Jobbik challenged the amended criminal code at the Constitutional Court on Tuesday.
Deputy caucus leader János Volner told reporters that Monday’s amendment to the civil code, which outlawed “uniformed crime”, is “morally unacceptable” and “professionally defective”.
Parliament has passed regulations that will persecute “honest people sacrificing their own funds, and their own free time, for public order,” he added.
MP György Zagyva presented a samurai sword and claimed that 40 Roma people recently defied a 400-strong police presence and roamed around Gyöngyöspata, Heves county, armed with iron bars, scythes and a samurai sword.
why not deal with the real problem – GYPSY CRIME??
why not deal with the real problem – GYPSY CRIME??
jobbo at May 4, 2011 5:18 PM
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Like the abducting, raping and killing small girls?
But hey, that was not a Roma doing that, whatever you and other “Jobbik”-sympathisers were claiming
Just ask the parents of 14 yo Nora in Kiskunlacháza, they can verify that is whatever
But you will still put that down to a “gypsy crime”
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http://www.politics.hu/20100527/antiroma-attacks-continued-in-hungary-says-ai-2009-report
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Stereo-typing is definitely not helping out, but that was never your intention either
Gypsy crime is something most people on this board don’t know much about. It’s so common, it’s not even news any more, and even if it was, no one dares to report it as such.
Unless you speak Hungarian and willing to visit the affected areas to see it for yourself, you’re just parroting the liberal propaganda, so there’s no reason for you to pretend to have an opinion, you’re only yet another brainwashed troll.
“Gypsy crime is something most people on this board don’t know much about.”
It’s true, 15 years in Hungary, and no direct experience of crime – gypsy or otherwise – unlike the family and friends I left in the UK. I think this is a problem of perception, Hungarians were spoiled by Communist ‘crimeless’ society. We in the West were exposed to the horrors of a competitive, capitalist society, and take bad behaviour by the losers as par for the course.
Sophist. True to your name. I hope you know what you’re talking about because you’ve lost the rest of us.
a)Petty crime
b)Organized crime
c)Tax evasion
d)Graft/corruption
e)Nepotism
f)Usury.
The above list contains some of the sins of the fathers still prevalent throughout Hungary. This is before we even start on local, and central, government misdemeanors!
The term “Gypsy crime” originates as a non-political criminology phrase from the Kádár-dictatorship: crime types which are committed predominantly by Gypsies or actual criminal acts committed by Gypsies.
Interesting article on this topic:
http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cig%C3%A1nyb%C5%B1n%C3%B6z%C3%A9s
@Sophist “It’s true, 15 years in Hungary, and no direct experience of crime – gypsy or otherwise – unlike the family and friends I left in the UK.”
What a lucky guy! [Should seriously consider playing the Lottery; on the other hand the family and friends in the UK shouldn’t even bet on a Liverpool match.]
Epicurean,
thanks for this check list:
a)Petty crime – lost my wallet once in 1993, the cash was lifted but the credit cards and the passport (surely worth more) was returned to the police.
b)Organized crime. Tipping the bin men perhaps?
c)Tax evasion. Is it a crime if everyone is doing it, and nobody is ever punished?
d)Graft/corruption. Lots of talk about it, very little comes to court.
e)Nepotism. Is this a crime in Hungary?
f)Usury. Is this a crime since the Reformation?
No, the crimes I was thinking of were: robbery (4x), burglary (2x), car theft (5x), assault (6x), rape (2x) higher in the UK. Murder is 1.5x higher in Hungary, but that’s because the Health Service is better at keeping victims alive in the UK.
It seems to be true: http://www.europeword.com/blog/europe/european-crime-rates/
“For many people thinking of moving to the UK it is important to recognise that Britain has got the worst of all European crime rates. It has the highest level of assaults as well as high rates of car theft, general robbery and pick pocketing. Much of this is put down to the binge drinking culture in the UK which has given those countries a bad name. Changes to the licensing laws have attempted to address this problem but have been largely unsuccessful. The other countries with the highest European crime rates are: Estonia, Holland and Denmark, each of which again have high rates of theft, assault and GTA. The highest rates of sexual violence were reported in: Ireland, Sweden, Austria and Germany.
