Jobbik is initiating an amendment of the Constitution in order to bring back the 1920-1945 national flag featuring the royal crown and coat of arms.
The far-right party is also asking the government to reintroduce the “Hungarian Prayer” of the Horthy era, in all schools. The prayer reads “I believe in one God, I believe in one homeland, I believe in one divine eternal truth, I believe in the resurrection of Hungary”.
Jobbik MP Sándor Pörzse told reporters that the crown “which was removed from the national flag by the Communist regime” symbolises the unity of Hungarians in the Carpathian Basin.
In response, Christian Democrat MP Tamás Lukács told Magyar Hírlap that hanging the Hungarian Prayer in schools would be “political suicide” for Hungary, as it would generate an unnecessary conflict of no benefit to anybody with neighbouring states.
Always good to see that the only current potential opposition is concentrating on the issues that will make a difference to Hungarians’ lives.
Agree with you Van having Faith is the most powerful step towards uniting people and giving them real value to life, instead of the dog eat dog nature created by modern Athiest and secular regimes.
Just how does religion fit into 21st century
politics? Religion is divisive and poisonous. And
what about us dual citizens? “one homeland, eh?”
The world is a different place to 60 years ago, and
it is unfortunate that Hungarians only wish to look
backwards rather than embracing the future where
they can make real changes if they want to. Sadly
most prefer to wallow in sentimental nostalgia, and
the settling of old scores. It’s just so sad and
myopic.
How about something like this:
“I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”
How about something like this:
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of Hungary, and to the victatorship for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all – except for “Jews and Roma” …
Those are not Hungarians. Even the ones currently living in Hungary should be encouraged to leave.
Common Sense at May 28, 2010 2:52 PM
Wolfi you are sub human and belong in a cage..
Oh yes, yes, yes, finally some measures that will improve people’s lives, who cares if the Country is broke ??? We have the Hungarian prayer!
OMG what a sad place…
Laughable. Forcing all schoolkids to say “I believe in one God” would be completely inexcusable and politically ludicrous. Even in many so-called “Islamic states”, children are not forced to declare beliefs that they don’t hold.
@Ván…
“Jobbik is initiating an amendment of the Constitution in order to bring back the 1920-1945 national flag featuring the royal crown and coat of arms.”
This is the key phrase here, and to me the move is self-evidently strategic. Which is suprising, as I just haven’t seen Jobbik behaving strategically of late. Thinking here about Pősze’s statement that Jobbik should distance itself from the Guard. Entirely sensible, and words of wisdom from the guy mostly responsible for writing the manifesto. But torpedoed.
Anyway what they probably figure is that Orbán’s thinking goes soemthing like this.
1) Boot out the IMF
2) In doing so paint myself as the big patriotic hero.
3) Through this steal a march on Jobbik and by doing so:
4) Wipe them out at the elections in October.
5) With this accomplished readmit the IMF on terms more favourable to me and Hungary, something nearer to what they’re giving Ukraine.
The reason why the quotation is important, is this is a proposed amendment. And Fidesz has not accepted a single proposed opposition amendment since it won. Not by Jobbik or LMP or MSZP. Not that they’ve voted them down… they haven’t even accepted the amendments onto the agenda tp be discussed in the chamber.
So this move by Jobbik was only ever going to be symbolic.
But what Fidesz have done is rejected Jobbik amendments, then redrafted them and submitted them as their own.
This is the key I think. So we should expect more of these motions.
Orbán hopes to consolidate his occupation of Jobbik territory. So what Jobbik does is propose a succession of patriotic amendments, ideally ones that would have no substantive impact but that Fidesz will reject, and then when the election comes around, Vona can say:
“Oh, if Orbán is such the patriot he now pretends to be. Why did Fidesz utterly reject this, this, this, this and this?ˇ”
By the way did you get my email sent the other day?
@Bobs…: Fair points, to be honest I’d only caught this ‘story’ here and not noticed it in the Hungarian press (and can’t be bothered checking on who reported it and how widely).
Never got the email, so try centralbudapest kukac gmail pont com
Also, if you use to using Google Wave that may be an easier way to manage groups, multimedia and documents (it has a built in history playback function). More than that it has a Java API, so I can play around.
