Hungarian Prime Minister Gordon Bajnai has asked ministers to provide immediate information concerning a press report about a recent flight by Israeli aircraft to Hungary, government spokesman Domokos Szollar told MTI on Thursday.
The government spokesman said Bajnai expects immediate information from the ministers of foreign affairs, defence and transport.
Magyar Nemzet daily, quoting a source without naming it, carried a report with accompanying photographs that two Israeli reconnaissance planes with the appearance of civilian craft had crossed Hungary’s airspace on Wednesday.
The paper said that two planes of the Israel Air and Space Force (IASF) approached the runway of Budapest’s international Ferihegy Airport twice but continued their flight without landing.
Israeli Ambassador Aliza Bin-Noun told MTI that the aircraft were not spy planes but performing routine tasks the kind of which had taken place on previous occasions, too.
The planes had received permission from the National Transport Authority (NKH) to perform their usual routine tasks. As usual, Hungary’s Foreign Ministry was also involved in the official procedure, she said.
The ambassador said she had not been informed about the details of the mission, including its nature, purpose and exact date. In such cases, she said, the embassy’s task is limited to asking permissions from the authorities.
In addition to Budapest, the routine mission also covered Varna in Bulgaria, Bin-Noun said.
The ambassador said that it was no accident that the news had appeared in [right-leaning] Magyar Nemzet, and that enemies of Israel could be behind the story.
NKH communication official Aliz Szabo told MTI that the authority issued the transit licence for the Israeli planes under preliminary consultation with the Foreign Ministry, “in line with the law on air traffic,” Szabo told MTI.
The authority, however, declined to answer questions pertaining to the exact purpose of the mission, the type of aircraft, the departure and the destination of the flights, and whether they had landed in Hungary or carried passengers.
“Israeli Ambassador Aliza Bin-Noun told MTI that the aircraft were not spy planes but performing routine tasks the kind of which had taken place on previous occasions, too.”
MTI has already done that, it seems. My God, what is going on?
@Elle
It’s called being sent a message.
Well I thought planes from all over the world were allowed to fly over Hungary as long as they are announced beforehand – at least that is the rule elsewhere in the civilised world, you just have to ask politely (and pay sometimes …)
But of course in joboland things would be different …
Bobs: ‘It’s called being sent a message.’
I believe you!
I’ve just called the Hungarian Embassy in London. The indifferent chap I spoke to knows nothing about the situation. He pretended to consult his colleaugues. Predictably, they knew nothing either.
Of course wolfi cannot tell the difference between civilian aircraft and military ones. He does not understand that Israel is not a member of NATO, and so there can be no good reason whatsoever for its military aircraft being in Hungarian airspace.
Yet this is to be expected from a man so deranged, that he considers manifesto proposals saying: Hungarian defence spending is in tatters, and that it is probably wise that Europe’s most historically invaded nation have the means to defend itself; to be the work of crazed Nazis.
And when the stupidity of his idiocy is demonstrated by the facts? He blames others, calls them uncivilised and jobos?!?!?
What a staggering embarassment. The future King of England is on a visit to our country, therefore, even at a time of heightened alert, we cannot even secure our own airspace against incursions from a foreign military power, arguably rattling a sabre in our faces for our misbehaviour?
Well Hungary, you have been warned. Vote right. Or rather vote jobb and not Jobbik. Or else.
@Bobsasshole:
“The planes had received permission from the National Transport Authority (NKH) to perform their usual routine tasks.”
So what ? This wasn’t the first time …
So what are you ranting about suddenly ?
Please explain what possible “routine tasks” the military aircraft of a foreign power could possibly have in my country’s airspace?
Schmuck.
Fascinating isn’t it, how my simple comments turn into “ranting”, as soon as people’s lies and stupidities start being exposed?
From Cinaed on other thread:
“Update…apparently, the ‘spy planes’ were
Gulfstream Vs. For those who don’t know, the
Gulfstream V is a business jet…much like the
well known Learjet. it’s not a spy plane at all.”
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Now that you know this, how embarrassed are the
Two Stooges who were trembling in the corner like
a puppy during a thunderstorm?
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Elle:”My God, what is going on?” “I’ve just called
the Hungarian Embassy in London.”
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Bob:”It’s called being sent a message.” “Well
Hungary, you have been warned.”
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I can’t figure out which is funnier, them crapping
their diapers over imaginary Israeli U2s or
accusing FL of creating/impersonating “Jackson”.
And then the Third Stooge BigJim accusing someone
of impersonating ELLE just to defame her. Is this
all publicity for some Three Borats movie coming
out soon? You guys don’t know how hilarious you
are! Jobbik must be SO SO SO proud of your “work”
on this website!! Keep up the great work!
“Update…apparently, the ‘spy planes’ were
Gulfstream Vs. For those who don’t know, the
Gulfstream V is a business jet…much like the
well known Learjet. it’s not a spy plane at all.”
Anonymous at March 18, 2010 5:30 PM
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NOT a military spy plane at all you say?
Is THAT so?
http://www.gulfstream.com/news/releases/2005/050614a.htm
Quote
GULFSTREAM SPECIAL ELECTRONIC MISSION AIRCRAFT DELIVERED TO ISRAELI MINISTRY OF DEFENSE
Large-cabin, Long-endurance Platform To Be Used for Special Missions
SAVANNAH, Ga., June 14, 2005 – Gulfstream Aerospace, a wholly owned subsidiary of General Dynamics (NYSE: GD) has delivered a large-cabin, long-endurance Gulfstream V (GV) Special Electronic Mission Aircraft (SEMA) to the Israeli Ministry of Defense (IMOD). The GV aircraft will replace the Israeli Air Force’s three aging Boeing 707 aircraft.
Unquote
Here’s a tip “Anonymous,” stay anonymous. We have quite enough pricks, who think that their own wishful thinking constitutes evidence, of our own here at Politics.hu, without needing yet another; thank-you very much.
Or maybe you could tell us all again, how we’re the ones here who are the stooges. Sent to do our work.
Trust me, if the Israelis wanted to do a spy run over Hungary, you’d never even know about it.
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I realise the photo of the U2 was probably for effect, and that it’s a familiar shape, but afterall, we’re talking about a plane that first flew in 1955. The US still owns a few, but they don’t use them for spy missions…that’s what they have satellites for. NASA uses a couple for high altitude flight training etc.
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If it were about ‘sending a message’, I’m sure they would do something a little less ambiguous than ‘not’ landing at an airport. Maybe the pilot got cold feet.
If it were ‘sabre rattling’, there are far more effective ways to do it…like flying a fully armed F16 through at high speed without permission…not a business jet with a high tech radio on board.
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more realistically, there are far easier ways to make a statement…like, I don’t know…the media maybe. Costs less than jet fuel.
…but seriously, storm in a teacup.
http://www.gulfstream.com/news/releases/2006/060920.htm
Read the article. There is a big difference between reconnaissance and surveilance.
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It’s not a spy plane. You saw yourself, it replaced the 707. It’s not the same job. If they wanted to listen in on Hungary, they’d have to be flying around in an orbit, waiting for something useful…flying through *with permission* at a known time and place doesn’t make any sense.
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OK, so that’s assuming it WAS the electronic missions plane. They also just use them as transport….you know, with high tech military issue leather seats.
If it were ‘sabre rattling’, there are far more effective ways to do it…like flying a fully armed F16 through at high speed without permission…not a business jet with a high tech radio on board.
Cináed at March 18, 2010 5:51 PM
bob: that would only make sense if it were ‘we can fly our aircraft into your airspace without asking’. Otherwise it is ‘May we have permission to fly our plane into your airspace and not land at your airport so that we can look scary please?’
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I just don’t see it.
Actually, it’s kind of like Erik’s evaluation of the ‘not scary’ rally he watched from his window.
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Anyway, I’m off to bed. Have a great day…and as R.Lee Ermey says, “Keep your powder dry and your eyes on the target.”
bob…sorry, I know I promised to go to bed, but yes, you were right that making such a statement would cause a stink with the UN, which is why they wouldn’t do it. …just the same as it would if they flew any military plane into Hungarian airspace WITHOUT permission.
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but wait. They did have permission.
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NOW I’m off to bed.
@Cináed
Though I’d never dream of disagreeing with the USMC Drill Instructor who completely stole Full Metal Jacket, it’s actually originally from Oliver Cromwell.
He said.
“Put your trust in God; but mind to keep your powder dry.”
And I’ve still yet to recieve a plausible alternative.
OK I\’m not Anonymous anymore!
\”Responding to media questions, a spokesman for the Hungarian Defense Ministry said that the Israeli planes were on a diplomatic mission.\”
(from http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3864910,00.html)
OK, so a Syrian was killed shortly before in Budapest…
Have you cleaned your diaper yet? It still kind of smells, but maybe that\’s from the embarrassment between you, BigJim and Elle regarding the -other- stupid paranoia incident regarding \”Jackson\”.
You all pretend like you are \’brave warriors\’ until a little passenger jet (approved by Hungarian Defense Ministry) flies overhead and we see what you\’re -really- made of!
Pathetic pseudo \’warriors\’! Ha!
Bobs, I’m so rattled that I wrote even to Cináed in this matter.
The bugger is that I’ve been calling friends in Hungary, and none of them knows anything new.
The NKH web page,
http://www.integratorforum.hu/hk-mainmenu-19/az-nkh-hi-leftmenu-4/2047-a-jogszabalyoknak-megfelel-modon-toertent-szerdan-az-izraeli-legier-gyakorlata-a-ferihegyi-repuel-teren.html ,
gives as its ‘friss hírek’(!) only Magyar Nemzet’s and MTI’s reports. It neither confirms nor denies anything in them. Maybe this crowd of bastards, and the Foreign Ministry, have actually done us a favour: In the face of this outrage, surely everyone sane person will vote for JOBBIK. (Please don’t bother to answer: writing is just my displacement activity right now.)
