This is encouraging news but not good enough. Much can and will change during the next 24 days and it is all bad news for the Communist MSZP. There are some pleasures in life that one enjoy for the pure pleasure of it, such as beautiful scenery and having a glass of vine with pleasant company. It was pure pleasure to watch Jobbik supporters celebrate election of three Jobbik delegates to the EP.
It was also a pleasure to see the disappointed faces of Communist MSZP/SZDSZ leaders as they realized their defeat and the 15% won by Jobbik, the party they hate so much and they predicted to win only 2.5%.
The körömtépő, sadistic, thieving murderers of MSZP have been whining ever since and have been calling on Fidesz to join them on a crusade against Jobbik. Fidesz has tried to oblige their MSZP partners and launched several attacks against Jobbik. Some of Orbán’s, Kövér’s and Magyar Hirlap köpködése to satisfy Lendvai, the Communist MSZMP censor, also known as the Botox Woman, backfired. Each of these desperate attacks to discredit and smear Jobbik resulted in Jobbik gaining more supporters. Jobbik will not only beat MSZP, Jobbik will beat MSZP, the Communist party of death and misery into the dust. Watching Lendvai’s face as it gets distorted with hate and rage again will be a Moveable Feast. The only thing better than Jobbik beating the Communist MSZP would be for Jobbik to win the election.

With today's news of Jobbik spokesperson's extracurricular activities this poll is already irrelevant. We will have to wait for the next round of polls to see what kind of damage was done.

We will have to wait for the next round of polls to see what kind of damage was done.
Pete H. at March 18, 2010 9:31 PM
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The worse fall-out will be from all these Jobos making their pampers start to smell so bad, when hearing the sound of an Israeli-registered small jet
What will they ever do in Government?
The Pampers-company will be happy and is actively supporting Jobbik now, as we could see RockWool was doing the other day
Rockwool will be used to soften the fall of all these future Jobbik-leaders that will have to resign for walking over the street against red light and breaking other important laws

@Pete:

What kind of damage ? Now that we know the TRUTH about Jobbik, every self-respecting Lesbo Bitch and Drag Queen will vote for Jobbik and !

This is the real place for guys and girls who want black latex and leather clothes, don't you think so ?

The uniforms of the MG can turn you on ...

Yes indeed. That's right boys!
Because Jobbik's success at the polls have nothing to with either their manifesto or the last two decades, and everything to do with if their resigned spokesman ever took it in the ass.

God, you really do think the Hungarian electorate to be so stupid, don't you?

I belive some of this information is false there is belief that the jobik party has 25-30 percent in votes the media is trying to get jobik out of the spot light for its radical thinking in hungary and internationaly!!!

there is belief that the jobik party has 25-30 percent in votes
Attila at March 22, 2010 7:48 AM
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No doubt about it, that some people do actually believe this
That is why the Jobbik Leadership more and more is repeating that the goal is to win the elections, being #1, becoming the biggest party, etc
.
And when this did not happen on April 11, we know who to blame, right?
It is a tactic that can never go wrong, because the Jobbik Leadership will always be Right
Either it will happen (See what we said!), or it did not (We were cheated!)
.
Just the normal Mouse-tactic

Can Jobbik be any worse than the communist MSZP?
What about your party, Viking, the MDF?
I believe the leadership is facing jail sentences very soon?
Viktor Orban is prime minister elect. What a depressing thought.

Jobbik will poll well in excess of any of the polls published so far. don't laugh at 25% - with polls putting them at 15-18%, and the well known bias of polls to underreport support for nationalist movements (see Euro elections 2009, not just hungary but britain, NL, france etc), id say 22-25% of the vote is a more realistic figure. LMP and MDF may get close to the required 5%, but I highly doubt either will achieve it.

seeing jobbik double the mszp's vote would really make my day ;) but i wouldnt put money on it!

and its exactly the arrogant, elitest attitudes displayed by the hungarian left, particularly Gyurcsany, Bajnai, Horn (and Viking) who have facilitated this rapid shift to the right. so thanks guys - jobbik wouldnt exist without you!

