Nazis, the Jewish Nazis were directing at President Carter because he dared to talk about the condition of Palestinians under Israeli occupation? Did you know Mr. Goldstone; a decent and honorable Jewish man was called an anti-Semite by these fanatics? I can imagine the phone calls he and his family received. Did you notice their latest forgery?
“Curious George” does not fear harassment of his family but he fears that his country and people would be subjected to the same scrutiny he is subjecting Hungary. He can be certain of that but he is too much of a coward to face the music. He can dish it out on this list but he cannot take it on this list.
Illinois Nazis? I hate Illinois Nazis…
@Olga – what you used is exactly what happened to me. When I used my previous nick (UJ), someone from school asked me outright if I was UJ. I had revealed some personal information here, and he had put 2 and 2 together. But, no, I’m not afraid about anyone from work knowing who I am, or harassing me (they’re mostly Hungarian and all very nice). I’m more concerned about nutters who may harass my wife at home, or on the street. And you’re right – revealing my nationality would be like inviting everyone over for coffee (you’d be welcome anytime, though). But no, I’m not married to a Hungarian and we stick out like a sore thumb in Hungary. Actually, we’d be more wary of Mark and his ‘ilk’ more than we’d be wary of any Jew.
It’s possible that Mark might have faced such harassment, but I doubt it is from anyone here. Frankly, I think anyone who calls someone else a child molester when he knows nothing about them, would probably go through life with a few black eyes, or worse. If he’s as rash and vocal in real life as he is here, I should think he should consider himself lucky to just get a few calls. Too bad about his family, though.
@Mark – once again, what aspect of my country would you would like to know about?
Hungary now has billions on account at the IMF. Billions of
$’s/euros loaned ostensibly to support the magyar. This money
must be re-paid by the hungarian taxpayor. (You can thank your
socialist dictators for this.) So, this court in the US will rule in favor
the holocausters in the billions and go to the IMF and simply take
the monies. Welcome to communism my friends. Remember,
Obamas ket advisor is Ram Emmanuel who is an Israeli
citizn/attorney from Northwestern University (from which the
litigation arose.) Wll America and Stalins Red Army fought for the
holocausters. And they won. Game over folks.
Curious George: “once again, what aspect of my country would you would like to know about?”
I do not want YOU to tell me aspects of your country. I want you to own up to the country of your origin. I make no bones about it that I will use whatever negatives there are about your country, there must be a lot if you are ashamed and afraid to own up, as long as you criticize Hungarians who want to reclaim their country for Hungarians. What is fair for one is fair for the other.
You already saw that when Jews parading as German, Swede, Irish, American, Hungarian or whatever call Hungary and Hungarians names, I do not hesitate to respond about racist, genocidal, baby killer, war criminal aspects of Nazi Israel. That is the fair thing to do. Your country must have even more shameful aspects, if possible, that makes you afraid to own up because you are ashamed of your country.
@Anonymous
The reaction of Hungarians who still remember or learned from their elders about the horrors Hungarians endured under Rakosi and his Jewish sadistic murderers is not at all surprising. Most of the claimants are Israelis, further proof that Israel and Israel’s local agents are the greatest threat to Hungarians and to Hungary future.
@Mark – “I do not want YOU to tell me aspects of your country. I want you to own up to the country of your origin. I make no bones about it that I will use whatever negatives there are about your country”
But, of course. Everyone here knows you are incapable of thinking about the validity of a statement, and debating or refuting its merits. Your idea of a mature debate is to ignore any statement & attack the person &/or country, labeling them anything your weird mind thinks of at that point – Jew, Commie, Nazi,..etc (look at your last post).
I didn’t see any Jews posing as Germans, or Swedes..or whatever. I’m not even sure how many people (even your ‘ilk’) believe you. If they did, I’d be the world’s first Turkish-Indian-Jewish-Commie-Nazi child molesting war criminal ever. I’m guessing that they might have some serious doubts about your sanity.
You didn’t understand my reply to Olga about nationality. My country has no more shameful aspects than yours. Unfortunately, I think that you, as a person, have more to be ashamed of than most.
I’d be willing to discuss any policies of my country wherever it is relevant to a discussion on Hungary. This way, our debate can remain mature & focused, & you can criticize freely without coming across as deranged or a spoilt child. Eg. no point discussing Roma wrt my country as we don’t have any. However, we can discuss minority policies since we do have minorities (I’m one) or affirmative action (we have none).
Anonymous at February 14, 2010 9:16 AM was from me!
“You already saw that when Jews parading as German, Swede, Irish, American, Hungarian or whatever call Hungary and Hungarians names, I do not hesitate to respond about racist, genocidal, baby killer, war criminal aspects of Nazi Israel. That is the fair thing to do.” (Mark)
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…but Mark, what if you’re wrong? What if the people you mention here really are from where they claim? What if the attitudes from them actually do represent at least to some degree, the attitudes of people from those countries? I haven’t seen them call Hungarians names on the basis of their Hungarianness nor Hungary beyond what is common between other nations, I have seen them respond to provocation and insult against individuals in kind, which is, I might add, something I’ve seen you do too.I have also seen them offer their opinions on what would improve Hungary’s economic and social standing.So ultimately, my aim with this post is not to attack you, or call you names, but to ask you, what if you’re wrong? …and if you’re wrong about this, what else might you be wrong about? …then is what you said really fair after all or are you going after the wrong target?
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I think it’s important to ask these questions, because otherwise we all risk going back to the bad old days of witch hunts and inquisitions.
while I’m on about witch-hunts and while we’re quoting the bible…
Here is Titus 3:1-9
1Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to do whatever is good, 2to slander no one, to be peaceable and considerate, and to show true humility toward all men. 3At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. 4But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, 5he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 6whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life. 8This is a trustworthy saying. And I want you to stress these things, so that those who have trusted in God may be careful to devote themselves to doing what is good. These things are excellent and profitable for everyone. 9But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless.10Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him. 11You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.
Thanks, Cináed, for your comments!
Your last quotation in modern words: If someone has a delusion – the Jews (or Gypsies or Muslims or …) are after him, so everyone who does not agree with him, must be a Jew, whether he calls himself a German or Swede or …
Then what do you call that person ?
Have a nice sunday – around here the sun is shining, the snow and ice are melting – might be springtime soon!
wolfi: I’m not sure I completely agree with your paraphrasing of the biblical text, but I do think that when the term ‘Jew’ is bandied about so recklessly it loses all meaning and becomes a euphemism for ‘other’.
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History repeats itself over and over, one slaughters another, hatred breeds, tables turn and then the previous victim slaughters their former oppressor, hatred breeds, tables turn and…so on.All that really happens is a lot of innocent people suffer and die, while our abilty to make weapons that do the same thing more efficiently improves. Thousands of years of recorded history for what? So we can threaten each other with sending them back to the stone-age? I mean, such is life right? Human nature? …but if you believe God made man in His own image, then it means that He also gave us a brain because HE thought it was a good idea.Thinking with one’s heart sounds sentimental and spiritual, but if your heart or religion leads you to believe that it is right to hate or hurt someone just for their race, colour or creed, then that is a belief system I could never share.
…and the ever so tiresome disclaimer. Yes, that goes for ALL religions, faiths, political ideologies, and old ladies’ sewing circles.
I think religion and culture should be respected, but I don’t think they should be sacred.Remember, the veil in the temple was torn open so we could access God in our way.What have we done since then?
Questions can never be wrong, but answers can.
btw wolfi, the weather here is cold, wet and generally inclement. I’m hoping the fireworks tomorrow night will be memorable though…even if I do have to celebrate with the other 7 million residents of this city.
Oh, and I just couldn’t resist posting this from the 80′s Christian rock group Petra…and before I get panned for copying and pasting from other sources, well “what’s good for the goose…” right?
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WITCH HUNT
Everybody look, there’s a new bandwagon in town
Hop on board and let the wind carry you around
Seems like there’s not enough to keep us busy ’til the Lord comes back
Don Quixote’s gotta have another windmill to attack
(Chorus)
Another witch hunt, looking for evil wherever we can find it
Off on a tangent, hope the Lord won’t mind it
Another witch hunt, takin’ a break from all our gospel labor
On a crusade, but we forgot our Saviour
There’s a new way to spend all our energies
We’re up in arms instead of down on our knees
Walkin’ over dollars, trying to find another dime
Never mind the souls, ’cause we really haven’t got the time
So send out the dogs and tally ho
Before we sleep tonight we’ve got miles to go
No one is safe, no stone’s left unturned
And we won’t stop until somebody gets burned
Bro Bro Bro Bro Bro Bro Brothers
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@ Cináed
There is very little possibility that these pretend German, Irish, Hungarian, American, and Swede are not Jews. I have known German, Irish, Swedish people and of course, Americans and Hungarians, and while most have their faults, they are nothing like these people. The single common factor with these people pretending here is that they are slimy and go after people whose opinions they do not like. They want to know their names, addresses, their employers and associates to do them harm. It is no accident that these people posted forgeries as Law, Ricsi, justasking and I. When they think they know the person’s actual name, they post forgeries using the actual name. I do not know any other group of people who uses these despicable and disgusting methods.
Americans will say to people who criticize America that if they do not like America, they should leave. I never had a problem with that because Hungarians, as a rule, do not smear the countries that give them homes, especially those Hungarians who escaped Communist oppression. This is because, “a magyar nem szarik oda ahol eszik.” I hope that you know enough Hungarian to read and understand this simple statement. I believe that, in general, this is also true for Germans, Irish, Swedish and Americans but not for Jews and that is what these people are doing.
It may possible, just possible that “wolfie” is a German as he claims but in that case, he would be a very unusual and one in a million slimy German. I do not believe that to be the case. You can go down the list and apply the same criteria to the others.
My simplest response to Jews who call Hungarians Nazis is that Hungarians are not Nazis but Israel and those who support racist, genocidal Nazi Israel are Nazis. I think that this is a fair response, every time they slander any Hungarian or Hungarian party.
“Curious George” has been also very free with his labeling of Hungarians and he is too cowardly to own up to his country of origin because there is plenty that shames him.
If those who oppose Jobbik and Jobbik supporters would dispense with their name-calling and their forgeries, I would see no need to remind them of their own shortcomings. I am perfectly willing and able to defend patriotic Hungarians without name-calling but I suspect that those who oppose an independent Hungary free from the bondage of international moneylenders, colonists and bloodsuckers are not willing to lay fair.
The least worthy is your statement that “I haven’t seen them call Hungarians names on the basis of their Hungarianness nor Hungary beyond what is common between other nations…” These pretend whatever been questioning the “Hungarianness” of everyone who expressed a support for patriotic Hungarians and Jobbik. Your failure to see the ugly and racist accusations and name calling from these people shows that you are not credible and “wolfie” thanking you proves that I pegged you right…
I may not have any use for your fake piety but I have seen worse. One, a particularly nasty Jew comes to mind using several aliases, one alias to attack another person using disgusting filth while his other alias to attack those who would respond negatively to his filth as if he were another person, pretending to be an impartial and well-tempered observer. It usually does not take long to find out these people but often they succeed in destroying any chance of a reasoned debate.
As you can see, the nastiness of these people has some intended and some unintended consequences. On one hand, they manage to drive many people away from public lists with their slime and filth but on the other hand, people get to know them for what they really are. Is it a win or a loss? You decide.
Mark:”These pretend whatever been questioning the “Hungarianness” of everyone who expressed a support for patriotic Hungarians and Jobbik.” That is not what I said. I haven’t seen anyone say words to the effect that ‘you are bad/evil/stupid because you are Hungariean’. I haven’t seen anyone say ‘All Hungarians are bad/evil/stupid’. I did not mention the topic of who or who is not Hungarian. What I am commenting on is the creation of the ‘other’, when in fact, these people are not your enemies…or at least, they don’t need to be.
-That you think that because these people do not fit your view of what their representative populations should be and so therefore they MUST be Jews seems to be an awfully huge leap. I just simply ask the question again…what if you’re wrong?
I too have met people from all over the world, lived and worked with people of different ages, religions and political ideals…what I know is that people are people all over the world. There are some sociologically cosmetic difference, but just like our DNA, there is far more alike in us than different. Your belief that they couldn’t possibly be ‘for real’ would take far more information than you could ever glean from an internet forum.
btw…that wolfi thanked me doesn’t reflect on me. If you read back, I have disagreed with him on more than one occasion.If you’re suggesting guilt by association is right, then you become even more scary or at best, is another witch hunt.
oh, and to refer to another part of your post…
How do you know it was ‘them’ that made all those posts? How do I know it wasn’t just you, or the actual posters doing it and then claiming they were being framed? How do I know that you have any credibilty, or integrity or honesty? Especially when Iknow personally there are those in your group who do the very same things you accuse others of.Because you say so? So why should you be believed and not them? What sets you apart?
Why should I listen to you and not them?
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Mark, what if you’re wrong?
@ Cináed
Another thing you should not bring up to a Hungarian is “witch hunt”. We thought that we have seen the end of those after the Rakosi and his Jews were so discredited that even the Soviets had enough of their sadistic ways but they continued under Kadar and continue under the Communist MSZP/SZDSZ government. There is nothing scary about my observation of what these people are but it is scary what they(you) are doing to Hungary.
@Mark: You have never written a truer word, this is exactly what is happening here: “As you can see, the nastiness of these people has some intended and some unintended consequences. On one hand, they manage to drive many people away from public lists with their slime and filth but on the other hand, people get to know them for what they really are.”
@ Cináed: “How do I know that you have any credibilty, or integrity or honesty?”
I could ask you the same question but I do not need to because you have no credibility with me. You try to defend the despicable and disgusting practice of your friends.
@Vándorló
Great! Does this mean that you will stop snooping after people whose opinions you do not like?
Murkybrain’s delusion of everyone with a different opinion being a Jew and having nothing better to do than snooping after him borders on paranoia …
It reminds me of a German joke about a “ghostdriver” (driving the autobahn in the wrong direction).
When he hears the announcement on the traffic radio:
There’s a ghostdriver on A 25, he turns to his wife laughing: Traffic radio never gets it right, there’s not just one ghostdriver but hundreds of them …
@Mark: People (I consider myself to be a member of this category of beasts, though you may object) are natural pattern matchers and pattern finders. One theory of psychology (ψ) called ‘Personal Construct Theory’ has this as its fundemental tenet which it expresses thus:
“Fundamental Postulate: a person’s processes are psychologically channelized by the ways in which he anticipates events.
Construction Corollary: a person anticipates events by construing their replications” (ref for more: http://bit.ly/bEmWzN )
In simple language it means I can’t help noticing patterns that are obvious to me and extending my ability to interpret the world with my ability to program tools (servers…) to extend my ability to analyse my world.
This simply makes me what I literally am a Homo Sapiens. Though at times, when rampant arseholes such as yourself and the other Jobbik fucks appear I can’t help thinking maybe I err towards Homo Ludens just to annoy you.
Excuse me for being myself, but I really don’t give a rat’s arse what you think.
And it is a pleasure to know it seems to upset you as much as a wasp stuck up your nose.
@Mark – “I make no bones about it that I will use whatever negatives there are about your country”.
I’m just curious – How does using negatives about my country help Hungary in any way? Would using the positives achieve the opposite effect?
@ Mark
Apologies to CG but after having coffee with him and promising not to tell , I have to in order to end the discussion about his country.
He is from NARNIA.
I never doubted for a second that people are who they claim to be – as in Swedish, German, British etc. Never doubted your having Hungarian origins and that you now live in the US.
Never doubted my son’s friend when he told me he was a Christian from Iraq and not Muslim. What on earth would be the point of lying?
On a different note. How does it make you feel that Americans are so hated in the world? How do you feel about personally be held responsible for
the war in Iraq? As if you had a choice.
Even 20 years ago, it was customary for Canadians traveling in Europe to have the Canadian flag displayed on their luggage or have Canadian flag pin on their clothes. I recently read an article by an American journalist lambasting young Americans in Europe with the Canadian flag on their knapsacks. He called them un-American, cowards etc. Maybe they were not “un-American” at all; maybe they were scared.
I know minorities are aware of hatred against them; are Americans? (According to my son in the USA University, the answer is NO. He said you have to travel to be aware. BTW, he likes the US, likes Canada more
When he was in Australia, he and his friends were leaving a bar ( Probably everone had a lot to drink) but some local guys coming out of the bar picked a fight on the “Yankee go home” theme.
Yes Americans are hated in many places. The Us bombed innocent
hungarian civilians in WW2. The US financed and armed the
greatest sadist in history: Joe stalin and his communists. The Us
destrpyed most of christian europe and then fought for Stalin so
that he could take the rest. No wonder the US is hated. So why
doesnt magyar sue the communists and those responsible? The
new Yor Times financed and published Karl Marx- shouldnt they
sue the NY Times? The Us banks financed Joe Stalin; why doesnt
magyar sue the the New York banks? there are plenty of litigation
possibilities. But show mercy to the American banks: they are all
bankrupt anyway.
So, this court in the US will rule in favor
the holocausters in the billions and go to the IMF and simply take the monies. Welcome to communism my friends.
Anonymous at February 13, 2010 11:32 PM
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No, it does not work that way
A court in the US does not decide who the IMF gives money to or not and cannot impose ‘inkasso’ on any IMF-money
At the moment Hungary is not loaning any more money from the IMF, Hungary is paying back, so IMF has no money to give to anyone who would win a court-case in the US or not
You are just one of these Jobbik illusionist who can make truth and common sense disappear in front of people’s eyes
Mark, other things aside, my original question has remained unaddressed. Your key assumption was that because the other posters here don’t behave in a way that believe is appropriate, that they must be Jews, to which I asked simply…what if you’re wrong?
These threads go around and around on who is and who isn’t qualified to speak based about issues relating to Hungary based on their ethnicity or location or a combination of both.
I know it is easy to revert to countering such questions with yet more questions of credibility or motive, but beyond what is written here, there is no other evidence.My point is that a lot of what you write about relates to your resentment towards Jews, which if what you write is true, seems justifiable.If, however, your assumption is wrong…and if that is wrong, then what else could be wrong? Whether you think I am credible or not is kind of irrelevent, as the question would stand were it posed by anyone else.