“Jobbik is initiating an amendment of the Constitution in order to bring back the 1920-1945 national flag featuring the royal crown and coat of arms”
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Yes, keep on dismantling the legacy of Kossuth and the 1848-49 Uprising
As Law would claim – They were only a bunch of FreeMasons anyway
@ Law
I suggest you read Vandolo’s comments again
@olga
Here you go:
http://www.worldbulletin.net/news_detail.php?id=61367
@ Bob
Thank you.
I like the idea of having the Royal Flag and Coat of Arms reintroduced onto the Hungarian Flag. Shows respect to Hungarian history.
I don’t like the introduction of the Hungarian Prayer to the schools; this would lead to people not wanting to integrate into Hungarian society.
For a country to be strong, you have to want people to feel a part of it and love for it…you won’t get that by excluding.
My own preference is for the simple revolutionary flag of ’56 a plain Kossuth cimer with no crown.
http://img347.imageshack.us/i/img56storiestq6.jpg/
There’s no problem with being a royal flag or being a monarchist, for that manner. But when you no longer have a monarchy…
Well, I don’t want people to confuse the Hungarian flag with that of Slovakia
For what it’s worth, I’m with Bob’s suggestion @5:49
PM. It’s silly for a Republic to have royal baubles
on its flag. But the plain tricolor not only is a
bit dull but can be confused with those of other
countries
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Hungary#Simila
r_flags), especially Italy. Finally, it would really
irritate the sort of a-hole traitor lefties I like
to see irritated without otherwise causing too much
grief. So count me in.
Erik@ Italy?? Jesus only an idiot (American) could confuse horizontal with vertical.:)
Only two other countries to my knowledge use these colours in an horizontal combination-the proud brave countries of Bulgaria and Iran.Both with great heritage and cultures,just like Hungary.
What does it matter if Hungary no longer has a monarchy?
The point is…we DID and by dropping the crown, you’re essentially dismissing over a 1000 years of history. The Royal Crown and Coat of Arms represent together and not individually, Magyarmegmaradas.
Besides, King Victor has other ideas.
“silly for a Republic to have royal baubles
on its flag. But the plain tricolor not only is a
bit dull but can be confused with those of other
countries ”
Erik at July 27, 2010 8:21 PM
I got a better idea Erik, why not just glue a picture of a fresh paprika right in the middle of the Hungarian flag?
That’s distinctly Hungarian…no?
Or better yet, why don’t we embroider a Gulyas Leves recipe in the middle…hell, Hungarians are World famous for our embroidery…right?
Why leave anything for the Hungarian people to feel pride in?
how about hungary does an pledge of allegiance like Israel? i pledge allegiance for all except muslims, Christians, and children of illgeal immigrants who are deported?
if israel can have this why not Hungary?
@ vv,
Maybe because, wort’s and all, Hungary is…civilized…:)
@ justasking
Re: ” I don’t like the introduction of the Hungarian Prayer to the schools; this would lead to people not wanting to integrate into Hungarian society.
For a country to be strong, you have to want people to feel a part of it and love for it…you won’t get that by excluding.”
I agree with you 100% – having said that were you exhausted from too much polka dancing when you posted that?
Where exactly did you get the idea that Hungarians want “inclusion”? – Certainly not from this this website. If you discovered an English-speaking Hungarian website originating in Hungary , maybe you could share it?
Can you think of a Republic that has a crown on it? The most recent crown would respresent the Hapbsburgs and Hungarian were treated like 2nd class citizens since 1848 (info from those main-stream history books I was taught)
I vote for Bob’s idea – not that I have the vote, but since we’re into inclusion…
@Ricsi: “Only two other countries to my knowledge use these colours in an horizontal combination-the proud brave countries of Bulgaria and Iran.” So are you leaving out Tajikistan because it is not a “proud brave” country, or because you’re even dumber than an American? (The link showing all the similar flags was in my comment.)
I think I found the official new flag. Actually there are two versions, you pick which one you prefer:
http://szabad.info/Flags/
@Olga,
Ha! Ha! Exhausted from Polka dancing…nope, no dancing today
Look, I said “for a country to be strong…”and where did I get that idea, from friends and family who live in Hungary.
