US diplomatic documents released on Sunday by whistle-blowing website WikiLeaks include 734 reports dealing with Hungary, according to the German Der Spiegel magazine’s website.
Most of the documents concerned were written in 2006 and in the subsequent years. The magazine did not disclose the content of any document, only their level of classification.
Accordingly, four of the 734 documents belong to the “Secret – NOFORN” category meaning that they should not be made accessible to non-US nationals. Another 32 documents on Hungary were classified as “Secret”.
The package includes seven “Confidential – NOFORN” documents while 408 cables from Budapest were classified as “Confidential”.
The rest of the diplomatic documents were either restricted for official use or not classified at all.
It is no surprise for the governments I think.
( who has a much better reputation in EU than Mr. Bush, Clinton or Reagan had before)
They very well known what the US think about their politicians , country. Only those small not real background 3rd. world countries (whose has no well organized agencies, informations) can be a surprise this.
BUT… For the communities, for the peoples it will be a real surprise!!! And they will push the politicians to do something. At least at the elections they will make the decisions and will control support or not things going behind US interest. So the reputation of US will be so so so down that no one will believe what anyone –even it is Mr. Obama— telling International situations
And if the peoples are enough smart than they should know that this is not a secret for their own government, agency …
So if their politicians knows about it why they still send troops to those wars and support US interests if they report bad, and think as stupids of their countries, politicians, situations , movements and triing to manupulate them.
Because the world is really out of that. All about only power, interests, money and nothing else (communities, peoples) is in count. We already lost the last small portions of reality in the 80′s.
This is so damned silly! Has anyone wondered why the international press is going bananas on these ‘leaks’? They are not leaks at all. They are strategically placed bits of embarrassment for the US and some Arab countries. The most venal country in the world, Israel, manages to come off without a spot of bother. So what does this tell us about who did the ‘leaking’? Here is a nice insight: Gordon Duff – Wikileaks, a Touch of Assange and the Stench of AIPAC, http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=15236.
Elle at November 29, 2010 1:07 PM
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Ahh,
“Cherchez la femme”
in ‘elle/our little hussar’ version is:
“Cherchez le Juif”
Look for the Jew behind every stone and you will have your conspiracy
Actually ‘elles’ comment is as funny as the Government’s “pension protection commissioner” (contradiction of terms) Gabriella Selmeczi, who claimed Friday that:
“It was the government’s “resolute intention” to allow those returning to the state pension pillar to take their assets out without paying any tax or contribution on the real yield, but “the lawyers noted that this was not possible, and that it would be unjust”, Ms Selmeczi said. Thus the gains on the assets will be taxed under the flat-rate 16pc personal income tax, she added”
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http://www.realdeal.hu/20101129/hungarians-returning-to-state-pension-pillar-to-pay-tax-on-real-yields
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‘Aaahhh, The Lawyers Made Us Do It!’
Just hilarious ‘blame some one else when you fucked up’ symptom
What would not John Stewart do with that statement
Yawn… so some people say unpleasant things about Hungary – it
can’t possibly be worse than the ghastly truth! As for the rest -
well, it’s just confirmation of what we all suspected – or should
have suspected given a reasonable assessment of the situations and
human motives. Arab countries want the US to bomb the Iranian A-
Bomb plants.. oh really! I’m so shocked!It was the US behind the
drone air strikes in Yemen, and not the Yemeni air force – wow…
didn’t suspect that. Diplomat A thinks Head of State B is a moron…
the US doesn’t care about Europe… move along, nothing to see
here.
Elle: Unlikely. Assange and Co. are just old-
fashioned anti-US lefties, and Israel is just a much
harder target than the US in terms of leaks.
Erik, as Gordon Duff says, there is not much Assange in this leak. Look to AIPAC instead. But yes: ‘Israel is just a much harder target than the US in terms of leaks’ – especially when AIPAC is doing the leaking.
Take the old ‘qui bono’ look, too. Israel has been campaigning for years for a US attack on Iran. The so-called Wikileak (really, AIPAC leak) now ‘proves’ that so many ‘world leaders’ also want an attack on Iran. Mark my words: every single item of the leaks, supposing we get to see them, will be of the usual ‘good for Israel’ sort. And that is why NYT and all the Jew-owned or Jew-controlled media are pumping up this leak business relentlessly.
@Elle: Wake me when you discover something bad
that’s happened in the world that AIPAC or the
Hebrews aren’t behind. In the meantime, zzzzzzz.
Erik, you can do better than echo the village idiot. (Then again, I cannot remember what makes me assume that.) Also: ‘bad’? You are not listing the silly Wikileaks in that category, are you? That would be too naïve. It has not managed to do more mischief that the average gossip columnist can bring off. Taking the wide view of ‘bad’, though … oh, never mind. Sleep on.
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I do not know if I think this cable is pro-Israel, more a realistic opinion:
“Regarding what he considered Iran’s true nuclear capabilities, a 2007 cable quoted outgoing Mossad chief Meir Dagan as stating that Tehran was attempting to convey a “false presentation that they have mastered the uranium enrichment process.”
“The reality is,” Dagan said, “that they are not there yet, and they are paying a heavy political price [sanctions] for something they have yet to achieve.”
In Dagan’s view, the 2007 cable stated, there wasn’t an “ideological conflict within the Iranian leadership (all wish to see the destruction of Israel), but there is a growing divide on tactics with some supporting a retaliatory position against the West and others favoring new policies of moderation”"
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http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/wikileaks-expose-barak-warned-strike-on-iran-was-viable-until-end-of-2010-1.327453
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On the other hand what would ‘elle’ see in the cables:
* Israel has illegal nuclear weapons
(big deal, remember whistle-blower Mordechai Vanunu?)
* Israel kills innocent people
(eehh, ever checked the Palestine conflict or the Ship2Gaza lately?)
* Israel spies on the US
(Never heard of Jonathan Jay Pollard a former civilian intelligence analyst who was convicted of spying for Israel. He received a life sentence in 1987?)
Just because every news is not about how bad Israel is, does not mean that it is Israel behind the news
But that may be too complicated for ‘elle’
Elle, you are a real nutcase. You should be hospitalized and the sooner the better.
I do wish Páva were back! The ‘you should be hospitalised/medicated’ types have forgotten his salutary point: This is commie nostalgia for a time when it was the norm to hospitalize/medicate all non-commies. By golly the volga olga/Fenyős of this world make me want to throw up.
@Elle,
The feeling is QUITE MUTUAL.
Erik was right about YOU being the Village Idiot.
So, *now* the Wikileaks revelations are the work
of an Israeli provocateur?!
The fact that you have no IDEA of what an idiot
you sound must be a continual source of
consternation to you. Get used to the sound of
laughter after you speak, if you’re not used to it
already. That will follow you for a lifetime the
way it’s looking.
Awesome comedy… Wikileaks = THE JEWS. U R
INCREDIBLE.
@ Crime
“Imagine any other similarly tiny country would get for violating basic international law, going around the world, killing people they don’t like. ”
I am not familiar with Israel or Israeli laws but no one ever told me it was violating basic international laws if I went around killing people I didn’t like.
Shit – do you know if this law applies to Canada as well?
Probably not because we are not a tiny country, but for minute, you had me worried there.
@Elle: Paranoia can be treated with medicine, and people who blame everything on Jews and Communists are paranoids, not to mention anti-Semitic bigots. But hey, if you enjoy being the laughing stock of this website, go ahead!
“WikiLeaks release not a problem for Israel”
Netanyahu says, it doesn’t take anyone with a bit of
common sense to see who is behind this scandal.
Wikileaks is an intelligence operation to weaken and
undermine the American government, orchestrated from
Tel Aviv, using dozens of operatives, dual citizens,
some at the highest authority levels, spies for
Israel. Through leaking carefully selected
intelligence along with proven falsified documents,
all fed to a controlled press, fully complicit,
Wikileaks is, in fact, an act of war against the
United States.
Law is an intelligence operation to weaken and dumb down Hungarians, orchestrated by the highest authorities in comedy & controlled by the evil Ben Stiller.
Wikileaks is an intelligence operation to weaken and undermine the American government
Law at November 30, 2010 8:42 AM
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OMG, you are now a ‘defender of the American government’?
Is not the ‘American government’ the root to all evil in the world?
Remember how you guys defended Saddam Hussein and the Iranian leadership yesterday, but today you are a ‘defender of the American government’?
The ‘ricsi’-gang has no principles, just a ‘being against’-opinion
That it sometimes take them on a 360-degree tour, just make them feel good in their heads, you know that buzzing feeling when it goes to fast
The problem is that they mistake it for ‘brain activity’
But at least they cause a laugh or two per day, so it is good to have them around for amusement
What is all this fuss about???
1)Diplomats worldwide collect infos and report
to their respective home-offices.They include
assesments and personal opinios and they try too
to characterize political leaders. 99% of all written mails are never read by anybody anyway.
2)There is no surprise learning that certain
neighbouring states of iran like to see the iranian reginme gone. There are no secrets here.
3)To be honest. It is more an implosion than an explosion what we got to know til now.
4) If Mr.Assange however wanted to divert from his
legal problems in Sweden (rape-charges) than he might have succeeded, Otherwise it’s “STUIOT”
the real for hungary is however this:
ECHO TV had 2 days ago (sunday) an interview
with israels ambassador to Hungary(a good looking
and intelligent lady).
What happened to ECHO? What they are up to?
No more jew or roma bashing,no anti-roma or
anti semitic crab? Is this the new hungary?
and dear elle:
wikileaks and israel:
if you would know a little bit about israeli
politics you would know too,that we do not need wikileaks to leak infos. In israel everything is being leaked anyway to the media and thus into the public domain.
A post is missing. Where did it go? Was it offensive to such a degree that the public needed to be protected from reading it? No.
If I remember correctly, it was simply critical of Israel and its kidnapping and assassinations on foreign territory. Looks like this is a Mossad-friendly site.
censor librorum
i am deeply sorry.I found your posting. I will return it to sender.
i mean ,i will sent it to wikileaks. You will read
there as annother “breaking news” item.:)
hope you don’t mind
and here a summary of wikileaks papers describing
european and other leaders:
angela merkel = teflon
guido westerwelle=revlon
silvio berlusconi=mumbo jumbo-n
putin=felon
orban=papillon
hugo chavez=ballon
british PM=colon
netanyahu=mouflon
iranian pm=moron
to be extended with next releases from wikileaks
@Elle
Personal attacks are the standard zionazi response to everything they do not like.
Mention the Jewish bankers and…
Mention the Jewish Communists and…
Mention Nazi Israel and its brutal treatment of Palestinians and…
Mention Israeli white slavery and…
Mention the Jewish slave traders and…
Mention the Jewish prono industry and…
Mention anything negative about the zionazis and…
The list of unmentionables is getting so long that the only safe thing is to ask the zionazis what it is that we can discuss and how to avoid the personal from the zionazis.
