Thousands protest media law

The moron is the one who doesn’t realize that wealthy, successful countries have free speech and countries without free speech are almost universally poor and unpleasant places to live for most of their population. The only exceptions are countries with enough oil to export most of it. China is wealthy only because of its size – most of its people are dirt poor and miserable. Free speech is part of the necessary mix of freedoms that can lead to economic success. If Hungary wants to be economically successful, it needs to keep its media free, and this law will do the opposite.

they carry on publishing poignant, shrewd and stinging political attacks on the government.
Leto at January 29, 2011 10:15 PM
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Could there be three reasons for this:
a) The new law pn printed press does not start to work until the Summer?
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b) They are playing on the probably fact that the new Media Authority will not fine them during the EC-scrutiny
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c) They just want to have a fine asap, so they can make more noise later, like “what did we tell you!”

journalist Tibor Bakács has become a shoplifter. Leto at February 7, 2011 9:47 PM
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Given the fact that he stole from Tesco, should he not be getting The Hungarian Freedom Medallion of The Highest Valour?
Stealing from the Rich Multies, must be a Communist, ohh sorry I meant Hungarian Nationalist of course

MSZP’s radio station (Klub rádió) has suspended the shoplifter from his presenter job … for a whole month!
“We think society needs at least a month to digest this thing”, editor-in-chief Ferenc Vicsek Ferenc said. 😀
Come on, don’t deprive all those eager MSZP-fans of the chief organizer of these civil demonstrations!
I’m pretty sure these (mostly Gyurcsány-fan) radio listeners have already forgiven him. He was hungry after all. And that was certainly because the fascist Orbán-regime is after this champion of freedom rights and democratic values. Poor opposition journalists are starving to death and they are being fired from their jobs in Orbán’s dictatorship. Help, Europe!

The shoplifter has been dismissed from his job at those “civil”(*) demonstrations. 😀
Why is this poor thief suffering because of his free-time activities, unrelated to the terms of his being a champion of the free press and a freedom fighter against the brutal Orbán-dictatorship?
http://hvg.hu/itthon/20110208_bakacs_tibor_sajtoszabadsag
(*) ROFLMAO, bruhaha and all that…
PS: “bruhaha” is Hungarian and it expresses a roaring laughter (this remark was made for the benefit of Bystander)

I know and it doesn’t matter at all.

I had known it. That’s why I made a reference to a certain Bystander who is similarly desperate in trying to trump me like you are. Why don’t you focus on the topic instead, i.e. the shoplifting freedom fighter who used to be behind these “civil” demonstrations? 😉

😀 You poor soul…
I see you don’t feel like chatting about the postcommie freedom fighter shoplifter. I do understand.
He said he’s really a very inexperienced shoplifter, that’s why he was caught, so make sure you follow his lead only in matters of high moral issues. You know, for example the freedom of press (according to the preferences of postcommie bastards like him and you)

The shoplifter has been dismissed from his job at those “civil”(*) demonstrations
Leto at February 8, 2011 2:30 PM
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Did he have an employment contract?
Are the “”civil”(*) demonstrations” to be seen as an employer?
So why are you doing these comparisons?
We really understand that you have an urgent need to mix everything and remove any form of job security in Hungary, then The Great Leader just needs *loyal* supporters, as The Great Leader just needs *loyal* opposition

“One of the best friends”* of the postcommie shoplifter said:
“Our troubles would be solved, for example, if a TV station would be established where we could go to. Obviously there’s no chance for that.”
Hey, what about ATV, the MSZP party TV channel? Ah, he answers this: “we haven’t been on the payroll list of either the Socialist or Fidesz”.
No, you were actually on the payroll list of SZDSZ. But SZDSZ is gone, so is Mr. Kóka with his red helicopter and 2 million HUF watch. So “liberal” journalist are hungry… for salami. Why not for caviar?
Para-Kovács “hopes that after the events of the last few days people’s eyes would open up and they’d stand up for themselves”.
This sentence immediately follows the description of the pitiful finances of his thief friend (“he has to live on about 150 thousand netto Forints and he has to pay child allowance and his debt to the tax office”**), so he must have referred to his friend’s shoplifting.
*Imre Para-Kovács is certainly the very same kind of postcommie (“liberal” in their parlance) journalist like the thief himself.
** the shoplifter failed to pay taxes and health insurance for SIX years and now he must pay up!
http://www.napiaszonline.hu/aktualis/parakovacs_imre_alkalmi_osszegekbol_tartjuk_fent_magunkat_26424

