December 14th, 2010

TV crime reporting restricted

Newscasts or reports of crime-related matters may not take up more than 20% of morning and evening newscasts aired by major commercial television stations, according to a Jobbik proposal passed yesterday by Parliament.

The restrictions would apply to newscasts aired by RTL Klub and TV2 during 7-8:30 a.m., and 6-9 p.m. They would also extend to news broadcasts on Neo FM and Class FM during 6.30-8.30 a.m.

The motion argued that an excessive proportion of such news items is “depressive, elicits fear and has a negative impact”.

Under another change, at least 35% of music aired on radio stations must be Hungarian.

MPs also voted to increase advertising on state-run media from six minutes to eight minutes every hour.
Parliament amended the bill on media services to give media outlets the right to challenge fines issued by the new media authority in court, rather than having to pay the fines immediately.

There were 298 affirmative votes in favour of the bill, 56 dissensions and one abstention.

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  • Paul

    “”The motion argued that an excessive proportion of such news items is “depressive, elicits fear and has a negative impact”.””
    Kafka, Orwell or Lewis Carroll? I’m not sure which author could best sum up the place Hungary is heading for.

  • wolfi

    Wasn’t there a paper once in the USA that printed only “good news” ?
    Hungarians could learn from that …
    Unbelievably funny, this whole thing. Wait till this gets into worldwide news- Hungary as the laughing-stock of the world …

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I5BGsK5ZAU Viking

    The funniest thing is that this bill was from “Jobbik”
    Yes, they must have a real problem that people are told about Gyurcsány and Demszky’s crimes on Commercial TV
    Does this mean that it will be OK for the State TV to do nothing but tell it all, around the clock on Gyurcsány and Demszky’s crimes, then the Bill only restrict Commercial media?
    This was definitely a thing that makes you go uhumuhumuhum…
    At these situations you really miss ‘bob’ and his ilk, always there to defend “Jobbik”
    .
    Next on the “Jobbik” shelf for stupid laws, will be a ban for all media to report on ‘disasters’ in Orbanistan and its attached Jobbikorszag, then listening to these reports every day about floods and red mud makes you really “depressive, elicits fear and has a negative impact”
    No, better to show off Happy Hungarians Praising Viktor and his side-kick Vona, that really gives you a positive feeling

  • The Romanian

    Is this new law a good news or yet another bad,
    depressive, “negative impact” news ?
    Isn’t this very law a Govt crime ? because it is
    clearly violating the right of the citizens to
    decide themselves what they want to watch (on what
    kind of issues to be informed about).

  • Abácsi

    Censorship in its silliest form it may seem but it is the tip of the iceberg.
    Perhaps we should loudspeakers in the streets reminding us how fortunate we are to be living under the guiding hand of Vik and his cronies. If you don’t report bad news, surely there is none! Orwellian for sure.
    Maybe poor sports results can be banned too as well as ‘uninformed’ comment on their financial ‘policies’.

  • contemplator

    Too bad they didn’t pass a law that reduces the statements made by
    politicians that are “depressive, elicits fear and has a negative
    impact” by 20% . . . if this would be reduced by 1% they would have
    nothing to say let alone 20%

  • Pete H.

    The party that used fear of the EU, multinationals, Roma, and Jews to build its base is worried about new reports that are “depressive, elicits fear and has a negative impact”. That’s precious.

  • freedom

    The bill is aimed at trying to encourage more positive thinking. I don’t see why crime reporting should make up anymore than 10% of the news. Is there this many crimes in Hungary that the TV channels even have to waste a quarter of their day going over and over the crimes?
    Why not use that time to promote the peaceful nature of the Hungarian people, family values and positive community events? Why should news waste so much time reporting on crime and criminals and depressive activity? All of which promotes negativity and doesn’t create a healthy, friendly society and atmosphere.
    I may seem stupid even comical unless you look at it from a different perspective.

