Fidesz is likely to win about 60% of the 424 county council seats available at the local elections, according to the Policy Agenda institute.
The analysis sees the Socialists taking 18% of seats, Jobbik 17% and Politics Can Be Different 4%.
Fidesz will be able to gain majority in all but four county councils where its most serious challenger will be Jobbik.
In Budapest Fidesz mayoral candidate István Tarlós has the greatest chance of winning but it is doubtful whether Fidesz will win an outright majority on city council.
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As i said olga, jobbik is a serious contender
@ Laszlo Kovacs
Nice “hearing from you” – we have something in common as we are both getting a chance to vote in October 2010
Toronto is heading for its Municipal Election which also includes the election of a new Mayor but it’s a non-party race. I will be volunteering for one candidate’s campaign a couple of nights per week – I missed not being involved in politics and this election is easy because I don’t have to feel obligated to vote for “my Liberal party” since from my perspective, they are in the dog house at the moment.
Anyway, the Hungarian polls are interesting and I think they were pretty accurate the last time; I gather you still support JOBBIK and you are ok with the latest “Roma Plan” with setting up “criminal zones”
If I lived in Hungary, I finally decided that it would be the LMP getting my support. It’s not going strong at the moment but this would be a perfect time for me to get involved plus there would be no need to vote strategically in October given that FIDESZ will win.
I noticed the Two Tailed Dog Party is led by a “Kovacs” (I know it’s one of the most common Hungarian names so not much chance you are related ) I think those parties can be fun to show the electorate that at the end of the day, politics is a really ridiculous game and it’s all about trying to find the least offensive party and/or politician.
“Lets talk” after Hungarian election and see how accurate the polls were leading up to the big day
@olga
Nice hearing from you to. As far as the Lmp go, its just another SZDSZ (crooks, Socialist ext.) And yes you guessed right, I am for the roma camps. They are a problem in hungarian sociaty and if fidesz wishes to ignore it than I will just have to wait for 2014 (; lol. But yes I cant wait for the Elections and my prediction is- Fidesz 58% Jobbik 19% Socialist 16% and Lmp 4%
@ Laszlo K
Jaj Istenem, nem a “Roma camps”
Honestly, I don’t know how anyone can expect the Roma kids to turn out differently if there is no compulsory school attendance – not sure how they are supposed to learn how to become responsible citizens with no education and no law abiding parents to guide them. Someone ought to teach them that stealing the neighbours’ chickens is not the normal way to “buy groceries”
I guess if I lived in Hungary, we might meet while you were handing out JOBBIK brochures and I would be handing out LMP ones.
There are not much choices for supporting a political party if I didn’t want to vote FIDESZ, JOBBIK or “Communist” – slim pickings unless you can tell me about a new party I haven’t hear of.
Luckily I don’t smoke so no one could steal my cigarettes and I wouldn’t have my cell phone with me – wouldn’t want to end up as the FIDESZ “activists” – honestly talking about a non-event!
(I hope you know the story I am referring to.)
@olga
The Roma camps are needed due to the rise in there population. Oh and what is your prediction on october 3rd. Just to let you know mine is Fidesz-58% Jobbik-19% Socialist-16% and LMP-4% But yes i would be handing out jobbik brochures and im sure you would be handing out LMP ones. But yes i do understand what you mean about the fidesz activist and as far as lectureing the roma. It will not work. They need to be handled by jobbik which they will in 2014
The Roma camps are needed due to the rise in there population
Laszlo kovasc at September 3, 2010 6:21 PM
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But why should our Tax Money be spent on keeping people in camps, where they will just eat and breed?
There must be some Final Solution to this…?
What about manufacture some pet food, and export it.
@ Laszlo Kovacs:
(it is Kovacs and the “Kovasc is a typo, right? I don’t want to misspell your name)
Re: “The Roma camps are needed due to the rise in there population. “
What the Roma has in common with the rest of the Western world’s poverty stricken,
uneducated , disenfranchised people is that they multiply like rabbits. The people who can least afford many kids are the once who have them.
