Government MPs would increase the quota of Hungarian songs on radio to 40%, quart.hu reports. Former radio host and TV news presenter István Pálffy and two other Fidesz MPs have submitted an amendment to the media bill aiming to increase the quota from 25%. The lower quota is included in the original version of the bill submitted by the government last month. Pálffy, László L. Simon and Zoltán Németh would specify that playing the same song three times does not count in the quota. Another change compared to the original bill is that at least 25% of Hungarian songs played could not be older than five years, compared to the three years in the original text. So my question is, how should the administrators at the radio stations mark up the 1980 version of the clearly American-derived (and partly English-language) “Casino Twist” by Hungária?
Let’s all play the Hungarian political cultural quota twist!
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It would not be accounted for under the part that text/music made by non-Magyar Hungarian citizens are not to be included in the quota
well this will make internet radio very popular, why don’t the morons go all the way and ban all music that has foreign influence, at least that would get rid of all that pathetic Magyar pop
If this will not pull out Hungary from the recession, nothing will. Next stop: Depression.
God forbid, if a person were to hear Hungarian music played on the radio in Hungary.
How dare they even suggest such a thing?
This is by Hungarian rock band with heart and
meaningful ballads
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=g86bz6d95b4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=wuNC3Wcgtg8&feature=related
This is awesome, Ismerős Arcok – Árnyéknak lenni
Poor Law – can’t even put up a correct url – should we help him ?
I say NO!
Law that was just some western piano pop with Hungarian lyrics. If you want the real deal try some Csík Zenekar. This tune (Most múlik pontosan) had everyone at Zöld Pardon signing and swaying last June.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6RaU9n4ZuI
Authentically Hungarian rhythms and scales.
And who can resist Beata Palya: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zd4WA5qCig
We prefer this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2peI7Cz2yb0&feature=related
Charlie is great!
How about Szalóki Ági’s Gingalló for highlighting the beautiful vowel sounds of the Hungarian language:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVq33WajXsQ&feature=related
@Pete H,
“And who can resist Beata Palya”
I bloody well can…YUK!
_________________
1.Magna Cum Laude – Pálinka Dal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CinPyf08a4&feature=fvw
Magna Cum Laude – Vidéki Sanzon
I’m trying to figure out how to attach Hungarian Music videos from u-tube to this post. If it doesn’t work, check out these guys…they are absolutely fantastic!
Okay, now I’ve figured it out. Here some Hungarian music I personally think rivals anything coming out of North America, UK etc.
2.Magna Cum Laude – Vidéki Sanzon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pPwckLQ3BU
I love this band:
3.Kis Tehén – Szajbergyerek
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6yfcj98zKA&feature=related
Some more Hungarian Music, okay an little older, but still good:
1.Belga – De szar itt élni
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqtHubfC04w&feature=related
2.Belga – Készüljél fel a hangulatra
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbUWCsFkMms&feature=related
JA, then just for you a little more:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7IO0yrdv3k&feature=related
and: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzZgQO43_gA&feature=related
1.Kaukazus – Teszko
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0spnt6zFxEY&feature=related
@ Pete H,
)
Wow! Given the music you like to listen too, I bet your a real animal…ARRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
But a well rested one…the music you listen to would put a normal person to sleep
Well let’s hope that additional 30% is not drawn from the western derivative pop that JA has been posting (excepting Kis Tehén). Sorry JA, but most of that is the same pop crap you hear in the US, just with Hungarian lyrics. Little Cow, nothing like it on this side of the Atlantic. Thanks for them.
And if you want real punk (not the spoiled western drug addict brat variety) than there is no more authentic punk than the underground, get you locked up in the Gulag punk, produced by the likes of Kontroll Csoport. These guys had to play under the risk of arrest and it was illegal to own their music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEUC8hSr0pI
Here’s the deal: if there are enough people who can tolerate Hungarian pop music, let them have their own radio station. Regulating the percentage is just silly. Might as well do the Putin thing: all media is required to publish at least 50% good news. How do you manage to come up with so much good news (or good Hungarian music)? Or good imported contemporary music? Who needs radio gaga?
Isn’t radio obsolete altogether?
Maybe Zara keeps you awake?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU1zVq3E_D8
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It was a big hit at the time
Thanks Viking, she really rocked! Well she csárdás’ed at least.
Yeah, I have to agree with you. And how will they decide if it is Hungarian music? So, where will Budapest’s, Mookie Brando and the Second Cousins fit in with their Canadian born frontman? The 40% or the other 60%?
Thanks you all for the cool Hungarian music links
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I think for the most part I’m liking JA’s taste so
far… especially liked the ‘Magna Cum Laude -
Pálinka Dal’ and the ‘Kis Tehén – Szajbergyerek’.
I hated the Belga…
Normally I agree with a lot of what Pete H. says
around here, but re: his pointing out of what is
‘derivative’ vs. ‘native’ Hungarian music, to ME
it seems he has it all backwards…
While yes, some of JA’s links were a bit
derivative (e.g. Belga), and Pete’s last two links
were cool; I like that Bea more when she has a
backup band; gives it more “Hungarianism”…
But, Pete, first that Kontroll Csoport was
*totally* Brit-derivative ska-punk-stylee,
totalllly, and re: ” If you want the real deal try
some Csík Zenekar. This tune (Most múlik pontosan)
had everyone at Zöld Pardon signing and swaying
last June. Authentically Hungarian rhythms and
scales.“…
May I present Exhibit A? I liked that song much
better when it was originally composed by Joan
Baez and called “Diamonds and Rust”!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGMHSbcd_qI
Compare the vocal melody… Sounds to ME like Csík
lifted that puppy *wholesale* from Ms. Baez…
“Authentic Hungarian Rhythms” may have been
overlaid, but the core is American Folk all the
way (in my opinion).
Does anyone know of a Hungarian equivalent, to say
Gogol Bordello? I’m looking for something like
THAT myself! Thanks in advance!
Maybe a bit OT:
40 years ago John Lennon was murdered.
And maybe even more OT:
“ROCK MUSIC AND ALIESTER CROWLEY
Aliester Crowley is without a doubt, the main spiritual “teacher” of rock music. Crowley’s mission in life was to destroy Jesus Christ and Christianity, while exalting sex perversion, drugs, magick and Satan. ”
Just look here:
http://www.av1611.org/othpubls/roots.html
Just wait until Law and LYNCH read this …
“Modern electronic-rock music, inaugurated in the early 1960s, is, and always has been, a joint enterprise of British military intelligence and Satanic cults. On the one side, the Satanists control the major rock groups through drugs, sex, threats of violence, and even murder. On the otherside, publicity, tours, and recordings are financed by record companies connected to British military intelligence circles. Both sides are intimately entwined with the biggest business in the world, the international drug trade.”
So everybody be careful …
I like Wolfi’s thinking… definitely British
intelligence started Rock Music! I hear Buddy Holly
and Chuck Berry were closet MI6ers, you can take
that to the bank!
Anyway Crowley did inspire some good music…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSnj8X1zAZI
@ Yeah,
“Here’s the deal: if there are enough people who can tolerate Hungarian pop music, let them have their own radio station.”
I agree…if you want to hear Hungarian pop music go to Hungary and listen to it there! D’OH
Well I have to listen to many radio stations here sometimes (when I can’t avoid it) – but most of them just play the usual pop crap,
It’s not often that I hear something I like – probably because I’m an old geezer and prefer “real” rock or soul or blues from the good old days (or rather good old groups – some of them still going strong today like Eric Clapton or Steve Winwood or Tom Petty or …).
So I wouldn’t mind if they played more Hungarian pop – but there surely is not enough of that for so many channels – either all stations would have to play the same pieces or they’d have to repeat after a day or two …
It’s really a silly proposal …
BTW: The French tried something similar years ago – don’t know what came out of that …
PS: Maybe the next step will be to publish and force people to read more books by Hungarian authors …
@ Pete H,
)
Actually, I’m not into punk music…if I like a song, I like a song. I will admit to swaying towards R&B.
I know these next songs will have you wanting to puke…but who cares, I like them.
Caramel – Mennem kell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQtO7eVDBno
Emilio: Ne nézz vissza rám
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqGZkTaw8gk
Ya know…listening to music doesn’t have to be a religious experience all the time. Sometimes it’s nice just to drive around with windows down and the stereo blaring.
Just do me a favour…don’t tell anyone these guys are Gypsies okay? I have a reputation to uphold
Bystander, “But, Pete, first that Kontroll Csoport was
*totally* Brit-derivative ska-punk-stylee,
totalllly”
I agree with the musical style part, but what is authentic is that it is borne of a real Hungarian experience and has that Magyar angst.
I don’t see a strong link between the Baez song and the Csík Zenekar song – not a wholesale lift at least.
Magyar Gogol Bordello? (on top of my alpine skiing playlist) Nothing I know that has their punk energy, but there is a band that is popular in Budpapest, Besh O Drom, that is part of the whole Balkan Beats scene in Europe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afTG78pgl-0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7wx05qGlI8&feature=related
Tame compared to Gogol.