Erik, could you post such a list to keep us out of trouble. Thank you
@ Judas
I am writing this posting from a bunker realizing that everything the crazies have been saying about Israel is true.
Bad enough I grew up in a Marxist-Communist country called Canada where the education system brain-washed me, but as of this morning I had to face the Truth (capital T) that all the Canadian newspapers, TV and media outlets have been taken over by Mossad and they are dissiminating false information about the WikiLeaks.
It seems that Israel was not what the Arab Leaders feared (Hah!) – it was Iran; the UAE Military deemed that Ahmadinejad was crazy and while Lebanese leaders showed friendship towards Iran, they secretly wanted the US to attack them.
I know all this is a pack of lies and the WikiLeaks were written by Mossad agents and I am fed up with Israel.
It was not enough for “you people” to pick Hungary as your Number 1 target, now you took over the Canadian media.
You should be ashamed of yourself – and so should Bystander.
Gotta go and find out the TRUTH from Stormfront and I pray Mossad has not got to them first.
BTW, one of our own allegedly made a statement that Canada was like “Alice in Wonderland” when it came to terrorism – another Israeli lie although I heard that from many of our friends and I agree with that – which shows how brainwashed I really am by these diabolical Israelis.
Where is David Irving when we need him?
@ Lopott
Re: “Personal attacks are the standard zionazi response to everything they do not like.”
Oh my God !! They got to you too. I just admitted that the Zionist took over the Canadian Media and now I find out you are one them. Et tu, Brute?
I need another coffee – can’t handle any more bad news this morning
Menj aludni Olga.
Kedves Ludmilla
Sajnos tul sok kavet ittam
dear olga,
if only my mossad friends would have known before
what pain we might cause we would have left
canada alone.
And with respect to hungary. Our involvement here
is simply due to a communication error in our
east europe desk. “if you are hungry ,eat” was mistakenly
decoded as: ” Eat Hungary “. So thats why we took
over Hungary. The rest of the world though was fairly easy..piece of cake so to speak.
But what now? Now we are quarreling between each other. No real enemy anynore. We are everywhere,
anytime. …..New zealand maybe is still open territory though…
“You should be ashamed of yourself – and so should
Bystander.”
I am SO deeply ashamed that my “home country”
Israel created this fictional character “Julian
Assange” who was created to smear the USA through
his Wikileaks… Or wait, I’m so deeply ashamed
that my “home country” the USA created this
fictional character to make itself look bad, no,
wait… I’m so deeply ashamed that all the
Wikileaks revelations make Israel look justified
in its… wait….
Somewhere there’s an angle that Elle and her ‘ilk’
(Bobs? Pava?) will try and turn the Wikileaks
publication into another Red Commuter Plane Over
Budapest Herring incident…
It’s Israel I tells ya!
@ Judas and Bystander
Judas – Let me know when you guys take over New Zealand – my son loved both the country and the people (liked it better than Australia) so I must let him know to sign up for Hebrew lessons before he decides to visit there again.
Bystander – You may disagree but I never thought for a minute that Pava or Ricsi were “certifiable” while I never doubted that Lopott, Elle and Law were
That WikiLeaks and Julian Assange is just an Israeli Operation is now confirmed by Interpol putting up Julian Assange on their “Most Wanted”-list:
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http://www.interpol.int/public/data/wanted/notices/data/2010/86/2010_52486.asp
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Obviously a real blow against the Jewish World Conspiracy
Or it is proof that WikiLeaks and Julian Assange is not part of the Jewish Take Over, then those guys are never punished. That is normally how you recognise them, according to ‘ricsi’ and friends
dear Viking and like minded….
there is a “Common sense society” working
and very active in Budapest.
Maybe you should join them al least for one
session.
“Jewish World Conspiracy”
Also known as the elephant in the room.
Information impresses me, why do you have to scribble about it – it makes no use – better write about moving boxes – I need it
@ Judas
Re: “”if you are hungry ,eat” was mistakenly
decoded as: ” Eat Hungary ”
That was very funny. I meant to tell you before.
Re: :there is a “Common sense society” working
and very active in Budapest.”
Sounds like a variation of the Jon Stewart “Rally to Restore Sanity” in Washington
Another great day for American style ‘democracy’.
@Erik: When you and American in Budapest were congratulating yourselves on having a healthy democracy last week, were you kidding? I only ask, since I know of no country which makes a bigger show of claiming one thing whilst doing just the same as the ‘less’ democratic ones. Everything these days is extra-judicial. You torture, rape, assassinate at will. You get other countries to provide you with the locations to do this. You intimidate journalists to the point were they no longer call torture ‘torture’. Honestly, any US citizen that still has a holier than thou attitude should climb right out of their own ass.
Here’s the American dream 2010: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/us-embassy-cables-executed-mike-huckabee
Vándorló ranting and raving as usual and providing irrelevant web links.
We need to find Vándorló a job so his insecurity can be lessened …
Actually even a Canadian top advisory is calling for the killing of Julian Assange:
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http://looncanada.com/2010/11/30/top-advisor-to-stephen-harper-calls-for-fatwa-against-wikileaks-director-julian-assange/
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“Flanagan who is a trusted member of PM Harper’s inner circle of Tory strategists joins Sarah Palin in calling for the death of the Wikileaks director as retribution for the website’s release of confidential diplomatic and intelligence “chatter” this week”
‘Free Speech’ seems to be a bit limited on the other side of the pond, despite what our Little Hussar normally claims
On the European side people against ‘Free Speech’ normally call for people to be arrested, not outright killed/executed for making a statement
So Vandolo, what aspect of Hungary to you want to compare with the US? Corruption? Life expectancy? Number of universities in the world’s top hundred? Economic development? Tax evasion? Drinking and smoking habits? Contributions to science and technology in the 19th and 20th centuries? Democratic traditions?
I wish the Hungarians the best, but any comparison today will not flatter your tiszta magyar ego …
I don’t think Vandorlo is a “tiszta magyar” (I
could be wrong/surprised I guess) just FYI…
I happen to think that Assange should be
*arrested* but not assassinated etc. If he has a
really good case to present, he can present it in
court and maybe sway a jury…
One may say that nations should not HAVE “armies”
in this day and age (I wish I could agree, that it
were that simple), but as long as we DO, some
secrets are essential to preserving the lives of
the troops. If armies DO exist and I had a child
near a battlefield somewhere, I *certainly* do not
think that it is the public’s right to know in
what ditch he is hiding or the name of the local
chieftain who happened to decide to cooperate
against the Taliban.
I think Assange could have done a LOT more
productive things with his abilities and time. As
one example, in the first Afghanistan leak he
didn’t bother to “scrub” the names of informants
when there is widely available easy to implement
code that would do this for him… But “fame”
necessitated a speedy and dramatic release… so
if a bunch of chieftains that helped us rid them
of Taliban intimidation happen to die and no one
ever wants to risk their necks again leading to
permanent Taliban domination and Afghani women
never having rights or going to school, hey, it’s
no skin off Assange’s back!
But having said that, assassination is not the
answer, in my opinion.
That the WikiLeaks and Julian Assange are Zionist operations are rejected by David Duke himself, hailing WikiLeaks as:
“Wikileaks exposes Zionist Treachery”:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgI1aph7AsE
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So, who should we believe?
Law or David Duke?
David Duke or ‘elle’?
They cannot all be correct at the same time
@Americunt: “I wish the Hungarians the best” That’s the thing, you don’t. You wish no-one well.
“what aspect of Hungary to you want to compare with the US?” How about talking through their arse and being two-faced? Oh sorry, you win again.
How about destroying democratically elected governments. Bollocks, you win again. Fuck, there must be something?
How about having a currency everyone wants to bin but they can’t ‘cos they have too much of the stuff.
And shit for brains, you have already had the figures from me on obesity etc… Maybe we could look at social inequality?
Here’s the thing pea-brain. I wasn’t comparing, I was stating a fact. America is a two faced country run by hypocrites and cunts such as yourself only underline my assertion.
Viking knobhead-suggest you actually watch the whole video
@Bystander: Nice that you would agree to give him the pantomime of a judicial hearing and not the subject him to the practice of extraordinary rendition and an extrajudicial hearing.
As I said last time you raised the themes you have just repeated, I don’t repeat myself.
A few facts for you all
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/wikigame.php
Well, if it wasn’t for us repeating ourselves
every article on this site would only have about 2
or 3 posts max, below. Hey I ate breakfast AGAIN
today, but it was still enjoyable… Learning how
to enjoy life regardless of what’s dealt to us is
a gift… Vandorlo sounds awful cranky today, the
offer to share my “secret to happiness” is hereby
extended.
Oh, Vandorlo, I’m not being a smartass because I
usually (but not always) agree with you… when
you said “America is a two faced country run by
hypocrites and cunts such as yourself”, I was
wondering if you could reel off a short list of
countries that are far *superior* (e.g. having
only one face or something)? I’m not doubting
they exist… I really would like to know what you
would name, which would help me get a handle on
your frame of reference.
Thanks in advance if you have the time.
Viking knobhead-suggest you actually watch the whole video
Reality at December 1, 2010 4:28 PM
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Yes I did and where did Duke claim:
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“They are not leaks at all. They are strategically placed bits of embarrassment for the US and some Arab countries. The most venal country in the world, Israel, manages to come off without a spot of bother
Elle at November 29, 2010 1:07 PM”
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“”WikiLeaks release not a problem for Israel”
Netanyahu says, it doesn’t take anyone with a bit of
common sense to see who is behind this scandal.
Law at November 30, 2010 8:41 AM”
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So, who is right?
Duke, who claims that
“Wikileaks exposes Zionist Treachery”?
Duke is not claiming that WikiLeaks is bad and he uses it to push his points on how bad Israel and Jews are. Hardly a thing if it was material to support Israel’s aims/goals, then that would make Duke just another Israeli operation, Right?
@Bystander: “I was wondering if you could reel off a short list of countries that are far *superior*” But you know I can’t. That isn’t my argument. I am not claiming anything more than the fact that the US foreign and internal policy, its respect for the freedom of speech and its social violation of individual and collective rights is exactly the same as any other colonial power now and in the past.
If it helps, the frame of reference is orthogonal to Erik’s, Americunt’s and, I suspect, your own line of thinking.
There are Universal Declarations of Human Rights for individuals, there is the United Nations Convention Against Torture, European Convention on Human Rights, etc… The US shits on all these. It doesn’t even respect any other country’s autonomy and legal framework. They have granted themselves unlimited powers to do anything they like to anyone, where ever they like without reprise, repercussion or explanation.
They do have a lovely White House, House of Representatives, Senate, ‘separation of judicial powers’, etc… Theoretically it’s perfect. As long as you do what you’re told and aren’t unlucky enough to be on their shopping list you are fine. Woe betide you draw attention to 122,000 real civilian deaths as opposed to potential deaths of some US informers (ref: http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ )
So, while everyone makes a fuss over these potential deaths, the US murders are all documented in excruciating detail. Meanwhile the messenger is on the run for his life
@Bystander: Just for the record, internal government memos note that no individual’s safety was actually compromised. Meanwhile the US leaned on anyone and everyone to hunt him down: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1pTl8KdREk
They are one group of fuckers, pure and simple. You go right ahead defending US ‘democracy’ and condoning how it behaves.