@Bob:
“my country’s airspace?” So Hungary is YOUR country now, gosh …
How many rockets does this “military plane” carry ? Or maybe some atomic bombs ? Or what are you afraid of ?
BTW the US president’s “Airforce One” is that a military airplane too, or what do you think ?
On what kind of plane did Prince Charles arrive ? Do you like him at all ?
You see I’m also good at throwing questions at someone …
Hey everyone I have a little inside info on a stock that might really be taking off … it\’s a company that makes black and orange diapers with little feathers sticking out of the back for Jobbik-members that have very little bowel control and paranoic tendencies.
——
They\’re listed on the FTSE as DIA.L and prices seem to be climbing since the jet-incident… Buy now before Bobs, Elle, and BJ corner the market!
If any one had mentioned illegal rendition as part of this type of flight, with this type of plane involved – Yes, then it would maybe had been something to discuss
But ‘elle’ and clown #2 in the bunker, give me a break!
What is this – all Jobos are 16 years old today?
I have not a clue what this plane was doing, but it has hardly been delivering a ‘message’
A message is when another state sends in real military aircraft, on low-level, undetected and without permission
.
Why should the Hungarian, as part of the NATO, air-defence be bothered about this plane?
If an unknown flight would have showed up, yeas then it would had been a fuck-up on the NATO-side air defence, but this is ridiculous
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For those want to invent stories you just connect the recent murder on a Syrian-born money-changer (a lot of black money there and they all work for the Syrian Security Services) and the plane putting down a hit-squad on Hungarian ground
Let us see what Pav can make of these details?
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Maybe they landed on the Balaton Airport (who would notice?) or even on the Balaton-ring?
Uh, this is getting very complicated – Maybe they were spreading the new version of the Swine-Flue that will only hit pork-eating Magyar, so they cannot vote for Jobbik on April 11?
Yeah, that must be it. Liberman is pissed off on Big Jim and want to give back
And of course this incident had nothing to do with the assassination of a Syrian visitor in Budapest which happened at the same time. Sounds like just another typical Thursday in Budapest, a visiting Arab gets whacked and two Israeli planes happen to be in the area. Hello? How do you spin that?
@Viking:
I thought bj was living with bob in his bunker – do you really think he is a “Tiszta Magyar” living maybe near – now this is “a message” …
“The identity of the Syrian national assassinated in Budapest had not yet been published. Hungarian police officials said an unknown assassin shot the 52-year-old Syrian while he was driving his car. The shooter grabbed a black briefcase from the vehicle before fleeing the scene of the attack, police said.”
THIS IS WHY THE ISRAELI PLANES WERE IN BUDAPEST, LOGISTICAL SUPPORT TO YET ANOTHER ASSASSINATION. SICKENING PEOPLE.
Pityu, do you have any insight, here? I am absolutely flummoxed. Bajnai appears to be claiming that he knows nothing. Yet NKH seems to be admitting that it gave the over-flight permission, and that the Israeli request for it was relayed from the Foreign Ministry. How is it possible that the PM does not know about this? And, as you say, there’s also the murder of the Syrian national and the theft of his briefcase, on the same day. I also wonder whether NATO is surprised that a member nation’s PM does not know what comes into its air space. (My God we have a crowd of sinister bastards in our ‘establishment’!)
Here is the insight, straight from the horse’s mouth:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/1,7340,L-3864910,00.html
The arrogant land thieves are sending a message-”We control you and you can do nothing,just like we control the USA and all other nations” And you know what–They are fucking right! Get a back bone people and show these arrogant bastards the way home.
Through there arrogance shall they bring about there own downfall.
Pityu, I’ve seen this one. It has been online for a few hours. What bothers me particularly is that this is such an impossible situation. E.g., how does the PM of a NATO member state explain to NATO (I am presuming that NATO will what an explanation!) that he does not know what military jets are in his states air space? Surely the Israelis and our goddamned government are not presuming that NATO takes kindly to this sort of thing.
Ricsi, two modes of operation
1) arrogant pricks
2) victims
But you know what, there is karma… and it’s coming at them from every angle.
‘The arrogant land thieves are sending a message-”We control you and you can do nothing,just like we control the USA and all other nations” ’
Ricsi at March 18, 2010 9:05 PM
They are, obviously. But will NATO not be bothered that a member state lets a non-member state’s spy planes into its territory without the knowledge of that state’s PM? (I know our PM is an Israeli stooge. But is it then OK with NATO?)
Elle@Israel is a proxy member of NATO thanks to the US integrating its defence systems with Israel in January.Israel was actively involved in Georgia last year(another would be NATO member)
Never thought it funny that these middle east land thieves take part in the European football championship,the Eurovision song contest etc..?
The scum wanted an ‘own country’ so much but still can’t resist in interfering in others affairs-Through arrogance they will bring about their own downfall.
Take care
This is good fun watching the tin-foil hat meltdown.
The Israel defenses forces and Nato are cooperating military entities. As such they have agreements to enter each others airspace. Much of this is routine and does not typically require a press release.
I worked at a US Military base (as a civilian) and I routinely saw aircraft from many other nations stopover – this included both Nato and non-Nato aircraft. We have local aircraft spotters who take note as a hobby, but nobody is worried about an imminent invasion.
And why do any of you think Israel has any real concern or ambitions regarding Hungary?
But when 15% of the population thinks Israel is likely to invade Hungary some time soon, it sure makes for entertainment to see the right-wingers get all worked up.
The Israel defenses forces and Nato are cooperating military entities.
Pete H. at March 18, 2010 9:44 PM
Aviv
Between the comment:
“But if the objective is not to cause trouble outside Hungary, only in it. If it is to make the simple statement:
“We can fly our military aircraft into your airspace if we want.” And accomplish this without causing a wider diplomatic stir.
If so? Then message received, and mission accomplished.
And I will carry on with this view until I am told what plausible possible reason, what “routine tasks,” the military aircraft of a foreign (non-NATO member) power could possibly have, for being in Hungarian skies.”
…and anonymous new username I am laughing so loud my daughter wants to know what is wrong.
Ricsi, the ‘proxy’ bit might be the murderous bastards’ undoing: ‘proxy’ is not quite ‘there’ enough. I fondly remember last September, when Zbigniew Brzezinski advised Obama to shoot down Israeli jets that might set out to attack Iran.
NATO would surely fall apart if the ‘shitty little country’ were to be allowed to join it. I seriously doubt that too many NATO member states would be chuffed by the thought of ‘defending’ it against the Gazans, or whomever it attacks next.
And Georgia: I wonder what the shitty little country was doing there … not thinking of confronting Russia, I imagine … only egging the idiot Sakashvili on. (Oh, hell … I’m just so bloody well anxious: I want this damned Bajnai mob hanging from the nearest metaphorical tree sooner rather than later.)
@Pete H.
And yet despite your laughter.
Despite the ridicule.
Despite the hilarity.
Despite the sarcasm.
Neither you, nor anyone else, has come up with a single plausible reason for them being here.
Any chance of you condescending to do so, between guffaws I mean?
You have my full attention.
And again, my second question: When is the last time a Hungarian military plane flew over Tel Aviv?
On second thoughts, I tell you what, why don’t you ask me that question instead?
Because then I might be able to enjoy a good hard laugh too.
Neither you, nor anyone else, has come up with a single plausible reason for them being here
bobscountrybunker at March 18, 2010 9:59 PM
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Technically they were not ‘here’, then they did not land
And they *had* permission to use the air-space
So what is your problem, except making a fool of yourself (which you have been doing increasingly more often lately)?
You start to sound more and more like Law/HP
Is the new modified Swine-Flue working on you yet, that would of course be the explanaition
OK BobsHidingInBunker, who wrote \’Neither you, nor anyone else, has come up with a single plausible reason for them being here.\’
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Youre just looking for plausible, right? How about this passenger jet (not \’military\’ though it may have high end electronics like airforce one) was carrying some dignitary/StateDept person from Israel but the landing had to be aborted/postponed for security reasons due to the Royal visit? That would explain why the Defense Ministry was already aware of the situation.
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I\’m sure to you that is -horrifically implausible-, so I could keep going if you like.
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If I were an ardent Jobbik supporter and knew you people on this website to be strongly affiliated with that organization my overriding thoughts upon reading your (and Elle,Ricsi,BJ) comments here would be to say to myself \”Shut up you guys… please for the love of God, shut UP! You represent Jobbik here! You\’re making us look like paranoid MORONS!\”
@ Pete H
Not sure how old you daughter is but if she is older than 10, she is old enough to understand the sad world of people living in constant fear from imagined enemies
I am sure she is too young to read this article but maybe you haven’t seen it
http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200909/field-guide-the-conspiracy-theorist-dark-minds
The Israel defenses forces and Nato are cooperating military entities.
Pete H. at March 18, 2010 9:44 PM
Excellent link Olga! That should be required reading around here!
“Technically they were not ‘here’, then they did not land”
Viking at March 18, 2010 10:06 PM
Bob why don’t you ask this guy:
Colonel László Józsa
Defense, Military and Air Attaché
He works at the Hungarian Embassy in Tel Aviv.
I wonder how he gets back and forth between Tel Aviv and Hungary.
The Israel defenses forces and Nato are cooperating military entities.