My concern is that victims of crimes often go on to become perpetrators of the same crimes, and so, uncomfortable as it may be, I don’t see anything inappropriate about confronting such issues.’Witch hunts’ have been present throughout history, not just by communists, but against perceived ‘heretics’ through the ages.If one does not stay vigilant to such tendencies, we all run the risk of becoming that which we hate.I have no particular hatred of you, nor do I hate Hungary or Hungarians, I’m just asking, what if you’re wrong?
Cináed “Mark, other things aside, my original question has remained unaddressed. Your key assumption was that because the other posters here don’t behave in a way that believe is appropriate, that they must be Jews, to which I asked simply…what if you’re wrong?”
I have addressed your question in some detail explaining that I base my conclusion their behavior. If it is not clear, read, “Mark at February 14, 2010 5:14 PM” again.
I would add that the ensuing flow of slime from the usual suspects further supports my findings.
Curious George: “I’m just curious – How does using negatives about my country help Hungary in any way? Would using the positives achieve the opposite effect?”
My message to those who criticize Hungarians for wanting to be free and independent in their own country has been for them to remove the log from their eyes, instead of focusing on the splinter in other’s eyes. It would help you gain some perspective before you criticize others.
Ok Mark, fair enough…you don’t believe you are wrong. …but my question wasn’t whether or not you believe you are right, but what if you are wrong?
You can call my views ‘fake piety’ and challenge my motives if you like, it is through the questioning of myself and others that I keep myself honest. I choose to write using a more sentimentalist style sometimes because I am aware that if I switched to my pragmatic and even cynical side, and used a heap of theoretical and academic sources, I’d be criticised for being arrogant or dismissed for just having ‘book learning’.My motive remains the same though.I want to learn more, understand more, and in some way, leave my small corner of the world a better place than I found it. I do like to read (though there is always more to read)and through considering the multiple messages from all kinds of places, one recurring theme I see, from Homer to the Bible to Tolstoy is that anger breeds hatred, and hatred breeds destruction. “Sing, O goddess, the anger of Achilles son of Peleus, that brought countless ills upon the Achaeans.” (Homer)
I admire your desire to improve the status of Hungary and to deal with the causes of its pain.I do, however, question your methods.I suggest that the communists were evil because they chose that as people, not because some were Jewish.(not all of them were)What if in removing the masks to reveal the face of evil, you reveal your own face? There are far more fulfilling things in life than seeking revenge.
@Olga
I do not question who you are but then, you do not slime and snoop around others. When did I ever say where I live? I said that I am a Hungarian-American and nothing else. When some of this slime said that I was not Hungarian, challenged me to prove that I was Hungarian, I never gave them anything because they are nothing to me. All this conjecture and snooping to locate my whereabouts is so typical of zionazis.
You are just confused and have no idea of the filth these people can spew at the families of those they do not like. Why do they attack the families? What do the families have to do with what we post?
Where is Ricsi? Where is Law? Where is Zsuzsa? How long do you think I will stick around this list? Just the short time I posted here I have seen people who oppose the colonists disappear. Hungarians, patriotic Hungarians living in Hungary hardly ever post here. Do you really think that you are getting a clue of what most Hungarians want from the people posting here?
Forgive me olga for sticking my nose in here…
“Why do they attack the families? What do the families have to do with what we post?” (Mark)
…but Mark, it was you that said Olga’s father would be ashamed of her. I thought it was really inappropriate of you to interject yourself into the relationship between father and daughter, especially when her father has passed away. Don’t you think there is a little bit of the pot calling the kettle black?
@Cináed
You are as slimy as the others are. I did not show any disrespect for Olga’s father. On the contrary, I believe that I would have liked him and he probably would have liked me. You are just slimy to compare my respectful comments about Olga’s father, calling him a patriotic Hungarian, with your slimy friends calling up the families of those they do not like to talk filth to them on the phone.
Olga is lost and she gets her ideas about Hungary and Jobbik from the enemies of Hungarian people. It is no surprise since the domestic and foreign press is either owned or given in to the zionazis. If she knew Hungarian and could view some of Jobbik’s material, she would think different.
When did I ever say where I live? I said that I am a Hungarian-American and nothing else
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Do you really think that you are getting a clue of what most Hungarians want from the people posting here?
Mark at February 15, 2010 7:58 AM
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Wrong (again)
‘Mark’ claimed in the beginning when his alias came at the same time the alias ‘Tom’ and ‘Tim’ disappeared, that he at least lived in the US and gave people impression he still lived there
‘Mark’ gave us stories of we had moved from one state to another and his new neighbours who were members of the National Rifle Association (NRA) and had a T-shirt with the US-flag and the text ‘Try to burn this one!’
‘Mark’ has also suggested that it would be better for Hungarians to grow up in the US, than Hungary, then US is the strongest country in the world
‘Mark’ also repeatedly claims, latest earlier in this thread, that ‘Hungarians’ never speak bad about the country they live in where they had fled from the Communists
That do not stop ‘Mark’ from day out and day in write posts that goes against any mainstream US-policies in the Middle East and the US very strong support to the Jewish State of Israel
If that would not be criticising the US, what would be?
It was the US, with all their (for good or bad) influential Zionist and Jewish Lobby groups that gave those people fleeing from Communism in Europe a home after WWII, and criticising that make-up, is then, according to ‘Mark’ own logic, criticising the country that Hungarians live in
Actually, I think you were disrespectful to Olga, and that you are just as capable of hitting below the belt as anyone. So we’re back to the same ol’ same ol’…and now I’ve become ‘as slimy as a slimy does.’ Who could ever question you?
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One thing we should all learn from history is that although we might be able to influence it, nothing will ever happen completely as we expect it to. There will always be unintended consequences and often, we can actually destroy the thing we are trying to save.
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Anyway, have a good week Mark.
@Cinaed
You have a lot to learn about the reality of Hungarians……
Don’t forget only in the last few years Hungarians have had the privilege to begin to research their origins, and even then they’re smeared by the likes of people like you who think because they have acquired a University education which has been influenced by Zionazis that you can go around bullying people with intellectual jargon, you’re drowning in Pride which is blocking all your chances of seeking the real truth of the reality of what is the best for Hungarians.
Mark has experience from dealing with the likes of slime balls like you and can see straight through the illusion you create
Go throw another Snag on the Barbie, just make sure it’s not pork, Zionist scum..
@ Mark and Cinaed
Mark: Re: “Hungarians, patriotic Hungarians living in Hungary hardly ever post here. Do you really think that you are getting a clue of what most Hungarians want from the people posting here?”
I asked Vandorlo months ago in a private email the same question – is this website representative of the Hungarina people’s opinions. He said no. I knew the average Hungarian didn’t post here because they don’t speak English, so my question was about the “opinions being representative”
BTW, correct me if I am wrong , but I believe that the majority of people on this website don’t get a vote in the election so it’s kind of a waste of time to advocate for any party.
My point about “hating Americans” was wondering how you felt about being hated for US foreign policy that you had nothing on earth do do with. Al Qaeda wants to kill any and all Americans, an “equal opportunity terrorist group” so to speak.
I am sure they didn’t care about the race or religion of the victims of 9/11 at the Tower or in the planes.
Cinaed: Only one question. Where the do you get your patience and if it’s available on line, please post website asap.
@Cecile: re “Zionist scum”
You either are a new pseudonym of one of the resident jobo loonies or another crazy – which I doubt.
Paranoia seems to be rampant in your circles – you really should see a doctor.
Not everyone who has a different opinion is a Zionist scum.
PS:
Thanks for making me (and probably a lot of people here) laugh at this bullshit!
@Olga: Just to underline the point, I would say of the 20-30 Hungarians I know that are at least proficiency level English speakers (ignoring all the rest that maybe anything from advanced down to Law’s level) not one of them uses any of these sites or, when I have asked people, know of them. As with Expatloop, Budapesttimes, the defunct BudapestSun etc… these sites (Caboodle, Politics.hu, Realdeal.hu, Pestiside.hu) really are only for expats.
If you want Hungarian opinions you have to go to Hungarian sources. Any of the newspapers that allow comments, any of the blog portals or twitter (or the aggregators (turulcsirip, twittertop etc…).
As much as I appreciate everything Erik et al., do to actually get news about Hungary that isn’t about dentures, implants, prostitutes or murders (pestiside aside), not much of it is known of or read by Hungarians. In fact, I have to say that most Hungarians I know – and they are all highly educated professionals – all extremely ill-informed about politics, finance, the constitution, history, language etc…
The basic rule is that they known what they know and don’t expect anyone to tell them otherwise. The 2nd rule is don’t mention politics, religion or history.
People are choosing willful ignorance over taking the trouble to deal with problems and make it their responsibility.
Sorry to be on a downer there, but all these MSZP, SZDSZ lefties blaming Fidesz for creating Jobbik make me sick. Again the ordinary person deserves it all.
@ Vandorlo
Re : “The basic rule is that they known what they know and don’t expect anyone to tell them otherwise. The 2nd rule is don’t mention politics, religion or history.”
That would have to be the result of the being brought up by parents and grand-parents who experienced WWII and the Communist era.
I don’t know what happens in the UK at election time (this does not happen in the US) but I would estimate that 35-50 % (depending where you live in Toronto) of the homes have a political party sign on their front lawn. When I first joined up as a volunteer with the Federal Liberals, that was my “job” phoning people from 6.30 p.m. after work until 9 p.m. asking for permission to post a sign on the lawn with the promise it would be removed the day after election. Our next door neighbours had 2 signs – Conservative and Liberal, the wife being the Conservative. She called me a bleeding heart and I called her a redneck (we are friends) Point is, that we advertise our political preferences.
Weird thing just happened: An email popped up from my one and only Tiszta Magyar girlfriend’s husband (also T.M) who knows I follow Hungarian politics.
It is 3 jpg pictures – with superimposed faces; the title “Hungarian Elections” – I recognize the people but don’t get the jokes.
It comes from “Gatveder.Hu” – I went to the website to find the pictures and post link but could not find pics. Anyway, Hungarians obviously poke fun of their candidates and politicians.
Olga,
Perhaps ironically, a lot of what has influenced my life comes from the Bible. I feel weird about posting passages of Scripture here, but if you want to hear it(and noone else objects) I will.
I have to agree with a lot of what Van said about attitudes towards politics in Hungary, and that these sites pick up predominantly expats and emigres. Most of the Hungarians I met when I was there really did not want to hear or talk about politics beyond calling them all corrupt liars who are all as bad as each other. I also found that they are for the most part, very normal people with the same human strengths and frailties as anyone I’ve met anywhere else. I have to say that the nation as a whole is very sad, and given the years of abuse and oppression this is entirely justifiable. Reluctantly, I have to say that I saw a lot of prejudice, but interestingly, most people I knew were more concerned with issues relating to Roma than Jews.I was based in Miskolc for a while, so perhaps that explains some of it.I have to say that the lack of voter interest and knowledge is a big problem, but I honestly don’t think that the more extreme posters here represent the majority of Hungarians I know.
I made some great friends while I was there and I still stay in contact with them.
@Olga: As you may know there will be elections in the UK this year, too. Some techy did a mock up of of the Conservative (nominally on the right, but most British politics in close to the center ground these days, thankfully) posters, allowing you to make your own: http://www.andybarefoot.com/politics/cameron.php?poster=169329
Plenty of clever alternatives, from an electorate that can take the piss out of itself. This may be the root source of most impasses here. Far too many people have their heads shoved too far up their own backsides and are simply incapably of laughing at themselves, even mocking false self-deprecation seems too much to ask.
Once I start seeing people taking the piss out of their own parties and not the opposition, I’ll know there’s progress.
Van: I think you’re right about that. As a friend of mine says “Sometimes we all just need to get over ourselves.”
Hi Vandorlo and Cinaed
If you ever see the 3 pictures I referred to, I believe Mark’s expression “liba tolvaj” is the
joke since goose are prominently featured with known politicians
Off topic, since it’s not related to Hungary but you both have “British Connections”
Met someone “very British” at a party; He is in Toronto for a year, will then return to London. He was discussing the proliferation of right-wing parties in Europe.
This was his opinion on the BNP and it surprised me. The party will never be taken seriously by the British people because they hate anything that’s “Nazi”; they associate the word with Germany. They still hate Germans and Germany for attacking Britain in WWII. (it was clear that it was not the mass murder of Jewish and non-Jewish victims in Europe that was “unforgivable” but the ATTACK on Britain.) I said the young people must feel differently.
He said no, and if I had doubts, I should see a British football game when Germany or France is involved and check out the chants. He then recited a chant that France would eat sourkraut if not for the British, and chants against Germans. Jaj!
If what he said was true true, then while Mark hates dead Communists, Brits still hate Germany for the 65+ years ago attack & pass these feelings to their children. Hope you tell me it’s “rubbish” as the British say and these feeling just reflect those of a minority.
Wolfi – have you ever heard this?
BTW, he said terrible things about the “Left” as
as well.
Olga: “…then while Mark hates dead Communists,…”
This is where you are wrong. I hate the Communists who renamed themselves Socialists or Social Democrats and continue to exploit and destroy the Hungarian nation. They are still the same people but their methods have changed some but their goal is to destroy and steal everything the Hungarians have. You think that some of Erik’s topics give you an idea what goes on in Hungary. They do not. They are worse because they present a picture of Hungarian conditions based on lies and half-truths.
Jobbik is not in power and was never in power. Fidesz is not in power. The Communist MSZP/SZDSZ coalition has been in power for eight years subjugating Hungary’s interests to the internationals but mostly to Israel. The leader of the Communists is a Jew today just as it was a Jew during the Kohn and Rakosi terror. There are still political prisoners in Hungary and they are still held on made up charges. The raw power of the ruling Communists is not as open but it was never all that open even during the Rakosi years. Even Rakosi’s Jewish AVO took people away in the middle of the night and people just disappeared. Those who talked about publicly also disappeared. Today, we know about the political prisoners but they are still kept largely in isolation.
I have not seen Ricsi, Law or Zsuzsa post. Pava and Bob are Hungarians, very informed and patriotic Hungarians but I do not see them around any more and I am about to end my tenure here. When I stop posting, you will be the only Hungarian, a Hungarian who does not speak Hungarian on this list. I was asked to look into this list by some friends and I did it. I stand behind my earlier conclusions about the make up of the posters.
I am not going to contest anything you and your friends, those bloodsuckers who are only interested in what they can steal from Hungarians, think you know about me but I will tell you that your father and I would have been friends, very good friends.
If my patriotic Hungarian brothers and sisters do not succeed, Hungary may fall prey to international predators. When some day you visit Hungary and wonder why everything is owned by corporations, the people are very poor and without any opportunity for any kind of decent life you should remember that you could have been with those who wanted a better future for Hungarians but chose to side with the bloodsuckers.
We are all responsible for our actions and ignorance, especially willful ignorance is no excuse.
Isten veled…
My apologies for not mentioning Farkas László whom I consider a decent Hungarian. His interests and his style are different from my interests and style and my failure to mention was not intended as anything other than a mistake. László, we need your kind of persuasive warriors and you are appreciated.
@Olga: About British people hating Germans …
Well I may be biased, because one of my sisters married an Englishman, but still …
Even befor they married I regularly went to England, mainly to London to buy science fiction books, but also to the country.
Usually people would take me for Scandinavian, because my spoken English was not “typical German”. When they heard I was German there never was any animosity, even withe the proprietors of the sf bookshop, a group of young Jews. Although they told me they would never go to Germany because of what happened to their relatives there, we often had interesting talks and drank a lot of that German beer that I usually brought in my car.
I have several fond memories, like the one evening when I retrned from a rock concert at Sheperd’s Bush to the hotel bar for a beer (Pubs used to close at eleven, but hotel bars could stay open for guests) to get into talking with two forresters. One was welsh (I still have his business card), the other lived in Scotland but told me his father was a pilot from Poland who stayed in Scotland during WW2. He not only had a German shepard dog, but also both of them remembered their visit to the forresters in the black forest and the wonderful food and beer there …
Mark at February 16, 2010 8:08 AM:
“I hate the Communists who renamed themselves Socialists or Social Democrats and continue to exploit and destroy the Hungarian nation”
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Politics on European Continent is normally who are the best ‘Social Democrats’, sometimes it is the party calling themselves ‘Socialists’, sometimes it is the party calling themselves ‘non-Socialist’
Another way of describing this is
‘How big should the Nanny-State be’
For a US-citizen like Mark, with their hysterical ObamaCare debate, this is of course totally not understandable and he will see ‘Communists’ behind every bush on the European Continent
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“Jobbik is not in power and was never in power. Fidesz is not in power”
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For some reason Mark forgot that Fidesz *been* in power for 4 years since ‘System Change’ 1990
And they were voted out of office
Mark and his ‘ilk’ are claiming things will be different now when Fidesz returns to power, but always refuses to answer *how* it will be differently and *how* the ‘Communists’ will be not allowed to ‘return’?
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“The leader of the Communists is a Jew today just as it was a Jew during the Kohn and Rakosi terror”
Kadar was not a ‘Jew’ and he lead Hungary for the most of the period 1945-88 (when he died)
Was Hungary a ‘Good Place’ then, or does not being a ‘Jew’ or not being the most important criteria?
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“There are still political prisoners in Hungary and they are still held on made up charges”
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Not true, they would be regarded as political motivated terrorists in any decent country
What can be criticised is the long process-time between arrest and court-appearance where they would be able to defend themselves
My understanding of this is that there is no interest to have the court trial before the Elections, then it could disturb Fidesz ‘guaranteed’ win
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“We are all responsible for our actions and ignorance, especially willful ignorance is no excuse”
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Totally true and shows 2 things:
a) Mark and Law do not agree
When I have written the same statement, Law has claimed that I am
miss-using my ‘Free Will given to me by God’ and actually no real free to perform good actions will ever exist, it is a typical neo-liberal thing to oppress the people
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Try to make logic of that, I cannot
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b) Even a Blind Hen can pick a Gold Corn
@Olga: cont.
Another example: I once went on a business trip to Pughkeepsie (IBM headquarters in NY state) and arrived over the weekend. At the swimming pool some young people started talking to me and it turned out that there was a big “bar mitzvah” with a lot of wealthy Jews over the weekend.