Contrary to popular belief, not all Hungarians are drunk before 9:00am, work hard and don’t mind immigrants and minorities who work hard as well.
When you get an imbalance and start wrongly accusing people of being fascist, racists… when they are effected by this imbalance and start to complain…etc…you start seeing MG group types popping up.
This website does not represent the average Hungarian because the average Hungarian does not have a laptop and if they do, they don’t have the time to post, for they are living hand to mouth.
What do I think of the ‘Republic’ part of the Republic of Hungary…get rid of it…how bloody communist is that?
Go back to calling it plain ole’ Hungary, get back the Crown and Coat of Arms back onto the flag…get rid of everybody who are now in Parliament…clean house completely and start again.
Put into Parliament, people who want to grab Hungary by the balls and pull her into the 21 century…kicking and fucking screaming!!
As I said to you before, meet me in Hungary this Spring and I’ll introduce you to some ‘real Hungarians’ who will be brutally honest and talk with you…yes, from all sides of the political spectrum.
Any other questions?
@justasking
Re: “any other questions? ”
yeah, just give me the dates when you will be around – 6 weeks notice will do
Hi Law,
Still promoting Christianity at the expense of national unity?
Ah, I understand, only Christians can be Hungarians …
I think I saw you in a Museum of National History, in the dinosaur section …
@Olga,
If your talking about when we’ll be in Hungary next year…usual…mid May-through June.
@ justasking
Sounds great – so what are the odds the flag issue will be settled by May?
@Olga,
I don’t know…I doubt it.
Anyway, you ask for some other sites on Hungary,
bbj.hu Budapest Business Journal-although, I don’t think you can post comments
budapesttimes.hu-here you can post comments…similar to our CBC site or MacLean’s Magazine…
Again, both site geared towards the expat community…
Your stuck with having to talk to the locals directly and as I told you before.
I have no issue at all, striking up a conversation with complete strangers such as a waiter/waitress. As a matter of fact, I/we did so on our entire trip this Spring.
When they had a minute (we would usually go at quieter times to restaurants), Dad and I would introduce ourselves, telling them we’re from Canada, when Dad/my parents came out etc. We’d ask them their opinions on what’s happening in Hungary, election results, their hopes etc.
You know, tell us what it’s really like from their point of view.
They would answer our questions and I was surprised how much they wanted to know about when Dad/my parents had left, what he/they experienced etc.
Sometimes, Dad and I would be talking English in stores, IE book stores or flower shops, we would turn to the clerks and start talking to them in Hungarian, conversations stemmed from that. Next thing you know, 1/2 hour-1 hour later were leaving.
As I said, ‘the average Hungarian’ on this site, is as illusive the City run Snow Removal Dept in my fair city, especially after a particularly heavy dump of snow.
@ justasking
“the average Hungarian’ on this site, is as illusive the City run Snow Removal Dept in my fair city, especially after a particularly heavy dump of snow.”
Hey, that’s the best news I could hope for:
I have met average Hungarians and engaged them in conversation but I was always in a position of the “official translator” which does not make the conversation flow.
Never talked about politics since I not interested in that until September 2009 and we have not been in Hungary since 2008
Unless you assured me that “real Hungarians” can discuss different views in politics, religion and other contentious issues without going nuts, I would just stick to safe subjects like Hungarian wine.
What I would avoid at all cost is discussing topics that result in yelling, screaming, name calling and temper tantrums when there is difference of opinions.
@Olga,
Oh, and minus vulgar name calling…that does not happen at all.
“What I would avoid at all cost is discussing topics that result in yelling, screaming, name calling and temper tantrums when there is difference of opinions.”
Olga at July 28, 2010 6:52 AM
Christ girl…that’s a pretty tall order… for that usually is the ‘Hungarian way’…except… at the end of it, you know not to take it personally.
Regarding ‘safe subjects’, you know that they’re are no such things…right?
Look, there is a big difference in asking a persons opinion and wanting to change a persons opinion.
Regarding the interpretation job, just do what I do and leave them at home.:D
I told you that I would introduce you to ‘average Hungarians’, they might say things that you don’t want to hear and maybe not…who knows?
When I personally, start to hear an opinion that I find far away from mine, I just nod and smile…I hate confrontation…it’s exhausting…
will avoid it…but, won’t run from it.
