So why the outcry from parties of the broad left against Hungary’s new constitution – its first since communist times? Maybe it is because they have been taken in by a conception of ‘progress’ that sees the current of political and social change in Europe flowing in only one long-term direction. According to this view, progress can only flow from right to left, from Christianity to atheism, with a one-way valve preventing the loss of any left ‘gains’. When these politicians talk of ‘European values’ being under attack, it is not the mainstream values embedded in the vast majority of national constitutions that they are referring to, it is rather those of a small minority which they would like to see become the majority.
Attacks on Hungary’s constitution “hyperbolic”
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“David Fieldsend manages the Brussels office of Christian Action, Research & Education, and is honorary chairman of the European Christian Political Foundation”. So he’s head of a ginger group with a highly specific axe to grind.
Oh, you figured him out, so you can dismiss whatever he has to say?
Some more ad hominem stupidity. Yes, you have a ‘highly specific’ mind: idiot.
He got your panties all in a wad. tsk tsk.
Gabika drága, can’t you see that I can bearly control my loughing at you guys? You have no sense of humour … poor you, it must be a hard life.
As far as panties go, I wouldn’t know what you are talking about, but you seem to be well experienced
Yep, this is a perfect summary of what is going on.
The doctrine of the left is based on the (unproven) axiom that ‘progress can only flow from right to left, from Christianity to atheism’. Whoever does not buy this crap is of course a ‘reactionary’ or a ‘Nazi’.
What these ‘enlightened’ comrades (and partisan politics and politicians in general) fail to see, is that the ‘left-right’ distinction is fast becoming unproductive, and on the long run obsolete.
@Eric:
Thanks for drawing my attention this great article which I completely agree to.
Yeah, the EU is so stuck up with minority rights being violated, how about a nation being a minority in the EU, oh well suddenly the relativist neo-liberal mindset kicks in, right?! Pathetic brainwashed rationalizing relativist mind-effed trash.
The Chinese are laughing at the European Union’s inability to manufacture anything and pathetic indulgence in mudslinging antics that lead nowhere.
The word “gay” was adopted by the homosexual community as a better term rather fairy,nancy,fruit,shirtlifter.
SEmber is correct in her consideration that gays are better to assimilate into so-called “normal” society and prove their ability to compete at, and on, any level.
The Gay Olympics is a farcical and outdated a proposition along with those parades where Freddie Mercury lookalikes dress up in sequins and silk and ride on the back of milk floats through the cities of the world exposing everything they haven’t got.
@Isadora
If you’re referring to me: first of all, I’m male. Second of all, I never once even hinted that “gays are better to assimilate into so-called ‘normal’ society and prove their ability to compete at, and on, any level.” I merely mentioned that they can and have successfully competed in the Olympics.
There are many groups of amateur athletes who are not able to spend their lives preparing for the Olympics, yet want to compete with like-minded individuals from all over the world. Do you denigrate bike messengers for having an international tournament where they participate in bike races, simply because they aren’t biking in the Olympics?
You may think their activities to be “farcical and outdated”, but they are free to engage in them. I’m sure there are things you do that they consider to be “farcical and outdated”, but they probably aren’t writing as much on the web. I could be wrong about that, though, since I can’t do a web search until I know your full name.
@Isador/John Doe
Since you encouraged me to be bitchy, I will let loose…
You have no idea what you’re talking about when you write “The Chinese are laughing at the European Union’s inability to manufacture anything”. According to the European Commission (which mirrors statistics I have read elsewhere), the EU exports $1.34 trillion worth of goods, excluding trade between EU nations, while China only exports $1.19 trillion worth. If you don’t believe me, see the following link:
http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/portal/page/portal/external_trade/data/main_tables
This is despite the fact that China has over 1.3 billion people, while the EU only has about 500 million, fewer than half. Furthermore, of the goods produced, Chinese goods are much more likely to be of lower quality; those Chinese goods that are higher quality (such as iPads) are usually merely assembled there, from parts made in other countries (including Taiwan and Japan), using machinery made in other countries (probably Germany).
Automobiles are complex goods; how many high-value vehicles are manufactured in China? How many automobile brands which are recognized for quality are manufactured in the EU? I don’t see a lot of state officials driving around in SsangYongs; they prefer Mercedes and Audis, if I’m not mistaken.