These young Jews showed no animosity at all to me, they wanted to know how things were in Europe and we had several lively discussions. It almost looked as if they were waiting for me in the evening when I returned from my trips to Manhattan (took the fast train to Central Station every morning).
@Olga: That Brit you met sounds like a complete p**** The last person I heard go on about Germans was a conservative minister from 15-20 years ago. He quickly lost his job.
Football chants are the measure of nothing since the aim is to intimidate and unsettle. It rarely has anything to do with real feelings. The crowds behaviour is deindividuation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deindividuation ) at work that, nothing more or less. Go to a Liverpool derby match and you will hear scouser hating scouser (e.g. http://www.nsno.co.uk/229p-Everton-Chants.html ). Better still go to go to a Liverpool-Man U game and the level of expressed hate is palpable. Is it real? Only if you are a tosser.
Honestly, outside of Basil Faulty I hve never met anyone, and I mean *anyone*, in my life that seriously hated Germans. Now their are plenty of people that get upset with the French over Europe, but hate is a ridiculous word to use in this context.
A story though. Obviously once it was a terrible thing to be German or associated with Germany, particularly around the I & II WWs. There were plenty of internment camps around Britain where innocent Germans, Japanese and other foreigners were imprisoned without warrant, trial or proof.
Well years ago a really good friend of mine found out something surprising resulting from those times. Her grandmother had just died and they were going through all her papers doing all the legal paperwork. As her grandmother was a very active member of the local community..
…there was lots to sort through. Her grandmother had been a staunch Church of England goer all her life (and hated Catholics vehemently), was a signed up Tory (Conservative) of the old school and as part of her endearing charm hated anything foreign with a bitter passion.
Her Husband had been pretty much the same, though he had died much earlier in life some 20 years before. He was a very quiet and reserved man. Not one to waste words. His son and daughter had both grown up as much more accommodating sorts than their parents. In fact one of them, the son, found he had a gift for languages and ended up moving abroad and working in translation and editorial fields. The daughter, though, had always struggled with languages. At school she found her German homework pretty impossible to do and never got very far. She did manage to scrape passes in French and Latin however – but only just.
Anyway, so there they are now sitting sorting through her mother’s papers and they find a letter clearly marked “Not to be read until after my death”. They open in and read together in pretty much what one could only call astonishment that their father was in fact German. Their mothers dying wish being that no-one should ever find out.
Of course, none of her peers did find out, but such attitudes belong well in the past and now are just something to marvel at in disbelief.
But the thing that really irked the daughter was the knowledge that her Dad never helped her with her German homework.
Mark:
“They are still the same people but their methods have changed some but their goal is to destroy and steal everything the Hungarians have. I don’t disagree necessarily.” I actually agree with you that when it comes to the ‘modern’ communists, it’s ‘same shit different day’. I think the average Hungarian needs to become more politically active, and so at least on this, Jobbik is stimulating political discussion. I only disagree with your equating being a communist with being Jewish as a matter of course, and your view that because someone questions you or doesn’t fit your world view that they must be ‘slimy’ or again, Jewish.
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“We are all responsible for our actions and ignorance, especially wilful ignorance is no excuse.” I couldn’t agree more, which is why I think one must be careful deciding on what their values and principles will be. ‘Each man works out his own salvation with fear and trembling.’
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“I have not seen Ricsi, Law or Zsuzsa post. Pava and Bob are Hungarians, very informed and patriotic Hungarians but I do not see them around any more and I am about to end my tenure here.”
Actually, I have seen all of these post within the last few days on other threads. Maybe they are reading but not posting on this thread. I agree with you about FL, I think he should be PM
-You have tenure here? I’m impressed. Ok, sorry for being a smart-arse.
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I want to just reinforce my aim is to try to engage in debate with you, not attack you or piss you off.
Van and Olga,
As Van said with Britain, Germans and Japanese were interned during the war in Australia. After the war, with much of Germany and Japan in ruins, many of these former internees stayed. At that time, there were also huge numbers of refugees who came to Australia from Europe.Many of these became crucial to Australia’s public works development projects of the post-war era. There has been relatively more racist attitudes towards anyone of darker skin tone (black, Asian, middle eastern), especially in the years of the ‘white Australia’ policy. I would also have to be honest in saying that there was more post-war resentment towards Japanese than German; the immediacy of the war makes that no surprise.My grandfather (who died a few days after Christmas 2009)fought the Japanese on the front lines when it seemed we were done for, but never held any grudges.When as a young adult I asked how he felt about it, he said simply ‘the war ended 40 years ago, it was a different time, and they’re just people like us’.Incidentally, although officially Hungary had been our enemy, my grandmother supported a Hungarian family financially and with other stuff like blankets and clothes. I still have the photos and letters from them back in my box of stuff in Au. They both had a big influence on me.
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As to the chants of football hooligans etc…many Australians were very disturbed when with the growth of football (soccer) in Au, there was also a growth in crowd violence during and after games…especially between teams with Balkan players.There was a very strong reaction of “don’t bring your shit here”. We mock the hell out of the Brits when they come here to play cricket and they mock us back. Many Australians find the arrogance and relative ignorance of many Americans as uncomfortable, but no-one would ever question our social, military and economic ties.Most recently, the race-related crises most talked about have been the Cronulla riots…ignorant, racist, right-wing extremist nationalist thugs running amok smashing things and attacking Lebanese people (& anyone perceived to be ‘Leb’) while draped in Australian flags and shouting ‘Australia for Australians’ (whatever THAT means), and the recent outrage at violence against Indians, which again reflects a hatred of the non-white.I actually don’t think it’s only Indians who are victims of this, but that the Indians as a group are the most organised and effective in raising outcry.We shouldn’t forget Pauline Hanson too, who’s platform was based on ideas of the ‘Asian invasion’, Australia for Australians, the degrading morals of society, and fewer handouts for blacks.AS A WHOLE though, Australia is not racist, because all of these movements have been rejected by the community in favour of tolerance and mutuality.
All in all, Australia has immigrants from every other country in the world, and I’m sure that every single one can lay claim to being important in the nation’s development.There are racist elements in Australia, and there are times when it is stronger than others, but while the country struggles to come to terms with its social evolution, it’s very rare to hear someone say “I HATE THEM”.Most Australians I know don’t really have a problem with anyone in particular coming into the country, though more recent hysteria relating to Muslims and a fear of asylum seekers, especially ‘boat people’ remains a big issue.Australia is politically further left than the US, but don’t misread that as communist.Australians have a historical rejection of govt interference in their personal lives (Eureka Stockade, Ned Kelly, the Australia card referendum), unless of course you are unemployed, which is probably one of the worst sins you can commit.
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The election of Kevin Rudd was seen by many as a sign that the community didn’t want to move any further right with John Howard’s Liberal govt (Liberal is the conservative party) and that it was time to deal with the growing rifts along ethnic lines.
@Cinaed
You’re an Australian embarrassment; If you would be savvy to who is running the nation and that there is no significant difference between Liberal or Labor and are strategically controlled by IMF,US , UK , and corporate interest groups.
Also when in Hungary anyone with basic social skills will quickly be able to determine that the Jews are supporting the Neo Liberals, who are the ex communists that tortured and stole the country from Hungarians. You just love to waffle lies from mainstream media, you seriously are naïve.
Any well traveled person as you claim to be would have awoken to the real facts to what is happening globally and by you just spilling your guts has reiterated that Mark had you sussed as a slime eons ago.
Now that Murkybrain and Lawless and Bobintheshithouse etc have left the building – the reincarnation of the jobo spirit: Cecile – just what the world has been waiting for, seems to be a kind of loonie jobo “group mind” …
@ all who responded
I am really glad the British “animosity” toward Germans/Germany was hogwash. Maybe all that resentment against Germans had little to do with the war and had to do with his German wife/girlfriend dumping him.
Mark – I do speak Hungarian. 7 days a week to my Mom. Even understood “Egri Csillagok” a few years ago. Unfortunately I am lost when reading political articles.
I would have paid attention to your opinions about “slimy Communists” if you did not keep writing “slimy Jews” “Slimy Communist Jews”. I have lots of Jewish friends and such words make me absolutely cringe. I simply wasn’t brought up with hate towards different nationalities and/or religions. I was brought up to hate “Communists” but they are not a race or religion where I come from.
Olga, I think your last post was well put.
I forgot to mention before, I have known quite a few people who lived through the blitz in England during the war, and I don’t recall anyone expressing hatred for the Germans as a people afterwards. Mostly, they speak of the fear of the bombs and the impending invasion, as well as the general fear of the Nazis. For the most part, (post-war) they felt that the German civilians were not to blame for their government’s behaviour. Every now and then I hear joking references to the war on TV, (Top Gear etc), but to be honest, I hear more about the competition between the English and French than I do about the English and Germans.
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The question about attitudes towards the Jews by Western countries is a bit more complicated. On one hand there was condemnation about the camps etc, but then again, it’s not like they all went out of their way to help. (refusing to let Jews in etc) Van could probably tell you more about the UK position on that than me though.
@ Mark;
I’m still around. Lately, more just into reading what everybody has been posting as opposed to commenting. Don’t know about Law, Ricsi, Bobs etc…maybe they found others site??
It surprises me how little is actually discussed
on this site about Hungarians and the issues that
affect them most at the moment.
I know an election is imminent but people
feel despondent and are not optimistic
about the future irrespective of the outcome
at the ballot box. Money and jobs are scarce.
I was informed today that a marvelous little restaurant that I visited last week in Szekesfehervar has closed down.
One more business bites the dust. But goes unnoticed because this is the rule rather than the exception.
@ Cinaed
“Put the myths of the ancient constitution and the early church together, and you have a view of history as decline from an original state of perfection, in politics and also in religion. Innovation is equated with tyranny in politics and heresy in religion. Virtue consists of defending what is left of the old, more perfect system and, if possible, restoring the original government or church. Progress is redefined as regress — movement away from the wicked present toward the pure and uncorrupted past.”
Now, does the paragraph not apply to present day problems in Hungary? For the full article:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2010/02/15/american_political_culture?source=newsletter
@pacemaker: Yes, the economic situation in Hungary right now is bad, really bad (just ask my neighbours). But can the posters here do, most of them (like me) can’t vote, some don’t even live here …
The only thing I can do is spend money wisely and help the people I know – and that is what I do every day …
It is up to the Hungarian people and their elected representatives (not only in parliament but also locally) to do something – like fighting against corruption, but that seems very, very difficult.
Hungary for example needs more whistleblowers and more people in the judicial system who fight against corruption …
Mark wrote:”When I stop posting, you will be the
only Hungarian, a Hungarian who does not speak
Hungarian on this list. I was asked to look into
this list by some friends and I did it.”
So… the end of the “assignment” eh? I guess you
took on an important Mission and really succeeded
beyond all expectations!
You did succeed in making me laugh a number of
times with your over the top paranoia and twitchy
urges to call anyone within earshot a non-
Hungarian-Jew!! You have succeeded beyond my
wildest dreams in educating me that crazed hate-
filled-mental-cases really ARE like they are
represented in the movies! My only regret is that
in all these text-only postings I was never able
to visually confirm the steady stream of spittle
that surely leaks from your mouth as you focus
your hate like a laser beam on the difficult task
of pasting text into Google’s “language tools”!
One day I hope you can find and re-read these old
posts as a wiser person who was able to shake off
the hate and find inner peace on some level and
realize that people are culpable based on what
THEY do and not what other people of similar
nationality/race do. And BOY will you be
ashamed!
Good riddance!
@bystander:
We have an old joke about someone leaving a company whom nobody liked:
We’ll give you a big farewell party with lots of everything – two days after you’re gone, Mark!
Pacemaker, yes, the topics wander a bit and often get onto wider world issues.This is not irrelevent to Hungary though, as like it or not, Hungary’s relationship with the world greatly affect its social and economic development.In terms of population issues, many Hungarians have emigrated to other countries, or because of Trianon, found themselves in other countries as a result of border changes.All of these issues, and their subsequent issues still affect the lives of Hungarians in profound ways.Finally, many of the patrons here are expats or Hungarians living outside of Hungary, therefore, much of what is written reflects these various reference points for reflection.So hang in there, eventually things generally do get back to the point, even if things take ‘the path less travelled’.
Jesus said “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.” (Matthew 5:8). Purity of heart cannot be faked, and God cannot be mocked. The scribes and the Pharisees came to be baptized to the river Jordan but John the Baptist rebuked them, because he saw what was in their heart, he saw their dishonesty and pretence. They sought to appear pure and righteous but inside were full of darkness:
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness. (Matthew 23:27)
Pride is the opposite of humility. One cannot be pure if they are prideful, thinking they don’t need God, or believing they know better than God. There are puritans, who practice outer purity, but what is in their hearts? Did they really give their lives in God’s hands? Have they surrendered? Do they trust God? So many people try to control God, instead of allowing God to guide them.
@Gabriel:
The bible is full of nice fairy tales – but who believes any of this ?
Most intelligent people here are atheists. Maybe you should read “The god delusion” by Richard Dawkins. I just saw the Hungarian edition of this really enlightening book.
PS: Right now there are a lot of scandals about the catholic church and the pedophile priests in Germany, USA, Ireland and who knows where. Nice contrast to those bible verses …
Even atheists have their own idea about God, which allows them to totally disregard him. And this is impurity.
There is no shortcut to God, but there is a clear Way. And it is the Way of Being.
False wisdom is present in other areas of life, specially in science which denies the existence of God, and in various materialistic philosophies (Marxism, communism, Darwinism, scientific materialism) which claim that man is nothing but a fancy animal, without a divine spark. But these ideologies are not widely accepted because the majority of people know that the truth is different, they feel it in their hearts, and no one can convince them there is no God. Therefore, much more dangerous are those who twist the truth in subtler ways, giving you some truths, or even many truths, but then inserting lies which finally lead you astray.
If you are not Being who you really are in God, then you are living in an illusion and your life is a waste of time.
As soon as we think we know what’s best for us and our life, without having asked God first, we are in the realm of Conscious You. We pursue more of the things of this world, instead of More of God that we are. It will never bring us true satisfaction, but it will keep us busy for the rest of our life.
Conscious You has worldly wisdom. It knows how to get more – outside of God.
What is the more outside of God? It is all that we crave for when we don’t have fulfilment in God:
A perfect partner (human love)
Material abundance
Worldly success and recognition
Those are the top priorities of the Conscious You. If we are not one with God, we are bound to crave for those (with more or less stress on one or the other, depending on the person).
In oneness with God, we already have God as our perfect partner.
We already have abundance – spiritual abundance as the flow of love and light between us and God, and between us and our brothers and sisters.
And we already have success – we are Being who we are and sharing our light, and thus fulfilling our reason for Being.
Our planet is ruled by Conscious You, who sets criteria for personal happiness and success. Conscious You even motivates us to personal growth, so that we become more capable of getting what we want. But again, if what we want is not God, it is ultimately a false quest.
Many people today don’t know who they really are, not even what their talents are. Many children are suppressed in their Being, either because the parents are overprotective (which indicates they lack faith that God would keep their children safe) or because the child doesn’t behave “properly”, according to some human standard.
Education system doesn’t encourage creativity either. It is a mechanical, one-size-fits-all system, where the stress is on memorizing data and facts (gaining outside “wisdom”) instead of developing children’s inherent curiosity and learning through a creative process – through Being.
Most of the students choose college based on what is most lucrative in terms of later finding a well-paid job, or having a diploma of a prestigious university – which also means better career opportunities. So the motivation is often based on worldly ideals, and not what would really make us happy. And, we often don’t even know what would make us happy (we haven’t discovered our talents), so we are bound to follow the dictates of the society, the dictates of the Conscious You.
The society today is built on the premises of the Conscious You false wisdom, and is very far from God’s vision for this planet. And that’s because the majority of people are not in touch with their true selves. Many people are caught in the “system”, working for others, not loving their jobs, but yet feeling they cannot break free because they don’t how else they would support themselves.
We are burying our talents in the ground and living to eat, not eating to live. We are here to shine our light – the light of the Son – but instead we are busy with mortal pursuits. And all because we forgot who we are.
If this “Gabriel” continues – well at least he doesn’t tell us that he is Jesus …
@ Gabriel;
I do believe in God, more then I do in myself some-days. That does not mean that I leave everything up to Him to sort out for me.
Your example of children being suppressed by parents who do not fully believe that God will keep them safe, is one I take the most offence to. As their Mother, as a tool of God, I have to reduce those risks, as best I can from the knowledge/experience that I have, and God will do his part in keeping my babies safe. I just don’t dump everything onto him and when things go South, blame HIM for not doing HIS part and absolving me of any responsibility.
The education system is not there to raise my children, discovering their “creativity” and so forth. I am accountable for them, me. I educate them on what I have been taught is important/valuable/moral, whatever word you want to use. Besides, what kind of creativity does a young child really have except curiosity?attitude and ditch the Ego shall we? My relationship to God is between HIM and me, and I don’t need some moron sticking his nose into something he knows shit about.
Unless, I am given a step by step manual, one that covers every scenario that occurs in my life, another one on how to handle every faze my children go through, I’ll just keep plugging along and try to live this life the best way that I know how. I am suppose to stumble, I am suppose to find my way, that is what God wanted from us mortals down here.
So please, lets just save the Holier than Thou
I don’t know what happened when I was doing the spell check; but, for some reason, paragraph’s got split up and shuffled about. Does not matter, I’m sure the gist of what I wanted to say has been conveyed.
PS No, I have not hit the bottle and am completely sober.
I think Gabriel might’ve missed his/her target
audience on this “blast”… Nothing against
religion, etc. but I keep waiting for the spam
message about some weird TV station or whatever
it’ll be this time…
Bystander…out of curiosity, I clicked on Gabriel’s link and yep, it’s a weird one.
Zsuzsa…hi, how are things? I think your post pretty much hit the nail on the head.There was another really good post of yours that I thought was excellent and wanted to comment on a few days ago, but alas, I have lost it and can’t remember enough of it to do a search.
