June 4th, 2012

Orbán snubbed by Romanian PM as Nyirő affair escalates

Prime Minister Viktor Orbán was the only prime minister not received by Romanian Prime Minister Victor Ponta at a “friends of cohesion” meeting in Bucharest on Friday, Népszabadság observed.

Orbán was received instead by Romanian President Traian Basescu. Ponta said he did not meet Orbán as he expects him to make an apology.

Speaker László Kövér offended Romanians in their own country when he accused the Romanian government of “unfriendly, uncivilised and barbaric” behaviour for preventing the reburial of writer József Nyirő, Ponta said.

The Hungarian prime minister should apologise for this, he continued, speaking after a campaign event at Craiova at the weekend.

Romania rejects paying tribute on its soil to people known for anti-Semitic, anti-Romanian and pro-fascist conduct and “an attempt at that was made at Odorheu Secuiesc,” he added.

Interior Minister Ioan Rus said if the Hungarian government fails to apologise for Kövér’s statements, he could be declared persona non grata in Romania.

Romanian authorities banned the delivery of a coffin by rail and then police stopped press chief Csaba Lukács on suspicion of possession of drugs. With the power of attorney they sifted through his baggage but found only an empty urn on him. Only three people reportedly know about the whereabouts of the writer’s ashes.

Hunor Kelemen, president of the Democratic Alliance of Hungarians in Romania (RMDSZ) said Kövér ought not to have interfered in the Romanian local election campaign.

Acts of reverence are irreconcilable with political stigmatising and the Hungarian government has no intention of communicating with the Romanian government in this regard, Péter Szijjártó, state secretary in charge of Orbán’s international relations, told Kossuth Rádió on Sunday morning.

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  • Aloof

    Just absolutely disgraceful and shameful. Way to go Vik and Mr. Moustache for being arrogant unsophisticated amateurish country bumpkin jerks. This could have been handled quietly, discreetly and diplomatically but Fidesz chose using a dead guy for political purposes.
    “Acts of reverence are irreconcilable with political stigmatising” from the ultimate red ball in mouth sock puppet Szijjártó. What utter drivel.

    What a creepy collection of unsophisticated arrogant retards. This is your government? I’d be embarrassed as hell.

  • Leto

    “Ponta said he did not meet Orbán as he expects him to make an apology.”

    That’s the joke of the day! :D

    • Sinoda`

      It is a joke for a primitive, provocative and iredentist, simple person as yourself and your governement.

      • Leto

        I’m a complex irredentist. :) But what are you?

        • Sinoda

          I am glad that we can talk we a smile on the face. It is much better than frowning (rosszalló). By deffinition an irredentist is a simple and extremist person oriented in the past. Also as a definition is simplier to have a vision about the past than one about the future. Only a simple person can imagine that the past could ever came back. The future does not belong to primitive extremists as yourself but to complex european people that wants to live together in harmony and good understanding. To be tolerant does not means to be tolerant with intolerant people. Extremism is the prerogative of narrow minds.

          • Leto

            “By deffinition an irredentist is a simple and extremist person oriented in the past. ”

            You seem to be a simple (minded) person, so to speak.

            Let me help you (for free this time):

            “irredenta
            n.
            A region that is culturally or historically related to one nation but is subject to a foreign government.

            [From Italian (Italia) irredenta, unredeemed (Italy), Italian-speaking areas subject to other countries, feminine of irredento : in-, not (from Latin; see in-1) + redento, redeemed (from Latin redemptus, past participle of redimere, to redeem; see redeem).]

            -http://www.thefreedictionary.com/irredenta

            You haven’t answered what you are… First off, you’re a Rumanian, right?

  • Ottelo

    the Hungarian government has no intention of communicating with the Romanian government in this regard—

    well, then Kover should forget about visiting Roumania anytime soon

  • Leto

    “Few European peoples were provided with so many virtues by the Lord like Rumanians were”, wrote Mircea Eliade who is a much celebrated Rumanian historian (a Daco fairy tale teller), fiction writer and philosopher. He’s got loads of statues in Rumania and institutions, streets, etc. are named after him.

    He also wrote that “besides poverty and syphilis, J*ws
    are gobbling up the Rumanian nation”.

    Another quote from this Rumanian celebrity is “Hitler contented with concentration camps, which is a less grave thing than shooting in the head or hanging”.

    -http://erdely.ma/publicisztika.php?id=119347&cim=jo_szomszedjuk_a_fekete_tenger

    This latter sentence of Mircea Eliade must be some kind of criticism towards General Ion Antonescu, the dictator of Rumania during WWII, a convicted war criminal, who used these methods of executions in Bessarabia from 1939… together with impaling.

    • Leto

      Er, I mean it must be a criticism towards Hitler and a praise for Antonescu.

  • romanian

    Eliade became world famous after 1945 (while living in exile first in France and then in US) because of his works on the history of the religions.
    He is remembered (valued) worldwide as a leading interpreter of religious experience, who established paradigms in religious studies that persist to this day and NOT for his nationalistic writings and far-right politics back in the 1930s.

