Around 100 Csango people, members of a Hungarian ethnographic group living mostly in Moldavia, Romania, swore their oaths of allegiance to become Hungarian citizens in the Buda castle on Tuesday, as part of the celebrations commemorating the 163rd anniversary of the 1848-49 revolution and war of independence from Habsburg rule.
First district Mayor Tamas Gabor Nagy, of the ruling Fidesz-Christian Democratic alliance, said this was a historic moment for the Csango Hungarians. By taking up Hungarian citizenship, their century-long exclusion comes to an end, he added.
After the nearly 100 Csango people took their oaths, a Csango cultural festival started in the castle quarter.
Moving moment, it bring tears to one eyes, 100 is
fine but how about the rest ?
Out of the 265 000 ‘csango’ in Moldavia/Romania a
percent of 98,52%(!) declared themselves as ethnic
Romanian (of Chatolic religion) at the 2002 census.
Rado,
Quite. I see evidence of this sort of thing among Vojvodina Hungarians too. The pull to assimilate is pretty strong.
What is a “Romanian” anyway? I thought they were Dacians? Nothing but a social construct to falsify history…..
‘Dacians’? he he. They wish and they wish. Vlachs, actually.
–Gandi …”What is a “Romanian” anyway?”
Their origin is a mystery yet it is certainly
related with the former Roman Empire, the empire
which once ruled over all Est-Europe (including
“Dacia-Trajana”, the Roman name for the present
geographic region which is today “Romania”)
Wikipedia says that there are “an ethnic group
native to Romania, who speak Romanian”(a Romance,
Neo-Latin, language) and that there are some 25
millions of them.
–Dacians’? he he. They wish and they wish.
Vlachs, actually.
“Vlach” (Valach, Wallach, Olah) is an exonym, a
name given by others, as it is “Hungarian” instead
of “Magyar”, or German instead of “Deutsch”.
Having never lived in Hungary and all my life been idenitified as a child of a generation of ‘exiled’ Hungarians I wish the ciizenship offered the Csango could be extended to ALL Hungarians whom have become victims of the ‘diaspora’ imposed on us since the end of the First World War (although I do suspect Hungarians in Hungary would only see us as ‘out of touch foreignors’ – a pity, because I think I could contribute economically and socially to the homeland)
Nicholas, hungarians who see hungarians living outside the present borders of Hungary as “foreigners” are narrow minded people with no knowledge of history, cultural identity and genetics!
All hungarians no matter where they live are part of the extended family we call the hungarian nation!
These days, because of dangeriousliberal politics, we have real foreigners (africans, asians ect) who have a hungarian passport, but that will never make them hungarian!
Nicholas, you can apply for the hungarian nationality.
I don’t know where you life, but you only have to go to a hungarian ambassy near you and they tell you what to do!
Hungary needs people like you…
“Vlach” (Valach, Wallach, Olah) is an exonym, a name given by others, as it is “Hungarian” instead of “Magyar”, or German instead of “Deutsch”.
lex at March 17, 2011 8:24 AM
You have got this perfectly: the wrong way round.
Besides, there is not a scrap of archaeological evidence that the Romans ever colonised anything that would correspond to a territory ‘Dacia’ that has anything to do with contemporary Rumanian territory. The only contact of the Vlachs with the Romans occurred through the itinerant Vlach traders’ journeys to the Roman outpost Illyria, which, roughly, is the territory of Albania.
@The stupid ignorant Nazi witch (or bitch ?): Just look here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:RomanEmpire_117.svg
Or even better:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dacia
“… but several Dacian settlements are recorded in part of area between Dniester and Hypanis river (the Bug), and Tisia (the Tisza) to the west (but at times included areas between Tisza and middle Danube). The Carpathian Mountains were located in the middle of Dacia. It thus corresponds to modern countries of Romania and Moldova, as well as smaller parts of Bulgaria, Serbia, Hungary, and Ukraine.”
How stupid can you get ?
But elle has shown before her disregard for facts …
wolfi…”But elle has shown before her disregard
for facts”
She was amusing with that statement. As for the
“Daco-Roman theory”, Encyclopedia Britannica :
“The Romanian people was formed by the
Romanization of the Roman Province of Dacia. The
Romanians are descended from local populations:
Dacians (Getae, Thracians) and Roman legionnaires
and colonists. In the course of the two wars with
the Roman legions, between 101–102 AD and 105–106
AD respectively, the emperor Trajan succeeded
after in defeating the Dacians and the greatest
part of Dacia became a Roman province. The
colonization with Roman or Romanized elements, the
use of the Latin language and the assimilation of
Roman civilization as well as the intense
development of urban centres led to the
Romanization of the autochthonous population. This
process was probably concluded by the 10th century
when the assimilation of the Slavs by the Daco-
Romanians was completed.”
^ Encyclopedia Britannica, 2009, O.Ed
It is almost impossible to imagine that Romanians/Dacian/Vlach were able to hide from the 3rd to the 13th century AD. Where we all your cities and castles? Why are all the castles/towns built by Germans, Hungarians/Szeklers? Why did the Hungarian Crown invite Germans, Vlach etc if you guys were there all along? Why is the international community and historical community split on the origins of the “Romanian” people? When all other ethnic groups (Hungarians, Croatians, Bulgars, Serbs etc.) have a clear and concise history. The international community is split on your origins… From 3rd century AD to 13th AD, almost a dozen ethnic groups crossed Transylvania (Slavs, Huns, Mongols, Avars), there is no way you could have existed as a nation/entity..Sounds nice, but your whole theory is very shotty and full of holes..no very sound
Herodotos (Histories, written 440 BC) called ‘Scythians’ the peoples on the ‘lands East and North of the Danube river’ (i.e., Transylvania). His Scythians are a diverse group of peoples he supposed were descendants of the Sumerians. The name ‘Thracians’ comes up in Homer and Hesiod in the 18th-17th century BC. Their ‘Thracians’ refers to peoples of mono-theistic faiths, not to an ethnic group of peoples. When the Romans conquered (106 AD) the land of the Scythians, whom they called the Daci (Thracians) for their mono-theistic faith, they called the territory Dacia. So the story that there ever was an ethnic group called ‘the Dacians’ is a myth. The Romans named a region ‘Dacia’. They did not defeat a (non-existent) people called the Dacians. (The only Roman artefacts, such as they are, uncovered in Rumania have been uncovered in Transylvania.) Rumanians = Dacians is a blatant idiocy.
“Why is the international community and historical
community split on the origins of the “Romanian”
people?”
It is not that split, that was a quote from
Ency.Brit./2009 which is regarded as objective,
neutral, and is the most often used reference.
The Hungarian(Roessler) theory is far less popular
internationally than the Daco-Roman theory.
In general, it is difficult to say in great detail
what happened with the Romanized population of the
empire during the fall of the Roman Empire and the
13th century, the so called “missing centuries” or
“dark ages”. It was the age of the nomadic
Germanic tribes and central-Asia invaders (as the
Magyars, Cumans, Mongols).
After the Roman Empire fell, in many areas of the
former empire the romanized population regressed
to a rustic, village based, style of living which
leaves little evidence.
The written sources coming from that period are
very few and contradictory.
I suppose that the Daco-Roman theory for the
Romanians origin is just the “most probable”.
And it is equally difficult to say that a a Latin
people, twice as numerous as any of its neighbors
of different ethnic-linguistic origins, is not
related to the former roman
@Elle, who once again likes to cherry pick
facts/information…
Re: Homer (right after mentioning Herodotus but
skipping the key data)
“Their ‘Thracians’ refers to peoples of mono-
theistic faiths, not to an ethnic group of
peoples.”
Yes, but in HERODOTUS, the Thracians are mentioned
REPEATEDLY as a geographic group of people
(associated with “Thrace” across from the
Hellespont/current location of Istanbul, on Greek
peninsula, near Macedonia). He mentions them
*repeatedly* in this context (no mention that I
recall of monotheism there in his Histories) as
being a nation of “people” that live in “Thrace”.
Then again, I’m virtually certain that Elle never
READ Herodotus’ Histories, she just Googled what
concerned her, twisted the facts and thought
“surely no one here will call me on this B.S.,
cause probably no one actually READ the
Histories.”
Well, you *were* wrong and continue to be wrong in
an inordinate number of your B.S. theories and
attempts to prove people wrong at…. at…
anything you possibly can. Nice try “Ms. Google”!
When all other ethnic groups (Hungarians, Croatians, Bulgars, Serbs etc.) have a clear and concise history
Gandi at March 17, 2011 5:42 PM
—
You must be joking?
You guys cannot agree upon anything regarding the Hungarian history, from where you are coming, or you where here as God put you here, if Jesus actually was a Magyar, etc
Just let ‘law’ lose on early Hungarian history and it will be real funny
‘elle junk’ already started with her ‘Scythian-theory’ (Magyar->Scythian->Sumerian), the one “Jobbik” want to ‘investigate about by creating its own institution’
@Bystander “Nice try “Ms. Google”!”
Says the guy who just very recently was furiously reading the Wiki page on Dacia instead of Herodotus’ Histories.
Bullshit. I did no such thing. I happen to have
read Herodotus’s Histories, though (you should try
it sometime… *reading*, I mean), so I happened
to see Elle’s bullshit from 30,000 feet away.
Now do YOU do anything besides deny the Holocaust
and try to catch people smarter than yourself
doing things they didn’t do?
The fact is, I don’t *give a crap* about Dacia or
any of this, other than trying to highlight to any
reader what lying pieces of stupidity the likes of
you and Elle are. That gives me pleasure and
perhaps even provides a useful service for
newcomers. Because anyone who’s been here awhile
already *knows* what jackasses you are.
–You guys cannot agree upon anything regarding the
Hungarian history
.
The early history really doesn’t matter since today
most of the Hungarians come from the magyarized
european population (Slav, Germans, Romanians).
Very few, if any, still resemble the people living
in despotic petty states in Central Asia (Finno-
Ugric&Turkic). Except Orban, that is.
To DoubleHH,
Just as additional proof that I didn’t have to
Google something to KNOW it (ie I actually read and
remember stuff as opposed to your and Elle’s type),
here’s me discussing Herodotus and Scythians
specifically here:
http://www.politics.hu/20100727/palinka-home-
distillation-allowed-from-august-1#c26
Unless you think I hacked Politics.hu
Now go back to your hateful hole where you produce
nothing beneficial for the rest of society.
DoubleHH63,
Excessive pig-ignorance can be funny. Why does the By-J think it significant that Herodotus called ‘Thracians’ the people of Thrace? He must think that ancient Thrace is on the ‘current location of Istanbul, on Greek peninsula, near Macedonia’, (he copied this neatly from Wiki!) and therefore in Rumania. Then he starts Holocausting … again! Can’t these people see that every time they hit their keyboards they shoot themselves in the foot?
@Elle,
It must really hurt to be jealous of people who
actually READ because that is what you are
expressing. I promise you 100x over I have READ
Herodotus COVER TO FUCKING COVER.
Sorry you are such a jealous uneducated, lying,
misinformed person. (And ugly too).
I didn’t google it, nor did I say exactly what you
said… Thrace was WEST of the Hellespont, not
right NEAR Byzantium/Istanbul, you nitwit.
I would take a verbal test on the spot here on
Herodotus if A. I thought you DESERVED my proving
anything and B. if I thought you wouldn’t cheat by
just Googling/cherrypicking your fake data.
Why it’s so SHOCKING that I read one of histories
MOST CLASSIC and ENLIGHTENING works must be a
mystery to a fake-intellectual such as yourself,
yes, I understand.
