The French-to-Hungarian feature on Google translate no doubt saw a small spike in usage yesterday, following the discovery by mandiner.hu that leading French business daily Les Échos had published an article quoting Viktor Orbán talking about his Jewish roots:
« L’antisémitisme est antidémocratique et inacceptable. Je suis un Hongrois d’origine juive. Mais je n’ai pas de double identité. Mon identité est hongroise et je n’ai aucun problème avec le fait d’être juif. Je ne l’ai jamais nié et mon père me frapperait si je le faisais »
After no doubt receiving lots of helpful tips from concerned readers, the paper went on to correct its story to show that the quote was actually from Tamás Deutsch, the MEP and former minister who is probably the best-known Jewish member of Fidesz. (Though without indicating such a change had been made.)
This being an obvious matter of urgent national priority, Index.hu took the matter to Orbán spokesman Péter Szijjártó, who explained that the paper had apparently mixed up quotes from an old story in the Independent and went with it. All we can say is, thank god they hadn’t done their research by machine translating this.
Il y a un autre homme compliqué qui surement n’a pas eu besoin d’utiliser “Google translate” pour comprendre ce que les journalistes de “Les Echos” ont ecrit: Monsieur le Président de la République Sárközi
Pourquoi? C’est quoi une référence au Monsieur Sárközy?
Salut Leto !
Ce n’est q’une référence a l’ascendence Hongroise de Monsieur Sarkozy. Un héritage compliqué lui aussi comme celui de M. Orban.
Cordialement.
Mais M. Orbán est tout simplement hongrois.
Cordialement aussi.
Et s’il ne serait pas simplement hongrois , s’il aurait une ascendence non hongroise quelconque , est-ce que cela aurait été important pour vous ? Est-ce que cela aurait été important pour sa carrière d’homme politique hongrois ?
Vous n’avez pas compris ma remarque… J’ai seulement indiqué un fait, une différence qui fait sa remarque inutile.
Bon, allors je ne manquerai pas une bonne occasion de me taire – comme disait jadis un autre président français ( lui aussi une personne assez compliqué d’ailleurs).
N’empêche – vous n’avez pas répondu au deux questions directes.
*aux
Je ne serais pas heureux si notre président avait un héritage comme celui-ci. Mais je ne serais pas indigné. Est-ce assez pour vous?
Oui , c’est assez.
C’est seulement que dans notre coin de l’Europe il est tres dificille sinon impossible d’occuper un position politique de point si on a pas l’ascendence ethnique “acceptable”.
Pour donner deux exemples “roumains”:
- il y a quelques annees un groupe d’intelos a essaye de promouvoir M. György Frunda comme un cadidate pesidentiel “non-roumain” acceptable a la majorite roumaine et capable d’initier des processus positives en ce que concerne les relations inter-ethniques. Ils ont echoue nete.
- en 2010 le PNL a esaye de depasser une crise gouvernamentale en proposant en tant que premier ministre le maire de Sibiu/Szeben – Klaus Johannis, un saxon de Transylvanie. Pas mal des gens ont eu comme principale reproche envers M. Johannis son origine “non-roumaine”. Sa nomination a echouee elle ausssi.
D’accord, je peux comprendre ce genre et il n’y a rien à discuter à ce sujet…
ce genre de chose
Oh, la la – Honni soit qui mal y pense …
Ah, the far right seems to thrilled all over the net… It’s been proven! Orbán is a J.*w!
Well, the fake-left (postcommies) started spreading back in 2005 or so that he’s a Gypsy (later this was picked up by the far right, too).
Since being a Gypsy J-*w sounds like a very unlikely breed to me, I think they should really fight it out among themselves…
Szabad Ember says:
January 25, 2012 at 3:26 pm
@Leto,
You just cannot ever avoid throwing out the insults, can you? Do you have Tourette’s Syndrome? Why can’t you just disagree with someone? What is the point of calling them names? When do you graduate from elementary school?
Once again, keep it up, you’re making yourself and all who agree with you look like clueless bullies who have no real counter-arguments, and who therefore resort to saying everyone else is lying and is a “postcommie”, which is, of course, a nonsensical insult.
At least the very least, though, you should try to come up with some new insults; you know, clever stuff, like “piss off”.
Szabad: Thanks…completely agree. The great philospher Leto is making himself ridiculous. Buuuut…he does not know it yet.
His reply…..my guess…wil be another insult.
@Paul
Or, nothing at all!
Yep…no picture no voice…no reply.
I think I won.
Yeah, you certainly won, you little boy in that sandbox.
@Leto
Now be careful…..you are gaining points and making some sense these days. I even appreciate your battle..I think you are sincere. So far so good. I think the insult is creative..i appreciate creativity.
Soooo let’s find some common ground from now on. Okay?
@Paul:
I absolutely don’t need brownie points from anyone, you included..
We’ve already found some important common ground in the case of the Holy Crown: one doesn’t insult national symbols in any way and one speaks considerately about them. Unlike you, Curious George didn’t get that simple truth.
@Leto – Too bad you still don’t get it despite having claimed to have served the military & being active in local politics. You don’t fight for a piece of cloth (flag) or a piece of metal (holy crown). You fight for your country, or to defend its principles.