Pete H. at March 18, 2010 9:44 PM
(Looking glumly down at Bob in his Bunker):
\”Tsk, Tsk… I guess it\’s time to put him in that funny jacket with the long sleeves again…\”
Nice link Olga. I particularly liked this part:
“The earliest stages of delusion are characterized by an overabundance of meaningful coincidences,” explain Paul D. Morrison and R.M. Murray of the Institute of Psychiatry at Kings College London. “Jumping to conclusions” is a common reasoning style among the paranoid, find Daniel Freeman and his colleagues, also at the Institute of Psychiatry.”
“Technically speaking”, on 9/11, American Airlines Flight 11 and United Airlines Flight 175 didn’t “land” either douchebag
bobscountrybunker at March 18, 2010 10:19 PM
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Well, I actually think they landed, it was called a ‘crash-landing’
‘Landing’, being coming back to Terra Firma in any way
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So far no plane has been left lingering in the air, they have all come down again, at least to my, very limited knowledge in these questions, of course
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Just some boring facts, but do not that disturb you
We all love people who are gay
@Olga:
Thanks a lot for that link, it is very informative – but my pet is still “constipation theories”
@Bob:
You didn’t land in this world – you were thrown of some wagon
Bunkerman asks: “When was the last time a Hungarian military plane flew over Tel Aviv?”
If the answer were never, how would that in any way be relevant? Why exactly does this matter?
Go ahead dig that bunker a little deeper.
Nurse “Rathcet”?
That would be the mad bat of a sociopath trying everything she possibly could to hide the truth about the perversity of the system she was protecting, and who wouldn’t shirk from torturing her victims if they dared stood up for their rights as human beings?
Right?
I never knew Ildiko Lendvai posted on Politics.hu…
@bobshittinginhispants:
“Nurse “Rathcet”?”
Doesn’t you kindergarden offer spelling lessons ?
Oh Bobby Bobby Bobby,
The Hungarian army has personal in Israel. From the Hungarian Embassy in Tel Aviv’s website:
Celebration of the Day of the Hungarian Armed Forces
On the occasion of the Hungarian Armed Forces Day a reception was hosted on 20th May at the Ambassador’s residency in Herzliya [outside of Tel Aviv]. Members of military attaché association, invited diplomats from security policy field, representatives from Israeli Defence Forces and Hungarian soldiers and police officers serving in international missions in the region were welcomed by Ambassador Zoltán Szentgyörgyi and defence attaché colonel László Józsa.
And how do you think Hungarian military personal get to Israel? On a boat? Do they drive? How about a donkey-cart? Could it be they fly into Tel Aviv? No, no, no, definitely not fly.
Is that really the best you can do?
OK Bob, you win.
So, since I can’t answer this question. Can you tell now why it matters? Remember to play by your own rules.
Let’s not digress too much guys, here is what happened here
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/1,7340,L-3864910,00.html
It was a MOSSAD assassination gig, the military planes were there for logistical support, not to take aerial pics of the Budapest synagogue.
A great website for you all: http://www.WhatReallyHappened.com
Bobs, remember Georg Spöttle, the retired German ‘security expert’ (now lives in Hungary!) who told us on Hir TV that the Mossad murders in Dubai had in fact saved many innocent peoples’ lives? The same Spöttle now explains that the Israeli jets over Budapest were in fact troop carriers on a test flight to check fuel consumption over distance. The ‘expert’ added that they were definitely not spy planes, because there are passenger flights between BP and Tel-Aviv, and those could have been used for spying purposes! Once even Spöttle will do as apologist, we know the business to hand is dastardly. Your analysis of this situation is ever more convincing.
I still do not get what may be a ‘routine task’ of an Israeli military arcraft in a NATO and EU country. Rehearsal against Iran or what?
Antal: it was part of an assassination plot. Read last paragraph: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/1,7340,L-3864910,00.html
@Cinaed
You’re the one believing the conspiracy why would a story make headlines all over Hungarian media if it was a authourised flight?
Hungarian Prime Minister Gordon Bajnai has asked ministers to provide immediate information concerning a press report about a recent flight by Israeli aircraft to Hungary, government spokesman Domokos Szollar told MTI on Thursday.
The government spokesman said Bajnai expects immediate information from the ministers of foreign affairs, defense and transport.
Immediate information Goose killer is asking for, and to believe ANYTHING IN A NEO/LIBERAL news release is really believing a conspiracy, you have demonstrated how naïve you are and an embarrassment by making these outlandish remarks.
And the Israel murderers are doing to Palestinian people is highest of all crimes, no country in the world has been more ruthless then these monsters they should be BANNED from entering our air space or blown out of the sky, they ruined Hungary and Europe.
Show me another country besides Nazi Israel that commits as many horrible crimes against humanity and still manages to portray itself the victim.
Did all the filth, slime and obscene garbage pouring from these “people” convince anyone to the contrary?
Simple answer to the israeli planes , next they should shoot them
down, what could they possibly do , israel couldnt even win in
lebanon.
remember one of the rules of war is that you make yourself appear
stronger than you really are, and we all know israel is a weak
country.
Bobs: here is more to corroborate your analysis:
Az is nyilvánvaló, hogy aki ilyen melóban van, annak csak akkor kenyere a nyilvánosság, ha azt maga keresi. Fényes nappal, relatíve jó időben Vecsés fölött, touch and go Budapest nemzetközi repülőterérén – na ez nem jellemző a SIGINT-közösségek alapvetően “alacsony profilú” működésére. Kivéve, ha a feladtuk része volt a láthatóság is.
http://legiero.blog.hu/
(It is also obvious that openness is ‘bread’ for those who are in this line of work only if they themselves want it. On a bright day, in relatively good weather above Vecsés, ‘touch and go’ Budapest international airport: well, this is not indicative to the SIGINT-community of a ‘low-profile’ operation. Except if visibility was a part of their brief.)
So yes: the insolent bastards were sabre rattling – with the co-operation of our very own national transport authority (NKH)! Surely not even MSZP can paper this over.
Israeli air force routinely train pilots including flights over or to friendly countries.
These other countries,espeially small ones do too regularly. The pictures of the gulfstream airplane
shown in the hungarian media are actually “stills”
from israels aircraft industry and not pictures of the actual planes.
The 2 planes in question had Aviation authority
permits,flew over cyprus,turkey,bulgaria, romania
and hungary. There alleged spy mission is a nice
and not unusual hungarian creative election time
story(like the israeli villages built around Budapest,Israeli soldiers on the streets of Budapest etc.etc.)
Sorry folks.I actually pitty some of you for
their lack of sense of reality. But then again
Hungary,the never ending story…..
and for our conspiracy friends…
lets assume for a second the israeli planes were
“spy-planes” than a number of questions would arise from this:
1)What actually they would spy on ? Telephone consersations? Of whom?What rubbish would they here?What would they do with it?
2)To fly 2 gulfstream airplanes over hungary
and to simulate a landing approach is somehow
not exactly a “spy-plane” activity.
3)To get prior permissions for the exercise
is somehow not compatible with sophisticated
spy-operations.
4)To simulate or prepare for an attack on Iran??
With 2 gulfstream airplanes?Is this as far as hungarian imagination can go?
5)I believe an israeli invasion of Hungary is imminent.The preparation for this is now clear.
To Gulfstream planes are a clear indication of it
and i spotted yesterday in the center of Budapest
a young jew with a wireless phone talking in hebrew to someone.Coincidence?I do not believe
so.I think he spoke to the pilots of the 2 airplanes … Or maybe not.
The latest from Magyar Nemzet:
‘A honvédelmi miniszter pénteki közlése szerint jogszabályellenesen nem értesítették a katonai titkosszolgálatokat az izraeli gépek magyarországi repülési engedélyének kiadásáról, az ügyben vizsgálat folyik.’
http://www.mno.hu/portal/701893
(According to a statement from the Defence Minister on Friday, the failure to notify military intelligence of the permit issued for the Israeli jets’ flight into Hungary was in breach of the law. The matter is under investigation.)
Pityu: You will be interested in the boxed comment from Magyar Nemzet:
‘A dnes.bg bolgár lap szerint az izraeli légierő két harci képességekkel rendelkező gépe „megtámadta Európa légterét”. A cikk állítása szerint ezek a gépek képesek a földön „bármilyen apró célpontot” elpusztítani. Az írás kitér a magyarországi híradásokra is, vagyis hogy a gépek megközelítették Budapest nemzetközi repülőterét. A cikk ezután közli, hogy a magyar fővárosban szerda reggel agyonlőttek egy szír pénzváltót, s felmerült, hogy a profi módszerrel végrehajtott gyilkosság a Moszad akciója volt.’
http://www.mno.hu/portal/701893
(According to the Bulgarian page dnes.bg, the Israeli air force ‘attacked European air space’ with two war-capable jets. According to the article, these jets are capable of destroying ‘the smallest of targets’ on the ground. The writing makes reference to the Hungarian news releases, particularly to the jets’ approaches of the Budapest international airport. After, that, the article advises that a Syrian money changer was shot dead in the Hungarian capital on Thursday morning, and that it has transpired that the professionally-executed murder was a Mossad action.)
So: Others also are making the link you made!
Dear Elle,
the syrian money changer,who was shot while stopping at a red light and robbed of his briefcase.I guess the mystery spy planes the mossad sent to kill the money changer waited until the traffic lights showed red (in order
to comply with hungarian traffic laws) and then
a special agent jumped out of the planes to grab the briefcase.Only i do not understand why the syrian moneychanger did not evade by simply using the right indicator and then turn quickly left.
That would have confused the israeli mossad agents.Or?Do you see it differently?