Dear Nicholas Kovats and Géza,
I wholeheartedly agree with your mutual sentiments. It’s just common sense and self preservation for us to stick together, wherever we are and to help one another out as best as we can; this is especially true in light of the challenges of our shared history.
I have said before that I consider the overseas Hungarians and their numerous descendents to be a resource to be cultivated and nurtured. Many of them want a connection to Hungary, either as visitors or as people involved with the revival of the nation. This is especially crucial at a time when the demographic and population trends show a steady decline for the country.
The bitter history of repressive regimes has left a scar in the people, causing some of those who lived through them to resent those who left and pursued a better life elsewhere. We have to get over these divisions, as it is our shared future at stake, as well as that of the nation.
@Bystander “Bullshit. I did no such thing.”
I see only two BS here. That you did no such thing, and that the ’szőröstalpúak’ are the descendents of the Roman Empire.
Btw I do believe you read Herodotus.
From 3rd century AD to 13th AD, almost a dozen ethnic groups crossed Transylvania (Slavs, Huns, Mongols, Avars), there is no way you could have existed as a nation/entity. Sounds nice, but your whole theory is very shotty and full of holes..no very sound
Gandi at March 17, 2011 5:42 PM
Exactly. Dacia came into existence in 106 AD when the Romans conquered the peoples who lived in the area that is now Transylvania, and ceased to exist when they abandoned that area in 271 AD. The name ‘Dacia’ that the Roman gave the area can correspond only with Homer’s and Hesiod’s ‘Thracians’, the monotheistic ‘Scythians’ whom Herodotus sets in the president region of Transylvania (‘the ‘lands East and North of the Danube river’). It cannot correspond with Thracians, for then Herodotus would not have called the people of this region ‘Scythians’. If the people of this area were what you’ve called ‘a nation/entity’ at the time the Romans left, we would certainly see archaeological and architectural evidence of that nation both before and after the third century AD. And we do not.
@FL:
From personal experience the following story (I think I’ve mentioned these people before):
Twenty years ago I met a couple from Romania, she is of Hungarian descent, he’s a Schwab. They left Romania in 1990 to find a better life in Germany, although the wife didn’t speak a single word of German – but she learned fast and both soon got jobs …
Their older son is now working for Mercedes – regularly visiting the US facilities of this well known car manufacturer, they bought an old house in Germany and enovated it … – a real success story.
Once a year they visit the old folks in Romania, always stopping by at my place here near the Balaton for a few days’ holiday.
Among themselves they often speak Romanian – but they have German passports now – and who really cares in Europe in the 21st century whether you’re German, Hungarian, Romanian or Pirez …
The past is something you remember – fondly or not …
I’m certain that Roszi néni , my granny’s lifetime nexdoor neighbour cared a lot (sic) about Roman legions, Dacians, Cumans, Roessler,Mongols, Avars and stuff…
They spent more than 40 years speaking eachother’s language – speaking about children , weather, jobs, old age, exchanging recipies and so on in Romanian AND Hungarian. Sometimes the replies were in one language and the answer was given in the other language.
Also – I strongly believe (sic) that my father’s uncle – conveniently named Ambrozie/Ambrusz – who married a Hungarian and lived all his life in Nyíregyháza did that because of his deep disbelief in the Daco-Roman continuity theory…
Romania didn’t exist until the end of the 19th century. The mixed Vlach and Roma population was then declared the shame of the Ottoman Empire.
So there was independence, had to choose a name for the place. The few literate people suggested Substandardia, the Vlachs wanted Vlachia, then the Roma cheated their way into naming the territory after themselves, and Romania was born.
Italians should be pissed, Roma is the name of their capital and former empire. Romania on the other hand can hardly be called a major contributor to European civilization and culture.
@Vlad: Actually, in Latin, the word for the Roman
Empire was “Romania” – not “Roma.” And as a
descendant of the Romans, I’m more than happy for
the Vlachs, Romani, Moldavians and others to name
their new(ish) homeland after it. So there.
” I’m more than happy for the Vlachs, Romani, Moldavians…”
You Americans are easily amused. Why don’t you move to Romania if you think it’s such a great place? We Hungarians just about had enough of you and the crowd of anti-Hungarians your little web effort attracts.
@Gypsyland and all the other Nazis here:
There is a very simple solution for your plight – why don’t you build your own website ?
With your super intelligence and resources it should be easy. You could even post a link here – we always need a place to go when we want to have some clean good fun …
” I’m more than happy for the Vlachs, Romani, Moldavians…”
You Americans are easily amused. Why don’t you move to Romania if you think it’s such a great place? We Hungarians just about had enough of you and the crowd of anti-Hungarians your little web effort attracts.
@DoubleHH and Elle:
:
(referring to me Googling or Wiki-ing Dacia… I
did NOT, I promise to the heavens, O jealous
folk!)
“Bullshit. I did no such thing.” — Bystander
“I see only two BS here. That you did no such
thing…” — DoubleH
Well, besides the fact that I remember LOTS of
places from that work without wiki-ing it (where
the Argives landed, where the Phrygians lived, the
difference between Dorians and Ionians, hell I
still remember a large number of the “peoples”
though I read Herodotus some time ago!)
If you all read the link I posted (below again),
two things should be clear…
1. That I indeed READ and COMPREHENDED a lot about
these ancient peoples.
2. That Elle is WRONG AGAIN with her lie that
she pretends is fact:
” the monotheistic ‘Scythians’ whom Herodotus sets
in the president region of Transylvania (‘the
‘lands East and North of the Danube river’). It
cannot correspond with Thracians, for then
Herodotus would not have called the people of this
region ‘Scythians’. ”
My proof? How convenient that I posted this EXACT
DATA on previous thread making my point completely
watertight
“Hemp grows in Scythia: it is very like flax; only
that it is a much coarser and taller plant: some
grows wild about the country, some is produced by
cultivation: the Thracians make garments of it
which closely resemble linen…”
Bystander at July 28, 2010 5:23 PM
http://www.politics.hu/20100727/palinka-home-
distillation-allowed-from-august-1#c26
PWNED
There is a very simple solution for your plight – why don’t you build your own website ?
wolfi at March 18, 2011 3:24 PM
—
The problem is that those fascist are too coward to start any web-site in Hungary
Only the US is good for them
Those US-lovers…
(cont’d)
If Elle actually COMPREHENDED things instead of
googling things piecemeal, she would have just
“known” that Herotodus described Scythia as
covering a HUGE area… (BTW I think his
descriptions of Scythians are some of the most
detailed/comprehensive in history… but Elle
would never know that, cause you pretend to read
grammar books instead of pretending to read
history).
So, in my understanding (could be wrong) — Thrace
was considered a “part” of Scythia, which seemed
to me in my reading to describe the vast unknown
lands to the “north”, around the Danube but also
farther east… the “barbarian” tribes that were
just a bit North to be understood by the Hellenic
peoples etc. So as in my quote above, I presume
Herodotus meant that he considered the Thracians a
“Scythian people” maybe like the way we might
consider Khazaks a “Central Asian People” or
whatever now… the terms Thrace + Scythia don’t
have to be mutually exclusive.
But Elle would never know that cause she has an
AGENDA (God knows what it is exactly) and she has
to FIT “facts” in with some stupid “storyline”
instead of just reading/listening/accepting facts
and trying to *understand*.
Then add on top of that her incessant need to
prove people wrong (even if they are correct,
especially JEWS), it makes for an annoying
irritant that educates/enlightens no one.
How do you like THEM apples, witch?
I’ve now done a bit of Googling myself to double
check the facts and (contrary to what I remember
reading in Herodotus about Scythia extending as
far as the Danube to the west) see that most of
the maps out there show Scythia stopping around
the west edge of the Black Sea… which does make
the quote I presented a bit confusing, since he
seems to imply that the Thracians are IN
Scythia… however it was bugging me, since I
always had thought that Thrace in all the
descriptions in the Histories were basically a
*Hellenic* people (though “rustic”/”country” folk
that were seen as somewhat treasonous to the
Athenians/Spartans in their collusion with the
Persians etc.).
And I see on some of those maps that Dacia is put
north of Thrace (I had no comment on Dacia either
way) in what looks like current Romania.
I have no idea what that means to Elle’s “agenda”,
but I thought I’d be the bigger person and clarify
what I found upon Googling *after*
reading/comprehending something…
I’m gonna look in a little more to see the Western
edge of what was considered Scythia and see if the
references to the Danube would’ve meant that
Thrace was just a hair too far south to have been
considered “Scythia”… which was a loose
assemblage of tribes much more than any kind of
“nation” in any case.
@Gypsyland and the other mü-Magyar Nazis:
I’ve been living in Hungary now part-time for more than 12 years – and I’ve never met any Magyar, who didn’t welcome me and like me and my friends and family – and with one of them I even fell in (reciprocated!) love.
Even people who voted for Fidesz (for a variety of reasons) are not xyz-phobic like you.
PS: For xyz substitute anything you (dis)like and don’t know and don’t understand …
So my offer still stands:
Get your own website and put up a link here and I’m sure many people like me will visit it – for a time …
For the idiot Bystander:
This is what I said:
‘Herodotos (Histories, written 440 BC) called ‘Scythians’ the peoples on the ‘lands East and North of the Danube river… ‘
This is a remark only about how Herodotus identifies the people on the ‘lands East and North of the Danube river’. It is not a remark about what Herodotus said of the Scythians of Scythia. Herodotus’ point in the remark I cite is that the people who live in the ‘lands East and North of the Danube river’are Scythians, meaning not that they are from Scythia, but that they are Scythians-like for being monotheistic.
You cannot be so very intellectually deprived that you fail to understand this. (Or perhaps you can.)
Look Elle,
If you keep insisting I make a fool of you and I
have the TIME I will gladly oblige you. For now,
I DON’T so I will make this quick.
Do yourself a favor and f-cking READ Herodotus
first of all. It should take you a week or two
and I’m SURE you can use it for all your silly
post-Trianon Propaganda, hatred of Romanians, etc.
so just READ it, it’s actually f-cking a
fascinating book.
When you’re DONE, you will realize the falsehoods
in your various statements. Till then, you can
either take my word for it or do your usual
revisionism as it suits your Neo-Nazi “needs.”
For now, let me point out a couple quick
errors/lies/misstatements you made and then go,
because unlike you, I actually earn my own living,
feed my family, etc. and have things to do besides
indulge Jew-baiting Neo-Nazis online (ugly ones).
First of all… if you did other than
SKIM/Google/Wiki, you’d know that Scythia (at
least under Herodotus) is not just “the peoples on
the ‘lands East and North of the Danube river” as
you stated it. SO WRONG. They were the people
occupying a HUGE FREAKING SWATH of land extending
east way past Central Asia into “Bactria” (what’s
now “Afghanistan”). If you truly understood THAT,
you’d know that your attempt to place them in a
tiny area relative to “Dacia” is f-cking foolish.
That your following statements are absurd. Thrace
is where everyone knows it was/is.
Google it:
http://www.fravahr.org/spip.php?breve430
(cont’d)
And googling it (yes I’m man enough to admit I did;
are you “man” enough?) shows that Dacia WAS in fact
concurrent w/Romania:
http://www.athenapub.com/thrcmap.htm
Who’s stupid again? Go read a grammar book and show
us how smart you are again.
Also, while you’re “at” it, Elle before I go, one
more question… please show the reference to
where the Scythians were “monotheistic” in
Herodotus.
It was bugging me because I remember a reference
to monotheism in Herodotus but was pretty sure it
wasn’t the Scythians… I couldn’t remember for
sure (thinking it was the Persians instead)
so,yep, I googled it. And it’s funny cause you’re
WRONG *AGAIN*:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahura_Mazda
It WAS the Persians! Not the Scythians.
