January 31st, 2012

Quotable: Gábor Vona on the “Gay Olympics”

“God is my witness, it’s not some kind of homophobia but merely common decency that makes me say that this really is the end of the world.”

Jobbik leader Gábor Vona, on the "Gay Olympics" scheduled to take place in Budapest this summer. [frissmeleg.hu]
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  • MagyarViking

    this really is the end of the world

    Good, then we and Hungary do not need to pay back our loans…

    Always Think Positive

  • Andy

    If fatty Vona thinks he can beat them, the events are open to anyone, not just gays.

    • justasking

      @Andy,

      “Vona thinks he can beat them, the events are open to anyone, not just gays”

      So is the ‘original’ Olympics.

      • Andy

        Well, I just want to know what Jobbik has against athleticism and sports. I mean apart from lardass alcoholics who think sipping beer makes them masculine.

        • justasking

          @Andy,

          “Well, I just want to know what Jobbik has against athleticism and sports”

          What are you talking about? What does ‘athleticism and sports’ have to do with masculinity? Are there no women in these games? Or, are you simply suggesting, that all Lesbians are butches?

          Do you know what the difference is between ‘phobias’ and ‘beliefs’?

          Understand, that some people simply disagree with such a life style, regardless of which side of the political spectrum they might favour.

          Why does there have to be a specific, separate ‘Gay’ Olympics? Do ‘they’ perform at a ‘lower level’ than the other athletes, warranting special consideration? Are Gays targeted in the ‘original’ Olympics? Is there a ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ policy that I am unaware of?
          ————-

          “I mean apart from lardass alcoholics who think sipping beer makes them masculine”

          And you’re accusing Jobbik members of being prejudiced? What about that mouthful you just posted?

          How tolerant are you of people’s differences? Not very, I’d say.

          Its okay to ‘hate’ and ‘target’ people, if they fail to fall in line with what YOU feel is acceptable….hmmm, interesting.

          Now…tell me how that’s not being hypocritical?

          • Szabad Ember

            @JA

            You always accuse me of not understanding what you post, without supporting your accusations, yet here is an example where you fail to comprehend what Andy wrote, and I will support my assertion. You accuse him of being “prejudiced” because of the sentence: “I mean apart from lardass alcoholics who think sipping beer makes them masculine”; if you look carefully, he never accused even the average Jobbik supporter of being a lardass alcoholic who thinks masculinity is derived from sipping beer, he just said that such people who exist within the ranks of Jobbik supporters would have something against athleticism and sports; namely, masculinity is derived from sipping beer.

            It’s very telling that you are so upset about someone painting Jobbik in a bad light (even when he or she isn’t necessarily), yet don’t care at all that Vona is so incensed by the mere existence of a group of people getting together in his country among like-minded people to compete at sports. How is their activity hurting him, exactly?

            Also, what was your point about the “‘original’ Olympics” being open to anyone? If someone can’t get into the Olympics, they should just stop competing in sports? I’d say you’re a homophobe, as well, after seeing you make a remark like that. It goes well with your phobias regarding logic and supporting arguments with facts or research.

  • rj

    Vona for president!arms Western society is sick and this man is merely expressing the truth.

    • Andy

      If you don’t like Western norms (like tolerance and “democracy”) then there’s no need to take over. You can just move to Iran or Saudi Arabia. They don’t have men who like men or democracy.

      • justasking

        @Andy,

        “If you don’t like Western norms (like tolerance and “democracy”) then there’s no need to take over. You can just move to Iran or Saudi Arabia. They don’t have men who like men or democracy”

        Well, neither does the US my good man…their Federal Government does not recognize same sex marriage, regardless what certain States might accept.

        But, lets talk about the ‘tolerance’ and ‘democracy’, you claim that is a Western ‘norm’. Lets call a spade a shovel shall we? 1) North America is lead by ‘political correctness’ more than anything. Meaning, what we say out loud in public, is not necessarily what we might say around the kitchen table. 2) Regarding democracy…did the EU not ‘install’ technocrat Governments in Greece and Italy? How ‘democratic’ is that?

        • Andy

          1. I live in the US. This nonsense about PC is just that. I’m more worried about war and corporate subsidies.

          2. I agree that it’s not democratic. Greece, like Hungary, should keep voting for politicians who promise everything. They should not be bailed out by technocrats who may avert complete disaster. Let these countries democratically choose failure.

          The Germans learned from their hyperinflation, no one else seems to have. So let Greece, Italy, Hungary continue to elect idiots of both left and right.

    • justasking

      @rj,

      “this man is merely expressing the truth”

      The ‘truth’ according to you…not necessarily the ‘truth’ according to others.

      • kj

        Not to western degenerate freaks like you

  • judas

    vonas statement could have make sense if he would have left out “decency” and “end of the world”.
    Its neither decent nor the end of the world.The real question is : Do we really need “gay olympics”?
    The common sense answer is: We do not.
    The original greek olynpics,one of 4 panhellenic games,
    were for men only and atheletes were amateurs and competed in the nude(with kind of penis restraint)
    Women had their own games.

    The ancient Greeks did not conceive of sexual orientation as a social identifier, as Western societies have done for the past centuries. Greek society did not distinguish sexual desire or behavior by the gender of the participants, but rather by the role that each participant played in the sex act, that of active penetrator or passive penetrated.[5] This active/passive polarization corresponded with dominant and submissive social roles: the active (penetrative) role was associated with masculinity, higher social status, and adulthood, while the passive role was associated with femininity, lower social status, and youth.

    We have today mixed,professional athelets competing in the games and their sexual preferences do not play a role.
    Therefore their is no need to hold separate “gay olympics”
    and/or “women only olympics” etc .etc.

    But if they gay community wants to separate itself ( after years of trying to be accepted and integrated)
    they are free to do so. In this they resemble very much
    certain political parties in hungary::.)))

    • justasking

      @judas,

      Exactly….

    • Andy

      Here’s the thing. You don’t get to tell an independent organization what they should do. You don’t like X, don’t do it.

      This Hungarian busybodying really has got to go. Somewhere in Hell, Comrade Kadar is smiling. He taught you all so well to involve yourself in other people’s affairs.

      • justasking

        @Andy,

        “You don’t get to tell an independent organization what they should do. You don’t like X, don’t do it.”

        Here’s the thing…you don’t get to tell an independent thinker what they should do. You don’t like X, ignore them.
        ———-

        “This Hungarian busybodying really has got to go”

        This forcing people to accept things that make them uncomfortable has to go.

        ————-

        “He taught you all so well to involve yourself in other people’s affairs”

        Obviously, the US learnt from him as well :o

        • Andy

          Who’s forcing you to attend this sporting event?

          The mere existence of other people different from you is not forcing you to do anything.

          • justasking

            @Andy,

            “Who’s forcing you to attend this sporting event?”

            I don’t remember reading people complaining about being ‘forced’ to attend…I believe the issue is about ‘supporting’ such a sporting event.
            ———

            “The mere existence of other people different from you is not forcing you to do anything”

            Do you really believe that?

            “Berlin mayor Klaus Wowereit, who is openly gay, reminded Tarlós in a letter that the gay games are not only a sporting event but also promote the acceptance of homosexuals”

            Yet, when people do stand up, push back and announce ‘we choose not to accept this form of lifestyle for whatever reason’… they get lamb basted. If that’s not ‘forcing’ people to conform…what is?

            Either you support a person’s basic right to accept, reject and voice their opinions in a democratic society, or you don’t. You can’t include a disclaimer when it suits your needs.

        • Egy Szabad Ember

          @JA

          You are so confused that you contradict yourself! You wrote “This forcing people to accept things that make them uncomfortable has to go”, right after writing “Here’s the thing…you don’t get to tell an independent thinker what they should do. You don’t like X, ignore them.”

          Which is it? If his statement makes me uncomfortable, I’m being forced to accept it if I can’t tell him what he should do. So why can’t these homophobes just ignore the gay games? Because they have been told they exist, so they can no longer just ignore them. I have unwittingly stumbled onto your stupidity, so I can no longer just ignore it, and must tell you that you should stop being a dumbass. You can ignore me, if you like.

