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April 23rd, 2012

Government pressing ahead with religion classes at all schools, support for Hungarian-language nurseries in neighboring countries

Talks have started between the government and Hungarian churches on the organisation of religious education, which will optionally be offered during school hours as of September 2013, under new public education laws, the daily Magyar Nemzet reported on Saturday.

The new rules, requiring pupils to attend one ethics class per week or choose religious education organised by a church instead, will apply to all primary schools, including ones not run by the state, the paper said.

The ethics classes will be taught by teachers at the school, after they complete a 60-hour training session, but the religious education classes will be provided by church teachers from outside the school. Parents will be able to choose among classes offered by several churches registered in Hungary and choosing the materials for instruction will be in the church’s competence, too, the paper said.

Kornel Papp, head of the education office of the Hungarian Reformed Church, told the paper that talks with the state secretariat in charge of education addressed the practicalities of introducing the religious classes. Guidelines should be ready by the summer, the paper added.

State to fund nurseries for region’s ethnic Hungarians

Hungary has proclaimed 2012 as the year of Hungarian nurseries abroad and has allocated 100 million forints (EUR 337,000) to help operate Hungarian nursery classes in neighbouring countries with a Hungarian minority, Zsuzsanna Repas told a youth conference in Sovata, N Romania, on Saturday.
Hungary’s nation policy focuses on assisting a network of institutions, including schools and nurseries, Repas said, adding that concrete programmes linked to Hungary’s nation policy strategy are now being implemented.

The strategy aims at promoting the growth of Hungarian communities in numbers, as well as in an intellectual, economic and legal sense, Repas said.

“The borders of the Hungarian nation stretch as far as their institutional network can reach,” she said.

The Hungarian Youth Conference is regarded as the youth chapter of the Hungarian Permanent Conference (MAERT), an organisation of Hungarian parties in the Carpathian Basin.

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  • Philip

    “The borders of the Hungarian nation stretch as far as their institutional network can reach,” she said.

    So, if we hypothetically teach 1.4 billion Chinese citizens the Hungarian language, that would make China, what?

  • Aloof

    We’ll see how optional… looks like the Protestants turn up at the plate eh? Ethics classes, that’s rich.

  • Sure

    Who’s going to design the Ethics classes? VIKTORITES? SOCIALISTS? OMG! This show is definitely worth the price of admission.

  • Elsbeth

    “The border of the Hungarian nation stretch as far as their institutional network can reach,” she said.
    One way to reverse Trianon!

    • No, this is not irredentism. If supporting Hungarian-language education in, say, Slovakia is off limits then, for example, the British Council or French Institute should not be able to put on plays in English or French in Budapest.

      • Innocent bystander

        The British Council makes no claims about the UK’s national borders stretching to include Budapest. Perhaps it should.

        • Leto جبار مؤدّب

          And who claims about national borders of which country? Perhaps you should point out that (with trustworthy sources, of course)

        • I believe you are conflating “nation” with “country.” Not being Hungarian I am obviously not a proper Hungarian nationalist, but in this case the claim of “national” borders stretching abroad is not unfounded or extreme. But more to the point, this initiative itself is harmless.

          • That last one was for innocent bystander, BTW.

          • Leto جبار مؤدّب

            “Not being Hungarian I am obviously not a proper Hungarian nationalist”

            Oh, that’s never been a requirement for this. :p See, among others, the list of the thirteen Arad martyr generals.

          • Philip

            We know very well what it’s about. It’s about teaching Orbans new voters Hungarian. 😀

  • seinean

    Erik:

    \ If supporting Hungarian-language education in, say, Slovakia is off limits then, for example, the British Council or French Institute should not be able to put on plays\

    Far fetched and overstretched comparaison in my humble opinion. The Cultural Institutes are supposed to make known and to promote the culture of a country in another country. They have nothing to do with the educational network.

    \No, this is not irredentism\

    It is a stupid display of irredentism and an useless provocation in a very sensitive environment – again – in my opinion.

    The Hungarian government should indeed support the Hungarian minorities abroad to preserve their culture , language and traditions. This should be made in wise ways by wise people and without such stupid declarations.

    • I’ve answered above, but would add that I disagree that there is a meaningful distinction between a state cultural apparatus and a state educational apparatus.

      • seinean

        Erik

        A state cannot have an “educational apparatus” in another state. As state can however have “cultural institutions” in another state.