Unlike some people on this site at times, my friends and family are not a pack of wolves who attack unnecessarily and unjustly…
If anything, we will be having some pretty good traditional meals, washed down by Palinka and Hungarian Wine…tell me that won’t be fun?
@ justasking
Your family sounds great and yes, it will be fun.
I am sure my life would have been different if we had relatives in Hungary
I wonder if the flag issues will just go away or if there will be a change – still waiting to hear about Oszkar Molnar’s libel suit and if the police found any explosives on that farm last Saturday.
I’ll check out those other Hungarian website you posted.
So what Jobbik does is propose a succession of patriotic amendments, ideally ones that would have no substantive impact but that Fidesz will reject, and then when the election comes around, Vona can say:
“Oh, if Orbán is such the patriot he now pretends to be. Why did Fidesz utterly reject this, this, this, this and this?ˇ”
bobscountrybunker at July 27, 2010 1:45 PM
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Exactly, because this is the normal extreme right wing tactic, so here we have some more suggestions that will ‘benefit the development of Hungary, but be rejected by Fidesz’:
* Introduce the death penalty, preferable in public
* Introduce public flogging of ‘petty criminals’
* Forced sterilization of ‘sub-Magyar elements’
* Give Local Governments the right to refuse people on welfare to live inside the village/city borders
* Give Local Governments the right to refuse people convicted for ‘petty crimes’ to live inside the village/city borders
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I think you can come up with a bunch of more suggestions, that Vona, if he still will be around 4 years later, can state proudly:
“Oh, if Orbán is such the patriot he now pretends to be. Why did Fidesz utterly reject this, this, this, this and this?ˇ”
Exactly, because this is the normal extreme right wing tactic
Viking at July 28, 2010 5:25 PM .
Erik@ Actually I did not realise Tajikistan also had horizontal stripes,so thanks!I am sure they are also a proud people-just not figuring on an Isrhell/US attack list yet.
As for your links,I never look at them .
Still only an idiot could mistake Italy for Hungary but you obviously know that very well!
@Ricsi who wrote: “…only an idiot (American)
could confuse horizontal with vertical.:)”
Gee, cause no one ever hangs flags
sideways/vertically…
http://ysdn10.com/wp-
content/uploads/2010/03/Corso-Italia-Fiesta.jpg
…the proud brave countries of [Bulgaria] and
Iran.”
REALLY. IRAN. REALLY.
Actually this is a better link:
http://www.featurepics.com/FI/Thumb300/20061125/Ital
ian-Flag-147553.jpg
You get the idea…
what evidence to you have to substantiate this?
bobscountrybunker at July 28, 2010 5:57 PM
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None that you will agree upon anyway, but quoting yourself:
….
So what Jobbik does is propose a succession of patriotic amendments, ideally ones that would have no substantive impact but that Fidesz will reject, and then when the election comes around, Vona can say:
“Oh, if Orbán is such the patriot he now pretends to be. Why did Fidesz utterly reject this, this, this, this and this?ˇ”
bobscountrybunker at July 27, 2010 1:45 PM
….
I expect you will now start a debate about if
“Jobbik”
equals
“extreme right wing”
For me and a few others, it does
And we see that tactic in other countries also, by similar minded people like your “Jobbik”
–
I could of course ask what kind of ‘evidence’ you have for “Jobbik” proposing “patriotic amendments”
Is the “patriotic” not just your evaluation and not a hard “fact” or even “evidence”?
But that would be a rather boring ‘debate’
what evidence to you have to substantiate this?
bobscountrybunker at July 28, 2010 5:57 PM
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None that you will agree upon anyway
Viking at July 28, 2010 11:59 PM
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So in other words no. No you don’t.
Self-evidently we share different conception of the rules of debate. I think that absurd suggestions like claiming people want public flogging (WTF?), should be substantiated somehow.
And so I ask you to, but you cannot. Because you clearly do not think this is how debate works. To you it is simply enough for you to make such claims for them to be true.
That’s why these exchanges between us are pointless.