    That part you may find and read at erdely.ma but not in the Romanian articles, newspapers and school curriculums. He isn’t thought of being any ‘apostle’ of the Romanians and he receives no official recognition for that part his writings. That part is subject of blame.

    If one were to apply the same treatment to Nyiro not much (if anything, maybe 2-3 short stories) would be left to celebrate about him.

  • seinean

    Leto: “wrote Mircea Eliade who is a much celebrated Rumanian historian (a Daco fairy tale teller), fiction writer and philosopher. He’s got loads of statues in Rumania and institutions, streets, etc. are named after him.”

    Eliade was a simpathizer of the Iron Guard ( the Romanian fascist movement before WWII). He was a writer, an essayist, and a historian of religions. He was also for many years professor of History of Religions at the University of Chicago. The only part of his work that had something to do with the Dacians was an analysis of what is known about their religion.

    He was not actually a member of the Iron Guard and had no political role in the movement. He was NOT an MP and was not involved in voting criminal laws. The Romanians did not try to consign him to grave in a foreign country against the will of the government of that country.

    While Antonescu was indeed a war criminal and many died because of him, claiming that impaling was used as a method of execution is ridiculous.

    • Aloof

      Leto did what Leto does. Divert from the subject and ad hominem attack. The jokes of the year are him and the Fidesz arrogant unsophiticated morons embarrassing the Hungarian people and taking them on a pathetic ideological ride. Who ARE Hungary’s friends outside of the kindom BTW? Other foreign heads of state stay away from OV like the plague unless it’s just a diplomatic ceremony.

      • justasking

        @Aloof,

        And Aloof did what Aloof does…submits another post, that was written when his head was conveniently stuck up his own ass.

        ‘Who’s Hungary’s friend?!?!’ he screams like a girl…..Country’s tend to ‘friends’ with each other when it’s convenient and serves a purpose for both sides….politicians fake sincerity all the time.
        ———

        That aside, Romanian was right on one hand and wrong on the other in my opinion.

        Right, to determine who is allowed in their country, what individuals they choose to honour by naming streets after or constructing monuments for or allowing to be buried on their soil….and other countries should respect this.

        Wrong, that PM Ponta snubbed Orban so publically; he should have taken the high road. That being said, Orban should have approached Ponta before the meeting, apologized, and promised to put a muzzle on Kövér. At the end of the day, Orban is responsible for the actions of his cabinet.

        This has now gotten out of hand…this would not have happened, if a woman was in charge.

        • seinean

          ja: “Wrong, that PM Ponta snubbed Orban so publically…”

          Romania has local elections in a week and general elections in November. Ponta’s PSD is known for trying to reach the nationalist-proned part of the electorate.

          • justasking

            @seinean,

            ‘Ponta’s PSD is known for trying to reach the nationalist-proned part of the electorate’

            Yeah, I can see that…but to me it’s a matter of diplomacy. What kind of PM is he by the way? Do you like him? Is he good for Romania? Why?

          • seinean

            ja: “What kind of PM is he by the way? Do you like him? Is he good for Romania? Why?

            I don’t really have clear answers for you here. He is leading “the” Romanian post-commie party who had a long and sulphrous period of government in Romania in the ’90-ies and at the begining of the previous decade. He has lots of dues to pay and he is for sure representing the old bonds of the PSD ( Iliescu, Nastase…).

            He started his administration by replacing many persons holding state positions all over the country – he made “political” appointments. Even more notably , the very second day after he was instated, he replaced the lider of a state institution who was part into a trial against the ex PSD PM Adrian Nastase. The next day the newly appointed chairperson withdrew his institution’s penal complaint against Nastase, setting him free from accusations.

            I guess you can get to your own conclusions…

          • Leto

            @seinean:

            Exactly. A new Iliescu era, taking the Byzantine direction. See my post in the other thread.

        • Aloof

          Oh you again, well please tell all of us who are the friends of the current government that represents Hungary? Go ahead and tell us that this government doesn’t aggravate, instigate and provoke BS with all her neighbors, the EU and the US.

          A woman in charge? In Hungary who would that be? We all know one in Jobbik that wouldn’t work out too well.

    • Leto

      “Romanians did not try to consign him to grave in a foreign country against the will of the government of that country.”

      How nice of you. Instead of you erect statues and you name schools and other institutions after someone who held such views.
      BTW, there are streets named after convicted war criminal Ion Antonescu, too. Here is an example: -http://goo.gl/maps/wWDV

      • romanian

        –there are streets

        There aren’t. That Google street-map, and few others, should be updated.
        There were few such streets, even one in Cluj/Kolozsvar which also appears now on Google maps but actually today its name is Str.Petru Maior.
        After the Law-31/2002 about fascist symbols and the cult of persons associated with fascism they were all changed.

        • Leto

          “There were few such streets”

          No, there were many streets like that.

