The Budapest memorial to WWII soldiers of the Soviet Red Army – the only remaining monument of its kind in the city – was vandalised early on Monday, police told MTI.
The metal fence surrounding the contested monument in Szabadsag Square was surmounted, and slogans such as “murderers”, “1956″ and “traitors” were daubed on the monument with red paint.
The monument was left in place under a bilateral agreement after the change in Hungary’s political system in 1990.
Over the past 20 years, the monument has been vandalised periodically.
Radical nationalists who angrily dispute that Soviet soldiers liberated Budapest from Nazi occupation are campaigning to remove the memorial.
No one has claimed responsibility and police have mounted an investigation to find the perpetrator.
We know who it wasn’t…right Mark, since you don’t even live here.
Was it not a press release from Jobbik that they planned to to this last week but were scared by the presence of police?
So, what do you call a political party that calls for illegal actions?
As much as I despise Jobbik, their plan was only to cover it with a sheet. But I agree with C’est Moi, it couldn’t have been the Jobbik supporters on this site, since most of them don’t even live here.
This is going to keep on happening …
Out of simple decency and love for my late Apa, who lived through the “liberation”, I had to leave a comment. Let’s not be delusional here. The only things that the Soviets liberated were wrist watches. They should re-name the statue the ” malinky robot” memorial in memory of the innocent civilians sent on the forced death marches to Siberia. Or the ” those Magyar sluts were saying no with their mouths but yes with their eyes” memorial in commemeration of the brutality you suffered if you happened to be between 10 and 90 years old and own a vagina. Liberators? No. Murderous peasants who drank out of and washed in toilets? Yes! I am a Magyar Amerikai, and I can not understand how that statue exists.And no, I do not favor Jobbik and I am not a fascist,Jew hater. I am only the son of a good man.
Who is Mark?
Wow! Politics.hu as training ground for Mossad agents …
Sure, if you can stand the verbal onslaught of Law and Mark and Bob you can endure anything from the rest of the world …
Now after having trained here I can start my duty as a top level Zionazi terrorist – whom do I have to kill first ?
Elvtársak, mi történt a levelemel?
Yes, Mark was right all along. I confess. I am a Zionist-Islamic-Jewish-Nazi-Turkish-Indian-Communist-child-molesting-war criminal. I work for an
I had to destroy the letter to protect my identity.
@ Curious George
No one is perfect.
BTW, the only name calling I found truly offensive is the “child molester” label. Not words I like to see thrown around as a baseless insult. The rest of the name-calling is easy to laugh at.
BTW, Farkas Laszlo always has great hope for Hungary’s future generation. Since you are in contact with the next generation, do you find them to be interested in politics? Do you discuss politics in your classroom? I would like to ask the same question from Sophist since he is a teacher as well.
Cinaed – I am not sure if you just did research in Hungary or if you taught “the future generation” – if you did, same question.
Olga: I mostly taught police trainees while I was there. As a matter of policy, specific party political discussion is not part of the classroom environment. I was, however, allowed to talk of more general political issues such as duty to state, duty to people etc. To be honest, most of my students couldn’t have had less interest in politics. This was disturbing for me, because a politically ignorant police force, is a force easily manipulated by unscrupulous management or government. I found my colleagues were also very much not interested in politics to the point of irritability at being asked about it.I was often told ‘life is hard enough, talking about politicians is just depressing.’ Away from the police community, I also found general ignorance, however, I was encouraged in Debrecen to have a very switched on boss; an entrepreneur owner of a language school.I also found that although not necessarily politically active, my wife’s friends in Budapest (all in their 20s) were very conscious of the need to get a good education and to connect with the world. Their attitude to politics was at least one of awareness and desire for genuine improvement, not just a swing to the opposite extreme. They had no racist attitudes and realised that there was more to the country’s problems than racial issues and conspiracies.
Does that answer your question?
