With its thumping super-parliamentary majority and seeming desire to control everything in Hungary, it was only a matter of time before the new government turned the screws on the nation’s intellectual life. And this is exactly what seems to be happening over at the Hungarian Academy of Sciences, where the recently-installed head has just sent the country’s most famous intellectual – philosopher Gáspár Miklós Tamás – to retirement.
According to nol.hu, Tamás (who is so famous he is almost universally known in Hungary as “TGM”) was officially dismissed because he lacks some necessary credentials, including a degree an a language exam – this despite the fact that he speaks at least four languages at an advanced level (and publishes in German and French!) and is a regular lecturer at American and French universities. Meanwhile, because TGM was also apparently forced out of jobs during the Kádár era, he goes into retirement with only a modest pension. But everyone knows it’s because of TGM’s well-known left-wing views. So it must be a scandal, right?
Not!
As readers may recall, for a variety of reasons I find this guy – who in recent years completed a deeply ridiculous and narcissistic “conversion” from liberal to enviro-communist, while still raking in no-doubt juicy honoraria from a variety of public and private sources – to be to be an insufferable über-jackass, a walking symbol of the utter bankruptcy of the whole bearded intellectual-for-hire racket that so plagues this part of the world. You’re a hack, TGM, and there’s no reason you should ever have been on the state payroll, except maybe for the joy of seeing these other known-nothings kicking you off it. B-bye!
Erik,
You miss the point as usual. Democracy and doing things the proper way is not about vendettas or getting even.
Universities and research institutes should be above politics. It doesn’t matter whether you like him or not. It is extremely dangerous to eject individuals from an institute because you don’t like their politics.
I assure you that in the developed world this sort of behavior is conspicuous by its absence.
There is no Hungarian Third way. There is only Hungarian Disaster.
I don’t know the real reasons for his forced retirement, but he will turn 62 this month, I don’t know if it is just that.
He didn’t like communism, but then didn’t like what followed. He doesn’t like multi-nationals dominating the economy, but then doesn’t care for a jobbik style right and it’s economic program either. He is in a policy limbo into which he has backed himself. He is not a politician, economist or businessman, but rather a house intellectual with a background in philosohy, reacting to situations and events. “So where do we go from here and how do we pay the bills?” would be a tough question for him.
For those who have curiosity about “Hungary’s leading intellectual”, here is an interview he gave last April:
http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2010/tamas170410.html
A quote:
“It is increasingly necessary to create a theory that can overcome the perennial temptation of Rousseauian egalitarianism with its ineluctable aporias around the General Will, but which is nevertheless able to offer a normative view of communist society without utopianism.”
Such a style speaks for itself.
@American: This has nothing to do with vendettas or
“getting even.” It’s about a useless charlatan
losing a public subsidy he never should have had in
the first place. Meanwhile, you are on crack if you
think that in “the developed world” universities are
“above politics.”
As best as I can make out, he is a latter day Trotskyist, although I don’t think he dares call himself that.
Trotskyists were the communists who were the losing faction in the development of the Soviet Union. They take comfort and refuge in the argument that communism is actually great, it’s just that it has never been tried! (Present and past communist states were seen as a betrayal of the beautiful ideal!) This is how I think he can believe in so many contradictory ideas: he doesn’t like pre 1989 because that wasn’t the real article; he doesn’t like the current system; he likes Marx but dislikes “communism”; he does likes communism but feels it has never lived up to it’s potential.
Something tells me he will be missing that state support!
What do you mean Eric? US and European universities are totally open to a diverse range of opinions! They are full of so-call intellectuals and, again so-called, educators across the political spectrum, from all the way from ‘left of center’ to the ‘extreme left’.
That is a lie C’est Moi. Zionazis forced out Dr. Norman G. Finkelstein (a man deserving our respect and admiration) from his University position because they did not like his honesty and integrity. He is on the list Zionazis put all the decent Jews on to harass and intimidate:
http://www.masada2000.org/shit-list.html
LHVJ – So, extreme-right websites Kuruc.info & Stormfront have a jewish equivalent. How unusual is that?
my experience of universities is that they are
extremely political places, both in terms of their
own internal politics, but also in their
relationships with wider national politics as
well.
