June 18th, 2012

Nobel laureate Elie Wiesel rejects state award over commemoration of far-right author (updated)

Nobel-prize winning novelist Elie Wiesel has informed Hungary’s parliamentary speaker that he is repudiating a Hungarian state honour he received in 2004.

In a letter addressed to House Speaker Laszlo Kover and seen by MTI on Monday, the Holocaust-survivor Wiesel criticised the Hungarian government for participating in attempts for the reburial of ethnic Hungarian author Jozsef Nyiro.

“It is with profound dismay and indignation that I learned of your participation, together with Hungarian Secretary of State for Culture Geza Szocs and far-right Jobbik party leader Gabor Vona, in a ceremony in Romania honouring Jozsef Nyiro, a member of the National Socialist Arrow Cross Parliament,” Wiesel said in the letter.

He added that he was outraged that Kover had participated in a ceremony honouring “a fascist ideologue of the [interwar Regent of Hungary Miklos] Horthy and Szalasi regimes”. He said he was also distressed by news that public spaces were being named after Horthy, that Albert Wass and other figures who collaborated heavily with the wartime fascist regime were being rehabilitated and that authors with far-right ideas were included in the Hungarian school curriculum.

Elie Wiesel was presented with the Republic of Hungary’s Order of Merit, Grand Cross, by president Ferenc Madl in 2004.

In May, Nyiro’s reburial was postponed, however, Kover attended a religious commemoration in Romania’s Szekler Land held in honour of the writer. Kover said that the planned reburial of the controversial author and one-time Catholic priest would be “an act of piety”.

Editor’s Note: Below is the letter Wiesel sent. Also note that an earlier version of this story incorrectly identified Wiesel as “Hungarian-born”; Instead, he was born in Transylvania after it was ceded to Romania.

MTI (Magyar Távirati Iroda) is the Hungarian news agency.
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  • Jens Neuwirth

    The only right decision. Hungary is on the fast track to become a country with a n@zi-cult. Everyone who has an IQ over 75 should heavily protest against so much Hungarian stupidity.

  • Leto. مؤدّب

    I’m very glad he saw reason. Elie Wiesel was absolutely unworthy of the Order of Merit of Hungary, so this was the right decision. Well done!

    • justasking

      @Leto,

      It has nothing to do with whether this man was or was not worthy/deserving of the award bestowed upon him.

      He doesn’t want it, insists on returning it, his prerogative…case closed.

      • Leto. مؤدّب

        Yeah, that’s fine. However I’m still glad he took this decision because I think he was absolutely unworthy of the Order of Merit of Hungary. (However I doubt he would be stripped of this honour even if a court ruled he’s an impostor indeed.)

        • justasking

          @Leto,

          ‘However I’m still glad he took this decision because I think he was absolutely unworthy of the Order of Merit of Hungary’

          Yeah truth be told, I’m not familiar with the man, nor his work.

          Good for him, for standing up for something he believes in so passionately.

          I personally? Could care less….next story!

        • Leopold

          @ Leto
          Have you ever read anything by Elie Wiesel? I thought so!
          I know your kind, and I would not even spit or piss on you when you are on fire, fascist!

      • Just Telling

        It probably isn’t as simple as whether he wants to keep the award or not. Seems like he no longer wants to be associated with a government which appears to fan the flames of far-right anti-semitism for its own political gain.

        And as you say, his prerogative what he does and doesn’t want to associate with, case closed.

        • Leto. مؤدّب

          That decoration was given to him by his postcommie buddies in 2004. Thank god, that’s no association with the present government.

          • Just Telling.

            Actually, the decoration was given by Ferenc Mádl, a Fidesz-nominated president

          • Leopold

            Mr. cLETOris obviously isn’t interested in history, facts and culture as it could damage his aura of Fidesz “idiot savant”.

          • Leto. مؤدّب

            He had to present it but it certainly wasn’t Ferenc Mádl’s decision. It was the MSZP-SZDSZ government’s.

    • Leopold

      I pity you, retarded racist. It says a lot about Hungary that people like you are not (yet) imprisoned for hate speech and denial of the Holocaust.

      • Leto. مؤدّب

        @retarded idiot (I don’t pity you, I despise you instead):

        Why do you think I deny the Holocaust?

        • Leopold

          Because you are a complete idiot who does not seem to care about historic facts and does not have any empathy for the suffering of people. Clear enough?

          • Leto. مؤدّب

            Actually it’s you who doesn’t care about historical facts and you’re just spewing your hatred here. And it sounds very much like your hate posts are race-based.