  • Sophist

    I’m all in favour of more crime reporting, especially if relates how little crime there is in Hungary compared to western European countries like the UK:
    “it is true that your chances of being murdered in Hungary are now 50% higher than in the UK (0.0205 v. 0.014 per ’000) but you are still 2.5 times more likely to be raped, 6.6 times more likely to be assaulted, and 4.4 times more likely to be a robbed in the UK.”
    I now have an explanation for the high murder rate – the state of the Health Service. If you are attacked and survive, it’s merely assault, if you die it’s murder. It’s easy to imagine that more victims die either in or on their way to the hospital in Hungary than in the UK.
    Hungarians are surprisingly obsessed with criminality, especially that of their underclass; who seem comparatively unproductive. It’s not the quantity of crime reporting that is the problem it’s the lack of perspective.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I5BGsK5ZAU Viking

    I may seem stupid even comical unless you look at it from a different perspective.
    freedom at December 14, 2010 3:11 PM

    Yeah, like the perspective you get after learning Juche Idea in Pyongyang, Democratic People’s Republic of Korea
    That is *very* positive thinking
    .
    If we make this law retroactive for the last 5 years and fine these Commercial Media (only of course (tip they are foreign-owned…)) ridiculous fines, that have to be paid inside 3 months (without appeal of course) Orban could take away State taxes totally next year
    To fix the budget for 2012, there will be a reversal of this crime reporting law, one year later, that will fine all Commercial Media (the same ones as this year) for not reporting *enough* on crimes on prime time
    It will be a sure milk-cow
    If there still are any foreign-owned media alive in Hungary 2013, the law will be reverted another time. In the end there will be only be Fidesz-controlled media, then all other will be regarded as “information terrorists” and treated in that way
    What a wonderful future the Fidesz/Jobbik-alliance will give us

  • Justice

    “What a wonderful future the Fidesz/Jobbik-alliance will give us”
    You don’t have a future. Not in Hungary.
    I reported your anti-government activities to Swedish Zionazi Asshole Removal (SZAR). After you served your sentence in the same prison cell with Gyurcsany, you’ll be deported to Sweden.

  • wolfi

    @justice (very apt name):
    May I just quote our resident loonie (spelling mistakes included without extra payment):
    “your nothing but a piece of shit!
    Law at December 14, 2010 6:03 PM”

  • Hévíz Elek

    wolfi Likes to soak in a pool of pensioners’ piss in Hévíz. That’s one of the many reasons why he stinks so much.

  • wolfi

    “The flow of water is very strong and the lake is believed to be completely replenished each day.”
    wiki has to say about Héviz. The German edition is more exact:
    “Der Heilsee in Hévíz ist mit einer Fläche von rund 4,4 Hektar der größte natürliche und biologisch aktive Thermalsee der Welt. Dieser wird durch eine Thermalquelle aus einem Krater in 38 Metern Tiefe gespeist. Die Quelle ist mit 410 Litern pro Sekunde derart ergiebig, dass sich das Wasser innerhalb 48 Stunden komplett austauscht.”
    Maybe it would help some of the posters here to relax in the water …
    But I fear that their brains have dystrophied to such an extent that there is no more help for them – just let them rot …

  • judas

    Hungary that is a great idea .
    Not more than 20% crime reporting…
    Go for it.This is the time to get onboard. Please show you creativeness to beat the 20% limit.
    Murder und corruption would not any more in the the news .Please do it. The more corrupt you get
    the better the nation will feel. No reporting anymore and everything will be presented with
    a 35% dose of hungarian folk music.
    the paradise is near. I love it.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I5BGsK5ZAU Viking

    the paradise is near. I love it.
    judas at December 16, 2010 12:11 PM

    And Our Little Hussar has missed this thread for days now
    Wonder why?
    Maybe she cannot blame:
    * “the jews”
    * “the communists”
    * Israel
    * US Government and other minorities on the American continent
    * Brussels
    Maybe no one else but “Jobbik” (and their side-kick Fidesz) is to be blamed for this ‘law’?
    But it makes for good fun, so it cannot be that bad?