@Olga – I’ve experienced worse name-calling in the military, and I take this with a pinch of salt & laughter. I’m more ticked off about the lack of logic & stupidity behind how our friend comes to these conclusions. But, I do agree that child-molester(& rape) comments here ignore and politicize the anguish of such victims for one’s own agenda.
Anyway, I do think Hungary’s younger generation shows a lot of potential, however, I would clarify it is the same in the other regional countries where I also work. I’m more concerned that their motivation sometimes appears to be to satisfice, rather than to excel. I feel that there should be some sort of organized or professional guidance for them to achieve that potential. Part of the reason may be because of parental ‘indoctrination’ that politics, business (& possibly also, abilities or success) in Hungary is pre-determined. Here, I find exchange programs (& the internet) a great leveler. Many of my Hungarian students are often astonished at how much their foreign classmates are interested & involved in politics and society. I also like that the traditionally ‘smarter’ ones are suddenly aware that many exchange students were highly motivated, and weren’t going to let them academically dominate the class. German & American exchange students find that students here are “so laid back”. Such ‘academic’ jolts makes them realise that things dont remain static, and that Hungarians don’t live in such a ‘contained’ world. (cont’d)
On a separate note, I find Hungarian students take responsibility for their actions & decisions much later in life than their western counterparts. Many of my students live with their parents, don’t have part-time jobs or loans to repay, or sometimes even chores to do at home. I’m no expert of social issues, but I just curious if this may be one reason why they are so detached from such issues, and influenced by their parents’ views.
I only discuss politics, in so far, as it relates to the lesson. I’ve had much longer discussions with several students outside of class than in class. Many of the wealthier Hungarian students usually have cynical comments about politics in Hungary, while the poorer ones show absolutely no interest (or knowledge) of politics. In fact, most show more interest in international or politics of other countries, because they think is so different or appears more transparent or fair. The most scathing comment I heard was from one student who’s father is on the list rich. This, to me, was a good sign, as it showed that even among the privileged young, there appears to some recogniton of the rot.
A colleague and myself were recently asked to give a talk to the student body on preparing themselves for the world(?), because our backgrounds & experiences are so unusual in Hungary. I believe that exchange programs, and sharing of knowledge & experiences like this, are some ways to stoke Hungarian students’ interest & get more involved in Hungary.
Britain will consider severing its intelligence-sharing agreement with Israel if Mossad agents are proved to have stolen the identities of British passport holders, The Daily Telegraph has learnt.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/7258631/British-threat-to-Israel-over-Dubai-Hamas-assassination.html
Kedves elvtársurak, ne tessék baszakodni a levelemel
Nagyon köszönöm
Why is it such a bad deal to be influenced by your parent’s views that have had experience in life? What’s wrong with strong moral family ties?
Hungarians haven’t the same options as the west; wages are so low in comparison. Hungarians if payed the same wages would lead a more positive life, but their not because the western EU parliament and Multi companies have stripped Hungary of all it’s assets.
Hungarians require to have a radical change of policy to bring back values, industry and to educate the reality of how the western system manipulates societies for there own greed and control.
We don’t want your kind here George, you play on an evil platform that ruins societies and keeps power elite in control.
Jobbik are the only party to offer solutions and ask the hard questions to change the future of Hungarians for the better.
Jobbik have highlighted how and why we are in this situation of today and are growing in popularity because of the simple reason that they don’t fear people like you and your type who are absorbed in pride that you don’t even realize how destructive you are to other people.
We require radical change in Hungary and the rest of the world; the flutter of Jobbik will escalate into a mass awakening that is exposing your agenda.