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I’ve never experienced the direct actions from
above to express particular opinions (as have many
of my Chinese colleagues), however, there are many
subtle ways of pressuring people to conform.The
most common of these is renewal of contracts and
awards of research grants.Apart from that, there
is significant pressure placed on researchers and
research students to deal with issues that are not
as controversial, or alternatively, to use
methodology that avoids active statements, or that
recognise the disadvantage of affected groups.
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I spend a ridiculous amount of my time fighting
the institutional culture of universities, but see
it as necessary if there is to be any hope of
producing academics who are anything more than
either the kind of vacuous, verbose, wooly haired
old men like this guy, political puppets common in
China, or the cynical, self-interested and yet
academically incompetent wannabes.
@Tsar: Very well put. And BTW I am sure that TGM
will find a very comfy perch after this, from which
he can rail against the west while enjoying all of
its benefits.
LHVJ: Again, you are using too many words to make your point. Your readers want you to express your true feelings, so don’t clutter your prose with a lot of adverbs, predicates, and unnecessary nouns. I’m providing my (free) editing services to you to try and get your work distilled to its pithy essence.
Zionazis! By LHVJ
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Something like this works far better than your previously submitted prose rumination. Keep at it, LHVJ! You may not be showing any progress, but then, we suspect that you will make a significant breakthrough soon!
It is nice of you to help out but we need to say Zionazi many more times to come close to the number of times Zionazis use the Nazi label for those who are not Nazis and do not like Nazis. Repeating Zionazi repeatedly is good but not very useful without showing what Zionazis do and why Zionazis are no different from yesteryears Nazis.
I hope this helps:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/GazaHolo/index.html
LHVJ: Hear! Hear!
When they hate what you say, then keep on saying it, for you have hit the nail on the head.
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@LHVJ: Look, you have to understand, your comments
are being zapped not because we’re afraid of your
railing against the “zionazis” or whatever, but
because they are boring and repetitive and
pointless, and thus spam. Hold your powder for
stories that actually *do* involve the issue and you
won’t waste your time. But if you just paste in lots
of random stuff into every piece, it’s spam like any
other spam, and will be deleted. Understood?
@ Zionazis! and Elle
Thank you for your in depth analysis – frankly I found it much more interesting than any of Lopott’s postings.
@ Elle
So nice to see you back, hope all is well, and no Israeli war planes have circled your neighbourhood.
I realize you would like a few more of Zionazi’s postings as well , but to spare the rest of us, would you mind printing it and keeping it in your wallet, or post it in your living room to spare the rest of us?
But you will not zap the comment above yours? That’s good spam, is it? Erik, the garbage that fills this blog is more often than not in direct violation of your advice to ‘Hold your powder for
stories that actually *do* involve the issue’. If that is really the ground on which you zap, then you would have zapped close to every post.
@ Elle
The comment above Erik’s is the Executive Summary
of everything that you, Law and LHVJ post
Personally Ilike Executive Summaries – it’s so much easier to get the message in pity sentences than the never ending garbage that Law and Lopott post
BTW, as a Mother when you take your mind of the Middle East, you must be horrified when it comes to the UNICEF figures about the number of kids dying of starvation in Africa. Any idea if the Israelis are taking over the African countries or are they till keeping their eyes strictly on Hungary?
In case you missed LHVJ’s tirade against women and all the filthy misogynistic remarks in Hungarian, do search some threads ; you will find the comments interesting from someone you hold in such high esteem. He even used words my Mom never heard of
On another note, I will be in Hungary next spring so I wonder if I should learn some basic Hebrew to impress the powers to be Thank you for your anticipated help
Olga: FYO the Zionazis… was to illustrate the utter banality of LHVJ (Linus Heaves Venereal Juice) and Elle using the Palestian cause to further their own narrow hatreds. If the Palestians were not in conflict with Israel, and by their faulty extension, the Jewish people, theyb would never care a whit about their fate. They are here because Ricsi sent them here, and when LHVJ starts calling people Zionazis because he percieves people are labeling Hungarians as Nazis, remember that Commisar Ricsi has posted all kinds of genuine Nazi adoring posts on websites and that he handles English communications for the Jobbik High Command.
