@Mr. Erik d’Amato-IMPORTANT. Is there any connection between this site, www.caboodle.hu and the site www.caboodle.com, belonging to a UK-based business? This site’s administrator has to make a very clear statement on this issue. I hope that the message will be visible for the Hungarian site’s readers, as well.

William Thorndike, Birmingham, UK

@William: No connection whatsoever. Same with caboodles.com, and caboodle.co.uk. or kaboodle.com.

Wonder what a traitor such as Medgyessy would have faced if Hungary had a real rendszervaltas?

Big Jim, no one cares what you think, you are the same dolt with a different name.

Hate to change the subject, but I think that it is a thundering disgrace that Hungary has the Elizebeth bridge decked out in the Union Jack flag on Saint Patrick's Day. For the President to have that "i talk to the plants " Prince Charles, the eejit visit on this day is wrong. An insult to all the Irish living here and celebrating Paddy's Day.

Big Jim makes reasonable contributions. At least he
makes a change from the jewish liberal brigade that
hug and kiss each other with love and affection in some hippy-type stupor.
Viking is chairman of the MDF. And, in between cooking meals at his restaurant, just loves to play devil's advocate at the expense of reason and fact.

@Mr. Erik d'Amato-IMPORTANT. It seems that a couple of very important, legiti mate and relevant questions was DELETED from this thread without any comment??!!
WTF?? Dont you beleive in freedom of info?
Their is a constpiracy for sure-)))
Some NEO/LIBERAL zionaci commies and their ilk doing it!!! There times up!!!

There times up!!!
What Gives??? at March 22, 2010 7:43 PM
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It is spelled:
"Their times is up"
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I mean, it would be a pity if they missed your message due to bad spelling, right?
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Is it not like 1990 and 1998 re-lived again, but now in the Internet-age?

Wonder what a traitor such as Medgyessy would have faced if Hungary had a real rendszervaltas?
BIG JIM: lopott holmi vissza jár at March 17, 2010 11:48 AM

Hello, BIG JIM!

Well, he did face flying rotten tomatoes quite a bit, remember? And there was the time an area had to be cordoned off so he could place his wreath somewhere or other. But what do you mean ‘would have faced’? Surely you mean ‘will face’? He comes well within Fidész’s eight years. (Of course, I prefer JOBBIK’s twenty.) What I find amazing is that these crooks are pushing their ugly mugs back into the limelight. Perhaps they are crypto JOBBIK supporters: melodrama-style uglies popping up to infuriate the audience. But I am amazed by the commies’/adapted global capitalists’ quite bizarrely inept performances. Here is a hugely funny one where three of their lackeys line up to give Krisztina Morvai a grilling. She laughingly wipes the floor with them, admitting that Vona Gábor drove the Israeli spy jets, and she co-pilotted: http://kuruc.info/r/34/57006/.

But... *I* flew the jet! No one wants to give me
credit!

Did Morvai *literally* wipe the floor with them?

@Elle: Thanks for the video link, I'd missed that. Highly entertaining. Downloaded it for future reference. Absolute classic.

@Bystander: There was lots in it worth talking about. Example, she was asked why, if it is truly the case that Jobbik is against multinationals, that one of their candidates was up until a few months ago himself head of a multinational, with lots of other connections to the 'money capitalism' so despised by Jobbik. Her answer was along the lines of 'so this is what you do, rather than focusing on the thieves that have been fleecing the country for 20 years, you try to pick off each one of us one at a time because of one poor excuse or another...' The question was rephrased, with the same answer.
And so the 'interview' progressed. Hissy fit doesn't even come close.

@Vándorló
Isn't there an English expression that goes something like the poacher turned game-keeper?

True to himself, Vándorló lies again. The second interviewer’s ‘multinationals’ question to Krisztina Morvai was whether she thinks JOBBIK’s ‘anti-multinationals’ stand is credible, given that one of the party’s ministerial nominees was himself the head of a multination until a month ago. Krisztina Morvai answered: ‘I can see that your strategy is to try to attack us person-by-person [interviewer interrupts: I wasn’t trying to attack …] but understand that we are now talking about a national movement, a huge ground swell that is unstoppable …’ (5.28 - 5.22).

