June 5th, 2012

Kövér ignores Romanian plea to postpone visit to Transylvania

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Hungary’s Speaker of Parliament Laszlo Kover said he insisted on his plan to visit Romania on Tuesday.

Earlier on Monday, Romanian Senate Speaker Vasile Blaga and House of Representatives Speaker Roberta Anastase asked him to postpone his visit after the country’s upcoming local elections.

In a letter of response addressed to the Romanian house speakers, Kover said he would pay an unofficial visit to Romania, a friendly country belonging to the Schengen zone, as a private individual, a politician, an honorary chairman of the officially registered ethnic Hungarian MPP party and last but not least as an EU citizen but not in the capacity of a public dignitary.

Kover noted that, prior to various elections, Romanian politicians had paid similar visits to Moldova and Spain to support local Romanian political forces democratically.

Kover expressed hope that he could dispel the political concerns, and asked the Romanian side to inform him immediately if there was any legal obstacle to his planned visit.

In an open letter, Blaga and Anastase assured Kover that he was a welcome guest, but also said they wished his activities in Romania stayed “within the well-defined framework of bilateral relations”. They added that “any direct impact on (Romania’s) democratic processes” would run against the European spirit and hinder objectives of the ethnic Hungarian minority.

Signatories to the letter called it crucial for Romania’s Hungarian community to participate in the local elections “free of any influencing”.

Kover is scheduled to arrive in Romania’s Szekler Land on Tuesday afternoon to attend an MPP rally.

Kover attended MPP events in Romania between May 24 and 27, including a commemoration of ethnic Hungarian author Jozsef Nyiro. On that occasion, Kover criticised the reluctance of Romanian authorities to grant permission to the re-burial of the late author in his native Odorheiu Secuiesc, and called the Romanian government’s attitude “unfriendly, uncivilised, barbaric”.

On Saturday, Romanian Prime Minister Victor Ponta called on his Hungarian counterpart Viktor Orban to distance himself from Kover’s remark, to which Orban’s press chief responded that Hungary considered the affair as one of reverence rather than of a political nature.

MTI (Magyar Távirati Iroda) is the Hungarian news agency.
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  • AK

    For Kover a country is friendly as long as it allows him to do whatever he wants on its territory. The moment it prevents him from doing something it suddenly becomes “unfriendly, uncivilised, barbaric.” Kover is not fooling anyone with his “friendship” rhetoric.

  • Anonymous

    “but not in the capacity of a public dignitary.” And that makes it okay? BTW I don’t think you can be a “public dignatary” in another country

  • Leto

    Kövér won’t stop on the border like President Sólyom did. So the Rumanians have only two options:
    1/ let him go
    2/ arrest him

    :)

    • Leto

      Eight TV channels and loads of journalists waited for Mr. Köver on the airport of Marosvásárhely. The Rumanians chose option 1. :)

      -http://mno.hu/hatarontul/kover-gond-nelkul-landolt-erdelyben-1081218

  • Bowen

    Is Kover going to be buried today in Szekelyudvarhely? Let’s hope so. It would put a stop to all this rubbish.

  • 1

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  • wolfi

    Wow!

    Maybe some assassin will kill him (you know like someone killed that Austrian prince) – that would give Fidesz the reason to start another glorious war!

    I’m sure they’ll win that just like they did win the last wars where they invaded other countries …

    Good luck!

    • trololol

      here’s hoping you’re the first casualty :)

    • Anonymous

      wolfi,
      let’s hope not. Or he will be elevated to a martyr!

  • wolfi

    With “they” I meant of course the glorious Hungarian Hussars – Kövér really looks like one of them, straight from the 19th century …

  • Anonymous

    3/ a kick in the ass to Budapest! is a option to :D

  • olga

    @ Leto

    re: ‘They added that “any direct impact on (Romania’s) democratic processes” would run against the European spirit and hinder objectives of the ethnic Hungarian minority.”

    That would be a threat and not a veiled one – You may interpret this burial fiasco as you wish but to me it’s a political pissing contest and the Hungarian minority will pay the price

    Someone should sing the Kenny Rogers song to Kover about knowing when to fold – in this case for a noble cause.

    Regarding the burial debate, I would love to know the wishes of the majority of the ethnic Hungarians living in Romania.

    • seinean

      olga: “That would be a threat and not a veiled one …”

      Olga , there is more than meets the eye. Mrs, Anastase and Mr. Blaga – be they the speakers of the two Chambers of Romania’s Parliament – are NOT members of the ruling coalition. Mr. Ponta become PM after the passage of a motion of no confidence against the previous government. The letter was – hence – sent by people belonging to Basescu’s PLD party who was previously in a coalition government with the RMDSZ.

      The real and ojective threat is for the Hungarian vote in Romania to be dipersed between the RMDSZ and the newly appeared and FIDESZ supported parties ( with a much more radical nationalistic approach). In Romania there are about 6.5-6.7% ethnic Hungarians. Because they are more commited than the Romanians they usually get some 7% of the votes who – until now – went exclusively to the RMDSZ. Now – since there is a 5% treshold for a party or a pre-elections established coalition to get seats in the Parliament – please do the math and come to your own conclusions.

      • seinean

        *objective

      • AK

        Seinean, in fact the “barbarian” Romanian government has decided to eliminate the electoral threshold of 5% precisely in order to help the Hungarians maintain their representation in Parliament.

        FIDESZ’s plan was to dilute the Hungarian votes and thus kick the Hungarians out of the Romanian Parliament so as to radicalize them. Now that their Transylvanian puppets will get a few seats in Parliament so they can do what Kover does.

    • Leto

      @olga:

      You’re really thinking the wrong way, maybe because you don’t know these Byzantine folks. This new “Social Democrat” Rumanian government is going to play the Hungarian card anyway, and “the Hungarian minority will pay the price” anyway, because that’s their interest now. If you give in to them in some way then they’ll just push more.
      Think this way: Do you think it’s a good idea if, say, a government gives in to terrorists? Do you think next time they won’t take hostages or they’d be less relentless?

