Just over a month before the first round of Hungary’s parliamentary elections, radical nationalist party Jobbik has shown a surge in support, pollster Szonda Ipsos said.
In the decided camp, Jobbik scored 17 percent support – over three times the backing needed to get seats in parliament – while among the electorate as a whole, the radical party had double the five percent needed for representation. In January it had 12 percent support in the former camp.
Any hope among the Democratic Forum and near-defunct liberal Free Democrats that combining forces might tip them over the five percent threshold appeared dim, at least by the lights of the poll published in Nepszabadsag daily on Thursday. Only one percent of the electorate sampled indicated a vote for the small conservative party whereas the liberals had no backing whatsoever.
The new green-cum-humanist party LMP had 2 percent backing of the whole sample and 3 percent among decided voters.
Main opposition party Fidesz has been on a steady course to win a landslide for a long time, though it has shed thousands of potential voters over the past three months, dropping from 63 percent of decided voters to 57 percent in March. The Socialists have stayed virtually steady with 20 percent of decideds.
In the whole sample, Fidesz was on 35 percent compared to 12 percent for the Socialists.
The proportion of undecided voters stood at 38 percent, according to the Szonda Ipsos poll.
Viking IS ever so silent today. And yet he is usually very conscientious about being the first to post some bile after every story that concerns Jobbik.
I wonder how today could be different?…
Maybe you’re hoping that all the decent people are making preparations to leave Hungary ASAP if it should become jobo country ?
No chance, more than 15 % loonies are nowhere to be found …
PS: I had been waiting for some howling by the resident jobos here – but maybe they aren’t sure yet …
Wolfi is choking on his liver sausage. This news has thumped him in his fat midriff.
This explains the panic in the Fidesz and MSZP camps. Gyurcsany and Orban, old KISZ friends knocked each other over, running to their guru Soros for advice on how to deal with the Jobbik.
Now, we know where the smear idea came from…
Viking IS ever so silent today. And yet he is usually very conscientious about being the first to post some bile after every story that concerns Jobbik.
I wonder how today could be different?…
bobscountrybunker at March 11, 2010 1:42 PM
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I do have work to do and this morning it was more than usual
But do not fear – the Viking will be back, in a post near to yours
Sorry to disappoint all the jobos here – I’m just digesting the wonderful Hortobágyi palacsinta my wife made from the rest of yesterday’s pörkölt …
So I’m in a very good mood and will refrain from laughing too loud.
See you after the elections, all you non-voters …
Wolfi-diot
Stuffing pancakes down your throat only makes that lazy arse of yours fatter. Get out and dig the garden.
Jobbik are in “cruise” mode -convincing the voters
that a real political presence is at hand to deal wiith the old corrupt commie brigade.
@teflon:
Yeah, how many (undecided) Hungarian voters are on this site ?
All this jobo action for what – nothing ?
PS: I just came back from walking the dog in the snow, burning those extra calories …
The only good thing with this poll was LMP still has some support, otherwise it is nothing to be happy over
On the other hand, the real action is on April 11 and for me the most interesting question is if Jobbik can break through the glass-ceiling of 500.000 physical voters, or not
The % will be what it will be, it depends so much on how many voters will actually vote
Wolfi. Jobbik maybe bad for politics. But so are
the MSZP, SZDSZ, and perhaps Fidesz.
I have been critical of Jobbik policies and I am also wary about their true intentions as far as
their “nationalist” aspirations go.
I only wish sometimes you would vent some of your anger toward the government and et al. Instead of decrying Jobbik all the time. We know where you stand as far as they are concerned.
Hope you enjoyed your pancakes!
So sad that so many in Hungary are turning toward this party.
I have been reading about the policies and rhetoric of the pro-Nazi arrow cross party. Much of it is indistinguishable from Jobbick’s. It’s not just the uniforms and having a militant wing of the party that makes Jobbick so similar to the Hungarian fascists of WWII.
And when I see the videos of Jobbick marches and rallies and hear the awful racist and homophobic statements that Jobbick supporters make and see the hateful looks on their faces, I am fearful for my mother’s homeland.
Every time Hungary has taken a turn to either the hard left or right she has shamed herself. I would hope she could learn from her history instead of repeating it.
I have gone over the Jobbik manifesto that Bobs attached on another thread. Other than a couple of issues IE: euthanasia, Jobbik does not support, while I do. (I believe that sometimes God takes lives too soon and other times too late, I say this in reference to some diseases such as Alzheimer’s) I do however understand their blanket no policy, for a door would be opened for abuse to occur, and it would.
Is Jobbik as “nationalist” party? Well, yes and no, pending on your definition. Yes, they are pro-autonomy; but, they are not of the opinion that Hungarians are superior to other nationalities/countries, although that is what they have been painted to be.
Jobbik wants to protect Hungary. One can not live in a new country as if you are living in your old one. That being said, the new country has some obligation to reasonable accommodation, and Hungary has historically always done this and with Jobbik, I believe, will continue to do so.
I view this political party as a party that puts the Hungarian people needs first, and by Hungarian people, I mean the citizens of Hungary. Which sadly has not happened in 400 plus years.
So, there you go, that is my opinion. Let the attacks begin.
@Justasking: “I have gone over the Jobbik manifesto that Bobs attached on another thread. ” So you are another one on the Jobbik mű-magyar crowd that can only read English. Pathetic.
Which sadly has not happened in 400 plus years
justasking at March 11, 2010 10:26 PM
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Of these “400 plus years”, how many was Hungary an Independent State?
@ Viking;
What does Hungary being an independent state have anything to do with it?
@ Vandor;
Actually, I can read in both languages. I am just honest enough to admit that I am more comfortable reading in English
Viking and Vandorlooo you have a lot of hate against Hungarians haven’t you? Continuous smearing anyone that is proud of their nation, any other country would welcome citizens with open arms but you idiots are here to divide everyone, so screw you and i hope that we clean out your type of ratbags once and for all, we have hope again, and Jobbik appear to have great support, imagine if they had TV and Radio coverage. Szebb Jovot!!
I have some news Z give us a call
@ justasking
Re:” I view this political party as a party that puts the Hungarian people needs first, and by Hungarian people, I mean the citizens of Hungary. Which sadly has not happened in 400 plus years.
…that is my opinion. Let the attacks begin.”
I don’t think you deserve to be attacked. I agree with some of the first paragraph but what about “immigrants” like the so called Village Idiots who are assets to the economy and have family ties including kids?
Problem for me:
Suppose a book is released by a PHD in psych advising how to raise happy well adjusted children. Some of the advice was sound.
Then you get to a part that advocates
that in order for kids to learn respect, parents should use corporal punishment because physical abuse and fear simply makes kids know who the boss is.
I don’t know about you but I would not separate the good advice and ignore the odious parts – I would conclude that the author,PhD notwithstanding is a f..ing moron and I would throw the book in the garbage.
I hope you realize this is not about my implying JOBBIK is violent- it’s just a party that has some vile ideas and not matter how some of the ideas might be great, in the big scheme of things
the bad outweighs the good.