Re. Soviet (Occupation) Monument (in front of the Gringo Embassy) … something is rotten in the state of Denmark … We signed an agreement with the Russkies in 1995 allowing us to move the obelisk (there are no graves there) on a two year notice (see Zétényi Zsolt’s miscellaneous papers on the subject) and yet no Quisling government will actually do what we could easily do choosing to spout disinformation instead ( touching the obelisk will mean war with Russia, there are Red Army soldiers buried under the obelisk, etc.: there are no graves )WHY? (Hey, Olga, look!) I wonder. After the Paris ‘Peace’ (Trianon) Szabadság tér of course became a National Sanctuary mourning the murder of our nation (Austria-Hungary) by the Allies. This is where the Ereklyés országzászló http://➡.ws/㘑種 (Reliquary National Flag) stood, the Statue of Hungarian Pain, the statue of the Highlands by Kisfaludi Strobl Zsigmond, Sidló Ferenc’s statue of the lost Subalpine region, Szentgyörgyi István’s Southland statue and the Transylvanya statue by Pásztor János. The comprador whores are probably afraid the earth will open up and all this would reappear if they let the obelisk go so they hang on to it for dear life. For the pro Russky faction it’s also a warning to the Embassy Of The Empire in front of which it stands. What a sad, sad CIRCUS.
“Why is it such a bad deal to be influenced by your parent’s views that have had experience in life? What’s wrong with strong moral family ties?”
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If parents’ views influence children towards prejudice, defeatism, learned helplessness and isolation, I’d say that’s a bad deal.It’s very hard (not impossible) for people to change their world view when it has been conditioned into them from an early age. By all means, recognise Hungary’s history and the trauma it has experienced, but for goodness’ sake, don’t pass the pain on to the next generation.
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“Hungarians haven’t the same options as the west; wages are so low in comparison. Hungarians if payed the same wages would lead a more positive life, but their not because the western EU parliament and Multi companies have stripped Hungary of all it’s assets.”
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There’s truth in this, however, the solution is to instill a desire for growth and positive development, not isolation and antagonism. Besides, if wages were higher, the cost of living would be higher too, and disadvantage would still exist.
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Hungarians require to have a radical change of policy to bring back values, industry and to educate the reality of how the western system manipulates societies for there own greed and control.
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I actually don’t disagree with this, except that you can’t legislate values.Educate children to be responsible and to be good human beings.George is not evil, just another person with his own opinion.
@Pávaszem: If you want to see how the reliquary national flag (ereklyés országzászló) and flower beds originally looked, I think this video from 1938 shows it best “Beautiful Budapest (1938) – James A. FitzPatricks Traveltalk in Technicolor”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Utyt8u6Oa8Q
Classic footage of Budapest throughout.
Hungarians if payed the same wages would lead a more positive life, but their not because the western EU parliament and Multi companies have stripped Hungary of all it’s assets
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the flutter of Jobbik will escalate into a mass awakening that is exposing your agenda
Better Hungary at February 19, 2010 11:41 AM
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People who use the word ‘awakening’ tend to be both deaf and blind to the realities of today’s society
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Anyway the statement
“Hungarians if payed the same wages”
is built on the false assumption that ‘Western’ people are rich
They are not, they just get more nominal money to spend on higher cost just to go around and survive
Salaries in Hungary are 20-50% of West-Europe, but the cost is on a similar lever (on average)
Try to buy food for the prices you can buy it Hungary, not easy
I know, because I have the best of 2 things:
* West-European level of income
* East-European level of expenses
Any other mix would be hard to survive on
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A list of these assets
“the western EU parliament and Multi companies have stripped Hungary of”
would be helpful, so we all could judge for us selves if those assets were worth holding onto
Most of them would be old Soviet-styled factories with big pollution-problems and too high energy consumption and outdated technology
see Zétényi Zsolt’s miscellaneous papers on the subject
Pávaszem at February 19, 2010 1:47 PM
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This guy?
