Israeli aircraft to be exact! The Radar station is and always was un-necessary,the Soviets did not need one during the cold war. A few guided missiles would have solved this incursion quickly.
The questions are why did they fly over Ferihegy during a Royal visit and prior to a national election.
The arrogance of these people will be there undoing.

The questions are why did they fly over Ferihegy during a Royal visit and prior to a national election.
The arrogance of these people will be there undoing.
Ricsi at March 18, 2010 8:57 PM
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Yes, but they *did* have permission, so it did not disturb any one, right?
Or do you have information that this flight disturbed the 'Royal' visit?
Are Israel planning an attack against the UK?
Is your best pal, Griffin, up in arms and calling for Dad's Army to invade Hungary to protect Charles against the evil Israelis?
Obviously he may not trust Magyar Garda for that, even if they have all-black uniforms nowadays
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It must have been to appease the aggressive Israelis that Charles visited the Dohany utca Synagogue today, if that plane had not done that trip, he would of course have skipped that?

Will Israel reciprocate the favor and let the Hungarian Air Force make routine flight over Tel Aviv?

@pityu:

well it depends on the type of plane - what's in the Hungarian airforce ?

Some MIGs or Junkers or what ?

And they would have to pay for gas - wonder if Israel accepts the forint ?

Well apparently the HUngarian army has personal in Israel. From the Hungarian Embassy in Tel Aviv's website:

Celebration of the Day of the Hungarian Armed Forces

On the occasion of the Hungarian Armed Forces Day a reception was hosted on 20th May at the Ambassador's residency in Herzliya [outside of Tel Aviv]. Members of military attaché association, invited diplomats from security policy field, representatives from Israeli Defence Forces and Hungarian soldiers and police officers serving in international missions in the region were welcomed by Ambassador Zoltán Szentgyörgyi and defence attaché colonel László Józsa.

Is that enough cooperation and resignation for you? And how do you thin Hungarian military personal get to Israel? ON a boat? do they drive? How about a donkey-cart? Could it be they fly into Tel Aviv? No, no, no, definitely not fly.

@Pete H.
Oh I never realized they flew in on a state of the art spy plane, causing a national incident in which Netanyahu demanded to know what the fuck was going on. Funny, because I never heard.
But yeah, you must be right, two corporals and an attaché militaire would definitely have flown in on a C-130, not just caught the first El Al. Glad we have someone of your experience to give us the inside track.

Just remember that the flight was not of sightseeing but to support logistics to a murder.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/1,7340,L-3864910,00.html

When I went to bed I wondered how long this would go on for. Do you ever wonder if the staff at politics.hu sit around in the office taking bets on how long a story will last, how bizarre the responses get...or if maybe they are just laughing their heads off at all of us 'lab rats'?
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OK...'plausible alternatives'. Bob, I actually think it is more plausible that an Israeli pilot got lost on his way to Gaza and only realised he was in the wrong plane when he got to Budapest.I think the LEAST plausible is that it was some sinister spy mission OR sabre rattling.
Anyway, no matter.
-If it were 'logistical support for an assassination', what could they do from the air? Offer sweet words of comfort and moral support?
High tech spy plane? We obviously have different ideas on what a spy plane is and how they are used.
-Oh...IT HAD PERMISSION.
-The report linked by pityu was full of qualifications like 'according to the reports' 'appeared' and 'may be'. 'appeared to be spy planes?' Is that the same as reports saying the planes that hit the twin towers appeared to be military planes with comms pods?
-The planes flew through several other countries to get to Hungary.Are these countries making a big deal? ...or are they just part of the conspiracy against Hungary?
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Some may be aware of the show "UFO hunters" on history channel...mad conspiracy, hype show. I wonder how long it will be before they start a Hungarian spin-off: "IFO Hunters". (The 'I' is for...?)

Bob...to be kind (on my part). Please don't take my words too seriously. I actually really liked another one of your posts on the thread where you addressed the 'nationalist' issue of becoming what they accuse others of. I thought it was well said. I probably should express more often when I do agree with what you say, because that would only be fair.
Regards,
C.