Olga…I read the ‘tea party’ article you posted and thought it was interesting. It reminded me to finish a review of an article I started ages ago. I have written a longer version that I’ll put on my website soon, and have an abridged version I’ll post here. I personally see the study of history as really being about ‘the sociology of yesterday’…and that as such, it’s more about what’s happening today than what happened back then.
to all…I recognise the need to try and make posts shorter, so if you’re nice, then I’m sorry if this is not interesting to you; please scroll past it without reading. On the other hand, if you’re going to be nasty…well, perhaps you can ask Gabriel where to go. I’m sure he’ll tell you.
Hungary
Author(s): István Deák
Source: The American Historical Review, Vol. 97, No. 4 (Oct., 1992), pp. 1041-1063
Published
Something I found interesting about this article is the place that historiography has played in public mood and politics. Deak shows that because of this, historians have had a greater influence in Hungarian politics than economists. He describes how although the first half of the 19th century had seen a drive towards economic and social reform with Szechenyi’s “Credit” being the most influential book of the period, “…by the second half of the nineteenth century, preoccupation with Hungary’s past, its historic rights and its historical mission again pre-empted other more important problems in parliamentary politics.” Deak suggests Hungary could be better off if a greater interest were shown in banking, economics and development. He also argues: “even if inspired historians have used history not to inflame nationalistic passions but to illuminate errors and crimes of the past, a good part of the public has preferred to identify with those historians whose main goal has been to incite hostility toward outsiders, minorities, and aliens.” Deak goes on to outline how the shifting fortunes of the power elite influenced the way history was recorded, also discussing how issues that figure largely in historical writing reflected questions of identity in response to contemporary events.
(cont)
. He describes that the recording and re-recording of history at pivotal times has been central to the development and maintenance of Hungarian identity. He cites perennial issues such as the origins of the Magyar and their settlement in the Carpathian basin, the nation’s position as bastion of Christianity, as well as the forgery of camp songs by Thaly to promote a romanticised version of Hungarian culture after an extended period of secularisation. Remembering that this article was written in 1992, we have to fill in the blanks between then and now. Nevertheless, I think his main theme remains relevant. Ss with all peoples, the establishment of history is central to cultural and national identity, and that because Hungary has been at the intersection of political, ideological and cultural fault-lines, it is no surprise that its history is so contested. To add to this is the humiliation of having been dismembered and “declassified” (to use a Durkheimian term) to be on equal (or lesser) terms with the newly created states when it had after centuries of development become a middle-power. This, combined with the unresolved and unrecognised grief of the communist years has led to a continuing struggle to define what being Hungarian really is. As Deak states…(cont)
“A long, drawn-out discussion on Hungarian nationhood is also taking place, the questions being what makes a nation and who are the Hungarians. Many are reluctant to accept the fact that a Hungarian, or a German, or a Russian, or a Jew is a person who considers himself or herself a member of that nation. What seems to motivate this debate is the still-lingering enmity between the “populist” and “urbanist” writers, which, according to some pessimists, has never amounted to more than the enmity of country-bred intellectuals toward their more sophisticated Jewish counterparts. This conflict is further aggravated by the populist, and popular, resentment of the vastly disproportional Jewish presence in the pre-1956 Stalinist leadership; conversely, the radical democratic dissidents, who had been instrumental in ending Communist rule in Hungary but who themselves were often children of former Stalinist leaders, resent the populists’, and the people’s, easy toleration of the Kadar regime.”
Deak closes his article with a note of cautious optimism for the future. “Hungary’s present leadership is ideologically “national liberal,” which makes it somewhat similar to the moderate Republicans in the United States. The right wing of the governing coalition is, however, vocally nationalistic, anti-Semitic, and increasingly critical of the West, specifically of the United States. There exists a small possibility that the past may be rewritten again, in an ultra-conservative and xenophobic vein. This is, however, only speculation. Today, freedom is unfettered in Hungary.” Was Deak’s speculation prophetic? Perhaps this is a question that can only be answered by the Hungarian people and perhaps this year’s election will give some clue as to the outcome.
@ Wolfi, justasking, Cinaed:
Wolfi – you are the eternal optimist. “If this “Gabriel” continues – well at least he doesn’t tell us that he is Jesus .” – It’s only a matter of time that he will.
Justasking: “ Re: “ My relationship to God is between HIM and me, and I don’t need some moron sticking his nose into something he knows shit about.” – you do get to the point. Agree. So I figured out why you are on the wrong side of the political spectrum. It’s the lactose intolerance. (hope you know I am kidding)
Cinaed: The reason I posted the Salon article is to show that Hungary is not as “unique” as one is led to believe. To borrow Zsuzsa’s style because which gets right to the point: – “same old shit” different continent.
Olga, that everyone looks to ‘the good old days’ is certainly a very normal human thing…not just at a national level either. As a history enthusiast, I find the idea of ‘moral decay’ really interesting. Whenever I hear it, I think to myself…’I wonder what ideal time they are thinking of.’ I can’t actually think of a time when someone somewhere wasn’t engaging in behaviours that we would positively cringe at now. I also think we’re all pretty good at ‘cleaning up’ the memories of things we’ve done. “In my day, children listened to their parents…” Yeah, like the current generation invented skipping school, smoking drugs, having affairs etc etc…They say prostitution is the world’s oldest profession, and let’s not forget Cain’s murder of Able, or Adam and Eve’s indulgence. My view is that people are people, and haven’t changed a whole lot as long as history has been recorded. The ‘ideal’ past is a myth. We’re just as moral/immoral now as we have ever been, the only things that have really changed are technology and population size, As such, while we really should be learning from our mistakes, we should be applying that knowledge. We should be looking to how we can improve the future, not recreate the past.
@ Olga;
Spasms, from the inability to digest lactose occurs, believe it or not, in my GI track and not in my brain. I choose to be on the Right side of the Political spectrum, because that is the way it should be. Okay, Okay, in my opinion, that’s the way it should be for that makes sense.
@ Cinaed
The past was not all that great – just some people’s memories of the past. It reminds of an elderly widow (she used to be my babysitter) whose husband could have won the “Bastard of the Year Award” (physically abusive) became Mr. Saint after his death. When I pointed that out, she told me we must not speak ill of the dead (?)
BTW, about kids respecting their parents – do you remember a “complaint” about how disrespectful “today’s youth is” and it was written by either Socrates or Plato. Can’t remember but it’s a famous quote.
So I totally agree with you – the past is a myth.
I read that you believe in the Bible – I don’t. I believe in God and decided long ago that he doesn’t want us to believe in the Bible, nor in organized religion. So I kind of have my own church. Congregation of one.
Dear Justasking
“I don’t know what happened when I was doing the spell check?”
This was not the real you writing it was the Conscious You, your ego retaliating to reading spiritual truth of Being. Thankyou
@Cináed: “The good old days” obviously is a crappy idea.My wife and I often share memories of how our parents lived and even our grandparents, working all day and knowing that they would never “make it”, no chance for regular people like them, just go on working ’til you’re old and then just die …
Sometimes when she cooks or we go to a restaurant, we realise – we live like kings or at least princes …
But people of course take everything for granted. On another forum, mainly populated by people from former East Germany, many wrote “we had it better in the DDR” – can you imagine this ? It seems some people in Hungary have similar beliefs, they conveniently forget what life was like.
I read a statement once by the famous science fiction (and science fact) writer Isaac Asimov. When someone in the US asked him about “the good old days”, he answered: What would have been the chances of a poor Jewish country boy in a Russian village ?
His autobiography makes for fascinating reading …
@Cinead: Very interesting commentary!
@Olga: I found this:
“The children now love luxury; they have bad
manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for elders and
love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the
servants of their
households. They no longer rise when elders enter
the room. They
contradict their parents, chatter before company,
gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize
their teachers.
ATTRIBUTION: Attributed to SOCRATES by Plato,
according to William L.
Patty and Louise S. Johnson, Personality and
Adjustment, p. 277
(1953).” The quote is commonly attributed to
Socrates, but apparently there is
no conclusive evidence that he actually said it.
The Greek philosopher Plato studied under
Socrates. Plato complained
about the youth of the day, also. “What is
happening to our young
people? They disrespect their elders, they disobey
their parents. They
ignore the law. They riot in the streets inflamed
with wild notions.
Their morals are decaying. What is to become of
them?”
from http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?
id=408989
@ Gabriel;
Of course it was my Ego retaliating, how could it not?
Basically what you wrote, was that as a person and as a parent, I am falling way short and because you “see the light”, you are somehow, superior to me.
How dare you? What do you know what it takes to be a parent? What do you know about me and what I have experienced in this life to tell me that I am lacking?
Excuse me, but my God, does not put conditions on His love. “You do this or else I won’t love you.” Bullshit. He knows me, warts and all and loves me none the less. That is love. That is my God.
You know what I think? (Oh, I know you don’t; but, too bad.) I think that when we die, your ass gets sat down and you are shown a movie. The movie is the life that you just lived and you have to explain everything that you did. You know, held accountable for ALL your actions, decisions etc. At that point, if HE is not happy with my answers and not YOU, I get sent back again to try it all over again and again and again, until something clicks and I get it right enough to go to the next level. He is not punishing me, He is teaching me.
So you remember that, as you sit so smug and all knowing and judgemental above others.
@ Bystander a
That’s it!!
Dear Justasking
Go to the URL link. Who is the counseling for?
This counseling is for people who have emotional or psychological problems, who don’t feel happy with their lives. They might have personal or relationship problems, poor finances or another area which represents a major cause of frustration. Even though they have tried many things, they cannot seem to find a solution.
It is also for people who lead a relatively satisfactory lives in the material sense, and yet they feel that something is missing. They are looking for a deeper meaning and purpose, which their so-far way of life hasn’t provided. They are slowly losing their enthusiasm because material success doesn’t satisfy them any longer. They want more.
Solution to those and similar problems exists, and it is within us. When we decide to take an honest look at ourselves, we will discover how we limit ourselves and our happiness. By removing emotional and psychological blocks, we will also discover our qualities and strengths and find the inner source of creativity and abundance – our true self. We will then be able to create our life anew, following our heart.
Areas / problems
•anxiety, fear
•shame, inferiority complex, feeling of guilt
•stress
•lack of material affluence
•lack of inspiration and motivation
•depression
•addictions and cravings (alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, food, sex, money, gambling, etc)
•obsessive-compulsive disorder
•relationships problems
Thankyou
Gabriel, shouldn’t people go to YOU for help, as
opposed to spamming a website about Hungarian
politics (in English?).
Gabriel’s almost — but not quite! — making me miss
Mark already…
I belive in miracles. You sexy thing!
(Errol Brown/Hot Chocolate).
It is a shame that more than 90% of the people
that post on this site do not live in Hungary.
That’s why we always get conversations about, God, Jews, Mossad, Israel, Holocaust Denial, Nazis,bloodline,Palestine freestate,gypsies, and personal insults that go on forever.
Perhaps this forum should be renamed?
I suggest: Nothingtodowithpolitics.hu
Dear bystander,
“Absence makes the heart grow fonder”!
Viking! I assure of this: the hungarians will lose the court case in the US; the plaintiffs will take control of the railroad; any deficiency in payment will be collected directly from the hungarian government (which received its billions from the IMF). So yes, the poor hungarian peasant worked will be paying for this litigation by the holocausters. I am certain this is not being covered in mainstream hungarian press.
I am certain this is not being covered in mainstream hungarian press.
Anonymous at February 17, 2010 7:51 PM
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Could be that “mainstream hungarian press” has a demand of quality and therefore not printing this type of conspiracy-theory that does not even hold up for 2 minutes?
Dear Robant,
A very valid concern you express. My experience on this website is that whenever the real and hard issues are talked about, one or two things almost always occur:
1)That people become very polarised as to what the nature of the problem is or what can be done, leading to the insults that you mention.
2)That a feeling or consensus emerges, (usually after a lot of #1 above), that realistically nothing can be done or will be done anyway.
The above two factors lead to intellectual and emotional escapism, or apathy. It then becomes more meaningful and fun to debate Arpad flags, Trianon, Palestine or to call your opponent a Jew, Nazi or Communist!
I don’t just see this syndrome here on this English website, but among many people in Hungary as well. When a country isn’t getting a handle on their problems, then this type of dialectic happens, not just in Hungary, but many other places as well.
People, problems, positions and parties become conflated; but the problems go on.
@Anonymous: The story is being covered extensively by the Hungarian press and this is while there is little public information available e.g. http://hvg.hu/vilag/20100217_MAV_holokauszt_kereset_per
Try looking in the ‘mainstream Hungarian press’ first before opinionating about it. Unless you don’t understand Hungarian, in which case you wouldn’t really be daring to offer such vacuous opinions, would you?
Dear Farkas László. Very poignant comment and extremely well articulated.
I am still grieving over a small, traditional, Hungarian restaurant closing down last week that I used to visit in Szekesfehervar.
In recent weeks I have had to come to terms with the fact that Hungary and its economy needs a miracle from somewhere.
There are no battle-hardened fighters in the political arena able to deal with widespread corruption in every arena of political and business life.
The Mako Gas Field offered some respite from the never-ending scandals we hear about everyday.
When I mention to Hungarians that an election is just around the corner and they will get a new government – they look at me incredulously, sigh, groan and moan, then swiftly move on to another subject?
@ Gabriel;
Well obviously, I’ll never, ever find my true self, nor, according to you get to Heaven. I’d think you’d be fine with that, all the more room for you.
Kedves Robant,
I regret the loss of your favored restaurant, it obviously meant so much to you. I hope that with time some other launch will appeal to you. That is one type of business that always sees the entry of new hopefuls.
I have mentioned on another thread that I think the best option for Hungarians concerning Makó is to become directly involved as shareholders in either Exxon or MOL. I make this suggestion with the usual caveats; that it should be done with risk capital, that it should be seen as a long term play and not short term speculation, and that it would be a good idea for a person of average menas to pool their funds in an investment club or energy related mutual fund. We can’t wait for the politicians to come up with the right solutions for the public; they are too self absorbed and unaccountable for that.
I have long felt that change will have to come from below, and not from the top. If enough people make money on gas drilling shares and become wealthy, then they can slap the politicians and parties around and make demands. The leaders lack the standing to do that in reverse.
Olga:
Yes, I have seen the quote you mentioned re: children and parents. By the way, I didn’t say I ‘believe’ in the Bible, but rather that there are some very sensible things written in the Bible that have had an influence on the way I form my values.I should also mention that this is just one of many influences…others being Buddhism, Nietszche, Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, Foucault, Durkheim and even Freud…yes, the same Freud that is fashionably hated, and yet few people have ever read his social commentary.(not everything he wrote was about sex) Speaking of Freud, I find it interesting that he is so widely rejected, and yet, the concept of ‘ego’ is so widely (mis)used. I would like to have read more Hungarian writers, but as Pav says, very little Hungarian gets translated into English.
I would class myself as agnostic.I don’t discount the possibility that God exists, but I do have big questions of the nature of such a being.I figure that searching for Truth will lead me in the right direction, as long as I stay honest with myself and don’t get distracted by sentimentality or others’ fervour.
…to all…I disagree that this thread has nothing to do with politics.History is inherently political, which is what my article review brings out.As the saying goes “he who controls the past controls the present, he who controls the present controls the future.” This is very much the case in Hungary…especially important at election time.
Gnostic = knowing, Agnostic = not knowing.
Excuse me for coming back to some more earthly matters, being an atheist and all, but the closures of restaurants are signs of several things:
1) People do not have so much money to spend
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2) Change of taxation, where the benefits Companies could give to their employees in the forms of ‘cheques’ that had a nominal value of let’s say 1.000 Ft, but costed the Company less than actually give the employee 1.000 Ft in his hand
The latter cost normally the Company between 2.000-3.000 Ft
From January this taxation has been unified, so all these ‘benefits’ are regarded as salary, with all taxes and social contribution on top of the nominal value for the Company
This has of course lead to a drastic drop in Companies paying out these ‘cheques’ which was mostly used to pay in restaurants for
It has always been a lot of cheating with these ‘cheques’ and they were used as money in a sense not allowed, just to take down the Companies total tax burden
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3) Also from this year the actual tax a Company has to pay for paying a minimum wage is bigger than paying an higher salary. This is done to flush out some of those Companies who pay official minimum wages, but the rest black
One typical industry doing this is the Catering one, that is why you will see many close in the next months
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Just an interruption from Earth, back to you guys in the sky again…
now now Viking. I have no problem with atheists in general…and I certainly believe in a secular state. My recent posts from the Bible have not been an attempt to preach, far from it in fact, as I have been trying to show that the Bible itself says that all the spiritualism in the world doesn’t amount to a hill of beans if we can’t work out how to be nice to each other. I also wanted to show that it’s not all that hard to find plenty of verses to make the Bible fit any point of view one might have, no matter how extreme.
…it even talks about your ‘earthly’ issue of taxation. (give to Caeser what is Ceasar’s…)
…anyhoo…
I see taxation as one of THE central issues of Hungarian politics and immeasurably more important and immediate than Jewish, Gypsy or other such issues. I actually think that a lot of the time the more passionate issues are used as a smokescreen for the lack of policy or even understanding of the nuts and bolts issues of basic governance. I think Hungary has had more than enough of ‘blah’ and could do with some boring old book balancing.
About taxation:
I remember very well that shortly after 1989 I was a bit surprised when visiting Slovenia that evry little kocsma or Burger-stand had a computerised till (I think that’s the English word for “Kasse”) -later I read that a German expert had told the government to relie on the Áfa as primary tax and make sure that everybody pays Áfa on every transaction.
Years before that the Itlaians did something similar even having a “tax police” checking customers that left a bar or restaurant that they had a valid receipt. So it was almost impossible to cheat on this Value added tax.
Maybe the Hungarian government should be more serious here ? There probably are too many “tax-less” transactions in Hungary …
Dear wolfi,
It amounts to such governmental negligence doesn’t it? It’s so frustrating and so unecessary, while at the same time it creates such a shortfall in govt finances. Make them install cash registers and make sure tax is charged! No wonder Slovenia is further along in economic development.
An unwillingness to impose tax discipline is always the sign of a corrupt lesser developed, even third world country. There politicians rely on bribes rather than public money collected.
