April 15th, 2011

Judges protest planned mandatory retirement age cut in planned new constitution

Leaders of Hungary’s judiciary system protested in a statement issued on Thursday against the governing parties’ plan to reduce the mandatory retirement age for judges from 70 to 62 years in the new constitution.

The statement, addressed to the public of Hungary and the European Union, calls the proposal “irresponsible, ill-considered, and professionally unjustified.” It has been signed by heads of the Supreme Court, Hungary’s five courts of appeals, and 15 county courts.

The document said that the proposal was discriminative, and it violated international standards and regulations concerning the independence and legal status of judges.

If parliament passes the proposal as part of the new constitution, 274 judges will have to retire before the end of next year, and new judges will need to be appointed in approximately 40,000 cases causing considerable delays in court procedures, the document said.

According to signatories of the statement, the proposal was politically motivated, and the purpose of codifying the retirement age of judges in the constitution was to save the stipulation from a possible veto by the Constitutional Court.

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  • Leto

    It’s overdue for a long time to retire the judges of the Kádár-dictatorship.

  • paul

    No sympathy whatsoever for them.
    Where was their protests to the “public of Hungary and the European Union” when the Orban Regime first started dismantling the independent institutes of the state, including the judiciary, last year?
    They’ve only discovered a backbone when their own priviledged position and paypacke was under attack- well, tough luck, you (and democracy) has lost the battle long before now.

  • Elle

    Retiring the old Kádár cadre of the judiciary is all very well. But that leaves it stuck with the Kenéz Andrea style of judge who let Földesi-Szabó László walk out of her courtroom, even as she was reading out his seven-year sentence, and scarper to Israel (or elsewhere, should he deem it as safe for him). http://www.blikk.hu/blikk_aktualis/politikusokra-vall-foldesi-szabo-laszlo-2039577/
    This is the same judge who refused to grant Budaházy, still in preliminary detention for close to three years, leave to spend last Christmas with his young children. A lot more than compulsory retirement age is needed to clean out this nest of ziobloshie vipers before the Hungarian judiciary becomes worthy of that appellation.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I5BGsK5ZAU Viking

    Forcing certain groups of professional, like Judges, to retire can be seen as ‘age discrimination’ if not the Government is successful in justifying “it as a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim linked to social or employment policy”
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    http://www.hcsolicitors.co.uk/news.php?ID=46
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    The funny part it is the National Highest Court that is deciding if the Government’s justification “as a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim linked to social or employment policy” is valid or not
    So do they want to be fired or not?

  • Leto

    Retirement age is 62 years for other professionals, too.
    The new regulation simply scraps the exception to this general rule, that is judges didn’t have to retire until the age of 70.
    About 300 judges will have to give way to the young generation from January.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I5BGsK5ZAU Viking

    Retirement age is 62 years for other professionals, too
    Leto at April 16, 2011 4:52 PM

    To force people to stop working (read fire them) in common professions is an outlawed practice in many non-European countries, and may come to the EU soon
    The reason to fire old-age people is normally claimed to be to increase young people’s possibility to start to work
    On the other hand the mandatory retirement age in Hungary is very low at 62 and already in 2008 Fidesz demanded that the Gyurcsány Government raised the mandatory retirement age, which Gyurcsány refused
    Gyurcsány instead wanted to reduce the widespread Hungarian practice to take early retirement already from 58 and push it to 62
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    http://www.agingworkforcenews.com/2008/06/hungary-looking-to-raise-average.html
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    But when Our Dear Leader has the rudder, He makes definitely sure that Judges does not work longer than to their 62nd year
    That this new rule goes against what Fidesz proposed in 2008 surprises who?
    Or as we nowadays can state:
    * This would never happened under Gyurcsány!

  • Leto

    A big hand to Fidesz-KDNP for this measure which would help busting postcommies* from the judicial system! If actually needed then the retirement age limit could be certainly increased in a few years.
    * Sorry, justasking, I cannot think of a better name for these people, so forgive me this time.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I5BGsK5ZAU Viking

    A big hand to Fidesz-KDNP for this measure which would help busting postcommies* from the judicial system!
    Leto at April 16, 2011 7:27 PM

    “Janos Lazar, the head of the Fidesz group, said the aim of the proposal was to create a uniform environment across the board”
    So Lazar is then lying according to ‘leto’
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    http://www.politics.hu/20110412/hungarys-ruling-alliance-votes-to-lower-pension-age-for-judges-
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    “Current rules will continue to apply to constitutional court judges, who willserve on the bench between the ages of 45 and 70″
    Are no “constitutional court judges” ‘postcommies’, but only judges from lower courts?
    Funny that those lower court judges cannot change the policies of the country, but the Constitutional Court Judges can…

  • Leto

    An excerpt from the open letter written by (probably affected) judges which protests against that judges must retire at 62 like others:
    “We would have never believed we’d have to stand up for the rule of law and democracy against those who, some of them, took part in bringing down the dictatorship and building the democratic state structures”.
    No doubt this political letter, amazingly similar to MSZP rhetoric, justifies alone that old judges mostly gravitate to the forces of the ancient regime.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I5BGsK5ZAU Viking

    No doubt this political letter, amazingly similar to MSZP rhetoric, justifies alone that old judges mostly gravitate to the forces of the ancient regime.
    Leto at April 17, 2011 1:24 PM

    Of course, every one not happy with every detail Our Dear Leader has and will invent, must belonging, have been belonging or will belong “to the forces of the ancient regime”
    There is of course no other way of explaining people’s dissidence
    .
    ‘leto’ would get a good pay-check in Syria, Iran and Tripoli for writing things like this

  • Leto

    I asked a friend of mine who works as a court secretary (he’s a clerk). He said “everybody knows where the commitments and hearts of old judges are”. Basically he gave a big thump up.

  • Leto

    thumb

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I5BGsK5ZAU Viking

    “everybody knows where the commitments and hearts of old judges are”
    Leto at April 17, 2011 5:33 PM

    “Janos Lazar, the head of the Fidesz group, said the aim of the proposal was to create a uniform environment across the board”
    So Lazar is then lying

  • Leto

    Judges protest that they want to continue to work 8 years more than everybody else. I mean with the exception of those who can now retire in their 40′s or early 50′s. Those also protest because they want to work 15-20 years less than others.
    You just can please everybody..

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I5BGsK5ZAU Viking

    Judges protest that they want to continue to work 8 years more than everybody else
    Leto at April 18, 2011 2:15 AM

    And what is the actual problem with that, when Hungary’s main problem is that so few people actually work?
    You do not get more people in work by lowering the Mandatory Retirement Age and Fidesz wanted in 2008 rise this Age from the current 62, but now this demand is suddenly forgotten and it is more important to force people who actually function in their work and contribute to the society, to do nothing and just collect their retirement money, which nowadays only can come from the Taxes, the fewer who has work will have to pay
    Obviously there is a shortage of Judges, so there would be no big deal to employ more Judges if now Fidesz has so many unemployed Judges as their members and closest supporters that they want to give work as thanks for given support
    You know supporting ‘Special Interest Groups’

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