the hungarian left should not be above the law. they do not "know best". they have no god given right to so scorn the rest of society, whilst helping themselves to public monies wherever possible and blaming everyone else for the country's problems (or just ignoring the problems altogether).

your time has come, commies. the heroes of '56 can rest assured that communism in hungarian is truly in its death throes today.

and its exactly the arrogant, elitest attitudes displayed by the hungarian left, particularly Gyurcsany, Bajnai, Horn (and Viking) who have facilitated this rapid shift to the right. so thanks guys - jobbik wouldnt exist without you!
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your time has come, commies. the heroes of '56 can rest assured that communism in hungarian is truly in its death throes today.
Paul at March 22, 2010 1:42 PM
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1) Seen from your point of view, who is *not* on the Left?
But thank you for levelling me with those 3 Prime Ministers of Hungary for the last 20 years
Personally I think you over-rate my weight in Hungarian politics though, even if it is not every day you are compared to 3 of the 5 (?) Prime Ministers in the last 20 years
...
2) But what will actually change?
How will you actually stop another 2002 in 2014?

Viking: Do you remember a poster, I think called 'Stella', who as we were informed here, was "actually" a former head of MI5 or some such. Now that your "actual" status has been revealed, when are you going to drop the Scandinavian warrior facade and come clean on your "real" nationality? Oh wait, that's already been revealed here too. Shalom.

@ Dearest JOBBIK supporters (my effort at being polite)

I woke up from winter hibernation on the morning of March 21st (first day of spring) and started seeing JOBBIK in a worse light than previously – no longer just the party of the Neo-Nazis but the Party of Hypocrates as well. Forget the Budahazy issue and “fighting crime” that’s just the icing on the cake.

You have the gall to tell me to keep out of Hungary’s political issues yet American posters who spew hatred against Israeli foreign policy against Palestine become “true Hungarians” in a New York minute or one posting

I am against Israeli policies concerning Palestine as well but then again, I think anyone anywhere has the right to comment on any other countries’ political parties. JOBBIK supporters can ONLY dish it out. I see a problem with that, so on that alone, I would qualify as a Hungarian-hater

So make up your minds – either don’t say one word about Israel’s USA’s, Canada’s or any other countries’ foreign policy unless it has a direct bearing on Hungary, or accept criticism in Hungary’s affairs. If in doubt, look up the relevant legislation under “C”

It’s called the “Can’t suck and blow at the same time Act “ and was passed the day JOBBIK became an official political party

So here are some of my reasons for having the “right” to criticize JOBBIK:

continued...

cont....

1. Canadian soldiers gave up their lives to free Europe from the Nazis. Close to home, my husband’s relatives died for that cause. I care about Europe being rid of Nazi sympathisers.

2. Like it or not ,I have Hungarian citizenship and I also care about the country’s future and reputation in the eyes of the Democratic world and the “mainstream Western Media”

3. It was under pre-1989 Communist Hungary when people were not allowed to criticise the government. JOBBIK hates Communists. Therefore JOBBIK ought not try to muzzle people for political ideas different than theirs.

4. I am also a Canadian tax payer and Hungary’s foreign policy as it relates to Roma has a direct impact on our welfare , health care and education budgets. If they or anyone else in Canada with a landed immigrant status commit a crime, then there is a huge impact on our justice system as well. Hopefully this paragraph will suffice and I don’t have to explain more in details.

Kindly note, I never criticise any other party – because I don’t have a clear understanding of their policies. No such difficulties with JOBBIK.

So imitating KM’s classy style which all of you should relate to as the "tell it like it is" :

Piss off because like all of you, I am entitled to my own opinions.

Jobbik is Jobbik. Viking and Wolfi tell me they are neo-nazis. I believe with their new found success they just possibly are trying to shed this image?
I have read a lot about Jobbik and heard what Morvai and others have had to say. They address some poignant and relevant issues with great awareness.
The racial purity and jew-baiting controversies are things I do not like if indeed Jobbik are guilty?
I want to delve a bit deeper into these matters to find out the truth.
We cannot go on accepting Fidesz and MSZP as the only options. These animals have only one colour and it is communist red.
You surely have freedom of speech Olga, on this site and, et al. Whether people take you seriously...well now, that is a different issue, altogether

*I* take Olga seriously. She makes a lot of sense
to me. If you have some time to listen to her, then
listen to the garbage coming from the people who
claim to be Jobbik supporters on this site, she will
come out as the sane one every time.