          Other countries, such as the U.S., have business and governmental interests in Hungary; plus, if Hungary becomes a dictatorship, it might very well pose a threat to the U.S. (e.g. imperial Japan); therefore, the U.S. and the E.U. are not involving themselves in other countries’ affairs, they are protecting their own interests. You are a hypocrite for suggesting otherwise, because I’m sure that your buddy Harper has more than once criticized foreign governments.

  • judas

    vonas statement could have make sense if he would have left out “decency” and “end of the world”.
    Its neither decent nor the end of the world.The real question is : Do we really need “gay olympics”?
    The common sense answer is: We do not.
    The original greek olynpics,one of 4 panhellenic games,
    were for men only and atheletes were amateurs and competed in the nude
    Women had their own games.

    The ancient Greeks did not conceive of sexual orientation as a social identifier, as Western societies have done for the past centuries. Greek society did not distinguish sexual desire or behavior by the gender of the participants, but rather by the role that each participant played in the sex act, that of active penetrator or passive penetrated.[5] This active/passive polarization corresponded with dominant and submissive social roles: the active (penetrative) role was associated with masculinity, higher social status, and adulthood, while the passive role was associated with femininity, lower social status, and youth.

    We have today mixed,professional athelets competing in the games and their sexual preferences do not play a role.
    Therefore their is no need to hold separate “gay olympics”
    and/or “women only olympics” etc .etc.

    But if they gay community wants to separate itself ( after years of trying to be accepted and integrated)
    they are free to do so. In this they resemble very much
    certain political parties in hungary::.)))

  • Leto

    I think it’s well justified to hold such a sports event indeed if this kind of sexual perversion degrades a person’s physical abilities to compete with normal people.

    • justasking

      @Leto,

      Seriously…do you really believe what you wrote in that post?

      Oh, and please define ‘normal’ to me.

      • Leto

        I cannot. :) I cannot make an egg either but I can tell a rotten egg apart from good ones.

        • MagyarViking

          Leto says:
          February 1, 2012 at 6:50 pm

          I can tell a rotten egg apart from good ones

          Without cracking them open?
          Is that how you recognise Gay Men?

          • justasking

            @Viking,

            :D

  • Marc

    The event is the Eurogames, not “gay Olympics”. The Eurogames are open to everyone. This is not the case for the Olympics. Anyone reading this can compete in the Eurogames in Europe, or the Gay Games worldwide. How many people can compete in the Olympics? A few thousand among 7 billion people.

    The Eurogames are an embodiment of the Olympic principle of sport for all, and a message of solidarity and tolerance.

    • Andy

      No, sorry. It’s a homofest! We’re Hungarians, we love complaining about 1) the few principles that set us apart from Saudi Arabia and 2) lots of tourists spending a week in our country.

      Nemzetvezető Zázrivecz will set us straight!

  • Aristophanes

    Why was the previous comment doubled up? Are we the said Greeks and have to be “penetrated” twice?
    I know that we are being shafted into infinity at the moment lending money to the Olympians/Greeks which they will never, ever,be in a position to pay back!

    • MagyarViking

      Aristophanes says:
      February 1, 2012 at 11:12 am

      will never, ever,be in a position to pay back!

      Honey!
      I know many positions that you can pay me back in…

  • Chris Morgan

    Don’t worry Mr Vona … there’s only going to be 3600 Gay, Lesbian and Trans athletes plus their friends at this year’s Eurogames in Budapest. (Gay Olympics). You are the reason that we exist … we are mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters … we are lawyers, doctors, nurses, school teachers …. and yes we are also athletes !!!

    Chris Morgan, Gay Games Ambassador and World Champion Powerlifter.

    • Leto

      So do your sexual habits handicap you in weight-lifting so much that you are unable to compete with normal people in a fair way?

      • Paul

        “……unable to compete with normal people in a fair way?”
        Suggesting that gays are not normal?

        • Leto

          That’s not a suggestion, I think that’s a fact. (That is homosexuality belongs in the list of sexual perversions like bestiality, zoophilia, scatophilia, etc)
          But please let’s not distract from my question, okay?
          So he question once again: why are these homosexuals unable to compete with normal people in a fair way? (That’s about the only reason which would justify their segregation.)

          • Egy Szabad Ember

            Your argument is specious; you’re acting like homosexuals can’t compete in the Olympics, yet there are documented cases of admitted homosexuals competing in and winning gold medals in the Olympics. The games in Budapest are just some people with similar interests who’ve decided to get together and see who among them is the best at certain sports. Why does this bother you so much? Is someone going to kidnap you and force you to watch them do this? Don’t worry, I don’t think they are there to have sex; they are probably just going to partake in some sports. They might hug each other and slap each others’ behinds, but that happens among avowed heterosexual professional athletes; on television, even!

            Oh, yes, I forgot that you are a self-hating homosexual, and are probably worried that they will recognize your hidden yearnings and start pointing you out to your family as a homo; well, maybe it’s best that you just accepted it and moved on, then.

      • Marc

        Actually you have chosen a very bad person to make your nasty comment to, Leto. Chris Morgan is a world champion powerlifter in a mainstream federation, as well as being a champion at the Gay Games (and for someone who seems to be so knowledgeable about sport, you should learn the difference between powerlifting and Olympic weightlifting).

        Alas, poor Leto, your homophobic hatred is one reason LGBT people feel more comfortable at an event which is explicitly welcoming of all people, whatever their sexual orientation.

        I have no idea what yours is, but if you can hide your homophobia for a few days, you too are welcome to compete. I fear, however, that your intolerance and hatred would handicap you in competing with normal people who care more about sport for all than in judging who people love.

        • Leto

          Try making an attempt at answering my question.

          • Marc

            Um, your “question” is pointless, and answering the question of someone unable to read or unwilling to understand is a waste of time. You ask if Mr Morgan is unable to compete in “normal” competitions.

            Mr Morgan is a world champion in “normal” competitions.

            You are a homophobe. Try to change: it’s good for the soul.

          • Leto

            No, certainly it’s not a pointless question at all. I cannot help that you are unable to read and comprehend simple and straightforward sentences at least in English.
            If that helps then I’d gladly ask you the same in Hungarian, German, French, Russian or Esperanto and you are welcome to try to answer in any of these languages. Let me offer you some help in this regard: no way your calling me a homophobe would answer the crucial question I asked about this event.

          • SA aka Szabad Ember

            Does anyone else think that Marc hasn’t answered Leto’s question? I think he has; perhaps Leto doesn’t understand the answer, or phrased his question in a way that misses his intended meaning. Let’s give Leto some help, since it’s obviously really important to him that his question be answered to his satisfaction.

          • Chris Morgan

            Firstly, I’d like to say that when I orginally posted on this thread, I had no idea that it would generate such heated debate and in some cases such nasty and bigotted responses filled with hatred.

            Marc is indeed correct that I mainly compete in both mainstream competitions and once every four years in the Gay Games. My career started at the Gay Games in 1998 and I’ve gone on to win many big titles in mainstream competition (see biography below).

            The Gay Games is an open competition regardless of gender, sexuality and religious beliefs. At the time they were invented by Tom Waddell in 1982 there was a need for Gay athletes to be visable. Even today gay athletes are under represented in elite sport, mainly due to homophobia.

            Events such as the Gay Games, Out Games and Eurogames allow gay athletes to participate, compete and connect with other athletes from the world over. Someone from within the Gay sports movement once said to me ‘The Games are a vehicle for change and they should go where they are needed most’.

            This year it is Budapest, Hungary! … Mr Leto and Mr Vona are a clear example of the need in eastern europe for change.

            Even Mr leto would be welcome to compete in Eurogames in Budapest if he so wished. We don’t discriminate … unlike these homophobic postings that he has sadly chosen to air here in public.

            In regards to my career record that Mr Leto choses to question? I publish it below for anyone who doubts a gay man can compete in the most brutal strength sport on the planet.