          • Leopold

            Yes, you are completely right, Leto. I have to admit that I hate fascists and nazis and I would prefer to live in a world without this race.

          • Leto. مؤدّب

            I must also admit I hate (post)commie bastards like you. The world would be a so much better place without your lot.

          • Leto. مؤدّب

            Ah, and my empathy for the suffering of people is not selective, unlike yours. You know the Holocaust was just one of the many genocides which occurred in the 20th century. And it wasn’t the biggest one, neither in absolute or relative terms.

    • amazed

      Sounds like he got a free trip out of it, stayed at a nice hotel, took the medal, got rhe dinner and drinks and a few pats on the back for it, took it home, showed his friends, got bored qith it, decided that getting rid of it would help make new friends. So he wieseled out of it

  • ionic

    Wiesel was born in Transylvania in 1928, that is : he is a “Romanian-born” Jew not a “Hungarian-born”.

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      Actually he is “Hungarian-born”. Unfortunately.

  • amazed

    Jens,

    I am happy for you that you are one with the Great Man on this, and, that you have included him in the 75%+ on the bell curve.

  • wolfi

    “NEW YORK — Nobel Peace Prize laureate Elie Wiesel says he’s repudiating a Hungarian award he received in 2004 because top officials from Budapest recently attended a ceremony for a Nazi sympathizer.

    The memorial rite weeks ago offended the 83-year-old Holocaust survivor, whose parents and sister were sent to their deaths by wartime Hungarian officials.”

    Of course it’s only an irrelevant newspaper which reports things like that …

    -http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/apnewsbreak-elie-wiesel-rejects-hungarian-honor-after-rite-for-fascist-ideologue/2012/06/18/gJQApynZlV_story.html

  • true democracy

    Elie’s words should not be taken too seriously, afterall it has been proven by a fellow J*w that he is an imposter.

    • Cnut

      Don’t worry, true democracy. They can’t read your mind while you’re wearing your tin foil hat.

  • true democracy

    If you want to look it up who Eli really is look up what the Auschwitz survivor Miklos(Nikolaus) Gruner says about him

    • spectator

      You still don’t get it, do you?

      It doesn’t matter who said what – including you – the news is that a Nobel laureate rejects a Hungarian state award – rightfully, in my opinion – and the whole world will notice the act.
      Add to this, that his reasoning correct, the Speaker of the Hungarian Parliament indeed participated in a ceremony commemorating an infamous Nazi writer and politician, which is against of present European standards – what do you think, would it give Hungary better status, more respect?

      Mr.Kövér playing with something what he has no means to control, and he doesn’t even aware of it!
      - I sincerely hope, he does not…

  • Dan T.

    I do not think the majority of Hungarians want any associations with Elie Wiesel.

  • Leto. مؤدّب

    I hope he would return the original Order of Merit, not a fake one…
    Besides will he give any money back he may have received with the Order of Merit? Fat chance.

  • én

    Leto is not racist, he just implies that since Mr.Wiezel is not a good christian like all good hungarians should be according to him, he might exchange the medal and keep the money. Leto is not racist or facist, he just forgot to take his pills again!!! and the people in white in the institution where he lives let poor Leto express himself on this website because it’s the only place where he can meet other imbeciles who agree with him without going out of the institution! szegény Magyarorszag!

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      So what makes think this weasel would happily return the money, too?

  • ieijudas

    it is time that not only eli wiesel returns received
    hungarian state honour.
    I call for all jewish,israeli recipients of hungarian
    state-honours (diplomats,scientist,artists,buisness men
    etc .) to return those.
    It will not change the situation though and it will
    for sure be applauded by many in this portal, so be it.

    The situation in Hungary is becoming unbearable for minorities and nothing is being done. Horthy,Nyiro,Wass
    cult will not save Hungary from becoming a paria state
    in europe. Young educated Hungarinas,futureless and disappointed looking for ways to leave,older ones get worried and minorities getting the “deja vu” fear.

    Mr.Orban ,if you want to end like Assad in Syria then it his high time to make good on your promises. Curb the extreme right,fight actively angainst anti-semintismn,anti roma ,anti foreigner excesses,prepare and implement clear legislation against hate speech and crimes. It is high time. The ghost left the bottle .
    Get it back in.

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      “I call for all jewish,israeli recipients of hungarian
      state-honours (diplomats,scientist,artists,buisness men
      etc .) to return those.”

      Good. Together with any money, please. Also please make sure gold is gold and silver is silver in the returned items.