      • seinean

        Really Leto ?

        “Byzantine folks” ? “terrorists” ?

        No kidding ?

        • Leto

          No kidding.

          The latter thing was an analogy. As far as the former issue is concerned, I do make distinction between (many generation) Transylvanian Rumanians and old kingdom Rumanians. So you’re fine from my point of view.

          • justasking,

            @Leto,

            Sorry there guy, but you lost me on your post to Olga.

            How can you even make such a comparison?

          • Leto

            Like I wrote above, this new “Social Democrat” Rumanian government is now going to pick on ethnic Hungarians anyway and they are going to pick a fight with Hungary anyway. History has clearly shown this and they have also demonstrated that already straight after they took office. Why do you think Hungary got so nicely along with Rumania between May, 2010 and April, 2012? The same Orbán government was in office in Budapest.. and a quite reasonable center-of-right Rumanian government in Bucharest.

          • seinean

            @leto

            So the idea would be : let’s provoke and start a word-war because it is going to happen anyway… “Awsome” peemptive thinking !

          • Leto

            @seinean:

            You know very well that, with this postcommie PSD in office, Rumania will go the Iliescu-way again.
            What was their very first measure? They scrapped the Hungarian department on the medical university of Marosvásárhely. Their second measure was to remove all the Hungarian county administrators and they immediately revealed their plans to partition Hungarian-speaking Székelyföld into three separate regions.

          • seinean

            Leto : ” with this postcommie PSD in office, Rumania will go the Iliescu-way again.”

            Maybe not. And besides – there are general elections in November.

            “They scrapped the Hungarian department on the medical university of Marosvásárhely”

            This is not accurate. A googd an rather lenghtly explanation provided by user “Ovidiu” on another site:

            “At this moment the UMF-Targu Mures has two sections : the Hungarian language section and in the Romanian language section (and it has had the Hungarian language line of study for a long time, in some ways-form even back in the communist times).
            What does this mean ? That if you want to, you choose so, you can have the entrance examination in Hungarian (i.e. compete on the Hungarian section reserved places, 50% of them ) and, if you succeed, then afterwards study medicine (have all courses) in the Hungarian language until you finish your studies and become doctor.
            What is still in common with the Romanian-language section is the “practical works” sections (laboratories, university hospital practice with ill people) which are held in the Romanian language and along with (ethnic)Romanian students.

            Thus there are already two departments and thus Hungarian language education (from the entrance exam to the finish-licence exam, and 50% of the UMF students are at the Hungarian section) but the departments are not separated institutionally and administratively. Thus you can have teachers from the Hungarian department teaching at the Romanian-section and, viceversa, you have teachers from the Romanian section teaching courses at the Hungarian section- most Romanians in Targu Mures speak Hungarian fluently so there is no problem if they have to in Hungarian. This means that university is not strictly separated in two self-sufficient institutions with its “own” teachers, payments, administration (rectors, deans, etc.).

            Thus the real stake, the real conflict, is institution-separation, is about creating a new separate institution, “purely” Hungarian, not that much about the opportunity to study in the Hungarian language which has been in place for a long time.

            And there is conflict here. For instance is not clear how will one provide for a new separate set of laboratories, how will the university-hospital be separated and function segregated (will it be a “language-ethnic tes”t for patients too so some with be directed to the “Hungarian” hospital branch of the building and some to the “Romanian”-one ?). Separation will also means that the Dentistry Faculty of the University will disappear, there just are enough teachers to have two departments.

            The are financial-and-status interests.
            From the Romanian side : the ration of Romanian/Hungarian teachers is 60%-to-40%, thus the Romanians teachers will lose courses which they teach now, thus lose money and influence, so they oppose on this grounds too.
            From the Hungarian side : a new university will mean a whole new seat of deans, rectors, chiefs-of-chairs etc..this means new status-positions purely Hungarian, so they stand to gain

            And there are ethno-political interests. A university is symbolical for a State, for prestige, etc. The (openly stated by RMDSZ) goal of the Hungarian community is to have as many as possibile “purely Hungarian” state-institutions (there are already others, as theaters, operas, culture centers, schools, etc.) and then create an institutional Hungarian network (sort of “parallel state”, as in a multi-national state, though incomplete one of course- one limited to culture and education).

            Last, but not least. The new Law of Education (passed december 2010-january 2011) ALLOWS such a institutional separation wherever there are such “mixed” institutions.
            The Law has been already applied since the spring of 2011, and now functions, at the Babes-Bolyai University in Cuj/Kolozsvar.

            But there at UBB-Cluj it was easy to do it- I don’t know all the Hungarian language departments functioning there but departments as Sociology, Psychology, Law etc. were separated also administratively-institutionally thus now they function autonomously (hire/fire they own teachers, administrate their budget, etc.) as self-sufficient universities. As there it was easy because there, let’s say the Law or Sociology Dept., you don’t have there any technical laboratories or medical patients to work with, it all only “pencil-and-paper” education.

            It is not that easy at UMF Targu Mures.Private and ethno-political interests clash and to repeat myself- it is not about students&studying in the Hungarian language but about separating the teachers&administration, is about creating separate-autonomous institutions based on ethnic-linguistic affiliation.”

          • Leto. مؤدّب

            @seinean:

            “Maybe not. And besides – there are general elections in November.”

            Chances are PSD will win… the applied IMF recipe of substantially reducing salaries and pensions didn’t go down well with the voters.
            I think there will be a major turnback to the political practice of those times. What makes you think otherwise?

          • seinean

            The PSD ( actually the USD) does not need to play the nationalist string in order to win in November’s elections. Their main adversary right now is President Basescu who will follow every move they make. He will be in office for the next two years. They will walk on egg-shells for the time being.