            BIOGRAPHY

            ‘Chris Morgan has been one of the UK’s leading openly gay athletes since starting his Powerlifting career at the Gay Games in 1998′.

            ‘During his thirteen year career he has represented England and Great Britain a total of nineteen times, where he has taken a total of seventeen international medals. He has been World Champion four times, British Champion Six times and has won six Gay Games gold medals. In 2010 and 2011 he was the overall Best Lifter at the British Deadlift Championships and in 2011 was the overall Best Lifter at the European Deadlift Championships’.

            ‘Chris is constantly working for the organisation that gave him confidence to be an openly gay athlete, as a global ambassador. His role for the Federation of Gay Games is to inspire and motivate young gay athletes worldwide’.

      • MagyarViking

        Leto says:
        February 1, 2012 at 12:29 pm

        So do your sexual habits handicap you in weight-lifting so much that you are unable to compete with normal people in a fair way?

        Answered:
        Marc says:
        February 1, 2012 at 1:52 pm

        Chris Morgan is a world champion powerlifter in a mainstream federation
        ===

        Happy now?

        So you were wrong, as usual

        And he probably lifted heavier pieces of shit than you before breakfast

  • Tom

    Queer Olympics? Don’t stop the decadence-train there, how about Bestiality Olympics, heck lets have a Pedophile Olympics.

  • olga

    @ Chris Morgan

    Vona is an idiot and he would say anything that would appeal to his despicable followers.

    Having said that, why would you want to separate gay athletes from straight athletes? The whole point is that sexual preference is a non-issue and a private matter and the aim is inclusiveness Gay people do not have a handicap like the Downs Syndrome kids who compete in the Special Olympics because there is nothing special about gay people.

    However, if there are straight and gay athletes involved but the Gay Community is sponsoring the event, that sounds great.

    Tom – I heard from reliable sources that the Catholic Church is planning the Pedophile Olympics but keeps it under wrap for 8 years – exactly the length of time they covered up the scandal fearing bad publicity.

    BTW, the jails are full of macho Pedophiles who molest female children. I guess in your mind that’s less revolting than molesting male children

    • Leto

      “The whole point is that sexual preference is a non-issue and a private matter”

      Yeah, that would be “the whole point” indeed. But very clearly it is not. (For strong political reasons.)

    • Tom

      Well you guessed wrong but people making guesses based on absolutely nothing is not surprising in this day ad age.

  • olga

    @ Leto

    Gay people want equality and unless they are vocal and demand equality, they ain’t gonna get it.

    I remember there was a case, Loving vs. Virginia about a mixed race couple’s problems in Virginia because they were legally married in another State which was not allowed in Virginia and they were charged and it was a win for inter-racial marriage. Hard to believe this was sometime in the late 60′s

    So now it’s the gay people’s turn to fight for their rights and hopefully a few years from now, people will yawn at the topic of gay marriages like we yawn at racially mixed marriages – who cares? – Economy is something to get excited about but other people’s rights to marry ?

    BTW, people love talking about Homosexual pedophiles but personally I don’t see them any more disgusting then Heterosexual Pedophiles

    Maybe Vona can sit home during these events and translate the Bachmans’ theories of praying the gay away and sell the books – should be a best seller amongst the JOBBIK crowd

    Tom – I didn’t even have to look into my crystal ball to figure out the type of person you were judging by your vocabulary : (a) Queer Olympics (b) decadence-train (c) Bestiality Olympics, (d) Pedophile Olympics.

    You make a connection between homosexuality and pedophilia
    while conveniently forgetting about heterosexual perverts.
    Personally I would want someone’s you know what cut off if they ever molested my daughter or my son and I know that doesn’t sound very “Left Wing Liberal” but I do take a hiatus from the party line every now and then . Moreover, I know castration isn’t prevention for the future but I’d feel better :))

    • Leto

      @olga:

      I’m afraid the analogy to inter-racial marriage is absolutely wrong and mistaken.

      “conveniently forgetting about heterosexual perverts”

      I haven’t forgotten about them. I suppose heterosexual people can easily have those sexual perversions I mentioned, too.

      “people love talking about Homosexual pedophiles but personally I don’t see them any more disgusting then Heterosexual Pedophiles”

      It makes no sense at all to try to measure one’s disgust when it comes to pedophiles…

      • SA aka Szabad Ember

        @Leto

        “I’m afraid the analogy to inter-racial marriage is absolutely wrong and mistaken.”

        You make a statement, yet don’t bother to support it even with explanation. Why do you even bother? Do you think that you are such a well-respected expert in every field about which you write that everyone should just automatically take your word for it?

        I will do the same: Leto only stopped molesting his cat long enough to beat his mother. That statement is the equivalent to yours, that I quoted above. Making statements without supporting them at all is fun! Now I see why you do it!

  • wolfi

    Our resident atheist Fidesz kutya aka leto maybe should move to the Turkish part of Cyprus where its dreams come true:

    Quote from (funnily enough) Public Service Europe which had that comment about \Hyperbolic attacks on Hungary’s constitution\ that Orbán`s creature had to applaud so much …
    \In October last year, I wrote an article for PublicServiceEurope.com about how the north part of Cyprus was the last place in Europe where it was still illegal to be gay.\

    This was written by a female conservative member of the British parliament …

    • Leto

      “Last week, the law, a leftover from the island’s British colonial past, led to the arrest of Michalis Sarris, a former Greek Cypriot finance minister, on suspicion that he tried to have gay sex in the north. The law considers that a felony punishable by up to five years in prison.”

      :)

  • Bowen

    @Leto

    Leto, I’m a happily married man. But you know what, after reading your comments, I think I’m falling for you. I think it’s the quality of your mind that I find so attractive. Want to meet for a coffee? Or should I join the queue?

    • Leto

      “I’m a happily married man”

      Marriage has been defined as a life union of a man and a woman in Hungary, so no way your relationship with your male partner is a marriage and it will not be.
      However please do feel free join any long queue you’d find at any like-minded male, which I’m not, when you’d get bored. My recommendation for you would be a HIV positive queue, I’m sure you’ll easily find one.

      • Bowen

        @ Leto

        Sorry Leto, was that a ‘yes’ or a ‘no’ for that coffee? You’re just too subtle for me.

        • Leto

          I suggest you should take some lessons in reading and text comprehension from someone else.

  • olga

    @ Leto

    Once upon a time , (in the 60′s) inter-racial marriage was verboten , so my point was that what was forbidden just \yesterday\ is now completely acceptable and IMHO that will happen in all of North America and all of Europe prior to it happening in the Arab world and other far away places (my way of getting out of naming places where I don’t know the laws)

    re your comment: \haven’t forgotten about them. I suppose heterosexual people can easily have those sexual perversions I mentioned, too. \

    When heterosexual males are discussed, child molesters don’t automatically come up in the \conversation\ but mention homosexual males and you can bet that someone like Tom will immediately come up with the word \pedophile \ thus my objection to Tom’s posting was the automatic connection between homosexuality and pedophilia and that’s grossly unfair to the gay community.

    Are you familiar with the American sitcom \Modern Family\?
    It’s about a gay couple who have adopted a child or children, not sure. – I don’t really watch sitcoms but I know it’s a very popular show yet something tell me it’s not a big hit in Hungary but then again I don’t know if any American shows are.

    Back to Vona and his dumb remark :“God is my witness, it’s not some kind of homophobia but merely common decency that makes me say that this really is the end of the world.” – did he corner the market on hater speeches against J*ews and the Roma and needed to round out his resume perhaps? I know you are not a JOBBIK fan but I figured being a Hungarian living in BP you must know these things :))

    • kj

      @olga

      And look how sick and degenerate America is. At the rate America is going they will cease to exist as a nation 10 years from now. America will simply collapse from social and economic pressures.