JA, actually watching someone do softcore Rap, complete with gestures, in Hungarian didn’t make me puke, it made me laugh. Those Roma dudes shouldn’t stray that far from their musical roots.
Yes, I admit I am a music snob. If I don’t see angels on Ariels in leather and chrome, swooping down from heaven to carry me home, in the music, I’m just not happy.
@Pete H,
“Yes, I admit I am a music snob”
Yeah, well I’m not…lifes too short.
So while your snuggling up to a $ 200.00 bottle of Bordeaux, waiting for your Angles…picture in your head a VW buzzing down a Freeway and a couple of kids gyrating in their booster seats to this song:
Dupla KÁVÉ Aki rózsát kap
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8SGQ3gUnoc
Ooppss typo: meant to write angels
)
Thanks for more links you all! Will have to check
those babies out manana, but I’ve been looking for
good Hungarian music for awhile now (besides the old
classical stuff) –
Nice to be talking Hungary without the anger-
angle…
Excuse me, I thought I was reading politics.hu but I seem to have accidentally stumbled into pestiside?
Oh wait, no, you’ve just misplaced this “funny” article in the “journalism” section.
@James: Indeed, truly it is sometimes hard to know
when the doings of politicians are so ridiculous it
deserves to end up in the “funny pages.”
JA, “So while your snuggling up to a $ 200.00 bottle of Bordeaux”. You’ve got me in the wrong income bracket, I’m more likely to be snuggling up with a can of Budweiser.
@Pete H,
” I’m more likely to be snuggling up with a can of Budweiser”
Oh…um…wow. So, what kind of music ‘snob’ can a person be drinking beer? Country and Western?
Ridiculous. Now a radio station can’t decide what it thinks its listeners want to hear? It will be interesting to see how the classical stations deal with this intrusion, if they are required to comply.
“ALL Bartok and Liszt… ALL the time on WHUN!”
It will be interesting to see how the classical stations deal with this intrusion, if they are required to comply.
Donian at December 9, 2010 4:18 PM
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Rumours have it Franz Liszt aka Ferencz Liszt, in modern use Ferenc Liszt, aka Franz Ritter von Liszt, was Hungarian, so there will be a “revival”
Then Hungary traditionally seen as the home of Gypsies, all Gypsy-operas will probably be allowed, even in original German and Italian languages, just to widen the spectrum
An alternative would be the now defunct Szlager-Radio when it started had 50 or so songs it repeated around the hour, with no human intervention
It worked for them, but none was in Hungarian
What about TV ?
There are more than 50 stations in Hungary – if they have to show more than 10 % Hungarian films etc we’ll see my favorite films like “A Tanu” or “üvegtigris” at lest once a week …
My old copy of Für Elise (I mean Erzsikéhez) shows Bétóven Lajos as the composer. Another Hungarian you didn’t know about.
Politics.hu should impose language-quotas, at least
40% of comments here should be in Hungarian.
What is happening with the FIDESZ ?
Do they believe that the Hungarian nation (or
ethnicity ?) will fall apart if they don’t prop it
with such restrictive laws ? Is this an identity
crisis (globalization effect) ?
Dear Romanian,
The question you ask is relevant, not only in Hungary but in many many other countries as well.
As the local Hollywood historian around here, I can attest that America’s entertainment industries(movies, music and TV) met considerable resistance in many national markets. The most obvious were what became called “local content laws”, meaning that a certain percentage of the domestic film and TV market be local, i.e. non-Hollywood/American product. The Hungarian law above is but one of a great many such “local content” requirements that various European states have adopted in the past.
Some countries became notorious for doing this. Throughout the history of cinema, no European government liked to see their national film industry put out of business by Hollywood competition. Nations with a grand sense of national pride and cultural superiority, like France have almost always had such laws in effect, for decades.
The moral trade-off to such legislation is: restricting the people far away, in order to help the locals. Whether this is good or not depends on what the protected locals do with their government granted “franchise”, which for them becomes a window of opportunity. Can they make a go of it, or will they need state support? India used to have one of the most restricted markets for film importation in the world. They were “protected” from Hollywood alright! It allowed them to create “Bollywood”. Life is what you make it!
Mr.Farkas,
If they (like France) truly believe in the theory
that their culture is superior then why do they
need such laws, such restrictive/protectionist
laws ?
Isn’t more natural to assume that a superior
culture will simply “win” the competition ?
I think that what they believe is either :
a) their culture is inferior and therefore they
will lose the ‘kulturkampf’ in a free competition
b) they regard their own people as ‘inferior’,
as ‘fools’ who are unable to distinguish between
worthy and unworthy cultural products, and who are
in need for State’s guidance in order to make
their choices
@the Romanian:
If you watch TV in any country (including Hungary, Germany, Britain, USA – others I don’t know too much about), you’ll find that many/most people seem to prefer “simple” programs …
RTL is a household name in Hungary and Germany and I usually comment on their program: It’s for those people who are too stupid to read BILD or BLICK or BORS or their equivalent …
I’m sure you have an equivalent channel in Romania.
And the Americans seem to be the best producers of that kind of crap …
Panem et circenses!
wolfi : ” many/most people seem to prefer “simple”
programs …And the Americans seem to be the best
producers of that kind of crap”
And this new law will change what ?
Will it chnage the people ? will it make many/most
people switch to high quality Hungarian programs ?
or, will result in many more Hunagrian artists start
producing crap because of the demand for such a
cultural products ?
“… will result in many more Hunagrian artists start producing crap because of the demand for such a cultural products ?
the Romanian at December 10, 2010 6:03 PM ”
You’re probably right there …
We have here around 50 programs on Hungarian cable tv plus several hundred on satellite – and 90 % are crap – doesn’t really matter which country they’re produced in …
Hi Romanian,
I wouldn’t take the “superiority” word too far. I believe in my last post I rationalised to some extent why such laws exist. Protecting local film and TV production is driven by culture, business AND national pride. The French are but one prominent example.
Film production in Europe has often been influenced by people to whom film was more art than a business. Many have scorned the Hollywood commercial model which is entirely driven by box office returns and pandering to a mass market. The product is often created with the understanding that it was never meant to compete on commercial basis with American films. Also in Europe, there have been many who felt that it was the business of the state to subsidize and fund such efforts.
I just keep wondering what local artists will do with a gauranteed market. It’s up to them!
The entertainment industry is very money driven, and there is much money in it. A 40% government guaranteed market share to Hungarian artists, is first and foremost a potential economic bonanza for some locals. It will serve to ensure work and business for local artists and their labels. It will enable them to not only survive but thrive, hopefully attracting buyers and investor interest along the way.
Whether it is good policy to encourage such protectionism, I can’t say. It has to reflect the overall will of the people, and’s up to the people to decide how badly they want to make sure Hungarians have a place at the table when the money is being divvied up.
Maybe they make a continuation (3rd?) of Szomszédok (Neighbours)?
Now when Gazdagret looks a bit different with all those new houses built after 1995
Farkas László :
“Whether it is good policy to encourage such
protectionism, I can’t say. It has to reflect the
overall will of the people”
But isn’t the overall will of the people best seen
when they are free to make their choices ? When
they are free to chose what they want to see ?
(and implicitly what they reward and what they
want to be produced in larger quantities).
Why (in general) would one restrict people’s
choices ? Because he is afraid that, if free, they
(the people) will choose what he dosen’t want them
to choose.
All Hunagarians who love the Hungarian culture and
worry about its future in a global world will
naturally (implicity) express their values and
concerns by choosing Hungarian cultural products
(and implicity rewarding them finanacially and
helping the grow).
There is no need for a law to force them doing it.
Therefore : this law isn’t helping albeit the
people who want it enacted think they are doing a
good thing, they are supporting it out of their
concern for the future of their culture.
Hello Romanian,
The view you are advocating is fair enough, but I’m just being real with you, that in Europe it just hasn’t always worked that way. If we are to argue that Hungary should not do this, then we can just as well attack such laws elsewhere throughout the EU as well, something that would really rile some of the member states. That’s not even taking into account that such protectionism is widespread throughout the world.
Your free market position would have to be either tested in a Brussels court on free speech grounds, or it would have to be put before the political process in a future election.
Farkas,
These amendments violate free speech. It should be up to the radio stations to decide what to play. If you want to elevate people’s taste, do it through education.
When a culture feels so threatened that it tries to place quotas on the media, then it is time for the culture to ask the question “What is wrong with us”?
The Magyars continue to wander aimlessly in the desert … lost in a fog of nationalism.
PS: I listen to RFI, not American POP.
Roumanian,
I don’t believe the French have media content laws. In fact, American POP music dominates many Paris radio station. In fact, American television shows dominate many of the France X channels.
Whenver a country experiences severe disappointment in its leaders and economy, there is a tendency to retreat into a narrow nationalism. Hungarians have forgotten that much of the former vitality came from its Jewish population, and their annihilation was the single greatest blow to Hungary’s economy. Multiculturalism can be a source of strength, but people here do not get it.
It is highly ironic that Hungary continues to diverge from Western values when those countries that have thoroughly embraced Western values have thrived and achieved so much. These values include paying all taxes owed, putting duty above pecuniary gain, tolerance and the ability to make hard choices.