        This is the distinction.

        In other words: Hungary can have a Cultural Institute in – for instance – Slovakia. However Hungary cannot have a Hungarian state owned “educational apparatus” in Slovakia ( or Romania , or Serbia ).

        Hungary can – however – support and fully finance PRIVATE educational institutions in SK/RO/SR and – of course – contribute to the financial/educational support of the host state ( SK/RO/SR ) Hungarian language schools/cultural institutions.

        I hope I made my point clear. A bon entendeur , salut !

        And thank you for not allowing uncivil language on YOUR site.

  • Frankly Franklin

    I really see no point in calling this irridentism, squealing about the act as if it is some invasion of historically non-Hungarian space with propaganda. But some people would apparently love to forget that many of the nations nearby were carved out of Hungary’s butt in an excessive way at Trianon.

    Also, sensitive atmosphere? Screw you! I say be as chauvinistic and bold-faced about keeping Hungarian culture from being extinguished in former Hungarian geographical areas as possible.

    I do not know where you are from, but I hope the preschools and cultural centers stab like daggers into your heart if your fear of Hungarian self-knowledge is so high. I, for one, think all of the countries who benefited from Trianon should just suck up the continued Magyarness of some of their citizens and not try to Slav-ify them.

  • seinean

    @FF – Are you the The Mad Hatter ? Or just The Mad Hater ?

    Be chauvinistic and bold-faced as much as you want as a private person. The worst it can happen is for you to get your beer-fat-ass kicked. However a representative of the HU guvernment should be responsible in he’s/she’s saying. Otherwise the very objective of supporting Hungarians from neighbour countries might be in jeopardy.

    You – on the other hand – can be stupid as a private person without harming other Hungarians.

    PS: SY too.

    • Frankly Franklin

      *Pats seinean on his wee top part* “The worst it can happen is for you to get your beer-fat-ass kicked.” I guess you don’t know me at all, LOL.

      The point remains that any country may institute whatever programs are not blocked in any other country it likes. In the case of Hungary providing preschool education in Hungarian, I think it is wholly appropriate.

      Also: “Hungary’s nation policy focuses on assisting a network of institutions, including schools and nurseries, Repas said, adding that concrete programmes linked to Hungary’s nation policy strategy are now being implemented.”

      This indicates that the mechanism is via sponsorship and support directly paid to the existing infrastructure… If any of these grants and monies make it to the countries in question through the current regime’s corruption is yet to be seen.

      • Innocent bystander

        Well, as long as these Hungarian nurseries teach the kids to say “Screw you! I say be as chauvinistic and bold-faced about keeping Hungarian culture from being extinguished in former Hungarian geographical areas as possible!” in Hungarian, then I guess all will be fine for future generations.

        Peace, love and harmony to one and all!

  • Andy

    “The borders of the Hungarian nation stretch as far as their institutional network can reach,” she said.

    Uf, Orban nationalistic brainmwashing even in nurseries? Please, let children grow in normal, human conditions. Don´t poison their brains wit those magyarozsag, silly propaganda… Hopefully, Slovak authorities will stop it ASAP !!!

  • procastinator

    I think ethics classes are great maybe they should start with: though should not steal cheat or lie , and keep repeating that until the next generation of this country actually gets it , just a though

    • Innocent bystander

      “Thou shall also not sit back and passively let your leaders tell you what to think” would also be an interesting topic for these Ethics classes.

  • Focus on the bigger picture

    The last time I looked at the stats. The Hungarian population IS in a decline. Couples cannot afford to have children, especially of the white Hungarian population. (don’t even start on me being a racist with that comment, just stats.) So, what is the problem of reaching out internaly and externaly to save a culture.
    Look at the indigenous populations in many other countries, (Brazil, NZ etc..). If we don’t try and save it, why should we care what happens now? In 50 years it is a done deal. So, why not let them fall into further corruption and dismay? What is the EU doing in trying to save it’s core cultures in their largest states? Just look at the modern socialist French and their election today > Immigration #1, Economy #2….(also look at LePen’s 20%)
    Nothing to do with Orbanism, but saving The Magyarism.

  • Viking

    Nice to see that ‘Jehovas Witness’, Pentecostal Church and the Church of Scientology will all be able to foster the small ones, all to the appraisal of their parents
    Good to remove those small bastards from the claws of the School and help their confused parents in bringing up their children, something they obviously are not able to do on their own

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