@Zio-Nutcases
Gotta run – sorry you misunderstood my posting,
I am with you 200 % -
I consider Loppott, Elle and Law the best representatives for hating everything that the “ultra right wing” on this website stand for.
As far as I am concerned they are the “dream team”
for people like me to turn their attention and sympathies to the plights of Jews and Roma in Hungary. They made me wake up from my complacent Canadian sleep
@Erik
I often wondered why you even permit posters who oppose the colonization of Hungary, who despise the Communists and consider Israel present-day equivalent of Nazi Germany. All you would have to do is blacklist a few people and you could all sing the Internationale, call all Hungarians Nazis who want to keep Hungary, their country for themselves and for their children and happily sing the Communist Internationale to your hearts content with no bothersome interference from the likes of yours truly, Law, Ricsi and Elle. What a happy group that could be. It would also be as boring as watching grass grow. The Communist trash, Népszabadság online also has topics with comments but as soon as they find out that a poster is not one, of their comrades that poster is immediately blocked out and all past posts erased. They make their comrades Rakosi and Lendvai proud. You should talk to them and they would be happy to advise you how to keep the troublemakers out. I despise that Communist trash Népszabadság but I have to give them credit for being consistent.
You allow the “right people” to post as much filth and insult the “wrong people” but when some of us try to return the favor, you cry foul and remove my posts. These people called me just about every filthy name imaginable, they talked dirty about my parents, called me a Communist and even called me a Jew. I am a big boy and can give as bad as I get but it is not fair that you leave their filth in while removing my response to them.
Why stop half way Erik? Why don’t you make is a closed list and allow only those who believe that Hungary belongs to everyone but not the Hungarians?
ogre: “He even used words my Mom never heard of”
What you forget to mention is that we learned those words from ribanc who learned that from her “apu”.
It is a sorry report on ribanc that she does not know how to speak Hungarian but she knows filth, sexually explicit filth in Hungarian that I never heard.
@Elle
I almost left out history students. They had to be solid Communists. That is one of the reasons why virtually everything produced by these Communist historians is worthless propaganda. It could not be trusted to anyone.
LHVJ, there is the Lukács School of Philosophy, too. Do you have any background on that? I know from my Mother, who was a Phil. student in Australia, that at some time in the latish ’60s, all members of that School were given a one-way ticket out of Hungary. Three of them ended up in Australian universities. One was Heller Ágnes, now back in Hungary, and there were two others whose names I do not recall. The head of the School, Mészáros, went to a college of the University of London, possibly LSE. All members of that School were, of course, Jewish. (It seems that Gáspár Miklós Tamás is a left-behind.) Mum talks about having been asked to interpret for Heller, whom her professor had invited to his house for dinner. He wanted to find out what sorts of things had been happening in the Lukács School apart from the study of Marxism. It very quickly became apparent that Heller was quite at sea with the very common terms even of moral philosophy. Heller eventually cut that line of conversation by insisting that Mum is incapable of interpreting what she wants to say. She sulked for what remained of the dinner party, leaving her husband to display his own minimal English to break the long silences.
What Mum and her friends never could work out is why the expulsion happened. Was it a genuine expulsion, or were they sent to ‘the West’? Strangely enough, they were all given jobs instantly in Australian universities, even Heller, who barely had a ‘working’ knowledge of English.
@ Loppot
Re: “ogre: “He even used words my Mom never heard of”
First of all, it’s Princess Ogre to you, so kindly not get too familiar and mind your manners.
Secondly, I don’t get offended by “vulgar words” and have no idea who started what because because I left kindergarden a while ago so telling me that “she started first” is laughable.
I get offended by vulgar language attacking people’s parents , children and women in general which is one of your many revolting hobbies plus your repetitive obsession with “torture” and “sex” makes me very uncomfortable which I shall not elaborate on. The only evidence I have against my gut feelings about you is that your postings make my skin crawl and I don’t think that would stand up in a court of law.