The thief is selling his “story of shoplifting” for several hundreds of thousands Forints… And he’s not only selling it, he’s being paid!
http://www.mediatica.ro/hirek/szines/50578/bakacs-szazezrekert-adja-el-a-lopas-sztorijat.html
This is so damned typical of the sick morals of these “left-liberal celebrities”. Really appalling.

@justasking:
Yup. Besides this kind of media filth, obviously there’s a market for illegal hard drugs and child pornography, too. The question is if the existence of these markets should be tolerated in a civilized country or not.

The question of changing some commas or words in some law isn’t interesting anymore.
The fact that this salami thief has been the face of these so-called civil demonstrations is. This is what Hungary is talking about, not about those commas.:)

@Leto In the space of 4 hours, you’ve made references about insulting families, and using words like “filth”, “child pornography”, “rape”, “ilk” on just 2 threads. Really sad!

Besides this kind of media filth, obviously there’s a market for illegal hard drugs and child pornography, too. The question is if the existence of these markets should be tolerated in a civilized country or not
Leto at February 9, 2011 3:43 PM
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So this is how you portrait The Great Leader and his censors?
Anything that can be deemed as filth, *including* Bakács’ “story” (of which I would probably not read), is supposed to be illegal
I actually seriously doubt you are any kind of Fidesz-supporter
You are just out to make Fidesz look bad
And you are doing a good job about it

So here goes another from that ilk:
István Verebes, a ‘liberal’ (postcommie) journalist, a TV talk-show man, etc. said he doesn’t condemn what Bakács did and he thinks this is a kind of a rebelling in a certain sense.
Similarly to Para-Kovács, Verebes also hopes that “people will open up their eyes” in this case.
http://www.napiaszonline.hu/bulvar/verebes_istvan_nem_erzi_felelosnek_magat_bakacs_helyzete_miatt_26450

Yet another quite from Para-Kovács:
“Has anybody got an idea to avoid that Bakács’ soon-to-be-born baby would starve? If there isn’t then you all should shut up now!”
Now this is becoming a real cheesy soup opera. People will soon start donating to the tax evading salami thief who is selling his shoplifting story for good money on TV.

A few days earlier, the shoplifter postcommie ‘freedom fighter’ said that he earns so miserably little that he didn’t have money left for food and he was hungry. Now he clarified what he meant by that “miserably little”: “After paying the mortgage, the bills and the tax debts, I had 80 thousand Forints left and I couldn’t make both ends meet with that.”
FYI, a lot of people in Hungary earn 80 thousands altogether. Or actually less.

the shoplifter postcommie ‘freedom fighter’
Leto at February 10, 2011 12:33 PM
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So when are you coming clear about your statements that:
* The US Government supported MSZP in the Hungarian Elections 2002
* Under-aged prostitutes makes it willingly and voluntarily
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Maybe we can count in those statements into your ‘filth-category’ that should be banned?

The postcommie “freedom fighters” are making this into moral stories about “the misery and rebellion of the intellectuals” (you know, it’s 9 months of Fidesz rule what put these creatures into such a poverty that they HAVE to steal salami)
Now the truth: The ex-face of these so-called civil demonstrations, a militant postcommie media footman, a talkshow presenter at the radio channel of MSZP, was doing his weekly shopping. He bought all sort of food but he didn’t have enough money on him to buy that salami. So he stole it.

The starving shoplifter* used his car to go to the supermarket
Leto at February 10, 2011 1:29 PM
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So when are you coming clear about your statements that:
* The US Government supported MSZP in the Hungarian Elections 2002
* Under-aged prostitutes makes it willingly and voluntarily
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Maybe we can count in those statements into your ‘filth-category’ that should be banned?

