Hungarians will not have any appetite for any militia such as the outlawed Hungarian Guard once the country has a “strong and respectable police force with clear authority”, Peter Szijjarto, spokesman of the incoming government Fidesz party, told commercial television on Wednesday.
Next to the police force there is no room for repressive organisations, whether they are called “a national guard or Hungarian guard,” Szijjarto said on a TV2 programme.
Referring to radical nationalist leader Gabor Vona’s plans to wear the vest of the Hungarian Guard in Parliament, Szijjarto repeated his party’s position that “everybody must observe the laws of Hungary, even if – or rather, all the more so – he is a member of parliament.”
Szijjarto added that President Laszlo Solyom, who will attend Parliament’s first session on Friday, will “certainly react very prudently”.
“The President requires that no violation of any law should occur in the inaugural session of Parliament,” Ferenc Kumin, a senior official of the President’s staff, told MTI in connection with the issue on Wednesday.
In an open letter to Solyom on Tuesday, outgoing leader of the Socialist Party Ildiko Lendvai said that the Jobbik leader’s attire would “do serious harm to values of Hungarian democracy and its legal framework”.
She asked Solyom to “warn Jobbik’s parliamentary deputies to observe the written and unwritten rules of Hungarian democracy”. She also asked the President to make public his position and the action he was planning to take.
“strong and respectable police force with clear authority”
Dream on. It would cost tons of money and plenty of time to reorganize the police and make it useful.
The Hungarian Guard is already there, costs nothing to the few remaining taxpayers.
Looks like we’re back on the same track, throw money away, only to please minorities and the political correctness mafia.
Let’s steal the money of pensioners, sell the rest of the country to IMF, so we can finance yet another project bound to failure.
@Incontinentsense
“The Hungarian Guard is already there, costs nothing to the few remaining taxpayers.”
Right, given a choice between an established police force (that needs reform, sure) and a politically aligned militia, you pick the later. I guess if you thought October 15, 1944 to 28 March 1945 were a few good months in Hungary, you pick the Garda.
@Pete H
I expect you to post a long list of crimes committed by the Hungarian Guard. It would make your idiotic comparison a bit more credible.
Paranoid much?
@Pete H.
Are you working for the Simon Wiesenthal Center? Did your boss – Rabbi Marvin Hier – gave you an order to hunt down the old Nazis in Hungary, or if you can’t find any than find/create new ones?
@ Common Sense
According to this website, “On July 2 a Budapest court of appeal issued a legally binding ruling banning the Hungarian Guard, the uniformed arm of the radical nationalist party Jobbik.”
So the question is really not about a list of crimes commited by the MG – the point is that unless the court overturned its decison, the MG is illegal.
Political parties in a democratic society support the laws of the land and find legal ways to amend or overturn what they consider unfair legislation.
By supporting the MG, you are supporting anarchy.
BTW, a convicted criminal ( wrongly convicted or guilty) should do his patriotic duty and stay away from his chosen political party until such time as his name is cleared. That would be putting the party’s interest ahead of his own.
If I were living in Hungary and hated JOBBIK, I would be pleased to hear about the demostration.
You know, “give them enough rope” etc…
@ Common Sense
Anonymous was me
“Simon Weisenthal”… where did THAT come from, other than hatred deep inside?
DoubleH, I call bullshit on your moniker not being
shorthand for “HEIL HITLER”.
At least be honest with us. When an actual Jew
has the nerve to confront you (like me), you got
all two faced before and pretended that you are
just fine with Jews, when it’s clear you’re not.
And that’s your right, I suppose, but it kind of
makes you an asshole to have a hard on for one
particular ethnic group, that I seriously doubt
has had much effect on your life. But go ahead.
One day I hope you run into people who feel
exactly the same way about Hungarians and maybe
you’ll get the point.
Would love to hear what your moniker REALLY means
besides your birthdate. “Pair of Aces + Your
birthdate”? I’d gamble NOT.
@2xH
Yes I am an agent of the Simon Wiesenthal Center. You saw right threw my cover as an atheist Massachusetts academic biologist. I have been watching you very carefully. Look out there’s a Jew in your cupboard.
@Incomononsense
The Garda are affiliated with one party – why would you have a partisan organization policing Hungarians of many different political preferences. That sets up a situation much like in 1944 when you had the Arrow Cross militia and the Gendarmes in allegiance with the Arrow Cross party. Let’s not even mention Hilter’s little partisan militia in the form of the SS. Paranoid or prudent to keep the Garda out of policing?
Hey when are you guys going to start calling Fidesz anti-Hungarian. This steady drumbeat of anti-Jobbik statements from Fidesz is so anti-Nemzeti. Could it be that only a mere 17% of Hungarians voted for the true Hungarian party?
I am hoping Orban shows some guts and has Vona arrested for wearing a banned symbol of hatred.