@ Judas (attention Elle)
I know you did not ask my opinion, that’s why addressed this “att Elle” so she won’t miss the posting.
Anyway, lately I get “visions” and “messages from a higher power” and the “truth” is revealed to me.
Trust me.
The is a very simple explanation of why Mossad is being blamed on the robbery. (My vision did not actually show who actually committed the crime but who cares?)
I closed my eyes and saw this huge meeting. People were wearing black shirts and blouses. (Brown is the new black in fashion circles, but that’s not relevant) The agenda: Who do we blam for this crime?
There were a lot of people screaming and yelling ” We should blame Mossad” Others: “No, it’s a robbery, let’s blame the Roma”
There was a coin toss. You know the rest.
Sure, the Israeli’s were on a mission to take aerial pictures of the Budapest synagogue. That’s why they flew all the way to Budapest, huh? Glad to see they are spending American tax money wisely.
@Olga:
Thanks for that image of the “men in black” – you made my day!
Wonder what else our resident jobo constipation experts will make out of this, now they must be sure that Hungary will be invaded soon …
The only remaining questions are:
Will the invasion come before or after the election and will we be allowed to reenter Hungary when we return from our US holiday ?
I’m waiting with anticipation (or is it precipitation or whatever)…
Olga your visions are a blessing.
I was just on the way to reveal new exiting facts
about the the assasination of the syrian money changer by the mossad. It came to light that the gentleman run a change -office on vaci utca since
1988(his relatives are still working there).
During that time he had several apprentices(FG and
GB and the current spokesman of jobbik,who had a
close realtionship with guido westerwelle)As it so happened in 1990 a undercover mossad spy was
visiting budapest and changed 100 NIS(new israeli sheqels)at the syrian change office.Since the syrian immediatley identified the undercover agent as israeli he gave him a bad exchange-rate.
The undercover agent complained to the 3 hungarian apprentices.Ference invited the undercover agent for a coffee,Gordon offered to
make a good will gesture by promising to give a better rate next time and the 3rd guy refused flat out to listen to him.The undercover agent rose thru the ranks in the mossad and became
head of israels spy agency. He never forgot his
experiences form 1990 in Budapest and thru his good contacts with FG and GB he managed to get
permission to execute his revance mission.
He actually engaged the spokesman for jobbik(the recent gay photos are only a well orchestrated decoy) to lure the syrian into an jewish gay bar in the 7th district.There however things went badly wrong since all movements were recorded on CCTV including the planes used to recover his briefcase with the missing change .
Syrian money changer whacked by global money changers.
I find it amusing that while Israeli newspapers unequivocally connect the assassination of a Syrian citizen to the mysterious Israeli flights over Budapest, the Israeli PR crew on this site vehemently dimisses it and ridicules it. It’d be interesting to see if Israel’s agents (here or elsewhere) would ever admit guilt. They never have, ever. It is always someone else’s fault or, if they get caught red-handed, they “won’t admit or deny it”.
Grow up people, stop acting like spoiled kids. Keep your planes in your country, if you decide to visit Hungary do land, spend a few bucks on postcards at least.
dear pityu,
the story runs not in the israeli media.
there was one (1) report in the internet news
YNET written by a hungarian Attila…something and
placed into ynet.
So it is not the israeli media writting this non sense but rather a nice hungarian journalist who sold an amusing story to ynet. Israelis know the difference between news and entertainment.
It\’s Elle who always likes to use the expression \”give them some rope and they\’ll hang themselves with it\”…
Guido: Attila Somfalvi penned the article. “Somfalvi” at one point was probably “Schwartz”. To me it doesn’t matter who writes and article whether is Attila, Guido or Dov, what matter’s is if an article has merit or not. You can have the top journalists write about Oswald being a lone assassin or that 19 untrained Arab highjackers pulled off 9-11, it doesn’t matter, the pursuit of the facts is what matters. The reaction from the Israeli embassy was so nonchalant and yet defensive it clearly indicated that they were lying, much like a kid that gets caught. Israel has very little credibility left and incidents like these don’t help. The Hungarians are pissed and the Israelis are crying antisemistism again. But you know what happened to the kid that kept crying “wolf”.
dear pityu,
i reveal a secret to you:
1)Read olgas link about psychos and world consipracy.
2)The israeli war–spy-attack aircrafts were after
Camilla and her husband charles.
They got it wrong and by accident hit the syrian
money changer who’s black mercedes looked like
charles bentley. Sorry mistakes happen.:)
Guido. The point of the thread is to discuss what Israeli (military/spy) planes were doing over Hungary. Whether it was a coincidence that at the very time a Syrian national was assassinated – not a common occurance in Hungary – or not we’ll never know as Israel would never admit guilt anyway. So back to the point. If it is complitely OK for Israel to fly over other countries and ryle up their citizen why cannot others’ do the same above Israeli airspace. Clearly the Hungarians weren’t keen on this type of visit and it doesn’t not help the anti-Israeli sentiments Hungarians already have. It seems to me that Israel could care less, they just do whatever and if someone gets pised at them, well, they must be antisemites and that’s that.
@Pityu,
who wrote \’…or that 19 untrained Arab highjackers pulled off 9-11, it doesn\’t matter, the pursuit of the facts is what matters…\’
I guess the link to the Reuters article belongs on this thread:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62I21C20100319
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\”Denying speculation that the planes were part of an undercover mission, Hungarian government spokesman Domokos Szollar said the overflight was \”routine\” training that was cleared in advance with Hungary by the Israelis.
Hungarian police said they saw no link between the planes and the shooting of the Syrian man, and their investigation of his murder was confined to Hungary.
\”The Israeli airforce conducted a training operation at Ferihegy airport the day before yesterday, but it was not spying or reconnaissance, merely a routine pilot maneuver, the so called touch-and-go,\” Szollar said.
However, a breakdown in internal communications meant the Hungarian defense ministry was not informed, and when the planes were sighted and reported in a Hungarian daily, Prime Minister Gordon Bajnai ordered an investigation.\”
\”Budapest chief of criminal investigations Zsolt Bodnar, said speculation about a link was \”in the realm of fiction\”.
Hungarian authorities sent no request for information to Interpol about the case, said Richard Leyrer, Hungary\’s chief liaison with international police associations.
\”The only connection I have seen between the two cases is that they were in the news on the same day,\” he told reporters.\”
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Thorazine anyone?
1)regarding the merit of the story published on the Israeli news site. I think I covered that before…the piece is full of ‘may be’, ‘was reported to’, ‘appeared to be’. There was nothing definitive, had no follow up of sources, little originality and as such, for me at least, goes into that category of ‘ok whatever’ that most of what I read in newspapers and news-sites goes to.
2)I would have thought that there would be a few people around here who might have been happy to see a money changer thrown out of the temple. I can think of another great historical figure who wasn’t big on money changers.
Guido. I’ll keep this short because I don’t want to digress from the issue at hand. I don’t consider myself part of any group. I don’t believe in official stories unless they can be examined by independent experts. I’ll be less reluntant to doubt the (rather silly) official story of 9-11 once the government explains what brought down WTC-7, why there were no airport video footages of the 19 jokers, and a million other questions. This is a good start:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1559151.stm
But back to the issue at hand. We still don’t know what the Israeli aircraft were doing in Budapest and longer the hush-hush over it the more it’ll become something detrimental to Israel. If you love Israel, which I am sure you do, you too would be concerned about that instead of trying to crucify (pun intended) the messengers.
PS: Here is a website for you guys and dolls, I don’t agree with everything the guy posts or his personal views on some of the issues but it is refreshing to read the news from alternative sources not just the usual white-washed, corporate-friendly and pro-Israel sources. Take a look, bookmark it, you can even argue with the guy if you’d like. Would that be nice to do with the talking heads of CNN etc?
http://www.WhatReallyHappened.com – enjoy
@Pitiful:
“We still don’t know what the Israeli aircraft were doing in Budapest …”
They didn’t land according to the reports – so what could they do ?
I think Viking is right with his virus theory, the fever is already spreading …
to CryWolf: one more time, we still don’t know what these Israeli aircraft were doing over Hungary.
Don’t you think that conversely Israel – or any other nation’s population for that matter – would like to know what out-of-allience military aircraft may be doing in the sky above them? I think it would be so much easier for Israel to make an official statement like “we were given permission by the Hungarians to conduct a spy operation in its airspace”. It would then shift the responsibility to the Hungarians. But the lack of a strong statement regarding the mission (!) of the flights just creates suspicion and aggravates the already edgy relationship between Hungarians and Israelis (and their sayamim) in Hungary.
Bobs,
I am sooooo freaked out about this!
Could I possibly move to your bunker for a while?!?
Only temporarily, of course, unless we really hit it off, if you know what I mean… Just between you and me and justasking I am really attracted to you (and Pavaszem too!!). My God what intelligence!
I guess your IQ must be 160!!
At least!
I would also like to bring my girlfriend and our gerbil named Fabian. Have you got any ‘toys’ we all could use until the apocalypse passes?
My God, I just saw a plane flew by towards Heathrow and it had a big blue JEWISH STAR painted right on it’s tail!
The end is here!
God save us all and Szebb Jovot next time!!!)))
@pitiful again:
Now it’s “what these Israeli aircraft were doing over Hungary”
at first it was “in Budapest”
I ask again (maybe you look it up on that site you quoted, they probably have constipation theories wilder than Viking’s joke):
What the f**k could they do – and why are you so concerned about it ?