I think that absurd suggestions like claiming people want public flogging (WTF?), should be substantiated somehow
bobscountrybunker at July 29, 2010 12:49 AM
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Like claiming that:
“Jobbik is initiating an amendment of the Constitution in order to bring back the 1920-1945 national flag featuring the royal crown and coat of arms”
(from the article above)
is:
“patriotic amendments”
(bobscountrybunker at July 27, 2010 1:45 PM)?
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Where is your “substantiated” ‘evidence’ for that?
You are clearly claiming that, but that is not the point, because you are always demanding that everyone else ‘prove’ their claims
If you read what I written I never claimed that “Jobbik” wanted public flogging, I just had
“some more suggestions that will ‘benefit the development of Hungary, but be rejected by Fidesz’”
And that is a big difference, at least for normal people
As usual you are running around in circles, barking up some different small trees, trying to take attention away from your failure to ‘prove’ that “Jobbik”‘s proposals are “patriotic”
“”
I think that absurd suggestions like claiming people want public flogging (WTF?), should be substantiated somehow
bobscountrybunker at July 29, 2010 12:49 AM
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Like claiming that:…
Viking at July 29, 2010 8:26 AM
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Now you are just shifting your ground.
When I ask you to prove your assertion, what you do instead of proving it, is ask me to prove mine.
Fine
But you pretend as if the act of asking me about mine proves yours.
It doesn’t.
Using a particular adjectiove, “patriotic,” about a flag is one thing. Implying things about:
“*Introduce public flogging of ‘petty criminals’
*Forced sterilization of ‘sub-Magyar elements’”
Is quite another.
Where is your evidence please?
For any of your absurd assertions.
We are still waiting.
Where is your evidence please?
For any of your absurd assertions.
We are still waiting.
bobscountrybunker at July 29, 2010 11:46 AM
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And I am waiting for you to ‘prove’ that I have made any “assertions” that “Jobbik” would claim what I suggested to them
Since when was suggesting something the same as
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“I think that absurd suggestions like claiming people want public flogging (WTF?), should be substantiated somehow
bobscountrybunker at July 29, 2010 12:49 AM”
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You cannot
If “Jobbik” would be claiming these things, it would hardly be worth suggesting those thing to them, right?
Did I claim “Jobbik” has claimed to be behind any of these ideas? No, but my suggestions shows the idiocy of your statement:
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“So what Jobbik does is propose a succession of patriotic amendments, ideally ones that would have no substantive impact but that Fidesz will reject, and then when the election comes around, Vona can say:
“Oh, if Orbán is such the patriot he now pretends to be. Why did Fidesz utterly reject this, this, this, this and this?”
bobscountrybunker at July 27, 2010 1:45 PM
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If you would ask me if I think there exists people, both members and sympathizers to “Jobbik” that would agree with my suggestions in
Viking at July 28, 2010 5:25 PM?
Of course, just ask Stan, Law and a few others and you will have very positive reactions on many of my suggestions
I just propose to “Jobbik” to put their feet where their voters mouths are, and guaranteed to be rejected by normal Hungary
Viking I’m not surprised you been flogged in public for having such selfish self centred view and promoting the lies which are hindering normal people from uniting morally and ethically.
Where is your evidence please?
For any of your absurd assertions.
We are still waiting.
bobscountrybunker at July 29, 2010 11:46 AM
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And I am waiting for you to ‘prove’ that I have made any “assertions”
bobscountrybunker at July 29, 2010 11:46 AM
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Again you change the subject.
Asking me the question I ask you is not answering my question.
Did I claim “Jobbik” has claimed to be behind any of these ideas? No,
Viking at July 29, 2010 12:17 PM
Further such discussion is thus pointless.
Because as i demonstrated at the start, you simply do not believe in the general acceted conventions of public debate, and think yourself able to make them up as you go along.
As I said:
Self-evidently we share different conception of the rules of debate. I think that absurd suggestions like claiming people want public flogging (WTF?), should be substantiated somehow.
And so I ask you to, but you cannot. Because you clearly do not think this is how debate works. To you it is simply enough for you to make such claims for them to be true.
That’s why these exchanges between us are pointless.
bobscountrybunker at July 29, 2010 12:49 AM
Nothing has changed.