I haven’t seen any great strides made in Canada and the US for solving the exact same problems with their own “Roma” ( same scene , just a melting pot of different races and nationalities) but so far, no one in their right mind suggested “segregation” That sounds reprehensible and reminiscent of something Hitler would champion.
I know better than “predict” your October election – I will leave that up to the Hungarians like you assuming you have the vote. However, I would like to see JOBBK at 5% Socialist 5% 45 % to FIDESZ and 45% to LMP.
Odds of this happening this October is about the same as the Hungarian borders going back to Pre-Trianon days – Sajnos eggyik sem fog tortenni, nor will I know how spell words correctly in the Hungarian language any time soon
However, if JOBBIK went down a by few percent and those votes were divided between LMP and FIDESZ, it would be a good start.
BTW, when JOBBIK becomes a party of inclusion and gets rid of any connection to a paramilitary organization, please let me know and I’ll help out with those brochures.
@olga
Well im sorry to inform you but the LMP-45% well happen the day that hungarians are out numbered by the roma. And I wouldent be so suprised if Hungary would pursue to try and take back the pre-trianon land. But first is first. get rid of the EU. But yes these camps might echo 1939 but i assure you that these camps are for those who wont work aka. gypsies. And the magyar garda are just concerned citizens who feel obligated to help hungary. Im sure your not going to be supprised but I am currently involved in the magyar garda
“Kovasc” (can’t possibly be spelled right, can it?)
wrote: “But yes these camps might echo 1939 but i
assure you that these camps are for those who wont
work aka. gypsies.”
YOU. ARE. AWESOME. ‘SURE, they echo 1939, but hey,
sue me!’
“Im sure your not going to be supprised but I am
currently involved in the magyar garda”
I find that to be a complete SHOCK. I was told that
the Garda was *against* putting people in camps
against their will! Hmm, makes ya *think*, don’t
it?!
We at the garda support jobbik
We at the garda support jobbik
Laszlo kovasc at September 3, 2010 8:38 PM
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Which faction of “Jobbik”?
The Barikad-faction or kuruc-faction?
@ Laszlo Kovacs
I am not exactly shocked you are a member of the MG but compared to people like LHVJ and Law you certainly appear to be the kind person who can discuss opposing views without a need for anger management classes and a fire hose to put out the smoke coming from your nostrils.
So, at JOBBIK / MG meetings, what are the plans for the criminals who are “Tiszta Magyar” – do they get segregated along with their families or do they just go to prison and serve time for the crimes they commit?
About the pre-Trianon Borders – I wish Hungary could get those areas back too as Treaty was grossly unfair but I can’t see how it could possibly happen
How does JOBBIK tell its members that one day they will reclaim the land – Negotiations? Law suits? War? Surely someone somewhere asked how they plan to do it
You believe them so you must understand the logistics
@olga
Well thank you about the temper thing and yes i really dont have a bad temper and I love to discuss politics. Our plans are that we will permantly uproot entire families and send them to the camps for the sack of Hungary. ANd the plans about Trianon is not our biggest concern but we would like to negotiate the land back if possible and if we cant we will think about resorting to war. But yes I enjoy the MG and its beliefs. You know, not all MG members are neo-nazis or facists
@ Laszlo Kovacs
Good to know you can discuss JOBBIK without sounding like a Mel Gibson tape if I disagree with you
I am still not clear about uprooting families; you know the former MG who slashed his girl-friend to death and carved a Nazi symbol on her? No one thinks his family should be punished for his crime so how is a Roma murderer’s crime different?
What’s confusing is that Hungary is making negative International headlines again about the Roma situation while the media is not making it clear that JOBBIK is a minority party with no real power. Vona is not Sarkozy and he can talk and threaten all he wants but unless Hungary elects him and gives him a majority, the Roma are not going to be put into ghettos.