I have not seen JA accuse either of your parents of being sexual perverts, nor has she questioned anyone’s paternity on this website.
It may or may not have been you but someone accused CG of being a child molester – if it wasn’t you, then you must have like-minded friends on this website.
BTW, while in my opinion you are one of the most despicable characters on this website, I would never in a million years blame your parents for the way you turned out – you managed that all on your own. Congratulations.
LHVJ, a quick PS: Obviously, you are quite right on the historians bit. Tell me though, have you come upon Jobbágyi Gábor, I believe a contemporary historian? Someone recently recommended that I read his stuff. I mean to, but I should rather not waste time on a lemon. Do you know of anyone writing Hungarian history now who is worth reading? I have a very old copy of Padányi Viktor’s Dentu Magyaria. He wrote this work in Australia in the ’50s, so without the appropriate research facilities. I trust this work, mostly because he was a friend of my Grandparents. They gave me my copy. I has recently been re-printed in Hungary. (Thought you might be interested! But I expect this post will again bring down one of the resident specimens of human garbage on you. My best wishes! Keep up your good work.)
@Elle
I am not a historian but I have seen a number of real Hungarian historians who have came into their own these past years. They appear on HirTV and DunaTV and even on m1 and m2. I also read Magyar Nemzet and Magyar Hirlap. I do not like everything they print but the have some writers who deserve attention. You are a much better expert than I am and I am sure that you can recognize the real Hungarian historians without any help from me.
I advise you to ignore kikestander and any of the anti-Hungarian trash challenging your competence, your degree and demanding to know where you got your PhD. They are fishing because they want to know whom you are and where you work so that they can harass you, your family and your co-workers. Let them think and say whatever they want. They do not count.
I posted this link about the AVO in your absence. It is a three part series. If you want to download parts 2 and there all you have to do is change #1 to #2 and #3 in the link:
http://tdyweb2.wbteam.com/Avosok_1.htm
I consider these videos excellent references for anyone who can understand Hungarian and who wants to know what it was like under the Rakosi AVO.
@ogre
I assure you that whatever low opinion you have of me it does not even approach the contempt I feel for you and the likes of you. Reading the hate coming from you helps to understand how the Jewish Communist who ruled Hungary could torture and murder as many Hungarians as they did. They could not have done it alone and they needed the help of likes of you to do their dirty work for them. I believe that there is nothing you would refuse to do for your Jewish masters and if they asked or demanded of you, you would help torture Hungarians who want to keep Hungary for Hungarians. Do you really think that it makes any difference what a zsidó bérenc such as you thinks of me?
“Tortured and LYNCHED”
The new crime series by torture expert LYNCH with assistance by elle and Ricsi, many satanic references by Law and a background choir by countless namechangers intent of restoring Hungary as it was 500 years ago …
A must for every masochist – live here on politics.hu!
Thanks, LHVJ. Sadly though, I am no expert on anything. And thanks for your concern, but I have not the least inclination to rise to any ‘challenge’ a git sets me.
It seems that you and I read and listen to much the same things. Thank goodness that at least those outlets are in place. I shall look at the ÁVO video you posted. But that is one theme on which I have heard many first-hand experiences. The brutality of the bastards beggars belief. Just one quick account. It comes from my relative to whom I referred earlier, the mother of the two chaps who managed to get into medical school in the early ’60s.
Her friend, a war widow, was expelled in 1953 from her nice little flat in Rózsa Domb, and billeted on a peasant family in northern Hungary, together with her two children. The peasantry was by then so burdened by requisitions to supply produce that they were living on near-starvation rations. Three extra mouths to feed was no small matter for them. The mother was not allowed to work as a teacher in her neighbourhood, for she was now ‘class alien’. So she tried to make up for lack of income by labouring with her peasant hosts. By the time my relative found her, she was almost dead with pneumonia. One of her children already was, for winter had come early, and they had been living in an unheated lean-to and suffering from malnutrition.