Unless you have some evidence to the contrary, but
I guess you’ll just call me an idiot instead.
It’s funny how (I was out of the grammar
discussion’s details) once someone actually KNOWS
something you like to fib about all day, it turns
out you are *wildly wrong*! Every time! It’s
almost spooky!
Maybe you should check the accreditation at your
Fake University you used to like to talk about.
Hilarious, you were proven wrong/lying on *every
single point*! You have a “perfect record” on
this new topic already!
‘you’d know that Scythia (at
least under Herodotus) is not just “the peoples on
the ‘lands East and North of the Danube river” as
you stated it.’
I ‘stated’ nothing of thge sort. You are more stupid than I at first thought. I really cannot be bothered with you. Take some remedial course in comprehension.
Just took a quick peek to see if Elle could handle
defeat…
“I really cannot be bothered with you.” = “I LOSE;
YOU WERE CORRECT”.
She’s not a *gracious* loser, but at least she’s a
loser!
Nice playin’ with you Elle! Now that you and I have
gone toe-to-toe on two topics (Wilder Penfield &
Dacia/Scythia), and you were carried off on a
stretcher both times, I look forward to whipping
your pseudo-intellectual-self again in the near
future.
@Elle
The joke is on you;
…And “monotheistic Scythians”? That you mentioned
in like 5 different posts?
i.e. you-are-the-joke!
You should venture beyond Stormfront.org
occasionally for your research!
@Bystander “Dacia WAS in fact concurrent w/Romania”
You ‘szellemi toprongy’ and defender of the ‘bocskorosok’ fantasy, Dacia has nothing to do with Romania, only with Erdély (Transylvania or for your benefit with טרנסילבניה).
I know that there are some words in this post that you don’t have a clue about but that’s your problem (and you claim you are part Hungarian, what a joke.)
The joke is that Neo-Nazis like you still exist,
and in Hungary, without shame of all places.
Now if you still have the ability to read, re-read
the thread and you will see that I don’t CARE
about Dacia (I live in the USA; only losers like
you who live in the US as well still have weird
rabid feelings about things like Romania) and this
was not the focus of this “discussion”.
(Besides google a map of Dacia and overlay it upon
a map of modern Europe and see what you get
http://www.athenapub.com/thrcmap.htm
So, I guess since my ancestors left Hungary around
1890 it makes me a “bad Hungarian”. Oh well, I’m
certainly a better HUMAN BEING than *you*, Nazi-
sympathizer/Holocaust denier!
BTW, I’m OK with that!
You apparently can’t read or follow a discussion
properly, so I really don’t care what you just
called me. You’re a WIMP, I know that too
@Bystander
I can overlay maps a 100 times and it still does not come up with Romania.
@Bystander “You’re a WIMP, I know that too
”
What I know that you like to read wiki about Dacia and I am only about 800 miles from you if you want to look me up.
Bystander is one of many examples why people can’t stand jews. He’s an arrogant prick who just cannot shut up. Someone please help him.
@Anti
Maybe the two pharmacist here (wolfi and still appalled) with their little colored pills?
I don’t care about Romania, I thought this place was about
Hungary. Who cares if Romanians are Dacians or Vlachs? Many
“experts” here seem to care much and wish Hungary would go
back to pre-trianon borders…but if we go back in time, how far
do we have to go? Is it OK if we go back to what this Land was
before 895? and according to Herodotus, where were the
magyars located??? Maybe ‘Elle&Co’ can go back in the Ural and
try to find where the magyar came from before coming here and
having descendants that would insult every single soul that has a
different opinion from theirs! So let’s switch from the origin of
the romanian into the origin of the Magyar…
“The Magyars are together with the ancestors of Finns, Lapps
and Estonians, believed to be a people originating from an area
somewhere east of the central Ural. At least their related
languages are judged to begin spreading from somewhere in this
region in the third millennium BC.
It also fit very well with information from the beginning of the
13th century about Dominican friars sent east just before the
Mongol invasion. They reported finding a numerous people who
spoke recognizable Hungarian somewhere beyond the Volga in
today’s Russia. But, who and wherever these may have been by
1239, when a second mission tried to reach them the Mongols
must had wiped them out because not a trace of these distant
cousins where then to find.”
TO BE CONTINUED…
following of the Saga “where can we send ‘Elle&Co’?”
Whatever their original homeland, by the 9th century AD the
Magyars lived as nomads in the steppes in today’s southern Russia.
They though do not seem to have had their traditional homeland
there. They are instead said to have come from a “Magna Hungaria”
between the Kama and Ural rivers, then moved in to Lebedia area
north of the Azov Sea and finally in their own Mesopotamia or
Etelkšz between the Dnepr and Dneister rivers.
NA! we found a home for ‘Elle&Co’…in the middle of nowhere in the
federation of Russia! Good, can someone help them pack and book
some caravans? maybe we can rent some BKV busses?
appalled for ever! “but if we go back in time, how far do we have to go?”
Before Trianon will be fine.
For you? It would be 1920. Or is it 1950?
For you? It would be 1920. Or is it 1950?
DoubleH63 at March 19, 2011 2:23 AM
Nah! 1963 should be fine. We’ll let you start all over (as a Roma in Gyongyospata).
@Is it OK if we go back to what this Land was
before 895? and according to Herodotus, where were
the magyars located?
.
.
There is no need for Herodotus here, 890s AD is
not ancient history. It is very well known where
they were located at that time: between Volga and
Don rivers (the area between the rivers where the
rivers get closest).
They were vassals of the Khazar Empire (the
Khazars were a branch of the Turkish people) and
their (of the finno-ugric Magyar tribes) duty was
to guard the eastern borders of the Khazar Empire
from the migratory/nomadic people attacks.
The Magyars abandoned that area and started
migrating westwards after a devastating attack
from the Pechenegs (another turkish tribe from
est-Asia which was on the march migrating
westwards at the time ).
Okos Lex, Köszi. No insults flying, no bad words about csunya
foreigners, that is better. So, you say the magyars were vassals of
the Khazar empire. That is interesting knowing that the Khazars did
adopt judaism as official religion under bek Bulan in 838 AD. That
would mean that the fierce Magyar were vassals of a jewish
empire…aouch, by writing that I might get lightening and thunder
from some people here. I just wanted to ask, what happened to the
csunya Pechenegs? According to the little I know they convert to
Islam in 930 AD, were beaten by the russian around 1053 AD, had
to cross the Duna and were finally beaten in 1122 AD and went to
Transylvania? Is it correct? Gosh, we’re back to Erdély!
–Is it correct?
.
I guess so, Wikipedia says that after their
decisive defeat by the Byzantines at the Battle of
Beroia in 1122, on the territory of modern day
Bulgaria :
For some time, significant communities of
Pechenegs still remained in the Kingdom of
Hungary. With time Pechenegs lost their national
identity and were fully assimilated mostly with
Magyars, Bulgarians, and Gagauz, serving the
Kingdom of Hungary and the Byzantine Empire.
In 15th-century Hungary, some people adopted the
surname Besenyö, which is Hungarian for Pecheneg.
They were most numerous in the county of Tolna.
Abu Hamid al Garnathi in the late 12th century
referred to Hungarian Pechenegs who were probably
Muslims living disguised as Christians.
Filibustering and fiction are out of control here. The topic ‘Dacia’ is pushed aside by ravings about Khazars. Wiki savants take note: The effort to establish a Kharzar-Magyar connection is a silly bit of myth-making in which only Jews engage. The Kharzars had the stuffing knocked out of them in 968 AD by Rus forces led by Ukrainian Prince Sviatoslav, and they fled frantically, scattering and permanently abandoning the territory called Khazaria. That was the last anyone ever heard of them for a few centuries. Then they turned up as Jews scattered all over Europe. The Khazars were never, even at their most vicious, a fighting force beyond the Volga-Ural steppes and the Crimea.
Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/khazars#ixzz1H3ZhaszP
I was starting to wonder about Aliens abducting ‘Elle’, they must
have brought her back. No real insult in your comment, ‘Elle’. That’s
already something. I never implied that the Magyar were related to
the Khazars. I was asking questions. and for ‘Elle’s info, I am not
jewish. Don’t jump to conclusions.
my questions were about the place of origin of the Magyar and what
did they do with the Avarok? And who cares if the actual people
who call themselves romanians these days are Dacians or Vlachs?
Does anyone here think that the actual people who live nowadays
in Hungary are pure blood Magyars???
@ex appalled,
“my questions were about the place of origin of the Magyar and what did they do with the Avarok?”
Have you ever heard of the ‘Legend of the White Stag’?
This Magyar folk tail explains the connection you’re wondering about. Hunor and Magor, sons of a man named Nimrod, were lured into a new land by a ‘fleeting white stag.
They ended up marrying the King’s daughters; so obviously, they must have been from good stock to marry into royalty, even back then.
The descendants of Hunor and his men got to be known as the Huns and the descendants from Magor and his men became known as the Magyars.
Oh, and despite the propaganda associated with Attila the Hun…he was not a barbarian…
Barbarians do not sleep on linen sheets even back in the 4th century. Attila the Hun was a fair and honorable man who did not tolerated bullshit, valued honesty and integrity above all else.
And Vandor says….:DD
@ Kovats Nicholas,
” all my life been idenitified as a child of a generation of ‘exiled’ Hungarians ”
I hope you return to politics.hu and see this post.
If you are comfortable enough to reveal the country in which you live, I would appreciate it.
I ask this of you, because of how you spell your last name. It is not very common and is my Mothers maiden name.
As for your post…I agree…especially from those more ‘modern’ thinkers in Hungary. Thankfully, there’s not allot of them.
@justasking: Maybe OT
“Montana: House Bill 278 would authorise arming citizens’ militias against invaders.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-politics/8391485/Tea-Party-extreme-legislation-across-America.html
Are you really planning to Invade ?
The same info here:
http://www.montrealgazette.com/life/Party+legislates+against+credibility/4467061/story.html
@Wolfi,
Seriously? Sometimes I wonder about you…are you for real?…or is this all just an act?
If it’s an act…shit, you’re one hell of an actor…if not…you are bat-shit stupid.
I say this from the bottom of my heart and in all sincerity.
Oh, and am I the only person who sees the irony in a Germany calling ANYBODY a Nazi?
Again, I’m still wondering:
“in Montana, House Bill 278 would authorize arming citizens’ militias against invaders, even though the state borders Canada.”
Justasking, you might know, what is this about those people in Montana – are they afraid of you Canadians ?
@justasking…”This(white stag) Magyar folk tail
explains the connection you’re wondering about.
Hunor and Magor, sons of a man named Nimrod… ”
How about the Jewish folk tale about Cain and Abel,
sons of a man called Adam ?
Oh, and am I the only person who sees the irony in a Germany calling ANYBODY a Nazi?
justasking at March 19, 2011 9:57 PM
I watched the cult movie, The Blues Brothers, in Germany a couple of decades ago. When Jake & Elwood drove the Illinois Nazis (Bob?) off the bridge and into the water, almost everyone in the theatre jumped out of their seats, cheered, clapped or yelled “fucking Nazis”. I got startled by the unexpected noise & reaction.
However, that act told me a lot about how Germans felt about the Nazis. So poignant, seeing it happen in a packed Nuernberg movie theatre.
To the Wiki savants on the origins of the Magyar:
Pre-Habsburg historians (Hevesi Gábor (1656-1717), Bél Mátyás (1684-1749) and Timón Sámuel (1675-1736) conclude very consistently that the Ôs Magyar were a breakaway Hun tribe, that they were the first settlers of the Carpathian Basin, and that the Árpádház kings were direct descendants of Atilla the Hun.