@justasking:
Perhaps you don’t quite understand why this whole story is “cseppben a tenger” (“a drop showing the sea”, BTW what’s the English idiom for this Hungarian idiom?)
Look what those so-called “European intellectuals” wrote above.
And here’s another one:
Using this shoplifting story as a motive, another typical individual of this unique species (TGM, Miklós Tamás Gábor) nicely blended sentences, in a recent article on Hírszerző, like
“so Orbán said in his big speech that crimes cannot be palliated by birth, difficult circumstances, good political connections or well-connected professional social networks in the international scene”* with trying to fend off public disgust from his corrupt philosopher friends (Ms. Heller and her lot).
* Mr. Orbán said this in his state-of-the-nation speech indeed. TGM uses this quote to imply the philosophers are being persecuted for political reasons and this shoplifter is a victim, too, in the end somehow.
Do you get it now why this is much,much more than a tabloid story?

According the latest info, it’s more like several hundreds of thousands Forints what the shoplifting (postcommie) “European intellectual” and “media celebrity” got rather than 100000 HUF only.
Shoplifting seems to pay off well for this petty thief.
http://hirszerzo.hu/shake/20110210_hajdu_frizbi_bakacs_gazsi

@olga:
I think you should read up on this story here if you do want to understand Hungarian politics better. See yourself how the shoplifter’s “European intellectual” friends reacted.

As an antidote to the tabloid dribble being posted here in a sophomoric attempt to distract from the real issues regarding the media law:

http://hungarianwatch.wordpress.com/2011/02/09/hungarian-watch-exclusive-interview-with-peter-molnar-fidesz-party-co-founder-part-2-of-3/

And a chance for Leto to be real fool and call this guy a post-commie. He never was a member of the communist party but rather one of the co-founders of Fidesz.

@olga:
I read the whole article and I couldn’t see much sarcasm in that sentence. “Izgalmas” is better translated as “thilling” or perhaps “gripping” here. The above quotes from his buddies weren’t jokes either. BTW, actually Mr. Bakács was paid *several* hundreds of thousands of Forints for his petty theft.
@justaking:
No, “a drop in the bucket” means that something is too insignificant compared to something else. Here the meaning of the phrase is that something small characterizes something huge very well.
Yes, your summary is about right. Bakács is a victim of whatever and his “thrilling shoplifting story” is not what it is in fact.
Certainly they only imply that this is because of the 9 month Fidesz rule.
All this reveals much about these “left-liberal intellectuals”.
Yup, unfortunately Orbán is simply awful at choosing his PR advisors. And sometimes even more important people.

@Olga,
“Interesting concept that stealing salami is “izgalmas” and marketable, and is stealing a chicken is petty theft”
I don’t understand what you mean by this?
If you mean that some are finding this story ‘exciting’ because finally a person who had it all, lost is all and is reduced to stealing a salami because of his own arrogance…
I’m not finding this story exciting….
Besides, stealing a chicken from some elderly person in rural Hungary…is so 80’s :))
( Yes, for the love of Pete…I’m being sarcastic)
@ Leto,
” Here the meaning of the phrase is that something small characterizes something huge very well”
” storm in a tea cup’:
this is when people are making more of something then it actually is, blowing something all out of proportion…is this what you mean?

@justasking:
No, that’s “vihar egy pohár vízben” (storm in a glass of water) or “vihar a biliben” (storm in the night pot).
“Mint cseppben a tenger” is a short version of “úgy tükröződik benne, mint vízcseppben a tenger”. The idea is that something tiny, which is part of something huge, describes what the big thing is about.
There exist also “cseppben a tenger” which is exactly the same as “a drop in the bucket” or “a drop in the sea”
All right, maybe there isn’t a corresponding English idiom, don’t lose any sleep over it.