PS: “constipation” is intentional – conspiration sounds lame …
Mocking people here is par for the course. What goes around, comes around (well, some people are more ‘generous’ than others). ..even ‘impersonating’ someone happens, and again, same ol’, same ol’, but usually there is a marker or statement that identifies the actual poster. When someone actually just flat out uses someone else’s name without a distinct clarification, well, that’s bad form. …and man, it just feeds this whole conspiracy business.
Pityu wrote: \’once the government explains what brought down WTC-7, why there were no airport video footages of the 19 jokers, and a million other questions. This is a good start:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1559151.stm\’
(According to the Bulgarian page dnes.bg, the Israeli air force ‘attacked European air space’ with two war-capable jets. According to the article, these jets are capable of destroying ‘the smallest of targets’ on the ground
Elle at March 19, 2010 2:04 PM
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Wonder if ‘elle’s intelligence would be big enough to be classified as one of the “‘the smallest of targets’ on the ground” that could be destroyed?
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Viking is on a roll today! I love this website.
nozor@yahoo.com
A new boxed remark by Magyar Nemzet:
‘A legnagyobb izraeli napilap, a Jediót Ahronót által üzemeltetett hírportál szintén úgy fogalmaz, hogy Budapest felett egy kémakció zajlott, amelynek a főváros szír lakossága lehetett a célpontja. A New York Post is azt feltételezi, hogy a dubaji gyilkosságnak köze volt a budapesti szír férfi megöléséhez. Az amerikai lap szerint a Moszad évente több, Európában élő arabbal végez. (hírTV).
http://www.mno.hu/portal/701972
(The largest Israeli daily, the Jediót Ahronót-owned newsportal, also posits that a spy action, of which the target might have been the capital’s Syrian population, unfolded above Budapest. The New York Post surmises that the Dubai killing is linked to the Budapest Syrian man’s murder. According to the American paper, Mossad does away every year with several Arabs living in Europe.)
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According to the American paper, Mossad does away every year with several Arabs living in Europe
Elle at March 19, 2010 8:41 PM
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Yes, it is part of ‘bob’s anti-Islam crusade
‘bob’ do the ideological support
The modified GulfStream Jets do the actual destroying of “‘the smallest of targets’ on the ground”, like Syrian businessmen driving around in luxury Mercedes
Especially this specific GulfStream Jet has been equipped with the latest technology to kill ‘soft targets’
(Israeli New Speak for Syrian Businessmen), without damaging Mercedes-cars
(invention sponsored by the Israelis who owns the Mercedes Corp)
“However, a breakdown in internal communications meant the Hungarian defense ministry was not informed, and when the planes were sighted and reported in a Hungarian daily, Prime Minister Gordon Bajnai ordered an investigation.”
This is the only thing of any significance regarding this event. Poor communication within the Hungarian government. That’s it, nothing more.
Now if you Jobbos want to complain about that, I am actually with you.
And Elle, keep your hands off my boyfriend Big Bobby. He’s already promised me bunker time.
It\’s sort of a minor thing, but Elle needs to be clarified re: the NY Post article she referred to…
Anonymous, I did not say anything at all here. Rather, I translated a boxed remark by Magyar Nemzet. (See the link I supplied.)
‘Why you all focus on Israel and not Rwanda, Sudan-Darfour …’ Glance at the theme of this thread, then provide your own answer.
Anonymous, I should add that the NY Post is hardly a reputable US newspaper. It is not where you go for reliable information. It’s has much more in common with the National Enquirer than it will ever with the WSJ or the NYTimes.
Yes, compared to the New York Post even Blick would be “high class journalism” …
I heard a joke once:
You have to open these papers very carefully – or the blood will drop on your lap …
Yes, I know the Post is a \”tabloid\”!
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Elle wrote: \”\’Why you all focus on Israel and not Rwanda, Sudan-Darfour …\’ Glance at the theme of this thread, then provide your own answer.\”
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You are correct as far as THIS thread goes, but incorrect as a whole on this site when i refer to you \”all\” (the \’Jobos\’)…. Take BJ… EVERY POST is about the Jews/Israel… it\’s amazing (and boring)! Every thread! Law, same thing, etc.
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Seriously, out of curiosity, if the \’commies\’ are the Devil (besides the Jews) how come in the 100,000 words i\’ve read here I never once heard you all call RUSSIANS the Devil?! Why is that? No criticism of any other bad regimes, North Korea, NOTHING!
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I guess you Jobos just have a special spot for Israel? I already know your feelings on Roma.
Israel and Russia are NOT a NATO members. In a normal situation the following happens:
The UK’s Royal Air Force has launched fighter jets to intercept eight Russian military planes flying in airspace patrolled by Nato./2007/
Russian Tu-60 bombers were conducting a 13-hour patrol over the North Sea,a routine training flight above NEUTRAL waters! However, the Tu-160 crews were escorted by Norwegian air force F-16 and British Tornado fighters./2008/
The intercepted intruder was a Russian Antonov AN-72 twin-engine transport, obviously tasked with sounding the reaction of the NATO air defense organization over the Baltic./2009/
Two Russian Tu-160 Blackjack strategic bombers that carried out a routine patrol mission over the Arctic and Atlantic Oceans were shadowed by four NATO fighters /2010/
ISRAEL’s latest colony (called HUNGARY) did FUCK ALL to intercept the israeli military airplanes flying deep above NATO territories. Congratulation to the zionist “Hungarian” government. Next time when the Chinese military airplanes come I suppose they will do the same nothing.
And there is no difference between cat-fights between fighter pilots in opposing countries (Greece and Turkey being NATO-members) trying to outmanoeuvre each other over the Aegean See and a scheduled flight in European airspace, that was officially requested and given *all* permits by *all* countries involved?
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Of course not, the Greece-Turkish weekly encounters are normal for NATO-members, but the scheduled Israeli flight was not….
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Why are all Jobos pissing their pants like small children over this?
It is not an issue
Having a problem getting all your gay and lesbian members in to Gábor Zázrivecz’s (aka Vona) closet?
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I thought that one was rather big nowadays given the recent traffic from it,
or should I interpret that differently,
it is so small, so every claustrophobic jobos need to get out?
@Elle
It’s called being sent a message.
bobscountrybunker at March 18, 2010 4:53 PM
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If you want to see a message being sent then check out this link:
“It makes no sense to me why Sweden would show such ignorance in misinterpreting this image of Russia,” embassy spokesperson Anatoly Kargapolov said
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http://www.thelocal.se/18250/20090316/
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Down in the article you can find a video on the actual show that made the Russian Embassy issue an official statement however, condemning the piece:
“We do not react to eccentricity by some lunatics whose Russophobia should place them in an asylum rather than on Globen’s stage”
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Jobos, see and learn!
This is “being sent a message” when a foreign nation’s official spokesperson claims that that the producers of the national Swedish TV should be placed in a metal asylum
It also shows the instinct the Russian leadership still has to immediately think to put away dissident opinion in mental asylums
Maybe not so much differers in Russia today under Put In and the old Glorious Soviet-union, whatever our resident Jobos claim?
Under Putin’s directive Russian history is being re-written.
This is on the grounds that Russians need to feel proud of themselves.
The new gospel according to Vlad the lad is called
“positive” history.
Any alignment to Russia is a backward step.
Hungary should commit itself to the EU but, at the same time ensure it secures, and has control over its own destiny.
What does Turkey have in common with Hungary?
Turks stayed here for 150 years in the past. Far too long in my estimation.
Christian country steeped in classicism with a host of architecture and literature to prove it. Had a golden period too in the mid-19th century.
Hungary has produced wagon loads of talented individuals that have had to move abroad to earn a living.
Let’s stop the brain drain and put all our efforts into moving Magyarorszag up the pop charts.
I do not believe that Hungarians worry too much about pop charts. They are concerned about their country being stolen from them and they want it back.
Fidesz will have an opportunity to show what they can do. Fidesz better do it right, not according to foreign directives because if they screw it up, they will turn into a mini party, the same as MSZP/SZDSZ/MDF and the rest. This time, Jobbik will be in Parliament speaking up when Fidesz tries to sell out.
That Israeli military plane violating Hungarian airspace just like the German Nazi planes did. What is the difference?
Lobotomy you cabbage head. What foreigners stealing the country? You can’t give land away for love nor money. Farmers can’t eke a living. The young do not see farming as an attractive way of earning a living.
Village community life is dying and only Roma seek to inhabit abandoned properties and live on welfare.
Get real you whacko! Are you from Alabama, or Toronto, or cloud cuckoo land, like the rest of the so-called adopted blood lineage wannabes
on this site.
Go crunch a coconut or do some plane-spotting. Perhaps you will spot a MiG this time around.
Israelis are full of themselves at the moment even telling America and Russia to “shove it”!
You can always tell a nazi – no sense of humour.
You qualify obergruppenfuhrer!
You can always tell a mű-israeli Nazi from the way it reacts when caught with his clammy handy in someone else’s pocket.
Israel with their homegrown agents is stealing Hungarian land at a fraction of its value. There is a reason why the Hungarian villages are dying. The current Communist MSZP/SZDSZ government is doing its best to destroy the small and medium Hungarian Farmers and turn poor Hungarians and Gypsies against each other. Destroy and depopulate the Hungarian villages so that foreign “investors” can buy up prime Hungarian farmland for a fraction of it value. Sukoró is just the tip of the iceberg of Jewish Hungarian government officials selling prime Hungarian land to an Israeli “investor” for a fraction of its value.
The flood of insults is further proof that mű-israeli Nazis are afraid of the truth. Hungarians are not afraid of the truth. Only the mű-israeli Nazis are afraid of the truth.