In the latter part of the 18th century, many court-appointed historians (among them Kollár Ferenc Ádám, Benczúr József, Kercselics Ádám) were set to work to gainsay the Hun-Magyar one-ness, which then became a prohibited theorem. These historians created the orthodoxy that the Magyar are a motley crowd of non-specific peoples from the Caucasus, or even further east in Central Asia. The Communist era zealously adopted this Habsburg version of history.
Many contemporary historians, including Badiny Jós Ferenc, Bobula Ida, Csőke Sándor, Endrey Antal, Gosztonyi Kálmán, Padányi Viktor, propose the very well documented likelihood that the original Hun tribe, the Magyar, were joined in the Carpathian Basin by a sizeable number of Persian peoples (the Sumerians, Scythians) around 700 AD.
There are also a number of other theorems that investigate the arrival at various times among the Magyar of other Middle Eastern peoples, the Szerecsény (Saracens).
@ Wolfi,
)
“Justasking, you might know, what is this about those people in Montana – are they afraid of you Canadians?”
First off…who in their right mind would be afraid of Canadians? Seriously..who? Nobody, that’s who.
As for the Americans passing laws to help protect themselves via packing heat, although I don’t agree with it and I don’t like it…imagine if every Tas, Feri and Jancsi carried one in rural Hungary? I bet you dollars to donuts the crime rate would drop drastically.
Would you risk stealing anything from another person; knowing they might come after you with a gun and the law was on their side to shoot your sorry ass?
@lex,
“How about the Jewish folk tale about Cain and Abel, sons of a man called Adam ? ”
I’m not a Jew and have no intentions of ever becoming one…so why would I give a shit about their folk tales?
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“However, that act told me a lot about how Germans felt about the Nazis. So poignant, seeing it happen in a packed Nuernberg movie theatre”
Hmmm, or maybe they were afraid that if they didn’t respond in the ‘appropriate’ manner , they’d get slapped with a clause from the Holocaust Denial Law?
‘Pre-Habsburg historians…’: I should have said ‘Hungarian historians before the Habsburg occupation and during its early years …’
propose the very well documented likelihood that the original Hun tribe, the Magyar, were joined in the Carpathian Basin by a sizeable number of Persian peoples (the Sumerians, Scythians) around 700 AD
Elle at March 20, 2011 12:39 AM
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“Sumerians”????
WTF???
Where are “the very well documented likelihood” that Sumerians even existed 700 AD?
“Sumerian civilization took form in the Uruk period (4th millennium BC), continuing into the Jemdat Nasr and Early Dynastic periods. It was conquered by the Semitic-speaking kings of Agade around 2400 BC. Native Sumerian rule re-emerged for about a century in the third dynasty of Ur (Sumerian Renaissance) of the 21st to 20th century (short chronology)”
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer
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‘elle junk’ is several thousand years off…
That is on the other hand not “the very well documented likelihood”, is is just the plain fact
One must laugh. Hearing ‘a sizeable number of Persian peoples (the Sumerians, Scythians)’, this Wiki savant burbles ‘Sumerian civilization took form in the Uruk period (4th millennium BC’. Sigh.
Hearing ‘a sizeable number of Persian peoples (the Sumerians, Scythians)’, this Wiki savant burbles ‘Sumerian civilization took form in the Uruk period (4th millennium BC’
Elle at March 20, 2011 11:45 AM
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‘elle junk’ seems to be totally unaware that the Sumer language is a dead language, like their speakers many, many years ago and no relation exists to Hungary or the Hungarian language or even to Persian. So linking Sumer->Persia->Hungary does not work, then
.
“Sumerian is a language isolate” (see link below)
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Now wonder that ‘law’ and ‘elle junk’ always want to link their glorious past to the Sumerians and their dead language, then
“Sumerian has been the subject of controversial proposals purportedly identifying it as related genetically with almost every known agglutinative language, but also with others. As the most ancient written language, it has a peculiar prestige, and such proposals sometimes have a nationalistic background and generally enjoy little popularity among linguists because of their unverifiability
Examples of suggested related languages include:
* Dravidian languages
* Turkic languages
* Hurro-Urartian languages
* Munda languages
* Nostratic languages
* Dené-Caucasian languages”
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerian_language
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We still wait for the proof that the Sumerians existed 700 AD, when their language was dead and buried long before that
Maybe they used sign-language?
Semaphore signalling between the horses?
But they were dead, hhmm…
Elle is Gaddafi-like in her denial of reality:
“the Sumerians disappear from the human story around
2000 BC”
according to
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~dee/MESO/SUMER.HTM
And everyone ELSE on earth!
Jeez, doesn’t she at least have the decency to be
EMBARRASSED occasionally? “Sumerians” holy freaking
cow….
“the Sumerians disappear from the human story around
2000 BC”–
.
They went into hiding for a while only to reappear
later under the name of “Magyars”. They were, and
still are, the greater race on Earth (until Trianon,
that’s it).
Something dark and evil runs through these Chosen
people. It’s there to be seen in the footprints of
history but… any reference to this, brings down a
hailstorm of slander claiming slander and they are
defended by fundamentalist Christianity, which they
are Hell bent on the destruction of. They’ve written
themselves into the Bible as indispensable
progenitors of both the Christian and Muslim faiths,
which are two of their biggest chosen enemies.
Modern archaeological discoveries have shown that
the history they claim actually belonged to others.
It may all be a mystery but what is not mysterious
are the results of their activity here.
“Something dark and evil runs through these Chosen
people..”
the simple truth is that they have usurped the
rightful place of Magyars, the truly chosen people,
the summerians, scytians, huns..a long blood line
which starts at the dawn of mankind and ends with
Gabor Vona
@lex “They went into hiding for a while only to reappear later”
Just like all the Romans in Erdély did after Dacia disappeared. A few years later they came out of hiding to establish ‘The Great Oláh Empire’.
@DoubleH63 ..”just like all the Romans in Erdély
did”
At least they were speaking the same language and
came out in the same place.
-‘The Great Oláh Empire’
Olah is an exonim, like Valah, Wallon, Welsh,
Wales. It is the name given to the Latin speakers
by the Germanic tribes which later became used by
all the rest. For instance Hungarian use “Olasz”
for the Italians, while the Polish use “Wlosky”
for the Italians.
Romanians don’t call themselves “Olah” or
“Wallach” (as the Germans used to called them),
they call themselves “Roman”
@lex “At least they were speaking the same language”
And of course you tell this fairy tale to your children too.
The Pope can not be wrong :
NEW CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA
New York, St. Louis, San Francisco, Toronto,
London, Sydney; The Catholic University of
Washington, 1967, ,,RUMANIA,,
Rumania. A country in eastern Europe, whose
territory comprises the ancient Roman province of
Dacia. During the Middle Ages the area was for the
most part under Bulgarian rule. Hungarians
occupied Transylvania (c. 1003). In the 14th
century Wallachia and Moldavia arose as
independent principalities, but from the 16th to
the 19th centuries they were vassals to the Turks,
while preserving much of their autonomy.
The Rumanians are a Latin people, as their
language indicates. Christianity first came to
Rumania in its Latin form.
http://www.hungarianhistory.com/lib/faf/toc12.htm
@lex
I bet you also believe that the land once was known, as Pannonia is just loaded with descendents of Romans [after all those people there had a bit more time to become Roman than in Dacia]
I bet you also believe that the Roman Empire was called Romania in Latin like Erik said.
@lex “Christianity first came to Rumania in its Latin form.”
So did to everyone else.
“Christianity first came to Rumania in its Latin form.”
So did to everyone else.
DoubleH63 at March 22, 2011 1:29 AM
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You missed the Greek-based Eastern Christianity:
“For most of its history the church in Europe has been divided between the Latin-speaking west, whose centre was Rome, and the Greek-speaking east, whose centre was Constantinople. Cultural differences and political rivalry created tensions between the two churches, leading to disagreement over doctrine and ecclesiology and ultimately to schism”
“In Western Christianity’s original area Latin was the principal language. Christian writers in Latin had more influence there than those who wrote in Greek, Syriac, or other Eastern languages. Though the first Christians in the West used Greek (such as Clement of Rome), by the fourth century Latin had superseded it even in the cosmopolitan city of Rome, while there is evidence of a Latin translation of the Bible in the 2nd century (see also Vetus Latina) in southern Gaul and the Roman province of Africa”
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Christianity
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Except the obvious thing that the first Christians, including Jesus, did not speak Latin as first language, the Greek-speaking part of the Christian world was rather dominant in the beginning
You may also google “Koine Greek”, the original language of the New Testament
The Romans, as those speaking Latin, just translated everything
Viking using the Wikipedia which is set up by the false chosen ones.
Viking using the Wikipedia which is set up by the false chosen ones.
The Nephilim at March 22, 2011 9:26 AM
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In what language was the original New Testament written in?
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http://www.dtl.org/bible/article/language/part_one.htm
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Maybe it was Greek, maybe it was in Aramaic, *but* it was never in Latin, proving my point that Latin language in Christianity came late and for some parts never
What “the false chosen ones” would win in claiming that the New Testament was originally written in Greek, instead of Aramaic, is a good question
Maybe “the false chosen ones” are actually a bunch of Greeks?
@DoubleH “I bet you also believe that the land
once was known, as Pannonia is just loaded with
descendents of Romans”
Today is loaded with “Hungarians”, that is
culturally magyarized Slavs, Romans, Germans and
Gypsies. Few, if any, still look today as the
Magyars with slanted eyes which invaded Pannonia
in the 10th century (coming from Central-Asia).
But back in the 10th-11th century (when the
Magyars came) the Romans (Vlahi, Blachi-pastore
Romanorum) were mentioned in Panonia in ALL the
Hungarians chronicles the early period : Gesta
Hungarorum, Chronicon Budense, Chronicon Pictum
Vindobonense, Chronicon Posoniense, as well in
German sources (Nibelung) or Russian (Nestor-
Kiev).
“Quam terram (Pannoniam) habitabant Sclavi,
Bulgarii et Blachii ac pastores Romanorum”
„Blazi qui et olim fuerunt Romanorum
pastores, ac in Ungaria ubi erant pascua
Romanorum… morabantur”
„Blackis qui ipsorum fuere pastores et coloni,
remanentibus sponte in Pannonia”
‘the Magyars with slanted eyes which invaded Pannonia in the 10th century (coming from Central-Asia).’
lex at March 22, 2011 10:31 AM
This jewboy, the ‘lex’ git, thinks himself very convincing. (He quoted Latin. That’s clever and convincing, innut?) This is his ‘clever’ tactic: He copied some Latin texts from this page: http://www.restromania.com/Sociologie/OriginsOfRomanians.htm.
But, oh dear, that page itself attributes those Latin texts to quotations in a work by M Ghyka, A Documented Chronology of Roumanian History! Too bad, jewboy, for Ghyka has put his work online: Here is an interesting quotation from it:
‘… land between the lower Danube and the Southern Carpathians, into which migrating Vlach herdsmen were previously allowed to settle. However, the Vlachs, being nomadic people, kept on roaming with their herds back and forth across the mountains. The CUMANS, another Scythian tribe, also related to the Hungarians, after not being able to invade the Carpathian Basin, established their country East of the Carpathians and ruled over Moldova and Vlachia until the invasion of the TARTARS (1250).
http://www.hungarianhistory.com/lib/dfacts/dfacts02.htm
Your ‘slanted eyes’, thesis, hooknose, runs into quite a bit of trouble too: Toggle back on the Ghyka page to find this:
‘By compiling all available data, Greek historians gave the first account of the migration of the Magyars (Hungarians) into the Carpathian Basin. According to this account, the Hungarians followed the trail of their brother-nations, the Huns and the Avars, moving first from the Volga-region into Etelkoz, then expanding slowly in a Westerly and south-westerly direction as far as today’s Moldova, and finally crossing the Carpathians through three different routes, while a forth unit, in alliance with the Byzantine forces, attacked the Bulgarians at the lower Danube, took possession of the fertile lands between the Danube river and the Southern Carpathians or Transylvanian Alps, and joined the rest of the nation at the Iron Gate: a gorge cut by the Danube through thc mountains, south of the Great Hungarian Plain.’