“These values include paying all taxes owed, putting duty above pecuniary gain”
You gotta be kidding. Tax evasion is more popular than baseball, and money is God.
@Amcık: “I don’t believe the French have media content laws.” You would be an embarrassment to any flag. Obviously your mediocre knowledge of French and France is worse than I thought. The French have had media laws for years. Limiting the language of songs through public is commonly used. Spain also has such laws. The language of songs is irrelevant, it is the content and form of discourse that needs protecting.
Here, here’s something in English so you can understand it: http://www.nytimes.com/1993/12/22/movies/france-and-spain-impose-quotas.html
You really should educate yourself aharpish or shut the fuck up. Search on “Sarkozy supervise l’espionnage des journalistes, selon le «Canard»” and tell me again how France is wonderful.
“Hungarians have forgotten that much of the former vitality came from its Jewish population, and their annihilation was the single greatest blow to Hungary’s economy.”
Garbage! The Horthy government and individual Hungarians were instrumental in preventing Hitler from getting the Jews. The Jews paid the Hungarians back with the sadistic Rakosi/Jewish AVO:
http://tdyweb2.wbteam.com/Avosok_1.htm
Hundreds of thousands of Hungarians tortured to death would be alive today if they did not save the Jews who showed their gratitude by inflicting unimaginable torture on the Hungarians that saved them.
One does not have to be a Republican to be disgusted by those Florida Jews who screamed NAZI at Senator Dole when he went down to Florida to support the Bush/Cheney ticket against the Gore/Liarberman ticket. It did not matter to these Jews that Senator Gore was horribly mangled in ww2 fighting the Nazis and probably saved some of them while risking his own life. There is a lesson in all of that…
The site’s historical revisionist forgets to mention the series of Anti-Jewish Laws that were passed between 1938 and 1941. These laws restricted the social and economic lives of Jews.
He disregards the establishment in 1939 of the Hungarian Labor Service System that forced Jewish men between ages 20 – 48 into forced labor camps.
He also fails to mention the 16,000 Jews that were deported by Hungary to Kamenec-Podolskij in 1941 into the hand of Germans who then massacred them. And the 800 Jews killed by Hungarian Gendarmes at Délvidék.
Further he forgets, that in the early summer of 1944, 437,000 Jews were deported to concentration camps with the help of Hungarian police, clerks, soldiers, and gendarmes.
It was not until late summer 1944, when Horthy feared from the allied landing and the Red Armies successes, that he halted deportations.
Horthy was no friend of the Jews.
Yes, there were a handful of Hungarian Angels that helped the Jews, but most passively stood by and 1000′s actively participated in the Holocaust.
There is no excuse for the AVO, and as I have mentioned before they committed atrocities against my family and their friends. However, it was not a Jewish organization. While some of the leadership of the AVO was Jewish, most of the rank and file were not and were drawn from the rural folk with low educational achievement.
Those who apologize for Horthy either forget their history or are simply bigots.
I lived but, always being unskilled in life, I
knew
Right from the start that in the end they’d bury
me
That year silted on year, clod followed clod,
stone stone,
And that, down there, the bones in cool, worm-
ridden gloom
Would shiver in nakedness, when the body had
overflowed.
That up there, time would blunder about my work
with a drone
As I sank deeper in the earth and into darkness…
All this I knew. But the work: will it have
lasted?
—Miklos Radnoti
Éltem, de élni mindig élhetetlen voltam és
előre tudtam, eltemetnek végül itt,
s hogy évre év rakódik, rögre rög és kőre kő,
hogy lenn a test megárad és a férges, hűs
sötétben fázik majd a csont is meztelen.
Hogy fenn a művemen motoz a surrogó idő,
s mélyebbre süppedek le majd a föld alatt,
mind tudtam én. De mondd, a mű, – az megmaradt?
PeteH@ Fair comment,though nobody can actually substantiate those figures,lets just say they are 100% correct,then my question is WHY do people feel it necessary to take such action against the ‘chosen ones’ all throughout history? expelled from over 100 countries,persecuted,banned. People do not do nothings without a reason.
Let me quote Les Visible : ‘Holocaust-I say of course I dont question it,it was supposed to happen.It was Karma for killing far more innocent Russians and all kinds of other people as well.It was full on deserved according to Karmic law and only partially fulfilled-no law against that.’
Powerful words ? make you think? I guess not.
Risci, What a stupid question! At some time all of the following people’s and countless other racial/religious groups have faced bigotry – Blacks, Irish, Roma, Jews, Muslims, Christians, Italians, Japaneses, Koreans, etc., etc., etc. They all need to explain why they were persecuted? Of course not. The banality of bigotry is part of the darkside of the human condition. The onus is not on those persecuted to explain why, rather it is on the racists who persecute them to change their ways and pray for forgiveness.
Much of the human race has culturally evolved away from asking questions like yours. Do yourself a favor – grow up!
And you want to quibble whether 800,000 or 600,000 Hungarian Jews perished? This would make it a lesser crime? If so, that is a sick line of reasoning.
My country has the sins of slavery and the genocide of native American’s to atone for. Hungary’s big sins are the holocaust – I am thankful for all the Hungarian’s who have accepted the responsibility and are ready to let Hungary move forward. It is a shame that there are some, like you, who have yet to grow up.
First of all, I do not appreciate you folks hijacking my Hungarian music link. Oh, well.
@ American in Pest,
“Hungarians have forgotten that much of the former vitality came from its Jewish population, and their annihilation was the single greatest blow to Hungary’s economy”
Good God…are you on crack? Or better yet…are you a Jew? No matter…you’re so full of shit that your eyes are brown.
” Multiculturalism can be a source of strength, but people here do not get it”
Of course not you stupid tick…Hungary has only existed for like…1200 bloody years! Ya think they might know a thing or 2 about multiculturalism?
No? I’m sorry…did the Hungarians practise ethnic cleansing like the Croatia’s did with the Serbs? Did the Hungarians practise ethnic cleansing like the Serbs practiced ethnic cleansing with the Muslims?
Hungary did what they had to do to try and survive in WWII. Just like everybody else. So, instead of boot f*cking Hungary about how they ended up treating those precious ‘chosen people’.
Ask yourself…what took the Americans so long to step in to save them? Oh…was it because they didn’t care…your precious USofA?
@Pete H,
Did you know that in the last century…over 100 million people have been ‘ethnically cleansed’ in this world? Are you listening to me? Not 6 million (unproven)…but 100 million proven! Guatemala, Dar fur, Rwanda, China, Cambodia, Hungary…the list goes on and on.
Where is your indignation for them?
JA, you’re being reactive. I was responding to Loppot’s and Risci’s nonsense about the Hungarian Holocaust. That does not mean I have give you my long-list about what I am indignant about. And read my comment where I argued that other persecuted groups have no need to explain their persecution. How is that being selective? And don’t you feel a little dirty comparing the weight of atrocities by arguing 6 million or less is nothing (trivial I say) compared to 100 million. What’s your currency here? F-uped thinking.
I did not write anything in that time-line that was about Hungary surviving WWII. None of it was a requirement for that. And Hungary was actively involved in anti-Jewish activities before German’s occupied her soil.
The one’s that gave Hungary the boot are Loppot and Risci by projecting their Holocaust denial and vile historical revisionism. They are the one’s that are likely to give Hungary (and this site) a bad name. Not the Hungarians and others that are truthful about her past, both good and bad.
You might do some self-reflection on your form of “love of country” and patriotism. Mine is not of the adolescent variety. I can love my country (US) and talk about her faults at the same time. That’s the only way for my country to progress and mature (Yes, we stepped into the war too late). Pretending I come from a chosen nation does nothing to serve its future. And I do not believe any nation’s or religion’s people are chosen.
“don’t you feel a little dirty comparing the weight of atrocities by arguing 6 million or less is nothing (trivial I say) compared to 100 million”
The problem is that we’re still paying “reparations” for the alleged 6 million. No one even remembers the other 94 million. The holocaust industry might be the reason why people feel the want to know more about the real facts, not the winners’ version.
It’s conveniently overlooked how many people died as a result of US and UK atrocities in WWII. The insane bombing of cities, full of civilians, women and children just to “demoralize” a nation. If you think burning alive is a fun way to go, you should try it yourself.
Later we’ll talk about Hiroshima.
@wolfi “Poor Law – can’t even put up a correct url – should we help him ?”
Isn’t it time for you to find the bathroom in the dark with your wife’s help or maybe suck on your neighbours good wine?
@Pete H.”And Hungary was actively involved in anti-Jewish activities before German’s occupied her soil.”
What country do you think took in thousands of the Polish Jews when they fled Poland (besides Russia)? At the same time your country (U.S.A.) refused entry to them. Leave justasking alone you arrogant …
@Pete H.
I am also fairly sure you are one of those who got all teary eyed during S. S propaganda movie ‘Schindler’s List’. Why do you think it was made in black and white? (Hint: It looks like a documentary –even though it was based on a fiction book) I am pretty certain you hated the German commander when he was shooting down the prisoners from his balcony – in reality the commander’s house is lower than the camp, so it’s only just a nice touch of Hollywood.)