  • Leto

    @olga:

    Vona, like his direct competitors (Mesterházy and now Mr. Jávor of LMP) are fighting for attention of the public. He’s also getting desperate trying to sell his political wares but the situation doesn’t change much. So he says bombastic things like this. A quite from MSZP over this weekend, when Vona said this, they’d think “a left wing coalition could gather an absolute, two-third majority in 2014″ (just a few days after they were whining about that the new election law would make impossible to change the government+). So what’s the difference? :)

  • DoubleH63

    @MagyarViking

    “Honey!
    I know many positions that you can pay me back in…”

    Viking, I hope your wife does not know the proposition you are making to this bearded guy. :)

  • DoubleH63

    @Leto

    “Vona, like his direct competitors (Mesterházy and now Mr. Jávor of LMP) are fighting for attention of the public.”

    Leto, this joke about fags was said in front of Jobbik members/supporters. Great place to fight for the attention of the general public.

    “He’s also getting desperate trying to sell his political wares but the situation doesn’t change much.”

    You think? In my opinion Fidesz should be the one desperately trying to sell their policies. They are the one keep losing voter support, not Jobbik. By 2014 lets see where we stand.

    The funny thing is, that you trying to suck up to Blond olga on this issue, when we all know your stance on gays and probably yourself laughed at the joke [which is not quoted by Erik; but I am sure you read the article of frissmeleg.hu or maybe even watched the whole video of Vona’s speech.

    • Leto

      “Great place to fight for the attention of the general public.”

      Yep. There were journalists around, that’s why we are discussing this.

      “that you trying to suck up to Blond olga on this issue”

      The common Hungarian saying applies here: “Mindenki magából indul ki” (everybody takes himself as a starting point) I myself don’t try to “suck up” to anyone.

  • DoubleH63

    @olga

    “did he [Vona] corner the market on hater speeches against J*ews and the Roma and needed to round out his resume perhaps?

    olga, maybe you should come up with some quotes from these ‘hater speeches’ once in a while against these ethnic groups from the ‘Devil # (what?), lets say 6, instead of just spewing your own hate against him and Jobbik

    You keep babbling about your experiences with screwed up lives of people in cozy Canada regarding Gypsies in Hungary; the homo lifestyle acceptance in your country, or marriages between the races there.
    Let me tell you, in Hungary people think differently about all these. The majority of them don’t like what the Gypsies do; the majority does not approve of gays; the majority of them would not jump up-and down seeing their son or daughter getting involved with a person from ‘Fekete Pákó’, Guido (Mafia) Kolompár or Cohn’s races. So, you can stop comparing the two. [And not all the people who think this way are member of the ‘evil’ Jobbik.]

  • DoubleH63

    @Leto

    “I myself don’t try to “suck up” to anyone.”

    Sure, I believe that, after all the gay bashing you done on this site.

    • Leto

      @DoubleH63:

      No, I don’t consider that “gay bashing” at all. You know I wouldn’t give a s..t about this whole issue if the postcommie/’dopey liberal’ lot didn’t turn the cause of these miserables having this particular sexual perversion into a major political weapon.

      • MagyarViking

        Leto says:
        February 2, 2012 at 11:27 am

        a major political weapon

        written by the xenophobic nutter who would like to have same-sex couples kissing each other in public be arrested
        And that has nothing to do with politics…

  • Jasmine

    “kissing each other in public”
    I hope they wouldn’t do it whilst I’m taking lunch.
    And that goes for heterosexuals,cats, dogs, and baboons, too!
    Some people have such a vivid imagination it is hard to think what they might dream up next.
    A Gay Olympic Games for an assortment of persons not otherwise listed in Orban’s new constitution?

  • Pete UK

    I really can’t wait to spend time in Hungary this June.

    If this website is anything to go by, everyone seems really nice :(

    On a more serious note, I don’t know why everyone is so upset about the event. 3,000 people spending a lot of money in the country seems like something to be happy about right now.

    • Leto

      Believe me this event is not welcome at all in Hungary by most people. Hopefully it will be cancelled in the end.

      • Szabad Ember

        @Leto

        Why should anyone believe you? What polls do you cite? I’ve read polls that say most people in Hungary have no problem with gay people.

        @Pete UK

        Don’t worry, this site is not a good indication of the average Hungarian, just as it is not a good indication of the average Canadian. It might be a good indication of the average Swede, though.

        • Leto

          @SE:

          That really depends on what \having no problem with gay people\ means… I think apart from certain circles in the inner districts of Budapest, generally people in Hungary have a healthy aversion towards this kind of sexual perversion, too. I come from a middle-sized city, my relatives live there and nearby, and I can tell you for a fact that being a fag there means being a social outcast. Hungarian societity isn’t so decadent at all like you radical leftlibs/postcommies would want to see.

          • Szabad Ember

            @Leto

            This is typical of self-aggrandizing blowhards such as yourself. You think that since everyone you talk to agrees with you, that must be how everyone thinks.

            According to the European Social Survey of 2003, 62.3% of Hungarians felt that the lives of homosexuals should not be regulated. That poll was taken a while ago, but since this isn’t a very important topic to me, I don’t have time to dig up something more recent. I’m sure that number has come down, but I doubt that it has changed so drastically. Since you care so much about the topic, why don’t you find a more recent poll to refute my opinion? Oh, right, you don’t like to support your statements with anything except bombast and conjecture.

          • Leto

            I’m BLAH.

          • Szabad Ember

            @Leto

            Not much of an insult; I must be getting through to you!

          • Leto

            No, you aren’t.

  • olga

    @ Leto

    As far as I know, “homosexuality” is no longer considered a perversion and “autism” is not blamed on Mothers not properly bonding with their children. Times have changed

    I believe that people don’t choose to be homosexual any more than they choose their heights, color of hair etc.

    In fact why would anyone in their right mind choose a sexual orientation that would cause so much hate and intolerance?

    Someone asked me how I would feel if I found out my son was gay and the truth is I would probably be devastated but not because of the way he was born, but because I would know the horrible prejudice and hate that would be directed against him. ( Ditto for my daughter being a Lesbian although society seems to be less harsh on females)

    • Leto

      @olga:

      It depends on by whom it’s not considered so. This view might have changed since earlier times but that doesn’t mean this is actually so (and, of course, it doesn’t prove the opposite view either).

      “I believe that people don’t choose to be homosexual any more than they choose their heights, color of hair etc. ”

      It wasn’t proven convincingly at all that homosexuality is determined by genes. (A typical ‘argument’ is the case bonobo apes.. which is just rubbish from this point of view since apes are social beings just like us, humans.) I think homosexuality is socially acquired behaviour (though not necessarily by the affected individual’s choice) and it’s a disfunctional thing like, say, bestiality. Why would anyone in their right mind choose a sexual orientation like that?

      • Szabad Ember

        @Leto

        You wrote: “Why would anyone in their right mind choose a sexual orientation like that?” As usual, you are not being clear. Does that mean that you agree that people can’t chose their sexual orientation, or are you saying that everyone who is homosexual is not in their right mind? That second possibility is different than saying that they have a”disfunction”; rather, it means that they are insane. You must be insane if you are trying to say that everyone who feels attraction to people of the same gender as them is not “in their right mind”. Most of the avowed homosexuals I’ve met are much more sane than you appear to be, and clearer and more logical, to boot.

        • Leto

          @SzE
          As usual, you’re struggling with text comprehension. I responded to Olga’s post and it’s straightforward and easy to understand what I meant. That’s also trivial why I repeated *her* rhetorical question and what it applies to.
          I suggest you should stick to spouting your postcommie/left-lib unmitigated parcel of lies regardless of discussions like this.

          • Szabad Ember

            If it’s so easy and straightforward, why not clarify it for me? Tell me which statement you are trying to make. Why don’t you ever answer questions posed to you? You must be afraid of sounding even more stupid; good move on your part, to be vague enough that some might not spot your contradictions.

            You call me a liar, yet never give any examples of when I have lied. Just calling me one does not make me one, no matter how much you want it to.

          • Leto

            ‘cos I’m bored with you and I am not interested in giving free text comprehension class to you.