@ Bystander
What are the names of radical “crazy” Jewish organizations in the USA? I cannot imagine a religion, race or a group of people who do not have their own nut bars.
Do you cringe any time they get “air-time”, the way I cringe when JOBBIK gets media attention in Canada?
Just like I admit to not understanding the Hungarian “psyche”, Hungarian people living in Hungary don’t understand that I am forever linked to Hungary because it’s my birthplace. ( Like you are linked to every decision made by Jewish people
including the state of Israel.)
I can completely understand Pete H’s feelings when he writes that JOBBIK is an embarrassment to Hungary.
I can’t speak for him, but I know for me, it’s actually a “selfish ” feeling. I don’t feel embarrassed when I hear about other ultra right wing groups in other parts of Europe. Disgusted yes, embarrassed – no
@olga
“the question is really not about a list of crimes commited by the MG – the point is that unless the court overturned its decison, the MG is illegal.”
We all know the kangaroo court convicted the Guard under political pressure. There was no legal basis to ban the organization, which makes the decision invalid. If you’re looking for enemies of the country, look at the powers who orchestrated this injustice. When your leaders are so profoundly corrupt, it’s your civic duty to ignore bad laws and court decisions.
I’m still waiting for the long list of actual crimes committed by the Guard.
Do you really have a reason to be afraid of a patriotic group? Do you hate Hungary that much?
It’s one thing to disagree with Jobbik, it’s another to accuse them with crimes and criminal intent. I’m not a Jobbik supporter, I’m just fed up with the forces behind the anti-Jobbik movement. You are not alarmed by the fact that nearly one million Hungarian voters chose MSZP in the last elections. The same party which has a proven track record of unethical and criminal behavior. They managed to fix previous elections, admitted to lying to get into power, and bankrupted the country both morally and financially. You don’t feel the urge to protest MSZP, but you’re up in arms against Jobbik, just because they national interests over globalist interest groups. Why is that?
Hi Olga!
I’m in for a quick stop — it’s been a little
while, but I couldn’t resist a fast visit today.
As to your question, in the USA I don’t hear very
much about organizations like the “Jewish Garda”
or anything menacing people, but of course I have
to deal with the shame of what the Israeli
government seems to continually do — I understand
a lot of their behavior comes out of
paranoia/post-traumatic-stress-disorder (ironic
similarity to Jobbik’s behavior with Roma) but
that doesn’t excuse it.
Within the US I have mixed feelings about AIPAC
which lobbies on “behalf” of Israel in that they
backhandedly produce more ill-feelings against
Israel than positive ones in many cases, and I am
embarrassed by the many Jews who are under-
educated about things and spout misinformation
about “the evils of Islam” etc. that get repeated
often even by some educated Jews… the same way
some educated people in this forum spout
misinformation about Judaism without actually
turning to the sources and critically evaluating
claims themselves.
However, most Jews in the US that I know are like
ME, and at holiday meals etc. the ratio seems to
be about only 1 in 3 are what I would call
“apologists for over-zealous Zionism” (i.e.
Republican Jews that seem to lack sympathy for
Palestinians, who like going to Allan Dershowitz
lectures) and the other 2 in 3 I find to be like
myself which I would say are Secular ‘humanists’
who are embarrassed about the others.
Thus, my time spent here.
On second thought, I’m going to estimate that
number as “1 in FOUR” instead of “1 in three” Jews
in the post above.
I think I was inadvertently picturing holiday
meals with my stepmother’s family, who love Sarah
Palin and think Obama is the Anti-Christ.
They are the exception and not the rule!
To Olga, I totally forgot to mention a group
called the J.D.L. or “Jewish Defense League” that
was something like a terrorist organization (I
think they plotted revenge against people who
plotted to kill Jews or something), but I never
really heard about many real-life activities they
pulled off in the US (or elsewhere)…
I think I need to look that one up… Haven’t
heard about them in years and years. That evil
Mier Kahane I think founded them. He was a bad
guy for sure! No help to “my people”!
I never in my life heard any Jews speaking of them
in a positive light, but I suppose there could be
a few crazies somewhere if that group even
exists…
Most Jews in the U.S. are too busy gossipping
about who got what Lexus or BMW or talking about
what university their grandson got into, to be
wanting to be mixed up in any controversy, much
less threatening people, etc.
In Israel, where the Army is mandatory for 2 years
(I think) and every backpack left on a bus is
presumed to be a bomb, the thinking is different,
I guess. Fear does crazy things to people, as we
see on this website.
OK, now back to Hungarian issues…
@ Bystander,
I thought you said that you were busy and couldn’t stay long…
I just hadda EAT, ya know? You think the jelly
doughnuts just leap from my grape-stained dress
shirt into my mouth? I gotta use both hands…
makes typing difficult and so forth.