          • Leto. مؤدّب

            @seinean:

            Yes, you are right, they don’t need to. But they will. Old habits die hard.

    • spectator

      “it’s a political pissing contest and the Hungarian minority will pay the price”

      Exactly!

      Mr.Kövér and the rest of his sorry bunch does nothing but put ethnic Hungarian minority groups through misery every time they “save” the national integrity and “help” to gain autonomy.
      When – if ever – for heavens sake will this morons stop teasing the neighboring countries for imaginary domestic benefits sake..?
      It doesn’t help for the declining popularity, and it just hurting the Hungarians living outside.

      Then why?
      Any ideas?

  • lebaron

    Wasn’t transylvania hungarian for a thousand years?

    • Aloof

      Yeah and it was Neolithic from 6600- 3500 BC, it was Baden, Cotofeni, Periam-Pecica/Mureş, Otomani, Monteoru, Noua and Wietenberg from 3500– 1100 BC, it was Geto-Dacians from 1100- 271 AD, it was the Visigoths until 376 AD, then Hun, Gepid and Avar until 800 AD, then the Magyars finally showed up and took total control in 1003 AD (St Stephen Christianity time) when it was under voivodeship rule until 1526, then provincial until 1571(Calvinist time)and then more variations until 1920.

      So in reality, it’s hardly just Hungarian. You can do this with any country or any region. It’s all about how far do you want to go back? I believe it all started with Adam and Eve or something like that if you want to be religious about it…or keep looking for the missing links if you don’t. Just plain stupid one way or the other. All humans have more in common than their differences.

    • Curious George

      Wasn’t transylvania hungarian for a thousand years?

      Doesn’t make a difference to me. I would still need a passport to go there today, tomorrow, the day after, and the day after that……. But, I’m sure Brussels can change that a lot sooner than any Hungarian govt can.

  • Aloof

    Leto says: June 5, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    Why do you think Hungary got so nicely along with Rumania between May, 2010 and April, 2012

    Yeah… they got along great: Băsescu called Orbán “the last disgusting little nationalist of Europe” in the presence of the American ambassador to Bucharest.

    Kover in 2011 at Târgu Mureş, Hungarian Ambassadors wife quoting Albert Wass, Magyar Régiók Háza, King Matthias.

    Both sides acting like kindergarten recess brats that continues to this today. Friggin’ hilarious and more disigenuous Leto lying BS.

    • Leto

      So what? The relationship between Hungary and Rumania between 2010 and early 2012 was about the most tension-free since 1989. You bet the times ahead will be a lot worse.

      • Aloof

        No doubt with an authoritarian, arrogant, unsophisticated, fascist, racis,t nationalistic and still Commie diseased government in Hungary in place.

        • Leto

          Go and take your pills… :)

  • Szatmari

    You gotta love these Romanians, especially this \Aloof’ character…and who were the \Neolithic, Baden, Cotofeni, Periam-Pecica/Mureş etc? ahaha, were they perhaps proto-Romanian? Everyone knows how you people were given Transylvania and what the circumstances were. \ arrogant, unsophisticated, fascist, racis,t nationalistic and still Commie diseased government\ Great sentence, it describes Basescu and his band of Balakn tatars (aka Romania’s govern’t) trying to overthrow the govern’t in Kishinev Moldova perfectly. Wouldn’t it be dull without comments by little indoctrinated balkan hypocrites scurrying around.

    • Sam

      I’m romanian and I pretty much dislike all romanian politicians, but when comparing them to hungarian FIDESZ, or Jobik our politicians start to look much better..

    • Aloof

      I’m a US American with some Hugarian descent oh ignorant one. Typical… The entire Balkans region is just as screwed up as it was a 100 years ago when it caused WWI. It is utterly amazing that this region can’t get past its history. Tribal islam has nothing over you retards. There’s nothing cultured or civilized going on around here including Budapest. Women and old men being attacked, racial slurs at people walking down the street, police running over and then beating up a UAE chess official and breaking 5 of his ribs and unfriendlines towards foreigners which I’ve recently been a victim several times after living in Hungary for 17 years. I don’t say anything until they’re done being ignorant asholes and blast them in Hungarian for being the small minded assholes that they are.

      And the Fidesz/Jobbik government in place is doing nothing to discourage this behavior and in my estimation encourages this behavior.

      All conditions and storm clouds are gathering for another trip down asshole lane.

      T

      • Leto

        It’s absolutely high time you left this country at last. How many more hours?

        • Aloof

          Speaking of ignorant one…

      • Cogito

        @ Aloof

        You are, as usual, ignorant and full of shit. Let me unpack this rather complex concept for your retarded little organ masquerading as a ‘mind’.

        “I’m a US American with some Hugarian descent”
        So, this is supposed to give you some kind of ‘ubermensch’ status? Well, let me remind you of a few things.

        Institutional racism and racial segregation was still supported and upheld by law only four decades ago, and illegally it is still well and alive in many parts of your country. There are still daily occurrences of racially motivated aggression and killings all over the US.

        The US starts a new war every 4-5 years to promote and protect its national and geopolitical interests, and to keep its famous and famously antidemocratic (according to D.D. Eisenhower) military-industrial complex alive and happy, which operates on an annual budget larger than all other military expenditures in the world. Good business for the enlightened US citizens like yourself, no problem about the tens of millions of lives destroyed physically, emotionally or financially.

        US banks (directly or thought the IMF and the WB) handed out huge loans to poor countries, many of which have repaid the principal multiple times over, yet in actual terms they are getting more and more into debt because of the increasing value of the principal, thanks to the constant devaluation of their currencies, with the ‘helpful interventions of the US (and other Western) credit rating companies such as Moody’s, Standard & Poor, Fitch, etc. This is exactly the same kind of exploitation of other countries what the British, Spanish, French, Dutch, etc. did in colonial times, only the means are different. I am sure you heard the expression ‘neo-colonialism before’. Well you and your country are it.