Let’s just agree to disagree. Unless you can
point me to an example of a “working democracy”
that is able to ensure its own security without
occasionally having to pull out the “claws” how do
I know it’s even POSSIBLE (ie without being
overrun by enemies in one’s feel-good-attempt-at-
total-openness/transparency).
Since no such example exists, the discussion is
perhaps rendered partially moot, thus I will fall
back on “I’ll agree to disagree with you,
hopefully without being disagreeable”.
Sorry, in *my* opinion based on *my* experiences
with the world, Walking Softly And Carrying A Big
Pillow leads to ruin regarding national security.
Nasty, yes, happy to consider a counterexample
that *works* when you notice one happening in the
real world.
It doesn’t mean I condone *remotely* everything
the US does, and in fact am very UPSET about the
wars and bad things done; however, just throwing
our hands up and basically tapping our own phone
lines and handing them to our enemies is stupid. I
think that if you have 10000 Julian Assanges, the
US will be crippled and you’ll have China or
Russia etc. saying “hey maybe THEY don’t wanna
play dirty, but I think this is our CUE!”
And re: “Internal Memos” about Assange, could you
produce those? Cause I too have heard data that
claims that the Taliban is *actively* seeking to
murder anyone named in the documents. Just cause
we don’t have gravestones yet doesn’t mean it
hasn’t/won’t happen. My information is different
from yours.
@Bystander: No, I won’t agree to disagree. I just disagree. Supporting extrajudicial procedures, extraordinary rendition, torture etc… and claiming you are not condoning it is hypocritical and ridiculous.
And this bit: “…to ensure its own security without
occasionally having to pull out the “claws”…” In many cases it has nothing to do with its security. But the word “occasional” is pathetic. Yes, pathetic. Unless civilian 122,000 deaths is warranted. Since 2001 the US has illegally seized at least 3,000 people under extraordinary rendition.
Ridiculous and wet excuses.
Though, I do suppose you would support the leaks as long as it hits the right people, not your irrational nationalism: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704594804575648382616807158.html
On the internal reports what would you like? Should I get you the originals and have them couriered over? Seems a reasonable like of argument.
How about you just searching on “The Associated Press has obtained a Pentagon letter reporting that no U.S. intelligence sources or practices were compromised by the posting of secret Afghan war logs.” But, you will note all the original articles have been wiped, almost universally. Though they are still cached by Google. Maybe you are right. Maybe this memo didn’t exist and the Associated Press just made it all up and published a story on it. Given how sensitive this is, that’s exactly the kind of risk I’d take if I wasn’t sure.
I already said I have issues with various things
my government has done but that doesn’t mean I
disagree with *everything*… However Al Qaeda is
pretty f-ing nasty and I’d like to know how you’d
deal with them, any suggestions?
From everyone’s favorite site,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_War_documents_
leak
The leak reportedly names hundreds of Afghan
informants. The Times offered as examples[52]
a 2008 report that includes a detailed interview
with a Taliban fighter considering defection and
ends with “[t]he meeting ended with [named person]
agreeing to meet intel personnel.” Both his
father’s name and village are also included in the
report;
a report that read “[named person] said he would
be killed if he got caught interacting with any
coalition forces, which is why he hides when we go
into [named location]“.
The paper also found that a man killed by the
Taliban two years ago after being suspected of
spying for American forces was named in the logs
and described as “highly pro-Government of
Afghanistan and Coalition Forces. He should be
taken seriously in his claims of insurgent
knowledge.” Another report gave the names,
father’s names, tribe, village and GPS co-
ordinates for homes of individual villagers while
stating that “[named person] wanted to help us as
much as possible… [but] they were afraid that
the people in the next village would see them
talking to Americans.”[53][clarification needed]
(Cont’d)
@Bystander: 122,000 civilian deaths and you are scraping together 1 or 2? FFS! Watch the video I posted earlier.
You always end up defending the indefensible.
American democracy is an oxymoron these days. Unless, of course, you are doing the electoral waltz.
Real deaths, not hypothetical.
Tell me this, two questions:
1. Who is doing the greater good for freedom and democracy, US or Assange?
2. Who is doing the greater damage to freedom and democracy, US or Assange?
(Cont’d)
Jane Harman, chairwoman of the Congressional
Homeland Security Subcommittee on Intelligence,
said that the Taliban had been given “its new
‘enemies list’.”[54] Ahmad Nader Nadery, a
commissioner at the Afghanistan Independent Human
Rights Commission, said that revealing the names
and villages of people who interacted with U.S.
troops was an “irresponsibility”.[55]
The U.S. Secretary of Defense and former CIA
director Robert M. Gates said that the
announcement by the Taliban that they were going
through the dispatches proved that the disclosures
imperiled Afghans who had aided American forces.
“Growing up in the intelligence business,
protecting your sources is sacrosanct”.[57]
I think since the leak only happened in October
and the reports you mention upon googling as you
suggested seem to all come up with OCTOBER dates,
perhaps the jury is still out on who has been
retaliated against. You seem PRETTY darn sure of
yourself regarding a number of things… For
someone who hates the USA so much you try and
sound like you have an “inside man” with all the
latest and greatest info, and I DO NOT BELIEVE
THAT.
Hey, Vandorlo…
Tell me WHO CAUSED THOSE DEATHS? TALIBAN IEDs? That
blow up schools we keep building for women?
I give up, go tell it to the breeze.
Did Assange give fucking BILLIONS in aid all over
the world? Did Assange feed hungry people?
I give up, you’re pissing me off.
@Bystander: “Jane Harman, chairwoman of the Congressional Homeland Security Subcommittee on Intelligence” FFS!!
The Homeland Security Subcommittee on Intelligence, Information Sharing, and Terrorism Risk Assessment is a subcommittee within the House Homeland Security Committee.
So your creditable, unbiased source would be from the U.S. House Committee on Homeland Security. Which is a standing committee of the United States House of Representatives, the lower house of Congress. Its responsibilities include U.S. security legislation and oversight of the Department of Homeland Security.
You are quoting the US government ass-hat. This is getting boring and trivial. Do you think they might not, perchance, be quite so objective as one might suppose or desire?
@Bystander: Got to love you and your bleeding heart. You get weepy with one woman and child, but 122,000 is just a number. Fuck the thousands, Bystander is crying for the photo opportunity.
Soap Opera TV is your thing.
Feel the weight of 122,000 lost souls and feel humbled and disgusted.
I told you I had big problems with the wars, and
now you want to make it MY FAULT?
Your disingenuous debate style trying to paint me
as a killer is a disappointment from someone who
earlier I had a bit of respect for.
Eventually maybe a terrorist will get ahold of a
nuclear weapon and I’m depending on you and
Assange to personally fend of the literally multi-
million deaths that might ensue. If you let me
down I will be greatly disappointed.
When you get off your high horse and debate fairly
and show me a REAL WORLD example of a nation that
can function in the absence of a Defense
Department I will come back and discuss it.
In the meantime show me where I said I had no
regrets for how the wars have turned out.
Just because I’m from the US you paint me as
responsible. News Flash: I voted AGAINST Bush,
against the war in Iraq (thru my votes) and voted
FOR Obama (in protest) and so forth.
So for you to try and paint ME personally as
insensitive to deaths of innocents as we try to
solve an almost unsolvable situation I say “YOU
are guilty of systematically murdering Kurds and
genocide on the fucking Armenians”. As long as
logic is out the window, might as well take THAT!
As long as you’re calling me an “asshat” I just
saw one of your posts I missed and then I’m out of
here:
Van:”So your creditable, unbiased source would be
from the U.S. House Committee on Homeland
Security. Which is a standing committee of the
United States House of Representatives, the lower
house of Congress. Its responsibilities include
U.S. security legislation and oversight of the
Department of Homeland Security.
You are quoting the US government ass-hat.”
Yes I AM in response to your comment about a
PENTAGON LETTER (hint… YOU quoted the US gov’t
Mr. Disingenuous Debater!) when you said:
“The Associated Press has obtained a
Pentagon letter reporting that no U.S.
intelligence sources or practices were compromised
by the posting of secret Afghan war logs.”
So I countered with an entry that REFUTED your
claim based on similar sourcing.
If the “ass-hat” fits, you should wear it. In the
meantime I would like to point out that your
debating style echoes BobsCountryBunker where you
think you can slip ‘n’ slide and paint accusations
willy-nilly and no one will call you on it.
In the meantime please explain what you do that is
so amazingly helpful to the world that you feel
you can sit way up high on your horse and
criticize everyone else. Your naive worldview
perhaps does not translate into any real, workable
government policy that might deal with people who
don’t play “fair”. On other topics I agree w/you,
but on this one I do NOT.
“please explain what you do that is
so amazingly helpful to the world”
Well, he makes sense and knows what he’s talking about.
Now it’s your turn: find an excuse for your pitiful existence.
@Bystander: Just for the record: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/11/28/1947638/no-evidence-that-wikileaks-releases.html
And if you read the Economist there have been some decent articles and blog posts on their recently. Also over at thenation.com and plenty of other places.
I particularly like this bit: “(D)rawing on the documents made available by WikiLeaks, the ACLU reports that the Bush administration “pressured Germany not to prosecute CIA officers responsible for the kidnapping, extraordinary rendition and torture of German national Khaled El-Masri”, a terrorism suspect dumped in Albania once the CIA determined it had nabbed a nobody. I consider kidnapping and torture serious crimes, and I think it’s interesting indeed if the United States government applied pressure to foreign governments to ensure complicity in the cover-up of it agents’ abuses”
And this: “11:45 Just noticed that original lead NYT story online earlier today said documents showed that U.S. and South Korea had been “gaming” the collapse of North Korea. Not reads “thinking about.” ”
Another blow for democracy.. Go USA!
Don’t you mean “Go North Korea!”?
Since you never seem to have a bad word to say about
them, nor Iran, Russia, China… I guess THOSE are
the “model nations” in your world, huh?
BTW, I just read your Miami Herald link,
Vandorlo…
Did you even READ the link *you* sent me? From
the story:
First off, it states that it was the *newspapers*
only that redacted the names of people in danger:
“Together, the five newspapers [ie NOT WIKILEAKS]
have carefully edited the raw text used to remove
all names and indices whose disclosure could pose
risks to individuals,” Le Monde said.
THEN, ALL FROM *YOUR* ARTICLE BELOW…
“We have yet to see any harm come to anyone in
Afghanistan that we can directly tie to exposure
in the WikiLeaks documents,” Morrell told the
Washington Post on Aug 11. But “there is in all
likelihood a lag between exposure of these
documents and jeopardy in the field.”