If the crazed, loud, race-baiting people on this
site are *not* typical Jobbik supporters, then
Jobbik needs to send a new batch over as a
"correction." Until then, I can only presume their
rantings are an accurate representation of the
typical member.

Olga, you rock. Don't give up just yet, OK?

@ Trojan.,

Re: “You surely have freedom of speech Olga, on this site and, et al. Whether people take you seriously...well now, that is a different issue, altogether”

Could it be that people don’t take me seriously is because I don’t post anything serious 95% of the time?

So here is the deal: Anna Porter (nee Szighety) a well know Toronto author and award winning journalist wrote an article for the “Globe and Mail” entitled “Fascism, the next generation” All about Morvai JOBBIK and the MG (I am sure you can find it on a google search if you are interested. Soon someone will say she is anti-Hungarian and Jewish. She is neither) It was an old article but it came to my attention last August. I decided to find out for myself about the political scene in Hungary. Found this website, the rest you know.

I was determined to learn about the different Hungarian political parties and their platforms but it was not meant to be.

I realised that the posters living in Hungary were divided into 3 groups 1) The “foreigners” (Vandorlo, Viking, Curious George, Cinaed , Wolfi etc) 2) “The sane Hungarians “– like Farkas Laszlo and a very few others (3) many JOBBIK supporters would qualify for help under the Ontario Mental Health Act.

When the “foreigners” or the “Sane Hungarians” post articles, I read and learn. Cont.....

@ Trojan continued....

Cannot comment because I am not qualified to nor do I understand the real issues well enough to voice an opinion. So I am just grateful that I get a glimpse of sanity on this website while kicking myself for not learning Hungarian well enough to read Hungarian websites. No one to blame except myself for that.

When the JOBBIK supporters post, thinking or understanding are not required. – painful ridiculous repetition with no purpose. If the postings were not so bizarre and ridiculous I would have nothing to write.

The very fact that JOBBIK is a minority and represent maybe 15% of the eligible voters, yet they post on this website for no reason is a joke in itself.

I asked myself why the other 85% of the voters don’t sing the praises of the parties they support. The thought occurred to me they don’t want to waste their time – no votes to gain here so why bother? They probably post on Hungarian threads that count.

So what does that say for the 15% ?- you tell me.

BTW, you want serious? Read what someone named “komoly” posted yesterday regarding JOBBIK supporters. Now that’s serious

If you are a JOBBIK supporter and you think I should have freedom of speech and haven’t called me a Communist, anti-Hungarian, Israeli agent then you are an exception.

@ Olga;

That's not fair what you said to Trojan (are you a little uncomfortable calling a guy Trojan or is it just me?) Anyhow, you act as if every Jobbik supporter, foams at the mouth and has a secret desires to run over Roma and Jewish babies.

I like having a party that actually wants to stand up for the Hungarian people, that wants to make Hungary/Hungarians proud again. That, as far as I can tell...calls a spade a shovel.

I would never want that done on the backs of others, nor would I condone it if I felt that was the direction that they (Jobbik) were trying to take.

I admit, there are some things in the manifesto that Jobbik produced that I was not very keen on, that being said, I honestly do not see them the way you do.

I ask you, who else is there to vote for if you lean to the right? And please, do not even suggest Fidesz for you know my take on them.

@Olga. I don't take you seriously. And your last little rant should make it clear to everybody just why.
JD and Farkas Laszlo are the only two people who have ever made any sense to me on this site.
Erik provides the platform and people like you abuse it.
I have nothing more to say to you.
You are weak, easily influenced, and misguided.
PS. justasking. I appreciate your efforts and you stand up for what you believe in. Please don't let
thugs like olga and et al push you around.
I know you are capable and strong enough, anyway.
Good luck!