Destroy and depopulate the Hungarian villages so that foreign “investors” can buy up prime Hungarian farmland for a fraction of it value
lopott holmi vissza jár at March 20, 2010 3:51 PM
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Except it is illegal for any ‘foreign “investors”’ to ‘buy up prime Hungarian farmland’, a small detail that will never trouble our resident jobo,
*How* will this change from April 26?
@ lopott holmi vissza jár and krampus: 1956 AND NOW
Last night, two ladies occupied the table across the narrow space from us in a busy London restaurant. Their Hungarian voices, though mute, reached us clearly. They soon settled into a conversation about the Israeli jets over Hungary, one noting sardonically that the Jewish Minister of Defence claims to have known nothing about the supposed permit the Israelis had obtained from the Aviation Authority. ‘How else can all this end,’ she asked the other rhetorically, ‘but as it did in 1956?’ Before my husband was able to stop me, I responded in Hungarian with apologies to their sudden awareness that I had been listening in. It transpired that the two had grown up as neighbours in Budapest, and both were twelve in 1956.
By ‘how it ended in 1956’, she explained on my request, she had meant that the Jews left in droves, the first to do so when the borders opened. ‘That is probably why the borders were opened,’ she observed, ‘to let them out.’ The Rákosi/Gerő establishment and their ÁVH henchmen were so hated for their atrocities against Hungarians, the other added, ‘that we had pogroms in our eyes’.
I do not myself see pogroms in people’s eyes today. But I do see and hear a steely determination that Jews shall cease to run this country. I have also heard a lot of indignant talk about the children of the Jewish 1956 emigrants returning aggressively, asserting their right to own, and freely displaying their hatred of Christian Hungary. They also seem to be populating this board quite thickly.
By ‘how it ended in 1956’, she explained on my request, she had meant that the Jews left in droves, the first to do so when the borders opened. ‘That is probably why the borders were opened,’ she observed, ‘to let them out.’
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the children of the Jewish 1956 emigrants returning aggressively, asserting their right to own, and freely displaying their hatred of Christian Hungary
Elle at March 21, 2010 2:04 AM
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So, now the Hungarians who fled in 1956 were mostly Jews at the same time as so many Jews were still left in Hungary to continue their ‘jewish communist’ oppression
So, were are all non-Jew Hungarians then?
They never existed, because Hungary seems to have a never ending source of ‘jews’?
They make up the people who fled, the people who stayed and the people who came back?
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Logic never seem to trouble the real hate-mongers
Dear Elle,
That’s why I’m encouraging my sisters and brothers to apply for there Hungarian citizenship so at least the land will remain in Christian hands not left to the dogs.
I’m also looking to invest in acreage and a small village, currently exploring the countryside’s for an appropriate location. I’m proud to be a Hungarian Christian. . Love your passion for exposing the lies that hover over this wonderful land of the Magyars, keep up the great work.
Law. I hope you succeed with your journey into real estate in Hungary. Be careful where you buy. There are some beautiful and picturesque villages across Hungary and the land and houses are at bargain prices.
It has been made difficult for those outside the EU to buy agricultural land etc (even houses)so lot of choice at the moment.
Good luck.
No more news on the aereal (or irreal ?) war activities of the dreaded Israelis in jobo-land ?
Maybe it really was a friendly, legitimate and announced visit – what a pity, nomore shitting in their pants from fear for those anti-everything jobos …
Law, good for you! Fortunately, quite a few people have the same idea as yours. Our type of little investment might interest you: We had ‘horsey’ friends in BP who were dreaming about setting up a horse agistment. They had got to the point where they were seriously considering a property outside Szeged, and had begun negotiations for a bank loan to finance its purchase and its equipment. We persuaded them to forget the bank loan, and let us come in as creditors of a company they would form. Our arrangement is simple: they do not repay our loan until they decide to sell the business, or otherwise wind up the company. The agistment became a roaring success in barely more than two years, and the company is doing swimmingly. Our investment is safe, and we helped get a rural industry going. If ever we find some more loose money, we intend to invest it in another.
I know of Hungarians not living permanently in Hungary who have done this sort of thing: buy a run-down rural property, renovate it, and make it available to a group of friends as a weekender. They fill the grounds with vegetable gardens, chicken coups, etc. They become close to self-sufficient in food stuffs. I expect there would be lots of ‘takers’ for this kind of scheme. (We will do it, Law! Szebb Jövőt!)
But I do see and hear a steely determination that Jews shall cease to run this country.
Elle at March 21, 2010 2:04 AM
You are so right, Elle! Imagine a community of 100 people where they all work hard and an outsider takes over with outside help, trickery, robbery and murder. That is what Rákosi and his gang of Jews did after the war with the help of Soviet tanks and they inflicted unspeakable horrors on the Hungarian people. The same people are still in power 65 years later. It has to stop. Justice demands that it stop because every people have a right to run their own country and to be the masters of their own fate. Nobody has a right to impose their will on other people and exploit them for their on interests.
You are also right about many Jews with bloody hands leaving Hungary during the first days of Hungarian uprising. The United States had a law banning Communist from entering the country while Canada accepted anyone. While I do not doubt for one minute that Olga’s parents were decent, patriotic Hungarians, many of Olga’s “Hungarian” childhood friends must have been the children of these Communist murderers. It must have been difficult for Olga to have a decent, patriotic, outspoken father with company like that. The desire to conform did the damage we see today.
GREAT POST LAW! It is an excellent idea and you should go with it. Many wealthy and not so wealthy Hungarians would support such a mission. Is there a chance that you could compose something and post it on Jobbik’s English language site? It could be a foundation Hungarians could contribute to preserve Hungarian farmland in Hungarian hands.
Law, good for you!
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(We will do it, Law! Szebb Jövőt!)
Law at March 21, 2010 12:06 PM
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Is this what you call a split personality?
Law speaking with Law?
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I am just a simple technician, but when we have two machines with the same IP-address, we do have trouble…
I don’t know how I did this again. But this post was actually mine: ‘Law at March 21, 2010 12:06 PM’. (Sorry, Law.)
Just found this:
Obama recalls bunker-buster bomb kits to bar Israeli strike on Iran
DEBKAfile Special Report March 20, 2010, 6:54 PM (GMT+02:00)
debkafile reports that the pair of Israeli Gulfstream Vs converted to spy planes sighted over Budapest on March 17 may have been an Israeli signal of its concern over White House measures for keeping the means of attacking Iran out of its hands.
The long-haul flights, demonstrating the Israel Air Force’s ability to cover the distance to Iran, took the aircraft over Turkey, Bulgaria and Romania as well as Hungary. The two planes carried out maneuvers over Budapest international airport with no attempt at concealment.
http://www.debka.com/article/8665/
What on earth is this supposed to demonstrate? If the IAF’s spy planes were to ‘cover the distance’ to Iran, they would come done over it like confetti. One might as well rule this out as an explanation of the spy planes over Hungary.
‘The United States had a law banning Communist from entering the country while Canada accepted anyone.’
lopott holmi vissza jár at March 21, 2010 12:21 PM
McCarthy was good! The US could use another one.
Viking, “Is this what you call a split personality?
Law speaking with Law?”
I think we have a case of Law getting caught in the act of sockpuppeting. Forgot to change his username I guess.
I think we have a case of Jewish shills once again stuck for an argument – unless, of course, this portal enables them to tamper with user names. (Now, this is Elle writing. I shall check that the user name that follows is mine.)
this portal enables them to tamper with user names. Now, this is Elle writing
Elle at March 21, 2010 1:46 PM
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What proof do we have on that?
It seems as confused as normal…
Does anyone have a perspicacious take on this? BT reports that the rector of the Zrinyi Miklós military academy has been taken into custody for abuse of office in an attempt to blackmail a private security firm: http://www.budapesttimes.hu/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13945&Itemid=219
Keeping in mind that Szekeres is the Minister of Defence who knew nothing about the Israeli spy planes, I wonder if there is an internal war going on among the ranking military about their private-security-firms baksheesh? (Someone authoritative tipped off Magyar Nemzet about the Israeli spy planes. That paper would not have taken the word of a journalist looking skywards on a matter as serious as this. Is Szekeres warning the military to keep stumm from now on?)
http://intelligencenews.wordpress.com/2010/03/19/01-414/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+intelNewsOrg+%28intelNews.org%29
sorry, long link
move articles here: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com
BT reports that the rector of the Zrinyi Miklós military academy has been taken into custody for abuse of office in an attempt to blackmail a private security firm
Elle at March 21, 2010 5:00 PM
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Maybe you should believe that the Police, especially the NNI, do their work rather good nowadays?
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If the Hungarian boss of a world-wide international company like DHL, walks into the Police and make a complaint that his company is being black-mailed, yes of course we should think it is part of the ‘jewish communist conspiration against Hungary’
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You throwing in that the Hungarian Military would be ready for a Military Coup, less than 30 days before the election, where the Government will lose…?
Dream on
Just do not tell anyone about your grand father being a great Hungarian General
It would just be very embarrassing for his memory (if that now is possible)
‘You throwing in that the Hungarian Military would be ready for a Military Coup, less than 30 days before the election, where the Government will lose…?’
You threw that in, you imbecile, not I.
This affair happened 4 weeks ago and was reported on politics.hu …
So why does elle bring this up again ?
You can also look here:
http://www.budapesttimes.hu/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13945&Itemid=219
It was reported yesterday by BT, not by politics.hu, as far as I know, and particularly not four weeks ago, since politics.hu is not prescient. But for some reason, you posted the link I had already posted.
@Hyacinth – http://www.caboodle.hu/nc/news/news_archive/single_page/article/11/head_of_mili/
‘You throwing in that the Hungarian Military would be ready for a Military Coup, less than 30 days before the election, where the Government will lose…?’