          • Szabad Ember

            @Leto

            In order to maintain what shred of credibility you might have on this site, you should answer questions like this, since you made a claim and didn’t back it up, even after being challenged. It sounds like you don’t have an answer to my question if you don’t answer it.

            If you’re so “bored” with me, why do you keep responding to me? Why not just ignore me? The obvious answer is: you respond because you don’t want my challenge to go unanswered, yet you don’t actually have an answer, so you resort to this comment. How pathetic!

            The best response (for you to save face) is no response, since then at least you can pretend that you are truly bored with me, or didn’t see my post, or are having computer problems, or something. What you wrote just reinforces that you have no reasonable response. Luckily for me, you will probably never learn.

          • Leto

            @SzE:

            “Why not just ignore me?”

            There’s only one thing which grants my ignoring someone. The Swedish moron on this site has earned that priviledge. You haven’t.

          • Szabad Ember

            @Leto

            Do you ever act in a logical way?

            You said you were “bored” with me, which means that you don’t like responding to me, yet you haven’t stopped responding to me (except when I ask you questions which require thought and logic, which you dodge). You contradict yourself almost every time you touch a keyboard!

            Also, you misunderstood me. I didn’t ask you to ignore me, I merely wondered why you don’t. I hope you keep responding to everything I write here, since it keeps exposing you for the lying, obtuse hypocrite that you are.

          • Leto

            My being bored with you doesn’t mean that I wouldn’t respond to you.
            I means I won’t bother anymore to address your tirade in details and I’ll simply pick something when I feel like responding. In order to decrease the number of these useless spat exchanges, for a start, I suggest you should stop addressing me all the time

          • SE aka Szabad Ember

            @Leto

            I’ll stop addressing you when you stop lying, being hypocritical, and mocking people who actually support their assertions.

            You don’t address my questions because you can’t without showing your lack of knowledge and logic, simple as that. If that weren’t true, then why don’t you ever do it? Oh, yeah, because you’re “bored” with me, yet you still respond when you “feel like” it. You have no idea how lame that sounds? You should show it to someone who has a grasp on reality; they’ll see it right away.

  • Jasmine

    Hungary at the moment is insulated with snow. It is also insular in its outlook as to doing business with the rest of the world.
    The Gay Olympics will bring much needed revenue to Budapest and struggling businesses.
    Also, if it is successful, perhaps they can stage the event every year or bi-annually?
    Every human being has a conscience and should be guided by that inner voice but, if it is at the expense of denying others their sexual freedom, then they should think again because homosexuality is a fact of life and time everybody acknowledged it.Even those drag queens still hiding in the closet!

  • olga

    @ Leto

    There are probably thousand of scholarly articles and debates about nature vs. nurture when it comes to homosexuality and while I am not familiar with them I had a very close gay friend who died of AIDS and also worked with several gay people of both genders.

    Once you get to know people and care about them, you don’t think of them as “straight or gay” , you think of them as your friends or co-workers. Moreover a heterosexual male who sleeps around is considered Mr. Macho while a gay male would be a “pervert” – so much for society’s double standards.

    Since the debate about nature vs nurture has never been settled regarding homosexuality, even if I didn’t have gay friends I would simply not care about other people’s sexual orientation because it does not concern me in fact I am more concerned about disgusting adult males freely
    and legally molesting children of both genders in Thailand. (I thought of that because I know someone who just came back from there and her trip was ruined by the sight of these perverts)

    On another note, please direct me to a scholarly article that “debates” the normalcy of bestiality; I have never studied the subject nor am I going to look into it, but I will take a guess that it’s considered a mental disorder while homosexuality is not.

    • Leto

      @olga:

      “it’s considered a mental disorder while homosexuality is not.”

      Considered by whom? Anyway,you cannot argue that homosexuality is a functional thing from the viewpoint of nature. Bestiality was just an example, it doesn’t matter which abnormality one picks for the sake of argument. Feel free to pick another sexual perversion. :-)

      “I would simply not care about other people’s sexual orientation because it does not concern me in fact I am more concerned about disgusting adult males freely
      and legally molesting children of both genders in Thailand”

      Correct and I agree. Like I wrote several times, I wouldn’t care either if the issue of this sexual perversion wasn’t such a strong political agenda for the left-libs.
      I understand where you’re coming from, your political background, etc. so I think we can leave this topic here since I doubt there’d be more both of us could say about this topic now.

      • SE aka Szabad Ember

        @Leto

        So now you think you’re an expert on nature! When do you have time to sleep, after all the time you spend writing scientific papers?

        If you actually had done any research on the subject, you’d know that humans are a social species, and rely on all sorts of different types of people to function well. In many aboriginal tribes, effeminate males are considered to be very helpful in performing necessary tasks within the group. There are plenty of heterosexual males to propagate the species, since homosexuals are never more than a small percentage of the group. If they were not a “functional thing from the viewpoint of nature” they would’ve been weeded out long ago.

        One function they could perform in our modern society is to take care of orphaned children, or help take care of their relatives’ children, just as people who are not able to have children do. Are you saying that infertile couples are not worth keeping alive, or that they are also equivalent to pedophiles? Are you saying that people who choose not to have children should be forced to? If not, then what, exactly, is your problem with homosexuals?

        It’s still clear to me that the only reason you would hate them so much is that you are one yourself, but can’t come to grips with the fact. They don’t do any more to hurt others than anyone else in society, so this hatred you feel has nothing to do with your supposed (but obviously fake) love for your country, and everything to do with some personal vendetta against innocent people.

      • Pete H.

        “Anyway,you cannot argue that homosexuality is a functional thing from the viewpoint of nature.”

        Yes, you can. It is common in both the human primate and non-human primates and could possibly have several adaptive functions.

        -http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=adaptive%20value%20of%20homosexuality&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CEkQFjAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fportfolio.du.edu%2Fportfolio%2Fgetportfoliofile%3Fuid%3D98281&ei=IfUvT4upFaX10gGfjInqCg&usg=AFQjCNEAXR-_k-psvyM4_mrf0jMDa0CHLg

  • olga

    @ Leto

    Yes, I think we exhausted the subject and I sadly have to accept the fact that you will not be present at BP’s Gay Pride Parade to show your support the way our Chief of Police did in 2005

    Copied: “In the 2005 parade, newly appointed Toronto police chief Bill Blair became the first chief of police in the city’s history to personally take part in the parade. He marched alongside politicians of all parties, including several federal and provincial cabinet ministers and Mayor David Miller.”

    I thought I was close convincing you but I am giving up :))

    • Leto

      Good. :)

      • Bowen

        I haven’t read them, but I’m sure Leto makes a number of very worthwhile and interesting points in this thread on the subject of natural and normal sexual practices.

        Let us simply respect him, and offer our congratulations to the lucky woman who is his wife (I would be disappointed if Leto encouraged sexual practises outside of marriage – or indeed *any* sexual practices or thoughts at all – this would not be Christian, and therefore, not Hungarian).

        If Leto has any useful tips on how to love and honour a woman, then I’m sure we’d all be grateful.

        • Leto

          “I haven’t read them, but I’m sure Leto makes a number of very worthwhile and interesting points in this thread ”

          If you didn’t read my posts then don’t bother commenting on them.

          “this would not be Christian, and therefore, not Hungarian”

          Where did you read this ‘brilliant’ line of reasoning? FYI, I’m an atheist.

          • Bowen

            Thank you for clarifying that Leto. So, I guess that means you didn’t get married in a church (in front of God). I see.

          • Leto

            What does this have to do with this topic or with you at all? Did I ask personal questions from you?

          • MagyarViking

            Bowen says:
            February 6, 2012 at 7:53 pm

            I guess that means you didn’t get married in a church (in front of God)

            Good catch!

  • Bowen

    Hmm. I didn’t ask Leto any personal questions, yet he seems upset. Perhaps it would be better to respect him as a fellow human being and not make any comments about his personal life or preferences. These are sentiments I am sure that Leto would share.

    • Leto

      I’m not upset. I simply asked what this topic has to do with that if I got married in church and why, on what basis, you ask personal questions from me when I didn’t do so regarding you.