Even your own country’s air photographs don’t substantiate the killing of 4000000 Hungarian Jews at the time, let alone forensic evidence.
@Pete H,
“JA, you’re being reactive”
You’re right I am. Here was a perfectly fun thread on Hungarian music, people sharing video’s and *poof*, we’re back to the Holocaust.
I admit, I don’t like Ricsi’s 5:10pm post. I don’t care how you slice it, nothing and I mean NOTHING justifies ethnic cleansing or any kind of inhuman treatment of a fellow human-being. People seem to forget that it is not up to us to seek revenge…but God’s. He alone decides who is to be and why they are to be punished; not us.
People who take it upon themselves are doing it for political reasons and nothing more. Genocide is and always will be political. Period.
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“The onus is not on those persecuted to explain why, rather it is on the racists who persecute them to change their ways and pray for forgiveness”
One does not have to be a ‘racist’ to participate or allow/turn a blind eye towards genocide; so get that out of your head. Forgiving the essence of evil (and to me deliberate harming of a fellow human is the ultimate evil) is not appropriate.
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“Much of the human race has culturally evolved away from asking questions like yours”
No, no we have not. If that were the case, did the human race simply have a brain fart towards those 100 million people? People are people and pure evil exists and always will. It just takes a great talker to cast those doubts into peoples heads. If that were not the case…would friends and family turn on each during these conflicts?
@ Pete H con’t,
“And you want to quibble whether 800,000 or 600,000 Hungarian Jews perished?”
I think it does. Like you, to me it matters not if 5 or 5 billion souls were/was the result. The fact that a group of people felt the need to target, suppress, humiliate, torture and eventually murder another group of people is for me, enough. I do however resent one event in history being promoted above others.
So, to answer your question…do I feel a little dirty comparing 6 million VS 100 million…not in the bloody least when I consider life being equally valuable.
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“I did not write anything in that time-line that was about Hungary surviving WWII”
Well, it’s a good thing that I didn’t say you did.
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“And Hungary was actively involved in anti-Jewish activities before German’s occupied her soil”
Please tell us here on politics.hu…what anti-Jewish ‘activities’ Hungary was involved in?
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“You might do some self-reflection on your form of “love of country” and patriotism”
Unlike you, I don’t feel the need to apologize every 5 minutes for Canada’s or Hungary’s past. It is what it is…hardly a need for self-reflection.
Better yet, maybe you need to do some self-reflection on your need to constantly apologize?
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“Pretending I come from a chosen nation does nothing to serve its future. And I do not believe any nation’s or religion’s people are chosen.”
Again, neither do I…but some do.
@ Double Double,
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“Isn’t it time for you to find the bathroom in the dark with your wife’s help or maybe suck on your neighbours good wine?”
I thought we concluded months ago that Wolfi had a hose connected to his neighbours wine barrel? An IV hose if I remember correctly
@Double H:
You made my day! You’ve just proved again that you’re just one of those stupid idiot pseudo-Nazis !that abound here …
As I#ve often said:
I’m so glad that real Hungrians are completely different from all you racist loonie mü-Magyars that post crap on this site …
@the sane people here:
I don’t have to defend or help the Jews – I’m sorry for my home country that we lost all those people – as a mathematician and physicist I know how much Jewish scientists contributed to Germany …
@Erik: Not exactly leading by example, are you?
If “journalists” don’t stick to their own standards, I wouldn’t expect politicians to do so.
“Hungary’s big sins are the holocaust”
What a load of crap. There is a law in Hungary that punishes those who publicly deny or justify Nazi and Communist crimes. The first person who violated the law was the Jewish mass murderer Biszku. What happened to him? Noting, he still enjoys the retirement he earned by murdering Hungarians.
There were many holocausts and many of those were perpetrated by Stalin’s Jews. What about Israel making amends for those crimes?
When some speak of Communist crimes, we get the usual Zionazi denial that as irritating as it is understandable as most murderers deny their crimes. What about those like ogre who want to kiss up to Zionazis and tell us to get over Communist crimes? Did these ever tell to their Zionazi masters to get over their holocaust? Not a chance.
To this day, I cannot decide if Sever Plocker was bragging or being honest and remorseful when he wrote about the horrible crimes of Stalin’s Jews. Maybe one of the ‘catholics’ on the list could help me understand what Mr. Plocker was trying to say.
Sever Plocker said, “We mustn’t forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish”.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html
How about the apples ‘catholics’?
Back to music by popular demand:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXCEdrnaFlY
My pick for December. ELP with a touch of Prokofiev. Don’t be scared, it’s a really beautiful song.
Justasking@I never justified ‘ethnic cleansing’ I simply asked why so many countries over the centuries found it necessary to do so with the ‘chosen ones’-big difference,which PeteH and his kind can’t answer except to go onto a hate filled attack.Perhaps they really do now something we don’t?
Enjoy your Sunday.
Well, here’s my all time favourite Christmas song.
Yes folks, it’s by Boney M; I like Polka’s, what did you expect? Some of you may remember this band from the 70′s, I think they were German.
Anyhow, fantastice song and if you all can get past the guy’s cloths and hair style, disco melody and just listen to the words…you’ll understand what I’m talking about.
Merry Christmas everybody (yes, that includes everybody)
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Mary’s Boy – Boney M Christmas song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7-4GC828rM
@justasking:
OMG – Boney M, the first successful “fake group” in pop music …
Look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boney_M.
Yes, the group was German as was the producer Frank Farian (an unsuccessful rock singer, but very successful as producer – and he also sang the male part),but the girls were Caribean, living in Germany.
BTW: Happy Christmas to everybody – and I hope you get those presents that you deserve …
@ Ricsi,
“I never justified ‘ethnic cleansing’ I simply asked why so many countries over the centuries found it necessary to do so with the ‘chosen ones’”
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No, you didn’t, not in so many words; but, on the other hand you did by by attempting to ‘understand/rationalize’ such actions.
People CHOSE to participate in barbaric actions for whatever reasons…fear, jealousy etc. As I said before, it’s usually political, lead by a very small person/group of people.
The sad part is…who ends up paying the price?
Not the ones at the ‘top’, I’ll guarantee you that. Those ‘top guns’ are usually hiding behind the lowly ‘dispensable’ individuals who did nothing wrong, but just happen to be that colour, that nationality or a member of that religion.
People will believe what they want to believe and will listen to what they want to listen to; you can’t change that. Try and do so, you end up stressed, bitter, resentful and coming across as a raving lunatic.
As I said, leave revenge to God for it is his job and not yours. You too have a nice Sunday.
Someone has to carry out Gods work in the physical
realm, if people are cornered and manipulated by the
ie chosen ones then they have every right to defend
themselves through Gods will, otherwise the bad guys continuously rule the realm by chaos. Anyone with
heart can see that many of the chosen ones are
demonic, if the chosen ones refuse to put their own
kind in order then others have to carry out this
task just like the Order of Hospitallers had to
centuries ago.
@Law/Realism – Don’t worry about it, son. I’ll take care of God’s work from now on.
Strange that many of those who believe in “God” (Christians and Muslims) can’t wait for god to do what he is supposed to do, but have to take it upon themselves …
In German we have a sying:
Gottes Mühlen mahlen langsam aber stetig/trefflich fein.
Interestingly enough, the English version is:
the mills of the gods grind exceeding slow
This is from ancient Greece where they had a lot of gods …
http://wiki.answers.com
“This is from ancient Greece where they had a lot of gods”
Greek mythology is entertaining. The rest of the religions are just stupid.
Yes, let’s return to music – that’s much more entertaining and uplifting than this religois stuff: Thou shalt not do this, do that etc.
Here’s a good list what religions do to People:
They can drain your wallet.
They will waste your time.
They can become the basis for irrational, unnecessary, and dangerous laws.
They offer false hope that will never come to fruition.
They can make you kill or hate or injure others.
They can make you take placebos when actual medicines are available.
They make you believe in fiction.
They make you fight against reality.
They brainwash children and adults alike.
http://friendlyatheist.com/
@ Realism,
“Someone has to carry out Gods work in the physical realm, if people are cornered and manipulated by the ie chosen ones then they have every right to defend themselves through Gods will, otherwise the bad guys continuously rule the realm by chaos”
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If you say so…but where in the Bible does God allow this?
As far as I know, He specifically states that He and He alone will seek punishment/atonement. It is not for us to decide when, where and how harsh. Frustrating although that is…the waiting part; deserved people getting their cum-up-ins.
We are surrounded by temptation and we alone control our decisions. Choices…do we choose to walk down the path of consumerism, immediate gratification, self-interest at any cost? Or, do we find a balance and chose to be not so consumer orientated…delay our gratification and self-interest only after we have made sure others needs have been met?
Do we eat the apple or let it be?
@Wolfi,
I believe in God. I struggle with ‘organized religion’ and what ‘man’ says that God wants, expects and desires.
My God is quite simple. He doesn’t hold back love until you do what He says/until He’s ‘happy’. He sees if you’re trying your best to get through this life without hurting others and accepts you for you. He’s not cruel and believes in karma.
My God does not ‘guilt’ you into giving your hard earned money to prove that you care.