Obviously, you know no Latin at all. If you did, you would not have mistaken this text you quote, a 1250 chronicler’s remark: ‘Quam terram (Pannoniam) habitabant Sclavi, Bulgarii et Blachii ac pastores Romanorum’, for support of your insolent remark that I quote at the head of this post. (Now do some more of your characteristic snot-nosed snivelling.)
Still no proof about the whereabouts of the Sumerians, lately?
@Elle, who wrote to who is assuredly completely
Gentile “Lex”:
This jewboy, the ‘lex’ git,
Too bad, jewboy
Your ‘slanted eyes’, thesis, hooknose,
Seriously, do you see how freaking UGLY you are?
I’ll put $100 on the fact this guy is 100%
Catholic, and because you disagree with him, you
call him a JEW. And you have no idea how stupid
this makes you look.
You can’t even get a simple fact like a (probable)
Catholic in 2011 is not Jewish, so none of us here
holds out any hope that despite your desperate
DESPERATE googling, that you wouldn’t know
something as obvious to anyone with an education
that the Sumerians disappeared MILLENNIA ago, and
yet you placed them, where at circa 500 AD?
If I saw you walking by my table in a restaurant,
I don’t care that you are a woman,(besides you are
probably Ricsi hiding behind false moniker
anyway)… I would stick my foot out and trip your
ass to the pavement.
The Scythians are what appear related to Hungarians, Avars and Huns. And there are plenty of diggings to reinforce these discoveries, just that the mainstream Jewish Scholars are refusing to accept this and spread false history.
The Nephilim, you are spot on!
‘Still no proof about the whereabouts of the Sumerians, lately?’
Viking at March 22, 2011 1:50 PM
Why, they are still with us, of course. Have a little read:
‘Today, students of Far-Eastern history believe that the Magyars were strongly exposed to Sumerian culture as well since proto-Sumerians too, had inhabited the Turanian Plain until about 3000 B.C. This people then migrated to Mesopotamia, where they built a brilliant civilization, whose most important achievement was the invention of writing.
By 1950 B.C. the Sumerian empire was gone, but their cunei form writings endured on the tablets they had used. Famous linguists of the 19th century, including Henry C. Rawlinson, Jules Oppert, Eduard Sayous and François Lenormant soon found that knowledge of the Ural-Altaic languages – particularlyMagyar – can greatly facilitate the deciphering of Sumerian writings. Cunei form writing was used by the Hungarians long before their arrival in the Carpathian Basin, and afterwards as well.’
http://www.hungarianhistory.com/lib/hunspir/hsp05.htm
Cunei form writing was used by the Hungarians long
before their arrival in the Carpathian Basin, and
afterwards as well.
Elle at March 22, 2011 3:57 PM
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/_/||/’\_|_|/”, //|_\\, Elle,”_/_/, |||\bullshit
The Scythians are what appear related to Hungarians, Avars and Huns. And there are plenty of diggings to reinforce these discoveries, just that the mainstream Jewish Scholars are refusing to accept this and spread false history.
The Nephilim at March 22, 2011 3:42 PM
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That the descendants of Scythians were in the Carpathian Basin before the ‘invading Hungarians, Avars and Huns’ invaded is probably not so strange to believe
Half of Europe believe they are related to the Scythians:
“A number of groups have claimed possible descent from the Scythians, including the Ossetians, Jats, Pashtuns, the Turkic Kazakhs and Yakuts (whose endoethnonym is “Sakha”), and Parthians (whose homelands laid to the east of the Caspian Sea and thought to have come there from north of the Caspian). Some legends of the Picts; the Gaels; the Hungarians; Serbs and Croats (among others) also include mention of Scythian origins. In the second paragraph of the 1320 Declaration of Arbroath the élite of Scotland claim Scythia as a former homeland of the Scots. Some writers claim that Scythians figured in the formation of the empire of the Medes and likewise of Caucasian Albania”
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians#Descent_claims
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“Whatever the claims of various modern ethnic groups, the peoples once known as the Scythians of Antiquity were amalgamated into the various Slavic groups of eastern and southeastern Europe”
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For me this claim take away the legacy of the Magyars, but that must be the aim
From Hyacinth’s link
It is very possible that the proto-Magyars
The advocates of this theory believe
the advocates of this theory insist
Today, students of Far-Eastern history believe that the Magyars
inspired Hungarian orientalists to seek a deeper Sumerian-Hungarian connection. To the present day, however, no indisputable and decisive proof has yet emerged.
a by-product of orientalist speculations- a “Finno-Ugrian concept in reverse. ” – is worthy of note.
It is possible that Finns and Ugors
The Magyars, Uygurs and the Turks may also have started
Gave up after reading too many “mays”, “possibles”, “believe”,…. etc etc in this conclusive link.
“Why, they are still with us, of course”. Yes, they’re all hiding up your arse!
Wikipedia is another Jewish false source of information.. Why do you idiots keep spreading and sourcing false propaganda? Trolls the lot of you.
Law… you just crossed over from confused illness
into an exciting new brand of humor!
Do you hear how *hilarious* you sound?! I mean,
it’s starting to get actually *funny*!
Totally agree with CG’s critique as well…
I’ve never seen BS stacked on top of other already
disproven BS in such a fragile fashion with a
million proviso’s and “researchers in the 13th
century USED to believe that…”s (followed by
immediate contradictions that get ignored in
Elle’s flurry of ungrounded and repeatedly refuted
speculations).
It’s really sad. We should put this to a vote!
How many people here think that:
A. Elle is putting together coherent arguments,
and
B. How many are simply *laughing* at the absurdity
of Elle(/Ricsi?) thinking that a long string of
googled text = something profound, simply
because it is a long-string-of-text that is too
long to waste the time bothering to *disprove*?
Why, they are still with us, of course
Elle at March 22, 2011 3:57 PM
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So are Hungarians in reality Magyars or Schytians, or even Sumerians?
You mix these 3 different people without problems, they even rode together in your world, so it becomes really confusing
As confusing as this guy:
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http://www.imninalu.net/myths-Huns.htm
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“The Ancient Identity of Hungarians
The Hungarian-Hebrew Connexion”
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That Magyars were related to Sumerians, Scythians does not place Magyars in the Carpatian Basin first. It just place you in Central Asia and that you invaded Europe, but nothing new in that
.
If you care to share the honours of being related with the Scythians with the Scots and being related with the Sumerians with the Polish, instead of being related with the Finns, well?
We all know how the Finns look like
Like Scytians…
Why do you feel compelled to burble on about things that are way above your head, Viking? Here is a golden rule for you, one that you should always observe: Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses.
“I’ve never seen BS stacked on top of other already disproven BS”
Read more of Viking’s and your own BS.
Elle,
Then why is it that YOU are the only one here that
NO one (besides “Nephilim” who is either Law or
another sock-puppet of yours)
believes/agrees/with?
We are all laughing at you, you have no
supporters/backup… and you, hilariously continue
your feverish nonsensical delerium-tremens!
Thanks for doing what you do… seriously, I might
not even be entertained enough to STAY here on
Politics.hu if I weren’t perpetually *amazed* that
pseudo-intellectuals like you actually flail about
with half-baked racial-superiority ideas like you
do… in PUBLIC! Ha! And … thanks!
@ Jew Boy formerly Bystander
What’s with you? Get with the programme
Everyone one who does not agree with the Insane Nazi woman is Jewish – life is simple rules are straight forward
I thought she was incapable of shocking me but I was wrong. This is a woman who wanted to take down a Monument in Karcag honouring the town’s fallen soldiers who were named because there was a generic mention of the Jewish victims at the back of the monument.
She then send me (hairy overweight porn-writer) messages about some Jewish holiday I had to google
out of curiosity; can’t remember the holiday’s name anymore, but here is the kicker. It does not fall on the same days every March which means the lunatic actually keeps track of when Jewish holidays come up. Double is different – no insanity there, just plain old racism. Personally, I wish every racist was like Nazi woman, Law and Lopott – then I can put it down to mental illness ; unfortunately I can’t dismiss Ricsi or Double that easily, so I simply “don’t get it”
“We are all laughing at you”
Then again, you don’t count. The zionazi propaganda force is all over the net, they infiltrate all discussion boards, but they are only good at making enemies. One more post from you and I’m going to convert to anti-semite.
@Bystander
Yes laugh all you want, only cretins like yourself
think you’re making any sense. This is part of your
tactics, by firstly ridiculing, smearing and later
if it don’t work take out the truth seeker either
physically or jail. Low life scum… it’s a genetic
trait you have had with the pharisees.
@Viking instead of writing all this bullshit just
pay a visit to the national museum and you can see
first hand the amount of factual discoveries
unearthed in the Karpathian basin which are related
to the Scythians and Samartians.
Did that guy just say Hungarians were descended from
“martians”??
I guess Nephilim IS Law cause just like the Devil,
all you have to do is say his name and he appears
(ie he was there all along, reading).
Thanks, “Law” for falling for the oldest trick in
the book… popping your head up when someone calls
out one of your alias-names… what a dumb
“warrior” you are! (smirk)
To olga – I think RICSI = ELLE.
So we\’re talking about only ONE (schizo) person possibly.
If you dont believe me read this from
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:FHHBfgOYRZkJ:www.vivamalta.org/forum/showthread.php%3Fp%3D170389+menedetter+hungary+%22ricsi%40%22&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com
Scroll down to Ricsi\’s second posting (from only about 2 months ago!!), starting with
This is a real piece of humour,the best you will EVER see here-
as he pastes in text from Politics.hu describing his use of the Elle character:
\”The dude gets off on using sock puppets to make it seem that there are more jobbos and nazis agreeing with each other on the forum than can actually be found. There is no doubt that Ricsi is the same person posting under the name \”Elle\” – but because his Jobbik handlers need to rein him in at times he creates sock puppets using the cartoon voices of his British imagination to spread his bile
The Watchers at January 22, 2011 1:07 PM\”
Note that in the reply from his (handler?) SEPP44, there is NO attempt to DENY that he has created this ELLE character as what they call a sock-puppet:
\”You must wallow in the limelight your \’watchers\’ accord you Rich.You must irritate them something awful…\”
So, Olga, food for thought. Maybe it was a MAN calling you fat-hairy-etc. so it should be less uncomfortable for you! And you thought Ricsi was … -nice-….
Historically, whenever a nation (usually a large
nation with a willing coalition) threatens everyone
and everything and is driven by the sole purpose of
material gain, some collection of the remaining
world forces joins together to shut them down. The
case of Israel is unique. The very cultures and
nations that Israel is most actively engaged in
destroying- outside of her neighbors and the
previous and legitimate owners of the land they
occupy- are the very nations and cultures that most
actively support her.
YAWN.
Someone please correct me if I’m wrong. Wasn’t it
Israel that sent 50,000 African mercenaries into
Libya?
So… aren’t the NATO coalition now bombing,
strafing and tomahawking Israel’s mercenaries?