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http://www1.law.nyu.edu/eecr/vol9num4/special/scheppele.html
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“Zsolt Zetenyi, a former member of the postcommunist parliament and author of one of the anticommunist lustration laws struck down by the Constitutional Court, tells a story of the way in which the Hungarian crown enabled Hungarians to avoid dependence on any foreign power. He wrote in his book A Szentkorona-Eszme Mai Ertelme (The meaning of the Holy Crown today; 1997) that the crown was given to Saint Stephen by the pope but Stephen was too clever to become dependent upon the papacy as a consequence. While obedience to the pope meant pledging the crown to Saint Peter (and the church he started), according to Zetenyi, Stephen created a doctrinally complicated situation because he pledged the crown to the Virgin Mary instead. Her acceptance of it created the first of the Hungarian constitutional contracts, in Zetenyi’s view. In religious-legal terms, this loosened the hold that the Catholic Church in its formal capacity had on Hungary, and it gave Hungary a direct line to God without going through any human intermediary. The country, in this view, was Mariaorszag (the “country of Mary,” a word play on Magyarorszag—the name of Hungary in Hungarian which means, literally, the “country of the Hungarians”)
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He seems to be a bit complex guy…
Dear Vándorló!
To submit a color 1938 film of Budapest is a priceless contribution; I shall be bookmarking it! Youtube is a wonderful repository of historic film and footage. Also of interest of course are the “related videos”! I once posted some Hungarian newsreels from youtube on the Blea Lugosi tribute thread.
@ CG and Cinaed
Thanks for the student comments – does sound hopeful.
I also liked the the Simpson/elephant comment on another thread. Never heard it before
About the Russian monument in BP – hard to comprehend why it would be kept there unless it’s not legal to remove it (“The monument was left in place under a bilateral agreement after the change in Hungary’s political system in 1990.”)
According to Pavaszem, it’s legal as of 1995 to move it – if it is, why the hell is it still there?
With all the election promises, it would seem like a wise campaign promise to get it out of Hungary is elected assuming Paveszem is correct.(he has to be right once in a while)
just a suggestion, why don’t they put the monument in statue park with the rest of the communist era ‘relics’? I mean, that way it hasn’t been destroyed, or otherwise treated in a way the Russians can object to, it can be in a place that is not in the public eye (out in the sticks), and really is kind of a graveyard of its own in a way…and for me anyway, really highlights just how wrong communism was for Hungary. I mean, if the Russians or the modern socialists got upset, at least you could say the obelisk is ‘among friends’.
@ Cinaed;
To hell with that, I say blow it up. BOOM!!!
Zsuzsa: Well, I’m sure your suggestion would be a lot more fun…and probably a lot more cathartic for the population.
I was shocked when I first saw it. I could only imagine how much of a thorn in the side it is for Hungarians…the enduring insult.
@Vándorló: “Classic footage of Budapest…” Thank you.
Here is some great footage also http://kuruc.info/r/34/55437/
@Vándorló
Given your Anglo-Hungarian background, I think you’ll appreciate this:
Sunday in Budapest – 1935
Then came the Condor Brigade, Guernica, Strategic Bombing and that fucker Hitler flattenning Europe.
I mean, that way it hasn’t been destroyed, or otherwise treated in a way the Russians can object to
Cináed at February 19, 2010 4:56 PM
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I think you forget how the Russians reacted when the Latvians just ‘moved’ their Soviet-statue
It did have a Soldier Grave under it, but Latvia was not bound by a bilateral treaty as Hungary is today
Also Latvia do not have any Soldier Graves and War Monuments in today’s Russia, so the Russians could not threaten with anything more than tourist boycott, harassment at the border and internet warfare
Given the International Conference in Moscow recently where one of the Russian Vice-Presidents was upset over why other countries did not treat the old Soviet WWII monuments with respect, we will see stronger reactions in the future, if this matter is not handled delicately
Loonies vandalising it, just exposes Hungary to Russian wrath and locks the bargain position
Jobbik can chose what is the most important in the future:
* a Gas and Monument free Hungary
* a Hungary with both Gas and the Monument
There is nothing that the Russians will earn by being regarded as giving in to demands to move the Monument, there has to be a settlement, or a crisis
If the Hungarian choice will be to take a crisis, it should be done at the correct time, as part as other things, like as a protest against future Russian aggression against Georgia and/or the Ukraine
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Pav’s ‘Legal Expert’ (Zsolt Zetenyi) seems to be a bit of his own (like Pav himself
Viking: I was going on what Pav (I think) said about the two year thing, that if Hungary gave Russia two years’ notice, they could move it. I understand what you mean about the need to be pragmatic, and for the most part I agree with you. I mean, there’s not a lot of good stirring up trouble when it could actually land you worse off than you were before. On the other hand though, I can see why this monument is seen as an affront to the people of Hungary…especially the cynical reference to ‘liberation’. It’s like a constant reminder from an abuser of ‘remember, I owned you, I did what I wanted to you, and I got away with it.’ I also think that Russia really could be a bit more mature about the whole thing. It’s not like Hungary is any threat to them, so the least they could do is allow Hungary to move the thing. What if it were made into a memorial for Russian and their allies’ soldiers who died in WWII and leave out the bits that refer to ‘Soviet liberators’.