        The annual legal immigration (approximately 1 million people annually) – a nice expression for annual brain drain and stealing of the best of the brightest from some of the poorest countries of the world – provides the US with billons of dollars annually in, what one could call, ‘education aid’ alone. Let me illustrate this with one little data: 40% of Ph.D. scientists working in the US today were born in another country. So we are not even talking about those with masters, college or high school degrees. Who paid for their education, at least in part? Not the US taxpayer, but the taxpayers of those poor countries the Us is milking by collecting loan interests.

        And I will stop here, because you are not worth that much of my time. But it is typical for loudmouth US Americans like yourself to think that despite all this, despite all this injustice, destruction and exploitation, you can somehow pretend that you are better than everyone else. Go back to where you came from, crawl into a little hole in shame and shout your loud mouth. Once you showed thankfulness to the rest of the world for helping to provide you with the standard of living you enjoy, we can maybe talk again. Until then, shut up and get lost, you unthankful parasite.

  • spectator

    Hmmm…

    “band of Balakn tatars”

    - you’ve lost me.

    WHAT?
    What on earth the tatars – Mongolians to the similarly unsophisticated kind like me – has to do with the Balkans?

    By the way, having problems with the present Romanian government still wouldn’t make Kövér’s stupid act right, particularly because the outcome hurts the ethnic Hungarians living in Romania, as it usually does.

  • Anonymous

    so now he is a European..

  • Sam

    Last year Kover made some nasty statements toward Slovakia, now Romania..
    Romanians and hungarians lived in pace and harmony in Transilvania for centuries, problems arose only when politics got involved.

  • get real

    He can do campaign for ever on those counties because they never will be majority in the Romanian parliament so it’s a vast of time to think that those counties will gain ever autonomy!

    In contrary he divides the Mongols, which is good for Romania, and put the honest people in a stupid situation!

    Trianon was a natural result of the history and you must live with that!

    It was not great Hungary, it was Austro-Hungarian empire! That means that those two countries have dominated other countries with other nationals!

    After Trianon those coutries became independent or got
    adopted by the mother country!

    You are crying after something you have dominated but never owns!

  • Szatmari

    You obviously don’t know history…. before the Austro/Hungarian Empire it was the Kingdom of Hungary (which the Turks and Hapsburgs occupied) Transylvania was always part of Hungary or an independent Hungarian principality. Please tell me when the Magyar arrived in 896 whose “county” did they steal? It was Hapsburg policy to repopulate the devastated areas of Hungary after the Turkish wars with foreign non-Hungarians, if fact Hungarians weren’t allowed in those lands. What was natural about “Trianon”? Romania signing a secret treaty in 1916 to betray its ally because it coveted its neighbors land? Or perhaps stealing 5 of Hungary’s 10 most populous cities with overwhelming Hungarian population. You can’t help but laugh about Slovaks and Romanians barking about “land we never owned” I’d say 1000 yrs. is proof of ownership. Slovakia (19 yrs old) Romania (160 yrs. old). You’ve got alot to learn dude about factual history, not the propaganda you were force fed as a child

  • Szatmari

    To the American of Hungarian descent ..aloof, you’ve got some serious issues. Beszeles Magyarul? Erdekes, ho volt a megtamadas Magyarorszagban?

  • get real

    Here it’s a big thank for Kover bacsi who supported the Transylvania, maghyar Nazi parties!!!

    As a result a patriotic Romanian political unity party have won the local elections and no more ” autonomy” for the
    arrogant Huns!

    Since now on , Kover bacsi, you are welcomed in Transylvania
    to help us to win the elections!:):)

  • get real

    Szatmari bacsi,

    Please don’t explain the Trianon decisions, where the maghyars lost big time!

    How about to start on the Roman empire and ask yourself

    why they fall apart!

    Empires are not lasting forever!

    If you are from Szatmar you understand that you don’t have any chance to change something!

    • Cogito

      @ get real Idiot

      “Please don’t explain the Trianon decisions, where the maghyars lost big time!”
      You see, I happened to believe that justice will prevail. And since justice means to give every human being what by virtue of who they are belongs to them, I believe that Hungarians and Romanians will receive what by virtue of who they are belongs to them. So, why are you afraid of justice? Well, you (individually and as a people) are scared shitless of justice because you know what you and your leaders did: you stole, robed and plundered. You and your leaders, in your bloodthirsty, bigoted, nationalistic, chauvinistic grab-as-much-as-you-can rampage, stole, robed millions of peoples’ land, houses, national identity and future. With this on my conscience, I would be scared too. No wonder you cannot sleep, and always have to check, look behind your shoulder what those ‘unthankful victims’ of yours are doing. And you know what? You will be always scared shitless, and rightly so, until justice will be done. And don’t worry, justice will be done.

      “How about to start on the Roman empire and ask yourself why they fall apart!
      Empires are not lasting forever!”
      Are you talking about the Romanian Empire? I agree! Empires don’t last for ever. :)

      • keepin it real

        Cogito, it would be easy for me to just make fun of you, but seriously, you need to see a psychiatrist. The incoherent nonsense you’re spouting is a clear indication of serious mental health issues (delusion, paranoia, monomania). Please don’t commit suicide, there is help for you.

        • Cogito

          @ keepin it idiot

          Hahahaha :) :) Thanks for this. Keep it coming, don’t be stingy, people like to have a good laugh :) .

  • DoubleH63

    @get real

    “maghyar Nazi parties!!!”

    Who the fuck are they? Are they like the Daco-Romans, who managed to hide in the woods for 1500 years undetected?

  • get real

    First to Cogito.
    he said: “You see, I happened to believe that justice will prevail.”