“Despite that, the government has maintained that
the release of the documents could put people in
grave danger. In a letter to WikiLeaks Saturday,
the State Department’s legal adviser, Harold Koh,
said that the release “could place at risk the
lives of countless innocent individuals – from
journalists to human rights activists and bloggers
to soldiers to individuals providing information
to further peace and security.”
“Despite your stated desire to protect those
lives, you have done the opposite and endangered
the lives of countless individuals. You have
undermined your stated objective by disseminating
this material widely, without redaction, and
without regard to the security and sanctity of the
lives your actions endanger,” Koh said.
I rest my case.
@Bystander: What do you want. First you moan that they don’t work with people or listen, then when they do you try to claim that they were not part of that responsive cooperative agreement and dealing with people’s concerns.
The bottom line is this: you excuse 122,000 real deaths, 3,000 cases of illegal abduction and torture. The torture of innocent people.
You then try to find 1 or two people who were theoretically effected by the release of data – which has not even been demonstrated by you or any of the articles I have linked to and provided. You have yet to provide *ANY* data.
Bystander, you are having problems muttering the truth because it conflicts with the aberrant self-image you have. You condone and support a murderous state. Who is killing, torturing and assassinating people at will? Your beloved country. You just can’t bring yourself to speak the truth.
You are, as I have said of others, two-faced. Though I think in your case you are simply self-deluded.
And I repeat, you are one vacuous ass-hat. You are quoting not the article I provided but the words of Harold Hongju Koh, who is The Legal Adviser of the Department of State within a department of the United States federal executive.
So again, you are quoting the US government. You can’t fucking read or follow an argument. Then you proudly declare: “I rest my case.”
You really are gifted.
Carry on being two faced and defending the indefensible. With 122,000 and counting your cunt-ry needs people like you.
Of all countries starting with the letter “I” I only like Iran. You can nuke the rest, leave Iran alone already. Nice folks live there, they make better friends than enemies.
@Van,
“you excuse 122,000 real deaths, 3,000 cases of
illegal abduction and torture. The torture of
innocent people.”
Show me where the fuck I DO that, asshat. I
stated over and over that I was not a fan of these
wars, and in fact I think that NATO should get OUT
of Afghanistan ASAP. Where do you get off putting
words in my mouth?
Now show ME where YOU criticize any OTHER “evil”
countries… EEEEEVER.
In case you’re wondering what I mean, here’s a
hint:
http://www.smh.com.au/world/diplomats-saw-putin-
behind-a-poisoning-20101202-18ib1.html
@Bystander: Over the years I have strongly condemned the UK, EU, France, Germany, Italy, Turkey, Russia, Australia, Japan and of course Hungary. This is not an exclusive list.
I’ll make a prediction and guarantee that you fulfil it at your first opportunity: In the lack of any evidence to show that Wikileaks releases have had any proven impact on security of the armed forces and individuals, as soon as one appears, no matter how small, you will make an enormous song and dance about it. No matter how small. You will not think proportionately of the balance of good and evil. Your country’s honour is to be defended and in your desperation you will continue to try to think good of the land of your birth.
Tell me this, two questions:
1. Who is doing the greater good for freedom and democracy, US or Assange?
2. Who is doing the greater damage to freedom and democracy, US or Assange?
If you re-phrase the question to something that’s
not an absurdity, I’ll be glad to give you a
serious answer.
I will get back to my work after one more
statement:
I DO think that the Wikileaks revelations CAN do
some good, and if Assange had been SELECTIVE about
his leaks, then I actually would support what he
does.
However, the WAY he goes about it, just dumping
250,000 documents that even HE can’t possibly know
what’s IN them… that is irresponsible. And like
I repeated before there are signs of laziness and
super-ego in there that makes me think his lack of
prudence/editing have less to do with noble
pursuits and is more like lazyness.
So, I am actually WELCOMING certain revelations
(though the Neo-Nazis + people like your buddy
Erdogan will all call this a “clever Zionist ploy”
– as if Assange is a Zionist!). However, I still
think that the WAY he is doing this via Massive
Dumps is dangerous and could do a lot of harm to
POSITIVE DIPLOMACY (yes, not ALL diplomacy is
“evil”!) as well.
It’s clear you hate the USA and I admit over and
fucking over that the US is NOT perfect, and I’m
not even sure a large nation can EXIST being
PollyAnna-ish with the “total transparency” we all
would love (in theory, if only someone can show me
an example of a large state *surviving* TOTAL
transparency).
So, in my opinion More Transparency is GOOD, but
there must be some responsibility.
Your calling me “EVIL” because I am simply from
the US regardless of my vote is dumbshit.
“Your calling me “EVIL” because I am simply from
the US regardless of my vote is dumbshit”
That’s not the impression that I’m getting from Vandor’s posts. But then again, it’s not the first time I’ve miss read his posts.
I have more respect for people who have the balls to be critical of their country, religion and people in the open and not just ‘among friends’.
To me that’s loyalty…loving them/standing up for them/laying it all on the line for them in-spite of their faults.
@Bystander: I’ll forgive your lack of memory, I understand most people can’t cope with too much information nor keep track of who said what, when and to whom.
So just to help remind you: “people like your buddy Erdogan” Do you remember anything about my previous statements about Erdoğan? Good, then I accept your apology in full.
And then, like an animal at a circus, you return to concentrically repeating yourself and your one line of reasoning.
Tell me, despite no adverse effects though responding to criticism levelled at him (along the lines you bleet), given that he chose now to public further releases, but to work with established media organisations, do you not think he addressed your concerns?
You seem to be stuck in a mental rut and can’t re-interpret data based on revised evidence.
Can you, without repeating what you have already said (over and over), state what real and effective danger has arisen due to the leaks and their methods of release.
YOu may want to read this first: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/28/us-embassy-cables-spying-un
I will admit that spying at the U.N. is definitely
“not-cool”… however I am fairly certain that ALL
the large Powers DO this in some form (Russia,
China, even UK, etc.).
This article (and Van) seem to act naively as if
to suggest that Embassies in every country are
actually NOT parts of their Intelligence Services.
Anyone who has even a little knowledge of the
world knows that e.g. every US Embassy has a CIA
Station Chief attached to it. And I would surmise
that every country that’s not a little backwater
completely knows this and has their own
counterpart in *their* embassies. The article
takes the tone that this is “shocking” and this is
all part of the “game.”
That said, I *do* think the US ‘overdid’ it re:
the UN since we are host country and perhaps in
that sense in this one particular instance, the
Wikileak revelation might ‘help’ somehow (as long
as other countries can’t continue THEIR nonsense
either… it’s not fair if we just neuter the US,
and Russia/China/Iran/etc. can go ahead with
theirs).
I do remember Van very grudgingly admitting he
wasn’t a huge fan of Erdogan but I had to PULL it
out of him like pulling teeth.
As to what JA said “I have more respect for people
who have the balls to be critical of their
country, religion and people in the open and not
just ‘among friends’.”… first of all, I think I
am an *example* of someone who DOES this (read my
posts).
So, Van, what IS your country and let’s hear some
criticism of it. I’ve heard NONE here!
@Bystander: Either your memory is letting you down again or you are being completely disingenuous.
You never had to pull my teeth, you simply didn’t ask. Instead you insinuated that I was sympathetic and an avid supporter of Erdoğan. To which I took the trouble to clearly state your implicit question and then answer it. The answer I gave was that I am/was sympathetic to the main opposition leader Kılıçdaroğlu.
Is your memory coming back yet?
On the other question, that of my origins and nationality, I have answered that ad infinitum to a gaggle of sticky beaks and ne’er-do-wells. This will be the last time I repeat this, since a simple bit of psychological profiling would have provided you with enough of an answer anyway (hint, spelling and idioms): I am British, born of Irish parents in England. One of my (many) names is that of a great Irish nationalist. My father was an IRA supporter, I was not. Hence my disdain for any whiff of nationalism.
And before you go off on one. Me and my father argued good and hard on the issues involved (history, politics, economics, language etc…) and respected each other’s point of view. I have yet to meet anyone with as sharp a mind.
Among the many things he taught me was not to pussy foot around avoiding expressing and answering questions directly.
You could have learned a thing or two about that.
“One of my (many) names is that of a great Irish nationalist”
Maud…after Maud Gonne?
Vandorlo,
One bad habit you learned is being a DICK before
it is necessary in a discussion. Perhaps one of
your many problems in life is related to the fact
that you throw the insults WELL before your
opponent does. If you review this thread (and
others) you will see that I began quite *civilly*
with you, whereas you feel it necessary to say
shit like:
“You get weepy with one woman and child, but
122,000 is just a number. Fuck the thousands,
Bystander is crying for the photo opportunity.
Soap Opera TV is your thing.”
Hey just because I love my wife (and don’t really
make a big deal about it here; ONCE in response to
questioning by JA I opened up about it) and you
perhaps HAVE no significant other doesn’t mean you
need to take out all your angst on me and project
whatever you think you need to re: “photo
opportunities” and “Soap Opera TV” (I watch no
such thing)…
This says a lot more about YOU than me.
So, maybe the way you were brought up to argue in
dickish fashion taught *you* some bad social
lessons, because you seem to be the one to get
nasty first (I used to be a fan of yours so always
came at you with respect)… I dont’ really
believe you are capable of maintaining friendships
with people you disagree with on minor points
because you fling the kitchen sink at them.
But hey, this is your problem. It’s one thing to
go wild on an LHVJ or Law, but I think I was civil
with you, and you seem to always revert to
playground insults. Enjoy your misery.
Who is impersonating Vandorlo???
Is it Law?
Is it Ricsi?
Is it Lopott Holmi Visszajar (LHVJ)?
Is it Bob Country Bumpkin?
Is it Stan?
Who is it????
@Bystander: Your memory is terrible. Really, it is terrible.
Do you remember our first discussion of this back in August? Well during that we were being heated, but reasonably civil, but then you turned it around: “Vandorlo, you LIKE this guy? What an a-hole!” Now in the context you had previous (7 days earlier, referred to Assange as an a-hole, so one might assume that this object of your anaphoric reference. However, you left the intentional import of the reference deliberated ambiguous. Either that or you are truly ‘gifted’.
And now you go on about me, with all your pathetic and predictable attempts to use the information I deliberately fed you in as effect way as possible to bolster your meagre, deflated sense of self-worth.
Very poor form.
Look, here is how you play. It’s called a “minimax strategy”. I assume you know what I kow and visa versa. I also assume that you have a complete view of the ‘board’ i.e. you know my possible options for my next move. Given that, you move (write, speak, debate…) such that you minimise any loss (e.g. to self-esteem) while maximise the potential gain (e.g. showing your opponent to be an arse). Get it?
This way, you play like you don’t have all the information. You keep forgetting stuff and when I do give you information you make the simplest, most predictable move.
More than that, you are simply unable to follow a complex discussion with more than one possible line of import.
Try harder.