@ justasking

You are correct. I do view Most JOBBIK supporters as "foaming at the mouth" - except for Bob. I always disagree with his postings but I don't see him the same as the others.

WE both grew up in Canada - can you imagine us being called anti-Canadian because we criticize a party? I can't get my head around that. Nor all the hate incited against Jews and Roma and bringing in Israel & the US every 5 minutes for no reason

I refuse to buy into a party that endorses a convicted criminal (it happened in Alaska but two wrongs don't make a right) while " fighting crime." Then they get rid of some guy who appeared at a gay rally. I am not sure about your city but it's "family day" in Toronto with the Mayor and Chief of police participating. So Criminal = OK , attending an event= bad

"like having a party that actually wants to stand up for the Hungarian people, that wants to make Hungary/Hungarians proud again" Me too. How can I be proud when the Globe and Mail and every other Mainstream media calls them Fascists and Neo-Nazis? - Show me one respected Canadian Newspaper that has one good thing about JOBBIK and I will totally become open minded

About FIDESZ - I posted that I have no clue nor an opinion re the "good" party for Hungary. I just know which one is bad. I know that if I lived in Hungary "like the foreigners", and I were eligible to vote that I would know which party is viable given the slim pickings

Do you understand the "lopott holmi" logistics?

@ Trojan

I am ok with you not respecting me. Why would that offend me any more than you would be offended by my not respecting you?

Actually, that's not true in my case because you wrote some postings that I did respect and found informative (can't remember details)

I can even "like" some people who I totally disagree with and that would be Bob.

"Erik provides the platform and people like you abuse it." - You may not respect this either but I find it strange when people make statements with nothing to back it.

How do I abuse it and how do you define abuse? Do you think Elle attacking FL was abuse or was it constructive criticism? Equating Rakosi with today's crooked politicians, is that abuse? (negating the people who were tortured and murdered and did not "vote" for Rakosi)

Fear mongering with the "sky is falling" MO is that abuse?

You should be at least clear.

I forgot to answer justasking about your name. I thought if was based on a Trojan Horse or a Condom. Either way, a name you remember.

@ Olga;

I was referring to the condom.

As for the logistics of " lopott holmi vissza jar"
translation " stolen (lopott) things/belongings ( holmi)give back/deserved to get back" (vissza jar)

The way I read it, for I can not speak for him, BJ is of the mind, that when Jobbik gets into power, all that was stolen from the Hungarian people by MSZP and fellow goons will be returned to them. Essentially saying that Hungary and the Hungarian people time has come, for now finally a party from the people for the people.

As for the rest of your post, I will comment on when I get back, heading out the door right now.

Dear Olga,

"lopott holmi vissza jár" is an implied case, because the expression lacks a doer subject. "Stolen goods returned" is one sense; I prefer to interpret it as the "return of stolen goods". In the context of the last 20 years, to me the expression means that things misappropriated will have a way of being seperated from their misappropriators.

One example from English where a condition implies and brings about it's result is the saying "pigeons come home to roost", meaning that actions breed consequences.

As for Elle, she can still engage with Mr. Jackson, the source of our mutual tiff, over on pestiside.hu. He's still around and has the unique distinction of having been called names by both liberal and nationalist factions! Quite a feat. Apparently, neither "camp" wants him.

@ Farkas Laszlo and Justasking

Thanks for your responses. No one in their right mind would argue that politicians who obtained properties by fraud ourght to have it taken away from them They should not benefit by theft.

It's the next steps that cause the problems.

The properties are returned to the government?

Buth should the government own properties that were not theirs in the first place since the Communists took them from their rightful owners.

Just one example: Crooked politician living in the lap of luxury in the Buda HIlls. Property taken away. My Grandparents built the place before the war. ( My grandfather was poor but it's a hypothetical case) Who is entitled to this fabulous home that crooked politician might have put millions of stolen taxpayer's money into?

What if my Grandfather owned a 10 storey apartment building in the heart of District V and
it was owned by the Communists and now the government or a private company? Who is the rightful owner?