Meanwhile, isn’t the reason that the assaults didn’t
stop (possibly Gadhafi doesn’t have control) is
because Israel is in control of them? There’s a
whole lot of irony here. Someday, lambs will suck in
vengeance at the teats of irony.
GO AWAY TROLL.
Um, the man whose name you are looking for is
“Ghaddafi”, the one celebrated by all your heroes:
Hugo Chavez, Morales, Ortega, Scottish justice
ministers, etc.
Wow, you guys are REALLY “going deep” in the
conspiracy theories if you’re trying to pin this
on Israel!
Oh, and speaking of going Deep into conspiracy
theories, why don’t you tell us more about HAARP?
Let me guess, it’s the US government’s mind-
control-tinfoil-hat-penetrating-ionic-personnel-
manipulator-based-in-Alaska, right? Please tell
us MORE about this exciting conspiracy involving
the ionosphere and the Van Allen radiation belts!
@olga “Mirror Mirror on the wall, who is the purest Magyar of them all?”
Are you? Or just maybe ‘van benned egy-két hegedű vonás’?
If you don’t understand that phrase, it’s ok. I am just an old ‘mű-magyar’ racist living abroad and ‘nem beszélni jól magyar’:)
Abroad?! Ha!
@Double,
D
” ‘nem beszélni jól magyar’
No! It’s ‘nem beszélni jól majar’
the amount of factual discoveries
unearthed in the Karpathian basin which are related
to the Scythians and Samartians
Law at March 22, 2011 6:02 PM
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I never denied that the “Scythians and Samartians” has lived in the Carpathian Basin
‘elle junk’ on the other hand claimed that
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“propose the very well documented likelihood that the original Hun tribe, the Magyar, were joined in the Carpathian Basin by a sizeable number of Persian peoples (the Sumerians, Scythians) around 700 AD
Elle at March 20, 2011 12:39 AM”
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So here we have it, ‘elle junk’ missed the “Sumerians” instead of the correct “Sarmatians”, but she is too stupid to either admit it, or understand it
(‘law’ missed ‘Samartians’ for the correct ‘Sarmatians’, but he is, like me dyslexical, so he is excused)
The Poles thinks they are the real ancestors to the Sarmatians…
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarmatism
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So now when I corrected both ‘elle junk’ and ‘law’, should I stop bull-shitting?
Haarp,
‘Someone please correct me if I’m wrong. Wasn’t it Israel that sent 50,000 African mercenaries into Libya?
HAARP at March 22, 2011 8:32 PM
You are not wrong. These mercenaries are the ones who went into Benghazi on the killing spree we heard about at the outset. Here is a very telling video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbvz2mTUDWA
There is further irony still: Gaddafi is probably Jewish. But I suppose that is more bathos than irony. Here is one of many pertinent links:
http://www.examiner.com/jewish-issues-in-national/could-muammar-gadhafi-be-jewish
‘Meanwhile, isn’t the reason that the assaults didn’t stop (possibly Gaddafi doesn’t have control) is because Israel is in control of them?’
This is a terrifying thought. But by golly it fits!
You are not wrong. These mercenaries are the ones who went into Benghazi on the killing spree we heard about at the outset
Elle at March 23, 2011 12:40 AM
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I will not lower myself into this “debate”, just a question:
* Then the US-led attack against Libya must be Good?
@ Nobody
you misunderstood me. I never wrote Ricsi was nice, I wrote he was not deranged like Law and Elle. I would not consider Double “nice” but he is intelligent. I am quite comfortable to be called overweight, hairy and writing porn by insane Nazi woman just like I was comfortable being called a Jewish whore by some other charming poster
Not hard to figure out why
@ Double
How cute of you to play games. No I don’t know what the last expression means but if it has the word violin in it, must be a gypsy.
If you are implying I have a Roma background, I suspect you are correct because I did ask my about being a Magyar and you will never guess what it said.
” All Hungarian women are beautiful and have a pure mind. You are obese, hairy and “compose” porn, thus you are excluded from being a Magyar, your birth cert, bapt.cert and passport notwithstanding” -
Of course with your approval, I could also be from
any of the neighbouring countries provided the area was never part of Hungary within the last 1000 or so years
RE Sumerians in the 7th century AD:
I am basing my information about the Sumerian-Hungarian relationship on the work of Tóth Alfréd (2007), Sumerian, Hungarian and Mongolian (Including Avaric). Here is the first sentence of the author’s own synopsis of this work:
‘We know from von Torma (1894), Bobula (1951), Vlassa (1963), Badiny (2001) and Tóth (2007a) that the Sumerians originated in Transylvania before they migrated to Mesopotamia, from where they spread out and a part of them went back in the Carpathian basin.’
http://pdfcast.org/pdf/hungarian-sumerian-and-mongolian
Tóth pays close attention to the available evidence for the ‘coming back’. He relates several ‘return’ episodes, the last wave of them being in the 7th century AD. He is very interested in this, because the artefacts in one Hungarian 7th century burial site (a 1963 archaeologists’ find) carry runic script that is specifically the script also found in some contemporary Persian burial sites. So ‘Sumerians in the 7th century AD’ ceases to be problematic as soon as one conceives of ‘Sumerian’ not as a period but as the genetic and/or cultural relatedness of a people.
RE Hungarians are not Asians:
Here is an extract of a genetic-research report published in the 21 September 2001 issue of Élet és Tudomány. The writer is Béres Judit, a Hungarian member of the joint German-Hungarian Academy of Science genetic research team working in 1984-1989:
‘We evaluated the deletion of the so called inter-genetic 9-bp, of which the presence or absence is a determining factor in the establishing of racial relationships. The 9-bp Asiatic origin marker was completely absent from the genetic composition of the Hungarian population we tested. We found the Asiatic M haplo-group in the Finns, the Ezras and the Lapps, but not in a single Hungarian.’
I am basing my information about the Sumerian-Hungarian relationship on the work of Tóth Alfréd (2007)
Elle at March 23, 2011 3:38 AM
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So who is this Tóth?
“ALFRÉD TÓTH was born in 1965 in St. Gallen (Switzerland), his native tongue is Hungarian. Received two PhD’s (1989 Mathematics, University of Zurich; 1992 Philosophy, University of Stuttgart) and an MA (General and Comparative Linguistics, Finno-Ugristics and Romanistics, University of Zurich 1991). Mr. Tóth is since 2001 Professor of Mathematics (Algebraic Topology) in Tucson, Arizona. He is member of many mathematical, semiotic, cybernetic and linguistic societies and scientific board member of eight international journals. Lives in Tucson and Szombathely where his family comes from”
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http://www.federatio.org/mi_bibl/AlfredToth_Addenda_EDH.pdf
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I will let people who knows better the academic world check his credentials, but his only academic title is Professor of Mathematics (Algebraic Topology) in Tucson, Arizona, since 2001
A Math Professor being the world’s authority on “The Sumer-Hungarian Connection”, well, why am I not surprised?
Neither of these two documents presented in my and ‘elle junk’s’ posts have been published in any scientific forum, criticised by academic peers, who are acknowledged authorities in the history of the Sumerians
By choosing around 1000 words and counting similarities, one does not create an argument that sticks that people were ‘related’
Also, no reference to any Alfréd Tóth on the web-page, where he is claimed to be a Professor:
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http://math.arizona.edu/
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Why am I not surprised?
If you check the picture on this web-page:
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http://www.cinema-crazed.com/h-q/multiplerealityfilm.htm
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and compare it to the one in my post at March 23, 2011 8:31 AM, you will see they look rather different
Here Tóth is also claimed:
“Prof. Dr. Alfred Toth, of Hungarian origin, is professor for mathematics and semiotics and director of the Semiotic Technical Laboratory in Tucson, AZ. Besides his ca. 2´500 scientific publications there are ca. 200 contributions to the theory of film strictly from a semiotic standpoint (not intended to interfere with the opinions of professional film critics and/or professional film makers)”
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Strange that the pictures look so different and there is no reference to him on the Uni’s web-site, especially as he has published “ca. 2´500 scientific publications”, of which only the ones at Mikes Hungarian pages in Holland seems to be available
And he is 46 years at the moment – a Great Scientific Achievement
.
Actually I found one reference to him:
“”Ethnohistorical Archaeology and the De Soto Entrada into the Lower Mississippi Valley”
With J.P. Brain and A. Toth. Conference on Historic Sites Archaeology Papers 7, pg. 4
(1974): 231-289. Winner of the John M. Goggin Award for Method and Theory in
Historical Archaeology,” 1974″
If “A. Toth” is ‘elle junk’s’ Alfréd Tóth, he was 9 years when this paper was published – A Truly Great Achievement!
What was Einstein against this whiz kid?
Viking up to his BS as always.. Anti-Hungarian Swede!!
Viking up to his BS as always.. Anti-Hungarian Swede!!
The Nephilim at March 23, 2011 9:45 AM
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Well, ‘law’, prove me wrong
And please explain why the Hungarian people should be better off by a fake-professor making unsubstantiated claims?
Why cannot these claims be proven by well-known and appreciated academics, who use well established methods?
Is not the myth of Professor Alfréd Tóth the real ‘Anti-Hungarian’?
Or are lies suppose to better the future of The Magyars?
Regarding ‘elle junk’s’ post:
Elle at March 23, 2011 12:40 AM
I cannot stop wonder *which* Jews she support?
* The Washington-based Jews attacking Libya?
* The Jew Gadaffi trying to defend Libya?
* The Israeli-based Jews, who “sent 50,000 African mercenaries into Libya”, trying to make the Jew Gadaffi look bad, making the Washington-based Jews attack him?
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You cannot claim ‘elle junk’ and her suck-puppet friends are seeing Jews everywhere…
You’re Jewish false scholars are institutionalised and paid to smear any unbiased truth seeking scholars. I’m not wasting my time debating with people like yourself who are part of the same sick propaganda.
In Law’s world, the only true scholars are Hungarian snake-oil salesmen who found Hungarian suckers.
“If Israel were by the side of the road somewhere, every dog in town would roll in it’.
“You’re Jewish false scholars are institutionalised and paid to smear any unbiased truth seeking scholars …
The Nephilim at March 23, 2011 12:03 PM”
Regarding the grammar and logic of Nephilim aka Law – maybe he should look up the meaning of “institutionalize” and go to one of these “institutions” asap …
HAARP,
Here is an interesting account of the ‘African Mercenaries in Libya’ horror:
‘Netanyahu’s cabinet asked Israeli company Global CST to bail out Colonel Khadafi’s friendly regime.
Egyptian sources have revealed that the Israeli company has so far provided Gaddafi’s regime with 50,000 African mercenaries to attack the civilian anti-government protesters in Libya. Gaddafi regime pays $2000 per day for each mercenary. The mercenaries receive $100 per day and the remaining goes to Global CST, the report says.’
http://www.voltairenet.org/article168736.html
‘Global CST does not contest having perpetrated crimes in Latin America and South Ossetia, but it denies having any current relations with Colonel Gaddafi.’ Our information was derived from two different sources : on the one hand, a journalist working for the Israeli daily Yediot Aharonot and, on the other hand, the Hebrew-language news site Inyan Merkazi. It has been widely disseminated and expanded on by television media, such as Al Jazeera or the Iranian English language global news network Press TV.
Such information bears out that Israel exploits its privileged ties with Colonel Gaddafi to fuel civil war and pave the way for NATO interference in North Africa.’
http://www.voltairenet.org/article168770.html
@Elle,
Ghaddafi “may be Jewish!”
O…M….F….G…. your life must SUCK worrying
about Jews every second…. LOOKOUT, THERE’S ONE!!!
Hahaha just kidding, you can relax, Elle!
Oh, and thanks Viking for very quickly making a fool
of Elle’s latest “Wilder Penfield”-like project!