      • Bowen

        I’m very glad that you are not upset Leto. Also, as you can see, if you just look up, I didn’t ask you any personal questions. So, don’t worry.

        It seems that you want to keep your personal life private, and that’s absolutely fine. You probably have lots of things concerning your romantic and sexual life which you’d prefer to keep secret. And that’s understandable. Just rest assured that no-one’s judging you, whatever you get up to behind closed doors.

        • Leto

          “I guess that means you didn’t get married in a church (in front of God)”

          Oh, perhaps technically this wasn’t a question indeed. In practice it was and it was a personal one.

          On the other hand now I started pondering if the fact you’re such a fishy person is related to that you’re a fag or to that you’re a ultra left-lib. There seems to be a clear pattern here for this, I think.

  • DoubleH63

    @Marc

    “Anyone reading this can compete in the Eurogames in Europe, or the Gay Games worldwide. How many people can compete in the Olympics? A few thousand among 7 billion people.”

    Marc’s vision: 7 billion fags gyrating together!

  • DoubleH63

    @Chris Morgan

    “Mr Vona [...]You are the reason that we exist”

    Sure Mr. Morgan. He is to be blamed for your fucking perversion. Let’s see what else can we pile on…? Too much snow in Hungary these days? Why not? I am sure it’s his fault – after all he is evil.

  • Chris Morgan

    You misunderstand …..

    I don’t blame Mr Vona for me being gay ……

    It’s bigotted, homophobic people like Mr. Vona and yourself that are the reason that gay, lesbian, and transgender people have stand up for their rights and be strong.

    This is my posting from yesterday that has appeared out of sequence for some reason ……..

    Firstly, I’d like to say that when I orginally posted on this thread, I had no idea that it would generate such heated debate and in some cases such nasty and bigotted responses filled with hatred.

    Marc is indeed correct that I mainly compete in both mainstream competitions and once every four years in the Gay Games. My career started at the Gay Games in 1998 and I’ve gone on to win many big titles in mainstream competition (see biography below).

    The Gay Games is an open competition regardless of gender, sexuality and religious beliefs. At the time they were invented by Tom Waddell in 1982 there was a need for Gay athletes to be visable. Even today gay athletes are under represented in elite sport, mainly due to homophobia.

    Events such as the Gay Games, Out Games and Eurogames allow gay athletes to participate, compete and connect with other athletes from the world over. Someone from within the Gay sports movement once said to me ‘The Games are a vehicle for change and they should go where they are needed most’.

    This year it is Budapest, Hungary! … Mr Leto and Mr Vona are a clear example of the need in eastern europe for change.

    Even Mr leto would be welcome to compete in Eurogames in Budapest if he so wished. We don’t discriminate … unlike these homophobic postings that he has sadly chosen to air here in public.

    In regards to my career record that Mr Leto choses to question? I publish it below for anyone who doubts a gay man can compete in the most brutal strength sport on the planet.

    BIOGRAPHY

    ‘Chris Morgan has been one of the UK’s leading openly gay athletes since starting his Powerlifting career at the Gay Games in 1998′.

    ‘During his thirteen year career he has represented England and Great Britain a total of nineteen times, where he has taken a total of seventeen international medals. He has been World Champion four times, British Champion Six times and has won six Gay Games gold medals. In 2010 and 2011 he was the overall Best Lifter at the British Deadlift Championships and in 2011 was the overall Best Lifter at the European Deadlift Championships’.

    ‘Chris is constantly working for the organisation that gave him confidence to be an openly gay athlete, as a global ambassador. His role for the Federation of Gay Games is to inspire and motivate young gay athletes worldwide’.

    • Leto

      You’d rather try to answer my questions: is your being a homosexual handicaps you so much that you have to compete separately like the disabled? And what does your particular sexual perversion has to do with your sports records?

      • Bowen

        Leto will be competing this year in the ‘Sad Lonely Troll in a Room Games’. It’s taking place in his bedroom, and it is anticipated that he will win all the medals, including ‘Best Bigot’, and ‘Person Most Likely to Try and Get Attention By Answering this Comment with Even More Moronic Drivel’.

        • Leto

          Instead of your futile salvos, you’re more than welcome to try to answer these crucial questions, too.
          I haven’t seen any attempts yet so far at answering them.

      • Chris Morgan

        Leto, I answered your questions already on the 1st Feb.

        I only compete in Gay Games once every four years. Mainly I compete in mainstream competitions.

        Do you realise that there are many different multi sport events for different groups of people in scoiety?

        For example, the british commonwealth games, the pan america games, the police and fire fighters games, milatary world games, world games (for non olympic sports), Asiad (Asian Games).

        I could list many, many more !

        Do you question any of these people for competing in seperate categories or groups?

        The way you refer to disabled people in your posting is as if they are also unworthy of having their own para olympics.

        Shame on you !

        • Leto

          @Chris Morgan:

          No, I doubt very much you have answered them. Why do you think your bedroom customs should be some kind of criteria for organizing a sports event? Do you think sheep-shaggers should have their own olympics, too?

          • Szabad Ember

            @Leto

            No, Leto, I don’t think you should have your own Olympics. Don’t worry, I won’t tell your cat that you’re cheating on him with sheep.

        • Leto

          PS: No, on the contrary, it’s very understable why disabled people would have their own paraolympics because they are physically handicapped. Are you physically handicapped, too, because of your sexual taste? Or perhaps do you admit there’s a political agenda here instead of sports?

          • Chris Morgan

            ‘Or perhaps do you admit there’s a political agenda here instead of sports?’

            This forum is politics.hu after all!

            I answered your questions and I must now focus on the forthcoming British Championships and will not contribute again to this forum.

            For those who live in Budapest, or plan to visit for Eurogames I trust that you will have a fabulous experience and meet many interesting people.

            I’ve enjoyed hospitality in many Eastern European countires through powerlifting and know that Hungary, Budapest and the majority of it’s people will be perfect hosts for this event!

        • Curious George

          As Chris Morgan has already mentioned, different groups of people in a global society organize sporting events. Gays are a part of European (& global) society. There’s nothing wrong in them organizing their own event, especially since it is an inclusive, non-violent event. Nothing to do with handicaps or sexual preferences, or politics – just social awareness of a segment of society.

          • Leto

            The very first attempt to answer my questions. Thanks, George, for that.

            So your answer is “social awareness”. That is pushing a particular political agenda, nothing else. Thanks, that was my point.

          • Curious George

            If teachers, policemen & nurses organize their own games in the spirit of friendly competition, what is the political agenda? Seems more like a social occasion for themselves, their family, and friends to recognize their contribution and place in society.
            There are more effective ways than organizing friendly games, if it was to push a political agenda.

  • DoubleH63

    @Chris Morgan

    “It’s bigotted, homophobic people like Mr. Vona and yourself”

    Personally I don’t care if people are gay or whatever, as long as they don’t shove their agenda in my face. When they do, I will state my opinion. If that makes me bigoted and homophobic – fine.

    “The Gay Games is an open competition regardless of gender, sexuality and religious beliefs.”

    So are the regular competitions.

    “there was a need for Gay athletes to be visable.”

    Why? Are they so special? [Just imagine if all these gay athletes were also J*ws at the same time – that would make them some kind of übermench.]

    “Even today gay athletes are under represented in elite sport, mainly due to homophobia.”

    Now, that’s a very “believable” lie.

    “The Games are a vehicle for change”

    No political agenda whatsoever, just some good ol’ gay times, right?

    “Mr Leto and Mr Vona are a clear example of the need in eastern europe for change.”

    Still no agenda, eh? It’s all about just some happy times and connection with others, right?
    Clearly, most people here don’t care for that change. But by God, we will shove it down their throats anyway, just as we do with the new World religion of Holocaustianity.

    “We don’t discriminate”

    Right. I did not know that the adjectives bigoted and homophobic were just endearing names for us.