This makes them slightly less safe to live in, and contrasts them with the countries with the lowest European crime rates: Spain, Hungary, Finland and Portugal. Italy and France also have very low rates of assault.”
Leto,
“the countries with the lowest European crime rates: Spain, Hungary, Finland and Portugal.”
So would you agree that the problem is largely one of perception? Differing political groups are exploiting a conflict between ‘gypsy criminals’ and ‘fascist vigilantes’ which is presenting Hungary in the worst possible light to outsiders of both political poles. This is shooting ourselves in the foot threefold: it deters tourists, it prejudices Hungary in international politics, and damages our own sense of self-worth.
Do I write ‘our’? My, I must feel at home.
@Sophist:
“you agree that the problem is largely one of perception?”
Not exactly. People don’t relate to foreign countries, they relate to their own past and their direct experiences. So crime IS a great problem in Hungary. Crime rates are always a question of perception just like the cleanliness of streets. A fallen tree leaf is considered litter in Monte Carlo’s main street.
As for the ‘gypsy criminals’ vs. ‘fascist vigilantes’ thing, yes, I completely agree to that. This could be very clearly seen in the Gyöngyöspata case. (Though I bet there were foreign players in that game, too.)
Jobbik and MSZP-LMP (+remnants of SZDSZ) play perfectly into each other’s hand in this regard.
Unfortunately this kind of political symbiosis is now the rule, rather than the exception, in Hungarian politics.
Re: “our”: You seem to be. Great.
The highest rates of sexual violence were reported in: Ireland, Sweden, Austria and Germany
Leto at May 5, 2011 11:08 AM
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It is very hard to compare crime stats from different countries, then they are recorded differently
A very easy example, Sweden reports *reported* crimes in its stats, some countries report only the ones that the Police bring on to the Prosecution, meaning a bunch is dropped as “not so interesting or crime could not be proven”
Take one of the internationally famous sex-crime cases from Sweden, WikiLeaks Assagne:
* Assagne has created at least 2 rapes and a number of other sexual offences in the Swedish crime stats, without being charged yet
And the rape-charges is based on having sex with two women, who consented, but later claimed that Assange had punctured the condoms used. In Sweden this is rape, since some years, and that is why rape-statistics is up in Sweden since that time
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Some countries would not even consider it a sexual offence, extremely few rape
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This fact is used against other figures showing that rape increased, as immigration
None of them are true, just the stats are differently recorded now, and immigration has changed character (now with restricted immigration, immigration of relatives have increased relatively, and normally that figure is used by anti-immigration groups, like how ‘bob’ did a year or so ago)
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http://www.bra.se/extra/pod/?action=pod_show&id=13&module_instance=11
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From Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention
Fidesz are bowing to the Neo Liberals or literally
are the Neo Liberals, as speculated they’re worse
then the MSZP. The country is going down the drain.
The country is going down the drain.
Law at May 5, 2011 5:30 PM
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Maybe we will all be flushed down to Australia?
Home Sweet Home for ‘law’
Leto,
“People don’t relate to foreign countries, they relate to their own past and their direct experiences”
And would you agree that for older people abandoned in declining villages, their own past and direct experience was Communism?
@Sophist:
I know that you’re driving at that their sense of safety was shaped by that period and a dictatorship, by its nature, can generally provide more public safety to average people than a democracy can.
The Hungarian phrase “ez sovány vigasz nekik” applies. (That’s slim consolation for them). Besides such a kind of relativization doesn’t help anyone.
“Maybe we will all be flushed down to Australia?
Home Sweet Home for ‘law’”
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Please don’t wish that on them. I’m not a
nationalistic or xenophobic Australian, but I do
believe in protecting the environment.