@ Leto,
Huh?! (picture also the the left side of my lip is curled as I’m saying this)
It started like this:
Leto said: “Perhaps you don’t quite understand why this whole story is “cseppben a tenger”…BTW what’s the English idiom for this Hungarian idiom?)
I replied: “The only thing that comes to my mind is the saying ‘a drop in the bucket'”….
Leto says: “No, “a drop in the bucket” means that something is too insignificant compared to something else. Here the meaning of the phrase is that something small characterizes something huge very well”
Zsuzsa then says: “storm in a tea cup’:
“this is when people are making more of something then it actually is, blowing something all out of proportion…is this what you mean?”
Leto replies back: “No, that’s “vihar egy pohár vízben” (storm in a glass of water) or “vihar a biliben” (storm in the night pot). & “”Mint cseppben a tenger” is a short version of “úgy tükröződik benne, mint vízcseppben a tenger”.
“There exist also “cseppben a tenger” which is exactly the same as “a drop in the bucket”
Quick recap:
a)”cseppben a tenger”…BTW what’s the English idiom for this Hungarian idiom?)
b)’a drop in the bucket’
c) “No”
d)”There exist also “cseppben a tenger” which is exactly the same as “a drop in the bucket”
e) Huh? (lip is still curled)
Now, I know that sometime I miss read posts…but what am I missing here?

@justasking:
I might have easily garbled it up and I don’t feel like checking but this is the thing:
“cseppben a tenger” (‘a drop of water in the sea’) = a drop in the bucket
“mint cseppben a tenger” (‘like a drop of water reflecting the sea’) = ??

So here goes yet another of those “European intellectuals” aka postcommie media workers, the infamous Iván Andrassew:
“Then the terrible moment happened. He hid that salami somewhere. It’s obvious he wasn’t at his wits… I imagine recently he lived through that he couldn’t feed his children.”
Some other typical sentences from Andrassew’s writing:
“In addition the new administration came. The regime of utter revenge.”
“My environment is full of anxious (worrying) people. They are intellectuals, with multiple degrees. They are completely helpless.”
“Maybe Bakács should have sit in the street, somewhere, and he should have begged. I would have joined him if he asks me to.”
Once again for the facts: Mr. Bakács drove to a supermarket and he did his weekly shopping with his new girlfrined. He bought a number of things but he didn’t have enough money for a bar of salami. Since he’s got an overdeveloped sense of entitlement, which is so characteristic of his kind, he stole the salami.
http://mandiner.hu/cikk/20110209_ami_bakacsot_illeti

The postcommie journalist thief wanted a bit of cheese and some more, too. 😀 However he managed to dump those under the table while the guards didn’t look.
Watch the video: http://www.hirtv.hu/belfold?article_id=365327&highlight_text=Bak%E1cs
I read he said in the interview, which he was paid “several hundreds of thousands Forints” for, that stealing the salami was a sudden and quick act, like a mental shortcut for a moment, which he cannot account for. Well, apparantly he had a few more moments like that, one after the other. Salami and cheese, etc. are definitely placed on the same shelves.

Nope, this new development is not stale at all. It’s breaking news. So the postcommie media footman, chief organizer of these so-called civil demonstrations, journalist and thief lied big time in the several hundreds of thousands Forint interview, too. He systematically stole several things. Now he’s facing new charges and fines. Maybe it’s time for another interview like that?

Oops, I meant that salami, cheese and other stuff this postcommie journalist, shoplifter and public face of these so-called “civil demonstrations”, allegedly to defend the freedom of press, are definitely NOT placed on the very same shelves.
So the exposed postcommie anchorman must have done quite a tour in the supermarket and he had those “brief mental blackouts” several times. How interesting that he failed to mention these in the interview which he was paid several hundreds of thousands Forints.. Ah, yes, he said he was VERY hungry and he had no money. Fortunately he had money to fill up the tank of his car so that he could drive to the supermarket. It would have been really bad if he had to cheat on the bus, too, because he had no 4500 HUF (2500 HUF for the salami and 2000 HUF for the other stuff he hid in front of the security cam) and he would have been caught by a controller, aren’t I right?
Now let’s shed some tears for this postcommie who is starved to death by the brutal Orban-regime.. See above what his left-liberal friends wrote in their media whose freedom is threatened by the new media law. All this must be really some plot to smear this immaculate man and the freedom movement he stands for…