The first interviewer demanded to know, again and again, whether she would still support Budaházy’s standing for parliament if he were proven guilty. She eventually put it to him that he is wasting time by asking this kind of question [i.e. absurdly hypothetical] to avoid attending to the deeds of the real criminals, the thieves who have ruined the country’s economy.

Vándorló collapsed these two question-answer sequences, and thus misrepresented what was asked and how it was answered. What Vándorló did not refer to, but I shall, for it here that Krisztina Morvai’s super sense of fun shows the interviewers up as first-class dopes, are these two sequences:

Asked, repeatedly and insistently, whether she considers the keeping of potentially explosive materials in the house and bringing them to public meetings legal, she volunteered that in the course of her legal studies and activities, she had always mucked about with explosives in her spare time.

The end came with the first interviewer noting, ‘suggestively’, that the Israeli spy jets had turned up just before the elections to help JOBBIK. That is when she admitted that in fact Vona Gábor was the pilot and she the co-pilot.

‘Hissy fit’? Yes: yours, Vándorló.

@ Trojan

Did not have long to wait to show what I meant on being "serious"

Elle's comment #1

"she volunteered that in the course of her legal studies and activities, she had always mucked about with explosives in her spare time." -

I actually sent this paragraph to 11 lawyers practicing law in Ontario. I figured they could use a laugh at the end of a long day or maybe regret how they had no opportunities to muck around with explosives during law school in their spare time. All those years and no real fun .

Elle's Comment # 2: "The end came with the first interviewer noting, ‘suggestively’, that the Israeli spy jets had turned up just before the elections to help JOBBIK. That is when she admitted that in fact Vona Gábor was the pilot and she the co-pilot."

Not 48 hours have gone by since Elle was terrified and posted a dozen or so SOS missives, now it's one big joke. How things change and change so rapidly.

Are you laughing? I am. Do you really blame me for not being able to resist some postings?

@Elle: Again, my summary and interpretation is an honest account. The question about Jobbik's credibility stretches from 4:53 up to near the end of the first video 9:15 It does not overlap with the question of Budaházy and the legal use of explosives (which Morvai finally acknowledges to be wrong at 4:22 - 4:52 as you point out)

It is Morvai that avoids answering the question about credibility accusing the interviewer of trying to pick out each of Jobbik 'one-by-one' etc...

Basically, it is as I stated and it is you who completely misrepresent Morvai's hissy fit. There is no humour here either, just desperate attention seeking. She is simply unable to provide a reasoned response. In her attempts to avoid answering this question she instead attacks the interviewer and then tries to change the subject to that of the ownership, control and finally closure of Ikarus buses.

Well done Elle, now I know you are not Hungarian. Just another mű-magyar.

Watch the video again from 4:53 to 9:15 and you will see my account is a fair brief summary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKPGnJm6x1w&feature=player_embedded#at=283

Well, no doubt kuruc.info is displaying this video because it wants the world to see that Krisztina Morvai performed as Vándorló lies. Stands to reason, does it not? This kuruc.info must be an MSZP establishment after all.

Vadorloo your a friggen arse wipe, you who supports Bokros and Soros one of many corrupt Hungarians. Gee is this the best attack you could conjure up to attack Morvai Kristina, you’re the lowest of low Neo Liberal jerks to be on this site.

@Vandorlo
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It is Morvai that avoids answering the question about credibility accusing the interviewer of trying to pick out each of Jobbik 'one-by-one' etc...
Basically, it is as I stated and it is you who completely misrepresent Morvai's hissy fit. There is no humour here either, just desperate attention seeking. She is simply unable to provide a reasoned response.
Vándorló at March 23, 2010 9:56 AM
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Not so. Well... not quite. The issue is how can Jobbik maintain its "hitelesség" (a word with no direct translation into English, but it occupies the conceptual space somewhere between credibility and integrity) about being an anti-globalization party when shadow Finance Minister Tamas Hegedus was a former Senior Consultant at KPMG.

I have given my own "poacher turned into gamekeeper" retort which I think credible. But there is no phrase like this in Hungarian and Morvai doesn't say it.