"The aircraft were said to leave Hungary after completing their mission, without ever landing in the country"
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From that widely quoted 'source' (which looks like it actually were getting its info from this website)
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I think it is without any doubt proved that these 2 planes were spraying Hungary with the new, modified, Swine-Flue that will make only pork-eating Tiszta Magyars extremely sick, so they cannot vote in the April 11 election
Checking the comments last 24 hours from our resident jobos, one can clearly see how the new Swine-Flue is deteriorating their ability to make informed decisions
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As we all know all Tiszta Magyars have a special DNA that has been preserved since Before Coming Of The (Hungarian) Christ, actually it is from God Himself (being a true Hungarian he wanted to preserve something of Paradise on Earth and called that place Hungary, which every one knows is just Godly New Speak for 'Paradise')
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The evil Jews, working overtime has developed an evil spray that will only attack these Tiszta Magyars, being the Real Chosen People
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And it is working, just check Bob and Law and Elle and whatever aliases they use

@Viking. Same old song, different day. The Israelis do what the fuck they like and you blame Jobbik?
I know the racial purity theme smacks of nazi Germany and is the most distasteful of issues.
Any party, including Jobbik, pursuing this line will not get anywhere.
Are Jobbik a genuine political party wanting to help ordinary Hungarians or, a shelter for closet nazis?
Answers on a postcard to: BJ, Ricsi, Law, Elle, et al.

What a load that lead in post is. Hungary needs no radar station without the necessary weapons to blow the intruding aircraft out the sky and that is not going to happen thanks to the economic conditions. That radar station only makes Hungary a target with no defenses.

@JohnGold or whatever
Hungarians and Jobbik have distaste for Communists and Nazis. If you want Nazis, you need to go to racist, Nazi Israel. All you want to know about Nazis is there in the Gaza concentration camp, the slaughter of women and children and the destruction of Palestinian homes to make room for Israeli Nazis. Hungarians have nothing like that and want nothing like that. All they want is to live as free people in their own country. Nazis go after what others have. Hungarians only want to keep what belongs to them.

Buddy,BJ. or whatsoever. I live here. I know what Hungarians want. They want to be able to pay their bills, have a decent life, not live in fear of ever-growing crime. They want shut of the MSZP once and for all time. The tax system to be made simpler and reasonable so that individuals do not have to avoid paying it. The local administration to be overhauled. Central government to be made more accountable,foreign investment encouraged, more money put into in railways and public transort etc.
I couldn't give a monkey's fuck about Israel and their war planes. Palestine-Jew problem is centuries old- not for discussion on this thread.
Szebb yo-yo my amigo!

‘John Gold’ represents you nicely … I prefer that you do not desecrate the name of our loved writer. ‘I couldn't give a monkey's fuck about Israel and their war planes. Palestine-Jew problem is centuries old- not for discussion on this thread.’ And who the devil cares what you care about, especially when you say inane things like ‘Palestine-Jew problem is centuries old’? Can you count from 1948 to the present time? We certainly care about Israeli war planes above our homeland, inter alia because we do not intend to let Palestine’s Jew problem become our own. BJ does well to rub that under your nose.

@BJ: "What a load that lead in post is…" 'What a load' is an understatement... Hungarians wouldn't have been allowed near that 'radar station' unless they make like father Murnane: "In New Zealand, three peace activists have been found not guilty of breaking into and damaging a spy base used in the US-led invasion and occupation of Iraq. In April 2008, the three activists entered the Waihopai facility and deflated a plastic dome used to cover a satellite dish. After the verdict, one of the three acquitted activists, Dominican friar Peter Murnane, said they acted to help mitigate the human suffering caused by the Iraq war. Peter Murnane: 'We attacked property in a pretty moderate way to save enormous life and to draw attention to the enormous crimes against humanity that the base is guilty of sharing in.'" Pasted from Democracy Now Again, the 'radar station' would have been -- and probably will be -- an occupation force installation the equivalent of Red Army installations during the Soviet occupation. Not much help against the Zionist Air Force, is it? Chances are they would guide the Israelis.

Elle. Master of understatement and bullshit in equal measure. Cantankerous, challenged, and a complete charlatan by any standard. Fuck off out of here because you contribute nothing you dried-up old spinister.
"Hold" the christmas card.

Another 16-year-old. (These creeps demonstrate the agony they are in so guilessly. Keep it up.)