Principles can be encoded into a constitution, and understood by all (citizens & non citizens alike) The crown represents different things to different people at different times & so it is a poor reference point in a constitution over the long term.
I really don’t care if you understand that or not, or whether you insult me. It is your country, and so don’t expect non-citizens to feel the same way you do about any symbol, or how you want it represented or respected. Hell, you can’t even get all Hungarians to feel the same way about the Arpad stripes.
I’m not going further on this thread. Feel free to carry on.
@Curious George:
I have served in the army indeed and I’d fight for my country and, say here (so to speak), to defend my principles. The Holy Crown is an excellent reference point in a constitution over the long term (provided about 1000 years is long enough), despite meaning different things to different people at different times. After all that can be said about the national flag,etc., too … only over a much shorter term.
I don’t expect non-Hungarian to feel the same way I do about the Holy Crown or any other Hungarian symbol. I don’t even expect that from fellow Hungarians. What I expected from you though that you wouldn’t start talking about pieces of metal and wooden sticks after an a..hole called the Holy Crown “stinking piece of metal”.
Mais enfin, c’est quoi ce bazar ici?! Vous n’avez pas honte de se moquer autant de notre Grand Premier? Basta avec votre opinions pédés, va vous faire enc#ler, espèces de guignols!!
Of course he is a Jew, he has driven Hungary into bankruptcy and into a EU-political stalemate in only one year.
–now seriously, based on his looks, it is more likely that he has some Gypsy-blood. Some of his ancestors may have been one of Maria Theresa’s ‘Új magyár’.
look for the pics of Orban and Jánoš Bihari
does it really matter in hungary what roots a political
(or any person) leader has?
Is not more important what he says and does ?
How he guides his nation with a vision for the future?
How he seriously works for the improvement of living conditions for his people?
And how he leads by example ,based on human ethics and
values?
Orban seems to me an extraordinary leader in this respect.
“does it really matter in hungary what roots a political
(or any person) leader has?”
No, I don’t think it does. I doubt the majority of people in Hungary care a whistle about that (as long as the leader is not clearly a foreigner, of course).
MSZP activists started a whisper campaign about Orbán’s Gypsy roots back in 2006, before the elections, with the intent of playing on racism, but I don’t think this was hugely successful. However (like this article also shows) this, or the question of his “Je-wi.sh roots”, has become a topic in far-right circles, too, since then.
Leto says:
February 1, 2012 at 10:22 am
MSZP activists started a whisper campaign about Orbán’s Gypsy roots back in 2006
—
You never proved that one, did you?
Before you claimed more the mid-90s for the MSZP-root, because around 2005/2006 this one was a “Jobbik”-exclusive
-http://www.stop.hu/belfold/orban-8222nem-vagyok-cigany8221/95583/
I was informed a while ago that Nicki Szarkozy had Hungarian roots. At first glance one could be excused for mistaking him for an Arabic waiter!
Orban Viktor is this country’s number one football fan and he avoids all other business that threatens to sidetrack him from this most noble of sports. Perhaps this is the reason Hungary has fallen over the cliff into the abyss – socially and economically, speaking?
@MagyarViking
[To Leto] “You never proved that one, did you?”
Have someone Hungarian in your family translate this for you.
[Note: The date of the article is April 20th 2006.]
“az MSZP egyáltalán nem szokott kétségbe esni, vagy bizonytalankodni, ha rasszista eszközöket kell bevetni. Az egész országban az aktivistáik azt terjesztik – valótlanul egyébként -, hogy én cigány származású vagyok, és azt remélik, hogy ezzel el lehet ijeszteni tőlem a szavazókat” – fogalmazott Orbán Viktor.”
Now it’s your turn to prove that Jobbik exclusive thing.
So, The Truth flies out of the Mouth of Vikatator Orban?
Why did I not think about that one myself, damned…
Given how the Viktator looks it is a rather moot question, who first made the link
Which has nothing to do if it is correct or not, it just reflects people’s prejudices
For me I heard it around 2005 from typical “Jobbik”-people, but maybe they heard it from their MSZP-buddies?
Could be that I do not have any MSZP-buddies, must get some to fix that deficit. But where?
@DoubleH63:
The most horrendous anti-Gypsy hatred I have ever experienced in my life was from some hard-core MSZP supporters back in 2005 or so. One can also read nasty anti-Gypsy and sometimes – much, much less frequently – anti-Je.w-ish hate posts on the net written by MSZP-supporters. I also remember a video (maybe from index.hu) where Gyurcsány fans, in a hurry to a Gyurcsány-rally, bad-mouth Orbán as a Gypsy. So it’s really a big lie to say only Jobbik fans would be racists in a nasty way. Jobbik has acquired a lot of ex-MSZP supporters and the switch wasn’t a big shock for them in this regard.
Also, according to a sociology survey, made by HSA (MTA) during the Horn-government (1994-1998), MSZP voters were the most racists by far.
Leto says:
February 2, 2012 at 9:51 am
it’s really a big lie to say only Jobbik fans would be racists in a nasty way
—
Yes, ‘leto is showing that Fidesz-supporters can be racists also
If now any would be in doubt of that…
But it is good ‘leto’ invents other peoples arguments and then prove them wrong
I mean ‘leto’ cannot prove any real arguments from other people, so better invent those that are ‘beatable’