You wrote: “The Gay Olympics is a farcical and outdated a proposition”. How are they farcical and outdated? They are meant to raise awareness, and the need for that is as relevant today as it has been for years, as evidenced by the homophobes on this site, as well as by people like Ahmedinejad saying that there are no homosexuals in Iran. Furthermore, it’s certainly not farcical; it’s deadly real business, as evidenced by the hate groups that get together every year to attack the parades here in Budapest. You seem to be very uninformed.
You wrote: “…exposing everything they haven’t got”. Wow, how bitchy a comment is that! I’ve only been to one in my life, but most of the exposing that I saw was of bodies that were well-toned and muscular, which you probably can’t say about yourself.
This part of the article shows that the author has no knowledge of contemporary Hungarian history:
“As the first Hungarian government since the collapse of Soviet hegemony to command the necessary two-thirds parliamentary majority, the current Fidesz-led coalition was given by the people of Hungary the historic responsibility of drafting the country’s first post-communist constitution”
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Already the 2nd free Government, the MSZP/SZDSZ Government had 72%, against current Fidesz mere 68%, of the Parliamentarian seats, but the people obviously forgot to inform that Government that the had been given “the historic responsibility of drafting the country’s first post-communist constitution”
Just a simple Reality Check
“This part of the article shows that the author has no knowledge of contemporary Hungarian history”
Hahahahahahaaaa
And you do?
LMAO 
This tops everything! You are a joke, and a bad one at that 
The above comment was addressed to magyar viking.
Prove me wrong…
Your lot cannot even keep track on the outcome of 6 elections in 20 years, so…?
Vikie, you are a much bigger idiot than I ever thought.
First, I would like to point out that you conveniently forget the main point of the article (expressed in the quote above). So, I conclude that this (your silence about it) means that you agree with it. Good, finally we agree on something.
As to your ‘great discovery’ that this person does not know Hungarian history (and you think you do
), here it goes:
The second ‘free’ government was in essence the SAME Communist government that oppressed, humiliated, imprisoned, tortured, dehumanized the Hungarian population for 40 years, and it was under the oversight of this government that the modified Communist compromise constitution was forged. (Yes, there were the roundtable discussions, but it was still about ‘letting people – the opposition – in and not dealing with equals.) Therefore, in essence it was still their constitution. Yes, the MSZP/SZDSZ were given 72% of the seats in Parliament in the second election, but it was still their constitution, so what do they need to change?
Therefore the article, despite being unclear or wrong about the actual seat numbers allocated in the second election, is completely right and correct in the main point it wants to convey: that this was the first non-communist government that was given a mandate for changing the constitution.
As to your latching at this footnote-style argument in the whole article, and conclude that the writer does not know Hungarian history, therefore the whole article is irrelevant (the typical ‘reasoning’, ‘thinking’ of a desperate demagogue), it shows two things: you are not interested in the truth, and you have no clue about Hungarian history. And the fact that despite this, you keep spewing your ignorance and hate, it shows your arrogant idiocy.
Cogito says:
February 2, 2012 at 1:38 pm
The second ‘free’ government was in essence the SAME Communist government that oppressed, humiliated, imprisoned, tortured, dehumanized the Hungarian population for 40 years
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being unclear or wrong about the actual seat numbers allocated in the second election
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OK, the same people was in the Government for over 40 years? And that is why, even having their own majority, MSZP went into an alliance with the liberal SZDSZ that was bigger than the other liberal Hungarian party at that time, Fidesz?
SZDSZ got the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the office of Deputy Prime Minister, plus 2 other Ministries, which was way too much given the size of SZDSZ
And in the end – the Hungarian electorate voted in MSZP with enough majority to go on it own
You seem to have a problem respecting the will of the Hungarian people, just because they voted against Fidesz
Nice to see we can agree that the article was wrong
“Nice to see we can agree that the article was wrong”
Hahahahaaaaa
You never fail to deliver.
Cogito says:
February 2, 2012 at 1:38 pm
it was still their constitution, so what do they need to change?