    My friend the justice was served already at Trianon! what you are talking about??

    DoubleshitH63: who they are? your fucking nationals first
    in FIDESZ, JOBBIK and then the little brothers in Transylvania of all Maghyar parties!

    Kiss good bye to the autonomy because is an utopia!

    One more thing: the highest rate of suicide in Europe
    is in Hungary , I’m wondering why???

    • Cogito

      “My friend the justice was served already at Trianon! what you are talking about??”
      Hahahaha :) :) , that is the best joke I heard for a long time. What dream world are you living in?

      Recent and not-so-recent (non-Hungarian) authors dubbed the Treaty of Versailles “Peace Without Justice”

      The well-known economist John Maynard Keynes, who represented the British Treasury at Versailles, in his book The Economic Consequences of the Peace (1919), he predicted that because of its unjust measures the treaty will lead to economic disaster and it did.

      The contemporary British historian Harold Nicholson, considered the Treaty of Versailles a failure that did little to promote prosperity and world peace, because it was unjust.

      Woodrow Wilson, US President, wanted moderation, a peace based justice, on negotiations and mutual agreement, a process that could lead to the establishment of the League of Nations. Clemenceau (France), on the other hand, wanted a ‘dictate’ and vengeance, punishment and humiliation, and that is what happened. The US Senate, until this day, never ratified the Treaty.

      The Treaty of Versailles (Trianon) was driven by vengeance and greed, and by extreme nationalism and greatly contributed to the outbreak of WWII. The only reason the injustice of this treaty was never openly discussed is because France and Britain were its main architects, and they could not possibly be held responsible for anything.

      So, the birth of Romanian, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia is rooted in injustice, not to mention the separating one third of the Hungarian speaking population from their home country and culture.

      So, don ‘t worry. Justice will be served one day. Not vengeance and punishment, but justice. If this makes you nervous and insecure, so be it. You deserve it. Only jstice will give you peace.

      • keepin it real

        Cogito, you’re off your medication again and hallucinating. Get back asap and check with your pyschiatrist, before you contribute to the Hungarian suicide statistics. Believe me, it’s not worth killing yourself over Trianon.

        • Cogito

          You are obviously suffering from an advanced form of Identity Confusion, a dangerously acute form Dissociative Disorder. I am not sure what kind of terrible childhood trauma causes you to be like this, to speak to other people thinking that they are you, but whatever it was, it sure piled up an incredible amount of hate and fear in you. Other symptoms often accompanying this disorder are: ubermensch-complex rapidly altering back and forth with chauvinistic and fascistoid paranoia, bigotry, inability to read and comprehend, etc. You are a real mess dude … :) :)

  • Szatmari

    To all my Magyar friends here, as you see its impossible to speak with Romanians normally. Let them bask in their false belief that “everything Roman is theirs”. All of Europe knows the truth and they do to. Eventually Szekelyfold will achieve autonomy, it’ll take time…shameless and dishonorable people such as these hate whom they fear. They’re firm believers in “the end justifies the means”…in the case of “Great Romania”….betraying your allies in both WWs, 160,000 slaughtered at Stalingrad and then becoming soviet allies in the invasion of northern Transylvania and Hungary. These people have poisoned relations with everyone. They’re paying the price as being labled gypsies.

    • Leto

      “as you see its impossible to speak with Romanians normally”

      That’s not true. There are some exceptions.

      • Leto

        Generally speaking, you’ve got much higher chances to strike a chord when trying to speak with many generation Transylvanian Rumanians.

  • Szatmari

    Only with non-political stuff….politics always pops up in a conversation and then forget it. My parents had to leave Transylvania because of these people, this generation is really no better than their parents or grandparents generation. I have to deal with them every time I visit family and friends.

    • Leto

      I’m not going to argue against this. Though I think my remark applies, surely only to some extent and with strong limitations, even to political stuff.

  • get real

    This is the last attempt to educate these Magyar losers!

    Ask for the election results in Transylvania and see where the
    RMDSZ and the other Nazi Magyar parties are situated!

    Based on those results, it a shame to even go to elections!

    If you can’t take this, you are an idiot and is not worth to have any discussion!

    Get over it and be happy that you can visit Transylvania as an European citizen!

    • Leto

      Take your daily Daco pills, eat some more ‘mamaliga’, try to take off your bocskor (primitive sandals) and shave your hairy sole (if that’s possible at all) :)

  • Szatmari

    Typical Romanian hypocrisy….You people will never evolve. Look at Bucharest’s extremist policies concerning Moldova and you dare call Hungarian initiatives for autonomy as “nazi”. No wonder the Dutch and Finns don’t want you in Schengen. Take your “education” and put it up where the sun doesn’t shine….roman prost!

    • keepin it real

      “extremist” policies? LOL

      I’m glad you’ve left Romania. We don’t need neo-nazi filth like you.

      Here’s when Szekely gypsies will get autonomy: nem, nem, soha!

  • get real

    You idiot, from 12 counties in Transylvania, only two counties get a Magyar mayor!
    What more prove you need you jerks to understand that you have nothing to do with Transylvania!

    Again you idiot, 85% of Basarabia people is speaking Romanian,and to compere the Basarabia situation with Transylvania is more than shameless!

    We did not occupied Basarabia because 85 % of the population was speaking Romanian compared with Hungary that had a minority Magyar population compared with majority Romanian population!

  • get real

    this is a test

  • get real

    You idiot, from 12 counties in Transylvania, only two counties get a Magyar mayor!
    What more prove you need you jerks to understand that you have nothing to do with Transylvania!

    Again you idiot, 85% of Basarabia people is speaking Romanian,and to compere the Basarabia situation with Transylvania is more than shameless!

    We did not occupied Basarabia because 85 % of the population was speaking Romanian compared with Hungary that had a minority Magyar population compared with majority Romanian population!You idiot, from 12 counties in Transylvania, only two counties get a Magyar mayor!
    What more prove you need you jerks to understand that you have nothing to do with Transylvania!