My hope for any Democratic country that has been oppressed as long as Hungary has is to have a political party to vote for that’s promoting Hungarian interest while being “inclusive”
I don’t think “the attacks will begin” for you
I view this political party as a party that puts the Hungarian people needs first, and by Hungarian people, I mean the citizens of Hungary. Which sadly has not happened in 400 plus years.
justasking at March 11, 2010 10:26 PM
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Which sadly has not happened in 400 plus years
justasking at March 11, 2010 10:26 PM
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Of these “400 plus years”, how many was Hungary an Independent State?
Viking at March 11, 2010 10:50 PM
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@ Viking;
What does Hungary being an independent state have anything to do with it?
justasking at March 11, 2010 10:56 PM
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Try this:
* If a State does not exist as an Indipendant State, but occupied by another State, how would then a “party that puts the Hungarian people needs first, and by Hungarian people, I mean the citizens of Hungary” at all be able to just put the “citizens of Hungary” first?
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Any ‘politicians/leaders’ at such a time would just be doing the dirty-work for the occupiers, right?
Like Rakosi, Kadar, etc during the Soviet-occupation 1945-1990?
The only good Hungarian leaders were the ones involved in the different Kuruc-movements, anti-Ottoman/Habsburg?
Or these leaders were also not putting the Hungarian citizens need first?
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You put the time-span 400 years, so I suppose you studied the leaders during these centuries
@ Olga;
I don’t understand your point about the “village idiots”. Are you asking me if I consider them Hungarian? If you are, then the answer is yes I consider them Hungarian. But, it does not matter what I think.
You need to ask Viking if HE feels, that he is a Hungarian Swede?
@ Viking;
Aaarrrrr! Stop being such a horses ass will ya?
@ justasking
To the best of my knowledge, the “Village Idiots” are exclusively male (I want to be part of it since I don’t believe in boys’ clubs) It’s Elle’s term so she may want to define it better but that’s how I understand it.
The “Village Idiots” reside in Hungary with partners, some with and some without kids. They have not taken out Hungarian citizenship. They work hard, support the economy and might not “feel Hungarian” ( who cares how they feel?) but they are an asset to the country like some of our own immigrants. (Let’s face it , some of our immigrants are a liability.) Their mortal sin is their inability to support neo-Nazi ideology.
“Feeling Hungarian” are empty words.
It’s been a 6 months journey on this website for me to stop being in denial. Despite waiving my Hungarian Birth Certificate and Passport around I haven’t done a bloody thing for my country and saying ” I am proud to be Hungarian” “Feeling Hungarian” sounded good but I know now they are meaningless. In fact 1/10th of a “Village Idiot” is worth a heck of a lot more to Hungary than me.
I am just getting over the shock acknowledging this. So give me time to figure out how I can be an asset. FL had some ideas and so did you about the stocks.
I envy you for the opportunity to be in Hungary soon. Not in the cards for me at the moment.
@Law: I think you and justasking are pathetic (you can’t, actually, read much if anything in Hungarian can you?). Neither of you resemble any Hungarian I know, so your assertion is wildly unfounded.
And yet more proof from Law and Justasking of the orchestrated sock-puppeting of Jobbik.
@ Vandor;
My, my…aren’t you the aggressive one tonight!
What is it? Are you mad that nobody seems to be responding to your E-Harmony ad?
I wonder what could be holding them back? Hm-mm, your lack of personality? You being arrogant enough to take ones breath away? Ears so big, that one could fly to France with? Gigantic crooked teeth usually associated with British men?
Now, what I want to know is, exactly, how is it Laws and my fault that you were born with a face for blogging?
@justasking: Jobbik’s manifesto has been available since Jan 15th and there was no announced schedule for an English version, yet on this basis you, Law, Mark and Ricsi have all been fully supportive of policies you couldn’t possibly understand since, by your own admission, you didn’t know what they were until now. Now that you have read a redacted version in English. Pathetic. You freaks are not Hungarians.
@ Vandor;
Nice spin there Spanky, but not quite.
From what I understand from both Law and Ricsi, they have been involved with Jobbik for awhile now, if not from the beginning. So, I would hazzard a guess that they know more about Jobbik then your sorry ass.
As for me, I knew enough about Jobbik to understand and appreciate what they were striving for just by reading their web-sites, in both languages.
Having it spelt out in a short 24 page manifesto in English ta boot, was just icing on the cake.
So the way I see it, your the one who’s pathetic.
“You freaks are not Hungarians.”
Vándorló at March 12, 2010 12:53 AM
@ justasking
Well done, Zsuzsa, for the reflection you obviously devoted to the JOBBIK manifesto. I have already congratulated you for suggesting its discussion. There was, sadly, no take-up of that suggestion – just the usual smears flying blindly. Something is a bit cock-eyed, though, when Vándorló decides to yell at you and Law that you are freaks, sock-puppets and not Hungarians because you express approval of JOBBIK. I do not want to give this more importance than it deserves, but this sort of viciousness is worrying. There seem to be quite a few people in Hungary who hate the nation. You have seen on this site that at least a half of posters have no purpose in being here but to run down everything and anything Hungarian. JOBBIK is, of course, altogether too brazenly Hungarian for their tolerance.
I shall be leaving for Hungary before the weekend, and ahead of my husband and son, for I just have to be there. I am driving everyone around me nuts with talking incessantly about what is happening in Hungary. Being there, I shall not have to allay anxiety with talk.
Let me say that both you and Law are Hungarians, and very fine ones.
Szebb Jövőt!
@justasking
You’re a lady? And I have throughout been referring to you as a gentleman. How embarassing!
Kezit csókolom.
(Not a word Vándorló!)
People like Viking or wolfi who are Hungarian only in terms of the geographical location of either their bodies in Hungary, or their penises in Hungarian women
bobscountrybunker at March 12, 2010 1:30 AM
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I never ever claimed to be Hungarian, so I do not know why I should be referenced in that context
I have also publicly here declared that I have no intention, for the moment, to try to become an Hungarian, then I just live here
80% of my money I bring in from abroad
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Like Van The Man I can work virtually everywhere, so I do not need Hungary to survive
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Look more at me like the guy who works in the big city, commuting (or teleporting) to the suburbs
Hungary is that suburb for me, it is nice when the weather is nice
With this winter though, maybe I feel it will be nice to have a winter-resort a bit more South
@ Olga;
Look, I don’t understand how a person would want to live in a country, set up a life in that country, have children with a native of that country and consider retiring in that country, yet still want to call themselves a “citizen of the world” loyal to nobody but themselves.
You on the other hand, were born in one country, raised in another country and still feel affection for both. Go figure.
Who cares how they feel? I do.
What happened to respecting that place of residence? I insist that people who move to Canada integrate, so why should they not do the same in Hungary?
As for their Political views? I don’t care, vote for whoever you want, that is your right.
What I do object to, is their attitude towards Hungarians, it’s history, culture, you name it. Not only is it condescending and disrespectful, but there is absolutely no attempt/interest to even try and understand.
And yet you are the one who feels that she is lacking. Hardly.
You want to feel like an asset to Hungary? Do that by believing in Hungary, supporting Hungary any which way you can. So you can’t pop over every 5 minutes, who cares, go when you can, invest if you can.
Just by the sheer reason for wanting/caring/interested enough to do something is enough. Teach your children about their heritage, get them wanting to know more, so that one day they too pass it on.
What happened to respecting that place of residence? I insist that people who move to Canada integrate, so why should they not do the same in Hungary?