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As a bonus you get to explain for the world exactly *what* was so bad in the old constitution, that was still OK to allow Hungary into the EU, that it was necessary to create a new constitution?
The ‘world’ understands. You don’t. So, where does that leave you?
@Cogito
What is your definition of the “world”? Does it include the EU Commission? It doesn’t seem to understand why the constitution needed to be changed.
You’re just evading the question; probably because you don’t understand it. I’ll ask one then: if the earlier constitution was democratic and effective enough to not keep Hungary from getting into the EU, why was it necessary to replace it? I say the only reason to replace it with the one introduced (without a referendum or any cooperation from the opposition) by Fidesz is to restrict freedoms and rights and ensure that Fidesz has a better chance to continue to control the government, even if the majority of Hungarian voters don’t want it to. I’m not the only one who thinks that.
Hey ‘Szabad Ember’, you never seem to be able to contribute to the actual issues that sterted a thread. You just pick out one or two words that suite your pre-recorded stupidity, and you just push the button, and there she goes …
What is my definition of “world”? Didn’t they teach you this in the KISZ course you had to take? Oh, … or was it an evening course?
“why was it necessary to replace it?”
I know … the evening course was not that informative as the day course .. bad luck, comrade 
Becaue it was not good. I thought it is prety clear.
Hey Cogito,
You don’t even seem to be able to pick out enough words to avoid asking stupid questions: I asked for *your* definition of “world”… I know what the real definition is, but your comment made it clear that you didn’t. If you aren’t willing to define the terms you use, how can you expect anyone to take you seriously?
I contribute plenty, but I guess you don’t read all the threads on this site. Look around, you’ll see plenty of contributions from me.
“Becaue it was not good.” That’s the best explanation you can give? No examples? No logic? No support for your asinine assertion? No thesaurus in your possession? No wonder you instantly resort to insults and have so much difficulty understanding simple points made on this site. You’re in over your head; get some help.
I bet Leto is really glad you started posting so much here; you make him look almost intelligent.
I bet Leto is really glad you started posting so much here; you make him look almost intelligent
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Keyword here is “almost”…
SzabadEmber. When I know your real name I shall throw it in the bin. Sometimes you post excellent material and appear the most logical person ever to skate across these boards.
Then,just when we are sailing along with a stiff breeze behind our backs the moon reaches that part of its phase where everything goes out of kilter! This is why I mistook you for a woman.
If you can maintain that articulate style which addresses specific issues and contain those bitchy and random diatribes – then this site will be all the better for it. Hugs and kisses as always!
“This is why I mistook you for a woman”
Yeah, that’s absolutely understandable.
@Leto,
Just letting you know, a comment like that…makes you look a little bitchy.
Hey…what are friends for?
Okay, thanks, I should have agreeed silently.
But it was so true.
@Leto
“Yeah, that’s absolutely understandable”
Your comment seems to be meant as an insult; if so, are you trying to insult me by saying that I’m like a woman? That is not an insult, since I happen to know a lot of wonderful, intelligent, and kind women who are much better people than you.
What you are doing is insulting women by insinuating that they are somehow less valuable or capable then men. I gather from your remarks that you have a very low opinion of me; then you say that it’s understandable for someone to think I’m a woman. Maybe you should show this thread to your mother or other woman who might love you and see how she feels about your comment. You seem to have disdain for any group except Fidesz (which happens to have female parliamentarians).
Your inferior logic skills seem to fail you yet again.. I regard highly women, especially if they are “a lot of wonderful, intelligent, and kind”. What I don’t regard so high if a male can be easily mistaken for a woman.
@Leto,
“What I don’t regard so high if a male can be easily mistaken for a woman”
That usually means that particular male, is in serious touch with their feminine side.
Now, those individuals would probably argue this is simply due to the high regard/respect they have towards the ‘fair sex’ and nothing to do with huhu envy
@justasking
Oh, now you’re a psychologist! Of course, as with everything else you try do to, you’re really bad at it. By “huhu envy” you probably mean the male counterpart of penis envy. Of course, there is no such thing, as anyone who has read even a little Freud would know.
Or maybe this was a little joke, meant to elicit laughter at my expense. If so, that’s even more pathetic, since it was not clever or funny, but rather lame.