But, what do I know?
Dontcha just love Christmas music?
The Beach Boys – Little Saint Nick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSynDh_K0EE
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I could keep going on like this for days…
somebody stop me !!! Yeah, just keep the wise cracks to yourselves…
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Can’t Wait Till Christmas…. by Jacksoul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwa6a2X1Vns
This has got to be one of my all time favourite singers and bands. Here’s a story for those of you who think you might have it a wee bit rough.
This is Canadian band called Jacksoul, it’d lead singer was Haydain Neale. A couple of years ago he (Haydain)was tooling around TO (Toronto) on a Vespa and was hit by a driver (alcohol was not a factor)who got blinded by sunlight whilst turning around a corner.
Yes, Haydain was flung several meters from his scooter and suffered a major brain injury. He had to relearn to walk, talk, write, eat for himself the whole gamut. After years of grueling physical therapy, he fought tooth and nail to get back to singing.
And he did…only to be diagnosed with lung cancer. He died a few months later. Talk about ‘can’t win for loosing’.
Yes, this maybe a bit too ‘popish’ for some; but, the man had a hell of a smooth and unique voice…in my opinion.
Enjoy!
@JA
What do you know?
Nothing, unfortunately you’re programed to believe a
false teaching.
Someone has to carry out Gods work in the physical
realm, if people are cornered and manipulated by the ie chosen ones then they have every right to defend themselves through Gods will
Realism at December 12, 2010 8:43 PM
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Yes, about the same logic Sweden’s first suicide bomber used:
“Thanks to Lars Vilks and his paintings of the Profet Muhammed, peace be with him, and your soldiers in Afghanistan and your silence on all this, your children, daughters, brothers and sisters die as our brothers and sisters and children die”
(My translation from Swedish)
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http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/defense-employee-warned-about-attacks-hours-before-the-bombing-1.1226051
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(Article: Sweden’s biggest newspaper doing an updated English summary)
Vandorlo,
The French can impose all the content laws they want – those laws are violated all the time.
Anyone who lived in France notes the predominance of Anglo-Saxon films at the cinemas, English words popping up everywhere in the French language, and Anglo-Saxon songs on the radio and in the restaurants and cafes.
English is today mandatory at the lycee.
The French pass lots of laws. Enforcing them is not always their strength.
You’re really not as smart as you believe yourself to be.
And your inability to control anger is a sign of your immaturity and apparent inferiority complex.
PS: I lived in France much longer than you.
Justasking,
You’re just a little racist. And probably not gainfully employed since you spend the all day posting on this site.
Good luck with your inferiority complex.
http://www.ce-review.org/00/4/csardas4.html
“The 1992 law (Number 32) on compensation for individuals unlawfully deprived of their freedom and their lives for political reasons was a milestone in recognising that the Hungarian state bore direct responsibility for acts of violence and persecution against its own citizens.
In its opening passage, the law catalogues the sins of the past, whereby various forms of discrimination were enshrined in legislation and used as a basis for systematic and government-sanctioned wrongdoing. Citizens suffered “immeasurable damage”, leading to loss of life as well as freedom and seizure of goods. The stated aim of the law is to remedy the injuries inflicted by wiping the slate clean, offering compensation as a gesture of reconciliation. The sum to be awarded for loss of life was set at one million forints [USD 3830], clearly a symbolic amount. In the course of the budgetary debate for 1999, however, the 1992 law was modified to reduce the amount mentioned above to a paltry 30,000 forints [USD 375], an insult to the bereaved families, compounding the flaws of the original text.”
@Amcık: So you go from: “I don’t believe the French have media content laws.” Are corrected on it with factual evidence and then declare: “I lived in France much longer than you.” As the basis of your argument.
Sounds like your obesity argument all over again. Remember, you know better than the WHO, OECD and World Bank, because… well, because you declare yourself to know better. And when corrected you come back shouting about maturity?
How’s your French coming along? I know a native teacher here in Budapest if you are interested.
Oh, and how are the millions you pay yourself mounting up. Funny thing about that is that the organisation you were working with only declared its account for 2009 as being just over 5 million forints in total, for the whole organisation.
Now you have claimed to have your own company, but you also said you pay yourself (I loved this bit) over $500,000 annually. That is around 105 million forints. So I’m wondering where all that money is coming from, and I figure it is the same place as your logic, facts and ability to reason.
Would I be wrong?
ask forgiveness for the millions of innocents murdered by Stalin’s Jews.
LHVJ at December 13, 2010 12:14 PM
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Did you miss that part that the Russian Duma just passed a resolution claiming that Stalin was *personally* responsible for the Katyn massacres in Poland?
And would that not be Stalin and Russia that would beg for forgiveness (and pay out retributions)?
Or do you now claim that Rakosi and friends did things that Stalin did not approve?
You know what I really love about these forums .
this literally the only country in the world , were every single topic news link and other conversation has to end with finger pointing at something/someone else .
it is like saying we are bad at every single thing cause look there is a country who is worse at that , and here is another one that is worse at something else , we are not best at being worst at anything at all , ( just rotten in general ).
As if that is a positive thing.
You know that if you Hungarians as people and as a nation ever want to start moving forward and not continuously sliding back, you might want to start looking how and were things are done better and try emulating them , try striving for positivity , instead of continually stewing in your own depression misery and shit.
Just a though
@Amcık: Just checked with my French friend and there is no requirement for English per se, in sixth-form colleges or to obtain their baccalauréat. There are also three streams only one of which (littéraire) simply requires a foreign language or a regional language of France.
Do you ever check your facts?
Obviously, fact checking is a deep sign of insecurity and immaturity.
n.b. A bloke called Claude Thélot had recommended English be made mandatory back in 2004, but it was never taken up.
@American,
“The 1992 law (Number 32) on compensation for individuals unlawfully deprived of their freedom and their lives for political reasons”
Will Israel be releasing a Law such as this towards the Palestinian people anytime soon? Or am I an anti-Semite for asking?
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“And probably not gainfully employed since you spend the all day posting on this site”
You’re right, I’m not…I was hoping nobody would notice…darn! I knew you would though…you being so big and strong and smart and all.
The way Vandor keeps kicking your ass all over this site, I bet it’s because he’s oh, so jealous of a sexy guy such as yourself.
Somebody turn down the heat around here…I’m getting hot!!
Un dispositif est mis en place pour renforcer les compétences des collégiens et lycéens en langues vivantes dans un contexte de construction européenne et de mondialisation. Le renforcement des compétences orales en anglais, langue étudiée par 97 % des élèves du second degré, a été décidé.
So there we have it – 97% of French students study English.
Poor Vandorlo … splitting hairs.
@Amcık: Not mandatory though. And you are completely dishonest. You missed the next sentence: “Les élèves volontaires peuvent suivre des ateliers dans le cadre de l’accompagnement éducatif au collège, et des stages gratuits pendant les vacances au lycée.”
“French people in Paris
The decline is everywhere to be seen. Before Britain joined the European common market (now the European Union) in 1973, French was the club’s sole official language. Now that its members also include Denmark, Finland and Sweden, whose people often speak better English than the British, English is the EU’s dominant tongue. Indeed, over 85 percent of all international organizations use English as one of their official languages.
In France itself, the march of English is remorseless. Alcatel, the formerly state-owned telecoms giant, uses English as its internal language. Scientists know that they must either “publish in English or perish in French.” And though one minister of “culture and the French language,” Jacques Toubon, did his utmost to banish foreign expressions from French in the mid-1990s, a subsequent minister of education, Claude Allegre, declared in 1998 that “English should no longer be considered a foreign language … In future it will be as basic [in France] as reading, writing and arithmetic.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6341795.stm
Vandorlo,
Actually I think it is the combination of obesity, drunkeness, American fast food, and smoking that explains why the average Hungarian looks like the living dead and why your country ranks 79th in life expectancy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy#List_by_the_CIA_World_Factbook_.282009_estimates.29
Your people only live eight years less on average than the typical Frenchman and six years less than the typical American.
It is going to be hard to rebuild your Austrian-Hungarian empire at that rate ….
Bonne soirée!!!
@Amcık: Let’s just recap your statements and the current state of your defense:
You claimed two things:
1. France has no media laws (specifically relating to language quotas).
2. English language tuition at sixth form level is mandatory.
Both of these are factually not true.
More than that:
1. The language quota in France is 40% as opposed to the proposed 20% in Hungary.
2. You even go on to confuse secondary school with lycées (they are not exactly equivalent, as the latter only refers to the last few years of secondary school).
Your bold claim now amounts to this: the English language is important in France and its instruction is voluntarily being encouraged through various schemes.
Obviously, if the match between your claims and what you are now pushing counts as “splitting hairs” then how on earth do you propose to hold to any line of argument.
Factually and actually I am correct. The foundation of your argument, like your claims about your business acumen are all baseless.
@Vandorlo On the Ropes: You are confused. The articles you reference merely echo the one I initially posted in an earlier comment on this thread: http://www.politics.hu/20101208/lets-all-play-the-hungarian-political-cultural-quota-twist#c55
That is, that France, like Spain, Germany, Italy and many other countries is and has been worried about the spread of English and is grappling with their response to this. On the one hand, you have your first set of links which show how it is being encouraged, on the other those who are trying to defend their native tongue from its pernicious encroachment.