  • Longstop

    Pete.H is the only Am/Hungarian Hammer-throwing hermaphrodite in the games and therefore we are assured of a gold medal. Orban Viktor will be over the moon with joy.
    BTW.HH “as long as they don’t shove their agenda in my face.” Be careful it is only their “agenda” and not something else!

    • Pete H.

      Longstop, out of all the other others comments, I make one comment on this thread and you fixate on me? If I was gay I would be flattered. Sorry, you have the wrong impression of me and I can’t fulfill your fantasy about me. And why the thoughts about gays shoving things in your face? Their -penis is not first thing that comes to my mind when I see a gay man.

  • Save our civilization!

    Why is it that the political homosexual has to push his lifestyle onto the general population including our children?

    On average because of their perverted lifestyle they live 20 years shorter than the rest of society. (See the article below) No wonder the western civilization is in decline!

    It is a lifestyle that should be mourned not celebrated.
    If you truly care about someone in the gay lifestyle you can help him change his ways. Please click onto the following link.

    loveoneouthttp://exodusinternational.org/love-won-out/

    The 20 year shorter lifespan article

    Dr. Paul Cameron, President of Family Research Institute, a Colorado-based think tank, announced today that a new study on the life span of homosexuals will appear in a 2005 issue of the refereed scientific journal Psychological Reports (Volume 96: pp. 693-697).

    This study provides additional evidence that the practice of homosexuality, with its attendant lifestyle, shortens the life of practitioners by about 20 years.

    “Obituaries have indicated that gays seldom reach old age,” Cameron said. “Indeed, gay obituaries suggest that engaging in homosexuality costs participants between 15 to 25 years of life, suggesting that homosexuality is more dangerous than smoking or being fat.

    “Over 10,000 gay obituaries have been collected from homosexual publications. Are the obituaries listed in the gay press representative of gay deaths in general?” Cameron asks.

    A new study that compared them with Centers for Disease Control data indicates they are.

    The Washington Blade, a homosexual newspaper, has been the major homosexual paper used to track homosexual obituaries. So its obituaries for death due to AIDS were compared to AIDS deaths among males who had sex with males from the CDC for 1994 through 2000. Surprisingly, there was almost perfect correspondence. The effects of the new drug cocktails for AIDS were evident in both datasets. In 1994 the CDC put the average age of death by AIDS for homosexuals at 39, the Blade at 40. By 2000, the CDC reported the median age of death at 43 and the Blade at 42. Similar correspondences were noted for the 25th and 75th centiles of deaths.

    The CDC reported that 9% of heterosexuals who died of AIDS were at least 65 years of age. But less than 4% of homosexuals and IV drug abusers who died of AIDS reached 65.

    “These findings add substantial support to our previous findings,” said Cameron, who headed the study. “While no one has all the facts on this issue, the CDC data is about as good as it gets. These data indicate that considerable progress in medically combating HIV is being made – its even affecting deaths from other medical causes. Right now, the median age of death for gays in the obituaries is running near 60 – about tied with the median age of death for lesbians. Of course, the median age of death for adults is about 80 – so the 20 year hit for engaging in homosexuality that we reported 15 years ago continues to hold.”

    The new study “Gay obituaries closely track officially reported deaths from AIDS” can be read in the scientific journal, Psychological Reports (2005;96:693-697).

    ——————————————————————————–

    • MagyarViking

      Save our civilization! says:
      February 9, 2012 at 7:13 am

      On average because of their perverted lifestyle they live 20 years shorter than the rest of society

      OK, be happy then and do not bother, then you just *know* you will survive your gay neighbour with an average 20 years

    • Anonymous

      “Why is it that the political homosexual has to push his lifestyle onto the general population including our children?”…are they?

      “On average because of their perverted lifestyle they live 20 years shorter than the rest of society” You do not seem the type who really cares, do you?

      You call yourself, save our civilization. Start by looking in the mirror. Intolerance is a sign of being uncivilized. In my country gays are respected. The minister of Finance…second most important job within the country…is gay. He does his work very well.
      “No wonder the western civilization is in decline!”I see no decline at all. There are ups and downs…that is all.
      You have a problem….the rest are on average doing fine.

  • Paul

    Ooops..did it again. Sorry, it was me who posted this comment above.

  • Save our civilization!

    Yes they do! Children as young as grade 1 are being taught that there is 5 genders! Is that the state’s aim to confuse these young minds? I suppose that reading,writing and arthimetic is not such a priority anymore!

    Everyone who lives this destructive lifestyle knows deep down inside that it is unnatural way to live. For all here who are so called “enlightened” don’t be so selfish. Let people who are struggling in the gay lifestyle know that there is another option. For this they will be truly grateful.(see link below)

    loveoneouthttp://exodusinternational.org/love-won-out/

    • MagyarViking

      So good then, that homosexual Catholics can team up and live out their sexual fantasies in real life in those one-sex monasteries

      It is a lot of screwing going around there
      For some reason one-sex clergy and Christ seem to go ‘well’ together

  • Longstop

    PeteH. I did not say you were “gay” and I did not “fixate” on you as such or use double entendre to make light of the serious business of the ‘gay’ Olympic games to be held in Budapest in June.
    I do apologize although I think you have taken me too literally and seriously as opposed to the clown (at times)
    I really am.
    I’m sure you and others will enjoy the sport when you visit Budapest. A truly beautiful city in the heart of Europe. Csokolom!

  • Paul

    And???? This part?
    “The minister of Finance…second most important job within the country…is gay. He does his work very well.”
    Some comment please.

    “Everyone who lives this destructive lifestyle knows deep down inside that it is unnatural way to live.”
    Are you an alien? ….You think so…the overall majority do not agree though…we have gay marriages everywhere within the EU.

    • Leto

      “the overall majority do not agree though”

      No, in fact your problem is the overall majority is actually not with you on this, no matter how hard your political side tries to push this agenda. People do have a perfectly natural aversion. Having lived in the UK, I learned that people, both working-class and middle-class people I met, don’t really buy the PC crap though they are a lot, lot more careful about revealing their antipathy towards this kind of pervert and destructive lifestyles than in Hungary. The big difference I saw was that you need a few hours to get a sincere opinion from someone on such issues in Hungary and you need a few months in the UK.

      “we have gay marriages everywhere within the EU.”

      That’s an outright lie. The Polish have also defined marriage in their constitution in the natural way: a life union of a man and a woman.

  • Save our civilization!

    Magyar Viking thanks for inspiring me. You made a very good point how much more perverted the homosexual is compared to the rest of society. They just make up about 5 % of the population, but those who infiltrated the Church are responsible for over 90 % of the sex scandals.

    That is why the Vatican is now filtering out those with gay tendencies because of the horrific destruction they have done to our society.

    Paul, I think you too are drinking the same fruity kool-aid that Magyar Viking is! Hopefully some day you will wake up. You are both like sheep following what the mass media tells you.

    About your finance minister good for him that he can do his job well. That doesn’t mean that he is right. For instance, Stalin and Hitler who were both leaders of their nations.They were very talented public speakers but both were terribly wrong.

    • MagyarViking

      Save our civilization! says:
      February 10, 2012 at 6:18 am

      those who infiltrated the Church are responsible for over 90 % of the sex scandals.

      That is why the Vatican is now filtering out those with gay tendencies because of the horrific destruction they have done to our society

      So after 2 000 years the Vatican has finally realised that same-sex paedophilia is “a problem”?

      But, according to your statement, different-sex paedophilia is still not “a problem”…

    • Paul

      @Save our civilization
      Making a comparison…subtle connection…hint…with our finance minister (I vote a different party by the way…will defend him any time though) and Stalin or Hitler is way out of line and an insult. I will not talk to you any more. You dropped over the edge of civilization…you can not be taken serious any more.

  • Save our civilization!

    Any paedophilia is wrong but 5% causing over 90% of the abuse is extreme don’t you think? There is a massive problem in that community. Would you want them to babysit your children? Look at the facts Magyar Viking, be a man, and have some character!

    If anyone on this site is struggling with homosexual tendencies there is some real help. Many people have turned their life around and left this lifestyle. Just click onto the following website.

    loveoneouthttp://exodusinternational.org/love-won-out/

    • http://www.allhungary.hu Erik D’Amato

      90% of paedophila caused by homosexuals? Bull.