I need concrete examples to understand the logistics and my examples can be multiplied by thousand of real-estate in Hungary.

What about the"foreign owned" houses "videken" that are abandoned and falling apart? Could they be given to Hungarians for $1 and put int their names and have them renovate them and live there? Sounds good if that's a plan.

Dear Olga,

If one goes beyond the rhetoric and into the world of legal and political process, then it becomes difficult indeed. There isn't a whole lot of precedent for ex communist nations' govt's retaking privatised property, unless one looks to Putin's Russia. There some post 1989 privatised property was retaken by the state, or taken but given to other private owners favored by the leader.

Hungary has no Putin. For privatised Hungarian property to be confiscated, you get into a legal issue of having to prove that the privatisation was illegally done, or done by pople who you can prove as criminals. Because we are members of the EU (as Russia was not), many proceedural niceties will have to be observed. The people from whom you want to take things may demand "compensation". "Ex post facto" laws are also probably a no-no, where you declare somebody's actions illegal in retrospect, even when it was not at the time.

One tried and true way for govts to get around questions of past illegality is to bypass criminal prosecution and confiscation altogether, and just resort to the power of taxation. You can try to pass a law that taxes and targets certain groups and types of holdings. This too has been done in Russia,(where there is much wealth to fight over) with varying degrees of success.

Something should be done of course. It's not right that many members of the old regime profited so much from the change.

@ Farkas Laszlo

I totally agree what you say. The problem is that when I hear noble ideas I want to know how it is going to be achieved.

I remember reading how the crooked politicians have made themselves millions and the monies are in off shore accounts. Maybe hard to prove - it would be nice if it wasn't.

Then, properties within Hungary could easily be confiscated - they were obtained by crime.

Even that would be a good start.

The rest of the "stolen properties" ? Not possible to give back to original owners unless they are abandoned and the owners want to rebuild.

I mentioned this before - I spent 3 days with 250 people who had the best intentions to "Eradicate Child Poverty in Canada" - noble idea. Nothing changed. We all felt warm and fuzzy thinking about this Utopian concept then we went home and the hungry kids in Canada remained hungry

Better to have said ,let's we pick 10 schools in a poverty stricken Toronto area and we are funding breakfast and lunch programs. That would have made sense.

So why not spell out how properties and which properties will be returned to Hungarians and what will happen to said properties after the crooks are stripped of ownership?

How do big hotel chains owned by foreign investors will end up owned by Hungarians?

Where are these plans explained in details?

When it comes to large holdings by former communists who profited from the wholesale privatisation of former state properties,I believe that targeted taxation is the way to address the issue. Charge a tax level that almost forces a liquidation by the current owner, and then a liquidation sale can be held by the government at concessionary prices. That happens a lot throughout the world, where govts. often take property for non-payment of taxes and sell them cheap to the public.

Of course it would be a test of any government's will and strength to do this. The people we are talking about have accumulated a lot of money over the years, and they will fight it tooth and nail in both the courts and in the political arena.

Dear Olga,

The first thing you will need before any serious redistribution of contested assets can occur will be a majority or majority coalition in parliament, along with a PM who agrees with the program. Without the votes, it's not likely to happen. The coalition or initiative will have to stay the course, as such a program could be contested in the courts for years by powerful people who could stage the challenge. (They have plenty of money for lawyers!) They also have plenty of money with which to buy politicians.

The other thing that will also be necessary is to do all this within national and EU laws, which will make it a matter for the courts.

Along with the "stick", you can also offer the fat cats a "carrot", meaning incentives to spin off some of these assets to average people in return for lower taxes. But then you have to make tax collection more efficient than it is now, for that to offer much inducement.

@ Olga,

Response to your 3:52pm post.

Try and think of a Political Party in Canadian History, that deliberately stole from the Canadian people, showed complete and utter disregard for the well being of Canadians and who was in-your-face corrupt and could careless if you knew about because they felt entitled?

Okay... now try and defend these guys and their actions to your fellow Canadians for re-election.
If you did, I would consider you anti-Canadian. Why? Because you would want to continue to expose your country and the people, to such filth so that this cycle could continue.