My understanding of the tax issue is tax evasion from non-claiming of income, dodgy fringe benefits arrangements and fraudulent benefits claims. It almost seems like a national ‘sport’ to see who can get away with the most. I remember hearing about my mother-in-law’s neighbours boasting about how although they had earned some 200,000 Ft, they had somehow managed to claim less than half that and had spent their windfall on a big-screen TV and other luxury items. The brazenness of people like this is appalling and it makes me wonder how people can wonder why the country is struggling. I know that taxes are high in Hungary, but is this a chicken and egg thing? Maybe if more people paid their tax it wouldn’t need to be so high. I do understand that successive governments have all had a bad record with spending, but when the demand for accountability from the electorate is so low, that’s hardly surprising. So…more voting and less cheating could be a better place to start than stirring up old hatreds.
@ Cinaed, Viking, FL
Cinaed: Agree that very sensible things written in the Bible. Agnostic sounds good – Someone pointed out it means “not knowing” Exactly. No one “really knows” anything concerning God. Just guessing and gut feelings.
Viking, FL – here is go again , about to post Canadian problems concerning tax evasion. It’s called the “Underground Economy” – By looking at identical problems, I am trying to demonstrate that Hungary is not this stand-alone country with crooked politicians, tax evaders, unemployment poverty etc. I know Canada is in a better position but ask the person who can’t pay his/her bills and can’t support his family how easy life is.
From a gov’t website :
“Those who participate in the underground economy are avoiding their tax responsibilities at the expense of all Canadians. Participation in the underground economy places an unfair burden on law abiding businesses and individuals, and reduces the amount of money available for important government programs such as health care, education, and the environment.
Consumers who indirectly support the underground economy by paying cash for a “cheaper deal” should also be aware of the risks they are taking by dealing with someone who is not operating legitimately, which includes not having any recourse for poor workmanship and being liable if someone is injured on the job.”
@Olga: We’re all a bit OT here, but it is interesting and very relevant.
The “Shadow economy” as it is called in Germany exists everywhere it seems. But there are a lot of things that can be done. In Germany eg there are special low tax brackets for people who do these typical jobs: household cleaning, gardening, painting etc – and if you pay (or rather the employer pays) that income tax you also get the corresponding social security benefits …
But still: Do you know anyone who likes to pay taxes ?
@ Olga;
What you posted I agree with; but, from my experience, people that are looking for that great deal, rarely if ever consider that something might go wrong, IE poor workmanship etc. I’m a personal believer of you get what you pay for and pay now or pay later.
As well, some people just don’t give a shit about others and are only concerned about themselves. They don’t see that what they are doing impacts others.
For those of you just itching to send me posts on how we all need more God in our lives, we lack direction etc, etc, etc…I am well aware of all this and do not need to be lectured further. So,please don’t.
wolfi: as strange as it might seem, I actually don’t mind paying my share of tax. I like everyone, have used public services and driven on roads and so on. Of course I don’t want to pay MORE than fair share, but I see it as one of the responsibilities that comes with my rights as a citizen. …just like voting.
@Viking: “Kadar… lead Hungary for the most of the period 1945-88″
) How typically Viking… Kádár was of course installed in 1956 by the Red Army that put down that foolish riot and ‘lead’ Hungary like Karzai leads Afghanistan.
@wolfi: “We are jewish commie zionist nazis, scum and mossad agents …” Such a sudden outburst of honesty! I am impressed!
Pavian is back!
His usual dishonest lying shit, doesn’t dare quote the full text:
“We are jewish commie zionist nazis, scum and mossad agents …
or at least Murkybrain and Lawless wrote so (and think it too ?)”
I really had hoped he’d stay away for good – the discussion here was really intereting while he was awy, but now it’s back to “Jew and commie and … bashing”.
On Anglos hating Germans my experience is similar to Olga’s. I have again and again seen how attitudes suddenly change when a Kraut shows up. The forced smiles of the Anglos, the Kraut’s apologetic, subservient smiles while everyone bends over backwards trying not to think of that HUGE white elephant… It’s just pitiful! Like when you meet a cripple and try to pretend that you don’t notice he is a cripple? Or say ‘sex worker’ when you think whore and feel like throwing up… &, you should hear the jokes and remarks and see the winks and facial expressions behind the Krauts’ back or hear the sighs of relief when he finally leaves… German-German ‘Jews’ curiously are often thought of and treated even worse especially by the island apes who think of Battenberg (Mountbatten) or Warburg and other financiers ‘German in origin and Jewish in race’ whenever they encounter a Kraut-Kike which is a lot more understandable than the Krauts’ kiss ass subservience: Have you noticed how ‘wolfi’ keeps trying to insinuate that ‘he is not really German’ or that he is a ‘good German’ that hates his countrymen ‘just like everyone else?’ Barf. Kapos or the Jupo come to mind… Ván though is right in his usual mendaciously misleading way about ‘never meeting anyone that seriously hates Germans’ the hate over the years having been reduced to contempt and disgust with which too many Germans look at themselves as well.
Anglo hate continued: Ván also wrote that ‘There were plenty of internment camps around Britain where innocent Germans, Japanese and other foreigners were imprisoned without warrant, trial or proof’ Shouldn’t we in view of Guardian’s revelations http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/apr/03/germany.topstories3 call those concentration camps torture and death camps? (Olga, look!) I wonder how much compensation does Ván think the island apes should pay their German, Hungarian and other victims (such as e.g. the Vlassov soldiers) and their descendants?
Am I really about to do this? Yes, indeed I think I am. I wasn’t hoping Pav would stay away. I mean come on, he gives this place such colour and at least he writes his own posts, and at least they come from a mind that thinks for itself.
Hi Pav.
Pavian is at it again (took him how many days to get this together ?)
“‘wolfi’ keeps trying to insinuate that ‘he is not really German’ ”
Where did you get this from ?
I am proud to be a German – not a Nazi or a catholic or … but a free thinking German like … (I’m not going to give names because pavian might construct this as a comparison)
If I were Hungarian or Russian or whatever I would also try to be like the “good” examples, not like the type pavian likes to name – you find bad people everywhere …
@Cinaed
So it appears you’re a Neo Liberal from the comments you make. Bla Bla Bla……….. waste of space and energy.
“Senses never lie, the problem is perception.”
Better Hungary: did I insult you? no, I don’t believe I did. So does a better Hungary involve making everyone into jerks?
well. I hope not.
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btw, I’m still waiting for someone to provide a real understanding on what a ‘Neo-liberal’ is.It gets used so often it has no meaning…just like ‘Jew’ actually…so you can be Jew in spirit, or genetically, or even just when someone judges you as that because they don’t like you. Seems that ‘neo-liberal’ is becoming interchangeable. So I’m pretty sure I know what a neo-liberal is, but maybe I was given the wrong decoder ring in spy school.
Nationalism is on the rise. This was more or less what Gordon Brown said in a speech today. It is true.
Germans and British were at war a long time ago and do not need to be reminded about those days.
I treat each individual on merit irrespective of colour,country, or religion. I hope others would consider me the same way.
Germans and British do not want to hear about wars fought a long time ago.
Germans and Brits, in the main, have a good relationship now.
I hope warmongering is not surfacing again – stirred up by a minority that has only hatred in its heart and seeks to conquer by deceit.
As i said Bla Bla Bla.
@ Paveszem
I was right! The Pavaszem dictionary exists.
“Kraut” “Cripple” “Whore” – those words don’t exist anymore – I recently read the word “dipsomaniac” and had to look it up . Ancient words out of use. Make sure you put in it the PD.
The consensus was that Brit I met was not credible and came to the conclusion he was probably dumped by his wife/girlfriend who was German. (Although I am sure the British version of you is alive and well but my original question was to see if he was representative of British thinking)
I hope you keep posting – I found your buddies’ postings just plain tedious, boring and repetitious. Yours are so bizarre that I actually look forward to reading them
You mentioned you were not a JOBBIK supporter but you think they are the best of the lot – I thought there was a more right wing group around where cripples, Krauts and whores need not apply for membership
BTW, I often mention my one and only “Tiszta Magyar” friend in BP – here is a sentence from her email re elections. I keep asking her questions and she patiently replies:
“Persze az nyilvánvaló, hogy csodákat senki sem tud tenni, de ha netán megpróbálnának együttműködni az ország érdekében, többre lehetne menni. De hát a politikusok (legalábbis errefelé) abból élnek, hogy a másikat gyalázzák – “ellenségképet” produkálnak az emberek számára és sajnos sokan bedőlnek
Not the most uplifting opinion, but on the other hand how is it different than the last US elections?
@BetterHungary(and/orE!)
It would be a good thing if you and your cartoon caperings left.
I think you would be better served floating around on Lake Balaton with the ducks.
We could throw pieces of bread at you and hope a large crust hits you on the head and knocks some sense into that more than thick skull of yours.
We don’t want your kind here George, you play on an evil platform that ruins societies and keeps power elite in control.
Jobbik are the only party to offer solutions and ask the hard questions to change the future of Hungarians for the better.
Jobbik have highlighted how and why we are in this situation of today and are growing in popularity because of the simple reason that they don’t fear people like you and your type who are absorbed in pride that you don’t even realize how destructive you are to other people.
We require radical change in Hungary and the rest of the world; the flutter of Jobbik will escalate into a mass awakening that is exposing your agenda.
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yep. bla bla bla
@Pax: You’re right about nationalism – but this happens mainly in (politically) insignificant little countries like Poland, Serbia or Hungary, so nobody really gives a shit …
In Britain, Germany (as you remarked) and I think also in France the Benelux countries and Scandinavia the vast majority is pro-EU – and that’s important. They know that they profit politically and economically from the EU (United we stand, divided we fall).
It doesn’t really matter what those separatists say and do – nobody in the rest of the EU would worry if a country like Hungary left, maybe some people (like me) would feel sorry for those leaving but the others …
Still I think (I’m an optimist at heart) that the relevant politicians in Hungary know it would be a political and economic catastrophe for Hungary to leave the EU, the Schengen agreement, free trade and so on …
That’s why I’m sure it won’t happen – despite all the rhetoric …
Hi Olga: In reference to your example of the Brit you met. One of my favourite Simpsons quotes:
“Elephants are a lot like people Mrs Simpson…some of them are just jerks.”
Cinaed isn’t even Hungarian, only a try hard! What audacity to comment on Hungarian politics from such a closed perspective.
@ Better Hungary (note to Paveszem)
Re:”Cinaed isn’t even Hungarian, only a try hard! What audacity to comment on Hungarian politics from such a closed perspective.”
Bet you if anyone posted Paveszem’s philosphy and words from his very own dictionary, you would welcome his/her opinion.
It would be so easy to please the JOBBIK crowd.
1) Buy a brown shirt or a blouse 2)Embrace devotion to the past, horses a must 3)draw up a new map for Hungary 4) spew hate against Roma and the Jewish people.
Jews seem to be the enemy because they are “educated and wealthy” the Roma because they are “uneducated and poor” Life is pretty simple for
JOBBIK devotees.
I see a correlation between JOBBIK and the Catholic Church ( only the hate is missing in the Church) No need to think for yourself.
Tempting to reinvent myself as “Mariska” – write an “inclusive posting” hating everyone on the JOBBIK list plus adding a handful of more hate towards other disenfranchised groups and I could submit my CV for being Paveszem’s new best friend.
Yep, very tempting.
Hi Cinaed
Would br curious to hear what your definition of Love is?
” Thou count-est son’s and Mother’s love, most sacred…Most Thine own”
Keble
Isn’t love your safe place too fall?
Didn’t ask you, already know what your definition is.
@ The little white bird;
I highly doubt you do.
Please! just control yourself, will you.
@Viking: “Kadar… lead Hungary for the most of the period 1945-88″
) How typically Viking… Kádár was of course installed in 1956 by the Red Army that put down that foolish riot and ‘lead’ Hungary like Karzai leads Afghanistan.
Pávaszem at February 19, 2010 2:07 PM
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The question was why János Kádár could lead Hungary, while not being a Jew, just a road-crossing of Slovak and German ‘blood’
And, he was the leader the most years between 1945-1988, even if he started in 1956
Just count the years, it does not make a difference
It would be correct even to state Kadar was the longest serving Hungarian leader in the 20th Century
He was not elected, but that was not Rakosi or Kun either, so that was never in the equation
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No Pav must just defend his Brother In Arms Mark, who maybe ended up here:
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http://www.police.hu/friss/SZO_100217_02.html
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Erik,
Pray tell us are you related to Anthony D’Amato the bloodsucking Neo Liberal schuster who is suieng Magyar Allami Vasutak???
Or is this just a coin cedence???
What about Senator Alfonse D’Amato?
http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/11/24603.htm
Freedom of Information Demand for a Szebb Jovot magyar Orszagnak!!!
Of course all “the bloodsucking Neo Liberal” commentators here are related, they’re all humans …
Your days are numbered you Neo Liberal jewish scum!!! Propertys of all foreign devils will be confisc ated by the Jobbik Government. I guess you didn’t read our program. Here it is on page 13: I was promised a choice between Viking’s and Wolf Gang’s property for my work here. I worked very hard for my Szebb Jövő!!!
III.1.12. „Válaszd a hazait!” mozgalom – Vállalkozói Magyarigazolvány
Az elmúlt húsz év:
Az óriási mértékű és általános forráshiánnyal küzdő kisvállalkozások térvesztése a hazai gazdaságon belül nemzetközi összehasonlításban is kirívóan magas. A külföldi cégek térnyerése miatt ma már százezernél is több, gyakorlatilag csak vegetáló kényszervállalkozó küzd a túlélésért.
A szebb jövő:
Országos mozgalmat indítunk a „Válaszd a hazait!” jelmondattal, bevezetve a kezdeményezést a gazdasági élet mindennapjaiba. Lehetővé tesszük, hogy a magyar állampolgárságú magánszemélyek tulajdonában lévő cégek tulajdonosai a cégbíróságon igényelhessék a gazdasági társaság típusának megnevezése elé a „magyar” jelzőt, vele együtt – ennek megjelenítéseként – a Vállalkozói Magyarigazolványt.
A szociális kártya felhasználási szabályozását úgy kell megalkotni, hogy a Vállalkozói Magyarigazolvánnyal rendelkező termelő által előállított termék vagy szolgáltatás vásárlási előnyt élvezhessen.
A rendszer sikeres bevezetése után a Vállalkozói Magyarigazolvány igényelhetőségét kiterjesztjük a Kárpát-medence valamennyi magyar
http://www.jobbik.hu/sites/jobbik.hu/down/Jobbik-program2010OGY.pdf
“Csikós László at February 20, 2010 11:04 PM
Your days are numbered you Neo Liberal jewish scum!!!”
This smells like forgery,” Neo Liberal jewish scum” forgery.
Smells like Vandorlo, Bystander, wolfie or Viking
Let the genius stand up and take credit!
or Viking
BIG JIM KNOWS at February 21, 2010 9:32 AM
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No, I write my own posts, in my own ‘name’
I have no need to ‘forge’ Law’s posts, he do that so good himself
And maybe BIG JIM who KNOWS everything can point out was was wrong with Law’s post?
Smells like those 11 Israeli terrorists who murdered a Palestinian in Dubai using British, Irish and French identities. Forging identities must a genetic thing.
Tizenegy bátor és hős izraeli meggyilkolt egy palesztint…
@JIM-tard: Probably part of what your buddy Bayer Zsolt calls the takonymédia (snot-media). What are your plans for free speech under the new regime? When you say our days are numbered does that mean you have decided our voices will no longer be heard? Given the nature of the internet how are you going to manage that when China, Australia, Syria etc… can’t even do that?
Van: pardon me for asking, perhaps I missed something, but what are you talking about with Australia trying to restrict the voices of people?
@Cináed: Best source is wikileaks, has tons on all of this. Refer you to the document “Australian Senate questions government on ACMA censorship and WikiLeaks” for starters:
http://mirror.wikileaks.info/wiki/Australian_Senate_questions_government_on_ACMA_censorship_and_WikiLeaks/index.html
Wikileaks is an excellent resource, but depressing. Finding out what the UK suppresses is appalling. Anyway, there was a thing last week where Iceland was considering becoming a journalistic haven for free speech allowing wikileaks to continue its work.
Van: Thanks, with you now. You were pretty right…Australia tries to enforce censorship, but isn’t terribly successful all the time. The funny thing about the media in Australia is that because life there is so boringly normal most of the time, the media agencies are reduced to reporting on battles between little old ladies and council parking attendants. When a real issue comes up, the journos descend on it like hungry hyenas. Besides, Australians really don’t like being told what to do by ‘those bludgers in Canberra’, so theyr’e pretty good at getting around it one way or another.
Did I at some point compliment Pavaszem for being
more intelligent than his retarded cousins
Mark/Ricsi/Law?
“Borgesian” my ass… I think I gave him too much
credit because for some reason people in this
group give him a sort of reluctant salute, yet the
more I actually *read* what he says… e.g.
“The forced smiles of the Anglos, the Kraut’s
apologetic, subservient smiles while everyone
bends over backwards trying not to think of that
HUGE white elephant… It’s just pitiful! Like when
you meet a cripple and try to pretend that you
don’t notice he is a cripple? Or say ‘sex worker’
when you think whore and feel like throwing up… &,
you should hear the jokes and remarks and see the
winks and facial expressions behind the Krauts’
back or hear the sighs of relief when he finally
leaves…”
What are you people hearing in this nonsense that
sounds *remotely* intelligent. Reminds me of the
geeks I remember from school that always tried to
use whatever word had the most syllables to relate
the most obscure historical reference they figured
no one else knew in a transparent attempt to
appear smarter than the “competition”.
You guys have been FALLING for that garbage?
Someone please feel free to direct me to where
Pavaszem has said anything non-insane, yet
noteworthy.
@ Bystander
Re: “Did I at some point compliment Pavaszem for beingmore intelligent than his retarded cousins
Mark/Ricsi/Law?”
I think your first impression was correct.
He is an expert at writing historical fiction – the others did not/do not have such talent. (gotta give credit where credit is due)
I was never a fan of historical fiction books because it mixes facts with the author’s own imagination and subjective opinions.Hard to differentiate between the two. ( Ie: When I read the DaVinci Code, I thought Opus Dei was a figment of the author’s imagination. That book took me forever to read because i kept rushing to the computer to see what was real and what was fiction)
A perfect example in Pavaszem’s case was the “Kiraly posting” – I actually spent time trying to find one credible English source saying he was a traitor. Never happened. Of course I didn’t go to Stormfront type websites for verification of historical facts.