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What I do object to, is their attitude towards Hungarians, it’s history, culture, you name it. Not only is it condescending and disrespectful, but there is absolutely no attempt/interest to even try and understand
justasking at March 12, 2010 1:53 AM
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So,
a) how did I not integrate in Hungary?
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b) how is my attitude towards Hungarian history, culture, you name it, “condescending and disrespectful, but there is absolutely no attempt/interest to even try and understand”?
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You just made a statement that no Hungarian political party had cared for Hungarians for the last 400 years, well *how* could they when Hungary was occupied for most of that time?
Why is stating known facts being “condescending and disrespectful”?
How does that constitute “absolutely no attempt/interest to even try and understand”?
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Can you only be ‘A Loyal Hungarian’ if you read kuruc-info and march in pace with Jobbik?
Why is it anti-Magyar to remind about Hungarian leaders like:
- Pál Szepesi,
- Mátyás Szuhay,
- Count Paul Wesselényi,
- Mihály Teleki,
- Imre Thököly,
- Francis II Rákóczi?
If you think these guys were so bad for the Hungarian people, why not argue that case instead?
I willing to learn
Being a Swede I am pragmatic also
@ justasking
Good advice about my kids and learning more about Hungary.
It’s simple for me.
The Allied forces including Canadian soldiers died to stamp out Hitler and the Nazis. As you know, we remember their sacrifice every November 11th in the Commonwealth countries.
Any political party that wants to bring back the good ole’ Nazi days negates the life and memory of every soldier who died.
JOBBIK to me is not about Hungary – it’s about Nazis.Moreover they are a minority so they don’t even represent Hungary. This website does not represent Hungary.
I love Canada and I am without a doubt a patriotic Canadian. It is my duty to make sure our soldiers did not die in vein. Their enemy were the Nazis therefore my enemies are the Nazis.
Not much to think about.
@ Bobs;
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Sorry, I’m not a lady…I’m a woman.
According to Viking there are no “ladies” on this site.
As for interrupting conversations, you can join in any of mine when ever you please, consider it a standing invitation.
The comment about Viking and Wolfie’s kookies, that was funny. Not as funny as the Lenin bust one; but, right up there.
@ Elle;
Have a safe flight and take care.
@ Olga;
Hey, your from Eastern Canada and I from the West…we are not suppose to agree politically. As a Canadian, I too am patriotic and honour Nov 11 every year to show my gratitude to the men and women that risked it all, so that we could enjoy what we have today.
Jobbik does not want to bring back the glory days of Hungary (Christ, you’d almost have to go back to the days of Attila the Hun for that!) Jobbik just wants Hungary to get back on it’s feet and I do as well.
@ Viking;
It’s late and my show is on tonight, so I will get back to you tomorrow in regards to you 2:32am post. I’m sure that you are waiting in anticipation for my response
I shall be leaving for Hungary before the weekend, and ahead of my husband and son, for I just have to be there. Elle at March 12, 2010 1:38 AM
It would be wonderful if you could attend Jobbik’s March 15 meeting at Deák tér and even more wonderful if you stayed long enough to vote. The March 15 meeting should be huge, even historic.
Szebb Jövőt!
Not one post on this site has ever addressed the concerns of ordinary workaday people in Hungary.
Holocaust denial, gypsies, WW1, WW11, Trianon,
Jobbik’s manifesto, foreign countries,etc. all take precedence.
I am not a political animal but would prefer the
conversation was directed to issues in Hungary.
Vándorló lives and works here and would be better served directing the debate to pertinent issues. At least he knows a lot, and can teach the rest of us a thing or two, about what is actually going on here at the moment. Viking also is conversant with Hungarian life and can assist in painting a picture of the real world, here.
Instead he preferes to engage in the puerile argument that goes on forever and supposedly passes for educated debate.
@Hustings
“Not one post on this site has ever addressed the concerns of ordinary workaday people in Hungary.”
Hustings at March 12, 2010 11:52 AM
Big Jim I do not see how Hungary will have a “Szebb Jövőt!” by returning to racist and nationalistic policies of 1944.
Should Jobbick ever ascend to power, you’ll see tourism and investment flee from Hungary. And then your “Szebb Jövőt!” will be a truly “Csúnya Jövőt”.
The images of Garda rallies has already disgusted much of the world. Any fool can see the strong resemblance to the Arrow Cross and Nazis. Should that become the norm, Hungary will stand alone.
@Pete H.
That is a load you just dumped here, racist, nationalistic, Arrow Cross and Nazis.
Can you think of a few others while you are at it?
I do not see anything even close to the Nazis in Jobbik and Magyar Garda. Hungarians never had a taste for the Nazis but Hitler helped regain parts of Hungary lost at Trianon. The choice was to make a deal with Hitler for lost territories or with Stalin. What difference is there between Communist tyranny and Nazi tyranny?
The only real Nazi state in existence today is Israel. Nazi Hungary? No, not a chance. Hungarians are not even close to Israel. Nobody is.
About Hungary being left alone? That would be wonderful. All those who cannot identify with Hungary and Hungary’s national interests should leave.
Any fool can see the strong resemblance to the Arrow Cross and Nazis.
Pete H. at March 12, 2010 5:06 PM
@ Viking;
First off, I said that Jobbik is a political party that I feel puts the needs of the Hungarian people first. I never said that to be a “loyal Hungarian” you had to step in line with Jobbik.
I’m a loyal Canadian and vote Conservative, Olga is a loyal Canadian and she votes Liberal. But do you notice how we talk about Canada? Do you ever hear us running it down, as if it was a sport? No.
When I referenced that past 400 plus years, I was
talking about the Turks, Hapsburg’s and the USSR. They took what they could from Hungary. I hardly think that the citizens of Hungary were at the forefront of these occupiers minds.
As for the Kuruc-movement you referred to and men like Wesselenyi, Rakoczi and Thokoly, they were all pro self government for Hungary. How can that not be seen as putting the Hungarian peoples needs first? They wanted Hungary to get out from under the thump of Austria. I think that’s pretty patriotic.
As for Rakosi and Kadar, yes 2 outstanding Hungarian individuals who loved Hungary and treated it’s citizens with respect. Kinda reminds me of the government in power today in Hungary. Can’t you just feel the love?
As for you having integrated into Hungarian society, really…when? Do you even know what integrated means?
As for being condescending and disrespectful towards Hungary, just read any of your posts.
Any fool can see the strong resemblance to the Arrow Cross and Nazis.
Pete H. at March 12, 2010 5:06 PM
When I referenced that past 400 plus years, I was
talking about the Turks, Hapsburg’s and the USSR. They took what they could from Hungary. I hardly think that the citizens of Hungary were at the forefront of these occupiers minds.
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As for you having integrated into Hungarian society, really…when? Do you even know what integrated means?
As for being condescending and disrespectful towards Hungary, just read any of your posts.
justasking at March 12, 2010 6:56 PM
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1) No you did not
You wrote:
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I view this political party as a party that puts the Hungarian people needs first, and by Hungarian people, I mean the citizens of Hungary. Which sadly has not happened in 400 plus years.
justasking at March 11, 2010 10:26 PM
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In plain English it means:
* NO other party has *ever* put the needs of the “citizens of Hungary” first (for the last 400 years, equals Modern Times for the rest of us)
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You claim Jobbik is the 1st and only ‘Real Hungarian’ party for the last 400 years
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My exact point was that Hungary was occupied during most of these years, including the years after 1870, when Kossuth Lajos was still trying to collect an army to invade ‘Hungary’ to liberate it
Kossuth was bad?