          I remember the street now called Primavera (or what, anyway “tavasz” in Hungarian) in Kolozsmonostor was also named after Antonescu. That was when all the litter bins and street benches were painted red, yellow and blue in Kolozsvár. We never failed to crack the joke “now we’ll nicely put our asses on the Rumanian colours” before sitting down somewhere. :D

          • , justasking

            ‘We never failed to crack the joke “now we’ll nicely put our asses on the Rumanian colours” before sitting down somewhere’

            :D :D

            Sorry seinean, butt that was funny….nark, nark, nark

          • romanian

            No, there were many streets like that…

            No, Leto..there AREN’T ANY TODAY..what you are talking about is again the period before the law on fascist symbols and names.

          • Leto

            @justasking:

            The other (admittedly not too witty) joke was, of course: “here goes some more Rumanian national trash” before throwing something into those red-yellow-blue litter bins. :)

            The Rumanian flags were planted literally everywhere.. and a lot of them were disgustingly filthy rags in pieces because of neglect. :D

          • , justasking

            @Leto,

            ‘“here goes some more…’

            Yeah, I’m not a fan of that one.

      • seinean

        Leto

        There are people in Romania who believe that Antonescu should be honoured. Their line of argumets follows exactly your line regarding Horthy. Yet there are no statues or monuments of any kind of Antonescu exposed in public. While – for a whle in the ’90ies – some monuments were erected and some town and city councils named streets after him , the existing law forbids this.

        And speaking about a “convicted war criminal”, this argument does not seam to bother you as far as Wass Albert is concerned…

        • Leto

          Yeah, it doesn’t bother me at all indeed because Wass Albert was convicted in a show trial by the Rumanian authorities.

          -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Wass

          “The Romanian authorities tried several times to extradite him to Romania, however in 1979, after several revisions, the U.S. Department of Justice refused the petition due to lack of evidence. This was confirmed even after the Wiesenthal Center denounced him, as he was among the people who were accused of killing Jews. After the analysis of the case, the U.S. dropped the charges against him”

          • Leto

            Ah, forgot to star the magic word…

      • seinean

        Leto: “How nice of you. Instead of you erect statues and you name schools and other institutions after someone who held such views.”

        Well – the right-wing “views” from his youth certainly were not materialized in any laws or deeds, just in newspaper articles. Besides they changed enough in time for him to become professor at Chicago University ( 1957-1986 ), a member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences ( in 1966 ), an editor-in-chief of Macmillan Publishers’ Encyclopedia of Religion, a visiting professor in religious history at the University of California (Santa Barbara), and to be invited at congresses for the History of Religions in Germany, Sweden and Norway.

        I guess we can can afford to name a couple of streets after him.

      • seinean

        Since we’re at it, the Romanian government acknowledged the deliberate participation in the Holocaust by the World War II Romanian regime led by Ion Antonescu : -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiesel_Commission

  • wolfi

    “Instead of you erect statues and you name schools and other institutions after someone who held such views.”

    And that is the reason why Hungary also HAS to erect statues etc pp for its convicted war criminals – that is according to L3 aka Leto’s Loonie Logic (TM) …

    • Leto

      No, that’s not the reason, you unwelcome foreign idiot in my country.

      The reason is because Admiral Horthy, who is, by the way, not a convicted war criminal, is worthy of erecting statues for.

  • get real

    To all huns losers!

    It is unbelievable what you can hear on Duna tv on the
    Romanian triumph sealed at Trianon!!

    These pathetic Hun losers can’t get over it and understand the fact that every empire has an imminent end!

    You can’t rule for ever over other nations and claim ownership!

    I am waiting for the Roman empire to claim Transylvania!

    What a bunch of losers!

    They are not willing to understand that the Trianon results are the natural consequences of their weakness and
    bad decisions that put them on the wrong side of the history!

    It is ridiculous how they pump up their muscle with poems and songs covering their “lost” like you put a cot of paint on a rusty iron!

    I have a great time!

    I get you back! Until enjoy this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDlO1YTEcBc&feature=related

  • get real

    Transylvania is Romanian for ever!

    Alba iulia 1922:

    King Ferdinand of Romania :

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9momMDAZJs

  • Tokes Laszlo

    Orban and Ponta – they are both imature politicians. The only statesman around is Basescu.

    • Leto

      Actually you’re the immature imbecile one who abuses the name of that Hungarian politician whose name is synonymous with the revolution in Rumania in the December of 1989:

      “An effort to transfer him from his post as an assistant pastor in Temesvár (Timişoara) and to evict him from his church flat helped trigger the Romanian Revolution of 1989, which overthrew Nicolae Ceauşescu and spelled the end of the communist era in Romania.”

      -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A1szl%C3%B3_T%C5%91k%C3%A9s

  • pedro mexicanu

    bozgorii sug pula….

    • bleontz

      si cu curu si cu gura

  • get real

    One thing is very refreshing, the Orban and his herd are stupid like my booth!

    In the 21 Century, they are playing the revisionism card, dreaming to the ” great Hungary” that existed because they occupied those territories!

    The kingdom of Hungary ended with the Mohach episode when
    the ” brave” Magyars kissed the ass of the Sultan and became his slaves!!!

    Give me a break with this ” vithez’ propaganda that you can see all over the TV stations. It’s a cheep soap balloon shit

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