That makes sense… “historical fiction”… Does
he do that for a living or are you just talking
about his postings here?
I mean just as one example, his attempt to make it
appear as though *all* Germans are shunned like
lepers around the world because of WWII is just
ridiculous…
It all might be easier to take if he didn’t try SO
damn hard to be “lofty” in his style of prose…
For one I find that using expressions like “what
the unwashed masses refer to as…” just comes off
as arrogant and doesn’t read nearly as poetic as
it probably sounds inside of his head.
So, I’ll finish my post in the “style-of” Pava so
he can see how obnoxious it sounds…
“Before I shuffle off this mortal coil, let me
prepare to titillate and tantalize your senses
with a tale of ill-begotten gain that is sure you
fill your cranium with lavish expressions of
immortal words that curiously are often thought of
and treated even worse especially by the island
apes who think that the cursed Jews and
inhabitants of that other isle known in the
Carpathian Basin as, lest I say it ‘lo!’ without
undertaking such a woebefallen challenge, or,
rather… blah blah blah” I am so impressed so
far! (!really)
@Bystander:
You had me there!
Reading your expansive comments based on your deep knowledge and thorough understanding, not to forget your worthy feelings toward …
Obama’s “information czar” is a Mr Cass Sumstein. He has stated
repeatedly that he wants to mandate licensing for people that
write/blog on the internet. These Left wing communsist scum
want to limit our ability to engage in free speech and threaten their
Communist Totalitarian vision. Lenin, Marx, Trotsky, Kun, Obama
Sumstein. Does nothing change?
Obama is a communist ? Well in the eyes of a Nazi everyone with a different opinion must be a communist …
PS: Mr Sunstein is an interesting character, very outspoken.
@ Bystander
Re: “Does he do that for a living or are you just talking about his postings here?”
Was this a joke asking ME what he does? You have to ask his friends.
The possibilities are endless. He is a creative writer which can be very useful in a political arena. Also an asset as a fashion designer. Maybe he is bringing out a new Spring line of brown shirts and blouses.
@Olga,
I was actually sort of serious asking whether
Pava’s profession is that of a writer of
historical fiction, though I was also being a
smartass…
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Are there any links to his works etc.? I still
have a lot of FL Hungarian film-fest video on my
list of to-dos, but I was curious if I could see
“Mr. Borges” work somewhere in the fiction arena.
.
I like to read what an overactive imagination
produces as far as fiction go… it’s more
disconcerting to read the stuff and try and figure
out which ‘facts’ are figments of his imagination,
however…
.
Nietzche when he was ill later in life had a
pretty active imagination too, only what it
produced at that point was completely useless…
Bystander: If I remember correctly, Nietszche had some degenerative disorder, was in constant pain and heavily addicted to pain killers. Some of his writing was torture inspired brilliance, but some of it was just tortured. My favourite piece of Nietszche comes from ‘Thus spoke Zarathustra’ and is a section called ‘on the flies of the marketplace’.
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One of the reasons I don’t mind Pav’s presence here is that whether you agree with him or not, at least he approaches the issues and generally speaking, answers the questions posed. Like I’ve said before, I don’t always agree with him, but he obviously puts a lot of effort into his posts and he often does have an interesting point of view. If nothing else, it inspires me to ask questions, and I find no harm in revising my own knowledge and views. If I still think I’m right about something, I haven’t lost anything, but rather have strengthened my conviction, on the other hand, if I find I was wrong, all I’ve lost is a little bit of ignorance.
@Cináed: “Interesting” describes pavian’s postings very nicely – he produces a lot of clever-sounding arguments, many of which are total BS(like the German Nazi Marshal was 100 Jew, which is nonsense, he hasn’t deigned answering this) and also tries to give the impression of “all-knowing”. I can only write about his attempts to show off with German words/phrases which are sometimes clever but mostly in error – of course only a German would see that and ther aren’t that many around here (Me being a Jew in the eyes of the jobos).
So what he produces is really “smoke and mirrors” but has not much substance.
But you are totally right in one thing: He is fun to read – I always laugh at his productions (and I try to goad him a bit, I confess …)
Wait what he’ll come up with now – I give him 5 days …
PS : His last diatribe about my visit to “Wolfie’s restaurant” in Miami Beach though took him three months to put together!
I will try and give Pava the benefit of the doubt
especially if he really tries to give his honest
opinion and isn’t about changing an argument
halfway through in a cheap attempt to “win” at all
costs (see also BobsCountryBunker)…
.
I enjoy baroque, crazed writings as much as
anybody, so will try to sit back and enjoy the fun
next time with Pava.
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The one thing I will admit though is that it’s
really obnoxious when one combines a condescending
tone with phrases like “… encounter a Kraut-
Kike which is a lot more understandable than the
Krauts’ kiss ass subservience…” because I’ll
bet you a little petty cash that if God forbid I
were to use similar insulting speech about HIS
ethnic origins, I’m sure he would not take it
sitting down… (Just a guess; who knows maybe
he’s wheelchair-bound, in which case, my
apologies).
@Bystander:
Pavian got it wrong even here:
From wiki:
“the term “kike” was coined as a derogatory putdown by the assimilated American German Jews to identify Eastern-European Jews”
So either I’m a Kraut or a Kike or what … – only pavian in his infinite wisdom knows (and of course anybody that followed my postings here using his brain and not his ****)
Obamas grandparents were members of the American Communist
Party. Obama baby daddy was a member of the Kenyan Communist
Party. The real baby daddy was also a member of the kansas State
Communist Party. Obama was accepted into Harvard Law school
because of his relationship with Ayres who is a current member of
the American Communist Party. He has selected members of his
Cabinet who have stated proudly that they admire Mao and Stalin.
Obama is forcing Socialist Healthcare upon Americans (who do not
want it). Need more evidence he is a Communist?
Obama is forcing Socialist Healthcare upon Americans (who do not
want it). Need more evidence he is a Communist?
Anonymous at February 25, 2010 4:18 AM
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Yes, please do feed us more info on this extremely important issue for us living in Hungary
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A “Socialist Healthcare” already exists all over Europe, does that mean we Europeans are all “Communist” like Obama?
Can 500 million Europeans *and* Obama be wrong?
@Viking:
It’s really no use trying to discuss with those right wing loonies – “socialist health care”, really …
The “inventor” of all this (at least in Germany) was none other than chancellor Bismarck – so he was a socialist too ?
Of course those jobos are also again all the other “themes” like abortion, equality of the sexes, homosexuality and so on – similar to the catholics and fundamental protestants.
BTW:
Has Jobbik put anything out on these questions ?
Their propaganda that we got in our postbox was only something like “A magyar gazdaság a magyaroké”.
Still funnier is the Fidesz propaganda (Itt az idö!) which has a lot of text about the bad things in Hungarian politics in the last 8 years – and 5 (!) identical pictures of Gyurcsany and Mesterhazy – no picture at all of Orban etc …
Really strange!
@justasking:
You seem to be a “normal” person. Do you also believe in this jobo-speak ?
“Obama is forcing Socialist Healthcare upon Americans (who do not
want it). Need more evidence he is a Communist? “
Viking: totally agree re: healthcare.
I think the opposition to state healthcare in the US is more about the latent cold-war anti-communist hysteria. It’s actually much cheaper in the long run for a country to run a public healthcare system for a number of reasons. I think the ‘right to choose’ is horribly overrated when you have an entire section of your population who don’t have the choice to be healthy. Am I a communist because I believe that ‘loving your country’ is not just about getting misty eyed when you hear the national anthem, or resisting the apparent decline of morality? (re my earlier post: ‘the good old days myth’) To me, loving your country is actually trying to make life for EVERYONE a bit better, not just for those who can afford it.
@ Anonymous
Viking was wrong when he wrote Obama and healthcare are irrelevant issues on a Hungarian political website.
I knew immediately that you just wanted to prove that you were a good candidate to join JOBBIK and wanted to show that your heart was in the right place. Sometimes it’s hard to see the obvious.
BTW, “Baby Daddy” does not apply in this case because the parents were married. Minor details.
Of course, you must be an Orly Taitz fan so she may be trying to prove the marriage certificate as well as the birth certificate are fake.
(if anyone could get a clip of Jon Stewart interviewing Orly Taitz on Comedy Central – please watch it. I can’t get it anymore in Canada. )
I think your real message is that a Harvard Law grad who is not “Tiszta Feher” has no business being a US President. At least Bush was white.
@ Wolfie;
I seem like a “normal” person… because I am a normal person dip-shit!
Besides, I think you would be quite surprised with my stand on all of the things you rattled off on Feb 25, 10:30am, even though I am a Conservative and a Catholic, which according to you, a combination equal to a fate worse then death.
Now, to your question, which is kinda confusing; but, this is how I will respond.
I do believe that Obama leans way over to the Left; but, you have to remember that in Canada, our “Conservatives” is what the Americans would consider Democrats, and our “Liberals” Socialists. There is a major difference between Canadians and Americans Politically, I personally think that the USA are a bit on the paranoid side.
As for the Socialist HealthCare System, ours is just that, and was introduced and pushed through by a man named Tommy Douglas, who yes was a Commie. I happen to love our system and would not trade it for anything. I think it says allot about a Country and it’s people who try to provide such a fundamental need to all it’s citizens and not just some.
@justasking: Re your last sentence – I was hoping you’d say that and we are in complete agreement there.
A few weeks ago there was a documentary on German TV that showed a group of Dentists and medical students traveling from one small city in the US to the next (don’t remember which state it was) to give a minimum of dental care to the “poor” – like taking out rotten teeth and so on …
Well in Hungary too I see a lot of people with rotten teeth – just a day ago my wife said: you can’t give this to our friend xyz, because she can’t eat anything really hard (like a salami!) with those teeth she got – I just looked incredulously at her …
@Viking: “The question was why János Kádár could lead Hungary, while not being a Jew” What part of “‘lead’ Hungary like Karzai leads Afghanistan” do you not understand? Aczél (Appel ) György (Heinrich) and Gyurcsány’s father in law Apró (Klein) Antal called the shots that not the Soviets called. Kádár was just another parade-goy. They started to use parade goys again because the passion that surfaced in 1956 scared them shitless. There was no reason to replace Kádár (Csermanek) either: the unwashed masses loved him, he was one of them. “crossing of Slovak and German ‘blood’ You bet! That’s what Hungarians are: e pluribus unum! “Pav must just defend his Brother In Arms Mark, who maybe ended up here: http://www.police.hu/friss/SZO_100217_02.html ” Lay off the Glögg, Lars, will you?
@slinky: “Nationalism… happens mainly in… insignificant little countries like Poland, Serbia or Hungary… nobody in the rest of the EU would worry if a country like Hungary left… “ You’re finally showing your true colors aren’t you, you snob prick. Kissing up and kicking down must pretty much describe your professional career as well… And POLAND a ‘little country’ (you clueless idiot)? You were probably thinking of Israel which is tiny and so nationalistic it is national socialist although you can’t say that, can you. “In Britain, Germany… France… Benelux… pro-EU” And the ballyhoo about the Lisbon Treaty really shows that doesn’t it: rejected wherever there was a referendum, passed by hook and crook wherever the people were left out of the decision: a real mandate I am sure… (Have I BTW told you what an asshole you are?)
Is it upcoming election day or does pavian’s paranoia bout have other reasons ?
Could he produce just one posting without refering to something “Jewish ?
His psychotherapist surely knows the reason for this …
I’m collecting some of his most outrageous sentences – but I fear they’re just quotes from kuruc, Zündel and other “reliable sources” …
Go, pavian, go!
PS: Have you decided yet whether I’m a “Volljude” or “Mischling” or … ?
Pava threw out *another* instance of “the unwashed
masses”!
.
Pava wrote:”There was no reason to replace Kádár
(Csermanek) either: the unwashed masses,
loved him”
.
I feel like a kid opening his presents on
Christmas, I mean er, Hanukkah! What a very
special gift…
.
I wonder why these masses don’t just periodically
WASH, you know? That’s what gets ME!
.
You guys are right about this Pava-watching, it
really *is* kind of fun, as long as none of the
flying spittle actually gets *on* me or anything!
A middle class American receives better healthcare than the upper
class in europe. europe and the rest of the world receive the
benefits of drug and medical technology developed and
popularized in the US. Last month a Canadian Minister chose to
have heart surgery in the US when he could have it free in Canada!
Government Socialist Healthcare is yet another step towards
government enslavement. I would say even the poor black peasant
in the US can receive better care than even the wealthy in Europe.
We dont want communism in the US and the American people dont
want communist healthcare.
Here is the ultimate in stupidity: Hungary suffered thru the USSr
and its Communism. Yet people still believe communism,
communist healthcare, communist welfare state will save them and
give them freedom! It is absolutely unbelievable. Yet Hungarians
wonder daily: why are we so poor? Yet they demand more
communism! Hungary needs some Adam Smith, Mises, Rothbard,
hayek. And less Obama and Marx and Stalin. When will they learn?
Obviously Anonymous does not understand how the Canadian HealthCare System works.
It goes something like this. If you need emergency care, you get it. They treat first and ask questions later. In the US, they ask questions first and if they like the answer, than they might treat.
Yes, if you have a non life threatening disease or ailment, you have to get in line and wait for treatment. If in-fact you need immediate treatment/surgery/attention, you get. It goes on a case by case basis, on the recommendation of that patients Doctor, and not the Insurance Companies flunkies.
I would rather have that then being told in ER ” Sorry, but we will not be treating you until you can prove you have insurance. So please bleed to death over there in that corner” And
please, do not try to tell me that does not happen on a regular basis either in the good ole’ US of A.
Danny Williams, the Canadian that went to the US for his surgery as opposed to waiting to get it free in Canada. His situation was not life threatening. He just wanted the surgery done NOW and did not want to wait. You wanna jump the ques, then you can pay for that service out of your own pocket.
I have to admit, you Americans really are paranoid!
Anonymous: Hysterical nonsense. Do you ever drive on roads and not pay a toll? AHA! That’s that communist system working again! Ever paid a police officer to do his/her job? Hmm…perhaps I shouldn’t ask that one…nevertheless, is NOT paying a police officer communism? What about firemen, or ambulance officers, or council workers and any other public services. They’re all paid for by your taxes or other charges. ‘Free’ healthcare is a cheaper more effective way of safeguarding the community as a whole. Haven’t you heard ‘prevention is better than cure’? I hate to break it to you, but the existing system is not costing anyone any less, it’s just driving the government into more debt. A country like the US can’t afford to NOT have public health care, just like it can’t afford to not have public education.As for Hungary, consider what would happen if public healthcare was withdrawn.What would happen? A LOT of people would not be able to afford services, would get very sick and undoubtedly a lot would die. Is that your way of population control? Just let all the poor ones die off? THAT sounds more communist to me. The aim of empowering the market so that “the state will wither away”…that sounds an awful lot like Leninism in a blue suit.
@ Cinaed;
HO! Ho! Slammmm!
How the Hell, Olga just figured out that you have a sense of humour is beyond me!
You make me laugh!
@Wolfi. Calling everyone a “jobbo” is getting a little predictable and boring.
@justasking. I acknowledge your patience, sense of humour, and work ethic in backing up what you say with sound argument.
I hope you will not lose faith and continue to hand out a battering to the clueless and hapless bats flapping about in the dark.
@ Servus;
Thank you for that post. You can jump in and help any ole time ya want!!!
@servus:
Calling everyone else a jobo ?
No, jobo is just shorthand for “Extreme right wing loonie antisemitic anti-Roma jobbik supporting foaming at the mouth a**hole” …
Got it ?
If not, just visit hungarianambience or kuruc or stormfront …
Magyarorszag wouldnt have a Cat Scan or an MRi if it wasnt for the
US capitalist healthcare system. They wouldnt have cheap
antibiotics or cholesterol and blood pressure or glucose lowering
medications. Where do you think they come from? What
medication or treatment has any Communist government invented
or discovered? The poorest uneducated black and hispanic (about
150 million in the US) will get more advanced treatment than the
richest person in Hungary! You cant get insurance in the US? Go
back to the USSR and Magyarorszag. You want a citizen to pay
for the Communist healthcare system and fund his own private
healthcare? Absurd. Please stay in the eastern bloc and enjoy your
communist endless riches.
In the US, we want Government to go away. You want socialism?
Go to a USSR style country- there are plenty. Thereby you will
garner endless riches. We already pay for ambulance services.
But police and firemen in the US have bankrupted the US states
and counties. So, yes, we want fewer police and firemen and at
lower payscales. A damn fireman in the US makes over
100k/year. POlice, public teachers and firemen are being
terminated all across the US right now. Are you folks aware that
the Hungarian government went bankrupt last year? And the
Greek GOVERNMENT is bankrupt. Spain, Italy and Irish
GOVERNMENT are all abnkrupt! Yet they tax at 50%. If Hungary
taxes at 100%, the government would still be technically
bankrupt. So we believe Government is the enemy #1. It strikes
me as absurd that Magyarorszag suffered so much under the
USSR, and yet they fought courageously with the Germans
against the filthy communist scum. Yet some Magyar still want
communism. The very definition of “Retardate”. Were it not for
the Germans and Hungarians, all of europe would be under
communist rule today. where is the “Thank You”?
Were it not for the Germans and Hungarians, all of europe would be under communist rule today. where is the “Thank You”?
Anonymous at February 27, 2010 2:50 AM
—
Yes, where did I put that big “Thank You” sign now…?
But, on the other hand, if European-type of healthcare is the same thing as the communist ObamaCare, then the Germans and Hungarians seem to have lost?
So who should I show that damned “Thank You” sign to, whenever I can find it?
.
Let see I can find
“Fidel for EU President”,
“Long Live Chairman Put in”,
“Rebury Bela Kuhn”,
“Give Lendvai another free plastic surgery”,
but no, no “Thank You” sign
Sorry!
It’s like talking to a vending machine. If I give you a dollar will you shut up?
@ Viking;
)
That was funny, I mean really funny. Here I thought you had a stick up your ass…oh, no that was Vandor.