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With that understanding you display for the Hungarian history, we (my dog and me) have no problem understanding you do not think we have integrated in the local community where we live
Sorry need to run and bite some more locals that still cannot understand *we* are the integrated, and not them
No Viking, this is how it’s now going to work.
You make outlandish statements, like about Jobbik being the Hungarian Nazis of the 21st Century?
You prove them.
And if “this is not what you have ever said.”
Then what you get to do: is shut the fuck up.
If not? Then you demonstrate this “resemblance.”
Quoting people who say the word “resemblance” by the way, doesn’t tend to consitute proof.
I’m very eager to see how much your ludicrous knowledge of the Hungarian political present, is mirrored by an equally laughable aquaintance with the Hungarian past.
I would remind you that if the Nemzetbiztonsági Hivatal (Office of National Security), for example, get to use the Árpád Stripes flag today, then so does anyone else.
So… I eagerly await your as ever fascinating paranoid fantasies. Please explain to us how the polls are now showing that 1 in 5 Hungarian voters are going to vote for somethign resembling the Nazi party on April the 11th.
@ Viking;
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NO, In plain English it means:
I think this political party puts the Hungarian peoples needs first.
Do you see the word ONLY anywhere??? Do your see the words FIRST anywhere? Or how about ” Real Hungarian”???
You know Viking, I think your adorable when your slow
On that note though, I will admit that you are correct. I should have wrote:
” I view this political party as a party that puts the Hungarian peoples needs first, and by Hungarian people, I mean the citizens of Hungary.
Which sadly, between the years 1526-1919 and 1944-2010, did not occurred.”
My understanding of Hungarian history is just fine, sloppy at time yes, lack of knowledge…hardly.
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Integrate: (Mix; merge; blend; join; unite)
“To become an accepted member of a group and it’s activities”, ” become one”
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” I never claim to be Hungarian”
” I have no intention to try and become Hungarian, I just live here 80% of the time”
” I don’t need Hungary to survive”
” Look more to me like the guy who works in the big city, commuting to the suburbs…Hungary is that suburb”
Viking, March 12, 2010 1:51 am
With this understanding that you have shown towards meaning of integrate, I (sorry, have no dog) have no problem concluding the you feel slightly superior to the local community where you reside and refuse to become a part of.
Sorry, gotta run, need to make supper :
No Viking, this is how it’s now going to work.
You make outlandish statements, like about Jobbik being the Hungarian Nazis of the 21st Century?
You prove them.
And if “this is not what you have ever said.”
Then what you get to do: is shut the fuck up.
If not? Then you demonstrate this “resemblance.”
Quoting people who say the word “resemblance” by the way, doesn’t tend to consitute proof.
I’m very eager to see how much your ludicrous knowledge of the Hungarian political present, is mirrored by an equally laughable aquaintance with the Hungarian past
bobscountrybunker at March 13, 2010 12:36 AM
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Sad, but too much into the glass again?
Read the fucking post:
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Any fool can see the strong resemblance to the Arrow Cross and Nazis.
Pete H. at March 12, 2010 5:06 PM
Please explain to us how the polls are now showing that 1 in 5 Hungarian voters are going to vote for somethign resembling the Nazi party on April the 11th
bobscountrybunker at March 13, 2010 12:36 AM
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That maybe Wolfie’s parents can answer better, they have the experience
@ Viking;
)
If you just say “uncle” I’m sure Bobs will stop kicking you ass all over this site.
I can see that he is getting to you, just by you posting comments on the wrong thread.
If you only knew how much I am enjoying this exchange between you and Bobs
Which sadly, between the years 1526-1919 and 1944-2010, did not occurred
justasking at March 13, 2010 1:16 AM
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I never had a problem with your original statement on Jobbik, it was just that 400 year perspective that did not cut it
As I wrote in another post, if the ‘Hungarian State’ did not factually exist (stop choking on the supper now, the ‘Hungarian Nation’ existed, OK?), no political parties (in the *legal* sense) could have existed
You may understand why ‘elle/sopie/tunde’ and I will never agree on anything, then he/she will never learn to be *exact* to the legal/scientific terms he/she is using
I also find my wife not being *exact* in some her statements, so…I write no more
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If you still want to stand to your statement you will though, like Kossuth, denounce Count Andrassy and others who cosy up to the Habsburgs after the failure of 1848-49
And you will throw in your support for Admiral Horthy’s time as regent
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But which were the parties in Horty’s time that was like Jobbik?
@ Viking;
First off, Andrassy did not “cosy up”to the Hapsburg’s and I really wish you would stop saying that. Andrassy possessed the type of personality that when he talked people listened, it was how he approached situations that made him respected by both his fellow Hungarians and the Hapsburg’s as well. You may call this “suck holing”, I call it “catching more flies with honey than you can with vinegar”.
As for you insistence of to the letter of legal and scientific terms… you arrogant little schmuck. Remember when I explained to you what “Magyarorszag a Magyaroke” really meant as opposed to what you thought it meant? Instead of saying “shit, I might of had it wrong” you go on this back peddling of “yes maybe if we were in a legal setting, blah, blah, blah.
Now, your question of what political party existed during the time of Horthy, that would be similar to Jobbik…why and who cares?
Do you know what “Magyarorszagert Mozgalom” means? Exact translation “For Hungary, a movement”
Jobbik technically is a political party. To me though, sitting across the pond, Jobbik is truly a movement of people who have had enough.
I know that in Canada, both the Liberal & Conservative parties, although different views, have Canada and it’s people interest at heart. I even feel that way with the Republicans and Democrats in the USA. Different views/approach but, with the people and country interest first. I don’t feel that with Fidesz & MSZP, I do however with Jobbik.
Andrassy did not “cosy up”to the Hapsburg’s and I really wish you would stop saying that. Andrassy possessed the type of personality that when he talked people listened, it was how he approached situations that made him respected by both his fellow Hungarians and the Hapsburg’s as well. You may call this “suck holing”, I call it “catching more flies with honey than you can with vinegar”
justasking at March 13, 2010 5:42 AM
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I would call it pragmatic
I do not say it is wrong, but I still notice the discrepancy between Kossuth Lajos said and did, which was clearly guided by an ‘ideology’ and the pragmatic approach that the ones who stayed or returned after sometime after 1849 and were granted amnesty
Why I keep dragging up this issue is that I think it *has* bearing on Hungary today and the time 1910-1990
I do not think that Andrassy was so unique the last 150 years or so
There must have been others like him and some day it will be time to re-value them
Do not ask me to name one, I do not know Hungarian history so well!
I only feel that the history since 1910 is so infected into today’s situation, no common agreement would be possible in Hungary today
And that is a sad things for Hungarians, then it stops them from unite and try to go forward instead of in-fighting
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I could of course be wrong, but I think Germans have much more a common agreed understanding of their past and can therefore better move forward
@ Viking;
I think I understand what you are trying to say and I do agree with you about the in fighting.
That being said, I’m going to get back to you about the rest of your post, I just want to think on it for a bit before I do.