For helping smuggle her back to Budapest, where my relative had found a room in Angyalföld into which she had moved herself and her own two sons (having pre-empted expulsion from her own home), the young man of the host peasant family was imprisoned, never to be seen again. My relative got a teaching job, using her maiden name, the name also on her pedagogue’s diploma, and supported all of them on that meagre income until someone denounced her, and she was imprisoned. Her friend was also imprisoned, and died in prison before my relative was released. She found her own two sons in a children’s home, and learned from them that her friend’s son never recovered from the beating he got when he tried to escape. My relative gave this account to illustrate how lucky she and her children had been, given the times. What struck me particularly was the evil genius with which the ÁVO worked out that the billeting trick can torture and criminalise the peasantry and the class aliens simultaneously. Theirs were not human minds; they actually were satanic.
@Elle
I agree with everything you wrote. About 2-3 years ago, they started showing documentaries about the cases you described. They were about ordinary Hungarians who often for no reason at all were brutalized by the AVO. Some, as you said had a nice homes that the AVO wanted.
The videos also have a section about the Communists going at each other. They killed their own also for various reasons but mostly out of fear that the other one would get them. Jews who had nice properties and were not Communists were targeted also. Gyurcsany lives in the Apro compound with his Jewish wife (Dobrev Klara, granddaughter of mass murderer Apro) in a luxury home they confiscated from a Jewish family.
Another interesting fact that you will find out from the video is that Kadar was never tortured. He knew how horrible his comrades torture people to get any confession they wanted. He signed everything without any fuss. When the Soviets put him in power they spread the lies that he was tortured by the AVO to make him look less of an evil bastard that he was. They were all lies.
I thought this was a news service, not a rant blog.
Good luck with your new business model, children – I hope it works out for you.
@Elle
We get new information about the horrors committed by the Communist now that the Communists no longer have absolute control over the flow of information. The Internet is very useful but the research of patriotic Hungarians is also indispensable.
This is part of an ongoing effort to document Communist crimes against Hungarians:
Katyni magyar hősök
http://www.naplo-online.hu/kultura_es_oktatas/20101026_katyni
Veszprém – Évtizedeken keresztül még csak beszélni sem lehetett Katynról, a lengyel borzalomról, pedig magyar áldozatok is voltak a tragikus halált halt emberek között.
Magyarország a patológus professzort, dr. Orsós Ferencet delegálta, akinek az agyi elváltozások időbeliségét vizsgáló eljárása fontos bizonyítéknak számított. A csoport megállapította a katyni vérengzés időpontját és ezzel bebizonyította, hogy a sok ezer lengyel katonatiszt kivégzését a Szovjetunió hajtotta végre. Az eddigi kutatások szerint 14 736 lengyel tisztet, és több mint 10 600 lengyel polgári személyt végeztek ki ott.
A hallottak nyomán nem csoda, ha a veszprémi est résztvevői is megállapították: nincs különbség a fasiszta és a kommunista diktatúra között. Az előadással tisztelegtek ez utóbbi áldozatai emléke előtt.
This is part of an ongoing effort to document Communist crimes against Hungarians:
Katyni magyar hősök
LHVJ at November 14, 2010 10:45 AM
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To make the Soviet massacre in Poland as a one “Communist crimes against Hungarians” seems a bit odd
That a few Hungarian that immigrated to Poland and ended up being killed in that massacre has hardly anything to do with Hungary. Hungarians must be able to find enough crimes committed by Soviet not needing to “steal” that specific massacre
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What would surprise us though would be if our Little Hussar and his side-kick ‘elle’ would remember those Hungarians who actually helped out in defending the Warsaw Ghetto during the uprising, when Soviet forces were waiting outside the city to let SS finish off the rebellion
There exist such a monument in Warsaw, but do you find anything about it in Hungary?
At least our Little Hussar claims the typical Hungarism point-of-view:
- No Hitlerism
- No Communism
- Just Hungarism
@ LHVJ. A gruesome but nonetheless quite astonishing development, that brain-tissue dating technique. Thanks for the Napló link. I was not aware of this publication.