@Justasking: ‘”One of my (many) names is that of a great Irish nationalist”
Maud…after Maud Gonne?’
I can hear you sniggering from here, but that’s not far off when you are living in mainland UK.
None of what you said made any sense other than that
I called Assange an asshole. So sue me.
Conversation’s getting boring. We’ve said what we
will say. Hasta la vista!
@Vandor,
“I can hear you sniggering from here”
—————-
“Is minic a bhris beal duine a shron.”
Well at least you have a sense of humour. I found that post to be one of my funnier ones
PS: I’m assuming ‘sniggering’ means snickering in English right?
To clarify before I go… are you saying that
because I wrote to you about Assange:
“Vandorlo, you LIKE this guy? What an a-hole!”
… you mean to say that you *honestly* thought
that I was calling *YOU* an “a-hole”? While I
admit it wasn’t my most grammatically clear
sentence ever, I think you might want to ask 5
random people to read that sentence and see who
*they* think I was calling an a-hole.
I find it odd and perhaps revealing that *this*
was what set you oyou had envisioned me playing
some convoluted “minimax strategy” (are you
SHITTING me?!):
“However, you left the intentional import of
the reference deliberated ambiguous.”
Oh, but I’m not clever enough to dabble in this
kind of deliberate-ambiguity! Maybe you projected
this onto *me*, because you actually DO this with
people?! If so, wow, just WOW! I certainly don’t
play games that complicated over a simple opinion
like how I feel about Assange.
If you *truly* believe that I wasn’t just saying
“you LIKE this guy? He’s an a-hole!”… well,
then I’m actually sincerely sorry about the
confusion, I meant ASSANGE is an a-hole.
But holy cow, THAT’s all it took to change
Vandorlo from thoughtful intellectual to stark
raving insult-man?!
I hope you believe my sincerity in trying to clear
this up. However once the insults started rolling
it’s hard to take it back and I must say I don’t
feel quite the same about you as I did before.
I’m sure you don’t really care, so be that as it
may.
@Bystander: “We’ve said what we will say.” Is that a nosism? If not, you are wrong.
I take it, then, you don’t speak my idiolectic idioglossia? Simple English for you then.
OK I guess I was “almost” done. Hopefully you typed
your last comment before reading my previous one.
Note: I made a sincere attempt to clarify in the
post above yours. Feel free to read or ignore.
Bye.
@Bystander: More than decent of you and unlimited apologies in return. I’ll cut out all the nonsense when I can.
I will try to put a lid on my asperger’s (though I only score a measly 23 on the autistic scale, so don’t really have any excuse).
@Justasking: It’s almost the same. Either that or my spelling is just getting worse.
@Bystander,
)
“I think you might want to ask 5 random people to read that sentence and see who *they* think I was calling an a-hole”
——-
“Vandorlo, you LIKE this guy? What an a-hole!”
The way I read that sentence….you were calling Vandor an a**hole.
4 more to go
@Vandor,
“Either that or my spelling is just getting worse”
It’s you…most definitely you. For once it is you and not me. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to celebrate.
Looking at what Bystander had written in the past, it would seem out of character for him to be calling Van an a*hole based on that one difference of opinion (okay 2, if you include Erdogan, or rather, the misreading of Erdogan). When I first saw it, I read it a couple of times to make sure, and finally decided that, given the context of the topic, the history, and probably haste in replying, By was more likely to be referring to Assange than Van.
@JA – Still 4 more to go.
@George,
“Still 4 more to go”
Oh, how typical of you. I’d call you a brown noser…but what would be the point?
@JA – You can call me whatever you want. While it definitely appeared to be written that way, I did not positively conclude that he referred to Van at the time. It would have appeared odd, and out of character for him to say that based on the content of one post.
However, if it was you writing about Jews, Roma, Slovaks, Muslims, etc, etc,……………
@Justasking: On your Irish idiom/proverb, I’d commented on a similar one elsewhere a couple of days ago. Namely, “Ni théann cuileog san mbéal a bhíos dúnta.” (A fly will not go into a mouth that is closed.) This seems pretty close to 言わぬが花 (Iwanu ga hana). Literally translated as “Not speaking is the flower.” Meaning, “Some things are better left unsaid; Silence is golden.” Which, itself is pretty much the same in Hungarian: Hallgatni arany. …
Or there is the Hungarian translation of the Latin philosopher Boethius’s “si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses” i.e.”Ha hallgattál volna, bölcs maradtál volna.” (If you had kept your silence, you would have remained a philosopher.) which people do seem to use a lot around here.
An Estonian friend provided me with the equivalent: Rääkimine hõbe, vaikimine kuld.
And I finally found the Turkish, too: “söz gümüş ise sükut altındır.”
For imafinary, both of the Irish ones are better than the rest.
@ George,
“However, if it was you writing”
Oh, meow!
Down kitty….now retract the claws
@JA – George’s claws retracted thousands of years ago. Now, he just yanks your tail:)
@Elle
You are probably correct about our hero Julian:
Wikileaks founder Julian Assange has close links to the Economist, controlled by the Rothschild banking family
http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/12/01/wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-has-close-links-to-the-economist-controlled-by-the-rothschild-banking-family/
It seems that Julian’s files have nothing embarrassing about Israeli leaders and diplomats.
Julian does not bite the hand that feeds him
@LHVJ: So, let’s just be clear how your ‘mind’ works. If someone gives you an award for something, you are immediately connected to them, and this is a sign you kowtow to them?
Also, the Economist hasn’t been sympathetic to Israeli policy for a while, so is that also part of the cover up?
I don’t know if you know how companies work, but when you don’t have golden shares or a majority/controlling stake, you don’t control a company outright. 50% of the Economist is owned by individuals, some of whom are members of the Rothchilds. So they have a percentage of 50% i.e. they are a minority share holder.
Do you not think that maybe your conjecture is founded on a fairly friable foundation?
@LHVJ: From memory, there were plenty of things that have embarrassed Israel in relation to Wikileaks. What is weird is that Iran’s so called allies in the Arab world, have all been lining up with Israel to have it taken out.
And the US is expecting trouble, so have forewarned Israel of impending embarrassment: http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=196889
It seems that Julian’s files have nothing embarrassing about Israeli leaders and diplomats.
Julian does not bite the hand that feeds him
LHVJ at December 4, 2010 1:07 PM
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From that we can conclude that:
* Amazon.com is not controlled by “the jews”, then Amazon shut down WikiLeaks’ servers Wednesday evening, after been pressured by the Israel-friendly (“jew-loving”) US Senator Joseph Lieberman:
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http://lieberman.senate.gov/index.cfm/news-events/news/2010/12/amazon-severs-ties-with-wikileaks
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“He was one of the Senate’s strongest advocates for continued prosecution of the war in Iraq. He is also an outspoken supporter of the U.S.-Israel relationship. On domestic issues, he strongly supports free trade economics”
(from wiki)
.
* Same thing with PayPal payment services (owned by Ebay), which yesterday shut down WikiLeaks’ accounts, claiming that they have not been pressured to do so. Must mean another non-Jewish business in the world, Right?
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And I who thought the Jews Rule The World, after reading our Little Hussar’s normal “Blame The Jews” for everything including the weather
Funny thing is that the normal “jew-loving” US Senator Joseph Lieberman has not got our Little Hussar’s message
JL does not read politics-hu?
Shocking, when soo many Real Revelations are made here
It’s funny to see how many non-jews are falling over each other trying protect jews. Why?
@reeking idiote:
You don’t know nothin’ – get this TRUTH from your jobo friend Law:
“Law at October 26
Read that you Jewish Cunt Viking!!”
Almost your style …
@ Reeks
Re: “It’s funny to see how many non-jews are falling over each other trying protect jews. Why?”
Because:
“You’ve got to be taught
To hate and fear,
You’ve got to be taught
From year to year,
It’s got to be drummed
In your dear little ear
You’ve got to be carefully taught.
You’ve got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made,
And people whose skin is a diff’rent shade,
You’ve got to be carefully taught.
You’ve got to be taught before it’s too late,
Before you are six or seven or eight,
To hate all the people your relatives hate,
You’ve got to be carefully taught!”
(South Pacific)
Unlike you, some of us were simply not taught to hate people. Blame my parents.
It’s funny to see how many non-jews are falling over each other trying protect jews. Why?
Viking Reeks at December 5, 2010 6:35 PM
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Good question why “jew-loving” US Senator Joseph Lieberman and our Little “jew-hating” Little Hussar is agreeing on that WikiLeaks is bad for ‘Free Speech’ and the US and should be stopped
‘elle’ and Sarah Palin on the same stage screaming “Kill Assange, Kill Assange”
Politics get you strange bedfellows obviously
I don’t really care much for WikiLeaks, no time to read the whole thing. For what I’ve read so far, I don’t think it’s such a big deal. We already know that US politicians and “intelligence” people are not very bright. What else is new?
What troubles me is the overwhelming support for Israel and Jews. No matter what they do, the slightest criticism of their actions will bring up an army of defenders, yelling “racism” and “anti-semitism” and the usual. If you post a message on a US blog or news portal, not supporting the murder of civilians by the IDF, you’re going to get it. People declaring themselves as Christians, conservatives or liberals, all agree on that Israel cannot do wrong, and you’re a communist muslim terrorist anti-semite whatever. Looks like Jews are special, they are shielded from not only the consequences of their wrongdoings, but also from fair public opinion.
What would you say if I protested against any public display of menorahs? You would be up in arms, calling me the usual names.
What if a rabbi protests against the public display of Christmas trees? The trees will be quietly removed. And this happens in a country where 90% of the people celebrate Christmas. Even atheists. I’m not religious, but I like Christmas trees and the Christmas spirit. I don’t praise the baby Jesus, I buy gifts, and bring the family together for a peaceful (if not very healthy) dinner feast.
Anyway, why is one symbol offensive and the other is not?
If you post a message on a US blog or news portal, not supporting the murder of civilians by the IDF, you’re going to get it. People declaring themselves as Christians, conservatives or liberals, all agree on that Israel cannot do wrong, and you’re a communist muslim terrorist anti-semite whatever
Viking Reeks at December 6, 2010 1:45 AM
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1st) Either consult with our Little Hussar which US web-sites to go to where you will not be harassed to call Jews bad names. He has plenty links to those, which he and sometimes ‘elle’ link to
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2nd) Why would we here on politics-hu be interested in the US way of discussions?
You are clearly referring to a US mind-set, mostly not supported by Europeans and Hungary is in Europe last time I checked
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3rd) The main *given* reason for “US Christian Conservatives” (or whatever you want to call those people) to support Israel, is that Israel is the place of Jesus and the Holy Land. Someday there will be the 2nd Coming and for some strange reason it will be on the same place, so it is better the Jews take care of the area and not the Muslims
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4th) On this web-site you will see several posters defending the Right to be a Jew (or whatever you want to be), but attacking the Jewish State of Israel for being a racist, bigot country with a system against its minorities that clearly borders to apartheid
That pro-Israeli parties in Europe, like UKIP, SD (Sweden), call you a Muslim terrorist for doing that – ask them
Reading comprehension is not your forte, Viki.