I think there has to be a balance between idealism and pragmatics, and sometimes it really is important to do something for the hearts and minds of people. So often people (and I’ve done it) talk about Hungarians forgetting the past and moving on, but in all fairness, how can they do that with a reminder to the oppression, brutality and horror of the communist ‘liberation’ right in the middle of their capital city?
I say, do the right paperwork, say the right words, jump through the hoops and get the thing moved.
So often people (and I’ve done it) talk about Hungarians forgetting the past and moving on, but in all fairness, how can they do that with a reminder to the oppression, brutality and horror of the communist ‘liberation’ right in the middle of their capital city?
I say, do the right paperwork, say the right words, jump through the hoops and get the thing moved.
Cináed at February 20, 2010 4:13 AM
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There is another statue, which everyone sees coming to Budapest – The Russian Whore
It was called so when I first started to come to Hungary (June 1990)
The Szabadság Szobor or Liberty Statue (sometimes Freedom Statue) in Budapest, Hungary, was first erected in 1947 in remembrance of the Soviet liberation of Hungary from Nazi forces during World War II. Its location upon Gellért Hill makes it a prominent feature of Budapest’s cityscape
The original inscription upon the memorial, which can be translated to read
“Erected by the grateful Hungarian Nation in memory of the liberating Russian heroes”
the inscription was modified to read (translated from Hungarian),
“To the memory of all of those who sacrificed their lives for the independence, freedom, and success of Hungary”
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It was and still is is Soviet-inspired monument, just the text was modified according to today’s mainstream opinion
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Statue_(Budapest)
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For any real facts I would advice to check anything anyone claims here
(including me and not excluding Pav and his dogs)
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Agree w u end
Viking@You dipshit,that statue was originally designed as a memorial to the death of Horthys son in 1943–the sculptor quickly changed sides when the commies came and presented it as his idea of a ‘Soviet’ liberation monument. The winged angel figure represented the aviator aspect of Horthys son who was a fighter pilot. So what you see is actually a ‘Horthy’ statue! Only the addition of Soviet soldiers around the base,since removed,were the extra contribution of Strobel,the two faced sculptor.
@Ricsi: Sorry, but the Horthy story is a well known (or apparently not so well known) urban legend. http://www.urbanlegends.hu/2005/05/horthy-szobra-a-gellert-hegyen/
Also, for those interested in the monuments/statues of Budapest and around Hungary the website http://www.szoborlap.hu is fantastic. It’s in Hungarian.
Commemorations to the past. The Present does not exist. Why?
Hungary has no real heroes except those who fought against the soviets in Budapest in 1956.
We never hear praises sung to these people?.
Anyway, the old folks at home stay, and dream of yesterday.
Today’s problems are shelved, or sacrificed, against a backdrop of hatred, contradictions, and rhetoric. No real substance to any of the posts on this forum. Ever.
Dream on. Hungary will duck and dive to survive -
as it always has.
Ooooo…look! A monumental troll by another name.
@Monumental: I know you won’t agree with me on this, but others are singing Hungary’s praises: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/20/world/europe/20iht-hungary.html
And this is following a week when Budapest beat New York by one place in terms of the ‘quality of life’ it provides for arts, health, wealth etc… And it was ranked amongst the best cities for the potential in the future. It’s not all gloom and there are plenty of people (at least 50%) who are just getting on with it while the rest squander their energy on the past.