With regard to Katyn: My Grandfather’s collection of wartime news-clippings contains an article from The Times, 15/03/1944, that soberly gives news of the Soviet Burdenko Commission’s ‘proof’ that the Katyn murders were carried out by the German Army in 1941 (i.e., not by the Soviets in 1940). Quite a bit of the text is faded beyond legibility, but the closing statements are clear. That bit refers to the presence as a witness in that Commission of Averell Harriman’s daughter. She opines that the deed was the Germans’, because it was one that the Russians ‘could not have brought themselves to do’ (!!!) Strange business, this. As you say, Katyn talk was proscribed for the rest of the century in the Soviet-sphere states. So also in Germany. But what was the Harriman stake in all this? Dad remembers my Grandfather and Great-Grandfather agreeing that there will be no moving of the ‘history’ the Harrimans are promoting. The latter chortled when Harriman’s daughter qualified her views a few years later. He knew a thing or two, having been combatant in that part of the world.
Such a dickens of a lot of real history has been quashed by regime-imposed silences. WWII history was written by ‘official’ historians and the tame media, and by the support of laws that forbade their contradiction. The holocaust industry survives on all that. I wonder if this blatant mind-bending will ever come to an end.
Erik,
I don’t need your Hungarian defensiveness.
The top Western universities whether Stanford, Swarthmore, Oberlin, Harvard, Oxford, Sorbonne, Heidelberg, etc. take great pains to avoid decisions motivated by the political stances.
They have an excellent record in that regard.
As usual, you are giving into your dark side – Hungarian vindictiveness.
If Hungarians spent as much time trying to build the future (which requires humility and a European mindset) instead of whining about the ‘Bad Communists’, they would make considerable
progress.
I just came back from Austria and the difference between the Austrians and the Hungarians is White and Black. The Hungarians are sour and unfriendly and are out of the European mainstream.
@American: Are you seriously suggesting that at the
average US or European university – and especially
in the areas of the humanities – a faculty member
who is a right-winger or even conservative will get
the same treatment as a liberal or left-winger?
Really?
WWII history was written by ‘official’ historians and the tame media, and by the support of laws that forbade their contradiction
Elle at November 14, 2010 3:14 PM
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Soviet-union continued to deny the massacres until 1990, when the “jews took over and sold out Russia” as ‘ricsi’ would put it
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre
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But outside the direct Soviet-sphere very few people believed the Soviet-version and the official version in the West was that Soviet did it, so ‘elle’ is trying to muddle the water again
“WWII history was written by ‘official’ historians and the tame media, and by the support of laws that forbade their contradiction.”
A lot of WWII was written by American academics where there are no laws to govern what they write and competition helps assure the quality of the work. I just think you are un-happy that the history doesn’t conform to the non-sense you believe. You hold up Irving as great historian and you trust another because your parents knew them. Your standards are abysmal. I for one don’t believe a word you write.
It would be nice to see ‘elle’ “investigate” anything else than can be blamed on “jews”, like the forced starvation Britain made to punish the Indians who wanted to get rid of them:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943
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This web-site seems to be too nice to the British and the Nazi-German propaganda from that time was much more correct?
This is still an infected wound in some parts of the Indian society and the Brits are still seen denying their responsibility
But investing this famine ‘elle’ risk to spit and shit on her British (or is it English?) relatives, and the country she was born inb, better to do that on unnamed “jews” in general and specified “hungarians” in particular, right?
@ Viking
Who cares about the famine when there is no Jewish connection? Get with the programme.
I am much more concerned with finding the answer to Elle’s newsworthy and timely concern facing our world:
“The holocaust industry survives on all that. I wonder if this blatant mind-bending will ever come to an end.”
I looked in my crystal ball and came up with an answer so she may sleep better at night – The Holocaust Industry will end exactly 49 hours and 10 minutes and 30 seconds after the Holocaust Denial ends.
About the Irving trial – he defended himself for the same reason that war criminals defend themselves.
“One finds such histrionics going all the way back to the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg as Hermann Goering sought to take control of the proceedings for his own political advantage. Why do these warlords, dictators, and thugs want to represent themselves? The easy answer is that they can. A review of the various rules of procedure and evidence allows an indictee to defend himself if he so chooses. But there is more to all this than the legal right of defending yourself before a tribunal or court.”