Nothing has changed.
bobscountrybunker at July 29, 2010 12:34 PM
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So true
Is it over a year ago when you started hanging out here and in your 3rd or so post you started to claim you would never reply to any of my posts, and tried to convince others to do the same
You still sing the same song
“Nothing has changed”
And you still come back for the beating…
.
And who is now claiming that someone is meaning something more than they have explicitly written?
You normally claim that I am the only one doing that, but now:
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“Trying to imply it, is precisely what you did; and pretending otherwise is just positively childish. It is the infantilism of the school yard”
bobscountrybunker at July 29, 2010 12:32 PM
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Can I reuse that statement when I ‘interpret’ yours and Ricsi’s scribble?
Or do you have a copyright on that statement?
Is it over a year ago when you started hanging out here and in your 3rd or so post you started to claim you would never reply to any of my posts, and tried to convince others to do the same
You still sing the same song
“Nothing has changed”
And you still come back for the beating…
Viking at July 29, 2010 12:43 PM
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Just a small point. A refusal to obey the simple rules of debate, generally preclude the ability to win a debate.
Nevertheless you just continue as you do, by thinking that chaning the subject, as you do yet again above, is answering the question.
And having thoroughly convinced everyone (this is why I persist, because of what it shows about you dumbass, by doing so you ridicule every single position you come here and maintain) that you are incapable of sticking to such simple conventions, you brandish the unqillingness of the other party to continue wasting their time, as if it was a victory!
You must sorely be in nedd of some sort of victory in your sad little life, if this is what you have to sink to, to convince yourself that you’ve achieved one…
@bob:
Jobbik has not (yet) advocated the death penalty etc – but many Jobbik fans here have done so – and I’ve never heard a word from you against it …
Just a few quotes:
You crawl back in the sewer you crawled out of, you lowlife trash.
Mongoloid mutt.. bloodsucker you toxic freak. you parasite scum
Any quasi-Semitic criminal mob will apparently do for Volga Olga.
Pávaszem at June 30, 2010 1:25 PM
I can’t find the one quote from pavian about “string them up the next lamppost”, but I’ve seen it here …
Viking:
You know what would be fun to see?
You, hanged and quartered.
Common Sense at July 1, 2010 11:26 PM
I didn’t say Israel deserves to be wiped out.
I simply agree with it.
Common Sense at June 8, 2010 12:25 AM
Gay Slota will have Slovakia bombed into the 18th century if he doesn’t watch himself….
Slota Sie Homosexuell Schwein, ist die Slowakei ein kleines Land, bereit, bombardiert werden ….
Gandi at June 10, 2010 4:17 AM
As for Law’s ranting – we don’t have to discuss those. If he made them personally in public, he’d go to jail really soon – in any civilised country …
So these are your friends ?
Bob,
I have never seen you let the laws of logic get in the way of an online brawl.
You need to practice what you preach.
Lot of attitude, not much substance.
What don’t you get offline and try to find a life?
Au revoir …
Ah and so the reinforcements arrive.
Jobbik has not (yet) advocated the death penalty etc – but many Jobbik fans here have done so – and I’ve never heard a word from you against it
wolfi at July 29, 2010 1:34 PM
Bob,
I have never seen you let the laws of logic get in the way of an online brawl.
You need to practice what you preach.
Lot of attitude, not much substance.
American in Paris and Budapest at July 29, 2010 1:35 PM
The death penalty for say a sexual child murderer convicted by DNA isn’t to my mind a bad thing. It’s far more crazy keeping such a creature alive in jail at the public expense
bobscountrybunker at July 29, 2010 1:57 PM
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A sobering thought given that you (still?) argue that:
“And completely omits any mention of the fatal attacks in Olaszliszka, Kiskunlacháza and Veszprém
bobscountrybunker at May 27, 2010 3:54 PM”
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http://www.politics.hu/20100527/antiroma-attacks-continued-in-hungary-says-ai-2009-report
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* Kiskunlacháza Monday, November 24, 2008, the first reports appeared in the Hungarian media about the murder of a fourteen-year-old girl named Nóra in the village of Kiskunlacháza in Pest County
This murder was blamed on local Roma by the local Mayor, but the Police could during 2009 arrest and charged a local non-Roma with not so few forensic evidence
This has not stopped the local Mayor and Jobbik and ‘bob’ to keep up this murder as a ‘gypsycrime’ then hatred does not know reason
.
