The local prosecutor in Kecskemet, central Hungary, has asked that Janos Zuschlag, a former MP of the Socialist party who is charged with embezzling state funds, be sentenced for up to 20 years in prison, Nepszabadsag daily said on Wednesday.
Zuschlag has been the subject of a police investigation for the past 18 months and is accused of setting up a network of local foundations in the mid 1990s and appointing trusted colleagues to head them.
Among the charges the NGOs face are diverting state funds totalling 75 million forints (EUR 277,000) for the sponsorship of Socialist Party youth organisations and election campaigns.
The prosecutor has proposed prison sentences in the upper ranges of up to 14 years for six of Zuschlag’s alleged accomplices and suspended prison sentences or fines for another eight accomplices, the paper said.
According to Mark and Law Hungary is still a Communist Dictatorship, continuing since 1990 (which just was changing the curtains in the window), so how do we then see these claims from the Prosecutor?
If Ricsi, Law and Mark have their way, these type of alledged crimes should carry severe punishment, which according to them is not happening today
So which would be the proper sentencing after April 12?
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For different type of murders in Hungary you would today get between 8-14 years in prison, compared to the 20 years the Prosecutor is demanding for a typical ‘white collar’ crime
Food for thoughts on how different crimes are to be evaluated
According to Lapp Lapp he would allow crime run a muck, just like they do now, by corrupt politicians and hi level of gypsy crime.
If I had any say I would lock you up for posing as an Israel agent, for treason and spreading propaganda, and because you are a cretin! You’re one of the lowest forms of spineless scum.
I would lock you up with a gypsy criminal and Commie politicians, because psychos can only be cured by mixing with other psychos, this treatment would highlight in their faces who and what they are, otherwise they just use normal people as their prey.
“for the sponsorship of Socialist Party youth organisations”
Hypocritical, they moan and whine about right wing organisations on national or international t.v when the Socialist have their own form of ‘Hitler youth’.
@ Viking
Is this comment to you?
“If I had any say I would lock you up for posing as an Israel agent, for treason and spreading propaganda, and because you are a cretin!”
Posing as an Israeli Agent means you are not an agent but pretend to be. I must say you are doing a pretty poor job on your pretend assignment on behalf of Israel. I base this on your comments comments on their foreign policy. Maybe you should pretend to be Swedish family man living in Hungary instead. Just a helpful suggestion of course.
About your comment: “For different type of murders in Hungary you would today get between 8-14 years in prison, compared to the 20 years the Prosecutor is demanding for a typical ‘white collar’ crime”
Are Hungarian judges allowed to impose sentences according to their whim or do they have to go by the law and impose sentences according to the sentencing rules?
Example: Murder – Judges’ choice would be 8-14 years according to the severity of the crime.
Embezzlement: 10- 20 years according to who “dunnit” (politicians would be punished more severely because of being entrusted with taxpayers funds)
Is being a cretin a crime in Hungary?
Yes, Olga, I am the “Lapp Lapp”, which is an expression Law borrowed from Pav who borrowed it from Varangy
The idiots think it is an offence to call me that
I probably have Same-blood in my veins, which makes me belonging to the aboriginal Europeans, who settled in the Carpathian Basin about 35.000 years ago
A bit before those so called ‘Hungarians’ came as the 2nd wave around 7.500 years ago
These ‘Hungarians’ were very clever, they had a concept of ‘Hungarism’ already at that time and later some of them decided to take a hike over to Central Asia to hang out a couple of thousand years
About ca 1500 years ago they came back in different waves, still speaking the same language as when they left some thousand years before
This is what Law and his friends believe in, but being part of the original settlers in the Carpathian Basin, I *know*
As Mark and Law always claims – you cannot stop the Truth
Not only do I agree with a tougher sentence for Zuschlag and his gang of criminals, I would even go so far as to start confiscating property, bank accounts etc, til all the money or at least most of it, has been recovered.