  • Paul

    Any response from the government yet?….No? Such a cowards.

    • justasking

      ‘Any response from the government yet?….No? Such a cowards’

      Other than ‘We’re sorry you feel this way; but, we respect your position’…what else should they say?

      Oh…were you expecting the Hungarian Government to beg this guy to reconsider?

      Wow!!! You were weren’t you?

      • Paul

        “Other than ‘We’re sorry you feel this way; but, we respect your position’…what else should they say?
        Oh…were you expecting the Hungarian Government to beg this guy to reconsider?
        Wow!!! You were weren’t you?”

        No….look I am against this government. I am ashamed that they are part of the EU. I want them out. (I mean the government!!) There is a worldwide storm of newspaper articles about this issue. A response…any response apart from one filled with regrets, apologies…will make the reputation of this government even more negative if possible.

        Quote: “Criticism of judicial, media, banking and religious laws pushed through by the Fidesz Party’s parliamentary supermajority got so “fierce” that Budapest is now a “whipping boy” of the Western media, said Zoltan Kovacs, Hungary’s state secretary for government communication.”

        At least Kovacs is aware of this. This will not go away as fast as you want. In the world opinion this government is a disaster. This cooperation of Fidesz in disgusting neo-Nazi ceremonies will be widely discussed and Fidesz will be regarded as slowly becoming a neo-Nazi party itself.

        • Leto. مؤدّب

          And I am ashed you’re part of the EU. I want you out.
          Now what? :D

          • Paul

            @ Leto
            Sorry to see you ashed. Now what? Now…..we compare Angela Merkel’s comment after Mark Rutte’s visit this week: Relationships between our two countries have never been so good as now, to the article in der Spiegel:

            “Der Spiegel: Orbán has isolated Hungary within the EU with his combative rhetoric, and he has also manoeuvred himself onto the sidelines, to the extent that hardly any of his counterparts want to meet with him at the moment.

            And I guess my wish will come true so much sooner than yours. Practically, my wish is already fulfilled.

            By the way, says Martonyi:

            Hungary has made major progress in the implementation of its foreign policy goals…foreign policy goals???….buuuut… Hardly Any of his Counterparts want to meet Anyone of this Government!

          • Paul

            Being ashed….I looked it up…my god…the worst Freudian slippery ever on this site.

          • Leto. مؤدّب

            This is what I found:

            “To ash is to delete and completely restart an assignment/task in the hopes of improving on the previous body of work.”

            BTW, my mother tongue isn’t English and so far I haven’t had a clue about this meaning. If you found another, a possibly more embarrassing meaning then it’s a lucky straw for you but I won’t know that meaning either.
            It’s a prerequisite to know some meaning in order to have a Freudian slip. (No, not a ‘slippery’.)

        • justasking

          @Paul,

          ‘No….look I am against this government’

          Ya don’t say?
          —–

          ‘I am ashamed that they are part of the EU. I want them out. (I mean the government!!) ‘

          Oh, so what your saying is, you don’t believe in democratically elected Governments being apart of the EU, who’s views don’t fall in line with yours…is that about right?
          ———–

          ‘There is a worldwide storm of newspaper articles about this issue’

          So? There’s also a shitload of negative news-coverage about our Oil Sands. Big deal.

          People will go far and wide, to seek information, that supports their way of thinking. If I had even an iota of interest, I too, could find that same about of articles (Worldwide) that supports this Government wholeheartedly.
          ———

          ‘any response apart from one filled with regrets, apologies…will make the reputation of this government even more negative if possible’

          Isn’t that what I said that you were expecting from them, and are pissed off your not getting?

          This Government is not doing what you and allot of other people pinheads thought they should and would do..have them eating crow and grovelling.

          Gee, do you think you possibly underestimated these guys..or your sides clout?
          ——–

          ‘At least Kovacs is aware of this’

          Everybody and their dog is aware of this Einstein!!! The problem is, you don’t understand WHAT Kovacs was saying. Another case of hearing what you want to hear.