The problem is that if our history is revealed it would turn the whole of European version on it’s head, so that’s the reason there is so many current scholars out there so critical of any new discoveries or past ones that would upset their own interests and ideology,
The Scyth Hun Avar and Magyar History has all been tampered with and if people new that the Carpathian basin had a huge influence on forming Europe which has been hijacked by the establishment.
Instead of looking at the negative aspect look at how fantastic it will be to discuss and debate history without the Neo Liberals trying to protect these lies, Viking you arse wipe you’re on a continuous crusade to condescend Hungarians with your pathetic lies, trying to make out that Hungarians have no hope of ever being able to write History, History is an evolving progressive document that when new discoveries are made the writings as well.
Viking you arse wipe you’re on a continuous crusade to condescend Hungarians with your pathetic lies, trying to make out that Hungarians have no hope of ever being able to write History, History is an evolving progressive document that when new discoveries are made the writings as well.
Law at March 13, 2010 8:56 AM
When did the village idiot get promoted to arse wipe?
The Jobbik surge has created panic in the Communists and there is ample evidence of it here and on ATV. What is surprising is that it also created panic in Fidesz and it shows up in increasingly dirty attacks against Jobbik and Vona in the Fidesz media, HirTV, EchoTV, Magyar Hirlap and various Fidesz sites. It is also sad because some people who want a sebb jövőt for Hungary hoped for better relations and possible cooperation on issues important for Hungary between Fidesz and Jobbik. One should ask who benefits most from a nasty Fidesz-Jobbik fight. Is there a Fidesz-MSZP coalition in the making against Jobbik?
To continue about ‘Pragmatism’ and the ‘Hungarian Way’ let us think the following about Trianon:
* Basically all Hungarians think negative about Trianon
* Most Hungarians would like that the ‘Hungarian-speaking’ areas in Pre-Trianon parts of Hungary would, in some way, be re-joined with Post-Trianon Hungary
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I think those 2 statements are valid (at least as a working thesis at the moment)
In which way can any Hungarian Political Movement fulfil this wish to ‘re-unite Pre-Trianon Hungary’?
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1) One way is of course to, as ‘Rulers of Hungary’ (Government nowadays):
* tear all agreed bi-lateral agreements (from the middle of the 90s),
* formally leave the EU, NATO, OCSE and all other similar International Organisations that would prevent/resists/condemn the actions to come,
* there is no reason to believe that the neighbouring countries, that hold the pre-Trianon areas will give away land just because Hungary is asking, so there is an urgent need to build up the New Independent Hungarian Military Forces (NIHMF), just to create some ‘bargaining power’,
* West-Countries and maybe even Russia will refuse to sell weapons to Hungary, then Russia supports Serbia and the rest of the countries are of course ‘anti-Hungarian’, so getting weapons to advanced weapons systems will be very hard
* The alternative can be to start ‘asynchronous warfare’ in the ‘occupied territories’
This is not so hard and demands few sophisticated weapon-systems,
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Cont
Cont
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* As any Military Expert will tell you, that to keep land, you need to have boots on the ground, so eventually the re-named Magyar Garda will march into the ‘Liberated Areas’ in the name of the NIHMF
* And all Hungarians will live happily in peace and harmony afterwards, because its neighbours will see the errors they have done and neither resist or counter-attack
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So above is the Jobbik-version on how to ‘take back the Lost Territories’
If any one have variation on that theme, please feel free to submit them
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The other variant, let call it ‘pragmatism’, understood around 1990 (probably a few years before) that the violent ‘take-back’ method would not work, so let us try another method:
* Join the NATO (to get protection from the Russians and the aggressive Serbs (at that time Milosevics was the big Nationalist Star in Europe)
* Also a NATO membership keeps cost down on creating a new, from the old Soviet-structure separated, military forces structure
* Join the EU to exactly get:
+ One Market (Hungarian products for Hungarians, regardless were in the pre-Trianon area they live)
+ One Currency (Hungarians would use the same currency inside the pre-Trianon area)
+ No Internal Borders (Hungarians would be able to move nearly as freely as if it really was pre-Trianon)
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So, this would be the ‘pragmatic’ approach, not 100%, but ‘as good as can get at the moment’
Similar to how the Hungarian Leaders (or Traitors, if you are on that side of the argument) argued in 1867
Bobs. “The floor is yours, please begin”…after you, my good sir!!
Now you should know why the arguments here go nowhere.
I live, eat, shit, and work in Hungary.
Nothing on this site resembles the real world.
You are in your bunker. Safe and cozy there.
ps. I actually agree with a lot of your comments.
But in the long term are they going to change anything. I was out in the freezing cold today along with six Hungarians working hard. I paid the wages so they can eat.
This is the real world me ol’ china.
1)I live, eat, shit, and work in Hungary.
2) Nothing on this site resembles the real world.
Hustings at March 13, 2010 7:01 PM
1)I can neither agree nor deny your first statement. You did not say if you were a Hungarian but that would not be up to you to say. You need to check with one of the village idiots because they represent the authority here on who is a real Hungarian.
2) Your second statement is right on. Take away Law and Elle and we have no Hungarian voters on this list, unless you are a Hungarian voter. The list is useless waste of time but it passes for some entertainment. The list owner is not Hungarian either and he picks the topics to suit his pro neo-liberal bias.
This list is best described by the characters, Olga, Viking, wolfie Clueless George and some loon called Cemoi or something. Not one Hungarian in the bunch. Do you really, honestly feel that Bob, who writes exceptionally good English and Hungarian and seems to have an extensive knowledge of history, especially Hungarian history is so out of place here? Just what are those high standards that would disqualify Bob from posting?
Hungarians will have an election on April 11 that will be historic. It could mark the end of 65-year Communist rule in Hungary. It could also be the beginning of reclaiming Hungary, natural resources, lands, water, government, social and political power and media for its rightful owners, the Hungarians. Unless you are a Hungarian voter as Law and Elle are, it is none of your business what Hungarians decide but that does not prevent you or anyone else to sound off.
Bob had a reasonable suggestion. Step up to the challenge or not, it is your call.
Hungarians will have an election on April 11 that will be historic. It could mark the end of 65-year Communist rule in Hungary
BIG JIM at March 13, 2010 7:33 PM
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So how come the following years are not deducted from thos 65 years (1945-2010)?
* MDF-lead Government 1990-94
* Fidesz-lead Government 1998-2002
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Or these 8 years were also part of the “65-year Communist rule in Hungary”?
If so, *how* will the 2010 year elections change *anything*, if the thing is just to keep MSZP out of Government?
How will the “Communists” *not* keep power in the next Parliamentarian period 2010-2014, if they could do that already in 1990-94 and 1998-2002?
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Either ‘mark’ does not know jack-shit what he is talking about or he knows ‘something’ he is not telling people?
And that ‘something’ has nothing to do with Jobbik becoming a minority party in the next Parliament
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Remember Jobbik has declared that it will not go into a coalition Government, so it is ‘all or nothing’ for them and given the fact they will not be the biggest party, what *real* difference will their presence make, except some funny clothes and fiery speeches, like in Brussels so far?
@Viking:
“You took the words right out of my mouth” about the Fidesz reign being part of the communist terror or whatever – at least in the mind of Bl*w J*b (heck this always comes to my mind when I read BJ, must be my h-wife …)
Clueless George may be an irritating pest but there is no way that he can qualify for village idiot. If CG wants to be a village idiot, he has to do more than just stupid. My suggestion for CG is to read these recent posts from the village idiot duo, learn from their stupid mindless inconsistencies and imitate them.