Hungary will have a better future if not for the fact that the present is as bad as it could get. In just a few months, this corrupt, traitorous government will be out of power and those who follow have to be better. There is no reason to honor the Soviet victory with a monument in the heart of Budapest. The Soviets troops were no liberators but thieves, rapists and murderers. Jobbik is a national party that understands the difference between Stalin’s brutal Soviet Union and present day Russia. Hungary can deal with present day Russia and the removal of the Soviet monument should be no problem for Jobbik.
Vandorlo, while I don’t always agree with you I agree that Magyarok often focus only on what is going wrong and not on what goes right. As someone who visits regularly ever since the changes, damned if I don’t see some progress everytime when I am in BP. The regular people don’t see it, but I think the grey inertia of the 90′s is slowly dissolving. If the economy is down now, well, it’s down everywhere in the world.
I agree that the past should not be used to keep the present and the future hostage, but you can’t move on until you make sense of your past experience. The fact is that “liberation” monument is simply wrong and an affront to simple human decency. A monument to Custer would not be tolerated on native American reservation. A monument to Eichmann wouldn’t survive very on a square in Tel Aviv. It is true, I am an American and the reason for this is the sick depraved things that were done to my family simply because they had the courage to speak the truth. Though they are elderly now, it is not possible for them to “move on” while a monument to serial killers stands in their capital city. Ruskik haza, Kurvak!
Disagree totally, Budapest is dirty once you step away from the inner city, the buses and trams running are filthy and run down, inner city is being bought up by foreigners and mainly Israel corrupt investors, you don’t hear many Hungarians around the inner city speaking in restaurants and bars their mainly tourists and foreigners exploiting the lifestyle in comparison to their overrun multi culti Neo liberalization of their society, that’s why they come here and still see a white population, and go” AHHHHHHH” what memories of the good old days.
The misery Hungarian people face is very obvious, but you refuse to see the reality of what is happening in Hungary. Hungary for Hungarians then we will be content, fuck off foreigners.
@Hungarian: It’s ridiculous having you and others commenting on Hungary and Budapest when Elle, you and a few others are coming in from anywhere but here (from the US, UK etc…) WTF do you actually know about Budapest? And here’s the thing, Hungarian’s aren’t what racist ‘Anglo-Saxons’ like your buddies in the BNP consider ‘white’. So what on earth are you going on about?
p.s. Skin colour is a balance between getting enough vitamin D and burning alive, so evolves over time according to the Jablonski & Chaplin (2000, p. 67) equation: W = 70 – (AUV/10)
where W = skin colour, AUV = annual UV available for skin exposure.
gosh Van, you’ve got a formula for everything. How do you do that?
Ridiculous my Butt! Just wait and see how we’re going to change your corrupt exploitation of Hungary, you’re a sick fuck! You’ve had the lime light for far to long and the shows over, Fat Cat! I’m 100% Magyar last time I looked at my citizenship! So don’t raise you’re your hand at Hungarians or you are going to pay.
I do not see how anyone who is not a Hungarian can argue with you. Hungary is your home and it is your right to decide what is right for your country.
Mindenki más csak mindenki más.
Cheers, BIG JIM
@Cináed: Truth is I’ve had the ‘who is whiter than white’ nonsense relating to Hungarians and other nationalities, ethnicities hundreds of times, so its various combinations and permutations are easy enough to respond to. Funny thing is, I never get a word of thanks.
Van: somehow I can’t see you getting a lot of thanks here. It is interesting though.
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I know the multicultural argument is rejected by some here, but it has been a fundemental part of my life. The thought of someone being superior/inferior based on racial genetic predisposition just doesn’t line up with my experience. I always saw different levels of social status as being the result of long-term societal factors; not unlike the way I see Hungary has been disadvantaged because of the social and psychological experience of domination and oppression.