This type of Law has been passed in Western Canada to help put a dent in Gang Crimes that we are experiencing here. They go so far as confiscating family members homes if it can be shown/proven that it was purchased with ill gotten gains. From what I have heard, seems to be working out pretty well for the Police. Seems fair to me.
Just asking@ I totally agree! very fair,let us do the same to all the corrupt,theiving politicians and business men who have raped Hungary since 1989,agree?
This is great to see you totally agree with Jobbiks policy regarding punishing these people,excellent to see you on our side!
Congratulations
Szebb jövőt
This is great to see you totally agree with Jobbiks policy regarding punishing these people,excellent to see you on our side!
Congratulations
Szebb jövőt
Ricsi at February 11, 2010 9:14 PM
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But should typical ‘white collar’ crimes (typical embezzlements), which it is hard to prove hurt any specific person, be harder punished than murder?
In a murder acse a person (the victim) lost his/her life
Is that of less importance than losing your savings?
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“Szebb jövőt” is the classic Hungarian Fascist Salutation, tells miles about Ricsi, the pig farmer from Pécs
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Pécs is one of the centres for the Hungarian National Minorities, the German speakers
Another thing Ricsi wants to evaporate
@Ricsi;
Please do not credit me with being familiar with all of Jobbiks policies, for I am not. I do however agree with allot of what they say; but, I also disagree on some of what they say.
I believe in foreign investing, as I said before, when/if, the playing field has not been skewed.
I do not agree with where the EU is heading, how some countries have a voice and how others are being dictated too. I do not think that Hungary can stand alone. I personally think that it needs to stand up and stop being a door mat.
I agree with how the are trying to bring national pride back to Hungary, which in my opinion is sadly lacking.
I agree with tighter Laws against violent crimes/criminals, I just wish they would stop saying “gypsiecrime” even if it were true. In Canada, our PM introduced tougher guns Laws and tough crime Law against gangs. We all know that the majority of gangs are either Native, Asian or Jamaican, we just don’t say it. The Law would treat ALL gang members the same, as they should be.
I’m on anybodies side who wants to stick up for Hungary and the Hungarian people. I just wish the Hungarian people would do a little more to help themselves. I could say a whole lot more, and would for you are a fellow Hungarian. But for now, that is all I will say.
@ Viking;
No, your right. A typical “white collar crime” can not/should not be considered equivalent to a murder. That being said, what has been transpiring in Hungary for the past 21 years (more actually) should not be considered trivial either.
The country and the people of said country have been put in a very vulnerable position by a few, for their own personal gain. There has to be some punishment for that.
There has to be some punishment for that.
justasking at February 11, 2010 9:53 PM
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True
To be honest I have not a clue if the Zuschlag-trial will be different from what we will experience the next years to come, but Rule of Law and Proven Beyond Innocent, are the main factors that we all need to adhere to
Different courts may though have different interpretations on those so important factors
@ Justasking
Re: “I would even go so far as to start confiscating property, bank accounts etc, til all the money or at least most of it, has been recovered.This type of Law has been passed in Western Canada to help put a dent in Gang Crimes that we are experiencing here. ”
As far as I know, it’s a Federal Law that you cannot profit from your crimes. Must be the same in the US as Bernie Madoff’s properties have been seized to pay back victims.
JOBBIK has not had crooked politicians because they have not been in power – this is not a put down on JOBBIK It’s a put down on politicians in general. It seems that our own politicians are just more experienced than Hungarian politicians when it comes to profiting from their positions. Luckily they also seem to be a small minority and the examples are less blatant. I am sure you know the players I am talking about and again, irrelevant on this website.
Ricsi – I found a few JOBBIK ideas that are admirable . Unfortunately for my taste, it’s the other 90% that’s offensive
@ Olga;
Yes that Law I know of, now the police have the authority to actually seized homes, cars etc from family members and such. From what I can remember, sometimes these criminals will have homes and other property in say a wife or parents name, and that used to be off limits. Now it’s not.