    Again you idiot, 85% of Basarabia people is speaking Romanian,and to compere the Basarabia situation with Transylvania is more than shameless!

    We did not occupied Basarabia because 85 % of the population was speaking Romanian compared with Hungary that had a minority Magyar population compared with majority Romanian population!

    • Cogito

      Ok, bigot, time for your medication. :) You are getting too excited, you are already stuttering and repeating things … next thing you are going to pee your panties. So, nicely just calm down, control your pathologically bigoted, chauvinistic and fascistoid emotions, take your meds and crawl back into your little windowless, nicely-padded room, so that you will feel safe and protected. OK, dear? :)

  • get real

    The triple dose was for you imbeciles to save me some time!:)

    I posted several times with the hope you will understand that Asia has nothing to do with Transylvania!

    Getting back to Kover bacsi, the reality have proved that impostors are just full of shit!
    His buddy, Szasz Jeno lost his position in the Magyar community

    One more time have been proved that the Nazi Magyars are losers!

    • Cogito

      Yes dear :) Starting to feel better yet ?:)

  • get real

    Not really, until I see all the hondveds out of Transylvania

    leaving for Kazakhstan!

  • Szatmari

    Easy escu, you keep proving over and over again your ignorance of the subject. If Transylvania has nothing to do with Hungarians then why do you people use our (Magyar) name for the region “Ultra Silvan”(Transylvania nowadays), Erdely (ardeal)…get the picture? Oh and not to mention all the major cities had overwhelming Hungarian majority populations, that is until you began moving wallachians and moldavians in by the thousands to dilute the Hungarian populations, all under the guise of industrialization. Its pretty shameful that you don’t know the history of the region you were given.

    • Leto

      Ah, these ones here are so Daco that they would start arguing that “Ardeal” is not a distortion of the Hungarian word “Erdő-elve -> Erdély” but it’s some Dacian word. :D

    • keepin it real

      Szatmari my gypsy friend, since your ancestors are from India and Kazakhstan, tell me, is Almaty also a Hungarian name? Shouldn’t you recreate the Great Kingdom of Hungary and Middle Earth in your ancestral homeland of Kazakhstan?

  • Szatmari

    I guess Asia isn’t your specialty either…India and Kazakhstan you say, did you just pick those 2 countries out from the top of your head, I guess it doesn’t make a difference to you that those countries are separated by a few thousand miles. Its interesting that you call me a gypsy when in fact gypsies are aryan more closely related to Romanian than Hungarian. You shouldn’t dis the gypsies though, they’re your #1 export…they’ve given ROMAnia a great reputation. You can thank that famous ROMAnian… Images for romulus mailat – Report images ..aha

    • keepin it real

      Szatmari my gypsy friend, Mailat is a Hungarian name btw. I’m not dissing because you’re a gypsy, I’m dissing you because you’re a moron. There’s a high statistical chance that you’re ethnically gypsy (since in Transilvania most gypsies speak Hungarian and identify as Hungarian) but I was using the term gypsy in its metaphorical sense: in the sense of nomad. India is your spiritual home, since that’s where gypsies come from, and Kazakhstan is your historical home, since that’s where the ancient Magyars (Madjars in Kazakh) come from.

  • Szatmari

    Aha a balkan cioban/shepherd calling someone a “nomad”…now thats a good one. Nicolae Romulus Mailat a Hunagrain name… sorry dude, you people are the ones with the fake Roman names. Sure looks like he’s speaking Romanian here…Deznodamant Romulus Mailat on Youtube. I gotta hand it to you…you know jack-shi t about politics, history or geography but you’ve got the balls to call anyone a “moron”…You’re nothing more than your average run of the mill indoctrinted olah, most likely the son of a transplanted wallachian potatoe farmer.

    • keepin it real

      Don’t pretend you’ve forgotten your own language. Mailat is the Romanian spelling of the Hungarian name Majláth, an important aristocratic Hungarian family (never heard of György or János Majláth?). Miklos Romulusz Majláth is probably a notable descendent of this family :) I own a house very close to Covasna and Mures, and as you know very well, half the “Hungarians” in those areas are in fact Hungarian-speaking gypsies.

      I could keep making fun of your Asian ancestors, but, in reality, if you don’t have slit eyes, dark skin and are taller than 1,50, then you’re in fact just a Magyarized Romanian (or gypsy, or Slovak) talking shit about the country that was tolerant and civilized and hospitable towards you.

  • get real

    Szarmarka, Here is a puzzle for you:

    1) The bozgors occupied Transylvania for 1000 years, right?

    So, how the maghyars were all the time a minority in Transylvania with all the efforts to maghyar-ize the Romanian population?!

    2) how the Romanian Goverment did a better job in 90 years than you in 1000 years?

    The answer is logic because In Transylvania were more Romanians than Bozgors!!

    Transylvania is not an Maghyar world, you ignorant is a

    Latin word!

    3) How do you exlpain that from 12 Transylvania county
    capital cities only two got Bozgor Mayors?

    I tell you how, according to your theory that are more Bozgors than Romanians in the big cities, that means that the bozgors have elected Romanian mayors!
    The bozgors get sick an tired to be called losers so they
    went with the natural flow:):):)
    You got it!
    Please answer: 1,2,3!

  • Szatmari

    Miklos Romulusz Majláth….Thats a good one, we’ll just leave that by itself so everyone can get a good laugh! You’re right Transylvania is from latin and written in Latin.
    Transylvania was first referred to in a Latin language document in 1075 as “Ultra silvam,” meaning “beyond the forest.”
    In 1075 King Géza I of Hungary when endowing the Benedictine abbey of Garamszentbenedek Transylvania.