Obviously you didn’t understand any part of the previous post. You could have simply ignored the message, it was way over your head, but you chose to show off your ignorance and post a dumb response as usual.
“our Little Hussar”
This didn’t have any entertainment value the first time you posted it. If that’s your best effort, maybe you should quit posting altogether.
“Holy Land”
People still believe in this holy crap?
Sad.
Reading comprehension is not your forte, Viki.
Viking Stinks at December 6, 2010 10:45 PM
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You remind me about this story about a Norwegian driving from Oslo to Göteborg (in Sweden).
Suddenly on the radio he could hear a special report:
“Some idiot is driving on the wrong side of the motorway to Göteborg!”
He looked at his wife and said:
“One? There are hundreds of them!”
It seems that Julian’s files have nothing embarrassing about Israeli leaders and diplomats.
Julian does not bite the hand that feeds him
LHVJ at December 4, 2010 1:07 PM
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But Julian Assange/WikiLeaks has given exclusive right to different journalists to distribute wikileaks documents in different part of the world
In Sweden pro-Zionist groups have attacked the WikiLeaks’ rep Johannes Wahlström, then Johannes father is “the wellknown anti-semite Israel Shamir”, who in his turn is WikiLeaks’ rep in Russia
To read what Israel Shamir writes on Our Little Hussar and ‘elle’ and ‘ricsi’ biggest problem, the upcoming war against Iran, Israel Shamir writes this:
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http://www.israelshamir.net/English/Fear_Not.htm
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“Fear of war is not the best adviser. If they want war, give them a war. At home!
Fear Not
By Israel Shamir”
“In the name of profanation the Judeo-Americans go to fight the pious puritans of Persia and the warrior monks of Lebanon, for their faith-based society is impervious to the rot. The Masters could overlook Iranian nuclear reactors, like they overlooked the Pakistani bomb. It is Iranians’ belief in God they can’t tolerate”
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A man clearly in the liking of our resident raving lunatics *and* he is WikiLeaks’ official spokesperson in Russia
Clearly WikiLeaks must be an Israeli under-cover operation…
So sad that Israel Shamir, like US Senator Joseph Biderman, VISA, MasterCard, the Swiss Banks and Paypal just do not just get it
Israel, not Hamas, is responsible for the
“humanitarian catastrophe” in Gaza. Goldstone was
right when he charged that Israel was guilty of war
crimes against civilians.
@Things that make you say Hmmmm
You are so misinformed for someone who spent time on this list
You should know that Israel murdered 1,400 Palestinians, including hundreds of women and children in self-defense. Everything they do is self-defense because they are always the victims, never the perpetrators.
This is the least you should have learned form the Zionazis and their goy servants this list.
@ Reeks
Re: “What would you say if I protested against any public display of menorahs? You would be up in arms, calling me the usual names.
What if a rabbi protests against the public display of Christmas trees? The trees will be quietly removed.”
If you protested against the public display of the menorah I would say you were the flip side of the racist intolerant Rabbi protesting against the Christmas tree ; where exactly was the Christmas tree removed? Can you reference it?
There is no shortage of fanatics in every religion it’s just that people like you focus on Jews and Israel. Try focusing on the convicted priests within the Catholic Church – that would be equally unfair to the millions of the “real Christian Catholics” all over the world – as far as I can see you and your ilk are everything that Christ was against and you dare think of yourselves as “Christians” – unreal.
As a new hobby, you could read the Israeli papers on line; I am sure you could come up with a few serial killers , rapists and child molesters being tried in the Israeli courts , then you could post that “all Jews” are guilty of those crimes.
As long as you keep concentrating on Israel’s present foreign policy, focus on various heinous crimes within its borders, drag in the Holocaust Denial, take a few moments to drag in “Roma crimes” , no one will even notice the internal problems facing Hungary. Oh, happy days
Dumb Olga@ Dallas airport for one,after local arseholes complained! (clue-not muslims).Another free lesson for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdARNM7_MaM
Viking Reeks: “It’s funny to see how many non-jews are falling over each other trying protect jews. Why?”
You are either very new or very funny. These so called “non-jews are falling over each other trying protect jews” are jews.
Have you ever heard of crypto jews?
Here they pose as catholics
Have you ever heard of crypto jews?
Here they pose as catholics
LHVJ at December 11, 2010 5:16 PM
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Have you ever heard of crypto communists?
Here they pose as anti-communists
@ Brilliant Ricsi
You actually thought I would watch a David Duke Video? Yeah, right after I listen to the crazy Rabbi who thinks Christians should serve Jews.
For someone calling me dumb…
Maybe you could round up some more lunatics for “my education into insanity” so I can spend my weekend listening to them just like you and your friends and then I could no longer be considered “anti-Hungarian”
BTW, I just read something about a Baptist Minister in the USA whose followers are protesting at Elisabeth Edward’s funeral but even when they are not involved with protesting, they have rather strange beliefs:
“The fundamentalist congregation hews to an extreme ideology that condemns homosexuality and believes that America’s national misfortunes are a direct result of God’s wrath for failing to condemn gays, Catholics, Jews, and others”
Take out Catholics and you could be right there worshiping with them
@Olga,
“where exactly was the Christmas tree removed? Can you reference it? ”
Actually, lots of places ‘Christmas trees are either removed or called ‘ Holiday trees’ so as not to ‘offend’ people of other religions.
Believe what you want, but where I live, City Hall has been made and decorated as neutral during this/every ‘Holiday Season’. But they do seem to find it okay to light the Menorah in City-Hall, hmmm.
I wonder what’s going to happen in Calgary; they have a newly elected Muslim Mayor and all…I wonder if he will cancel that out, the lighting of the Menorah? I hope so…it’s only fair.
I will say this. I get that people do not believe in my God, my religion etc and I agree that shoving it down peoples throats is not right. But, that should apply to ALL religions and not just some. Christianity seems to be an easy and acceptable target…in my humble opinion of course.
@ Ricsi,
Addressing Olga as @Dumb Olga is beneath you.
Christmas trees have little to do with religion.
They have become a symbol of the holiday spirit, you buy gifts, have a family dinner, and act like civilized people. In WWI even enemies stopped shooting at each other on Christmas Day, came out of the trenches, and had a peaceful moment.
We all need at least one day a year like that.
Jews could just accept that, be happy for the extra Christmas spending and stop complaining and pushing their menorah all over the place.
More than 90% of Americans celebrate Christmas, even atheists, like myself. Have some respect for the sensitivities of the majority for once.
For olga: here’s one rabbi grinch who stole Christmas
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2715008&tqkw
Once you figure out how to use Google, you’ll find lots more. Now go to your local synagogue, and put up a Christmas tree. Good luck.
For olga: here’s one rabbi grinch who stole Christmas
Sandy Claws at December 12, 2010 1:50 AM
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It is here were the story goes wrong, then the linked story is not about a Rabbi demanding the *removal* of the Christmas Tree, but an additional “celebration of Hanukah”
“In 1989, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Christmas trees and menorahs were sufficiently secular that they could be displayed in a government building without constituting an endorsement of a particular religion”
These are US rules and can be interpreted as *both* should be displayed
Just displaying one, could then be interpreted as being a breach of the Law
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The airport’s response to the demand was:
“Port officials apparently found it easier to remove the Christmas trees — about a dozen”
That is a bit like if Rosa Parks’ demand to sit anywhere in the bus, where she damned liked it, would have been answered with a total cancellation of all bus-services in Montgomery, Alabama
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Parks
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But of course ‘ricsi’s’ suck-puppets hate Rosa Parks also, because in the end of the day it is all about White Christian Supremacy, even if the idiots would never make it through the Perly Gates
“White Christian Supremacy”
What’s wrong with that? Do we have to deny our historic achievements only to please the less gifted? Honestly, where would this world be without Greeks, Romans, Persians and Arabs?
Stone age?
“White Christian Supremacy” Do we have to deny our historic achievements only to please the less gifted? Honestly, where would this world be without Greeks, Romans, Persians and Arabs?
White Power at December 12, 2010 11:37 AM
@’Less gifted’ White Power – last I checked, the Greeks, Romans, Persians & Arabs weren’t what you’d consider ‘Christian’.
Just asking@ I am confused,what did I say that was wrong? Is she dumb or highly intelligent? Dumb is the only answer-she chooses not to open her eyes so she is what the yanks call a ‘sheeple’,like a poor,dumb easily led animal.
Sorry you do not like this but such is the truth.
@Viking,
“It is here were the story goes wrong, then the linked story is not about a Rabbi demanding the *removal* of the Christmas Tree, but an additional “celebration of Hanukah”
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Uh..no. You obviously missed this part:
Uh..no. You obviously missed this part
justasking at December 12, 2010 6:38 PM
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No I did not miss it and it just shows that the Port Authority did not want to find any other variant than to cut down the Christmas Trees
If they could pay the workers for that, they could have paid the same workers putting up what ever the Rabbi wanted, then the Rabbi obviously had the Law on his side
The Political responsible for the Port Authority should be charged with neglect of duty, then they obviously missed following the Law and ended up spending the tax payers money without enough effect
Port Authorities have to obey the law also
Anyway this happened in 2006 and I assume they have some Christmas decorations in the years that followed?
” they could have paid the same workers putting up what ever the Rabbi wanted”
Right. And next time the same rabbi will sue them for working on the sabbath, or not selling enough kosher food, or not obeying every stupid rule in their holy book. If someone finds Christmas trees offensive, they should explain why. I’d like to hear one good reason for that.
Accommodating the sensitivities of every minority would be impossible. PC has gone too far already.
It’s quite unfortunate that frivolous lawsuits can be so costly, only jews can afford them. It would have been interesting to see the case go on trial. You are not allowed to celebrate a national holiday in your own country? What’s next?
@ Sandy Claws and Justasking
Sandy Claws – What????
I read the article you posted and Ricsi cannot be accused of “twisting the truth” because there was a total absence of truth. So Ricsi lied and I am shocked because it’s like finding out there was no Santa so I hope you are happy that you ruined my faith and trust in him.
@ Justasking – I totally agree with you about Christmas Trees and find it ridculous and insulting to call them “Holiday Trees”
I can’t remember what happened at Toronto City Hall when the “Holiday Tree” issue was brought up a few years ago, but the most vocal critics of this ridiculous name change were Muslim and Jewish, pointing out that negating an honoured Christian tradition serves no purpose other than encouraging a backlash against all non-Christians.
Someone sent me an email titled “Tragic News from the North” but I can’t post a picture, but I found it on an internet website; take a look.
http://www.delawareliberal.net/2008/12/23/tragic-news-from-the-north/
@Olga,
“Tragic News from the North” but I can’t post a picture, but I found it on an Internet website; take a look.”