          He’s simply commenting on the attacks towards Hungary regarding those passed Laws…obviously, they got many a peoples nose out of joint. Nowhere does he say that said Laws were a mistake on their end.
          ——-

          ‘ This will not go away as fast as you want’

          I don’t expect it too…until your side starting getting their way again…which, I simply do not see in the immediate future.
          ——

          ‘In the world opinion this government is a disaster’

          No, in YOUR opinion, this Government is a disaster.
          ———–

          Please, allow me to finish this sentence for you…the way you’d really like it to read…

          ‘This cooperation of Fidesz in disgusting n*o-N*zi ceremonies will be widely discussed’ **amongst all us hardcore Stalinist supporters. We will keep bombarding you with propaganda, which will contain half truths…this is our strength.***

          And weakness, if I do say so myself…compliments of the Internet.
          ———

          ‘Fidesz will be regarded as slowly becoming a n*o-N*zi party itself’

          Yeah, I’m sure they’ve been called worse, by better.
          ————-

          • Paul

            @ Justasking
            ‘This cooperation of Fidesz in disgusting n*o-N*zi ceremonies will be widely discussed’ **amongst all us hardcore Stalinist supporters.
            Stalinist supporters??? My grandparents helped the Hungarian refugees in 1956, I would vote for Angela Merkel if I could. …You are intensely stupid aren’t you?

          • justasking

            @Paul,

            ‘My grandparents helped the Hungarian refugees in 1956, I would vote for Angela Merkel if I could’

            What does your Grandfathers kind actions, and Angie, have to do with YOU being a racist Stalinist supporter?
            ————

            ‘You are intensely stupid aren’t you?’

            Is this a trick question?

          • Paul

            Sigh….okay one more time…..someone who votes a christian democrat party is not…Irepeat…NOT a racist stalinst suppporter. I am NOT a racist, nor a stalinist. I would dislike them intensely if they would be around still. Understood?

          • justasking

            @Paul,

            ‘NOT a racist stalinst suppporter’

            You know, it’s okay…lots of people are not ready to come out of the closet just yet…don’t beat yourself up, you just need a little more time. I understand.

            I just want you to know…that I will do my Christian duty and support you .05%, when you’re ready to open that door and walk through it, mijn dierbare zoete racistische Stalinistische supporter te worden!

            God speed!

          • Paul

            @ JA
            You know, it’s okay…lots of people are not ready to come out of the closet just yet…don’t beat yourself up, you just need a little more time. I understand.”"

            That is why I call you intensely stupid. No insult but a conclusion. You are making yourself completely ridiculous right now, but you do not know it.

          • justasking

            @Paul,

            ‘You are making yourself completely ridiculous right now, but you do not know it’

            Shhh, it’s okay…down load on me…I can take it.

            You’re simply going through the first 2, of the 5 steps, towards acceptance… 1) Denial and 2) Anger…
            ———

            Do you know what ‘mocking’ means? :)

          • Paul

            @ JA

            Having a nervous breakdown right now? Sigh…so sorry!

  • Big Fish

    Google: Elie Weisel Fraud
    Enough

    • justasking

      @Big,

      ‘Google: Elie Weisel Fraud’

      Focus…this debate is not about whether the guy deserved the Grand Honor of Merit or not.

      • justasking

        Crap!!!! ‘Grand Cross Order of Merit’ D’oh!!!

  • just wondering

    Gear Spectator,

    Does this nobel laureate’s outrage extend the pals south of the wire?

  • just wondering

    Dear Spectator,

    Does this nobel laureate’s outrage extend the pals south of the wire?

    • spectator

      I wouldn’t know, dear Zs.
      However, it created big enough splash already, and it started to ripple due course, the result all but flattering.

      The really mind blowing part of it, that it was/is an unnecessary and stupid provocation without even a slight chance to gain something, while the common outcry could have been guaranteed in advance. Just what Hungary “needed” in the middle of really important negotiations.
      Of course, – as above all over the site – we can always try to explain away, but why diving into this kind of crap in wain?
      And all this beside the issue, which is bad enough all by itself, as I expressed above.

      A pity, really.

      • justasking

        @Spec,

        Oye!!!!

        I’m didn’t write the post you just responded too!

        • spectator

          A pity, dear!
          You should have ;-)

          Anyway, see you next time!

  • Peter J.

    To ieijudas: You comment on young hungarians all wanting to leave because of your 2 year old government seems hysterical to me. Most came to the UK up to 5 to 6 years ago, not the last 2. They have mostly gone into service jobs, drivers, hospitality, etc. They are often reliable and self-motivated. I’ve heard there were about 400 in Oxford and environs alone. If they have any hostility, it is’nt against your Orban, it’s against the privileges and thievery of the entitled descendents your pre-1990 pols and beaurocrats. Those that survive here longer are not the educated city types (these best stay home)but those with a hardy independent village background.

  • Paul

    As far as I have understood mr. László Kövér did answer Elie Wiesel. Correct me if I am wrong. Any news about that?

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