  • rado

    “the paradise is near. I love it.”
    -
    ‘our brighter future has begun’

  • judas

    Helpful tips for Tourists to Budapest.
    Found in 5 years old Budapest tourist info:
    The Tram is also a favourite method of suicide for Hungarians oweing to the fact that a tram driver is unlikely to stop the tram if you cross it’s path as well as the fact that once you have been struck, if for any reason your writhing body is in the way, the tram driver will have no qualms in kicking your broken body out of the way although there is no guarantee of a swift death, you can at least be assured of being left to bleed out as the tram operator proceeds on with his mission of reaching the end station as fast as humanly possible and with utter disregard for the recommended operating speeds of the tram.
    this fact might be useful to attract a new kind
    tourismn to Hungary. “touristical shahidim”.
    only an idea.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I5BGsK5ZAU Viking

    Still one more day without Our Little Hussar commenting on this thread
    One can think she is ducking the issue at be – Is it correct to restrict Crime Reporting on Commercial Media?
    Given the fact that his beloved kuruc-info does nothing else but call everything a ‘crime’
    Maybe this “Jobbik”-sponsored law could be ‘developed’ into a restriction for web-sites not to call happenings in society for ‘crimes’ and stop reporting about them and instead just report about ‘positive things’
    That would put a real damper on kuruc-info, not so much to read on that web-site then

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I5BGsK5ZAU Viking

    Still one more day without Our Little Hussar commenting on this thread
    One can think she is ducking the issue at be – Is it correct to restrict Crime Reporting on Commercial Media?
    Probably because he cannot find the words how to blame this “Jobbik”-sponsored law on “the jews”?

  • rado

    viking…”Probably because he cannot find the words
    how to blame this “Jobbik”-sponsored law on “the
    jews”?”
    (maybe) the explanation for this law is that the
    Jews have (vigourously and rhythmically) penetrated
    even the pristine Jobbik-party.
    Another explanation would be ‘mere stupidity’, that
    is : simple inability to think out a coherent
    policy, one which would be both statist-totalitarian
    and racist at the same time.

  • Our Little Viki

    Still obsessed with completely surrendering to jews? They don’t like you, why are you so much in love with them? You’re nothing but a useful idiot for them. Just because you’re ignorant, it doesn’t mean that there’s no jewish problem. It affects all of us. Bury your head in the sand if you want.
    Denial will not make the problem go away.

  • OurLittle Ricsi

    Ricsi, you hypocrite, changing your alias while at the same time claiming elsewhere to only post under your own name… how many times have you used the stalinist phrase “useful idiot” in your predictable ravings? Too many. It gives you away. Posting under many monikers may seem like there is more support for your narrow nazi influenced anti semitic views, but everytime you repaqt a phrase or link to some David Duke video or to some crap like “rense”or “whatreallyhappened.com” it is obviously you.
    So, what happened at Vienna Polytechnic Uni that turned you into a baby Goebbels?

  • Pete H

    Why does this site tolerate hate speech? Email the site
    editor and ask that community standards be established and
    enforced. This site is a bastion for hate speech.

  • DoubleH63

    @Pete H.
    Why do you have a problem with freedom of speech? Surely the Founding Fathers of your country had a different opinion on this one.

  • http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/GazaHolo/index.html LHVJ

    Pete H: “This site is a bastion for hate speech.”
    I agree but if we did not have you and the other Hungarian haters spreading your hate and filth, there would be very little activity on this list and the advertisers would complain…

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I5BGsK5ZAU Viking

    Why do you have a problem with freedom of speech? Surely the Founding Fathers of your country had a different opinion on this one.
    DoubleH63 at December 19, 2010 1:04 AM

    Funny that the pro”Jobbik” posters always seem just to ‘forget’ their beloved Party’s single contribution to contemporary Hungarian Laws
    Which of course is about limiting Free Speech, by putting a limit on how much Commercial media can report on Crime during Prime Time
    “Jobbik” obviously does not believe Hungarians can take the ‘Truth’, so it must be limited to a certain %

  • DoubleH63

    @Viking
    Funny that the anti-Jobbik posters always just seem to ‘forget’ the Law their beloved previous Parliament made about limiting free speech last year.
    As for the “Crime Reporting” Law – I don’t get the need for it; in my opinion it’s stupid. As for the previous law I mentioned – It’s not only stupid but criminal.