That was fast! Too bad Elle’s standard for finding
the Truth is “hey look I see the word Jew!
[copy/paste]“
“By the time Colonel Muammar al-Gaddafi came to
power in 1969 only about 100 Jews remained in
Libya; under his rule, all Jewish property was
confiscated, all debts to Jews were canceled and
emigration for Jews was legally prohibited. Still
some Jews succeeded in leaving the country and by
1974, only 20 Jews lived in Libya.[4] In 2002,
the last known Jew in Libya, Esmeralda Meghnagi,
died and it was thought that the long history
of Jewry in Libya had ended. In the same year,
however, it was discovered that Rina Debach, a
then 80-year old woman, who was born and raised in
Tripoli, but thought to be dead by her family in
Rome, was still living in a nursing home in the
country. With her ensuing departure for Rome,
there were no more Jews in the country.[5][6]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_i
n_Libya
Just because there is a rumor that some aunt of
his mother or something was partially Jewish, that
doesn’t make him Jewish! He wouldn’t know a
single thing about being Jewish… Elle, YOU
probably have about as much Jewish blood as
Gaddafi, so please go do something about it, go
treat yourself as you would treat the Jews.
@Hyacinth – And the 50000 African mercenaries are all hiding up your arse, along with the Sumerians, Alfred Toth & Wilder Penfield.
If Elle & co reflect the general level of knowledge (or gullibility) in Hungary, we can write off this country for an entire generation. ‘Junk’ is the right moniker for her.
I’m glad I’m dealing with the next generation.
Israel exploits its privileged ties with Colonel Gaddafi to fuel civil war and pave the way for NATO interference in North Africa
Elle at March 23, 2011 2:58 PM
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So, to get this right:
* The Jews in Israel “exploits its privileged ties with Colonel Gaddafi” (another Jew according to ‘elle junk’ above), “to fuel civil war” against the same Jew “Colonel Gaddafi” “and pave the way for NATO interference in North Africa”?
The same NATO that is controlled by the Jews in Washington DC, London, Paris and Berlin?
.
WoW, those Jews do have a lot on their plate
Good that we Gentiles can just lay back and watch the spectacle, then we seem not to be involved
Good that our Dear Leader has recognised that also:
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http://www.politics.hu/20110323/orban-says-no-current-plan-to-join-libya-military-action
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You always know you’ve touched a raw nerve when they rush at you, howling obscenities incontinently. That is their Talmudic thing.
What upsets them so much … that Gaddafi might be Jewish? But this is all over the internet. Enter ‘Gaddafi mother Jewish’ into your browser and see. And the source of this tit-bit is Israel. Of course, there might be nothing to it. But they are talking about it in Israel … quite a lot, it seems.
Or is the upsetting thing the information that the Israeli mercenary company and arms supplier Global CST provided 50,000 African mercenaries to make sure that atrocities are committed against the Libyan rebels? This is all over the internet too. Just google ‘Global CST Libya’. Besides, nobody is denying that African mercenaries were all over Benghazi. The rebels reported it, and even caught some of them. They are said to be mostly French-speaking Chadians. So whose mercenaries are they? (Since they successfully sabotaged the cease-fire Gaddafi committed to, it does seem that they are not his own.) Thanks, HAARP, for bringing this issue up.
What a pity, though, that there are so few Hungarians on this site (four, perhaps?). It would have been nice to have had a discussion about the emergence of the Hungarian nation (this thread did raise ‘ethnic Hungarians’) without the Talmudic tribe spitting bile into it. But such is their way.
Elle, you are a ridiculous person and don’t
deserve a reply, but I’ll give you one…
Just “googling” something and seeing (stupid)
results means absolutely NOTHING… or DOES It?
I just googled “Elle + Nazi” and got over FOUR
MILLION results! They sound “truthful” too!
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&
site=&source=hp&q=elle+nazi&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx
=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=2be109a906644546
Also, Gaddafi hired the mercenaries, not Israel,
nice try at making all the world’s problems due to
Jews… didn’t you learn the last time your “ilk”
(Ie Hitler) tried that kind of scapegoating?
People are smarter now (except you).
Has it ever occurred to you that people rush to
attack you because you are a hateful, lying, nasty
misinformed person with a lot of “baggage” and
they are afraid your contagion may spread to other
people like yourself with substandard
intelligence?
What upsets them so much
Elle at March 23, 2011 9:01 PM
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I am not upset, I am just curious which group of Jews you support?
That seems to be a question that upset you…
@Elle
Your statements can be perfectly truthful and still
qualify as anti-Semitic! Therefore, anti-Semitism
does not necessarily entail racial hatred, threats
of racial expulsion or racial extermination, or even
lies.
Just with straight facts as you mention you will be
targeted. Exposing them is so gratifying.
Law, stick with the hysterical-Biblical cut n
paste… you actually sound less like a doorknob
when you cut yourself out of the equation
altogether.
“HAARP… that’s so fiery!” (wink)
@ Bystander
Regarding Nazi Woman being “a hateful, lying, nasty misinformed person with a lot of “baggage”
Well yes, but then again no one is perfect.
I bet you will deny that Kim Jong Il is also Jewish and so were Milosevic, Idi Amin, Pol Pot and Saddam Hussein. “You people” think that you can fool the Nazi woman, but she is always one step ahead of you.
Now please explain to me how you can possibly get pissed off with this deranged woman because personally, I only wish every racist was like her; a bad joke
In all seriousness, I speak up because when no one
does, there is a risk that someone will just be
stupid enough to *believe* their poor research
based on a googled link.
I know it’s silly and fruitless and pretty much
like jousting windmills, but what’s the meaning of
life, other than reproducing and trying to “do the
right thing” occasionally?
Yeah, it’s like Sisyphus… it gets really sad
when “semi-normal” people like Justasking chime
in, all proud of herself. I could “let it go” but
despite the absurdity, uncontested, there will be
people who believe the lies and start spreading
them. History is a sad testament.
Yeah, it’s pretty thankless, but it beats playing
Super Mario Cart or some silliness.
@wolfi “maybe he should look up the meaning of “institutionalize” and go to one of these “institutions” asap …”
What happened? The little colored pills you have been pushing are not working? You damn, snake-oil salesman!
@ Bystander
Please don’t misunderstand me – I believe in standing up to the racist bullies on this website but “Elle” is a f… ing nutcase along with Law and Lopott so IMHO, trying to reason with them reminds me of the famous lines from “Men in Black”
Jay: You do know Elvis is dead, right?
Kay: No, Elvis is not dead. He just went home
@Bystander “someone will just be stupid enough to *believe* their poor research”
“These Holocaust deniers are very slick people. They justify everything they say with facts and figures.”
(
Steven Some, Chairman of the New Jersey Commission on Holocaust Education)
@olga “I believe in standing up to the racist bullies on this website”
The only racist bully I see around here lately is Bystander/Someone/Nobody/etc.
He is the only one threatening people with physical/gun violence/jail.
@ Double
Re: “The only racist bully I see around here lately is Bystander/Someone/Nobody/etc. He is the only one threatening people with physical/gun violence/jail.”
Ok, sweetie, don’t worry I’ll go up and tell them to stop being so mean to you when you just wanted to play and be friends and will give them one of my anti-bullying pamphlets that I carry in my purse.
In the meantime, don’t be afraid of their threats,but if it will make you feel better, I’ll stick around to make sure they won’t hurt you.
http://www.pacerkidsagainstbullying.org/
@ Leto
I am probably on the wrong thread but I noticed Kossuth has now become a Jewish Communist, so that explains why the US honoured him with a stamp; the USA was always a hotbed for the Bolshevik crowd and a haeven Communist sympathizers ( Did you know that Joseph McCarthy was a Marxist Jew?)
I think you this is the first time since you started posting that you have been exposed to the “unusual crowd” en masse because I don’t think they ever crawled out of the woodwork all at once; they must have sensed the Nazi Woman’s loneliness or they got their computer privileges back.
BTW, speculating about historical figures’ reactions to events occurring after their deaths can be fun – what do you think Kossuth would have done in ’56 if he had been about 20-25 years of age?
http://www.magyarnews.org/news.php?viewStory=568
@olga “don’t be afraid of their threats”
But I am mommy, that huge, flaming yellow J is so scary!
@olga “I noticed Kossuth has now become a Jewish Communist”
“Did you know that Joseph McCarthy was a Marxist Jew?”
“sensed the Nazi Woman’s loneliness or they got their computer privileges back”
Can you get any stupider?
“what do you think Kossuth would have done in ’56 if he had been about 20-25 years of age?”
Maybe he would have helped to hang some of the Jewish Communist ÁVH man.
BTW, you are on the wrong thread.
@olga:
The “unusual crowd” has a certain point about Kossuth: the Communists did “push” Kossuth in their propaganda to some extent, especially in contrast with Széchenyi, despite Kossuth’s being a nobleman. However no doubt their real mascot was “son of people ” Petőfi.
@ Leto
Kossuth was and always will be a Hungarian hero and since he was dead when his name was used for propaganda,he did not have the option to speak up for himself which in my view, makes him a victim of the Communists.
I’ve read a few articles about him on the Internet today to refresh my memory and after reading what looks like Chapter 26 of Stephen Sisa’s book “The Spirit of Hungary” I am going to order it – he is referred to as ” the Great Hungarian patriot, champion of liberty” as well as “the great Hungarian champion of freedom and democracy.”
http://www.hungarianhistory.com/lib/hunspir/hsp33.htm
How ironic that Hungarians in the US as well as Americans with no Hungarian background are honouring him today while on this website he reputation and his legacy are being smeared.
http://www.magyarnews.org/news.php?viewStory=568
@ Leto
I just read that chapter again:
“In retrospect, Kossuth was the only Hungarian statesman who made an indelible mark on the world. His rank in history was established in 1851 by Horace Greely with these words:
He may be called to die in a palace or a dungeon, in his prime or in decrepitude, amid tears or execrations, but his place in history is already fixed and can not be changed. Among orators, patriots, statesmen, exiles, he has, living or dead, no superior.”
I beg to differ – a bunch of morons in 2011 are indeed trying to change his place in history.
BTW, if the Petofi was the real Communist mascot, is he next on the hit list?
@olga:
That’s fine with me, all I did was I stated a fact.
@ Leto and Double
Leto: I appreciate your telling me the facts because frankly I did not know that Kossuth was used for propaganda but the “fact” remains that the crazies are blaming him for something he had nothing to do with.
Bad enough to want to learn more about Hungary and having to read the never ending Nazi bullshit around here including the “New and Improved version of WWII” but I would have thought that someone like you would be outraged that Kossuth’s reputation is being questioned.
I guess I find the silence deafening.
Double : Re: “Can you get any stupider?”
There is just no pleasing you, I gave it my best shot.
Hi Olga,
I’m at my other computer, but I’m sure you can work out who I am.
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I see the holocaust stuff here all the time, and I have to admit that I get to the point sometimes of wondering if all Hungarians think like that.Well, tonight, I went to a film screening of a documentary called ’3 missing pages’ by a Hungarian Master of Journalism student.It told the story of a Hungarian woman who fell in love and was engaged before WWII.They were separated when he was drafted and then sent to a work camp at Bor, while she was sent to a camp in Austria.She describes the shame of having to wear the star, and it is clear that she only saw herself as Hungarian.She never knew what happened to him, and her only clue is a book of her brother’s with three missing pages.(hence the title)The documentary follows her story of tracking down the pages, to find that they tell how her fiance was tortured and executed for a picture he tried to send out of the camp of the commandant with a pig’s head.