What is also lame is that you seem to agree with your buddy Leto that women are less capable and worthy then men. It’s sad that you hate yourself so much that you project your lack of value and ability onto everyone in your gender. No wonder you lash out like a traumatized child at anyone who has the temerity to disagree with you or to demonstrate to everyone on this site how weak your logic and knowledge is.
Seek help, but don’t let the psychologist you hire know your views on psychology; he or she would probably not be able to stop laughing at you long enough to psychoanalyze you.
@Leto
Just because you don’t understand my post doesn’t mean that it’s illogical; you seem to have not read everything in the thread, or you just don’t get it.
John Doe wrote that the reason he mistook me for a woman was because he felt that I became “bitchy” on a regular cycle, as if I was suffering from pre-menstrual syndrome. He didn’t say that I was feminine in any other way. You wrote that you don’t like males who “can be easily mistaken for a woman.” Has anyone else on this site mistaken me for a woman? No one else has ever mistaken me for a woman, so I must not be so easily mistaken for one. Therefore, your pathetic attempt to disguise your contempt for women has fallen flat on its face. John Doe’s remark was meant as an insult to me, since he equated me with a stereotypical woman who becomes bitchy once a month. That was an insult to women, yet you agreed with him, no problem. That shows that you are as much of a male chauvinist as he is, perpetuating belittling stereotypes of women to make it seem as if they are somehow less capable and less worthy then men.
I bet you didn’t show your remarks to any women who care about you, otherwise you would now understand why what John Doe and you wrote is demeaning and insulting to women, not me.
@John Doe
If you’re also known as Isadora, then you must be talking about my response to you further up in the thread.
I admit that my diatribes can be bitchy and random, but I didn’t mean to be bitchy towards you, so I apologize. In my defense, the first part was to satisfy my need to clarify what I meant when writing about the gay games on the other thread. I felt you had misunderstood me, and wanted to set the record straight.
I also wanted to explain to you that it doesn’t make sense to criticize the existence of the games, since they’re just doing what lots of groups all over the world do; they’re not farcical if they are sincere (which I’m convinced they are), and they certainly aren’t outdated, since such tournaments are growing in number and participation all over the world. They’re also not hurting anyone, despite the fact that some on this site are offended that the game organizers are trying to improve the image of gay people.
Coarsening the public debate is not part of what I want to do here, so please keep letting me know if you feel that I’m being too bitchy. Random, on the other hand, I don’t know if I can do anything about.
“so please keep letting me know if you feel that I’m being too bitchy”
Setting people up like this? Not fair…
Well, I do it for you, I wouldn’t mind some reasonable person doing it for me.
The above post was mine.
Only you would be dumb enough to admit to it…you should have simply let it go.
Good luck to you!
Thanks, I will need lots of luck to convince you to stop being a logic-impaired bully.
SzabadEmber. I really don’t mind if you misread/misunderstand what I am trying to say because your ego usually gets in the way of that more often than not.
Sequins and silk and pert bums riding through the town on the back of milk floats does nothing for me. How about you?
Good luck to all those at the games whatever their sexual orientation and perhaps Budapest will be a winner also in terms of much-needed cash/revenue as a spin off from the sport/fun?
Cynicism never was your strongest suit and therefore suggest you stick to the playing the same old “bitchy” role which you do rather well?
BTW. I understood fully what you were getting at as regards “gays” and the “games” etc. So, once again, csokolom!
Oh, well, then, please enlighten me as to what I have “misread/misunderstood”. Also, please give me an example of my “ego” getting in the way of my being able to understand you. While you’re at it, give me an example of my ego being any larger than the average person’s.
I don’t think you understand why there is a gay pride parade, but your ego seems to have convinced you that they do it with the explicit goal of “doing something for you”. They really don’t care whether it does something for you or not.
I’m glad to hear that cynicism is not my strongest suit; where did I display it in any of the posts I directed towards you? I didn’t mean to engage in that; in fact, I think that it’s an unfortunate state to be in. I prefer to fully understand the world around me and work to make it better.
You are giving me a run for my money in the “bitchy role”, so I guess I should step up my game a bit.
You say you understand what I was getting at, yet your comments here belie that assertion. I don’t think you get it, at all.