Now, how hard is that to get your head around? To me, I can't understand how you could NOT get your head around that.

If you were a very new party like Jobbik, and were challenging the old establishments "divine right to Govern" do you think people would be throwing mud at you?

Now, how does a person go about shutting a Political party down and destroying their credibility? Call them an anti-Semite, call them call them fascist or call them Nazis OR all of the above. Trigger words that once thrown out, can never be shaken off.
Kind of like calling a person a pedophile. People will never quite look at you the same again, even when your proven innocent. The damage is done.

As for the mainstream media, like that's not skewed towards the Liberals.

Hate against Jews and Roma, I have made my position very clear on both and do not feel the need to do so again.

@justasking:

Are you really that naive - or should I say stupid ?

Regarding MSZP: They were elected by the Hungarian voters - why ? Maybe because the voters did trust them, or didn't trust Fidesz ?

Anyway they're history for the next years ...

Regarding Jobbik:

Did you read their English manifesto ? Did you read the comments by elle, bob and so on about gays, Jews, Roma, about "patriotic Christian tiszta Magyar" ?

Do you know the other EU parties that they work with like the BNP, the French National Front etc ?

Do you know their programs ?

Just look once at the comments by Law - that should be enough.

Vadorloo your a friggen arse wipe, you who supports Bokros and Soros one of many corrupt Hungarians. Gee is this the best attack you could conjure up to attack Morvai Kristina, you’re the lowest of low Neo Liberal jerks to be on this site.
Law at March 23, 2010 12:34 PM

It's plain to see that viking is an Israel agent
along with his mossad scum.
Law at January 10, 2010 8:51 AM

There's not much more to say ...

defend these guys and their actions to your fellow Canadians for re-election.
If you did, I would consider you anti-Canadian. Why? Because you would want to continue to expose your country and the people, to such filth so that this cycle could continue
justasking at March 23, 2010 9:22 PM
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And what would you call the voters that voted this 'bad' party into office?
Are they also 'anti-Country'?
Or they just did not share your evaluation?
Remember, hardly any one has yet been convicted, so every thing that is being discussed are speculations and opinions
Where do you have the real evidence for your statements?
Do we want a Russian situation where one part of the Gangsters steal from the other Gangsters?
And call that 'Justice'?
.
What can be proven in a court of law, should be proven and acted upon
The rest are just opinions
.
One reason that the 'old garde' was in a better position to take the opportunities that showed up, is of course that they did the same before 1990. But between 1990-1994, the first 4 years it was other people in charge, but they did not fix it obviously
Today you find these guys in Fidesz and MIEP (and therefore maybe in Jobbik, but I do not have any good example there)
They were all screwed by the 'old garde', so who was better in running the country?
.
Same problems as the Iraqis has faced since the US took away the Saddam administration
Even if Saddam was a terrible dictator, but to replace all his administration with totally new people did not work

Farkas László often points out what it will take to make Hungary a real open and transparent nation shedding the leaves of its communist past.
Unfortunately the list is so long I gasp at the very thought of where we should start.
Add to this conundrum that the next prime minister is Orban Viktor and I reach for the valium and palinka.
Bokros was the pragmatic figure that balanced the books when Hungary looked as though it was being drawn in, once again, to the black hole of economic destruction.
Simply promising to do this,that, and the other,
wins votes. Orban is good at this. What he has singularly failed to do on previous occasions is deliver on pre-election promises.
All the politicians seeking election now were brought up on a diet of Lenin, Marx, and communist
etiqutte from a previous era.
Do you believe in fairies, witchcraft,Father Xmas,
Voodoo, magic? I know I do....