What she does say as a response however, and what everyone is ignoring, is what she said in addition to her "you just try and pick us off one-by-one line." She says words to the effect that either Jobbik is criticized for being unworthy to govern because its candidates have no experience, now the problem is supposed to be that they have too much experience!
And this is indeed a valid argument.

2.
The idea that Hegedus’ past affects the party’s economic integrity (in terms of its stance on globalization) is childish casuistry. Just like the Magyar Hirlap reporter’s infantilism, about saying "Ah-hah! So there IS something good about the Lisbon Treaty after all then??"
*self-satisfied smirk*
At the end, when Morvai explains that Lisbon gives more power to the Parliament from the Commission over agriculture.

The point is dickweed, that we still have French, German and Estonian MEPs (as opposed to commissioners) deciding the fate of Hungarian agriculture.

And the point about Hegedus is that you can hold fast to one economic theory or standpoint, and precisely on the basis of your experience of it, end up being that theory’s most informed and reliable critic. As an economist of some weight both professionally and academically, Hegedus is Jobbik’s economic “big gun” so it is fair to say that he played a large part in the authoring of the party’s economic policy.

A policy which takes as its starting point a questioning of the accepted truths of globalized finance. But you don’t need to make a philosophical commitment to globalization to earn money as a management consultant, you just need to know how it works.

3.
It is interesting that we consider it an article of faith, that he is being painted as a sort of hypocritical heretic, for saying that the system is unjust, and Hungary must have an economic policy that seeks to be more just towards the welfare of Hungarians. But having written Jobbik’s economic policy after being at KPMG doesn’t make him a hypocrite. (Globalism is not some sort of moral imperative which he has transgressed.) It makes him someone who knows, a lot more than most, what it is he is talking about!

This is why Morvai’s point (ignored on both the show and here) is so apposite. What if Jobbik had appointed Hungary’s head of Greenpeace, for example, as their shadow Finance Minister? Or the Hungarian equivalents of someone like Noam Chomsky (philosopher) or Naomi Klein (journalist) both famous anti-Globalists? They’d be being laughed at as utter incompetents, instead of disingenuously being charged with lacking integrity.

As ever Morvai makes her case very well. But her endless machine-gun style of argument means you must pay close attention. And her interlocutors are, as always, far too busy congratulating themselves for getting a word in at all (see the hand-shaking between the questioners at the end? Embarrassing!) to realize they’ve had their asses kicked.

Her popularity rating which came out today, is ample proof of this.

Oh and when I said "dickweed" just now I was referring to that Magyar Hirlap journalist.

bob: Thanks for your post. You made some very interesting and thought provoking comments.
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KPMG can't be all bad, they sponsored the cricket team I played on.

@Bobs...: As always you put a far more credible and self-assured account of Morvai than she does of herself. I would not call either the style, structure or content of her responses reasoned or confident. Rather, diffident, skittish and defensive.
It would have been enough to brush away the interviewers comment with what she grappled with articulating poorly for almost 5 minutes and you redacted into a coherent one line explanation for her.
Hard to believe she is/was a lawyer and teaches others how to practice it.

Just like the Magyar Hirlap reporter’s infantilism, about saying "Ah-hah! So there IS something good about the Lisbon Treaty after all then??"
*self-satisfied smirk*
At the end, when Morvai explains that Lisbon gives more power to the Parliament from the Commission over agriculture.
The point is dickweed, that we still have French, German and Estonian MEPs (as opposed to commissioners) deciding the fate of Hungarian agriculture.
bobscountrybunker at March 23, 2010 12:48 PM
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Oh and when I said "dickweed" just now I was referring to that Magyar Hirlap journalist.
bobscountrybunker at March 23, 2010 12:50 PM
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Yes, but if you want to have some money from the EU you need to play by their rules, right?
Criticising the Lisbon Treaty is a bit lame, when your ideological foundation is that Hungary should leave the EU, so why make the Lisbon Treaty the big problem, when the real problem is to get out of the EU?
Why not push that line harder:
- *When* will Hungary leave the EU, when Jobbik can decide?