I am sure there are some really good people in the MG – however no matter how you look at it, it’s an illegal organization. I don’t know of another Democratic country where a para- military organization is attached to one particular political party, nor do I know a party in Democratic country that openly supports illegal activities If you know a similar situation, please let me know
I am not arguing the point that you may be a really good person, but this is not about “a few good men” it’s about the reputation of a Democratic country and Vona is making a mockery of it, and that’s why some of the moderate people must be leaving.
Concerning the Trianon Borders – if the plan is to Negotiate peacefully then it sounds like an excellent idea.
Well as I see it that man was very sick, I never met him but im sure he was very sick. Liek I said not all MG member s are neo nazis or facists but dont worry about JOBBIK or Vona, the worrying about them beigins in 2014 (; lol. but yes I agree that Hungaryis the only county i KNow of in which a paramilitary is linke to a political party. And as far a Trianon goes we hope that peaceful negotiations will work out in everyones benifit but I did have the pleasure of talking to Mr.Vona and like me he is verysure about 2014 elections. He as a very nice man once you get to know him. If you are wondering how i met him it ws at a jobbik rally in Dunzkeszi.
Our plans are that we will permantly uproot entire families and send them to the camps for the sack of Hungary. ANd the plans about Trianon is not our biggest concern but we would like to negotiate the land back if possible and if we cant we will think about resorting to war. But yes I enjoy the MG and its beliefs. You know, not all MG members are neo-nazis or facists
Laszlo kovasc at September 3, 2010 11:29 PM
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“we will permantly uproot entire families” is quite an advanced linguistic construction. Particularly the word, “uproot” which has no conceptual equivalent in Hungarian. Why not “move,” or “exclude” etc. And yet “permanently” is misspelled?
“ANd the plans about Trianon is not our biggest concern but we would like to negotiate the land back if possible and if we cant we will think about resorting to war.”
So here we have, “ANd” and “about” Trianon, rather than the more suitable “concerning.” And yet “biggest concern” rather than “biggest problem.” “Negotiate the land back if possible” and again the rare, but high standard correct English verb “resorting” to war.
You know people, there was a time when the agents provocateur on Politics.hu were quite crude. When people whose English was clearly a lot better than they pretended, rather clumsily attempted to seem like Hungarians with poor English, in order to deliberately mislead an international leadership about “our plans.”
But this? This was MUCH more subtle.
Goodbye. See you next time.
Oh, and by the way, the Hungarian for fascist is “fasiszta,” no “c” in it, you see? So an actual Hungarian committing a real, not faux, spelling mistake in English would not misspell fascist as “facist,” uh-uh.
Let alone be ignorant of how to spell that word properly, and yet write neo-Nazi hyphenated, when it isn’t that way in Hungarian.
And no way in hell would anyone with this ability at grammar, write “sack” instead of “sake” when the modifying “e” is one of the very first things anyone learns in English pronunciation.
Very nice try though…
Mazel tov.
@detector alias bob:
Getting nervous ?
@Wolfi,
If you’re going to ride Bobs ass…at least have the decency to pull his hair!
You don’t get that do you?
Okay…try this…Listen to what Cin said to you on the other thread about cutting Bobs some slack. Also, try listening to what he (Bob’s)doesn’t say.
@agent provocateur detector: Great post(s). And I’d agree on all, with just one quibble. Hungarian does also have something similar to ‘uproot’ e.g. “gyökerestül kitépi a bûnöket”, though this sometimes approaches ‘eradicate’ and ‘root-out’. But, yes getting ‘uproot’ right is such a give away. The ‘up’ in particular, as Hungarians would be more inclined to ‘out’ (the preposition ‘fel’ as in feltépni meaning something different).
I was thinking the reverse yesterday about the headline of this article http://www.politics.hu/20100903/lmp-condemns-jobbiks-ghetto-proposal-urges-root-treatment-of-poverty
What the translator should have said was “fundamental approach to tackling”, not that people need “root treatment” (Or if that is too long for headline register then ‘surgical approach’ – though the connotations in the current political climate would be scary). If you search on Google you will see the collocation refers to dentistry in all cases apart from this crappy translation.