I find it amusing that while Israeli newspapers unequivocally connect the assassination of a Syrian citizen to the mysterious Israeli flights over Budapest, the Israeli PR crew on this site vehemently dimisses it and ridicules it. It'd be interesting to see if Israel's agents (here or elsewhere) would ever admit guilt. They never have, ever. It is always someone else's fault or, if they get caught red-handed, they "won't admit or deny it". Grow up people, stop acting like spoiled kids. Keep your planes in your country, if you decide to visit Hungary do land, spend a few bucks on postcards at least.

WHEN WILL YOU LOSERS STOP THE CONSPIRACY THEORIZING? THIS IS JOBBIK?
How about this evidence from REUTERS?:
\"Denying speculation that the planes were part of an undercover mission, Hungarian government spokesman Domokos Szollar said the overflight was \"routine\" training that was cleared in advance with Hungary by the Israelis.

Hungarian police said they saw no link between the planes and the shooting of the Syrian man, and their investigation of his murder was confined to Hungary.

\"The Israeli airforce conducted a training operation at Ferihegy airport the day before yesterday, but it was not spying or reconnaissance, merely a routine pilot maneuver, the so called touch-and-go,\" Szollar said.

However, a breakdown in internal communications meant the Hungarian defense ministry was not informed, and when the planes were sighted and reported in a Hungarian daily, Prime Minister Gordon Bajnai ordered an investigation.\"
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Of course even THIS will not be enough for the paranoid schizos on this site...
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I love Viking\'s theory about the Swine-Flu-Spray!! That\'s my backup theory!
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Also, I know it\'s really inappropriate, but was it wrong of me to laugh at the characterizing of Elle as a \'dried-up old spinster\'?? I know it\'s wrong but its exactly the mental image I had of him/her! Sorry to stoop to their level!
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OK, I\'m back now.

Oh, here\'s the link to the Reuters story debunking the BunkerHiders:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62I21C20100319
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Proceed with the insanity in the face of more evidence... we await your stupidity! :)

@Viking. Same old song, different day. The Israelis do what the fuck they like and you blame Jobbik?
JohnGold at March 19, 2010 10:44 AM
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No, I do not blame them, just make fun of their reaction to a normal activity between countries
They are soo funy when they get all that ecstatic over some 'jew-doings'
On the other hand, all that ecstatics just shows the New Gene-Modified Swine-Flue is working, all according to the plan my minders worked out as a Hanukkah-present to Lieberman

OK Viking. Both you and Wolfi are convinced that Jobbik is a nazi party.
Many people are voicing contrary opinions?
BJ maintains he hates nazis and communists and the recent Jobbik rally would not suggest any stormtrooper activity...?
Do you think Jobbik have a double agenda?
I believe if Jobbik go down the route of appealing to the neo-nazi element they are doomed to fail.
Israel is a small country and relatively new, yet it is able with its tail to wag the dog. That is to say, it sets out its modus operandi and the US
falls in line. Russia is trying to assert its influence over Israel at the moment regarding new buildings in settlement areas..will Rusky Red Dynamo succeed where YankeeDoodleDandy failed?

I find it amusing that while Israeli newspapers unequivocally connect the assassination of a Syrian citizen to the mysterious Israeli flights over Budapest, the Israeli PR crew on this site vehemently dimisses it and ridicules it.
Pityu at March 19, 2010 3:33 PM
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They also denied that 27 Israeli mű-israelis murdered the Palestinian by drugging and suffocating him. If you do not believe these mű-israelis, they can always start blowing some dirt your way. That is mű-israeli SOP.

@JohnheartofGold :

Nazi is short for National Socialist - that is exactly what Jobbik's program (at least the English version that I've read) promotes.

Then there are also the typical stabs at minotities, the "value of marriage and family" including the discrimination of gays and as you can read from the resident jobos here their really strong hatred of jews.

There is not one single thread where the jobos are active that doesn't have some "Jewish commie ..." in it.

if this isn't the definition of NeoNazi ...

One of them even repeatedly declared "Obama is a communist" - while in my eyes he seems to be a mild conservative ...

No Nazis in Hungary but a lot of Communists. I do not believe any Jobbik Communists or Nazis.
Israel is the only country with a Nazi government and Nazi policies. They are also anti-Semites because they murder and oppress the Palestinians who are Semites. Very bad Nazis.

@lopott ...:

Didn't get your blowjob today ?