You threw that in, you imbecile, not I.
Elle at March 21, 2010 6:26 PM
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Keeping in mind that Szekeres is the Minister of Defence
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Is Szekeres warning the military to keep stumm from now on?
Elle at March 21, 2010 5:00 PM
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And how is your comment on “Is Szekeres warning the military to keep stumm from now on?” to be interpreted then?
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It would have been a valid thinking if we were discussing Turkey, but this is Hungary and the military has not crossed its ‘civilian’ leaders since they hanged out Horthy to dry and joined the Nazi-Germans instead
Mindig a bolondnak van igaza (the lunatic is always right). Yes, ‘Viking’. Any improbably stupid anything you burble.
Yes, ‘Viking’. Any improbably stupid anything you burble.
Elle at March 21, 2010 11:27 PM
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Look who is talking:
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Does anyone have a perspicacious take on this? BT reports that the rector of the Zrinyi Miklós military academy has been taken into custody for abuse of office in an attempt to blackmail a private security firm
Elle at March 21, 2010 5:00 PM
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It was reported yesterday by BT, not by politics.hu, as far as I know, and particularly not four weeks ago, since politics.hu is not prescient
Elle at March 21, 2010 8:24 PM
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Checking your link we can read the 2 first lines stating:
“University rector & DHL boss arrested in racketeering case
Sunday, 21 February 2010″
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You seem to have a problems with dates
Last time, with EU’s problem with the MOL Mining Fees, you were over a year wrong (it is 2010 this year), but now only a month wrong (we are in March, not on Mars)
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So just keep that river of Truth flowing,
it makes good entertainment,
where ever you are
Today’s (23 March) extra-ordinary sitting of the parliamentary defence committee heard that Defence Minister Szekeres, who had previously claimed that he knew nothing of the Israeli spy jets’ visit to Hungary, in fact did know of it.
According to Vágó József, head of National Aviation Authority (NKH), the body that gave out the permit for the Israeli jets’ entry, the request for it had come from the Israeli Embassy in Budapest on 1 March. The decision to grant the permit was made on the same day, and the foreign Ministry was notified of it. Vágó said also that the Israeli request was not referred to the security services ‘because it is established practice that where no risk to national security is apparent, the services are not notified’ (mert a kialakult gyakorlat szerint, ha nem látnak nemzetbiztonsági kockázatot, nem értesítik a szolgálatokat).
Hey ho! So it is our Aviation Authority (i.e. the air-traffic cop) that makes national-security-regarding decisions!
Lázár János, leader of the FIDĖSZ faction of the parliamentary defence committee, asked the representative of the Aviation Directorate what the purpose was of the jets’ presence in Hungary. The representative answered that ‘we do not examine that which holds no risk to national security’ (aminek nincs nemzetbiztonsági kockázata, azt nem vizsgálják).
Szabó Vilmos, Foreign Minister, said that they did not call in the Israeli Ambassador in regard of this matter because they saw no reason for it, and continue to see no reason for it.
http://www.mno.hu/portal/702649
Eeeeek! I had no idea that we are already an Israeli territory.
Hey ho! So it is our Aviation Authority (i.e. the air-traffic cop) that makes national-security-regarding decisions!
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Eeeeek! I had no idea that we are already an Israeli territory.
Elle at March 23, 2010 2:30 PM
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1) And it is the actual Traffic Cop responsibility to inform the local Security Branch of the Police if he/she finds something that could be a threat according to “national-security”
Like stopping Ricsi’s Pig Transport and finding the pigs a bit ‘explosive’
This can be treated as a local issue with explosives, or something related to the upcoming election
It will still be the local Traffic Cop making this decision
And that is why Ricsi can continue with his Pig Transports…
(It is a joke, so calm down. I know nothing, I am from Budapest)
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2) Do you propose Israel should be treated as an Enemy Country?
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And that some papers are signed off for ‘FYI’ to some other Minister, does not mean that the other Minister actually will read it, or even get it in time to have an opinion on it
Friendly countries coming and going can hardly be the real issue for an Hungarian Defence Minister
He/she should be concentrating in supporting Hungarian troops in Afghanistan
There Hungarians risk dying every day and that need some attention, not ‘elle/sophie/tunde’s childish hatred for all Jews
Now then, after we have heard all the different
conspiracy theories,spy theories,assaination theories etc .etc. we might come back to a simple
fact:
1)Israeli military pilots train regularly in airspace outside israel.Over friendly countries
like romania,cyprus,turkey,bulgaria and hungary.
This they do like other small countries who do not have “air-space”.
The hungarian mission was a “touch and go” exercise,done by gulfstream planes (without any
surveillance equipment)
The mission had been announced to the hungarian
aviation authority and approved like in other cases before.
One might discuss why the hungarian different
ministry got in such a burocratic mess after this
story was reported and i believe in the end
hungarys ministries will solve the question:
Who is in charge in these cases?Who has to report to whom,when and about what.
So actually this event will have positive effect
on government procedures.Say thanks guys.There
is a positive element in this.Take it.Its one step forward.
So fun to continue to watch the over-reaction to this incident.
“Eeeeek! I had no idea that we are already an Israeli territory.”
I am so looking forward to my five weeks this summer in the capital (Új Zsidóváros) of the Magyar Szabad Terület Izrael Állam.
Elle, there are drugs for the treatment of such intense paranoia. Or just cut down on your caffeine.
Besides those crazy comments that this “elle” writes I wonder where (s)he learned English ?
Some strange misspellings pop up regularly like defence (any connection to fencing ?) and so on.
Might give us Mossad agents a clue where (s)he is from …
@ Pete H
I can tell you are in the social work field and truly worry about Elle’s mental health issues.
Stop worrying – the whole plane issue is now one big joke once you read the actual posting, you won’t stop laughing. Comedy Central material.
It’s a posting by Elle on”the Former PM Medgyessy unenthusiastic about Gyurcsány’s increased public profile” thread at March 23 2.04 a.m.
The short summary is that the hilarious team of Vona and Morvai admitted flying the plane.
Almost as funny is the paragraph above whereby Morvai entertained herself at law school by playing with explosives. (I sent that one to a bunch of lawyers so they could chuckle too. The one response I got was that I should stop working part-time and go back to my full time job because I am “losing it” by reading such garbage) She lacks humour or pissed off that she didn’t get a chance to play with explosives during law school.
Strong words from Lázár János, President of the Parliamentary Defence Committee:
‘Az izraeli gépek belépéséhez hiányzott a titkosszolgálatok hozzájárulása, ezért a törvényeket megszegve hajtottak végre a mai napig ismeretlen célú berepülést az országba.’
(The Israeli jets’ incursion lacked the concurrence of the security services. For that reason, this incursion into the country, the purpose of which is to this day unknown, was conducted in breach of the law.)
Lázár called upon the Prime Minister to disband with immediate effect the entire executive of the NKH, and to weigh up its and the Defence Ministry’s responsibility ‘in the matter of this outrageous Israeli incursion’.
http://www.mno.hu/portal/702677
Strong words from Lázár János, President of the Parliamentary Defence Committee
Elle at March 23, 2010 6:16 PM
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And you can bet your last underwear on, that when his party, Fidesz, is in Government, bureaucratic incidents like this, will be treated as the most natural and as the no-importance issue it actually is
This is a thing that Fidesz is using to show they are ‘Strong against Israel’ (attract some Jew-hating ex-Fidesz voters) and throw some shit on MSZP, so no one will remember that there will be no big difference for normal people, when Fidesz comes back to power on April 26th
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Of course Fidesz will only speak about Israel and not Jews, but in this ridiculous question, that is just a code-word for what we all know
Now when Jobbik is laughing about this, it is important for some Fidesz-nuts to continue to drive this question a week more or so, then it will be forgotten forever
Viking. Is my salt beef sandwich ready yet?
I’ve only been waiting two weeks.
According to the Viking gospel all Fidesz supporters/voters are jew-haters now as well?
The MDF have played whore to every other party in an attempt to form an alliance to enable them to get that magic 5% which will keep Ibolya David out of clink.
One thing for sure those planes don’t belong to British Airways!
Abba, Saab, and Viking. The trinity upon which the world depends.
Danes reckon Swedes bunk over the border to buy cheap beer. Carlsberg?
According to the Viking gospel all Fidesz supporters/voters are jew-haters now as well?
Étterem at March 23, 2010 9:44 PM
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Please show the quote and post that makes your statement correct
I cannot find it
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Do you really think that it is the ‘jew-loving Fidesz-gypsies’ who went over to Jobbik from Fidesz?
Remember Fidesz has always had a bunch of voters that swung between MIEP and Fidesz, why should not the same voters swing over to Jobbik?
Those are the real target in this illustrious Fidesz-campaign
‘Fidesz – The anti-Israeli Guaranty!’
‘No Israeli plane makes touch and go on Ferihegy airport!’
Yeah, big deal
Will Fidesz demand that the EU makes direct negotiations with Hamas on the West Bank
Will Fidesz send Hungarian troops to the West Bank?
Of course not, not even Jobbik will do it, regardless all their rhetoric
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Normally political parties that share important visions. like on Defence, NATO, EU, Afghanistan, etc, (and Fidesz and MSZP do), do not bicker about these things in a way that could disturb foreign relations (neither Fidesz nor MSZP see Israel as Enemy Country, so there is nothing about that), but it is obviously Election Time and the Gloves Are Off
Anything goes to win the margin voters
Viking. In 1948 the state of Israel was born. Palestine does not exist? Israelis have given up on a peace agreement.