@ Kovacs Laszlo
Busy day today
This is what I found in a Toronto newspaper, the National Post: ( I got a call this morning asking me “what the hell are you guys doing?”)
I felt like Bystander must feel about the Gaza strip – what am I doing? I know it was kind of a tongue in cheek but it was irritating)
“This week, in the Slovak capital Bratislava, a retired soldier gunned down an entire Roma family in what is being seen as a hate crime, while in Hungary, in a shocking solution echoing that of the Nazis, the far-right Jobbik party wants to intern Roma in re-education camps, possibly forever.”
Read more: http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2010/09/03/europes-roma-are-ignored-at-home-scapegoated-abroad/#ixzz0yZ641qQQ
@olga
Yes as I said these camps arent just to keep civilians safe. Its also to keep the Roma safe. Due to the fact the Europeans in general and Roma just cant get along. I am very hopeful that these will be put into affect
@ Laszlo Kovacs
My parents didn’t talk very much about their experiences with either WWII or the Communist era and the only people honoured every October by reminiscing were the Freedom Fighter of 1956 – I knew very little about Rakosi except that he was evil but I knew a lot about Imre Nagy – maybe they only wanted me to see “the good” but it doesn’t really matter at this point in my life.
My understanding of what the Freedom Fighters wanted is what “The West” had – Democracy and take a look at what “The West” thinks about Hungary. I am curious – do you care how the Western worldviews Hungary or it matters not?
About the murder of Roma in Bratislava -he was a lone lunatic and the MG criminal was no different than any other psychopath who killed his girlfriend. However, if both those men were Roma they would not be dismissed as psychopath they would they be held up as an example “Roma crime”
BTW, Poland, Croatia and the Czech republic are constantly getting positive press for various reasons, especially Poland – kind of pissing me off, but then again the two countries that I care about are Canada and Hungary and I do want them to be respected in the Democratic Western World.
Men are obsessed with their own sports teams winning World Cups or whatever the various cups are called because of national pride so it’s the same feelings for me. Go figure
Hi Olga,
If you would like to read something that would help throw more light on that dark period, in english, you can read the ironically titled “Thirteen Days That Shook the Kremlin”(1959) by noted author Tibor Méray. You can read his book online at:
http://www.archive.org/details/thirteendaysthat007503mbp
It originally appeared in Hungarian as “Tisztító Vihar” (The Cleansing Storm), co-written by Tamás Aczél. They spend a lot of time explaining the events and conditions that led up to the uprising.
More Hungarian language stuff if you want to talk about it, relating to that “úriember” discussion.
Olga. You care about Hungary. You say so. The rest of us don’t believe it.
Prove to us in some tangible fashion what your input to the improvement of this country has been over the last five years.
One minute you are asking questions, the next you are lecturing everyone on just how to be a sensible citizen. Love thy neighbor, and all that stuff – especially gypsies.
BTW. Are you one? A gypo, I mean??
Wolfi is chomping at the bit with the usual refrain: racist jobbo.
What a useless twat he is…
@ Farkas Laszlo and Rachel Takacs
FL:
Thank you for those links – will check them out.
While looking for something else about 1956, I recently found a link to what the Freedom Fighters wanted from the government – I’ve never seen it before in “point form”
Rachel Takacs
I have no problems answering your question as soon as I understand the meaning of “The rest of us don’t believe it.”
Who exactly are “the rest”
Am I a “gypo” ? – Yes, depending on the identity of the poster (they may be the people you call “the rest of us”)
Some days I go from being a whore (share the title with JA) to being Jewish to being “gypo” and on good days I get accolades for being Satan
What about you, where do you fit into the big picture?
Well Im just getting excited to see Jobbik Overtake the socialist on October 3rd.