Good to hear from you — did I just say that?
@ Bystander,
)
You might want to wipe your mouth…there’s still a tiny bit of bullshit around your lips
Using the excuse of shovel action, for the need to type… HA!…your just afraid Mama’s gonna catch you fat boy!
Thanks JA, you don’t have to spit on the napkin,
it’s just grape jelly.
I took a break to eat since I use two hands when I
type…
I know *you* like to keep one hand free when
responding to my posts, for obvious reasons!
@ Bystander,
Well yeah! Do you have any idea how hard it is to puke and type at the same time?
I wouldn’t put that finger down your throat
considering where it’s just been!
@Bystander,
No, with your posts, fingers are not required. I use the hand to hold back my hair
I don’t know why but I was picturing you clean-
shaven down there, but I STAND CORRECTED AGAIN!
@ Bystander,
D
Would you stop being such a pig? I was talking about my moustache!
OK, that was a pretty good one, I’ll admit.
@ Bystander,
)
I thought so too. It was a toss up between moustache or nose hairs
Fuck I can make myself laugh
What a double act. Jelly fucking doughnuts and nose hair.
I have just finished playing my guitar and knocked a glass of beer all over the chair. I did a little rasgueado flourish, flamenco-style, and then tried to spin the guitar in the air. The end result was I hit the top of the glass and the beer which I was looking forward to flew everywhere and has now seeped into the fabric of the settee.
I can smell it as I type. As it begins to dry the aroma is redolent of cat piss. O Fuck.
We should call ourselves the Three Stooges.
@Applepie,
You might want to put on some Jesse Cooke…his music might put you in a better mood
@Common Sense
I read your paragraph – twice.
“We all know the kangaroo court convicted the Guard under political pressure. There was no legal basis to ban the organization, which makes the decision invalid. If you’re looking for enemies of the country, look at the powers who orchestrated this injustice. When your leaders are so profoundly corrupt, it’s your civic duty to ignore bad laws and court decisions. ”
Had I been in the same room with you and you told me what you wrote, I would think for a minute, reflect on your statement and reply “I am sorry, I have to go to the bathroom, nice meeting you, bye ” So I shall pretend those were the circumstances; you left me “speechless”
Re: “Do you really have a reason to be afraid of a patriotic group?
No, I don’t, I would admire a patriotic group – I simply don’t define “patriotic” the way you do so it’s a moot point.
Hate Hungary?
Given that only 17% of Hungary’s population voted JOBBIK, I must be in the 83% Majority of “Hungarian Haters” -
Re: ” You are not alarmed by the fact that nearly one million Hungarian voters chose MSZP in the last elections. ” – I was not “alarmed” I was completely shocked . As usual, FL explained the reasons for the votes and then it made sense. Actually, the election results make sense.
I am not “outraged” about any decisions made by the Hungarian electorate, nor do I have the right
to do that. It is what it is
I am sad JOBBIK got any seats in Parliament yet
I understand the reaso
Looks like we’re back on the same track, throw money away, only to please minorities and the political correctness mafia.
Common Sense at May 13, 2010 5:20 PM
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You sound like a Slovak Nationalist on the question on why Slovak should use their money to support Hungarian language schools
In the end of the day we are all Slovaks, right?
At least if you are living ‘North of the Border’
We all know the kangaroo court convicted the Guard under political pressure. There was no legal basis to ban the organization, which makes the decision invalid
Common Sense at May 13, 2010 8:32 PM
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No
Ildiko Lendvai lecturing on how to “observe the written and unwritten rules of Hungarian democracy”???
her previous employment as a brutal state censor should serve her well here. the hypocrisy is unbelievable.
did her party observe these rules whilst in power? shouldnt “resign if you bankrupt the country” be a good unwritten law of democracy? or is “dont disagree with the establishment” a better one?
shouldnt “resign if you bankrupt the country” be a good unwritten law of democracy?
Paul at May 14, 2010 7:44 AM
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Do you have an example where this “unwritten law of democracy” has been implemented?
@ Bystander and Common Sense
Bystander – nice to see you back. I don’t blame you for wanting to have a beer with Vandorlo – There are a lot of people on this website I would love to meet. Both Vandorlo and Cinaed are easy to reach because their names are underlined and
it will lead you to an email address.
Cinaed’s is differnt than Vandorlo’s because you can register on his website and can write emails to others who are registered.
@ Common Sense (?)
You sound very much like Mark/Loppott. It seems when you were “born again” you changed your MO slightly.
New recipe: “Take away Israel, Palestine, comparison of the present Communists in gov’t to Rakosi,Stalin” and substitute gun control.
BTW – can you come up with an example of a Western Democractic political party that has its own vigilante group or if you wish “patriotic private army” ?- whatever you want to call the MG is fine.