Anyhow, your up to # 3 for making me laugh out loud.
@Anonymous;
I read your little ditty and have a few little comments to add.
You go on about the cheap meds that the Americans provide to Hungary. So why don’t you all offer this same boon to your own citizens? Why do they have to do “road trips” to Canada to experience the same savings that the former “communist countries’ enjoy?
Your comment about the poorest and uneducated Blacks and Hispanics in the US, it’s a good thing that you don’t have any “white people” that fall into that category.
Anyhow, your right, advanced treatment is available to EVERYBODY, what you fail to add is the price tag and if these poor, uneducated people can afford it. And we all know that the answer is NO. So really at the end of the day, it matters nothing about the availability and all affordability.
You talk about countries that are bankrupt. Didn’t the US have to go calling on China for some money recently??
” Government is enemy # 1″ I thought that the people were the Government. Are you saying that the United States is comprised of a bunch of self hating, self loathing citizens?
You know what I really don’t understand… the paranoia. What do you think your neighbors to the North do? March around in red uniforms, saluting statues of Lenin?
The US traditionally, is a country that will “send out the troops” if an emergency occurs around the World. IE: Haiti, Pakistan; but, when it comes to the people of your own country, you show little to no compassion at all. Why is that I wonder?
The American citizenry receive the most advanced medications
and treatments because they bear the full costs of its
development. Nations all over the world threaten and frequently
produce the same meds in violation of patent law. Billions are
invested in new technologies and medicines courtesy of the US
market. Once this is gone, medical innovation ends. The
poorest American ghetto thug can better afford his treatment
that some of the wealthiest in Magyarorszag. (What an
embarassment.) Even in the UK, the patient must see a nurse
long before he may see a physician. What a joke. The whole of
Magyar has one MRI (one!!!) and 3 CT scans (that are 10 years
old). The Us system takes care of 150 million blacks and
hispanics that are really 3rd world peoples. What other nation
has to eat this cost? None. Imagine Canada having to finance
this. It couldnt. How does Magyar afford its vaccines? (It gets
the leftovers from the US. Cancer care, cancer meds, ostomy
care barely exists in Magyarorszag. Trauma or Emergency care?
It doesnt exist in Magyarorszag. Dont get sick in
Magyarorszag. Where do the soccer players go for orthopedic
care? The top players go to….The USA. This is a source of
embarassment for even the UK.
To the subject at hand. Israel is honoring the Red Army with
massive new monuments to be erected throughout Televev. Why?
To honor the leaders (Lenin, Bronstein/Trotsky, Zonoviev,
Kamenov, Sverdlov); to honor their deathcamp torturers (Aaron
Solts, Yakov Rappaport, Lazar Kagan, Matv Berman, Genrik Yagoda,
Nattaly Frenkel, and Ilya Ehrenberg). Hint: none of them are
christian. These Communis criminals are responsible for the
deaths of tens of millions and the ruination of christian europe.
Honored in Israel. Why? Yet many here want more communism.
Wake-up magyar!
The US Socialist Government has implemented a 300 Billiion $ free
mediation program for seniors. The “poor” (they would be rich in
magyarorszag) have received trillions in free healthcare. The US
Government has outstanding socialist welfare liabilties exceeding
80 TRILLION US $’s. (The US economy is only 10 trillion/year). Ie,
the Socialist US government has bankrupted the nation.
Communism knows no limits or borders and has bankrupted most
of the West. You should now this in Magyarorszag as the IMF
(basically the US) has loaned your government billions of $ last
year. You are welcome. As the typical magyar work 22 hours/week,
this loan can never be repaid.
The American citizenry receive the most advanced medications and treatments because they bear the full costs of its development.
Anonymous at February 27, 2010 8:09 AM
If your healthcare system is so good, why isn’t your schizophrenia medication helping? And how did you get out of your padded cell?
@ Curious George
Obviously you have your facts all wrong. Not only was the Holocaust a hoax but Michael Moore’s film “Sicko” was also “fiction”
Ontario Health cards did not have pictures on them – they have been converting to pictures slowly for the past 5 years. Slowly is the operative word. My last name is towards the end of the alphabet so no one has written us yet to get the new cards.
Anyway, another fake rumour persists that people from the USA borrow relatives’ health cards and get medical help in Canada on a fraudulent basis because they cannot afford to pay US health insurance. This has cost Canada’s taxpayers’ millions of dollars yet our government hasn’t quite figured out how to speed up the picture process.
Back to Hungary – whenever we visit, we have private “out of country insurance” – Had a fairly minor mishap and ended up at the Telki Hospital .
Saw a specialist (no need, any doctor would have been fine) had x-rays and was out of there within an hour or so. Believe me, I have never seen any health care facility more luxurious. Cost: $500 Can. paid on a credit card and reimbursed through insurance once we got back to Canada.
The place was full of people, so obviously some people have the funds to pay for the service.
One health care for the poor and one for the rich?
BTW, Private Health clinics are starting to spring up in Toronto – was never allowed before.
One way it’s good because those who can afford to pay don’t tie up free health care system
@ anonymous;
I can not relate to you or your comments on any level. Ya got me stumped.
I will say this to you though. 100K a year paid to a firefighter, to haul stupid, arrogant fat American asses out of a burning build, through the window and down a ladder, is a very small price to pay indeed.
Szüreti Fesztivál 2007 , Proud to be an Hungarian
Anonymous just sounds like another swell guy who
needed a good reason to hate Obama other than that
he was African-American (his “real” reason)… so
following the cue of “Mr. Pharmaceutical”, Rush
Limbaugh and Friends, they all decided on about
Day 7 of his administration that he was just not
getting the job done FAST enough and that the
financial meltdown that had occurred under Bush
was actually Obama’s fault, and so now it’s ALL
Obama’s fault for being a Socialist because some
guy photoshopped the Joker’s face on top of
Obama’s. Therefore he is a communist, Muslim and
not even a US citizen because some racists at a
“Tea Party” meeting said so!
.
So, how close AM I “Anonmyous”? I’ll bet REAL
close.
@ Bystander;
What does Obama being Black have to do with Anonymous Political position/opinion.
A lot of democrats feel the same way as he does (Anonymous), democrats who I might add voted for Obama. What are they suddenly racist too?
@Justasking,
Actually that is a reasonable question, but my
answer is complicated and time is short for me
right now…
.
I hope it might suffice to say that for people who
live in America, the coincidence of the SAME folks
whose car/truck have confederate flags (or other
racist regalia) all over it being the *same* ones
who are far-and-away the most rabid about calling
Obama a socialist/communist/non-citizen/Muslim,
well it’s a strong correlation…
.
I kid you not… within like 3 WEEKS of the
election these people were ALREADY at their wits’
end… When you live here, talk to people and
start to notice it’s the same people… I agree,
this conclusion is not scientific, but a lot of
people have been noticing this.
.
Many Americans have noticed a strong “correlation”
between people we already KNEW were racist (I
know, I hear your objection from here!) — from
bumper stickers/flags and the like – being SO FAST
out of the gate in the Obama-hate after
inauguration, that there is some manner of
agreement here with many Americans that it’s
strictly *impossible* that Obama had *time* to do
anything they didn’t like in such a short time
frame to legitimately piss them off… other than
possibly being Black and having an atypical
international childhood. Of course over time,
Obama actually DID some things, so it becomes less
clear, but this was very clear early this year.
.
You’d be correct if you say that I haven’t
presented evidence here to support my claim. Maybe
next time!
@ Bystander;
And your right, if the issue of Obama’s race was brought up by Anonymous, I’d agree with you. But it wasn’t and he didn’t.
Anonymous was just going on about how he feels towards this propose Health Care agenda.
Obamas race? Obama has played the African “card” his whole life.
He didnt have the grades to get into college or law school. And
certainly not good enough for Columbia University or Harvard Law.
How did he get in? Well he was admitted based of his race- African.
Wake up Magyar. He is treated like the Chosen One by the world
media. The media neither questions nor challenges Obama
precisely because he is African. That aint right Magyar.
Obamas critics are Confederates? 80% of white males voted against
Obama. Obama has not chosen one white christian in his
government. His top people are: axelrod, summers, emmanuel.
orszag, bernhake, barofsky, feinberg, Rivkin, Shapiro, Rattner,
BenMosche, Soros, Sheila Bair, Rob Rubin. Not one is Christian! The
black voter and non christian power finally combined to deliver 25
trillion $’s to the New York banksters. Wake up Magyar. And now
they want the white taxpayor to pay for free healthcare for 150
million africans and hispanics. That aint right. Magyar start reading
and wake up.
I didn’t vote for Obama but to say 80% of white males voted against Obama is devoid of any rational thought. Crawl back under the rock from which you came.
80% of white males voted against Obama. That ain’t right. Magyar start reading and wake up.
Anonymous at March 2, 2010 3:43 AM
51% of college educated white males & 59% of working class white males voted against Obama.
Total for white males was 57%. The rest of the Anon’s 80% number was redneck VAT.(voter-added turd)
@Justasking,
I don’t mean to pick on you because you are the
nicest of your crew of friends, I actually
*almost* (I think) understand where you are coming
from, finally… maybe…
-
But I guess you did speak too soon defending
“Anonymous”:
“if the issue of Obama’s race was brought up by
Anonymous, I’d agree with you. But it wasn’t and
he didn’t.
Anonymous was just going on about how he feels
towards this propose Health Care agenda.
justasking at March 1, 2010 11:44 PM
Obamas race? Obama has played the African “card”
his whole life.
He didnt have the grades to get into college or
law school…”
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Sometimes I wonder if similarly you give Law and
the others too much “benefit of the doubt”…
Something tells me if you really knew what was in
those guys’ heads you might not leap quite so much
in their defense. Then again I realize your
instinct probably comes from very strong love of
country… I just wish that you would separate
yourself sometimes from the bare racism they
exhibit sometimes even though you have certain
things in common…
-
You still feel like defending “Anonymous” or did
they step over the line with the last comments?
Anonymous wrote:
“Wake up Magyar. And now
they want the white taxpayor to pay for free
healthcare for 150
million africans and hispanics. That aint right.
Magyar start reading
and wake up.”
-
SO funny… the KKK don’t even change their
wording… it USED to be “WAKE UP WHITE PEOPLE!”
at all the KKK rallies…
-
I wonder if they are leveraging that “find and
replace” function these days! Jobbik, anyone?
-
So… I’m thinking I hit the nail on the head
w/the Obama-Racist thing… Thank you “anonymous”!
@ Bystander;
Well let me just say this. Anonymous was talking about Health Care and that is what I had commented on.
I do not see his comment of Obama using his “race card” as racism, but his ( Anonymous)opinion. Remember that there are people that use the race card quite comfortably when it is convenient.
I do not try to get into anybody’s head and takes the comments for the most part at face value. I hate looking for the hidden meanings.
I happen to think that there are allot of nice people on this site, even the ones that on the most part I do not agree with. Again, that is just my opinion.
Hey, we’re in agreement! (Savors the moment)…
-
My only comment at this point would be that
without presuming to read people’s minds, certain
external signs often (but not always!) *correlate*
with other related things.
-
E.g. not EVERYONE in the US who has a confederate
flag on their pickup truck voted against Obama,
but I might venture to say it’s in the very high
nineties. (I welcome disagreement here as to
whether there are lots of Obama voters within this
group). I shouldn’t jump to conclusions, but
experience has shown that “where there’s smoke,
there’s (often but not ALWAYS) fire”, and my
follow up questions wer to explore that (looking
to be likely in my mind) possibility.
-
So I can’t fairly say conclusively that *all*
people who repeat certain very specific ugly and
incorrect propaganda criticizing Obama seem to
come from a certain, shall we say “KKK
demographic,” but building on past experience, I
start to see a PATTERN, hoping each time that I
will see that their enthusiasm comes from well-
informed facts.
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I do find most of the people here to be nice folks
(you included), however sue me if I find people to
be a-holes who say stuff like “Your days are
numbered you Neo Liberal jewish scum!!!” or
“Forging identities must a genetic thing.” or
“Obama has played the African “card” his whole
life. He didnt have the grades to get into college
or law school. [a lie BTW]“.
-
It does bother me when the nice folks support
these people just cause they vote similarly.
@Bystander: “I wonder why these masses don’t just periodically WASH,” Do you really? “the flying spittle” Thank God it’s not a baseball bat…
I really *am* starting to enjoy the fun I’ve heard
so much about! Thanks, man!
@balla: “pavian’s paranoia…” I am treating you to the choicest insults and all you can come up with is ‘pavian’ that you keep repeating like a broken record? How pitiful! Let me guess your IQ: 15 or less? “just one posting without… something Jewish” Yeah, well, we all dream of judenrein… Unfortunately we don’t have that choice, do we? Még a csapból is ők folynak… You can’t watch tv or listen to the radio for 10 minutes without hearing Israel this and Israel that, holokoszt this and holokoszt that. Makes you want to throw up. Which is exactly what I do when Shoa business is shoved down my throat: I throw it up. Push begets push-back! Or at least it should. “I’m collecting some of his most outrageous sentences” You and C’est moi: the Dream Team… Or is it Laurel and Hardy? “I fear they’re just quotes from kuruc, Zündel and other…” Haven’t we discussed this a few times already, Dommschwätzer? You keep saying that I copy stuff from Kuruc when you can’t even read Kuruc: you don’t know Hungarian. Nor could you come up with anything I actually copied from Zündel or Ambience. Let me revise that IQ: it’s less than 10, right? “Have you decided yet whether I’m a “Volljude” or “Mischling” or … ?” Wer Jude ist, bestimme ich? Wow, what an honor! But why are you so shy about it? Why don’t you just tell us, Stuhlgang? I mean Wolfgang.
I believe you are no challenge when it comes to genetics, you try and intimidate with your waffle and insolent behavior, scientific studies find that genes can be turned on and off by environmental signals including thoughts, feelings and emotions from outside the cell, conscious evolution!.
The cell membrane, the outer layer of a cell, is the organic equivalent of a computer chip, and the cell’s equivalent of a brain. Although this view conflicts with the widely held scientific dogma that genes control behavior.
What do you know about biology including random evolution, survival of the fittest, and the role of DNA
How do you view the blueprint for our sustainable, life-affirming future that is literally inside you encoded in each of the trillions of cells comprising your body?
How do our beliefs about nature and human nature shape our politics, culture, and individual lives?
And have you considered how each of us can become planetary “stem cells” supporting the health and growth of our world and every individual in it or is this way beyond your scope?
By researching and questioning the old beliefs that keep the status quo in place, and by building our lives and world on this heartening and promising new discovery, we can trigger the spontaneous evolution of our human beings.
You appear to be so antagonizing, so you answer the questions.
@Bystander the last comment was addressed to and belongs to another thread
@Bystander. You are a self-opinionated freak that
prefers to find fault with others rather than expounding your own views on political issues.
just asking always appears very fair in her assessments and does not come over as a mindless bigot like your goodself.
Irrespective of political issues I find you nauseatingly negative and a senseless schmuck full to the brim with “HUMBUG” and airs and graces that do not sit well on that nickel and dime head of yours.
Swivel on that and don’t come back. (Some hope.)
@Fanmail — thanks for joining the fan club! Your
membership dues are overdue… I find JustAsking
to be the nicest/most-sane of the “bunch”, so I’m
not sure what comment you are referring to… I
don’t agree with a lot of what she says, but… To
your point, I’ve stated in this forum a lot that
while I am part-Hungarian I know very little about
Hungarian history, so I defer to the “experts”
here when I don’t know what I’m talking about.
When I *DO* however, you will hear from me, and
you have. Remember dues are payable in either
cash or money-order only. No PayPal.
@Dave –
Just because I pointed out a major problem with
your “Professor Penfield” fake-data doesn’t mean
you have to take revenge on the entire Politics.hu
website by spamming the fake-information on every
single thread here! Saying a lie over and over
doesn’t make it any more true… it just
discredits you!
-
Sorry the truth got stuck in your craw like
that… stay away from science-commentary would be
my advice… doesn’t seem to be your specialty!
But don’t worry, you’ll find another online
falsehood to spam us with next time… I have
confidence in you!
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Wilder Penfield (1891-1976)
“Wilder Penfield was not only a great surgeon and a great scientist, he was an even greater human being.”
– Sir George Pickering, Regius Professor of Medicine at Oxford University
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Recruited to McGill from New York in 1928, Penfield brought with him a vision: to create an institute where clinicians and scientists from different disciplines would work side-by-side. He convinced the Rockefeller Foundation to endow and fund the construction of Montreal Neurological Institute, which opened in 1934 by its founder and first Director, Wilder Penfield, the same year he became a Canadian citizen.
The pioneering clinician and researcher was celebrated nationally and internationally for what the Globe and Mail called his “almost miraculous” achievements, but to his patients and fellow health professionals, he was also known for his deep integrity and humanity.
His acquaintance with legendary physician and former McGill professor, Sir William Osler, may have played a role in cultivating Penfield’s holistic view. The neurosurgeon was fascinated not just by the physical workings of the brain, but how they influenced the mind and the personality. “The problem of neurology,” he wrote in 1965, “is to understand man himself.”
Penfield attributed his success to his “tenacity of purpose.” Through that tenacity, Penfield broadened our understanding of how the brain works, and in the MNI left a lasting legacy of a centre for neurosciences k
Penfield attributed his success to his “tenacity of purpose.” Through that tenacity, Penfield broadened our understanding of how the brain works, and in the MNI left a lasting legacy of a centre for neurosciences known internationally.
@Dave (aka “Mr. Skyhooks”)… just so you can’t
say I didn’t answer your questions I will humor
you and give it a shot… THEN will you stop
spamming my favorite Hungarian Political site (in
English)?
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What do you know about biology including random
evolution, survival of the fittest, and the role
of DNA?A lot, like I said!
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How do you view the blueprint for our
sustainable, life-affirming future that is
literally inside you encoded in each of the
trillions of cells comprising your body?I
view it with an electron microscope or
chromatography gel
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How do our beliefs about nature and human
nature shape our politics, culture, and individual
lives?In many different ways! If I am
elected Miss Universe, I hope to continue this
shaping!
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And have you considered how each of us can
become planetary “stem cells” supporting the
health and growth of our world and every
individual in it or is this way beyond your scope?