CG need not be concerned about not having an h-wife to qualify for village idiot. When these village idiots talk about their h-wives, I recall the episode in “Everybody Loves Raymond” where Robert tells Raymond that their parents did not get little Raymond a dog he wanted but a rock instead. Raymond was devastated but finally understood why his dog did never moved. Robert was so mean to tell poor Raymond the truth after all these years Raymond thinking that he had a dog.
@BJ on Raymond- Now I understand why Ray always has a ‘forced’ smile. But, his dog……..? Well, whatever rocks your boat.
I’m writing this message being considered a first generation Canadian of Hungarian decent (living in Toronto). Although thanks to the multicultural cesspool I live in, over my 25 years I have come to identify more and more with Europe and my Hungarian herritage. At the end of the day I now condider myself a unofficial Hungarian living abroad.
To date my family has donated $450.00 to Jobbik, and we will continue to donate more in the future.
Please support Jobbik in the upcomming election, because they are the only party truly standing up for the ethnic Hungarian people and their interests.
To date my family has donated $450.00 to Jobbik, and we will continue to donate more in the future.
peclipse at March 15, 2010 5:23 AM
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Out of curiosity:
* How are Hungarian funding rules set up for foreign support?
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In Sweden (at least before, can have changed with the EU) it was equal to High Treason for a Swedish Party to receive foreign support
This was mainly to stop Soviet financing the Swedish Communists
@peclipse at March 15, 2010 5:23 AM
The generosity of your family shows that they are following the example of most patriotic Hungarians living abroad. Previously, patriotic Hungarians saw Fidesz as the only alternative to the blood-sucking Communist MSZP/SZDSZ coalition. Many patriotic Hungarians still support Fidesz and while there is nothing wrong with that those who believe that Hungary needs a radical change support Jobbik in increasing numbers.
You say that you are 25 years old. Hungary would greatly benefit from someone such as you moving to Hungary, establishing yourself, marrying a Hungarian girl and having a Hungarian family. Life would not be easy for you in Hungary but others, such as Ricsi and Law have shown that the children of Hungarian refugees can come home, claim their Hungarian heritage and contribute for Hungary’s szebb jövő. Your knowledge of English and western society would be especially useful.
Ignore the village idiot’s question. Not worth your time.
@peclipse: Well, Jobbik official accounts claim they only spent 10million forints since 2004, so your donation is indeed generous. Of course, as they are the party of ‘honesty’ and ‘transparency’ no one would question those figures, even if they had a hard time keeping track of them themselves resulting in them being posted 5 years too late. Anyway, the main thing is that they are ‘honest’ and ‘transparent’ and not at all dishonest.
I’m a tiny bit puzzled though by the website Képmutatás: http://kepmutatas.hu/
This has been tracking all the parties’ spending so far and shows Jobbik have spent at least 48.828million forints so far. How can that be? Is this part of the conspiracy to discredit all those faithful mű-magyars living abroad who like to interfere in things they don’t understand and have no experience of?
@peclipse – this is the first time I have agreed with something BJ has said. I feel you should come here (even if he won’t), if only to learn more about Hungary. Regardless of your political views & abilities, I feel Hungary could gain from your contributions & your money. Somehow, I get the impression that Canada would also benefit if you moved here.
As for getting a H-wife, it appears that Viking & Wolfi could probably give you better advice than Ricsi or Law.
If you’re into dudes, then ‘BJ on Raymond’ is probably the guy to go to.
Me? Oh, I just add to the multicultural cesspool.
I checked kepmutatas.hu and it is garbage. They do not show how they come up with their numbers but they expect people to believe them. Far more believable Jobbik’s statement that they spent 10 million forints than this unsubstantiated 48.828 million forints claimed by these képmutatók.
It is beyond laughable how these foreigners who for whatever reason learned to read and write Hungarian set themselves up as authority on who is magyar and who is not. Peclipse is as Hungarian as he chooses to be. For one thing, he is not smearing Hungary and patriotic Hungarians. He could get on a plane, land in Hungary and would be accepted by Hungarians, no question about it. He would not need the OK of foreign pests to tell him who he is. Right on Peclipse, move to Hungary and show these foreigners what a real Hungarian is made of. On second thought, don’t bother to show them anything. They are not worth it.
@Big Jim: “They do not show how they come up with their numbers…” Unfortunately for you the website is in Hungarian, so you were unable to understand the link button that said “Tovább a részketekért” (‘for more details follow here’).
That’s a really dirty trick for Hungarians to play on mű-magyars. They should write everything in English so that all the Jobbik supporters here can understand what is going on. It’s completely unfair that people like justasking had to wait 2 months to read jobbik’s program. Hopefully when Zázrivecz takes his exalted place beneath the baldachin we can ask him to make sure everything is in English so real Hungarians can understand it all.
Ahhh, Vandor, Vandor, Vandor…always the asshole eh?
@ peclipse
I also live in Toronto
You are the perfect age to leave our city and establish a career. You could join the MG and live happily ever after. I see good things for you.
I bet you already have you Hungarian passport which means you can start work right away – if for any reason you don’t have that passport ,you can get it in 6 months like I did.
If you listened to CTV last week, (I actually posted statistics) multi-culturalism is here to stay and the numbers of non-Caucasians are increasing especially in Toronto.
I think your parents’ contribution to JOBBIK certainly helps but nothing compared to sending their 25 year old over there in person – You really don’t fit into Canadian society and amongst the MG you will have that sense of belonging.
Good luck and don’t let anyone deter you from moving a.s.a.p.
@ Olga;
Meow on that last post.
@peclipse:
You’re not real – shame on you to make such a bad joke on our resident jobos, they seem to believe your half million …
Just wonder what Jobbik would do with all that money ?
Everybody have a good day!
A justasking
You hurt my feeling. I have a son near his age and I just want him to have the opportunity he so richly deserves. You are way too suspicious of my altruistic motives.
Since your kids are young, they will have an opportunity to legally work all over Europe including Hungary for summer months if they wish.
My kids did that but it was complicated because when they were 18-21, they did not have a Hungarian Passport and now it’s too late for them to travel around Europe and work at Club Med or work as a waitress and/or bartender. A great opportunity before establishing careers and settling down to boring responsibilities.
@Vándorló. I followed one of your thread links (youtube) to Morvai speaking in the European Parliament.
I was quite impressed with many of the things she addressed on various subjects.
Is she asthmatic? She doesn’t seem to draw breath
but seems like she needs to because her lungs are about to collapse.
@Olga;
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Well at least I only hurt one feeling and not all of them
ME! Suspicious of YOUR motives…pee sh-aw
@EPPlayer: why stop there, you can see their full jamboree today http://nol.hu/belfold/elo_tv-kozvetites__a_jobbik_elfoglalta_a_belvarost
Morvai speaks like that because she thinks that being breathlessly feminine is somehow disarming. Thatcher had to learn to speak in a similar way to hide her local accent. Morvai does it to hide the fact that unless she does this she fells impelled to shout like a banshee and give every passing policeman the finger.