Now that was funny. I needed that belly laugh after the Christmas shopping I did today. Thanks.
f someone finds Christmas trees offensive, they should explain why. I’d like to hear one good reason for that
Sandy Claws at December 12, 2010 10:42 PM
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No one, including your Rabbi, complained about the Christmas Tree, so stop muddling the waters
It is up to you to show that the Rabbi actually attacked the Christmas Tree, which you still have not done
What that Rabbi wanted, was the implementation of US rules, because this was in the US and not Hungary
US Supreme Court already in 1989 ruled that Christmas Trees and menorahs were were sufficiently secular that they could be displayed in a government building without constituting an endorsement of a particular religion
Demanding that the menorah should then be displayed beside a Christmas Tree was then, from a *legal* point of view, not a religious thing
The Port Authority fucked up and was corrected
Obviously they have fixed the problem all Christmases since 2006, which is the Christmas your article was about
It is terrible when different Authorities are reminded to implement the laws and rules that they should obey?
@ Viking
What is terrible that a Christmas tree, a symbol of “Peace on Earth” is being used as a vehicle to spread religious intolerance.
These people must be busy with google searches for “Rabbi and Christmas Tree” to come up with all this
I posted this statement from a Baptist Minister yesterday whose Church was picketing Elizabeth Edwards’ funeral and believe “that America’s national misfortunes are a direct result of God’s
wrath for failing to condemn gays, Catholics, Jews, and others”
No outrage against a crazy Baptist Minister but if he were a Rabbi, there would be some interest.
Maybe Ricsi could substitute “Baptist Minister” to “Rabbi” and substitute “Hungarian” for “American” and all his friends can bask in the glory of hate and intolerance standing around their Christmas tree and completely ignore what Christmas is really all about.
“America’s national misfortunes are a direct result of God’s wrath for failing to condemn gays, Catholics, Jews, and others”
olga at December 13, 2010 3:26 PM
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Yes, based in Topeka, Kan., Westboro Baptist Church (WBC) is an unaffiliated church led by the Rev. Fred Phelps, and attended mostly by some 70 members of the extended Phelps family
Makes you wonder if they have nice family dinners?
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Other things these people are known for is picketing the funerals of US Soldiers fallen in the Middle-East, gay people killed in typical hate crimes and people died in AIDS
To the parents of the latter they normally send a celebration-card that the world has lost a sinner
Just to cheer up the Parents
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Together with the Lords Resistance Army (LRA) and paedophile priests, these guys gives Christians a Good Name
A bit similar to how Al-Qaeda gives Muslims a Good Name
@Viking,
“What that Rabbi wanted, was the implementation of US rules”
No he didn’t…he wanted representation of the Jewish faith along side the Christmas Tree and threatened legal action if he didn’t get his way.
The Airport was in compliance with this US ruling. The problem occurred when all of this blew up in this Rabbi’s face and they pulled the tress down. He had to do some back peddling so as not to look like the caddy dumb*ss that he is. I didn’t work if you ask me.
Hey, is it me or does this Rabbi sound allot like American in Pest; you know…petty and vindictive? I bet they’re one and the same…
he wanted representation of the Jewish faith along side the Christmas Tree and threatened legal action if he didn’t get his way
justasking at December 13, 2010 4:56 PM
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And obviously the Rabbi was correct, or otherwise the Dallas Native Indians would have requested a Totem-pole for next Christmas and the Port Authority would have taken down the Christmas Trees *and* the menorahs…
And the year after the Swedish Congregation in Dallas, being a very visible minority would have requested a full Sized “Gävle Goat” and with that on place, they would had to move the airport, then no planes could land/take off
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%A4vle_goat
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So my bet is that the Rabbi had legal support for his claims and the Port Authority just obstructed, to shift the blame
@Viking,
“Dallas Native Indians would have requested a Totem-pole for next Christmas and the Port Authority would have taken down the Christmas Trees *and* the menorahs…
And the year after the Swedish Congregation in Dallas, being a very visible minority would have requested a full Sized “Gävle Goat”
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You’re right, everybody from all walks of life seemed to be have been satisfied with a neutral tree representing Peace on Earth for the last 25 years, until one whinny Rabbi just had to take it one step further. Yeah, no personal agenda there…
What did the Rabbi say he wanted…the Menorah to add light to the season? What for? Didn’t the tree have lights on it?
@White Power (aka RICSI) who wrote:
“White Christian Supremacy”…What’s wrong with
that? Do we have to deny our historic achievements
only to please the less gifted? Honestly, where
would this world be without Greeks, Romans,
Persians and Arabs? Stone age?”
Thanks for just coming out and stating your real
agenda in the simplest, quickest way, once and for
all for us here at POLITICS.HU.
WHITE POWER. THAT IS ALL.
Really, why bother with anything more? The rest
is just details, isn’t it, Ricsi?
Re: the Christmas tree stories, etc. I can only
speak for America, but you all should know that
2006 was like the “high water mark” for the fake-
shock-They-Want-To-Kill-Christmas panic here in my
country re: Menorahs etc. There were very few
‘real’ incidents (and I would advise the odd
misguided rabbi from 2006 to ‘just chill out’).
I believe that since 2006 with all the sham-
outrage vented on Fox News and the like
http://www.buydirectworld.com/detail/p_1595230165/
Best-deal-The-War-on-Christmas–How-the-Liberal-
Plot-to-Ban-the-Sacred-Christian-Holiday-Is-Worse-
Than-You-Thought-onsale.html
that any idiots making a big deal about removing a
Christmas tree from public property learned
quickly how stupid they were and how
counterproductive such a stupid idea IS.
If anyone thinks there is a lot of this STILL
going on in 2010/11, I would challenge you all to
put up the links, or else shut up.
@ JA
Re: “until one whinny Rabbi just had to take it one step further. Yeah, no personal agenda there…”
Of course the Rabbi had a personal agenda – he wanted to to get “equal billing” and under the law he had that right and yes, it did backfire since the intent was not to remove the Christmas tree.
If the Airport Authority explained to the Rabbi there was no enough lead time to get a proper Menorah that year but would do so the following year and the Rabbi still wanted to sue, that would be a totally different story – but unless that was the case, I don’t see the big deal.
I see a big deal about the Baptist Minister’s evil protests at loved ones’ funerals and rejoicing at their deaths. (Of course I did hear from reliable sources his paternal grand-father was Jewish and his maternal grand-mother was Roma, so what can you expect?)
@Olga,
“If the Airport Authority explained to the Rabbi there was no enough lead time to get a proper Menorah that year but would do so the following year and the Rabbi still wanted to sue, that would be a totally different story ”
Why do they have to explain anything? The Airport Authority violated nothing. Besides, the guy requested an 8 foot Menorah…for Christ Sake!
The US Supreme Court ruled in 1989 and I quote…”Christmas trees and menorahs were sufficiently secular that they could be displayed in a government building without constituting an endorsement of a particular religion”
Where do they say that every public building must present both sides equally? Nowhere.
I can just imagine how this all unfolded. The Rabbi, getting off a plane from God knows where, sees a Christmas tree and gets pissed off.
With his knickers in a knot, demands that the Airport Authority erect an 8 foot Menorah because he felt discriminated against and if they did not comply by such and such time he was going to sue their ass. I’m can bet you dollars to donuts anti-Semitism was thrown into the conversation a couple of times by him as well.
Why else would he just ‘happen’ to have a lawyer ready to proceed with legal actions?
The Airport Authority, in violation of nothing, cuts off their nose to spite their face, yanks down the trees and the story gets leaked to the local TV station.
And several years later it makes it’s way to Politics.hu to be debated
Where do they say that every public building must present both sides equally? Nowhere
justasking at December 14, 2010 2:09 AM
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True, but you do not need to have a very big degree in US law to expect that you could find a court that would be sympathetic to the demand to have both on displayed, then the Supreme Court 15 years earlier ruled that both symbols were equal non-religious
Of course that specific Rabbi had his own agenda (of which can be said a lot), but the Port Authority obviously behaved like a spoilt child and decided to make a political manifestation of the whole thing, to push their point (and maybe the political climate in the US in 2006 guided the Port Authority, as Bystander points out)
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That the demand was an 8-foot menorah must be related to how big the Christmas Trees were
In the US the Christmas Trees tend to be a bit big, so it is no reason to believe that any of the chopped down trees were less than 8-foot
And the thing is – what is on display on the Dallas Airport today?
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If the Montgomery Public Bus Company had cancelled all bus service in response to Rosa Parks demand to sit where she wanted in the bus, would that have made Rosa Parks’ demand *less* valid?
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Just because the IDF stormed and killed several Freedom Flotilla activists earlier this year, did that make the Freedom Flotilla’s aim less honourable?
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We should not judge any action on the reaction it creates
We should merit the action in itself
@ Viking and JA
Sounds like there were 14 Christmas trees and they were all put back, the Rabbi didn’t sue and everyone lived happily after – btw, he never asked for the tree(s) to be taken down
“The group, which had never asked for the trees to be removed, was accused by some of trying to steal Christmas. It quickly dropped its talk of a lawsuit and joined those asking the airport to bring back the trees. That, the airport said, freed it to put them back up.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D04E6DD1531F930A25751C1A9609C8B63
Talking about lawsuits, I wonder how Oszkar Molnar’s libel suit is coming along? Poor man’s reputation is at stake, so I hope his name has been cleared by now after he proved his allegations against those pregnant women. I worry about his good name.
@Olga:
Thanks for this link – it is typical for the likes of “sandy claws” to come up with a crazy story like that and not following it through …
And the jobo idiots of course go foaming at the mouth when they read that crap …
A typical example of what Law calls “Truth” …
@ Wolfi
In order to come up with a 2006 article, these people must put “Rabbi and Christmas Tree” on a google search.
Everyone on our street has decorated their house with outdoor lights and the neighbourhood looks beautiful once it gets dark (unfortunately it’s dark by 5 p.m.) Most people including us, place the Christmas trees near windows so everyone driving by can see them all lit up and you can feel the Christmas spirit everywhere you go.
It so happens that none of our neighbors are Jewish but if people put an 8 foot Menorah on their lawn, I can assure you it would not be a topic of conversation.
wolfi was spotted the other day at the local church demanding that the “Nativity Scene” be replaced. He wants a “negativity scene” instead. Vona on a crucifix would do, he said. wolfi is such an intolerant hatemonger.
Anyone up to a trip to Tel Aviv Airport? We could check out how many Christmas trees are there, how big they are, and then ask the management politely to put a few 50 foot Christmas trees in central locations, or else!
Imagine the reaction. Lynch mob, arrest, torture, terrorist treatment, the works.
@ Benny
Here you go – I put “Tel Aviv and Christmas Tree” on a google search and look what happened
You must feel like a total jerk.
http://travel.mapsofworld.com/israel/tel-aviv-tours/christmas-in-tel-aviv.html
olga, my child. The Lord didn’t bless you with much brainpower. You posted a link to a travel site, they want you to go to Tel Aviv and spend your filthy money there, that’s all.