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forumy/2008/07/karadzics-choice-why-war-criminals.php
All these poor misunderstood souls who were falsely accused of murdering millions of people playing defense lawyers in court breaks my heart.
“The Holocaust Industry will end exactly 49 hours and 10 minutes and 30 seconds after the Holocaust Denial ends.”
Why not at the same time? Don’t you know that the whole “denial” idiocy is only part of the lucrative holocaust industry? It’s the shield around the ripoff business.
@ Denials
re: “Why not at the same time? ” – I am just the messenger, it was the crystal ball that gave me the answer.
I would guess it would take that long for the evil mainstream media to pick up the story, time change etc.
On another note, I asked Ricsi the same question but perhaps he did not see it – maybe you could enlighten me. (Crystal ball did not answer either)
The “Holocaust Industry” has not effected me personally/financially and I wonder how much it has cost you and changed your lifestyle. Hate to think you have no money to buy food and you are selling rotten fruit and flowers 24/7 in downtown BP
If I can take your mind of “that Industry” for a moment, do you have any idea if the red sludge victims are getting a fair settlement, do they have good representation and how are they doing?
I hope there will be a “Red Sludge Industry” with
many years to come because no one knows now, how it will effect the victims in the area for years to come considering the chemicals they were exposed to.
Of course you maybe too busy to care about those victims – I know that one can only worry so much about others’ misfortune and let’s not limit ourselves to present day Hungarian problems if we don’t have to
“A lot of WWII was written by American academics where there are no laws to govern what they write and competition helps assure the quality of the work.”
Another big lie. The zionazis hounded Dr. Norman G. Finkelstein out of his job for speaking the truth about the holocaust industry.
The zionazis hounded Dr. Norman G. Finkelstein out of his job for speaking the truth about the holocaust industry.
LHVJ at November 15, 2010 4:07 PM
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“Finkelstein’s parents, particularly his mother, had communist leanings”
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Finkelstein
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So now “jewish communists” are Good People?
Or is it just the Hungarian “jewish communists” that are Bad People?
It is getting a but confused over here with your instant turns and twists
In honour of the latest round of profound
revelations of truth (utter confusion and
contradiction) I thought it appropriate to re-
engage the world beyond our own (the internet) and
summon the words that were written on the sacred
scrolls of the people (copy in a former post from
a forgotten thread on politics.hu)
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Oh OGRE! At what stage will your realise that the
facts are not the facts, because they are facts
built on lies. They’re all lies except for the
ones that aren’t, in which case they’re
Truth…with a capital ‘T’. Unfortunately, your
low state of enlightenment prevents you from truly
seeing the trueness of the Truth in all its
truthicity. Only when you are prepared to accept
your ignoramusness will you be able to see that
you are incapable of understanding anything for
yourself in which case you have finally understood
that you can’t understand anything. All you have
to do is extend your sentences, speak in circles,
throw in a few non-sequiturs, both fish and snakes
have scales, string on something metaphysical like
the relationship between physics and the toilet
habits of angels and finally you have become
something like a phenomenon…something like a
phenomenon, something like a phenomenon.
Listen to the racoon, it is speaking to you. What
is it saying? …probably something like “Garbage
in Garbage out.”
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NOW…MUST I REPEAT MYSELF?? My god, when will you
work this stuff out?
@Tsar,
“truthicity”
Is that even a word?
“A lot of WWII was written by American academics where there are no laws to govern what they write and competition helps assure the quality of the work.”
Lopott says: “Another big lie.”
Where’s the lie? He didn’t lose his job for breaking any law and he was able to publish his work in the University of California Press and Verso publishers. And guess what? Finkelstein is not making the arguments you make. You think you are, but you’re not. I have issues with some of his ideas and his style, but he is not a holocaust denier. He lost many of his family to the holocaust and if he met you, I’m sure he’d call you a scum for misusing his writings.
@ Tsar
In response to your November 15 6.36 PM posting, I wish to express my eternal gratitude.