It is in response to the latter concern that Frances media laws were put in place. As was with Spain. More recently many Germans have argued for somethign similar.
But this just goes to undermine Amcık’s claims and argument.
One you have got your head around what is it you actually want to articulate, please do so.
Actually the American in Budapest is correct – English is the second language in France and virtually all the young learn it. Mr. V is nitpicking because he has lost the argument.
It doesn’t matter whether English is mandatory or enough. De facto, almost French lycee students learn and become competent in English.
Vandorlo,
Knock yourself out. I bought two apartments in the last year for a total of 47 million Forints and I paid cash.
And despite your claim that my company generated five million forints, it generated 2010 net income of roughly a half million dollars (hint: it’s a New York corporation – we don’t use Forints in New York).
Your lack of character continues to disappoint me.
Since you know much, tell me the name of the company for which my company does most of its work?
Who is my main customer? Come on big tiszta magyar!
By the way, since virtually all French students do learn english, you should apologize. De facto, de jure, makes no difference to a man who is not splitting hairs.
And the dominance of English as a second language in France was the real point.
Go lick your wounds little boy …
@Amcık: You are so pathetic I am beginning to pity you, but so vial I never could.
Each time your small mind decides to brave linguistic waters it thinks itself clever enough to fore-post a comment under a pseudonym, followed minutes later by your own nonsense.
Tell me, are you familiar with the cognitive psychology of the ‘illusion of truth’?
Don’t be so modest, of course you are. You use it all the time.
Remember Begg et al., (1992) perhaps? http://bit.ly/hCD8Qz
Funny you use the sock puppet techniques of the people you think you hate (LHVJ, Law etc…). Manufactured consensus. You accuse others of race hatred, yet you unequivocally and repeated express the same yourself for Hungarians. You rarely even pretend to distinguish which. For you are a rare and truly dangerous bigot, the self-righteous sort.
Never face up to your false, groundless, uneducated statements – oh no, that would be too decent of you.
But, you are truly indecent.
For example “the dominance of English as a second language in France was the real point” Really? You were trying to make that point? In which of your statements?
@Amcık: Tell me how your cuntry explains away this: 09KABUL1651 – and the lack of coverage in any of their media.
@ American,
Regarding ‘Vándorló at December 14, 2010 1:51 AM’
post dedicated to you….OUCH! I was even embarrassed for you…okay not really, I laughed instead.
@ Vandor,
“You are so pathetic I am beginning to pity you, but so vial I never could”
That was sheer poetry. I hope you know I have every intention of using this line and will take full credit for it as well.
I thought Cinaed had a way with words…I now have to add you to my list.
Merry Christmas!
@ Vandorlo and American in BP
Re: “Who is my main customer? Come on big tiszta magyar! ”
There you go Vandorlo, you Tiszta Magyar Nationalist, let’s hear what you have to say.
American in BP – IMHO, you are the most unique poster on this website.
The contributors around here are mostly divided into two distinct categories when it comes to political ideologies and I cannot think of anyone else but you who manages to piss off everyone judging by the reactions to your opinions.
Thank you for sharing the details of your immense financial success and although I can’t speak for others,I am extremely impressed and grateful knowing you are spreading some of that wealth in
my native country that is struggling with its economy.
Zsuzsa: Hey, what’s this ‘had’ business? I’m not
dead yet. I have just been too busy and can’t be
bothered posting on the same roundabout of topics
that never seem to change.
@ Cin,
D
” I have just been too busy and can’t be
bothered posting on the same roundabout of topics
that never seem to change”
Oh, stop being such a snob and get your ass back here! Besides, there something to be said and comfort to be found in predictability
Besides, here’s a new topic…what’s your professional opinion of American in Pest?
Vandorlo,
The only thing that is pathetic is how you continue to attack people that you don’t know.
You claim to have lived in France but are either unaware or deny that the French have accepted the necessity of learning English.
On top of that you claimed to know the income of my company when there is no way you could know what my American company generates.
In other words, you lied.
And all because it is ok for a Hungarian to criticize Hungary, but it is not ok for a foreigner to criticize Hungary.
Well, I guess that applies to your criticisms of American …
American in Budapest,
“I think it is the combination of obesity, drunkeness, American fast food, and smoking that explains why the average Hungarian looks like the living dead.”
While I agree that for an English language site dedicated to Hungary it is absurd to argue that non-Hungarians can’t criticize Hungary, some of your posts go beyond fact based critique and cross the line into out-right insults aimed at a whole people. You obviously don’t like Hungarians or Hungary. So, why do you work there? Just for the profit? You need to change your moniker to Ugly American in Budapest. You really are the sort that gives American’s a bad name.
@ Olga,
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“There you go Vandorlo, you Tiszta Magyar Nationalist, let’s hear what you have to say”
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You know, I always suspected something was up with ‘Vandor’. How much do you want to bet that his name is like…I don’t know…Odon or Tas? Some old Hungarian name like that.
Irish ancestry…huh!
And it only took a big, strong manly American like ‘American in Pest’ to figure it out for us here on Politics. I bet he’s cute!!!
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@ Pete H,
” You obviously don’t like Hungarians or Hungary. So, why do you work there? Just for the profit? You need to change your moniker to Ugly American in Budapest.”
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Wow…that was a bit harsh don’t you think? I mean, maybe he doesn’t know allot of people in Hungary and is just lashing out because he’s lonely?
The impression that I get from your post, is that nobody likes American here on Politics; I mean down right can’t stand the guy. How cruel is that? Even LHVJ has a fan base
Vándorló – “Tell me how your cuntry explains away this: 09KABUL1651 – and the lack of coverage in any of their media.”
No coverage because everyone already knew about that Blackwater incident and the others, 100x over? Other than that and the famous helicopter incident I’m having a hard time finding out what the Americuntry did that’s as bad as oh say this
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11957724
Also, why is Vándorló sneaking around trying to find out how much AIB earns? Odd.
Peter,
When I talk to other expatriates, their opinions regarding Hungary are quite similar. We enjoying learning the language (although it is a mystery to all why Hungarian became so unnecessarily complicated), living in Budapest, the low cost of living here and the sense of adventure.
However, other foreigners and even some Hungarians have pretty much the sme opinions as me:
1. Swede: “Everyone cheats on their taxes”.
2. Icelander: “The country is infected by an obsession with the Greater Hungary of the past.”
3. Hungarian (pharmacy industry): “The problem here is the mentality. No one wants to work hard.”
4. Hungarian (doctor
By the way, I don’t see how any can argue that obesity and alcoholism are not serious problems. I have already carried one tenant in the building where I live up to his apartments – he was drunk before noon.
It would be very easy for Hungary to move up the ranks of Eastern Europe. Pay their taxes. Reject nationalism. Place duty above elf-aggrandizement. Quit blaming Jews, Gypsies, the Great Powers for their problems. Accept the current borders of Europe. Show more of an interest in the world outside Hungary.
@ Justasking
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I read your posts and think you are intelligent and I agree with almost evrything you say and then I read:
Just do me a favour…don’t tell anyone these guys are Gypsies okay? I have a reputation to uphold
American in Budapest, where did I argue that those weren’t problems? My issue is with you painting the average Hungarian with that brush. So, you know a few Hungarian drunks. What you said was “…the average Hungarian looks like the living dead…”.
That is not my impression of Hungarians. Most look quite good to me and the average person looks about like the average person here in the states. Actually, I see far more obese people here in the states. And if I go down in the southern states, most people are obese.
@wolfi
“You made my day! You’ve just proved again that you’re just one of those stupid idiot pseudo-Nazis !that abound here …”
I am happy to see that your neighbor’s (or should that be neighbour’s – you never know with all these mű-magyars around here) wine doing double time in your veins (don’t ever pull that IV out). Even though I do agree with many things what or how the Nazis did (check out their unemployment rate compared to other countries in the 30’ or how Hitler dealt with the banks, or just overall what they achieved in a few years in Germany). {Maybe that’s why Hitler was named man of the year in 1938/sorry you can’t vote for him or any Nazi anymore (Man of the century/millennium – Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Chauchesku, etc. is still ok though}, does not automatically makes me a Nazi (not too found of burning books, locking people into KZs (British invention) and such.
“I’m so glad that real Hungrians are completely different from all you racist loonie mü-Magyars that post crap on this site …”
Being born in Hungary and holding only Hungarian citizenship does not qualify as Hungarian. You have to be German? (wolfi)) Swedish (Viking), Unknown (Curious George) or American (Pete H., American in Budapest, etc.) who can barely or not at all read, write, speak Hungarian to be called real Hungarian. Now that makes my day, week… life.
@ Double
Re: “Being born in Hungary and holding only Hungarian citizenship does not qualify as Hungarian.” – You are right it does not
You have to pass a test and if you don’t admire Hitler, Zundel, debate the number of Holocaust victims (your hobby I believe) you don’t hate the Jews,the Roma and Homosexuals then you are not a “true Hungarian” as defined by the JOBBIK worshippers on this website.