  • DoubleH63

    Correction: The law I am talking about was made this year.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I5BGsK5ZAU Viking

    As for the previous law I mentioned – It’s not only stupid but criminal.
    DoubleH63 at December 19, 2010 12:01 PM

    For a law to be criminal, it needs to break a law
    So which law did the law break?
    .
    I do not claim that this new “Jobbik”-law that puts quotas on Commercial media’s reporting on criminality is “criminal”, but maybe the European Court Of Justice will rule like that, and then we have to accept it
    The “hate-speech” law you are referring to is done in accordance to the framework laid down by the European Union and commonly accepted in Europe, where we, in difference to the US, value “hate-speech” not only towards individuals, but towards group of people
    Something that is hard for you US-guys to grasp

  • Pete H.

    I have no problem with free speech.

    “The conservative government of Israel carries out policies towards Palestinians that deprive them of their human rights. Certain but not all military actions by the Israeli government have been violations of international humanitarian law. Unless Israel changes its policies towards the Palestinians, it should face international sanctions.”

    I agree with the above statement and do not find it offensive or hateful or bigoted.

    I do have a problem with hate speech.

    “Jews are an international problem that must be faced. They are murderous zionazis that care only for themselves. If the holocaust has succeeded we would be living in a better world today.”

    The above is hate speech that has no redeeming intellectual value.

    Even though the first example is not hate speech it has no place on the site that is aimed at discussing Hungary. And when Hungary is criticized in the manner of the first example it does not constitute hatred of Hungary. When certain posters revert to ranting about Israel when the discussion is about Hungary they are simply engaging in the immature behavior of redirection.

    Community standards on this site would encourage example one and remove any posts that crossed the line into hate speech.

    Free speech in the US: Many US corporations and Universities and all state and federal agencies have hate speech codes. These codes are not incompatible with reasoned free speech.

  • justasking

    @Pete H,
    “Certain but not all military actions by the Israeli government have been violations of international humanitarian law. Unless Israel changes its policies towards the Palestinians, it should face international sanctions.”
    I agree. So, what aren’t they?
    Why are they not being treated and threatened by the International Community the way anybody else in this situation would be?

  • Pete H.

    I was not starting a discussion about Israel. I was trying to illustrate the difference between hate and protected speech.
    I also wrote” “Even though the first example is not hate speech it has no place on the site that is aimed at discussing Hungary. …snip.. When certain posters revert to ranting about Israel when the discussion is about Hungary they are simply engaging in the immature behavior of redirection.”

    I’d be glad to discuss crime reporting in Hungary.

  • justasking

    @ Pete H,
    “I’d be glad to discuss crime reporting in Hungary”
    Okay…well…umm…I need you to clarify something for me.
    Would this comment:
    “Certain but not all military actions by the Israeli government have been violations of international humanitarian law. Unless Israel changes its policies towards the Palestinians, it should face international sanctions.”
    not fall under the category of crime reporting in Hungary? Or, do you consider crime reporting in Hungary only to cover those crimes which occur within it’s boarders?
    And, if you do believe ‘crime reporting in Hungary’ would/should include international instances…..
    “Why is Israel not being treated and threatened by the International Community the way anybody else in this situation would be?”
    Also, in my opinion, this type of upsetting news coverage would be better presented in the Evening and not the Morning shows so as not to upset people all day. Any thoughts?

  • Pete H.

    1) I’d be glad to answer the first questions since it is on topic. Yes, report international crimes and a fair and fact-based analysis of them.
    2) If people don’t want to be upset, they can turn the news off. Adult Hungarian people are not children, they can regulate their own news consumption.

  • justasking

    @ Pete H,
    “2) If people don’t want to be upset, they can turn the news off. Adult Hungarian people are not children, they can regulate their own news consumption.”
    I hope you realize I was being sarcastic?

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