If you find a credible report on the number of menorahs and Christmas tree on the premises of the airport, please share it with us.
Dearest Benny
I wish the Lord blessed me with as much patience as He gave Viking.
The story was about Tel Aviv celebrating Christmas
so here you go , article from the Jerusalem Post- my last google search; before you apoligise (I peg you for the kind of person who will) it’s about Chritmas Trees and Christmas celebrations in Israel so do not look for the word “Airport” or “Tel Aviv” -
http://www.jpost.com/GreenIsrael/PEOPLEANDTHEENVIRONMENT/Article.aspx?id=198763
BTW, my girlsfriend’s husband was working as an engineer in Saudi for a 12 year period and she told me her friends brought in 1/3rd of an artificial Christmas tree in their suitcases every time they visited Canada and the USA until they had a full tree. If they were searched, they said the 1/3rd of a tree was a “plant”
I am not sure if Christmas trees are against the law or if the employees simply don’t want to draw attention to their trees but I think you should concentrate on the Arab countries because there is really not much to bitch about Christmas celebrations in Israel. Maybe you could concentrate on an Isreali murderer, child molestor, wife beater – I am sure there are plenty of examples if you look hard enough.
Our Catholic neighbour and her Protestan husband ( I know how important these details are) just came back from a trip that covered Israel and Egypt and a lot of Christians from Canada visit Israel – what a loss to the country that you won’t be one of them
@olga:
We have just bought a small (2 feet high) plastic tree which we’ll give away as a present to someone in the family (decorated with money for them to buy something they need …), but I helped my wife decorate several trees in our garden with those hundreds of little lights – like all our neighbours – even though we’re both Atheists.
How come the Sandy Claws and Ricsis here DON’T
ever criticize Saudi Arabia?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6749065/ns/world_news/
“Saudi Arabia has stated publicly that its policy
is to protect the right of non-Muslims to worship
privately. However, Defense Minister Prince Sulta
also stressed that the kingdom would never allow
churches to be built.
Earlier this year, Sheik Ibrahim al-Ghaith, chief
of the powerful religious police, said Saudi
Arabia would never allow public displays of non-
Muslim faith.
The State Department said in 1993 that “non-
Muslim worshippers risked arrest, lashing and
deportation for engaging in overt religious
activity that attracts official attention.”
…
Medical workers say some Saudi patients refuse to
take some medications because they mistake the
cross-like indentation in tablets for religious
crosses.
… Small statues of Buddha are confiscated at
airports, and Buddha pictures on a popular CD have
been colored over.
…
The State Department report said non-Muslim clergy
were not allowed to enter the country to conduct
religious services, although some come “under
other auspices.”
…A store owner was detained for promoting
witchcraft because he carried such Halloween
decorations as scary masks and witches’ hats.
Christmas cards are sold under the counter and
only in very few stores… One florist told
customers that several dozen fresh trees from
Holland were intercepted at the airport, hacked to
pieces and then sent back to Holland.”
Wolfi your nothing but a piece of shit!
@Law:
Coming from the mouth of the biggest loonie here I take that as a compliment …
This is the type of “argument” that I really like – because it shows that you have nothing worthwhile to say and it shows everybody what kind of animal (I can’t write “person” here) you are …
You made my day!
Wolfi your nothing but a piece of shit!
Law at December 14, 2010 6:03 PM
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No, no
That type of talking is not allowed during Prime Time in Hungary (check the time in your computer (6:03 PM)
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http://www.politics.hu/20101214/tv-crime-reporting-restricted
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Prime Time morning and evening we should all concentrate on being *positive*
And thinking warm things on Orban and Vona in a hot situation
wolfi says: “You made my day!”
The last one I hope.
Jud Süß (aka. by-boy) says: “How come the Sandy Claws and Ricsis here DON’T ever criticize Saudi Arabia?”
Simple. I don’t like the Saudis too much, but at least they are not all over the place, trying to look bigger than they really are. I have no problems with their policy: no churches there. We should do the same: no minarets or synagogues or any other public display of affection for foreign gods here. We have already established that Christmas and the trees that go with it are not religious symbols, I’m as atheist as the next guy, I still like and celebrate Christmas. How’s that?
olga says: “do not look for the word “Airport” or Tel Aviv”.
No cigar.
Your assignment was to bring us evidence on Christmas trees at the Tel Aviv airport. Try again. Hint: people trying to give away trees means nothing more, than people trying to give away trees. Any takers? Public institutions showing their religious tolerance and the urge to please minorities? No?
@Viking:
“Warm” thinking is also not allowed – you surely know that “melleg” has the same meaning as “warm” in German …
So calling Vona and Orban “warme Brüder” might get you into jail – or if the jobos here have their way: directly to the next lamppost …
Christmas time here on this site promises to be really interesting – but this is just a kind ov “Virtual Life” – in reality most Hungarians are really nice people.
When I close my notebook I instantly forget all those loonie racist homophobic idiot mü-Magyars and have fun with my friends and neighbours …
Bystander jew boy@ I hate the Saudis,second only to Israhell,they are probably the most arrogant,corrupt regime on earth,but guess what? They have oil and the US loves them for it!
As for what they do in there country-Its there country,get it? let them ban trees,alcohol etc…
but the US is not Israhell and it is a disgrace to see them and many EU countries cowtoe to a parasite non-nation like Israel. Still remember Karma? Those fires are only the beginning…….:) Good times are coming soon…
@ricsi:
How was your trip ?
http://www.fpp.co.uk/wolfslair/
“Book now for David Irving’s week-long September 2010 guided tour of Hitler’s Headquarters and other historic sites.”
@ Benny
You didn’t make any sense – the point of the Christmas tree-Menorah fiasco at the US Airport in 2006 had to do with an American legal decision. There is no evidence that Israel or Hungary for that matter has similar laws but I know that’s just minor details considering your agenda.
Re: “Anyone up to a trip to Tel Aviv Airport? We could check out how many Christmas trees are there, how big they are, and then ask the management politely to put a few 50 foot Christmas trees in central locations, or else! ”
Rather dramatic example – there were 14 Christmas trees on display at the Airport and the request was for one 8ft Menorah but I do appreciate your sense of drama and making a big f…ing deal out of nothing while comparing legislation in one country to non-existing legislation in another.
Nice to know you are an atheist, less nauseating for someone like you to be racist then someone claiming to be “a Christian” and making a mockery of everything that Christ stood for and be consumed with hate for the Jewish people. I assume you got the memo that Christ was not Jewish, but it was quite a shock to me and all the main stream church leaders still pretend the memo got lost.
When I was curious to see if Christmas was celebrated in Israel or not, I came across a video. Note (1) the size of the tree (2) Christians Muslims and Jews donated the bottles
Have a nice Christmas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_mJDOocHLQ
olga gets an F on her Christmas tree report.
@Ricsi
It seems like our wikileaks hero published something compromising and nasty about everyone except Israel. We know that the only reason our wikileaks hero did not publish anything compromising or nasty about Israel because there is nothing to publish. At least that is what our wikileaks hero would have us believe.
I am still not sure what his sponsors; the Rothschild bankers are trying to do but creating a chaos could serve them and Israel well. Maybe a profitable war or two to pay for the funding extended to our wikileaks hero.
The authenticity of published material seems to be OK but as with everything else, I am not satisfied with only part of the truth. A half-truth is a lie and when we only get the dirt on everyone but Israel, it has to be for some purpose. Only time will tell.
It seems like our wikileaks hero published something compromising and nasty about everyone except Israel. We know that the only reason our wikileaks hero did not publish anything compromising or nasty about Israel because there is nothing to publish. At least that is what our wikileaks hero would have us believe
LHVJ at December 15, 2010 5:48 AM
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Our Little Hussar is confused:
a) WikiLeaks did not publish anything bad about Israel
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b) *Every* country mentioned so far has come out and stated basically “WikiLeaks did not publish anything bad about our country”
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c) Remember this leak, EmbassyCables, are US internal documents. Maybe the US has nothing bad to say about Israel?
That Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu is described as a “nice person that you cannot trust” falls of course back on item b)
(The current Swedish Foreign Minister and partner with the now deceased Richard Holbrook, was described as “a medium sized dog, with a big dog’s attitude”)
Maybe the US Administration does not hate Israel?
Should the missing of more juicy bits on the US Administrations hatred for Israel not be a reason to attack the US Administration and not WikiLeaks?
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Our Little Hussar continues his kuruc-info angle to always complain about Israel, regardless the question/debate
Even ‘ricsi’ has given up the Israeli-angle and promoting a Canadian retired Professor who clearly has, what Our Little Hussar would normally claim, “pro-communists views”
The two cannot get their act together any more
olga,
Guess what I found in Abu Dhabi. An $11 million Christmas tree:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/elkenmelken/4251135125/
See if your rabbi can put a menorah next to it.
@ Sandy Claws
What a fabulous picture!
I spoke to my Rabbi ( he wasn’t hard to find since I am married to him) and it appears that unlike in the States, there is no legislation stating that public buildings ought to display both the Christmas Tree and the Menorah, therefore I have disappointing news for you.
Do not despair – one of my son’s closest friend is from Lebanon and he may move to Dubai
to work with his Dad and if he does, my son will be visiting him for a couple of weeks this spring.
Knowing how important this issue is to you and I I shall persuade him to speak to the Federal Nation Council and discuss constitutional amendments to draft a new law to make sure that
the tree will have a Menorah next to it in 2011.
Thank you for bringing the matter to my attention; you are a real pal.
@sandy with claws:
If you “found” the tree, what about sharing the loot ? My take will be just 10 % …
“what about sharing the loot ?”
I don’t steal, like you and your friends.
I think it’s mighty neighborly of an Islamic state to display such a nice Christmas tree.
@clueless sandy:
“I don’t steal, like you and your friends”
You seem to know a lot about my friends – or maybe not …
From the Wiki Page on Abu Dhabi on why they are
not a strict Islamic state:
“The majority of the inhabitants of Abu Dhabi are
expatriate workers from India, Pakistan, Eritrea,
Ethiopia, Somalia, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka,
Philippines, the United Kingdom and various
countries from across the Arab world.
Consequently, English, Hindi, Urdu, Tamil,
Tigrinya, Amharic and Bengali are widely spoken.
Apart from Urdu and Hindi spoken by Indians and
Pakistanis, many South Asian expatriates also
contribute other South Asian languages to the
cultural milieu, including Malayalam, the main
language spoken in the state of Kerala.”
Now this is the part that Sandy Claws should take
note of because I’ll bet he didn’t realize how
much has in common with his idols over in the UAE:
“The native-born population are Arabic-speaking
Gulf Arabs who are part of a clan-based
society.”
Hey Sandy! You and your KKK friends would be
right at home there in their “KLAN BASED SOCIETY”!
“You and your KKK friends”
KKK or JDL. What’s the difference?
I don’t like either one, but at least the KKK is peaceful.