June 15th, 2012

Roma have no reason to flee Hungary, says ministry

Many Hungarians, mainly Roma, who seek asylum in Canada claim they are escaping political oppression but in fact have been motivated by generous social benefits, a government statement said on Thursday.

“Hungary is a democratic constitutional state … observes human rights and anyone who seeks political asylum in another country, referring to a ‘quasi-fascist dictatorship’, does not speak the truth,” the Human Resources Ministry statement said.

Hungarian nationals who immigrated to Canada were motivated by the prospect of financial benefits offered under Canada’s immigration law, the ministry said.

Canada recently changed the law with the likely outcome that Hungarian asylum-seekers will sent back in an expedited procedure. The law is expected to take effect later this month.

“The message of the Canadian decision for them is that the future cannot be built on benefits but on hard work,” the ministry’s statement said.

“The Hungarian Roma have their future in Hungary; though it is obviously not easy to prosper as a Roma in Hungary, the government’s programmes seek to provide an opportunity for all to get training and find their place on the labour market,” the statement said.

In response to the Canadian decision, Hungary’s National Roma Self-Government (ORO) called for a distinction to be made between economic and political refugees, and urged action to be taken against human smugglers who take abuse refugee rights.

ORO head Florian Farkas said in a statement that the Roma authority was committed to participating in government programmes which sought to ensure work and a decent living for poor people, Roma and non-Roma alike.

The ORO statement also expressed agreement with the Human Resources Ministry, arguing that people emigrating from Hungary on political grounds had no sufficient reason to do so.

Imre Helyes, counsellor at the Hungarian embassy in Ottawa, told MTI by phone that around 4,500 Hungarians had applied for refugee status in the country in 2011, and 700 did so in the first three months this year.

The official added that the vast majority of applicants eventually withdraw their claim and return to Hungary on a voluntary basis.

“The applicants themselves demonstrate that they have no valid reason,” Helyes said.

After a visa-free period of seven years starting in the 1990s, Canada re-introduced a visa regime for Hungarian nationals in 2001 due to the large number of immigrants, mostly Roma, arriving from Hungary. The visa requirement was lifted for Hungary, the Czech Republic, and Slovakia in 2008, which triggered another influx of immigrants.

MTI (Magyar Távirati Iroda) is the Hungarian news agency.
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  • Dan

    I’m a Canadian and am so glad that our government is planning to send this fake refugees back. There are thousands living in my area and they are rude, ignorant parasites.

  • Géza

    “There are thousands living in my area and they are rude, ignorant parasites.”

    oops when hungarians say this about the gypsies living among them they will be attacked as racsist…;-)

  • bob

    These people are parasites. They are in certain neighborhoods in Toronto and all they do is hang around, do nothing and steal. They wander in packs, with their 12 kids in tow begging for money. I’ve caught them trying to get into my bags before and they are always stealing items out of the donation bin at the thrift shop. I don’t understand why they are allowed to come here, get $1200 a month, get fast tracked into social housing and get trips subsidized. A citizen here who has paid taxes as to wait upward to 10 years to get social housing, but these scumbags get handouts. I’ve always been curious where they get the $$ form to even come here….how does a Gypsy family come up with $10k to fly to Canada?!?

    They get free bus fare, health care and legal council for their bogus refugee claims. I don’t see any of their children in schools (since they don’t speak English) and I don’t see any of them working. I’m happy they will be sent back, maybe Hungary will put an end to the gypsies being dumped in their country by the richer EU states like France and Germany who don’t tolerate this garbage.

  • olga

    @ Bob

    I don’t know what part of Toronto you live in, but next time you see anyone begging and accompanied by a child, you should dial 911 and get the police and Children’s Aid involved.

    I have never seen a child begging with an adult and you are making up stories – there is no possible way that someone would not have called the cops immediately.

    Moreover you have a disgusting attitude that flies in the face of Canadian values – having said that, the Roma are not responsible for Canada’s insane immigration laws. Perhaps inadvertently, they did something positive and highlighted a law that needs to be change and is in the process of being changed.

    I have a lot of sympathy for the Roma but they are an EU problem and Canada’s duty is to deal with our First Nation and the abject poverty some of them are living in on reserves, before we go and try to solve the world’s problems.

    BTW, if you don’t “see” any Roma kids in Toronto schools, visit any of the Parkdale area schools and you will find plenty of them. I was supposed to submit a resume a few months ago to translate during Parent-Teacher interviews but I decided I was not interested because of other commitments.

    • Pesti

      I, too, am Canadian but am living here in Budapest. I go back to Toronto about once a year and stay in the Roncesvalles / Parkdale area. I can only say that I back Bob up 100% with his comments and observations. Walk into the Salvation Army shop on Quesn Street West (near Lansdowne) next time you’re in town and tell me who you see hanging out in gangs, there. Yes, this is a sad situation.

      I also agree with you, Olga, and think that Canada has an abundance of its own problems which need to be fixed before trying to solve other countries’ matters. I’ve lost so much respect for Canada in recent years regarding various issues – especially environmental ones.

      • Pesti

        Sorry, it should read Queen Street West.

  • olga

    @ Pesti

    I know the Roncesvalles/Parkdale area really well.

    There happens to be a Roma Community Centre in Parkdale, and the government is housing the Roma refugee applicants in the West Lodge apartment complexes so it’s not a big surprise that you see a lot of them around the area and that they shop at the Salvation Army – did you expect them to congregate around Holt Renfrew on Bloor?

    Moreover, even if these people wanted to work, they couldn’t, courtesy of gov’t rules and if the gov’t allowed it, what jobs did you have in mind for people who don’t speak English, have no education and have more children than low income wage earners could possibly support without government assistance?

    I have no “solutions” other than changing our immigration and refugee laws but I do not blame the Roma for taking advantage of the situation because in their place, no doubt I would do the same.

    Not that it’s appealing to be poverty stricken but it’s still a better situation in Toronto than in Europe so if the door was open, I’d go through it. If you would not, than congratulations because you are a much more honourable and better human being than I am.

    BTW, if you stay in the Roncesvalle area, I am sure you know it is in the top ten best Canadian neighbourhood contest, so let’s not get dramatic about how the “gypsies are ruining the area”. It’s still “little Poland” and one of the most desirable places to live in for Toronto’s 25-45 crowd.

    Furthermore if Roma kids are seen “begging” with parents, they won’t be begging very long before they are apprehended by Children’s Aid.

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