@Vándorló
I would not call either the style, structure or content of her responses reasoned or confident. Rather, diffident, skittish and defensive... ...Hard to believe she is/was a lawyer and teaches others how to practice it.
Vándorló at March 23, 2010 1:24 PM
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If only that were so Vandorlo, if only that were so. But the Hungarian legal process is very very different from the more adverserial, interruption laden, anglo-saxon system. Certainly perhaps if our system resembled yours more, most of our legal cases wouldn't take so interminably long!

But the Hungarian system is what it is, and it consist in lawyers delivering extended submissions in the cause of developing a coherent picture. Here's a perfect example of Morvai doing what she is trained to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLMHwYfYg_4
Not skittish at all is it? Certainly reasoned and confident.

But as I said there is much to commend the UK system. I'm there, here, now... yes, it's true, I'm trailing Bajnai.

That's what pisses me off about this Euro-homgenization. There are three things the whole of Europe could definitely take from the UK.
1. The three pin plug
2. The pint glass
3. Trial by jury (!!!)

That's what pisses me off about this Euro-homgenization. There are three things the whole of Europe could definitely take from the UK.
1. The three pin plug
2. The pint glass
3. Trial by jury (!!!)
bobscountrybunker at March 23, 2010 11:32 PM
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So, in the end of the day, after some pints in the local waterhole, 'bob' is just another English prick who wants the Continent to dance after their pipe
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I have 2 favourite quotes on the English:
The classic #1:
"Big fog in the English Channel, the Continent isolated"
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The classic #2:
"The downfall in England started when we accepted the Metric system"
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The 1st one is a quote from The Times
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The 2nd one is a London Black Cab Driver telling me (without asking him) what is wrong with England, *not* Britain, today
This was in the middle of the 90s
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I always thought that Europe should disbar the UK (or whatever they want to call themselves, "GB", "England", "UK including Northern Ireland and Isle of Man", "etc") from the EU
Who needs it?
It is just full of Nick Griffin and 'bob'-type of people, or sucking up to the US with their "Special Relations"
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And they even do not have a Constitution....

And they even do not have a Constitution....
Viking at March 24, 2010 1:03 AM
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As ever Viking, your charm, wit and intelligence is matched only by your unrivalled knowledge of history.
Care to guess which was the only other European country to historically have an unwritten consitution?
Asshole.

Care to guess which was the only other European country to historically have an unwritten consitution?
Asshole.
bobscountrybunker at March 24, 2010 2:42 AM
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Asshole was an European country?
I think I missed something in school, obviously
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Or is it here you will speak about the Golden Bull of 1222?
Big deal in 2010

Where were the French, Spanish, Swedes,Dutch,
Portuguese, when Hitler had his pipe out making you all dance the nazi waltz?
The pound, the pint glass, driving on the correct side of the road, having a say in your own affairs.
This is a big problem for you, obviously. Watered down federalist government of the "one size fits all" brigade is more to your liking.
Straight cucumbers and bananas packed in tens. Tesco, and CBA,and Lidl, etc scattered all over Europe with their tasteless food, and crap manufactured goods. Most of which are made in China.
I think you were as well.
Sweden is a role model for nothing. That's why you left, Mr Anglophile?

Straight cucumbers and bananas packed in tens. Tesco, and CBA,and Lidl, etc scattered all over Europe with their tasteless food, and crap manufactured goods
UnionJack at March 24, 2010 10:03 AM
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Yes, the EU is just about
"Straight cucumbers and bananas packed in tens"
If just people would understand that!
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Tesco is a UK-company (and therefore should be banned)
It was founded 1919 in East London by Jack Cohen
Jack's business motto was
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"pile it high and sell it cheap",
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although this was quickly replaced with the saying
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"You Can't Do Business Sitting On Your Ass"
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Jack was known to distribute items bearing the acronym "YCDBSOYA" to his sales force
So, all the bad things obviously comes from Jack's Country, which even have its 'Union Jack' as its flag
I rest my case
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CBA is a Hungarian supermarket chain with almost 5200 stores in different European countries
Being Hungarian is of course another reason why it should be banned