    Now in 1075 there was no Romania, your vlach ancestors were in the balkans herding sheep with no written language, not until 500 yrs later, then it was cyrillic…and you say you gave us civilization aha…Poor Romanian …facts and documentation always destroys your cheap propaganda. You’re are one uneducated lame olah.

  • matei corvin

    I am one of the few romanians who thinks Transylvania should be independent and if this time will come (never say never) the Hungarian from Hungary will be realy surprised to see that not even the Transylanian Hungarians and the Szekels would be willing to unite with the Motherland. Guess why?

    I read actualy all your coments. it is a perfect picture of the place were are living. perfect idiotic frustrated romanian using the “b” word to describe hungarians and infatuated hungarians who refuse to understand that what happened at Trianon is just the result of their behavior towards others.

    • Leto

      “I am one of the few romanians who thinks Transylvania should be independent ”

      You’re mistaken, no surprise here at all.
      Most Transylvanian Hungarians and Székely I know would say the same as you. And I agree that’s about the best solution for a number of reasons.

  • Szatmari

    Matthias Corvinus (king of Hungary from 1458 to 1490), who led several successful military campaigns and also became the King of Bohemia and the Duke of Austria. As a Renaissance ruler, he established education institutions, patronized art and science, and introduced a new legal system in the kingdom. With his patronage Hungary became the first European country which adopted the renaissance from Italy.

    Lets see….1458 to 1490…where’s Romania, no country, no written language, no nothing. Bocskor/bozgor….homeless, soleless balkan nomads!

  • Szatmari

    You’re right about the part of the Szekely not wishing to reunite with Hungary…we’ve always been an autonomous independent people, but would rather have much closer ties to our brothers in Budapest then with Bucuresti.’

    that what happened at Trianon is just the result of their behavior towards others.”

    No thats incorrect…France and England didn’t want a powerful country such as Austria/Hungary existing in central Europe. They wanted to permanently cripple it economically. If you think they gave those lands to you for any historic right, you’re sadly mistaken.

    • keepin it real

      Oh, so now you’re not a Szatmari anymore, now you’re a Szekely? Well, then there’s a 50% chance you are a gypsy and a 100% chance you are an immigrant. Szekely immigrants have tested Romanian patience enough, I think it’s time for your people to return home.

      • matei corvin

        keep it real – amice esti idiot. the szekels are cool.

        • keepin it real

          hai ciocul mic, iobag cretin.

          • matei corvin

            first i didn’t to answer “keep it real” boy.
            you know the 2 major differences between the 2 of us?
            1. at least 50 meters of books I read more then you did
            2. for sure more then 2 generations on my side of educated people (I mean with a university degree)

            regards to your friend becali

          • keepin it real

            matei corvin, retardatule, tu n-ai citit o carte in viata ta, asa ca potoleste-te, tigane. Tu esti roman cum sunt eu klingolian.

  • matei corvin

    Szatmari my friend, it was not just an economic hit towards Austrian Empire and the Hungarian Kingdom. don’t tell me that all those nations: slovaks, serbs, romanians or croats were well treated back then.
    I can understand and accept the unjustice in Trianon (and it was a great fuck-up) but it was also the right of those nations to fight for their best interest…except for the Austrians who got a part of your country although they were defeted too.

  • Szatmari

    So A Szekely can’t be born in Szatmar? I guess you’ve never heard of travel? another dumb Romanian potatoe farmer!

    ….and how were they treated back then? Lets see, you Romanians were about 53% yet you were given 100% of the land infrastructure, natural resourses etc….I think that says it all. But I guess you’ve never heard of plebiscites(you know a democratic vote) that was denied to the Hungarian population. So those cities of Kolozsvar, Arad, Szatmar, Brasso, Temesvar, Marosvasarhely and countless villages with overwhelming Hungarian populations were treated fairly?….you’ve gotta love romanian hypocrisy., you’re the ones that poisoned the relations, you’re greed!

    • keepin it real

      A moron like most Szekely gypsies, but at least you can speak some English (even though very poorly) unlike most Szekelys. I don’t know if they teach math in Szekely-gypsyland, but in my book 53% is more than 20% so the majority got its due. You still got more privileges than any other Hungarian minority anywhere else in the world (taxpayer-paid education in Hungarian, from kindergarten to university, use of the Hungarian language in administration and justice, bilingual street signs etc etc). Also, it’s important to mention that Szekely-gypsyland is the poorest and most crime-infested area of Romania, which survives on handouts from the richer counties, so it’s basically the people in Bucharest, Constanta, Prahova and Timis who subsidize the laziness of Szekely gypsies.

      Hungarian and Szekely immigrants in Romania have been pushing it, especially in the last few years, and Romanian patience and tolerance might start to wear thin. People might start to wonder why they should keep subsidizing a lazy, aggressive and uneducated minority.

  • matei corvin

    @ szatmari – ok. I just admitted that Trianon was unjust and I never said what happened after was right for the Hungarians.

    The reasonable conversation is over as I see.

    The Hungarians were always good and nice, that is why everybody loves them. that is why all the people mentioned above wanted to stay in the Kingdom, which in fact wasn’t a kingdom but a compromise because you weren’t ever able to defeat the Austrians.
    Instead of looking in the past you better try to build the future.
    Hungarians are a gifted people and they are able to build a better future for themselves but with such attitude towards neighbors, with such idiotic politicians and crying all the time for Trianon you will never get there.

    • Leto

      As far as your first two sentences are concerned, he didn’t address your post. Apparently his “June 12, 2012 at 7:05 pm” post was in response to “keepin it real”‘s at “June 12, 2012 at 6:12 pm”

      • Leto

        Oh, ok, sorry. He probably addressed the part after the rhetorical question about people’s being treated to you.