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What I found contradictory in Hungary is the sometimes open hatred or disgust for people with darker skin, and yet, szolariums (aka cancer vending machines) abound, with everyone desperately trying to darken their skin. (When discussing ‘Gypsy-crime’ in class, one police student said ‘the problem with Gypsies is their dark skin’) Of course Hungarians aren’t the only ones who want darker skin and szolariums are everywhere in the world. For me though, having lived in ‘the skin cancer capital of the world’, going to a place where race is such a big issue, it seems odd to me to expose your body to something potentially fatal, just so your skin can look close to the same as people you hate.
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Disclaimer: OK people, it’s not an “ANTI-HUNGARIAN STATEMENT”, it’s a SOCIAL COMMENT based on observation. Ok? I can make plenty of social comments about my own country too, but it would have nothing to do with Hungary. OK?
I’m 100% Magyar last time I looked at my citizenship!
Hungarian at February 20, 2010 6:03 PM
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A ‘Real Magyar’ does not need a citizenship
What would you call the ‘ethnic Hungarians’ in Romania, Slovakia and other places that have their countries citizenship?
And, beside the citizenship, how do you actually *prove* that you are a ‘Tiszta Magyar’?
If the citizenship is the proof, then today’s Hungary is full of ‘Tiszta Magyars’, like mine and Sophist’s half-breeds (and we do not share them…)
@Hungarian
“you don’t hear many Hungarians around the inner city speaking in restaurants and bars their mainly tourists and foreigners exploiting the lifestyle in comparison to their overrun multi culti Neo liberalization of their society”
You don’t seem to go out in the Belváros much, or if you do you only go to the tourist and foreign student traps…this weekend I didn’t hear a word of English, French or German in the four bars and clubs I was in. Everyone was speaking Hungarian, even the foreigners. That said, I did overhear a dubious trio of Americans hanging around Blaha this morning…trying to buy and validate tram tickets! Now that’s not something the average Hungarian BPer does much nowadays. So go easy on the foreigners, for aren’t we all foreigners somewhere or another.
@bobscountrybunker: “[V] will appreciate…” Vándorló’s flick’s in COLOR though which was bleeding edge for that period & it shows the Szabadság tér 99% of us have never even heard of… When did you last hear about the Ereklyés országzászló or the Statue of Hungarian Pain, honestly? Don’t be embarrassed, no one else has… Most Hungarians don’t even know that Szabadság tér wasn’t renamed by the Soviets, like Moszkva tér, Molotov tér, Vöröshadsereg útja or Rosenberg házaspár utca in the same ‘Jewish’ district of Lipótváros the obelisk is in. The ‘Jews’ are the only ones that want it there too. Unlike everyone else they really were liberated by the red peril. Liberated and put in charge. Whereupon came the Great Revenge… (On second thought the Gyppos were liberated too but they weren’t — unsurprisingly — put in charge. They were a lot more appreciated though as executioners and police snitches, roles as traditional to them as being musicians…) “that fucker Hitler flattenning Europe” It was in fact the US Air Force that ‘flattened’ us dropping so many bombs on us that we’re still finding unexploded ones every other day. Imagine how many exploded. The Germans as far as I know have never bombed us or have never been our enemies. The Anglosphere is our main enemy, has been for some time by its own choice.
@Vándorló: “a well known… urban legend” You mean obscure BS spread like a disease by the Yiddisher Kampfblatt …דער בּלאַט (Do you read ANYTHING in Hungarian that isn’t put out by Israelites?) I have seen sketches of that statue dated 1944 as a teenager at a museum where one of my best friends had a summer job with the lady holding a propeller instead of the palm branch, I also saw this here http://bit.ly/cZDRhK pic with the same date. The location of the statue may not have been decided in 44 but isn’t that beside the point? What matters is that an occupation memorial has been altered and parts http://bit.ly/bQIm5t of it moved with no objections from the Russians. So, WHY IS THE GELLERTHEGY MEMORIAL DIFFERENT? Scroll up and see what I wrote earlier.