Makes me warm and fuzzy knowing that I have options and if I ever decide to be an anti-Semite and believe that it took guts for Oszkar Molnar to spread lies and incite hatred against Roma women, blame every crime in Hungary on the Roma, I know I shall be welcome with open arms. Maybe I could carry placards that AIDS is God’s punishment
for being gay and as a show of good faith I could even take some lekvaros palacsintat to Budahazy, the wrongly convicted martyr langishing in jail or perhaps he is out by now. I can only hope.
Judging by your vocabulary you did not live in Hungary all your life but whether you were born
there or somewhere else, it matters not, because you passed and I failed.
Oh, I think there were some postings on this thread about Chirstmas Muisc – my favourite is David Bowie/Bing Crosby “The Little Drummer Boy”
@ Plumcrazy,
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“I agree with almost evrything you say and then I read:
Just do me a favour…don’t tell anyone these guys are Gypsies okay? I have a reputation to uphold
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Sorry about that, I thought I was whispering….I’ll be more careful in future.
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@ Pete H,
“That is not my impression of Hungarians. Most look quite good to me”
You obviously caught a glimpse of me
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@ Double, Double,
“who can barely or not at all read, write, speak Hungarian to be called real Hungarian”
You better have been in an alcoholic haze when you wrote that.
“Muisc – my favourite is David Bowie/Bing Crosby The Little Drummer Boy”
It has to be the most nauseating crap ever recorded. I’m willing to overlook your horrendous spelling errors, but your choice of music is unforgivable.
@HH69 -………Unknown (Curious George)… who can barely or not at all read, write, speak Hungarian to be called real Hungarian.
Seems like you’ve misunderstood my posts!
I’ve never tried to (or want to) pass off as a Hungarian {shudder} ! I’m quite happy being a globalist from Narnia.
All I want is for my students (here) to understand the changes happening around them, and how to make the best of it.
@DoubleH:
“check out their unemployment rate compared to other countries in the 30’ or how Hitler dealt with the banks, or just overall what they achieved in a few years in Germany”
Yes – preparing for a war that he was sure to lose and putting the country into debt …
Your posting just showed again that you’re a pseudo-Nazi , whether you were born in Hungary or somewhere else doesn’t matter …
PS: In socialist times in Hungary also there was no unimployment – everybody (including the Gypsies) had to come to work – even if there was nothing to do …
@Gee Willikers (aka Amcık): What is your reasoning or argument? Others do terrible things, therefore US actions are excusable?
And you try to find an equally grotesque distortion of human rights violations to justify document evidence (“everyone already knew” as you expressed it) that American tax dollars are repeatedly used to fund “the trafficking of Women and Children” ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTa04c5eMuY ) from 2007 and child prostitution ( video ZUnt-1gXoKk on youtube.com ) based on reports in 2009.
This is from an organisation the US uses to do its dirty work. That gets 96% of its profits directly from the US government.
You are not trying to condone any of that are you?
@wolfi
“preparing for a war that he was sure to lose and putting the country into debt …”
Your posting just showed again how little you know about the era. The economical achievements of Germany had very little to do with preparing for war.
Your posting just showed again how little you know about the era.
HH69 at December 15, 2010 10:31 AM
Well it’s obvious Wolfi is not a fan, but he was right about you being a pseudo-Nazi, no?
This will only help make Hungary more of a
cultural backwater, nice job FIDESZ aka CID
(Commies In Disguise). As someone deeply involved
in the Hungarian music scene I feel I should make
a few salient points about this short-sighted and
backward thinking proposal.
If this is an attempt to strengthen the Hungarian
music industry then it will fail. Hungarians don’t
buy enough music to sustain a domestic music
industry (nowehere near enough). This is due to
several issues, mainly economic and moral
(Hungarians don’t have enough money to buy lots of
music/Hungary is rife with music piracy).
Most musicians I know here (and I know plenty of
those mentioned in the above comments) get
miserable revenues from airplay from
Artisjus/MAHASZ and can only manage (just) by
having day jobs (usually several) and from live
performances. Revenue collection in this country
is primarily about giving money to a small group
of lawyers, major international labels and ‘past
it’ rockers from the 70s/80s and it is highly
dubious, corrupt and lacking in transparency. I
suspect that even with increased airplay time, the
smaller domestic labels and performing acts would
not receive proportionly higher revenues.
A similar decision by France many years ago only
succeeded in strengthening the music industry
there (in the long term) because France is one of
top 10 largest markets for music sales globally.
Hungary is not even in the top 40.
I wouldn’t be too concerned about body scanners, concentration camps and instant world wars. That’s just a lot of noise being generated to distract and confuse you. Any of those things are temporary at best and possibly not operative in the time remaining. We are going to hold witness to a most singular and spectacular series of events that only those out of the loop would attempt to describe. It’s going to be something else. It’s not going to be everything else.
I imagine there are any numbers of readers scratching their heads and wondering what I’m talking about. I’m not the guy to ask… heh heh.
@Bystander
There is a long tradition of covering/plagarising
foreign music in the last century in Hungary.
Theme music from ‘Susu a sarkány’ ring any bells?
The ‘composer’ copied, to the note, a piece of
music from 50s USA. He received numerous awards
all over the Communist world for that piece of
music (and royalties after the changes). When it
was revealed two years ago that he hadn’t written
the composition and had just copied it (note for
note FFS) he was typically unrepentant and refused
to acknowledge his misdemeanour. Fortunately for
him he has not been taken to court for this breach
of copyright that he has profited from.
Maybe Zubóly is the closest equivalent I’ve heard
to Gogol Bordello but they haven’t worked together
for about a year now.
@Budaphil
This regulation will also apply to Internet radios
based within Hungarian territory.
@everyone…traditional Hungarian music = a blend
of musical influences. There is no such thing as
authentic Hungarian music, just a there is no such
thing as authentic English/French/German/whatever
music. Music cross pollinates and mixes and has
done so every since man (or woman) banged two
rocks together to a rhythmic pattern.
Thanks PiP for the musical info!
@DoubleH, after all you’ve said on just this one
thread idolizing Hitler, do you STILL have the
audacity to lie and deny that “DOUBLEH” stands for
“Heil Hitler”? You are a disgusting human being,
but I’m sure you get that from everybody!
@Smoke (Ricsi? Friend of Ricsi?) — I’ve been
hearing lots of subtle threats from your crowd
about “We are going to hold witness to a most
singular and spectacular series of events that
only those out of the loop would attempt to
describe. It’s going to be something else. It’s
not going to be everything else… I imagine there
are any numbers of readers scratching their heads
and wondering what I’m talking about. I’m not the
guy to ask… heh heh.”
So, who WOULD be the guy to ask? Ricsi, LHVJ?
Thanks for the ‘heads up’!! If something DOES
‘happen’ in line with the illegal or violent
nature of the acts you think you are so cool
hinting at… well, thanks for logging your IP
onto this site which might just allow law
enforcement to begin hunting down your fellow
conspirators!
Perhaps you’d like to be less of a psychopath and
just come out and SAY what illegal mischief you
all have planned. Besides, you’ve already *blown*
the cover and it will be *you* that gets set
against your co-conspirators eventually. You’re
already the “rat”, you might as well make a deal
before the Thing goes down…
Or, mostly likely *nothing* will happen except
some skinheads on parade. Same ole delusions of
grandeur.
For those of you who are in the mood for Cajun…
John Mellencamp – I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus – Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsat4e8jgHA
Gotta love that accordion!
@Bystander
For the hundreds of times the DobleH in my nick has nothing to do with Adolf Hitler. I don’t lie. Even though there are some things to admire about him (even Churchill said so – let alone what he wrote about Mussolini (Churchill) – what I post is just about historical accuracy and the freedom of holding an opinion, no matter how offensive or uncomfortable it makes some.
I meant DoubleH
Your posting just showed again how little you know about the era. The economical achievements of Germany had very little to do with preparing for war.
DoubleH63 at December 15, 2010 10:31 AM
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Even though there are some things to admire about him (even Churchill said so – let alone what he wrote about Mussolini (Churchill) – what I post is just about historical accuracy and the freedom of holding an opinion, no matter how offensive or uncomfortable it makes some.
DoubleH63 at December 19, 2010 2:10 AM
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Another “historical accuracy” thing is that undoubtedly Stalin created some order in the Soviet-union and he made the people unite against the Nazi-German attack, and for that he is still admired in many parts of the previous Soviet-territory. I have met some people who with some regret remembers when “we were one people”
If that should make us regard Stalin and Hitler with respect is of course up to each one
DoubleHH, regardless he her nick should be 2*88 instead, seems to look at the important features
We should of course never forget that Hitler was very nice to his German Shepard dogs and that Hitler probably had homosexual relations with several men, so making Hitler an Honourable Member of your next Animal Rights and/or Gay Rights Parade seems really appropriate
@Viking:
You forgot to mention that Hitler also was a Vegetarian and an Austrian – which should also endear him to all our healthy living monarchy loving jobos …
He got the German citizenship only in 1932 under pressure from the local government in Braunschweig, where his party was part of the local government.