  • justasking

    Homosexuality and pedophilia are both sexual preferences…meaning, sexual desire towards same sex VS sexual desire towards prepubescent children….one has nothing to do with the other.

    Those who try and make such a connection, would be the ones who need therapy.

    Why is this thread still going?

  • wolfi

    Please be aware that the so-called “Family Research Institute” is one of the loonie “hate groups” of the US-extreme right, the “information” they dissipate is complete nonsense. From wiki:
    “The American Psychological Association (APA) dropped Cameron from its membership on December 2, 1983 for a violation of the Preamble to the Ethical Principles of Psychologists”

    It’s a bit strange that these loonies have targeted pol.hu – maybe leto showed them the way ?

    For someone who “is not interested in gays” he has contributed an awful lot of comments to this thread, I wonder why ?

    • justasking

      @Wolfi,

      “For someone who “is not interested in gays” he has contributed an awful lot of comments to this thread, I wonder why ?”

      Ahhh, maybe that’s the idea of this site…sharing of views…liked or lumped?

      What’s your motive for posting on poli.hu?

    • Leto

      “I wonder why”

      For political reasons. This is politics.hu

      Surprise, surprise.

  • true democracy

    Why is it that the loonie left always fail
    to look at the facts? Many homosexuals have
    left the lifestyle and have even have families
    of their own and living fulfilled lives.
    That should be celebrated. What is sad
    is that these people that went public who turned
    their lives around are being viciously threatened by their former community. Why doesn’t the mainstTream media pickup on that story?

  • true democracy

    Wolfi, the family research institute is nonsense
    to you because you are as they say a” political homosexual”.

    I always thought that those on the
    left are suppose to have compassion for their
    fellow man. If you knew of a homosexual, perhaps even a family member struggling in that lifestyle would you help them out and let them know that others left the lifestyle sucessfully?Or perhaps it is very sad to say that some people here care more about the gay flamboyant culture than peoples’ lives.

  • DoubleH63

    @Save our civilization!

    You do make some good points [this perverted lifestyle should be mourned and not celebrated; the ‘over-pol.correct’ world should stop telling children how great it is to have two daddies or two mommies] but if you are pushing your Christian propaganda so hard, at least your posted link should be accessible without a need to delete, cut and other tricks to see (in it’s present form it does not work).
    If you don’t like fags so much, their 20 years shorter lifespan should make you happy. [BTW, if they take that chance with their lifestyle – it’s their right.]
    I have to agree with Erik – your comment about pedophilia and homosexuals is a big fucking lie.

  • DoubleH63

    @Paul

    “Intolerance is a sign of being uncivilized.”

    Can you write some more stupid sentences like that?
    I don’t tolerate Gipsy (or any other) crime – I am uncivilized.
    You don’t tolerate Jobbik – you are the most civilized in the world.
    [De nagy az Isten állatkertje!]
    Have someone translate that for you ‘civilized one’; I know you don’t have a clue, what I just wrote in Hungarian.

    “In my country gays are respected. The minister of Finance…second most important job within the country…is gay. He does his work very well.”

    Without knowing the country, it’s pretty hard to tell how well he is doing his job.
    [Or in reality maybe he is a she? The only person I know of with preferences like that and being a Finance Minister is Australia and she is not a he.]

  • olga

    @ Save our civilization

    98.5% of people who post as \Save our Civilization\ haven’t got a clue about pedophilia or the profile of a sexual predetor of children

    Here are some stats from the Canadian Justice Department:

    \Gender of Child Sexual Abuse Victims\

    Both police-reported data and the CIS findings indicate that the majority of victims of child sexual abuse are young females. In 2002, 81% of the victims of family-related sexual assaults reported to a subset of police departments were girls.[18] The rate of reported family-related sexual assault for young females was nearly four times higher than that of males.[19] Similarly, according to the CIS, girls were the victims in 69% and boys in 31% of substantiated sexual abuse cases.[20] \

    So you don’t know wtf you are talking about and fyi not all of the Priests’ victims were male (the majority were) so good to know that some of those Priest were \normal\ because they only molested female children.

    About male baby-sitters – Call me paranoid because it is, or unfair because it is, but I never had one. Being in the \Prevention of Child Abuse Business\ and having to read gory details of the priest scandals makes one crazy and think that pedophiles are lurking on every corner but not once did I think of the \sexual preferences\ of these perverts as straight or gay.

    Note that statistically heterosexual perverts within the family and friends category are the biggest threat to kids
    but don’t let that keep you from making up your own statistics to further your anti-gay agenda.

  • true democracy

    It is very sad that that the gay population have been lied to for so long and as a result lives 20
    years less than the general population.

    These people have a disorder and need help. It is very tragic that most have been told the lie that they can’t change. But there is good news. Thousands have walked away from the lifestyle and for the first time are truly feeling free.

    Please share this message of hope to someone living in the gay lifestyle. Remember, all people are precious and should be helped.

  • true democracy

    Here is an article that you mainstream media doesn’t want you to see……………

    No “homosexual gene” can be found, new study says.
    Studies that said that it exists were falsified.

    ——————————————————————————–

    Alfred Kinsey isn’t the only homosexual researcher who used biased research and falsified data to promote a personal agenda. Although Alfred Kinsey was extremely successful in pulling the wool over the eyes of many in the scientific community and although as a result his creative “findings” came to taint the views of many and to a large extent brought about the sexual revolution, his findings have now been thoroughly debunked. There has probably been no other effort by any other researcher in history that has had such far-reaching social consequences. However, not all homosexual “scientists” are as successful as Alfred Kinsey was in duping the scientific community, whether they attempted to do so intentionally as Kinsey did or not. Some get caught in the act before much real harm is done to society.

    Another piece of “research” by gay scientists debunked:
    Hamer Hammered by New Scientific Study, FRC Says
    “Science Confirms What I’ve Seen in My Own Life as Well as in the Lives of Thousands of Others Who Have Left the Homosexual Lifestyle,” Cantu Says
    WASHINGTON, April 22 /PRNewswire/ — ” Scientists are finally telling us what we’ve always known. There is absolutely no scientific proof of a ‘gay gene,’” said Family Research Council Policy Analyst Yvette Cantu Thursday.

    A study conducted in 1993 by openly “gay” activist and researcher Dr. Dean Hamer of the National Cancer Institute examined the X chromosomes of 40 pairs of homosexual brothers. The study, which appeared in the March 1993 issue of the journal Science, found that 33 of the pairs of brothers had genetic markers for male homosexuality.

    A new study attempting to replicate Hamer’s was released today by the same Science magazine, discrediting the 1993 study. The study conducted by scientists from the Department of Clinical Neurological Sciences at the University of Western Ontario and the Department of Genetics at Stanford Medical School concluded that “data do not support the presence of a gene of large effect influencing sexual orientation.”

    The Boston Globe reported in February that the media-ballyhooed “gay gene” theory was already in trouble. The Globe article featured the findings of Dr. Richard Pillard, a professor of psychiatry at Boston University’s School of Medicine, whose twin studies showed “that sexuality is greatly influenced by environment, and that the role of genetics is, in the end, limited.”

    “These findings confirm what I’ve seen in my own life as well as in the lives of thousands and thousands of people who have left the lifestyle,” said Cantu. “I am living proof that homosexuality is not an immutable characteristic. Hamer himself has said that lesbianism is ‘culturally transmitted, not inherited … It’s more environmental than genetic, more nurture than nature.’ Will these recent studies force Hamer to concede that male homosexuality is also not a matter of genetics but of environment?

    “This new study reveals that Hamer’s activism got in the way of his ability to remain unbiased about his research,” said Cantu. ” ‘Gay’ activists have used Hamer’s research to promote everything from ‘gay’ marriage to ‘hate crimes’ legislation. However, Science’s study further undermines any attempt to change public policy in his name.”

    • Curious George

      Yawn!

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