Uh… I must admit I have *not* considered
how I can be a ‘planetary stem cell’ but I like to
do my part to try and share what knowledge I have
with those who might care to learn from what I may
know. Do YOU care to learn from facts so that YOU
can become a ‘planetary stem cell’? Or is your
goal to become a planetary virus/prion and infect
genuine dialogue in multiple threads with your
frustrated pseudo-spam? Please say you will
accept your data as “fake” and become more
‘planetary stem-cell-like’!
FL you have become a real pussy lately, at one time I respected your views it appears now you’ve succummbed to the staus quo, you puss.
Hi Bela,
I suppose it’s a backhanded compliment from you, as you expect more and have high expectations from me!
I sometimes feel like I have said as much as I could, while trying not to repeat myself. I therefore back off a bit at times, especially when there is no major change in the overall situation. For a while, I was very involved in the Mako issue, but there the majors have pulled out; it could be a bust.
Over time, I have chosen to absent myself from the discussion of certain issues, because they often devolve into unresolved and ongoing argument and insult. Or I feel that they don’t have a practical application to the country’s future, which continues to be a vital concern to me. That being said, let me not discourage others from talking about what they want to talk about!
I have put more than my share of time and effort around here. My fans shouldn’t count on me doing it forever! It’s best to develop one’s own voice and viewpoint. If anyone should be inspired by my style, for starters they can show it by not calling another poster a pussy!
@ Farkas Laszlo
I never thought I’d wake up one morning, look at this website with my morning coffee and someone is going to insult you. Two people I thought would be safe were you and Cinaed. You being Number 1
Oh well, I’ve been wrong before.
Moving on to the elections issues (not that Iran, Israel, dead Communists , et al are not important) please take a look at this website I found.
http://www.xpatloop.com/news/63588
It is dated March 4th and it states :”The only two parties that have put an economic programme on the table were Jobbik and MDF so far. (FIDESZ leads and no economic programme available?)
The way the article is set up is visual and easy to understand – no rhetoric . My 2nd surprise for the morning.
@Olga: Xpatloop reprints stories from elsewhere such as portfolio.hu (it has an English section), HATC (as does this site), some from MIT (but it appears not to have paid for syndication) and other sources it finds around the web (blogs). Very occasionally it has a piece written by someone. The most useful part of the website is the film listing (for those who are crippled by their laziness to learn Hungarian). It also bought Budapestsun.com name which it is using quite well to improve website ranking. It added the standard facebook click-through recently which appears to have ended up dragging down performance (they need to upgrade their servers or move to a cloud option). Anyway, it is picking up quite a lot of users on facebook, which makes me wonder why these sites don’t do this and finally sort out the registration problem.
@Erik and techny folks who help him: Have you not heard of OAuth? It’s simple and easy. Just plug a solution in and let the authentication and authorization
@olga: The reason that article is easy to understand is because the Hungarian website it comes from is, too: http://mitigernek.hu/
This was reported in the Hungarian press last week or the week before. Portfolio.hu translated the standard blurb that was going around and eventually it ends up on Xpatloop. That’s generally the pattern for all ‘news’ in English.
@ Vandorlo
Thanks for the information – will check out the Hungarian website as well. Such a breath of fresh air to “compare” political parties’ minus the rhetoric. Take away the rhetoric and I can easily understand info like the one given on that website wheather written in Hungarian or in English
Are you surprised that FIDESZ has not posted and Economic policy yet they are leading the polls?
@ Vandorlo
WHETHER – sorry
@olga: No surprise and no surprise to read this morning that Fidesz have pulled out of the only live ‘debate’ they had agreed to. DunaTV was planning to ask each party 4 main questions and give each 8 minutes to respond. The parties would know the questions in advance so could prepare their answers. If they pull out of this, they will not agree to anything approaching questions concerning their non-existent program.
Still, it’s good to see the number of people planning to vote rising. People realise that something is at stake.
March 15th is going to be the standard dirge with all the speeches, but you never know Orbán continues to speak through the media continuously. At least people are getting a clear picture of how he sees his future role – which seems to be the only thing he thinks about (sod the country).
As I’m not yet eligible to vote, I’ve decided to head of to Istanbul for the elections and let some of my family use my apartment here. I need a stronger safety net, so will improve my Turkish, just in case a Jobbik coalition is formed and I’M invited to leave – kidding, sort of.
Calling Laszlo a pussy may not be very delicate but there is some rational for it. Without meaning to insult Laszlo, I could see him as the President of Hungary but not as a Prime Minister. I can go into more detail for those who are slow and do not understand these positions.
So, how about President Laszlo?
“As I’m not yet eligible to vote, I’ve decided to head of to Istanbul for the elections and let some of my family use my apartment here. I need a stronger safety net, so will improve my Turkish, just in case a Jobbik coalition is formed and I’M invited to leave – kidding, sort of.”
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Van, if I may ask, does this mean you are considering taking Hungarian citizenship? The second part is a little worrisome. I hope it doesn’t come to that.
@Cinaéd: I’m a pragmatist so, I’ve got a five year plan, as part of which decisions about remaining here will be determined in the next 2 years. And there is an absolute cut off date for me. Not legally or financially, just personally. I like things to be black and white, no messing about. It isn’t going to be determined by anything other than the social and cultural orientation of this country to me as a foreigner wanting to live here, make a life here and pay taxes. If it’s clear that it continues to resent net contributors because of what they are, as it currently does, then I say fuck it, life’s too short. My work means I can move anywhere and pay my taxes there and contribute financially to that society without depriving locals of jobs, so why be somewhere that doesn’t want my money? (rather, everyone wants your money)
With the result of the UD Zrt case (though I note they lost a similar case today/yesterday against Katona Tamás) and Fidesz getting away with having no policies, this is pretty close to the last straw for me. Clowns the lot of them. Still in two years we will see if anything changes. I’m happy Majtényi László is turning into an independent voice, I had hope he would (the head of ORTT that resigned over rádiógate). So there’s sign of promise.
Oh and Bobs… if I do decide I’m staying, you can stick your jus sanguinis where it hurts, I haven’t got a drop, not a drop of Hungarian in me – at least not back as far as the family records stretch into the C17th.
@ Vandorlo
You once assured me that the ulta-right wing posters on this website are not representative of the Hungarian people in general.
If they are not, then you have nothing to worry about and you might end your life as a 100 year old Hungarian citizen one day,(never say never) knowing that you are still a “foreigner” no matter what.
I am certainly getting the impression that JOBBIK supporters are passionate about their party of choice – but then I am not familiar with other websites.
If true that they are the only passionate political party supporters, than it’s a shame the other parties don’t get off their butts and have supporters who are equally committed to their parties’ plans.
Hard to understand how FIDESZ supporters could support a party that has no economic agenda and whose leader is hiding from the public. I accepted the fact I simply don’t possess a Hungarian style brain regardless of where I was born. You have to be there like you, Viking, Sophist, CG, Wolfi etc to understand
My mind always tries to find logical explanations so here is something I considered. Orban watched the Katie Kouric and Sarah Palin interview and came to the conclusion that if you know f.. all , or have no economic plan, it’s best to keep your mouth shut. Especially when you are leading in the polls and have nothing to gain by by highlighting your and your parties’ liability.
Wonder how the next polls will reflect on the hide and seek game.
Van: It’s sad to hear that, but understandable.
A language school owner I knew in Debrecen was constantly frustrated with how hard it was to do business in Hungary (she was Hungarian). She would exclaim to me that she just didn’t see how Hungary could ever become more prosperous if it continued to make business, especially international business, so hard to do. I really admired her for her passion and commitment to not just being a good education provider, but also a good employer (she employed as many people as she could afford and gave them better than average conditions) In return, all of her employees gave much more to their jobs. She really wanted to expand her business, but knew it was out of the question to consider this given the instability and uncertainty of the future.
Hi Mark: You wrote “There is very little possibility that these pretend German, Irish, Hungarian, American, and Swede are not Jews…” Unfortunately there is a _lot of possibility of that… They are Anglicized Irish Atheist/Socialists; brain dead Marxists, Christian Zionists, Germans who were literally bred to submit (which is their nature anyway). The foreign born and raised Hungarians are ditto. These people also grew up respecting their governments and believing everything they were taught in school whereas Hungarians raised in Hungary have always despised their comprador/Quisling governments and never believed anything they were taught in school that was usually the opposite of what they’ve heard at home _unless their parents were apparatchiks. (Apparatchik kids are usually the ones that know good English in Hungary as well…) These people are all accomplished morons brainwashed into a perfect, unquestioning stupidity and so verjudet that they are more Israelite than some so called Jews. Khazar Hungarians on the other hand can be very patriotic and loyal. I know how confusing this is but believe you me it is true… “Hungarians, as a rule, do not smear the countries that give them homes, especially those Hungarians who escaped Communist oppression…” You are of course right but there are unfortunately some other things that are also true — beyond what America has become, such as the carpet bombing http://www.youtube.com/v/jaw7nUWu5k8&hl
@Mark, more: of civilian targets in WWII (the US Air Force dropped over 300,000 tons of explosives on rump Hungary), their shitty attitude in 1956, 89 and ever since. The criminal attitude of American business in Hungary today, the shit attitude of their whore ambassadors and bordello embassy, the FBI’s outrageous activities, etc. They prostitute and enslave our brothers and sisters and turn our mother’s graves into cesspools. How could any Hungarian support that? “possible… that ‘wolfie’ is… German” Lupus unfortunately is very typical of what Germans have become. Although his papa is from Danzig, Mischling City, so he probably is a Mischling. Nonetheless he is all-German I guarantee. I can almost see him: short cropped blond hair, watery blue eyes, overweight with a permanent smile on his albino white face that is at the same time arrogant, subservient and insincere. Very insincere. If only some of our douche bags could read his mind… Boy would they be shocked. “Curious George… too cowardly to own up to his country of origin because there is plenty that shames him”
@Mark, continued: Curious Ape is an ex-Commissar from a nightmare dictatorship imported by some Magyar Bálint types to brainwash our kids. He should have been sent back in chains to his country full of goat shit the day he arrived together with the human sewage that imported him. “The least worthy… statement [was] that ‘I haven’t seen them call Hungarians names on the basis of their Hungarianness nor Hungary” How about lupus repeatedly stating that ‘Hungarians don’t matter to anyone?’ ( although he is too enlightened of course to share that view…
) Doesn’t that count? “the nastiness of these people… slime and filth…” Look at the bright side: we’re still better off than LH Haider or that poor freedom fighter that was just killed in Dubai.
If only some of our douche bags could read his mind
Pávaszem at March 10, 2010 11:29 PM
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Just out of total curiosity:
* Pav = Varangy?
Poor little freedom fighter!
Dear Big Jim and everyone else,
People have, from time to time proposed that I become “President” or “Prime Minister”, but
I want to make it clear that I am embarrased (although flattered) by such suggestions or honorariums. I respectfully decline such enthusiasms and have no intention of letting them go to my head.
I consider myself a poster around here, like everyone else. The world of politics and political leadership is best left to those who are willing to pay the price that such a life path entails and exacts. Personally, I have other priorities.
My posts don’t always satisfy everyone’s sensibilities or concerns. Whatever I have left unsaid, of course others are free to fill in! If I get a respectful hearing from the regular members of this community, then I am more than satisfied, and that is a respect that I wish to reciprocate.
To All:
“You cannot reason anyone out of a position they did not reason themselves into.”
Hate for Jews, Hungarians, Nazis or whomever is not reasonable.
Martin Luther King Jr said it best – “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.”
Change nation to World and change color of their skin to Religion, Nationality etc.
You all have a choice to make, continue living lives full of hatred, or learn to live together, love each other. If you do not make this change in your life, your kids will grow up with the same hate you possess and they will be destined for the same fate as you made for yourself.
Each decision you make builds your destiney. The choice is yours, I chose love. Hungary should be a melting pot and a place for all people. Viva Hungary, Viva USA, Viva Israel, Viva Palestine, Viva Globilisation.
LoveLife
@Lowlife
“Viva USA, Viva Israel, Viva Palestine, Viva Globilisation.
Drop dead.
@LoveLife :
Don’t worry about intergalactic nonsense – he believes in having/being common sense and we let him out regularly, but not too often …
As long as he stays behind his computer screen, he can’t do anything really bad …
“As long as he stays behind his computer screen, he can’t do anything really bad …”
You don’t know much about computers, do you?
Jobbik invited some (in)famous German Neonazis for their “day of remembrance” – strange if they are not Nazis themselves …
http://www.jobbik.com/europe/3182.html
“The Deportation of Sudeten Germans: a Forgotten Tragedy”
This tragedy is not forgotten in Germany – but accepted as one of the consequences of Hitler’s crazy war.
CommonSense in response to LoveLife:
“Viva USA, Viva Israel, Viva Palestine, Viva
Globilisation…. Drop dead.”
Hey CommonSense, why so angry? LoveLife also
said: “Hate for … Nazis or whomever is
not reasonable.”
Right up your alley!
“Hungary should be a melting pot and a place for all people. Viva Hungary, Viva USA, Viva Israel, Viva Palestine, Viva Globilisation.”
Hungary should never become a “melting pot for all people”. If you want to melt, go to the USA.
USA, Israel, globalization and viva in the same sentence sounds pretty stupid. Lowlife must be under the influence of drugs, alcohol and/or liberal ideology. They all can have an effect on brain functions like thinking.
Hungary should never become a “melting pot for all people”. If you want to melt, go to the USA
Common Sense at July 15, 2010 11:30 PM
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Stan, you went to the US
Zou melted in, created a successful computer/internet-business that you sold for good money, so you could retire and move back to Hungary
Now you live in Hungary on that filthy money you earned in that terrible melting pot the US, that accepted you, even being an Hungarian low-live
You are not being really hypocritical now, deep down in your heart (it is on your left side, behind your nipple)?
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Another thing, which you obviously like all the other stupid so called ‘Hungarian Nationalists’ so conveniently always forget is that ‘Hungary’ always thrived (like all other areas in history) when it really was a ‘melting pot’ for the surrounding area. When your type think Hungary was big, it was a very liberal ‘border-state’, because a ‘border-state’ only survives by being liberal against the different people coming and going, because it is better to co-operate and trade than fight with everyone
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Your aim today with Hungary, after made your riches in one of those terrible ‘melting pots’, is to make Hungary into a Skanzen:
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http://www.ourhungary.co.uk/skanzen.html
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where retired rich people like you can strut around without any thought on the people who did not want to leave their birth country, but wants to create a future here
“‘Hungary’ always thrived (like all other areas in history)”
“When your type think Hungary was big, it was a very liberal ‘border-state’, because a ‘border-state’ only survives by being liberal against the different people coming and going, because it is better to co-operate and trade than fight with everyone”
Viking at July 16, 2010 6:56 AM
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Okay, either the sky has fallen OR the aliens have captured Viking OR Viking has fallen on his pointed head…did he just ‘gulp’ defend Hungary?
I never would have thought that I’d see the day, that Viking would do that.
I swear, I have only had one drink and it wasn’t that big to misread his post…or was it?
Viking
Have you ever looked at a map? If not, do it now.
Try to find the USA (it’s in North America), then Hungary (somewhere in Europe). Got it?
The US is huge compared to Hungary, it was conquered and built by immigrants. If you must leave your country, this is the place to go.
You have a right to be there, some of your ancestors or fellow countrymen must have contributed enough to the prosperity of the US, so you don’t have to feel unwelcome.
Hungary on the other hand is a small country, with limited resources. We don’t need a flood of foreigners, especially not a bunch of Africans and Asians. We didn’t take part of the colonization, we don’t want to pay for its failure either. The EU is up to no good again, they want to import Africans and spread them all over Europe. No thanks. Hungary lost most of its territory, we’d like to hang onto what’s left.
Ethnic minorities wanted to have their own countries, now either we reverse the Trianon nonsense, or we’re closed for immigrants. Great Hungary could accept a few European immigrants, but Small Hungary is full, please go someplace else.
I’ve spent enough time in New York to experience the effects of the “melting pot”. It doesn’t work very well in a large, liberal city like NYC, it would be a disaster in Budapest. The “powers” wanted Hungary to be small, so be it. We’ll just keep it small, but for ourselves, not for immigrants.
@CS – obviously the melting pot works. If it didn’t, you’d still be picking up fares along 42nd Street, and trying to collect payment under the Brooklyn Bridge.
commonsense,
somehow you mix wishful thinking with hungarian history. Foreigners were brought by various
hungarian kings into Hungary for all kinds
of reasons(Swabians,jews,austrians etc etc)
They were deeply involved in building Hungary,
contributing immensely to science,education,
commerce and culture.Without all of this the colourful hungarian fabric would look rather dull.
Be happy about it,continue to enjoy the gipsy
music and the klezmers and try atleast to
think how Hungary would look without all this??
And …most of these foregners are loyal hungarians..first and foremost.
Your envisaged “foreignerfree” Hungary might be become as exiting as “GOBI”
The EU is up to no good again, they want to import Africans and spread them all over Europe
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Small Hungary is full
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I’ve spent enough time in New York to experience the effects of the “melting pot”
Common Sense at July 16, 2010 10:20 AM
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Dear Stan,
1) You obviously listen too much to ‘bob’s constipation theories
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2) You obviously do not agree with Jobbik and Fidesz:
“Fidesz and Jobbik found something to agree on, as both parties said demographics are a top priority, and that people should be encouraged to have children because of Hungary’s dwindling population”
http://www.politics.hu/20100716/orban-promises-to-crack-down-on-magyar-garda
But we also understand that you have done nothing to create more nice Hungarians, maybe because you find the place full?
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3) You decide if it was enough. It seems to have been enough to make you financially rich, but emotionally poor
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Your repeated statements that “melting pots” need to be BIG and the US is just full of immigrants, well again you display your total lack of knowledge of the history of your alleged birth country
Hungary, as a ‘border-state’ was the typical target for mass-immigration during centuries
The Schwab and other Germans moved here because of opportunities and actual more freedom and liberties. That is a tradition you should be proud of, especially if you compare any Schwab village to a typical ‘Hungarian’ one, in Hungary today. There is a reason why Jobbik is fielding Staudt as Budapest Mayor, a German