This is an age-old problem. Solomon with all his wisdom could not resolve it.
I believe we do not have the politicians irrespective of their party to bring about change and reform that will put Hungary on the road to success. FL says it will take a generation. I hoped he was wrong. But, as per usual, I think he is correct. That doesn’t mean we should stop trying.
Jobbik gets slammed but they are making progress.
I dislike intensely any thought of a nazi renaissance and hope Jobbik will curtail any further move in this direction.
If indeed that was their intention?
The far right is beginning to surface in many other countries. Russia is startingbeg to beat the drum once again and rewriting history in that, kind Uncle Joe was a great war leader that delivered the people from the nazis and gave them the hammer and sickle with which to work themselves to death.
Viking. In 1948 the state of Israel was born. Palestine does not exist?
GreasySpoon at March 23, 2010 10:38 PM
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In the terms of a NationState, Palestine never existed
That small place has been the subject of so many occupations that we easily forget half of them
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For the rest of your post I think I need a translater
Dear Greasyspoon,
Of course I say it will take time, just because (almost) no nation has achieved a high standard of relative economic importance nor transparency of government in a few short years, especially when it’s people have had limited experience with self rule. If it’s any consolation, Hungary is by no means close to the bottom of the heap of nations when ranked globally. The country has many good things working for it, besides the negatives.
Much can be done to prepare for the future. I do not believe in giving up, because if I did, I would have departed from these message boards years ago.
@ Viki.Trasnslator or interpreter.
Will there ever be a Palestinian state recognized
by the world like Israel was from 1948?
Russia is in a period of revisionism. Re-writing
history. It’s called “positive history”? This according to Vlad Put-in is to give the people
confidence and to make them proud of their country.
Joe Stalin is portrayed as a great leader who fought the nazis and defeated them. The hammer and sickle is symbolic for a workers paradise.*Sarcasm and irony mixed.
There is a definite rise in right wing, nationalist activity, across the world at the moment. Check it out for yourself. Do a week’s research. Start with France, Spain, and Russia,
Hungary.Perhaps Sweden? Never!
I hope this is simple enough for your tastes.
Speaking of “taste. What’s on the menu today?
There is a definite rise in right wing, nationalist activity, across the world at the moment
…
France, Spain, and Russia,
Hungary.Perhaps Sweden? Never!
Spoonfeeder at March 24, 2010 9:48 AM
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It depends how you define the “right wing, nationalist activity”
* In France the ‘Left’ just made progress in their regional elections, so?
Also many Jews are voting on Le Pen nowadays, due to his anti-Islam/Arab-stance
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* In Spain?
Which party are you thinking of?
Definitely not Jobbik’s sister party, the open Neo-Nazi
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* Sweden
Here also we have Jobbik’s sisters party being a rather small splinter group (ND) from the much bigger SD
SD will probably make it into the Swedish Parliament, so that would count as both increase and success
SD is very much like Jobbik if we compare cleverness in argumentation and media aware
They are fronted by young likeable people
But they do have one big difference to Jobbik and that is why they will never will be on the same ‘team’ anywhere
SD is *the* most pro-Zionist/Israel party in Sweden
SD was part of organising pro-Israeli demonstrations and events in the Malmö-area during Israel’s big attack on Gaza the other year, provoking outrage from the ‘local’ (including the Greater Copenhagen-area also) Palestinians and different pro-Palestinian groups
This reaction has then been used to spread anti-Islam/Arab sentiments by SD and their biggest supporter in Hungary ‘bob’
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In ND, Jobbik’s partner, you will find the anti-Jewish and open Neo-Nazi people
@Jewdas: “Israeli air force routinely train pilots including flights over or to friendly countries” Hungary is a ‘friendly country’ all of a sudden? I thought it was an anti-Semitic, Gypsy killing waycist-Nazi snake pit… “The 2 planes in question had Aviation authority permits” ‘Hungarian Defense Minister Imre Szekeres yesterday demanded an investigation of Wednesday’s overflights, which the ministry said were made without prior notification from Israel… http://bit.ly/cT3AqI Nice try though, Jew boy…
Pávas,
“I thought it was an anti-Semitic, Gypsy killing waycist-Nazi snake pit…
Nice try though, Jew boy…”
No not a pit, just people like you.
Dear Pavaszem (sounds pavre to me)
Yes Hungary is considered in Israel as a friendly
country.
This does not mean that we can not logg horns
with xenophobic magyars.Does it?
Hungary needs to buy or borrow some decent hardware and shoot down any suspicious Israeli planes. Same goes for Mossad agents, and other enemies of the country. If Israel complains, we can always call them “anti-hungarite dogs” or something.
‘Logg horns with’? So that’s what the spy jets were doing! Is that a new name for ‘extra-judicial killing’? If not, then what happened to the horns of the xenophobic Magyars who were logged with … not harvested, surely?
“The 2 planes in question had Aviation authority permits” ‘Hungarian Defense Minister Imre Szekeres yesterday demanded an investigation of Wednesday’s overflights, which the ministry said were made without prior notification from Israel
Pávaszem at March 24, 2010 11:29 AM
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Wake up or you missed the fact that we are speaking about a fuck-up between 2 Hungarian Ministries?
And the guy on the Aviation Authority, which is not part of the Defence Ministry, got the sack for maybe not doing his job
@elle who wrote-\”\’Logg horns with\’? So that’s what the spy jets were doing! Is that a new name for \’extra-judicial killing\’?\”
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elle after all the misuse of vocabulary you put on this website you are going to make fun of someone using \”logg horns\” instead of \”lock horns\”? I remember you runing away like chickenshit when some poster asked you why you always use wrong words like \”translititierate\” or someting. If making fun of someone\’s language is the best you ahave then you dont have shit. look yourself in mirror before opening your stupid mouth.
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All yuo liars please shut the fuck up and move to Hungary if you pretend to care so much. You dont.
“The Hungarian Defence Ministry had no preliminary information of this flight of the Israeli fighter jets, ministry spokesman Istvan Bocskai said. Besides Hungary, the Israeli jets also flew over Turkey, Bulgaria and Romania on Thursday.”
(actmedia news agency)
Three EU countries including Hungary visited
by Israeli war planes. Who was informed prior to this so-called reconnaissance mission? Nobody!
What would our chances be if Iran on a bad day decided to do the same loaded with weapons of mass destruction?
EU defence mechanisms? What a fucking shambles. -
They don’t exist! Leastways not when the Israelis are around!?
The European Union is too embroiled in straightening cucumbers and bananas, and working on bail out packages for failed member states that
include, Greece, and Portugal.
Bermuda Short,
“Who was informed prior to this so-called reconnaissance mission? Nobody!”
NATO was informed and various Hungarian government agencies were also informed.
Furthermore they were not fighter jets.
The reaction of the far-right to this incident is a real case study in group paranoia.
@pete:
Now maybe Jobbik has one more reason for this (from their programme):
Our homeland, situated in the very centre of Europe and at a strategic point of impact, requires a fighting force consisting of a standing army 40,000 strong, increasable as necessary by a reserve fighting force of 10,000; in addition to which, the protection of the country’s hinterland necessitates the creation of a territorial defence entity some 20,000 – 22,000 persons strong.
Of course, how do you protect the Hungarian hinterland (nice German word, BTW) from Israeli spy planes ?
Stranger and stranger things are getting …
@bobinthe shithouse:
Isn’t free speech one of your main points ?
Now you’re calling me something – I call you and your Nazi friends something …
Please keep up your “good work” – it shows everyone just how loonie you all are !
Please give us more constipation theories – compensating for your written diarrhoea …
how do you protect the Hungarian hinterland (nice German word, BTW) from Israeli spy planes ?
wolfi at March 24, 2010 10:52 PM
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Very good question!
I think Jobbik need to design the
* Airborne Csendörseg
The Hungarian Defence against foreign planes with a permit!
@Ben Gurion: “Hungary needs to buy or borrow some decent hardware and shoot down any suspicious Israeli planes…” It’s easier said than done… We can’t even operate the zillion $$ weaponry we are forced to buy as another tribute to the Allies from Lockheed Martin, BAE, Boeing et al. But even if we could operate them their IFF (Identification Friend or Foe) or ATR (Automatic Target Recognition) systems would defeat any attempt to shoot them down. &, We were forced to install these systems on our older hardware as well. _They of course can override _their systems and bomb us back into the stone age again like they did in WWII only this time we won’t even be able to shoot back. Clever, isn’t it? We could and should deal with Mossad agents though and shut down that fucking El Al terminal at Ferihegy that has literally become occupied territory and the most outrageous breach of our sovereignty bar none — even the FBI’s heavy handed activities (carrying guns and making arrests in Hungary like the GESTAPO in occupied France.)
@Pete H.: “just people like you” O RLY? Why don’t you ask around and see how popular Zionists and Israel are in Hungary or anywhere else, PH? Let me give you a little hint: the Ebola virus is more popular
@Jewdas: “Yes Hungary is considered in Israel as a friendly country” By the ‘any country that has been purchased won’t have to be bombed’ principle no doubt… And how many Hungarians do you think have any sympathy for Israel or feel it’s a ‘friendly country?’ Just give me a wild guess.
@Viking: “Wake up” What have I missed? ‘Facts?’ Let me tell you what the facts are. The facts are that Dr. Trache’s assassination bears an uncanny resemblance to Dudayev’s murder: his cellphone was homed in on by spy planes. The two planes are pretty telling too since two planes are needed for the triangulation. Case closed.
Lena will represent Germany with the song Satellite at the 2010 Eurovision Song Contest in Oslo (Norway),