You’ll be glad to know that should Jobbik have any say in the matter Morvai will exercise the ‘wisdom of Solomon’ to decide who is a real Hungarian and who is not. After learning Hungarian for 10 years, having a specialised degree in agriculture amongst other thinks, you can then visit Morvai in the castle (a reference to the President’s residency, I presume) to beg acceptance into their exclusive stock.
Deluded the lot of them.
At least Ricsi, justasking, Law and the rest won’t stand a chance. Mű-magyar’s go home! Sorry, I forgot, you never even bothered to live here, most of you. Ok, mű-magyars stay home!!
BIGJIM SAID \’I recall the episode in “Everybody Loves Raymond” where\’…
Be careful little jim!!!! Law and Bobscountrybunker and elle will string you up from a tree for watching decadent American hollywood productions with their people-sleeping-together-out-of-wedlock and their gays and their corrupted moral values!!!! Dont admit you watched such television if you ever actualy goto hungary because if jobbik has any say they would kick you out of the country or worse.
Please for your own sake get back to reading the bible and ancient carpathian history… nothing fun like Raymond!! That Robert is so funny with his deep voice and so tall!
Are you big, bigJim? In USA i hear small people ride big cars or trucks to compensate for there size!
@Decadence:
Hey, you forgot something in describing little jim:
In the USA people drive BIG cars and BIG trucks to compensate for the size of their d**k!
I saw it written once in the dust on a Hummer’s rear window in Miami Beach:
My d**k is really very small – when I translated it to my wife she almost fell over laughing …
@Big Jim: “They do not show how they come up with their numbers…” Unfortunately for you the website is in Hungarian, so you were unable to understand the link button that said “Tovább a részketekért” (‘for more details follow here’).
That’s a really dirty trick for Hungarians to play on mű-magyars.
Vándorló at March 15, 2010 12:07 PM
The problem is with your tunnel vision. The first thing I checked was “Tovább a részketekért” to see where they were coming from. These képmutató clowns put down their fiction “Becsült ár” (estimates) as if they were facts. That is garbage but it is just fine if you the pro-Communist MSZP clowns want to believe their own garbage. Jobbik supporters know that it takes some money to run a campaign but it is far more important to have people who believe in Jobbik and those people are the unpaid volunteers that made Jobbik the új erő (new power) that it is today.
I do not care how well you learned to write Hungarian, I am certain that people would pick you out as a foreigner the moment you uttered your first Hungarian word, you are in no position to decide who is Hungarian and who is not Hungarian. In all likelihood körmös Bauer and the Rákosi vérbírók all wrote proper Hungarian but few would consider them Hungarians.
About your mű-magyars garbage, do you call those Jews who go to Israel and speak only Russian mű-israeli? If the label “mű” fits anyone is those Jews who go to Palestine to murder and disposes the Palestinians to make home for mű-israelis.
There is a world of difference between the people you call mű-magyars and mű-israelis. Peclipse, Law and Ricsi are as Hungarians as any if they want to be. Law and Ricsi reclaimed their Hungarian heritage when they returned to Hungary, the country their parents were forced to flee because of Communist, mostly Jewish Communist terror. Peclipse and Zsuzsa could do the same and reclaim their Hungarian heritage. Legally, Olga could also do it but she will never understand what it is to be Hungarian. First, she would have to stop publicly shitting on her patriotic Hungarian father’s grave.
In contrast to them, the mű-israelis have to murder and engage in racist, brutal genocide against the Palestinians and steal more and more Palestinian lands to make room for mű-israelis. If I were you, I would not be talking about mű-magyars.
Legally, Olga could also do it but she will never understand what it is to be Hungarian. First, she would have to stop publicly shitting on her patriotic Hungarian father’s grave
BIG JIM ON MŰ-ISRAELIS at March 16, 2010 10:28 AM
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Can it be stated much clearer:
* Being an Hungarian is a question of political stand-point!
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Nothing more, nothing less
Normal people refer to ‘Nationality’ as belonging to a Nation (culturally etc), not subscribing to a political opinion
But in Jobbik-land fascist opinions like ‘bela/beju/tom/mark/big jim’ are required to adhere to
No problem to understand that we others live in Hungary and not in Storm-Front Jobbik-land
@Big Jim: The estimates you object to apply to all parties and, if you did read the Hungarian which I doubt, cover room rental, logistic, materials (flags, posters etc…). Telephone calls and the leaflets posted door to door are not included simply because the organisations don’t have enough man-power to collect data on these.
Mű-magyars such as yourself will never live up to anything you have promised. At almost the first hurdle Jobbik have failed. They are completely incapable of being honest about their financing. And you expect that they will be an honest and open government different from the rest.
As for the other mű-magyars they are a joke. You missed out Elle in your list who never bothered to come to Hungary as she claimed she was. She is currently lying low pretending not to be where she always has.
Are you people capable of being honest about anything?
Same shit, different party name.
Vándorló, these are all estimates and they do not list the people who make these estimates. That is why it is garbage. You have to try a lot harder to smear a national movement. It is ridiculous to estimate the same costs to Jobbik, Fidesz and MSZP community meetings. Jobbik is a movement and Jobbik supporters volunteer their time and pay for their own transportation. You may have learned to write Hungarian but you do not understand the Hungarian spirit at all.
JOBBIK: lakossági fórum Kazincbarcika 0,05 M Ft
FIDESZ: lakossági fórum Budapest, 3. kerület 0,05 M Ft
MSZP: lakossági fórum Királytelek 0,05 M Ft
I do not trust your source any more than you.
Your Hungarian hating chorus may get a kick out of you calling some Hungarians mű-magyars but I am offended by it. What makes foreign parasites think they can decide who is Hungarian and who is not? Enough about mű-magyars, we should talk about mű-israelis.
Avigdor Lieberman is far-right, Nazi extremist thinks that all the land now occupied by Jews and Palestinians belongs to Jews. He is the closet thing to Hitler but this Russian Jews is the face of Israel to the Palestinians and to the world.
Is Avigdor Lieberman, the Russian Jew a real-israeli or a mű-israeli?
Tell us what you are since you are such authority on others. Another mű-israeli?
@ Big Jim
“What makes foreign parasites think they can decide who is Hungarian and who is not? ”
Please define “foreign parasites”
How does Avigdor Lieberman fit into Hungarian politics and how does it relate to the upcoming elections?
@Big Jim: I don’t know, first you lie that you looked at the figures, claiming that these were not detailed, now you acknowledge they are detailed, but still don’t like the figures even though they are applied evenly. Also the monitors involved are international organisation with no axe to grind. They were the same ones that told Gyurcsány were to stick it, after it became clear he was not interested in doing anything about corruption or acting on their recommendations back in 2007-8.
“you calling some Hungarians mű-magyars but I am offended by it” Good. Mű-magyars perfectly describes what they and you are.
“What makes foreign parasites think they can decide who is Hungarian and who is not?” Funny but that is the exact same question that applies to the foreign parasites that are mű-magyars. Are you not offended by them? Most other people are. And they think that from the US, UK and elsewhere they can decide who is and who isn’t Hungarian.
“mű-israeli” You’re abviously not very gifted with the pen are you? Mű-magyar is such as it imitates the equally derogatory slang for the would be Irishman, called the ‘Plastic Paddy’. If you want to try to be cleverer you have to make it sort of a catchy insult. Like irreal-israeli…
Try harder.