@Viking “If that should make us regard Stalin and Hitler with respect is of course up to each one”
Not according to the law since last year.
“Hitler was very nice to his German Shepard dogs”
He was.
“probably had homosexual relations with several men”
Viking are you drinking the same wine wolfi is hooked up to? Watch out, it might harm your brain and getting mixed up about people. The person you meant was of course is Ernst Röhm.
@wolfi
If you live long enough in Hungary and you wish to become a citizen you can do it also. So what’s your point? That you hate Austrians and vegetarians?
@Bystander
You have to be one of the dumber Jews to think that Hungarians have any use for Hitler or the Nazis. The difference between the Nazis and the Communists is that while the German occupation was short, the Soviet occupation and the terror under the Jewish/Communist Rakosi years Hungarians suffered a lot more than under the brief German occupation.
The Jewish/Communist MSZP/SZDSZ government passed the holocaust denial bill during the last session of previous Parliament. Fidesz-KDNP government did not erase the Jewish/Communist bill but modified it to punish those who deny or justify the crimes of Communists and Nazis.
You know that you are lying when you Zionazis claim that Jobbik or other radical nationalist groups are for Nazis but you say it anyhow because truth matters you not. I believe that Hungarians despise to various degrees the German and other Nazis, the Jewish and other Communists and the new Nazis, the Jewish Zionazis. Some Hungarians may have more intense dislike for some but there is no love for the Nazis, Communists or the Zionazis. To various degrees, they have all harmed Hungary and Hungarians.
By the same reasoning, I believe that Hungarians have no more use for Arab terrorists than for Jewish or any other terrorists. Terrorists are not popular with Hungarians but they do not believe that only Arabs are terrorists.
“probably had homosexual relations with several men”
The person you meant was of course is Ernst Röhm.
DoubleH63 at December 19, 2010 12:19 PM
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No, you seem to easily bypass the wealth of information that exists on Hitler being homosexual, sadomasochist, impotent coprophile or just asexual
.
In 1943, the American Office of Strategic Services (OSS) made a report stating that Hitler was an impotent coprophile
The report describes Hitler as having “possibly even a homosexual streak in him,” although the researchers concluded that the evidence of Hitler’s homosexuality was too thin to make any conclusions
One of Hitler’s opponents in the Nazi Party, Otto Strasser, claimed that the Nazi dictator forced his niece Geli Raubal to urinate and defecate on him
Historian Lothar Machtan argues in The Hidden Hitler that Hitler was homosexual. He argues basically on speculation, including Hitler’s experiences in Vienna with young friends, his adult relationships with (among others) Ernst Röhm, Ernst Hanfstaengl and Emil Maurice, and the Mend Protocol, a series of allegations made to the Munich Police in the early 1920s by a former soldier colleague of Hitler
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http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/hitler-bisexual-circus-freak?page=4
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The only thing we really know is that nothing around Hitler seemed to have been “normal”
Explains a lot about your fascination about Him
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No one has claimed that Stalin was homosexual, whatever we can make out of that “fact”?
Some Hungarians may have more intense dislike for some but there is no love for the Nazis, Communists or the Zionazis. To various degrees, they have all harmed Hungary and Hungarians
LHVJ at December 19, 2010 2:20 PM
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So why does Our Little Hussar then support the Day Of Honour, next year on February 12:
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http://www.freeweb.hu/dayofhonour/english/generalorder.html
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This day, with its difference manifestations is to honour the break-out of German SS-troops and its Hungarian supporters
From Nationleader Ferenc Szálasi’s general order to the Armed Nation, Budapest, the 15th of October 1944:
“My belief and conviction is,that our Nation will accomplish Its historical duty,and It advances to the certain victory on the side of Germany,Italy,Japan and their other allies.
In our Nation’s duty I say many thanks to the brilliant leader of the German folk:to Adolf Hitler,as a really loyal Comrade,who is of great help to our Nation,in Its fate deciding days.This act of Him is another historical proof of it,that Adolf Hitler,the leader of the Germans frames everytime the welfare,the safety and the harmony of life for every single folk of the nationalist and socialist European community.By His divine dispensation,as the tireless leader of the nationalist and socialist European community,every time and by all means can reckon with that,that our Nation will accomplish Its duty honestly and loyally”
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This is the guy Our Little Hussar calls the “Defender Of Hungary”
viking: “Hitler was homosexual.”
Are you a homophobe or just hate homosexuals? Starting a world war is okay with you, but you cannot tolerate homosexuality? So you’re not a champion of gay rights after all. Shame on you!
Starting a world war is okay with you, but you cannot tolerate homosexuality?
Boy George at December 19, 2010 2:46 PM
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I think you should direct that question to your pen-pal 2*88, he seems to have a problem with Mr H having shady meetings with other men
WWII he normally blames on Churchill, nothing that should be connected to the glorious Mr H, who actually was spotted here recently:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlmGknvr_Pg
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“I gave him my child to kiss, and he bit it!’
@ Boy George
Get a life – for those of us who support gay rights, it is very relevant that people like Hitler, Haider and various American Evangelists
spew hate against gays while being closet gay themselves.
Why don’t you look back on this website and find the article about some JOBBIK rep who attended a Gay Pride Parade is Toronto and had to resign as a result. JOBBIK believes in “free speech” when it comes to spewing hate against Jews, Roma and gays, just controls what events their followers should or should not attend.
Olga..JOBBIK believes in “free speech” when it
comes to spewing hate against Jews, Roma and gays.
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Jobos need someone to hate. Preferably someone who
is (who belongs to) a minority, someone who is
weak (in numbers) and thus he can’t strike back
successfully when attacked (i.e. the Jobos are
very brave people amongst many other things).
But why all this need to hate ?
Because they themselves are small, frustrated
people, failures in life who need someone whom to
regard as “un-whorthy, scums” (Jews, Gypsies,
gays) so as (by contrast) to appear (to themselves
at least) as being of value.
“Because they themselves are small, frustrated
people, failures in life who need someone whom to
regard as “un-whorthy, scums” (Jews, Gypsies,
gays) so as (by contrast) to appear (to themselves
at least) as being of value.”
I don’t know much about what Jobbik people think.
What I know, from many years of personal experience, is that tolerance can go too far, and it may diminishes basic values.
I don’t hate people based on their origin, I hate them for their choices, attitudes and behavior.
Obscene gay parades, the holocaust industry and gypsy crime are all very real problems, each connected to a minority group. Ignoring or tolerating this will only encourage arrogant, destructive and divisive behavior.
What the country need now is some kind of purpose to unite behind, not corrupt political parties and noisy minorities. The US used the “communist threat” and now the “terrorist threat” and wars to fuel some misguided patriotism. We are not in the position to start any wars, and lack the leadership to unite people to make an honest effort and find our common goal, in this case it would be climbing out of the ditch. This may lead to depression, and we all know what’s next if things keep getting worse.
So instead of pushing their own selfish agenda, minorities should act like they live here, and help us solve our common problems.
@ The Romanian
Re: “But why all this need to hate ? ”
As far as I am concerned you just answered your own question very well.
Obscene gay parades, the holocaust industry and gypsy crime are all very real problems, each connected to a minority group
Voice of Reason at December 20, 2010 12:51 AM
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Is not the reason why you feel so threatened by these things, that they are associated to “a minority group”
If these things were done by the majority, you would accept it as ‘facts of life’
You obviously do not live in Hungary, then those 3 things you claim “are all very real problems”, but there hardly any reports related to these 3 problems in Hungarian media today, after the April elections
If you really lived in Hungary you could of course wonder if the only law “Jobbik” got through actually worked retroactively since the last general elections:
“TV crime reporting restricted”
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http://www.politics.hu/20101214/tv-crime-reporting-restricted
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Maybe that law is Hungary’ *real* problem, then it sweeps all the problems you see under the carpet?
But maybe this new “Jobbik”-law represent the “Voice of Reason” in Hungary, by enforcing ‘positive’ reporting?
@Voice of unreason aka uncommon nonsense:
“Obscene gay parades, the holocaust industry and gypsy crime are all very real problems, each connected to a minority group”
It’s really remarkable how every comment proves you’re a fascist idiot – as Viking remarks, Hungarians and foreigners alike have to be glad that you don’t live here …
To all of you on Politics .hu, Olga and I would like to wish you and your families and Very Merry Christmas and a safe and Happy New Year.
Hugs and kisses from Canada!
PS: Okay, so the kisses may have been a bit much, but you all get the gist of what we’re saying…right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9JV0oaNi24
Merry Christmas to you ladies, and I wish you both a happy holiday season! It is always a pleasure corresponding withyou!
An old Hungarian Christmas film is:
Emberek a havason (1942)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj08FbcIJcE
It’s not in your happy ending Hollywood mode, but a great film to watch!
For the many Hungarians who would like to connect with Hungarian television, wherever they are in the world during this holiday season, here is a wonderful webpage that makes it easy:
Hungarian TV
http://wwitv.com/television/97.htm
54 channels (about 30 of which are live)
I hope that this will help many to connect and to be able to watch holiday programming!
Merry Christmas! There, I said it, hope everyone enjoys it!