  • Szatmari

    matei corvin, as long as there are Romanians like this “keepin it real” illiterate jackas s which sadly to say is how most Romanians think there’s never going to be reconcilliation. First off, how should’ve Hungarians treated the other nationalities? whether you want to admit it or not the Austrians pitted one nationality against the other, they’re the ones that moved foreigners into depopulated areas after the Turkish wars, it was a matter of survival for the Magyar…in 1848 you sided with the Hapsburgs and you thought you won, but in reality you lost. To me it doesn’t matter that most of Hungary’s neighbors hate us…they hate what they fear! Every other country in Europe likes and respects Hungarians, can I say the same about you? As far as looking ahead….Hungarians are doing just that, there are autonomy initiatives in all the successor states, dual citizenship laws have been enacted and eventually we’ll be one nation again. Now if thats showing disrespect to its neighbors, then maybe Romania shouldn’t be sticking it nose in Moldova and Slovakia shouldn’t have their language laws. it works both ways…Autonomy is an EU norm, I think thats the start for a better future.

    • keepin it real

      None of your neighbours likes you, poor little Szekely gypsy. However, unlike the Slovaks, Serb and Ukrainians, Romanians have been tolerant and generous to your kind.

      Keep dreaming about “autonomy”. You will never get it, get used to it :)

      As for your idiotic comparison with Romania’s legitimate interest in Bassarabia, I’m not surprised, Hungarians have always been Russia’s bootlickers. Hungarians and Serbs are the only two peoples in Europe who would bend over and take it up the ass from Russia anytime their Russian masters order them to :)

      • justasking,

        @Really, just keep it,

        ‘None of your neighbours likes you’

        Yes, lets talk about ‘neighborly love’ shall we?? After watching this video that is….

        It’s called ‘Gypsy Child Thieves’

        http://youtu.be/gtrbYSoIdA0

      • justasking,

        sorry, sorry…here it is again,

        justasking, says:
        Your comment is awaiting moderation.

        June 14, 2012 at 1:08 am
        @Really, just keep it,

        ‘None of your neighbours likes you’

        Yes, lets talk about ‘neighborly love’ shall we?? After watching this video that is….

        It’s called ‘G*psy Child Thieves’

        http://youtu.be/gtrbYSoIdA0

  • igazi magyar

    I’m sure 16th century Transylvanians would be shocked at the lack of religious freedom in Hungary.

    The Edict of Torda established this in 1568, when Transylvania was independent. Not saying that it should be independent today, but it has its own history separate from Hungary.

    • Leto مؤدّب

      “I’m sure 16th century Transylvanians would be shocked at the lack of religious freedom in Hungary. ”

      Is that because 16th century Transylvanians recognized, and supported with their tax revenues, more than 300 churches* like pre-2011 Hungary? ;)

      *including the “Hungarian Alliance of Witches” ( Boszorkányszövetség), scientologists, “Om Vishwa Guru Deep Hindu Mandir Mahaprabhuji A Világmindenség Guruja Hindu Vallási Közösség és Szellemi Iskola” (I won’t translate that :D ), the “Hungarian Ancient Shamanic Church” (Ősmagyar Táltos Egyház), “Sri Chinmoy Center Integral Yoga” church, “Celtic Wicca Church” (Kelta-Wicca Hagyományőrzők Egyháza)
      -http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magyarorsz%C3%A1gon_m%C5%B1k%C3%B6d%C5%91_egyh%C3%A1zak,_felekezetek_list%C3%A1ja

      Yes, I think you’re absolutely right that 16th century Transylvanians would be absolutely shocked that after 2011 Hungary recognizes only 27 churches in such a status, including three Muslim ones, three J*wish ones, five Buddhist ones and a Hinduism-based one.

    • ,justasking,

      @igazi,

      ‘I’m sure 16th century Transylvanians would be shocked at the lack of religious freedom in Hungary’

      Do you really think (even for a nanosecond) that people back then, got all caught up in ‘political correctness’ as we do today?

      But, for the sake of argument….could you please, in point form (3-4 will be enough, explain to us minions here on poli.hu, exactly how is ‘religious freedom’ lacking in Hungary today; enough, that would cause such embarrassment to our ancestors???

  • Szatmari

    I can see my comments have filled you with rage. Try reading and understanding factual history before vomiting again. Whose shameless country lets its army of 160,000 get slaughtered at Stalingrad by the Soviets and then turns right around to become Soviet Allies in the invasion of northern Transylvania with their tongues up Russian ass all the way? Frustrated Romanian…the question here is who has respect for you? A country that betrayed its allies in both wars, signed secret treaties because it coveted its neighbors land. A people who are viewed as gypsies all throughout Europe, I’m sure you’ve seen the signs…”nu furati, nu furati”…Sadly no one has respect! Now as far as Autonomy goes…of course a dimwit such as yourself doesn’t want it, people like you who have personal vendettas because they’ve been made a fool of and exposed as an illiterate and ignorant jackass on just about every comment they’ve posted. The great part about establishing autonomy is that all democratic and civilized countries accept it. So unless Romania wants to continue being the backward, corrupt shithole of the EU it better evolve and quickly…cheers wallach.

  • get real

    Szarmarka,

    The winners always take right decisions,and the Romanian
    king did the right thing for the Romanian people,the losers aka Hungary, did his best to help Romania to be what it is!
    Thank you, Hungary!

    Nobody can’t fix stupid and this is why the Magyars took the dick in their ass!

    Fortunately, there is no sign of improvement:):)

    • ,justasking,

      @get real,

      Oh, your posts are sheer poetry!! Your use of language…magic.

      All that aside, I just have to know…exactly how many chromosomes were you born without?

      • Curious George

        I guessing just the Magyar chromosome. But I’m sure Nagy Gen Diagnosztikai és Kutatási Kft. can verify this with 100% certainty, if you can provide them with Real’s blood sample :)

        • justasking,

          @George,

          Cute!

  • Szatmari

    keep commenting “get real”…you make good sport

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