So you're the expert on Nazis - well your definitions maybe "intereting" to the other jobos, but for everyone else your rantings have got really boring ...

Maybe you should get together with Mark and ex-poster "Bernie" - you could sing in chorus ...

OK Viking. Both you and Wolfi are convinced that Jobbik is a nazi party
JohnheartofGold at March 19, 2010 6:04 PM
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That Jobbik appeals to Neo-Nazi elements is more than obvious, just read the public conversation between leading Jobbik-members and the editors of the open anti-Jewish and pro-Nazi website Kuruc-Info
Where else would you see such a 'Brother In Arms'-discussion on tactical manoeuvres?
They do not always agree, but they are friends
If you regard Kuruc-Info as a champion for freedom, well then we will never agree on anything
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If you you want to see some Jobbik SA-troops, just check out the pictures on the pro-Jobbik site:
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http://www.hunhir.hu/magazin.php?pid=keptar&oid=ut&id=000162
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Start from the end and work your way forward
Did any other March 15 event have an unregulated Private Army to their disposal and display?
Do you see this in other countries?
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Ask 'big jim' on celebrating 'Day Of Honour' in Budapest every year
Is that a pro-Nazi event or not?
Why should Hungarians celebrate German Elite SS-soldiers trying to break out from the Soviet encirclement of Budapest in February 1945?

Viking, there we many Hungarian troops and civilians that broke out with Germans troops that night in 1945, they broke out in 2 waves, the first wave totally caught the reds off guard and all of them escaped, the 2nd wave was not so lucky. The russians butchering the wounded Germans in the cellars was a war crime.

Viking, should we also celebrate soviet liberation of Hungary day? Oh ya, we come in peace and liberate you guys and by the way, I thing we will stay here for the next 50 years. I would rather celebrate the German troops than Soviet liberation day any day! Soviet occupation of Hungary and Communist/Bolshevik governments ended up executing my grandfather in a Rakosi prison in Budapest 1952, imprisoned a relative in a communist concentration camp in the early 50's just because she was a Catholic nun, and imprisoned my grandmother for 5 years in a commie jail, not all people who celebrate or observe the breakout day are nazis, I am a conservative Catholic nationalist and I too celebrate this day. If you ever read the story or heard the eye witness accounts of the breakout from the survivors, it turly is an amazing story!

Yes, there were Communist concentration camps in Hungary under Mátyás Rákosi (born as Mátyás Rosenfeld)just ask the couple of hundred thousand who ended up there, not to mention the 600,000 Hungarians who were deported to the Soviet Union after WW2 for slave labour....

So this is why, I as a Hungarian, celebrate and observe the 1945 Breakout day.

Viking, there we many Hungarian troops and civilians that broke out with Germans troops that night in 1945
Gandi at March 19, 2010 8:31 PM
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Hungary had already officially catapulted before this night and according to all International Laws, any soldier continue fighting after that moment is an irregular
So these Hungarian soldiers had switched side to join the German Nazi-troop that were occupying Hungary at the time
Also, basically all of the Hungarian Army supported the illegal Szálasi regime, which was a Nazi-German installed puppet regime. In doing this they broke their oath to the Hungarian Nation
I have no respect for the Hungarian soldiers breaking out of Budapest in February 1945 and no decent Hungarian should have that either
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Written that, has nothing to do with what happened during the Soviet-occupation
It is possible to be against both, and not like you, chose the Nazis

@Viking

"Did any other March 15 event have an unregulated Private Army to their disposal and display?
Do you see this in other countries?"

Well as you know in 1925 a sick little man with a stunted mustache formed his own little private defense force for his Nazi party.

Symbolism does matter in politics and Jobbik's use of historical Hungarian and German Nazi symbolism is very very clear.

Hitler had his Schutzstaffel and Vona has his Garda.

Heaven help Hungary if Jobbik ever descends to power.

@Pete:

Yes, that's one of the reasons why I as a German spend so much time here - I don't want it to happen again ...

But I'm really quite sure that in the 21st century this can't happen again - at least not in the middle of Europe, about other continents I'm not so sure ...