@Olga, who wrote: “can you come up with an example
of a Western Democractic political party that has
its own vigilante group or if you wish “patriotic
private army”
There used to be a US political party called
“Dixiecrats” or one can go way way back to after
the Civil War when the US Democrat party used to
be the ‘bad guys’; tied to a longing for the
Confederacy if I recall correctly… and yes, they
*had* a militia-like organization that tried to
spread fear among minorities to discourage them
from voting etc. (under guise of ‘security’).
Their paramilitary organization like the MG was/is
named the KU KLUX KLAN (KKK).
“Both Vandorlo and Cinaed are easy to reach
because their names are underlined and it will
lead you to an email address.”
I never tried to click on their links, didn’t
think people actually linked to emails here!… I
did quickly stop by Cinaed’s website at one point
for a few seconds when he talked about web
conferencing but I never followed up…
Bystander: Unfortunately, I don’t have the time to
update my site nearly as often as I want to, but it
is still up, and is available for use, even if just
an anonymous networking site.
-
If you’re worried about confidentiality, I’m not
about to publish anything. It’s not my style.
@Bystander
I asked Pete H. if he belonged to the Wiesenthal Center because he keeps posting that the Magyar Gárda is somehow the same as the Nyilaskeresztes Párt and he keeps bringing that long gone Party into the discassion. (I am also fairly sure he doesn’t have a clue about the ideology of that Party besides Wikipadia.)
I already said that DoubleH does not stand for Heil Hitler.
I am fine with Jews in general; but not with all and mostly not with ceartain organizations. As a matter of fact I admire some of their traits (like how they value education or how they stand together and protect each other/unlike Hungarians on that second one).But I am not so fine with many other groups either so I guess that makes me a general racist of some kind against Jews, Gipsies, Arabs, Reds, Whites, Asians, Negros, etc.
@Pete H. “Look out there’s a Jew in your cupboard”
You are wrong, I have the ‘Evil Monkey’ in my cupboard.
@Bystander “a group called the J.D.L. or “Jewish Defense League” that was something like a terrorist organization (I think they plotted revenge against people who plotted to kill Jews or something), but I never really heard about many real-life activities they
pulled off in the US”
Didn’t (don’t) need to plot to kill Jews to get on their bad side and they have pulled off more than one violent act (arson, assault, etc.) against people.
The pride of Zionazi JDL:
http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Index-Jews-Thug&Finger.jpg
Nazi as Nazi does:
Germany vs. Israel
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/GazaHolo/index.html
Jobbik and Magyar Garda do not advocate of doing and does not do any of the things Nazi Germany did and Nazi Israel does.
The Nazis are those who want to take over Hungary. They claim that Jobbik and Magyar Garda is Nazi because they do not want to be slaves in their own country.
Nazi as Nazi does and that makes Israel Nazi, the same as Germany was
Now for something completely different:
UK stops selling 500 euro notes over crime fears …
http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE64C1JN20100513
The (in)famous Kopp Verlag, home of many conspiration theories, made this into a kind of “scandal”:
http://info.kopp-verlag.de/news/eilt-grossbritannien-verbietet-500-euro-noten.html
This was just to push LYNCH’s idiotic comment down …
The (in)famous Kopp Verlag, home of many conspiration theories
wolfi at May 16, 2010 1:27 PM
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The next one will be about
‘The Great Hungarian Tragedy’
or more popular
‘Why God wept for 4 years in Hungary’
I mean it has already started, since the Orban Government started it has rained and it will probably do that for the coming 4 years
Even God is crying over the result of the Hungarian elections
I was obviously wrong in that Fidesz would bring in the sunshine and positivism in the country again
Who can be positive in a country where even the dogs refuse to go out?
This rain is not too bad – agriculture needed it, and our dog still wants to go out to play – I have to throw the frisbee …
The lightning and thunder all night however made the dog come into the bedroom – that’s the only thing besides fireworks that the poor creature is really afraid of.
We also had no electricity for over three hours, so no heating, no light to find the toilet and so on …
Like we say in Germany, the angels have been weeping for Hungary – I hope it’ll stop soon …
Now I have to go out and play with the dog again.
@ Wolfi,
I wonder how your wife will find your attempt at romance, when from the light cast by your “mood setting” fire place….she sees that you have pissed on the floor because you could not find your way to the toilet due to the lack of electricity?
Things that make you go hmmm.
@justasking:
No problem for us to find the toilet in the dark:
My wife just took me by the ” *****” (sorry, hand) and lead me there …
PS: This loss of electricity happens regularly, so we have flashlights and candles (not as bright, but more romantic) …
@ Wolfi,
You realize that you up and ruined one of my funnier posts by responding don’t you?
But, I’ll try and save it none the less
So, your wife went and took you by the…ear?…nose?…and lead you to the rest room?