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What touched me was how much empathy was shown by the film maker in making the film and the audience in their response.It didn’t demonise Hungarians.It didn’t ‘glorify’ the holocaust.It just told a tragic story of lost, yet enduring love.It reminded me of just how special Hungary is to me, how much I love it, how much I miss it, and how the hatred shown here is not representative of all Hungarians.
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btw-tried to get the Sisa book, but couldn’t.Let me know if you are successful.Would love to read it.
@Katy,
I could buy one for you and send it…consider it your birthday and Christmas present all wrapped up into one! Just say the word.
Zsuzsa: That would be so cool. As long as you’re sure it’s ok, I’d be so grateful…and it would give me something nice to look forward to reading.
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Incidentally, people often ask me if I get homesick.I don’t really.I miss the environment space, the fresh air, the blue sky and the quiet, but if I could ever describe myself as having homesickness, it is when I see photos of Hungary.
@Katy,
“As long as you’re sure it’s ok,”
Oh, give me a break! Pretty useless friend I’d be, if I wasn’t willing to help out when and where I could.
Send me your address again, I’m in the process of imputing all my contacts and info into my laptop.
Zsuzsa: email is on its way.
Those csangos are idiots,if they feel hungarian they should go to Hungary.Their ancestors came to stay in romanian lands and these idiots mock it by accepting hungarian citizenship on a commemoration of a event when hungarians were against the romanians(and other ethnicities).
Also wanted to add one fact for the stupid hungarians who mock their neighbors: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pannonian_Romance
“The Romanized population of Pannonia (for which the historian Theodore Mommsen calculated a population of about 200,000 around the 4th century) survived Barbarian invasions (by the Huns, Goths, Avars and others)”
There were latins in Pannonia when magyars arrive,and Pannonia is a plain,so why do butthurt hungarians think it’s not the case with Transylvania and the rest of Romania? Learn your past and deal with it,hungarians are not even European language-wise.
Ce-i mai Mihai ? Te-ai sculat cu fata la cearceaf azi ? Primul tau post pe aici incepe cu o insulta adusa unei categorii de oameni – ceangaii.
Nu-i de loc un inceput bun. Nu-i nici util.
Parerea mea.
@seinean Dacă nu ştii engleză atunci mai bine taci că pari prost. Foloseşte dicţionarul şi vezi ce înseamnă “those”.Orice om cu capul pe umeri din regiune ar trebui să se simtă când nişte lingăi serbează un event în care au fost ucişi oameni cu miile că li s-a sculat la unguri nationalismul,dar tu te iei de mine pentru cei 100 de proşti,bravo.
Al doilea post al tau cu inca o insulta.
Romania este o tara libera in care traiesc oameni liberi. Pentru asta au murit oameni.
Daca ceangaii se simt maghiari, vor sa devina si cetateni ai Ungariei si se bucura pentru asta ESTE DREPTUL LOR.
Daca moldovenii din “Riepublica” se simt romani si vor sa devina cetateni ai Romaniei este de asemenea dreptul lor.
Daca crezi ca stropsindu-te si aruncand cu insulte pe forumuri unguresti faci vre-un bine te inseli amarnic. Este insa dreptul tau si sa te inseli.
@seinean Idiotule(uite o insulta ca sa nu vorbesti aiurea) eu n-am nimic cu ceangaii. Cei 100 de asa-zisi ceangai care s-au dus in Ungaria sa-si ceara cetatenie putea sa se duca in ORICARE ALTA ZI,DAR ei au ales o ZI SPECIALA,acea zi “SPECIALA” este una anti-romanesca in principiu pentru ca este vorba de celebrarea a 163 de ani de la razboiul din 1848-1849 in care sovinistii unguri au luptat impotriva tuturor celorlalte popoare din Imperiul Habsburgic(inclusiv a romanilor,si multi romani au murit in acel razboi). Repet inca o data,ca pari idiot,cei 100 puteau sa aleaga orice zi sa devina cetateni ai Rep.Ungare(n-am nimic faptul ca un cetatean roman vrea sa devina si cetatean ungur) dar au ales o zi special anti-romaneasca ceea ce este grav,eu sper ca au ramas in Ungaria si ca nu se vor mai intoarce niciodata in Moldova.
idiot este fiul lui ma-ta.
@seinean & Mihai,
Hey there guys! How are you all doin? Sorry, I don’t quite have the accent down pat…I’m from Canada eh!
I am so happy to hear you both are doing well…now…I am positive, that you 2 can find a Romanian site to piss off too and bond there…so why don’t cha?
Off you go!
@Erik,
Is there nothing you can do here?
Can you not just zap these guys into cyberspace?
@ jusatasking
Mihail is calling seinean an Idiot (the only word I understood) I am pretty sure judging seinean’s previous posting is that he is trying to get this guy to calm down and not be an aggressive fool
BTW, let’s go over to Slovakia, did you see this?
http://www.budapestreport.com/2011/05/26/slovak-anti-hungarian-sentiment-still-continues-after-65-years/
I hope all this animosity (plaques, law-suits etc) are not making it harder for the Hungarian minorities living in these countries but I suspect
that’s wishful thinking on my part; obviously there is huge resentment for Hungarians in these countries for wanting dual citizenship and I can guess why but no point fanning the flames.
@Olga,
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“Mihail is calling seinean an Idiot (the only word I understood) I am pretty sure judging seinean’s previous posting is that he is trying to get this guy to calm down and not be an aggressive fool”
Well, I thought we already established that seinean was an idiot awhile ago? Do we really need Mihai to confirm this in Romanian as well?
I suppose I could call my brother-in-law to read these posts and decipher them for me…I told you he was from Erdely…for some reason, they learnt Romanian over there…can’t quite figure out why you need to speak Romanian on Hungarian soil?
Oh well, ya never know when another language will come in handy I suppose.
As for Slovakia…everybody knows, the only reason why they have anything, is simply due to ‘squatters rights’ and nothing to do with actual ties to the land they now inhibit.
Think about it…the Czechs barley acknowledge them and the Hungarians took pity on them (combined with the desperate need to populate the land and tax citizens) and let them in…they simply bit the hand that fed them.
Do you really expect anything less from them? I don’t.
Besides…does anybody really care about the plight of Hungarian minorities in surrounding countries except for fellow Hungarians?
I seriously doubt it…they’re too busy trying to help ‘real’, more fashionable minorities…
Oh my…did I just say that out loud?
JA – it looks like you and “Mihai” deserve eachother. Great spirits allways meet over great ideas don’t they ?
@seinean,
DD
“JA – it looks like you and “Mihai” deserve eachother. Great spirits allways meet over great ideas don’t they ?”
Dude… did I stutter when I said I don’t speak/understand Romanian?
I know only 2 words in your beloved language…Nicolae Ceaușescu. And I’m pretty sure, that does not fall in line with basic High School Romanian!
Whatever ‘Mihai’ has said to you, I will only say this…if he managed to kick your sorry ass all over this site…give that boy my number!
I’m from Canada eh!
As for Slovakia…everybody knows, the only reason why they have anything, is simply due to ‘squatters rights’ and nothing to do with actual ties to the land they now inhibit.
justasking on May 28
Is this different from squatters in Canada who also have no actual ties to the land they now inhabit?
Also, it’s clear from Mihai’s post at May 19, 2011 who he thinks the squatters are.
-Also, it’s clear from Mihai’s post at May 19,
2011 who he thinks the squatters are.
everybody here is a squatter,
The Magyars should go back to Central Asia(
Volga/Don-”Magna Hungary” area), from where they
came to Europe and invaded Pannonia in the 9th-
10th century.
The Romanians should go back to Italy, from where
they came as colonists during the 2nd-3rd century-
after Dacia was conquered by the Roman Empire
The Slovaks are Slavic people and should go back
to the Slavic heartland (Kiev/Ucraine and
Moscow/Russia areas), from where the Slavic people
migrated to Europe during the 7th-8th centuries.
The only ones which should be allowed to stay are
those who can prove, beyond a reasonable doubt,
that thay have never fucked their mother.
@George,
“Is this different from squatters in Canada who also have no actual ties to the land they now inhabit?”
Hmmmm….The British came, they fought, they won. Similar, to 896 when Arpad and the boys came, fought and won.
So, where exactly are the squatters in Canada?
@JA – Oh, you are British then?
“fought and won” – guess Arpad’s great-grandboys finally fought and lost. No squatters there either.
@George,
“@JA – Oh, you are British then?”
You mean didn’t know? I thought you would’ve caught on when I told you about my big brown crooked teeth?!
Us Brits are famous for that…oh, and for having really, really big ears.
Unfortunately, I was not blessed with the ears
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“guess Arpad’s great-grandboys finally fought and lost. No squatters there either.”
See, that’s where you seem to have a little trouble comprehending. Nothing was fought and lost…it was gift wrapped and delivered with a big red bow…
@uncurious george:
The only thing the Romanians have to do with Italy is that a lot of them beg in the streets there these days.
See, that’s where you seem to have a little trouble comprehending. Nothing was fought and lost…it was gift wrapped and delivered with a big red bow… :
justasking at May 28, 2011 6:04 PM
See, that’s where you seem to have a little trouble comprehending. Losing takes many forms.
About your teeth, there are lots of good dentists here. If you need a recommendation…… http://tinyurl.com/3oj5o47
Can’t help you with the myopia though.
@sw
You are talking about the Gypsies, sw. Yes, many
left Romania for their begging-business “craft” and
went to Italy, France, Germany, etc.
However, those who used to live in the whe western
part of Romania (Transilvania, Banat) speak
Hungarian as their first language. After Trianon
many of the Hungarian Gypsies ended up in Romania.
If you go to Italy you should be able to engage a
conversation on the street with them.
I meant Romanians.
@George,
“About your teeth, there are lots of good dentists here”
Oh no! You miss understand me…our teeth is what separates us…We give a flash of our big crooked teeth, and people identify us right away…kinda like you and that bone in your nose
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It had nothing to do with loss, and all to do with malicious intent.
@sw..I meant Romanians
-a small mistake, sw..very few Romanians speak
Hunagrian but almost all Gypsies in Transylvania and
Banat speak well.
Anyway prepare to get a lot of them back in Hungary
in the follwing years. Their language and their old
roots in Transylvania and Banat roots qualifies them
under your new citizenship law.
Romania will be happy to get rid of them and Italy
doesn’t seem to want them any longer.
Good luck.
@justasking
Dudesse… Looks like “civilised” is gone. It’s a trail of fairy dust. Wasn’t expecting that from a Canadian lady…
Is it something I said or is it just my nationality ? Which part you did not like ? Is it the one with the end of the “Hungarian Millenium ” I wonder ? C’mmon you can tell me…
@seinean,
“Wasn’t expecting that from a Canadian lady”
Neither would I…thank God you got it instead, from a Hungarian Canadian woman
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“Is it something I said or is it just my nationality?”
Oh, for sure you must have said something that triggered me off…your nationality matters not to me.
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” Is it the one with the end of the “Hungarian Millenium ”
No, nothing like that…more then likely some BS you learnt at U of NC
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“C’mmon you can tell me”
Stop begging…it’s unbecoming.
You don’t get to give me that crap just because I expressed opinions different than yours. Sure you can but what’s the point ? This is the Internet. You don’t know me personally, I didn’t offended you personally , I also did not offended Hungary/Hungarians/Canada/Canadians or the Humankind. I just expressed opinions in a calm, polite and argumented manner. So the only logical explanation for you being rude is that you can’t stand opinions different ( and maybe opposed) to yours. You’re not up for debating, you’re not up for questioning your own and other people’s opinions. You just don’t want to hear/read such opinions.
seinean
you sound surprised?!