You are a true academic who brought my very complicated world into a clear focus and I now clearly see the Light, the Truth and the raccoons. – your students are fortunate to have you
Just noticed it was your wife’s Birthday – please wish her a Happy Belated Birthday from me.
olga must have way too much time on her hands.
Why does she spends all of it here? Why turn a potentially useful Hungarian political site into a pink chat room of boredom? Why don’t you sober up, clean your trailer, cook something for your starving family, or whatever your kind of white trash supposed to do? Why?
Zsuzsa: By royal decree I have declared
‘truthicity’ a word…before this time next year,
you’ll see some small Korean compact car called a
‘truthicity’ running down pedestrians in
Hongcouver.
@ Cin,
You make me laugh!!! It’s your turn to drop an e-mail.
@Tsar…: There’s already a word for truthicity, ‘verisimilitude’. Obviously that spoils the alliteration, but you could always start that rolling: ‘vouchsafe the very verecund verisimilitudinous verbiage…’
n.b. I’m only passing through.
Van: Yes yes, but it is my damned language and I
will invent words if I damn well feel like it.
…and besides, given the average level of literacy
here, do you think ‘verisimilitude’ would be
understood? Besides, I think ‘truthicity’ just
sounds cooler…I did like your alternate sentence
though.
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Good to see you, even if it is just a flying visit.
Erik,
The US is full of prestigious conservative think tanks and universities: Hoover Insitute, Manhattan Institute, University of Chicago, …
There is also the consevative law and economics movement, which includes a plethora of conservative thinkers. Judge Posner. Robert Hall at Stanford University.
I know of very few attempts to purge right own professors in the US or Western Europe. In fact, there are probably more attempts to purge left wing professors than right wing. There are several instances of state universities yielding to pressure against ‘marxists’. The lower the quality of the university, the more likely is it to happen.
You seem strikingly unaware of the unseemly precedents being set by Fidesz: purging of state-owned enterprises, purging of public institutions that are supposed to politically independent such as public media, and the particularly the attempts to oust the Central Bank President.
Democracy is not just about results. It is about doing things in the right way. Good government is largely about rising above politics. A cynical politician like Victor Orban, who changes his stripes to fit the fashion and spirit of the time, is only politics.
He will fail.
@ameriKan in Badawhatever’
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Golly gosh dude you are persistent in your ‘i am better than you mongs’.Admin here seems pretty kosher,yet you try to break his balls!Actually dude,you seem to annoy everyone with your obama negroe democratic politics.There’s always one isn’t there nobama?Every site,wether it be kiss the juden or break my balls holocaust deniers theres always a white negroe,swim d mississippi wop de doo daa that fuckin disagrees with everyone.What a twat!Why when i read your shite i cant even get my strudel zusammen to spit insults at volfi the ‘krystal nacht,,anne (i live in the attic)nazis killed me Frank!I got volfi pegged as a sado masochistic fuckin ass of the first degree.Dachau hooks would most probably(of course i seen der hooks,was der no?)be too good for a fucked up jerry like him.But you AiB,gee whizz.!A lamp fest would really put your shrunken head into perspective what?Such a ponce!
Dear Erik D’Amato,
Try reading some of Gaspar Miklos Tamas’ work before engaging in such asshattery (embodied by your blog post on this Web page).
http://www.socialistreview.org.uk/article.php?articlenumber=10743
http://www.grundrisse.net/grundrisse23/counterRevolutionAgainstCounterRevolution.htm
(also available here:
http://www.eurozine.com/articles/2007-09-18-tamas-en.html . This essay
also appeared in Socialist Register 2008)
http://bostonreview.net/BR25.3/tamas.html
http://www.mediationsjournal.org/articles/the-left-and-marxism-in-eastern-europe
(an interview with Tamás, published earlier this year. MRZine
published an excerpt:
http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2010/tamas170410.html )
http://www.isj.org.uk/?id=555 (another interview with Tamás, published
last year in International Socialism)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0G7XljdSOI&feature=related
(audiovisual interview with Tamás, first of six parts available on
Youtube)
Yours truly,
Somebody who considers Tamas to be an important figure on the contemporary Left.