The first snow of 2012 had fallen on the day Natasha Váradi invited us into the house she shares with her 10 children, mother and father-in-law in the Hungarian village of Gyöngyöspata. The two rooms were dark and dank: for four months the family had been living without electricity, gas or running water. Every half an hour a child went down the hill with a bucket to draw water from the communal pump. By night they stumbled around with torches as they squeezed on to mattresses.
Poor, abused and second-class: the Roma living in fear in Hungarian village
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What responsible person has 10 children? Government benefits…
There was a viral video on the net some time ago where a person exactly like this said into the microphone: “Am I an idiot to work when I could make money with my d..k?”
That was A True Magyar Nationalist speaking, then what is Fidesz/Jobbik Family policies aimed at?
* You get a cookie, the the answer is of course – More children, and lots of them. The benefits increase the more you have
So what *is* the problem
This guy is Hungary’s future
Literally…
It has been part of Roma tradition to have large families before anything like government benefits existed. MaygarViking also makes the point, that the world over poor families are more likely to have large families. One reason is security in old age. Another reason is that historically in poor families it was very likely that many children would die before maturity as a result of childhood illnesses.
It also a fact that the best way to encourage small families in the poor is to empower women and increase a families economic standing.
P.S. Maybe she should have considered having 10 children before she had them, very irresponsible. My question is where is personal responsibility?
Greg says:
January 27, 2012 at 9:21 pm
where is personal responsibility?
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She is an Hungarian Catholic
They believe in the Sacred Holy Sperm
Who are you to get in the way of God?
Or maybe you should have?
Idiot
Religion or not, it is still very irresponsible to have this much children and then claim poverty…duuhhh..
Greg says:
January 27, 2012 at 11:18 pm
it is still very irresponsible to have this much children and then claim poverty
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Did I just read that?
Does you wife come with a meter?
To be paid in advance…
If you did not know it, it is a tradition among poor folks to have many children, then hopefully 2-3 becomes good enough to keep the parents alive in their old age (which normally is not too long anyway)
For some reason really poor folks does not seem to trust the 3-pillar Pension System
I cannot understand why
Someone tell the woman her vagina is not a clown car.
Interesting that nobody mentioned the militia or discrimination in the schools. Claims of discrimination are politically motivated?
???
Did you read the attached article or not?
You have to click that symbol, you know?
I was referring to the posts, my friend.
@ Pete H
Enpower women? As in sending them on a weekend crash course and learn how to perform vasectomies?
Sounds good to me, I just wasn’t sure if that’s what your definition of enpowering women means.
re Greg’s comment about \P.S. Maybe she should have considered having 10 children before she had them, very irresponsible. My question is where is personal responsibility? \
Where does personal responsibility as far as men are concerned come into play or did this woman have 10 kids through immaculate conception?
Oink Oink you guys
@olga:
For your last (probably rhetorical) question, see my above remark.
This is a proven fact globally. Poor women when they are economically and politically empowered tend to have fewer children. So instead of moralizing about this women actions, actions that are the norm in her community, look at it in a broader context. If the condition of Roma improve, their women will have fewer children.
Might help to ban conjugal rights in Hungarian prisons. Anyway the children problems will go away as Orban’s plan makes it easier for white folk to adopt Roma kids. The Adopter’s benefit from the new tax plan to boot.
Sex is a seemingly cheap form of entertainment too… Nobody really thinks of the costs of the consequences.
Maybe the Government should run ads that informs the general public about the terrible outcome if doing ‘it’
Similar to smoking and drunk driving
Maybe they can design underwear with horror-pictures on them?
Pete H is absolutely right. Empowerment=education. This question is also interesting in terms of the decline in the total population of Hungary to less than 10 million.
@ Leto
I am no sure if I agree with your delicate posting – having been a welfare worker in my early 20′s for a 5 year period was an eye opener. The men did not benefit by having all these kids from a financial perspective because they did not stick around and be part of the family ; you implied that the women with the multitude of children have the kids’ Dads in the home and they were living as family units.
95 % of my clients were Mother led families with the father(s) of the kids either nowhere to be seen or paying ridiculously low amount of court ordered support payments because they were low income earners.
I don’t know the circumstances of people on welfare in Hungary nor do I know the eligibility rules but I do know that during those 5 years I referred to, our economy was booming and we had all kinds of free Adult education Programs, free day care during school hours as well as free access to birth control counseling and only a very few people took advantage of them.
Of course Education is empowerment but you cannot force people to get an education nor can you force them to use birth control so what the prevailing philosophy was in those days was to start rainwashing kids from pre-school on the importance of education and a different way of life.
I was at a Christmas party last month with the people I used to work with, they have risen in the ranks and are running the various welfare offices; the bottom line, nothing has changed but with the downturn in the economy, we now have a better educated welfare class.
Doom and gloom – I must be picking up some posters’ personalities here , God forbid.
@olga:
I don’t know how similar or dissimilar such a situation is in Canada and Hungary. I only remembered that video and I suppose that Gypsy man knew what he was talking about.
youliar the Roma situation has just improved compared to before 2010
current gouvernment is NOT building barriers on Kossuth square and they are NOT playing the fear card against the people
if you cannot beat them join them
notexactly says:
January 31, 2012 at 9:14 am
current gouvernment is NOT building barriers on Kossuth square
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I do not remember any Roma around Kossuth Ter, so there was a need for barriers?
We know that you have problems with your memory, but with or without that, you still don’t make much sense. Could you try it again?
Try reading
notexactly says:
January 31, 2012 at 9:14 am
post and make some sense how the Roma question is connected to “building barriers on Kossuth square” and it will all be clear foryou
Summary of the report on the follow-up investigation of the Ombudsman for National and Ethnic Minority Rights on public employment, the practices of authorities dealing with minor offenses and the education situation in Gyöngyöspata (Hungary)
“Gyöngyöspata is an alarming example of “law and order” taken to extreme. The report on the incidents in Gyöngyöspata, issued in April 2011 by the Ombudsman, indicated that the events in the village have a wider meaning and significance. In a village with average crime statistics, an extremist political force took command, citing “Gypsy crime” as the reason, first in the form of groups patrolling the streets and then officially as well. The instigators of the conflict, now having gained local power [the candidate of far-right party Jobbik was elected as mayor in July 2011 in a by-election], operate an authoritarian and fear-inducing system, while seemingly acting within the law.”
read the rest of the report here:
-http://pesterlloyd.net/2012_05/05kallaibericht/kallai_report_on_gyongyospata_-_summary.pdf