@Jimmy-lad: Do you know what ‘payment in kind’ means? These are also counted as party donations and in more developed economies subject to tax and the same financial controls as real cash. Your party’s payments in kind from supporters does estimate the cost value of their party finances.
Vandoro, the liar is you. You paste in a site and expect as to take their estimates as real data. It is garbage as most of the other garbage you post here. How can you call these estimates details? Only in your confused mind.
In your money driven mind you are unable to understand that there are people who will do a lot of work for a cause they believe in for free. International organizations are no more reliable than any other group that tries to discredit Hungarians and Jobbik. They will do just about anything to smear Jobbik and you calling that garbage detailed is just another lie.
The young Hungarians you try to insult with your mű-magyar labeling is no different from all the other labeling you people use against those who do not let you steal them blind. These are good, patriotic, honest Hungarians whose only motivation is to discover their roots and their country. They do not need foreign parasites to tell them who they are.
We would celebrate young people such Peclipse for wanting to move to Hungary to reclaim their Hungarian heritage and not let foreign trash discourage them. At least, they should know that other young Hungarians made the journey home and they were happily accepted by other Hungarians. Peclipse needs to know that and he should also know that he does not need to pay any attention to foreign trash calling him mű-magyar because as soon as he settles in Hungary he is as magyar as any other magyar.
However, the mű-israeli Avigdor Lieberman the far-right, Nazi extremist is the closest thing to Hitler. This Russian Jew thinks that all the land now occupied by Jews and Palestinians belongs to Jews. He is claiming a country that is not his. It belongs to the people the mű-israelis murdered to get their land and property. You probably heard the saying that “lopott holmi vissza jár” (stolen property must be returned)? It goes for Hungary also.
In your opinion, Avigdor Lieberman, the Russian Jew is a real-israeli or a mű-israeli?
We need to resolve this mű-israeli issue before you develop an identity crisis.
@Jim: I forgot, everything under Jobbik will be free and there will be no need for money or any other external instrument to work out the value, worth, exchange rates of goods and services rendered… etc.
Tax collection may be a problem, but of course, everyone will gladly cough up as they will have such honest people as Zázrivecz leading the way. As he already has with his clear and honest party accounts.
Still, it may be that some people with less than honest intentions and less well developed sense of fair-play and respect for social cohesion as Jobbik members might seek to destabilise the new free-for-all regime by seeking to keep more than their fair share of the goods and services. Hoarding up the economy’s value for their own personal profit. It may also be that those that are able to work harder and who have a stronger work ethic may feel aggrieved with other members of the new regime who are not so keen to work or contribute, but take long weekends, Fridays off and steal what they can.
With this in mind I still think that Jobbik should really try to understand how money works as an instrument of trade.
Perhaps looking more closely at the concept of ‘payment in kind’ wouldn’t hurt? In Hungarian this is ‘természetbeni kifizetés/juttatás’, but be careful, because colloquially the ‘természetbeni’ is taken literally. This, of course, would not be how Zázrivecz will reign (sorry, govern).
LITTLEJIM WROTE – \’…may get a kick out of you
calling some Hungarians mű-magyars but I am
offended by it.\’
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POOR LITTLE LITTLEJIM IS OFFENDED! Maybe your
comments are offensive when you call people
\”foreign trash\”, \”foreign parasites\”, or say \”When
did the village idiot get promoted to arse wipe?\”
What\’s wrong, you can dish out insults but can\’t
take them? POOR LITTLE JIMMY WIMMY!
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LITTLEJIM WROTE – \’Enough about mű-magyars, we
should talk about mű-israelis.\’… \’We need to
resolve this mű-israeli issue…\’
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WHY??? I THOUGHT THIS WAS SITE ABOUT HUNGARY, WHY
ALL THIS ISRAELI STUFF? WHO ASKED ABOUT ISRAEL?
YOU HAVE A MAJOR ISRAELI STICK UP YOUR BUTT JIMMY,
WHO PUT IT THERE? YOU DON\’T ENJOY IT? SOUNDS
LIKE YOU COMPLAIN BUT YOU REALLY LIKE IT!
Having problems dealing with the truth, Fagin?
Unable to deal with the little Russian Jew, the mű-israeli Avigdor Lieberman the far-right, Nazi extremist Jewish Hitler?
Just wondering how come no one has yet get gone for
“mű-jew”, and how much do I have to pay for someone
to call me one
Erik, it is because we have no Jews on this list. We have all kinds of people here but not one Jew. That is why no one takes offense when I write about Avigdor Lieberman, the mű-israeli, racist, Nazi Russian Jew. Israel’s very own Hitler. This way no one is offended and everyone is happy.
@ Big Jim
You are uninformed
The following people are Jewish and some are from Israel. Not sure of details
Vadorlo, Viking, Wolfi and yours truly
The list might also include Curious George who claims to be a visible minority with a non-Hungarian wife. Sure.
I know from reliable sources he is also Jewish, not a visible minority and does have a Hungarian wife. She only married him for the same reason that you once posted why Hungarian women marry Westerners. (I forgot the reason) You had very specific reasons, my apologies for not remembering them
Just ask Elle – she will confirm how people lie about their bio.
Looking forward to reading more or your postings about Israel and Palestine because it gives me a huge insight into the upcoming elections.
Antother relevant topic you might look into is Osama Bin Laden’s son accusing Iran for holding their relatives hostage. Might have a huge impact on the Hungarian election
TO BIG JIM -
Instead of spending your days at a hungarian website complaining about jews, why dont you go to an israeli website and complain instead?
Or better yet, why dont you go to an israeli website and complain about \’real hungarians\’ that way youll be as nonsensical as you are here. Now translate what i just said into hungarian without a dictionary or google language tools.
TO BIG JIM -
Instead of spending your days at a hungarian website complaining about jews, why dont you go to an israeli website and complain instead?
Or better yet, why dont you go to an israeli website and complain about \’real hungarians\’ that way youll be as nonsensical as you are here. Now translate what i just said into hungarian without a dictionary or google language tools.
@ Erik
Re:Just wondering how come no one has yet get gone for”mű-jew”, and how much do I have to pay for someone to call me one
How much are you willing to pay? Don’t close the tenders before I get a chance to participate.
Thanks in advance.
@Olga – If you are a mű-jew (by blood or have any mű-jew relative), you should just let Erik know. A real mű-jew wouldn’t let the technicalities of a tender come between kin.
Alternatively, if you have an old Nokia box lying around……………
Alternatively, if you have an old Nokia box lying around……………
Curious George at March 16, 2010 9:13 PM
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Any one have connections to Nokia?
Would be interesting to know if they still believe in
‘all publicity is good publicity’?
A Curiou George
Who knew?
To Anonymous who is not a Jew, a mű-jew or a mű-israeli:
You should have figured it out for yourself. There are no Jews or mű-jews or mű-israelis here who would be offended at the mention of racist, Nazi Avigdor Lieberman, the Russian Jew and other mű-israelis who are murdering and robbing the Palestinians of everything they have, including their organs.
We know that there are Jews or mű-jews or mű-israelis here because Jews or mű-jews or mű-israelis would not come here to offend young Hungarians wanting to discover their heritage by calling them mű-magyars. They would do no such dastardly thing. Would they?