Wolfi. You would be shocked if you knew half of what is going down in schools and colleges at the moment. There is a big shift to the far right and nazi ideology and regalia are "in"!
Hitler hatched the idea of National Socialism and all the theatrics that went along with it i.e. rallies, regalia, - uniforms, jackboots etc.
Hitler criticised the Brownshirts of Moseley/Mosely?
in Britain for copying his ideas.
Unfortunately the corrupt commie MSZP are to blame for all this and we need to focus on not only getting rid of them but expose all the scams that they have perpetrated in recent years. Fidesz were no better but they should be advised that they will have to change their ways. Orban Viktor is "deadwood". Should have been replaced long time since. Still, as justasking commented recently:he is a puppet. Who are the masters that will again pull his strings?

Wolfi, I hope you are right.

My guess is that once Jobbik gets seated in Parliament many of the members will be even less constrained than they are now. The crap we will hear from them will likely be part of their undoing. It will become painfully obvious to many more Hungarians what they represent and the international condemnation will only increase.

In addition, while the use of the internet has been an effective tool for Jobbik, it is a two-edged sword. It was not so easy as today to fact-check Aldolf's propaganda.

Pete.H-ippy? Wolfi.Viking.
OK. message understood about Jobbik. Let's wait and see. In the meantime would like some of your derogatory comment directed at the crooked MSZP and all the scandals currently surfacing in the "corruption" dept.
If you are only the "slate a nazi" group people might be led to believe that you are mere jewish, liberal gayboys, intent on preserving your lifestyle?

"I have no respect for the Hungarian soldiers breaking out of Budapest in February 1945 and no decent Hungarian should have that either."

You must be daft to think that any Hungarian soldier would just surrender to the Russians and Romanians that were besieging the city. I guess you didn't hear about the mass rapes of girls and woman 14-60 years of age by Russian and Romanian troops. If you don't have any respect for Hungarian troops breaking out then you must be a supporter of the other side which was obviously anti-Hungarian. Your comments and views obviously show that you were a supporter or sympathizer to communists and the regimes that followed after WW2. You should tread carefully in Hungary...a vast majority of Hungarians have long memories that do not fade quickly. After what happened to my family by the communists, I will do everything in my power to educate people and make sure that people never forget about what happened to Hungarians by the likes of the people you sympathize with.

"Hungary had already officially catapulted before this night and according to all International Laws, any soldier continue fighting after that moment is an irregular."

If you are talking about that communist provisional government in Debrecen, they weren't the official Hungarian government. They were a group of Hungarian reds that were no "official" government.

Jones, I really couldn't care less if people thought all that about me. I am however happy to count liberal Jewish gays as among my friends and coworkers. However, your racist ilk wouldn't get so much as a handshake.

So, I am sorry to disappoint you, I am none of the those things you pretend to despise. You'll have to pursue your homoerotic fantasy while dressed in your silly uniform with someone else.

And I have never defended the corruption of the socialists. But, I will just keep on slamming the homophobic, antisemitic, ultra-nationalist Jobbos. The socialists are descending and unfortunately Jobbos may be ascending. So, they are Hungary's biggest concern.

If you don't have any respect for Hungarian troops breaking out then you must be a supporter of the other side which was obviously anti-Hungarian. Your comments and views obviously show that you were a supporter or sympathizer to communists and the regimes that followed after WW2. You should tread carefully in Hungary
Gandi at March 19, 2010 10:42 PM
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If you are talking about that communist provisional government in Debrecen, they weren't the official Hungarian government
Gandi at March 19, 2010 10:47 PM
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1) Show where in my post
Viking at March 19, 2010 8:49 PM
I expressed sympathies for the Soviets?
I even wrote:
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"Written that, has nothing to do with what happened during the Soviet-occupation
It is possible to be against both, and not like you, chose the Nazis"
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2) When Soviet forces began threatening Hungary, an armistice was signed between Hungary and Russia by Regent Miklós Horthy
Soon after, Horthy's son was kidnapped by German commandos and Horthy was forced to revoke the armistice and was then deposed from power
This is the shame of Hungary that its leader chose private reasons, instead the welfare of Hungary, or you do not agree?
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The world will also not forget that in July 1941, the Hungarian government transferred responsibility for 18,000 Jews from Carpato-Ruthenian Hungary to the German armed forces. These Jews where in one of the first acts of mass killing of Jews during World War II by Nazi mobile killing units
What are you proud of?
Novi Sad?