Now ‘bob’ added “convicted by DNA”, but on “May 27, 2010 3:54 PM” Kiskunlacháza was still an example of “gypsycrime”, even long *after* the most likely perpetrator had been arrested, with a lot of evidence (obviously he collected “trophies”). Of course there was also a lot of DNA and other technical evidence
But ‘bob’ and his kind always knows best and who is a criminal and who is not
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And no, this post has nothing to to with this thread, it is about what normal people call ‘hypocrisy
And no, this post has nothing to to with this thread, it is about what normal people call ‘hypocrisy
Viking at July 29, 2010 3:13 PM
@Wolfi,
)
I’m trying to figure out the point you are trying to make in your post…
You attached quotes from various people, quotes that have nothing to do with Capital Punishment, nor, does it give the reader an inkling if these authors indeed support Capital Punishment?
I also missed the point about them being Bobs friends…?
As for Pava being a Jobbik supporter, according to you maybe; but, I have yet to ‘hear’ him say so himself. You just assume, cause you love him so much.
So, my advise to you (and we both know how you will of course take it)…next time you want to enter into a conversation to feel apart of something…may I suggest just saying;
“Yeah, yeah…what he just said”…Oh, and don’t forget to attach the persons name whom you are supporting.
It would make you look less simple…well…maybe not
Yes indeed, your posts here are quite an object lesson in hypocrisy!
bobscountrybunker at July 29, 2010 3:21 PM
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We all have much to learn from your kind, the Masters Of Hypocrisy
Just take this to one week call it racism that the Hungarian State supports theaters in one of biggest minority languages in Hungary (German), to the next week launch a representative for the same minority as Mayor for Budapest (Staudt)
A person who has been an elected rep since 2002 working for that organization that is paid for by us Hungarian Tax Payers, who cannot influence how our money is spent, they are using
The system with Minority Governments are of course extremely prejudice against majority Hungarians, but that does not seem to bother “Jobbik” and their supporters
Double standards when it is needed, no problem for your kind, oh Masters Of Hypocrisy
I think the rest of us really need to up our skills in hypocrisy to reach your super-human levels
@ Viking,
We’re all hypocrites on some level, and he who thinks other wise…….:D
@justasking:
From the mouth of pava:
It’s good to have Zsuzsa, You, Common Sense, et al. around in this snake pit. I just wish Elle, Sophie and Tünde were still here too…
Just connect this with those quotes – the you should understand, what I think about this whole bunch of fascists …
@Wolfi,
)
But that is my point…you don’t think
@justasking:
From a “friend” of Law, elle and common sense – I consider this a real compliment …
“what I think about this whole bunch of fascists …”
Who are they, and what do you think about them?
Tell us more.
@ Viking,
We’re all hypocrites on some level, and he who thinks other wise…….:D
justasking at July 29, 2010 4:44 PM
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Hhmm, playing Mother Bear to save ‘bob’, who like one of the cubs got entangled in a net, but of illogical assertions?
who like one of the cubs got entangled in a net
Viking at July 29, 2010 8:48 PM
Hey this is all very topical — look what happened
to “mother bear” today:
http://travel.usatoday.com/destinations/dispatches/p
ost/2010/07/bear-attck-campers-grizzlies-
montana/101635/1
Here’s a more recent link, more relevant to
Hungarian Politics (in English):
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-
way/2010/07/29/128845810/grizzly-bear-suspected-in-
fatal-yellowstone-attack-captured
@Viking,
) But if Bob wants to call me ‘Mummy’…:DD
“Hhmm, playing Mother Bear to save ‘bob’, who like one of the cubs got entangled in a net, but of illogical assertions?”
Viking at July 29, 2010 8:48 PM
No actually, I was talking about myself
Christ folks, I’m joking…sheesh!
@Bystander,
Oh my sides, you are so funny Jelly Man…
Now is not the time for a change in the flag or a controversial issue like neither religion nor talking smack about multi-nationals. The world is an economic crisis. I would assume that these Jobbik people work for living and are aware of the current global economic situation? I am correct to assume? It time to make Hungary mean and lean so we are ready to go when economic factors turn positive and we can go beg multi’s to set up shop. Come on!