@ Wolfi;
I am neither naive nor stupid.
Of course I blame the Hungarian voter for allowing MSZP and Fidesz to get away with murder. Why wouldn't I blame them? They voted them in. Again and again. That's what I don't get.
Oh, were you expecting me to blame the Jews and the Roma, is that how you think I work? Sorry, try again.
Just because I love Hungary, the people and all that is Hungarian, does not make me blind to the responsibility that they had and let slip.
I also fail to see how one could hold Jobbik responsible for some of it's supporters comments and opinions. That's just plain ridiculous.
Oh, and please show me where in Jobbiks manifesto is it written " patriotic Christian tiszta Magyar" you dolt!
@ Viking;
"What would I call voters that voted in a "bad" party into office"
Well, lets see. Voting them in once, I would say that they believed what was said and got burnt.
Voting them in over and over again? You get what you deserve. I know what I just said is going to piss people off and i could give 2 shits about that.
As a voter, it is my right to question anything and everything. It is also my responsibility to educate myself politically and get involved.
As for the conviction rate being relatively low, does not mean innocence; but, good lawyers. Besides, even Viktor in his speech on March 15 joked about off shore accounts.
I agree a total shake up is required and yes it will take years to correct. But, voters have got to start getting involved.Simple

As a voter, it is my right to question anything and everything. It is also my responsibility to educate myself politically and get involved.
As for the conviction rate being relatively low, does not mean innocence; but, good lawyers. Besides, even Viktor in his speech on March 15 joked about off shore accounts
justasking at March 23, 2010 11:33 PM
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No problem with active and well-informed voters
.
Ahh, this is the 'the crook had a good defence lawyer, so he got off'
Maybe the Prosecution had a bad case?
It take 2 to Tango...
.
Viktor Orban may joke about off-shore accounts, *but* they are not illegal as long as they are declared in the way they should (and the off-shore accounts we are speaking about are, otherwise we would just not know about them)
I can just remember what *every* Hungarian lawyer and accountant have told me;
* "Do not import your profit to Hungary, let it stay outside"
So far I have not followed their advice, but if my money is not wanted in this country, there are several others who would show their appreciation better
I will not change this for another 6 months given the next Government, but as a 'Free individual enjoying Free movement of basically everything' (EU principles) I will be a thorn in the eye of the people who will try to limit my freedom of doing just that
Of course it is better for The Leader to only have positive-minded serfs that will work to make His (never a her?) visions to become True

@ Viking;

Again, lack of prosecution/conviction does not mean people are innocent.

As for the off shore accounts, who said that they were illegal? Now, how the balance was achieved...that is what is in question.

As for what the accountant said to you, I am assuming he said that as an advisor assisting his client to hold onto as much cash as possible. As he should for that is his job. I hardly read into that " We don't want your money"

As for your comment of being a thorn in peoples eye...I agree, you are extremely annoying as your everyday self let alone when you stand up for something you believe in :))

@ Viking;
Again, lack of prosecution/conviction does not mean people are innocent
justasking at March 24, 2010 2:27 AM
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Agreed, but it does not also mean that they are guilty...

I dont know who all u people are but thts what hungary needs if u want to call it neo-nazi ideals, up to u but it needs radical change not jst economicly but soically in the sense of an average hungarians mentality to life and the world. We need jobbik to lead us to a less corrupet, free market economy and free speaking because if hungary isnt carefull foriegn companys and conutrys will soon own all of hungary!

WE NEED CHANGE AND NEED IT NOW!!!

i agree with attila. i guess saying what is on most people's minds that makes me a "racist" and a "neo-nazi"???

We need jobbik to lead us to a less corrupet, free market economy and free speaking because if hungary isnt carefull foriegn companys and conutrys will soon own all of hungary!
Attila at March 25, 2010 8:19 AM
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Please show anywhere in the Jobbik different manifestos where it declares it support for
"free market economy"
???
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They do not, they are in reality for a Socialist-styled planned economy, where a lot of regulations will exists to be sure all is done 'the Right Way'
They are a bunch of control-freaks that misses Kadar and the 'ordnung' that ruled under His time

as opposed to MSZP, the bastian of democracy, transparency and honesty?

i use your own argument against you:

Please show anywhere in the Jobbik different manifestos where it declares it support for
"a Socialist-styled planned economy"

@Paul - can you name 1 person here who has spoken in favour of MSZP in terms of transparency or democratic values?
I've read the 24 pg manifesto. Almost the entire Jobbik program implies shifting the cost of their vision of a "vibrant economy" to the government.